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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Wheel locked while driving !!!
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:03:59 +-100
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Doug McPherson[SMTP:haystack@netspace.net.au] wrote:
I just went on a 600km trip to the Gippsland Lakes to go sailing (very
enjoyable!).

The car had been parked since the trip. I turned into the driveway across
the road, reversed backward, then put it in first to drive off again.
Loudish bang, car is obviously struggling forward. I stop in the middle of
the road, have a quick look under it, can't see anything.
<cut>
One wheel has obviously locked, since there's a black stripe on the road.

Probably You got some water in the wheel, With newly ajusted brakes, the distance 
between the drum and the shoes are very small. put in a little water, and You get rust that 
binds drum and shoe together. The BANG might come from the rust pulled apart.

Remember always after driving in water, or washing the car, to drive few minutes wiht a 
soft pressure on the brake, they will get hot and dry.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542/

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Texas to Mid Atlantic opportunity
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 07:07:00 EST

Hello All,

I'll be making a run to Texas from the Charlottesville, Virginia area next
week. I'm returning with an empty 20' Pace enclosed car hauler. If you, or
if you know of, anyone that needs a car transported from the Port Arthur,
TX area back to the Mid-Atlantic, this may be a good, very inexpensive,
opportunity.

(return through Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Birmingham, Chattanooga,
Knoxville)

Please respond directly.

Chip Bond
tr4racer@esinet.net

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 23:25:01 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: Abnormal loads

>Richard Marsden wrote

> Other tales from Cambridge including fitting 12+ passengers (?14)
> in the standard hard top + the usual toolkits, jerry can,etc. I understand
> we were followed by the Police, but *I* didn't see them.
> Earlier in the evening I had a Police van give way for me on a narrow
> (lots of parked cars) road.  :-))

>>I once had a rugby team in my 110 (11 seats) + substitute + supporter (16 
>>total)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>>the
>>shoppers as we passed through.

>>Matthew wroteGood thread: A long, slow journey in 1985 from Canberra-Goulbourn- 
Sydney-Hornsby to Newcastle in my S3 swb 2.25 petrol towing a "car trailer"  
loaded with my prize Morris Mini Cooper Mk1. It was dark and v cold and windy 
on the road to Goulbourn when I see some hitchhikers in the gloom... They 
were in uniform with their kitbags, (regulars from the Wagga Army base), with 
weekend leave in Sydney. But as I pulled up.. you guessed it - more half 
frozen field jackets emerged. Now what can you do with 88" and 7 of the 
finest (and coldest) refugees from boot camp? You cram them in with their 
kit. And they mostly sleep, most of the way, complaining of their awkward 
positions and legs etc 'going to sleep'. But it was warm at least. Later we 
reached a Sydney petrol station and parked with other customers beside the 
bowsers under the fluro lights. 'They' all tumbled out and started trying to 
stand upright and get circulation- but the biggest laughs were for the guys 
in the Mini. All the other people stared in disbelief as these sleeping 
beauties were "gently woken" from their dreams and dragged out onto the 
concrete. These 2 were wearing 3 layers of clothing I think, but had managed 
to make the best of it. After some hot pies we loaded up passengers and set 
off again.. Good times. I wish I'd had a videocam.
Cheers - summer is nearly here - Ross
http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~derf/swb/index.html

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:59:46 -500
Subject: Floater

Everyone should know how to float a LR.  If you can't cross the river, 
what good is a LR anyway?  One might as well drive an amphicar.  M

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:02:52 -500
Subject: Ashtray

Ashtray.  How about bungee cording an old coffee can around the 
shift lever.  Always where you need it and functions as an auxillary 
heater!  Mark

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:09:04 -500
Subject: Resuscitation Procedure

OK, the details.  5 balsa logs, 40 cm diameter, 39C brackish 
water, 110 loaded with lab equipment.  Is there a LR factory
resuscitation procedure?  M 

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Date: 07 Nov 96 09:02:22 EST
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: AH & LR Taillight Lense

Further on the subject asked by Mark Gehlhausen, my '63 AH BJ-7 has glass domed
(Beehive shaped) lense held in a rubber gasket lip by a chromed ring, whereas my
'67 109" IIA has the plastic domed lense held in place against a rubber gasket
by two screws. My AH is very stock; the LR--not sure. However , the AH BJ-8 have
the same plastic two screw lense as the my LR. The RN catalog does illustrate
the AH type lenses for clear glass directional lights, Ser II, IIA through 1968,
refering to them as "Beehive shaped glass." Further, James Talor, book The
Land-Rover-A Collector's Guide, illustrates a IIA on page 40 with what looks
like the beehive shaped lenses on the front.

BTW, Mark, are you the same Mark Gehlhausen member of the Midwest AHCA, in the
'80s, and then moved later to Indiana, I think??????  Drop me a private e-mail
note if so. Maybe, the natural move is AH to LR!

Bill Kowalski
(Hinsdale, Illinois)
'67 LR 109" IIA
'63 AH BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R"

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 9:11:18 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Joe.....

Mike Rooth suggests:
On the other hand,with a diesel,plonk the right foot hard down.
The resulting black smoke should get rid of him.He'll either
back off,or die coughing.

Sorry Mike, but on the hills the pedal is floored and huge gobs of black 
smoke are already in the air.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:24:28 -0500
Subject: Re: SS Brake Lines

> How about stainless braided brake lines to replace the flex lines??  Anyone
 know 
> a good source?  Just what the Rover owner who has everything needs :)<<

You can get them from Pegasus Racing  Supplies in Wisconsin.  Phone is 
800-688-6946.  Available either as components or in some stock lengths and 
fittings.  Not sure about what sort of fittings fit our British vehicles 
and changes by model.  Worth getting the catalog since they stock  Girling 
master cylinders, remote reservoirs, Lucas starters, pre-oilers and lots of other neat stuff for 
customizing your vehicles.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:24:06 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Hi-cap sighting

>Saw a blue Ser III hi-cap pickup going through Brunswick Maine on RT 1 on
>Monday.  Anyone know where it came from?  No time to notice the license
>plate, as I was too busy admiring it.
>Ron Franklin

        Yup it was, Owner is from Union Maine, Dr. Miller. He also had a
Dormobile until recently and we are now building him a coil SIII 88 with a
6. Have a good day.
>Bowdoin, Maine, USA
>Monday.  Anyone know where it came from?  No time to notice the license

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:29:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: LR Question

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) wrote:
>At  9:55 AM 11/6/96 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>foot long logs.
>How many angels fit on the head of a pin?
And how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood...

Sorry, had to be said.

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:29:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: riposte

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu> wrote:

>Eric, you are mistakenly assuming I referred to you as a "yahoo" 
>directly, that comment was reserved for other individuals I was 
>discussing in the second part of my post.  

My apologies, Rich.  After reading your post and then my reply I realize that I 
was a little out of line....I guess the "yahoo" label that is thrown around 
(usually rightly) towards other younger SUV owners just gets my blood boiling, 
barring anything resembling a coherent thought pattern on my part.  I fail to 
remember, sometimes, that we're all Rover owners and its the folks that get 
places like the LRNA test track closed that we should be fighting, not each 
other!

I owe you a beer...

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:29:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: SS Brake Lines

On 06 Nov 96, Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>    I is somewhat difficult to find someone that sells braided stainless steel
>lines, that is will to deal with the liability of automobile brakes. 

Hmmm, surprising, considering the other major market for Aeroquip is aircraft 
and its usually the auto mfgs. that won't touch aircraft stuff for fear of 
liability.

The three lines were about $20 - $25 a piece which isn't to much more
>than the genuine ones. They are very tough and since they don't flex like 
rubber
>ones, they help that little amount of braking go a bit further. I think the
>place is still in business, if anyone is interested let me know and I will 
track
>down the number.
>place is still in business, if anyone is interested let me know and I will 
Thanks, Rob, I think I'll look in the phone book for something close by as I'd 
probably have to go to the place anyway to make sure the adaptors are right.  I 
also have a mail order catalog from Racer Wholesale, I'm sure they've got them 
in there, too.

Eric

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:50:32 +0000
Subject: RE: When should one muff one's Rover ?

When it starts talking back to you. Or is that muzzle?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:57:08 -0500
Subject: Re: British (and Scottish) Letters

On  7 Nov 96 at 7:46, Franz Parzefall wrote:

> Peter Hirsch wrote:
 | ...
 | Vienna, Austria
 | Where things are pronounced exactly as written
 Don't beleave him. They're barely able to speak German there. ;-)
 (Not that I claim to be able to speak proper German)
 Cheers,
> Franz

You sure do a great job of speaking English.  I saw this quoted on another 
vehicle list and thought it appropriate here though it has little to do 
with LR's.  
Sign in an Austrian hotel catering to skiers:

Not to perambulate the corridors in the hours of repose in the boots of 
ascension.

I'm sure any attempt by me to speak German would be even more amusing.
Perhaps we should all take ein bischen Deutch in light of the new 
management.

Rgds,
Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Muff
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 09:53:00 PST

Duh...  I just don't want to suffocate my engine.

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, November 06, 1996 6:52 PM
Subject:  Re: Radiator Muff

At  9:35 AM 11/6/96 -0800, Boehme, Doug wrote:

>I have a radiator muff for my D90 and was wondering about when in the
>season they should be attached.
<snip>
>Douglas Boehme
>'95 Red D90 #2767
Ummmm try attaching it when it gets cold.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:00:11 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Tailgate Joe.....

Sorry Mike, but on the hills the pedal is floored and huge gobs of black
>smoke are already in the air.
>Bill Adams

Well,how do you know you're being 'gated then?I cant see bugger all
when mine does that......
Mike
(What the eye doesnt see...might give you a nasty surprise)

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:05:03 +0000
Subject: Re: LR Question

Quoting ericz@cloud9.net, from  7 Nov 96

> And how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck
> wood...

How much oil can a gum-boil boil, if a gum-boil could boil oil?

> Sorry, had to be said.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: When should one muff one's Rover ?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 10:07:00 PST

It WAS talking back to me the other night.  Ooops, that must have been   
the Guinness.  (That would also have to be the only time that I was   
actually in the back of my D90 - my wife had to drive home)

Actually, my radiator muzzle is a carpet remnant. (a nice green color to   
match my red paint :>)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Thursday, November 07, 1996 8:50 AM
Subject:  RE: When should one muff one's Rover ?

When it starts talking back to you. Or is that muzzle?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
trowe@aae.wisc.edu

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 09:11:03 -0600
Subject: Ashtrays

Ron said...

> Both of my series II's have what looks like dealer or factory installed   

> ashtrays on the dash panel.  They are Bakelite and have a removable
> compartment held to the permanently mounted backing plate by spring   
clips.
> Does anyone know if these are options or owner installed afterthoughts?   
 I
> can't find them listed in the options for series I and II.

My '66 has the same thing, right above the oil pressure/temp gauge. Wow.   
To think that came from the factory or dealer - I thought one of the PO's   
added it.

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:13:12 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Radiator Muff

Boehme, Doug wrote:
> Duh...  I just don't want to suffocate my engine.

It is safe to put it on now.  I just took my fan off of my SIII ( I live
in central New York ).
-- 
Michael E. Johnson
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm
johnsonm@rl.af.mil  (work)
johnsonm@borg.com   (play)

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Re ECOFLOW
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 10:42:00 EST

There was a report in New Scientist about these magnetic fuel polarizers. 
The conclusion was that one could just as well tie a dead chicken to your 
manifold if you wanted to improve fuel consumption. At least you could eat 
the chicken when it was done.

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:52:26 -0500
Subject: Sales brouchure-SIIA

If anyone has an original sales brouchure (NADA or other markets) or any
other dealer literature for the SIIA , I would be interested in purchasing at
a reasonable price.... and will consider the unreasonable ones too!  

Any assistance appreciated.

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"
'95 Disco "Great White"

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Re ECOFLOW
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 11:01:00 PST

What about a dog or a cat?  Would that work?  (I've heard that certain   
breeds are magnetically charged.) ;-)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Thursday, November 07, 1996 10:42 AM
Subject:  Re ECOFLOW

There was a report in New Scientist about these magnetic fuel polarizers.   

The conclusion was that one could just as well tie a dead chicken to your   

manifold if you wanted to improve fuel consumption. At least you could   
eat
the chicken when it was done.

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:11:51 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: LR Question

> On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) wrote:

> >How many angels fit on the head of a pin?

According to the Haynes manual there is space for 5 angels on the head
of a pin :-) though I am sure that some of you  have managed 7 or 8?
-- 
adrian redmond

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tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:24:26 +0000
Subject: Re: LR Question

adrian redmond writes:
> > On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) wrote:
> > >How many angels fit on the head of a pin?
> According to the Haynes manual there is space for 5 angels on the head
> of a pin :-) though I am sure that some of you  have managed 7 or 8?

Are we talking gudgeon pins or pin(tles) here?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:26:32 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re2: ECOFLOW

At 10:42 AM 11/7/96 EST, Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> wrote:
:There was a report in New Scientist about these magnetic fuel polarizers.
:The conclusion was that one could just as well tie a dead chicken to your
:manifold if you wanted to improve fuel consumption. At least you could eat
:the chicken when it was done.

                           But why does it have to be dead?
                       ______  /
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:34:14 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: RE: Radiator Muff

At  9:53 AM 11/7/96 -0800, Boehme, Doug wrote:
;
>>I have a radiator muff for my D90 and was wondering about when in the
>>season they should be attached.
;<snip>
>>Douglas Boehme
>>'95 Red D90 #2767
>Ummmm try attaching it when it gets cold.
;
>Duh...  I just don't want to suffocate my engine.
;
As long as you do not block off the carb's air intak you will not sufficate
your engine.  When to put on a muffr depends upon the type of muff you have
and your climate conditions.

If you live in LA, the answer is never.  If you have the kind of muff that
opens, you can keep it on year around,  I think a general rule of thumb is
to put it on when its cold, remove or adjust if the temp goes up.  Assume
that this is something that requires you to use your own judgement.  Just
watch the temp guage and adjust your muff attaching/adjusting practices per
your temp guage.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:35:56 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re2: LR Question

At 05:11 PM 11/7/96 -0800, Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
:>> On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) wrote:
:>> How many angels fit on the head of a pin?
:According to the Haynes manual there is space for 5 angels on the head
:of a pin :-) though I am sure that some of you  have managed 7 or 8?

 My cat is working on the usual nine on the head of his pin, or,
 is it his pinhead?
                       ______
 Michael Carradine    /_/_]__\__                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900         \_________])           Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Muff
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 11:50:00 PST

Since it's a carpet remnant(non-adjustable), I think I'll wait a while.   
 (I'm glad Strawbridge and Clothiers went out of business - I got my   
radiator muzzle for $1)  Maybe I'll paint a LR symbol on it to make it   
look authentic: :)

Thanks to everyone for your input,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
 -----------------------
As long as you do not block off the carb's air intak you will not   
sufficate
your engine.  When to put on a muffr depends upon the type of muff you   
have
and your climate conditions.

If you live in LA, the answer is never.  If you have the kind of muff   
that
opens, you can keep it on year around,  I think a general rule of thumb   
is
to put it on when its cold, remove or adjust if the temp goes up.  Assume
that this is something that requires you to use your own judgement.  Just
watch the temp guage and adjust your muff attaching/adjusting practices   
per
your temp guage.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:57:57 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: NORWAY 1997
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Here's some more concrete ideas about the proposed Norway trip for next
year -

first here's a simple map of Norway -

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/95fact/no.gif
(this is a great site for info about other countries - CIA database!)

I have thought about the last 14 days of July and the first week of
august as possible dates, but nothing is fixed yet!

Perhaps a early to midweek (monday - tuesday?) rendezvous here in
Denmark, to give people time to travel from UK and europe (and hopefully
farther afield)

One day/evening to meet each other, allocate spare seats to foriegn
guests without cars (?), final preparations and briefing, workshop
facilities also available for last minute tuning.

Morning ferry from fredrikshavn to oslo - sea journey about 7 hours. I
will get price info. Maybe we can make a block booking and get a special
price.

Arrive Oslo late afternoon, first camp stop either in oslo or in hamar /
lillehammer area north of Olso.

Next day journey towards Trondheim - great fly fishing possibilities on
the way here! Good opportunites for camp site on way. Maybe a longer
stop in this area.

next two days covering the stretch from Trondheim to Bod� area, MORE
MOUNTAINS, LESS POPULATION the farther north we go.

Continuing to Narvik and Troms� - maybe a stop for a trip around this
beautiful area - Troms� is a wonderful, arctic university town, nice
nature, nice people, good shops, good liesure possibilities. Here could
possibly be a good place to meet some Northern Norwegian LR folks - I
will contact the Norwegian LR club and check this out.

Journey continues north to Hammarfest then north-east to Nordkap - the
northern most point on the scandinavian peninsula, and journey's end for
many a club trip, bikers, land-rovers, hikers, and tourists of many
flavours.

A few days in the northern area - maybe a drive east to vard� and
kirken�s. Close to the finnish, swedish borders, lap country. Good
location for cosy camping and main party celebrations!

Return journey similar in reverse, southwards. Possible alternative
routes for some of the way.

We ought to have some serious off-road day(s) on the trip, I will check
out with the norwegians about good sites for this.

The general plan is to do the round trip in 14 - 16 days, with a weekend
and a bit at each end for everyone to travel to denmark and home again.

There is of course the option of some folks meeting us in Norway - for
example there may be a scottish-norwegian ferry link, which would render
a detour via denmark silly, but for europeans south of the baltic, and
for the UK, denmark is a logical starting point.

I have had four or five people show an interest in the trip - and I have
also contacted the danish LR club and passed the invitation on here -
anyone interested in more details, please e-mail me.

Similarly and other ideas for routes, activities, and fun, are welcome.

-- 
adrian redmond

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tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  7 Nov 96 11:57:58 EST
Subject: Re: LR Question

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:35:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: not sure where this would go in the FAQ or RoverWeb

	http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/lrc.court.1.html

	Makes for some interesting reading though.  Some pretty good
	profit margins on these vehicles.

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:44:08 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: diesel speed muffs tailgaters

My SIIA 109 diesel doesn't smoke at all at 62.5mph (clocked, calibrated and 
verified as top governed speed, no OD, 16 inch tyres) unless going 
down-hill, except if I back-off on the throttle slightly. Since this is my 
usual response to tailgaters, the effect is to blind them just before they 
hit the tow hitch. It's more Darwinian than educational, in my opinion. My 
friend who had just purchased a diesel that had been sitting for several 
years, reported that while driving it home up a long hill (remember the 
movies of destroyers laying smoke-screens?), he was passed by a white 
Porsche convertible (top down of course) with it's wipers going ;)  Muffs: 
when my temp gage refuses to reach normal operating temp, I block about 75% 
of the radiator inlet area for the duration. When the temp gage starts 
exceeding normal temp, I open the grill again.
Cheers

'64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoodi) 465,000 miles on the few remaining 
original parts.
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 12:58:05 -0500
From: Brad F Worls <bworls@ovnet.com>
Subject: Re: SS Brake Lines

Easton et al,
	Please be advised that the braided brake lines are not allowed for on
road use.  I had thought of using these on my '75 Bronco untill I was
told it wouldn't pass inspection.  Kinda dumb as they wear less and are
much stronger than the rubber down lines and steel lines (something like
5000 psi burst) and less likely to be abraised.  Just FYI before you
make the change.
			Brad

bworls@ovnet.com   West Virginia, US

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:42:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Floater

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

> Everyone should know how to float a LR.  If you can't cross the river, 
> what good is a LR anyway?  One might as well drive an amphicar.  M
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

> Everyone should know how to float a LR.  If you can't cross the river, 
> what good is a LR anyway?  One might as well drive an amphicar.  M
This is where the passenger comes into play.  
 send passenger into the body of water to be crossed.  If passenger
comes back with dry hair proceed accross.
if passenger returns with wet hair or fails to return at all 
because of deep or overly swift water extreeme caution should be used

sure hope this helps

Russ W.
never lost a passenger.......yet

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From: Per Thrane <perth@cybernet.dk>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:37:08 +-100

help

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Subject: Re: LR Question
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:46:56 -0500

Alan, 

Long time no hear from, all okay down there ? how is Churchill doing ? 

Did you get that message from Ben about the Bench. 

Mark

----------
> From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> -- 
> No, no, no nononononono.
> It all depends on the size of the pinhead, and the type classification of

> angels that you have to use.
> If you've got one type, then it's fairly simple. American angel
> Subject: Re: LR Question
dimensions are 
> determined by IEEE (Institute of Ethereal Ectoplasmic Engineering) 
> specification, and angel's butts are fairly ridgidly controlled for this.

> Western European angels were similar, as angel exchange technology was 
> standardized during WW II.
> Eastern European angels, on the other hand, have a problem with quality
> Date: Thursday, November 07, 1996 11:57 AM
control 
> on butt sizes due to the lack of source control on the base castings.
Japanese 
> and Asian angels are also fairly rigidly controlled to specification, but
being 
> metric, everythings slightly different from the stock American IEEE size.
> Mixing them on any one pin is a nightmare, requiring charts as to which
> Eastern European angels, on the other hand, have a problem with quality
of what 
> size can coexist.
>     aj"Been a looooooong morning"r
> Eastern European angels, on the other hand, have a problem with quality
> Date: Thursday, November 07, 1996 11:57 AM

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:54:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Re2: ECOFLOW

At 08:26 AM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote:
>:The conclusion was that one could just as well tie a dead chicken to your

>                           But why does it have to be dead?

Live chickens are too noisy.  

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:54:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: LR Question

At 05:11 PM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote:
>According to the Haynes manual there is space for 5 angels on the head
>of a pin :-) though I am sure that some of you  have managed 7 or 8?

You must have the shorter model pin on my LPB (Long Pin Base) model, I can
fit 10 angels comfortably.  

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:05:58 -0600
Subject: re: Highway speeds

Sandy wrote,

> then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the rear attempts   
to
> attatch itself to my trailer hitch and remain there untill either I   
turn
> onto a different route or they do.  At night this is disturbing as the

Since my Iia was not equipped with a reverse light, I've been planning to   
add an aftermarket driving lamp to the rear of my vehicle with a toggle   
on the dash. Someplace nice and high like right below the name badge...

Someone decides to snuggle a little too close (seems like people think we   
make good drafts), flick it on and I think they'll agree that being   
behind you isn't worth it... :-)

But then again, they just might pull out a gun and try and kill you for a   
stunt like that, at least, here in the states, or ar least try to make   
you roll... :-( Someday I'll relay the story of how strong the LR door   
window glass is in repelling the fist of a "victomized motorist"...

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:10:41 -0500
Subject: Re: LR Question

In a message dated 96-11-07 13:48:13 EST, you write:

>Alan, 
>Long time no hear from, all okay down there ? how is Churchill doing ? 

Mark;    

Where have you been?  Hows things?
Steve

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: LR sighting
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 14:21:00 PST

I was watching some show last night of amateur films shot on video   
cameras:

One film showed a hunter driving up in a Range Rover 4.0 or 4.6 (couldn't   
tell).  The hunter went to shoot a deer with his bow and arrow (he was   
out of the RR at this point) and I guess he was too close to the deer   
(n-point buck), because the deer proceeded to kick his ass. (ie stomp him   
into the ground with his front hooves)

I was laughing so hard that I didn't see if the hunter retreated into his   
RR, but I do know that the deer won that fight. :)

(Sorry to all you hunters out there:  everyone has an opinion, and I   
don't agree with hunting, therefore I was rooting for the deer.)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767  

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:39:35 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Angels and Pin-heads

recent claims of more than 7.742225 angels per pin-head are clearly in
contravention of the currect European Union Directive, Article 47, which
clearly states -

"manufacturers and end-users in memberstates may not allocate more than
17% of the semi-spherical cross-section hypersurface of the head of any
metallic pin product, howsoever manufactured, for the posterior
afixation of any single heavenly winged body (also defined colloquially
as "angels" in some countries)."

and article 48 -

"the afixation of standing heavenly winged bodies, pursuant to previous
exceptions to article 47, is henceforward in contravention of said
directive (standing angels are not allowed - butt space allocation quota
is based on sitting angels only)

and article 50 -

"the provisional dispensation for heavenly winged body affixation in
excess of article 47, which was awarded on a trial basis for a
provisional period of one year, to member states where the predominant
indiginous religion is Roman Catholic, is now superseded by a new
regulative, the enablements of which must not exceed the maximum loading
per pin-head as prescribed in the said directive"

Of course whilst one can understand pan-atlantic (US) claims of a higher
angel-butt to pin-head ratio, I would hasten to point out that USA, as a
signatory of the Helsinki Convention, and as a leading member of the
GATT agreements, is bound under international law to abide by this
directive.

Recent claims by US private citizens that the reluation can be
circumscribed by the use of synthetic pin materials, stainless-steel
pinheads, and even the use of taxidermically preserved and restored
angels, do not detract from my point - that 5 angels per pin head is
more than any angel can bear comfortably.

Whether the angels are capable of chucking wood or boiling oil has no
bearing on the subject.

Rumours that a certain west german owned british vehicle manufacturer is
mounting such invisible angels in a similarly invisible silver plated
version on the hood of their vehicles are as yet, unfounded. I have met
several owners of such vehicles who claim to have this option, but I
can't see any angels. (That was the LR content - sorry!)

Hi - it's been a long day here too! Thank god it's nearly friday.

Landroverly greetings!

-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:44:40 -0500
Subject: Re: jason's starter

Jason,
A small electric motor/starter shop will rebuild your Lucas for under $100
(half of a "new" rebuilt )and it will probably only be a one day job.
It should then last you another 30 years.
Make sure all of you contacts and wires are clean before reinstallation.

Also,
my 69 IIa does the same thing gear wise. I also sync via 3rd gear and thought
it was just normal. Let me know if you find out anything differently.
Alex Maiolo
69 IIA
89 Rangie

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:47:28 GMT
From: higgins@easynet.co.uk (Andrew Higgins)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
>Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:34:04 -500
>Subject: Cottage, Garden & More
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>Seriously, Mark
>From higgins@easynet.co.uk (Andrew Higgins)
So far as I can determnine, "garden" tranlstates as "Yard" ie the area
outside the house which is within the confines of your owned land.  Gardens
may contain lawn, flowers, veggies, concrete, soil, abandoned cars, dog
kennels or anything else.  In English, "yard" is a concreted or paved small
area our=tside a small terrced house in an industrial city.  Probably with
an outside loo!

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:51:47 -0500
Subject: Re: SS Brake Lines

FWIW, had braided lines on a Harley.  With the vibration, they acted like a
very aggressive cut file on anything they touched.  Unless you use the teflon
standoffs to route them around things, you may be "cutting off your swivel
balls to spite your brake lines".

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:03:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Part two...

	http:www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/lrc.court.2.html

	Just to be complete...

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:19:02 -0500
Subject: Re: No Subject

In a message dated 96-11-07 09:51:14 EST, you write:

<< Maybe you can induce the Lucas demon to turn on your reverse light  >>

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! 
NO!
Never, EVER summon the demon for your own whim! Haven't you read Faust?!?!? 
Hopefully you haven't awakened him and created a torrent of his wrath among
we the innocent with your mere suggestion!
Now excuse me, I am off to douse the truck in Holy Guinness.

With Goethesque Regards,
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Range Rover

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:24:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Spotted a rover...

A computer hardware manufacturer called Pinnacle Micro is running an ad
for their newest Recordable CD-ROM drive, called the RCD 4X4.  The caption
on the top of the page it "The Ultimate 4x4," and under it...
'
A brand new Rangie.  Gotta love the lip service!
regards,
steve

	_________________________________
	|_______|_______|_______|_______|	"Moose"
	|   ____________    |	   |	\\	'73 III 88"
	|  /  	  |	\   |  	   |	 \\      ________
     	|  |	  |	|   |	   |	  \\    |        |
	|  \______|_____/   |______|_______\\___|________|__
	|___________________|_______________|---------------\
	|  []    []    []   |		    | 0		    |)
	|                   |--]	    |               |		
       _|    /	 OOOOO      |		    |      OOOOO    |__
      |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____|
	   0  OO o 0 o OO			OO o 0 o OO
	       OO  o  OO     "Tread Lightly"     OO  o  OO
              	 OOOOO				   OOOOO
       		           Florida Rover Canvas
	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:30:50 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: NORWAY 1997

Walter C. Swain wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> You've already discovered that I posted some information about your
> Norway 1997 proposal on a western North America Land Rover Owner list,
> and it has stirred up some interest.

Thanks for your comments Walter - yes Norway has a wonderful variety of
terrain, maybe we should allow more time for the trip? I guess it's a
question of seeing how many people want to come, and then taking a
sounding about how long people can be away.

An alternative route up or down would be a great idea - depends of
course on time available. But there are many possibilities.

The idea of pooling seats so that other long-distance LRO's can join in,
share the cost, share the driving, and above all, share the experience
and meet new freinds, would be good. At least that way we'd have a
chance of "being-together" when we are on the road.

Thanks for putting this out on the other list - if anyone else reading
this knows of other lists - especially in europe, where we need contact
with more participants, then please feel free to do so. I think that
such an event needs between 15 and 30 participating cars to be ideal -
what do others think?

I have already offered one of my series III's to a friend in Iceland,
who might be interested, but who would probably not be able to afford to
ship her 88 to norway, as she has just paid a fortune to ship it from
denmark to Iceland! Maybe other northern european LRO's may be able to
help a friend with a spare car? There are also a few places where one
can rent an old LR.

The international aspect is important I feel - this should not be an
event which tries to compete with the otherwise excellent club
activities, but instead offer an interesting, maybe anarchistic, but
still well arranged holiday to all of us across national barriers. That
is one thing I have got out of subscribing to this net - the wealth of
knowing that I am not the only crazy ##### driving a LR which is long
past the scrap-yard age for other cars!

Once we have enough people who have shown interest, so that the idea
seems feasible, we should get together on the net an plan this out. I am
sure that I can put us in contact with danes nd norwegians who can help
plan the route, but there are many other aspects to arrange.

We must also find many ways of having fun - how about a prize for the
car which gets there on the least fuel? or something even more crazy?
Any suggestions welcome.

The more we discuss this project, the more I am interested in making
some sort of tv-film about it - I think LandRovering seems to encompass
some of the internationalism and brotherhood of other organisations like
scouting for instance - crazy - but true?

Keep the ideas flowing in. It will help me if any correspondance on this
is classified under the subject title NORWAY 1997 as i can sort my mail
and ensure that everyone's letters are read!!!!

Landroverly waves!
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:      Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:      Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:34:28 GMT
From: higgins@easynet.co.uk (Andrew Higgins)
Subject: British reg no's

Mark and Annie's reply was excellent.  At the beginnning, the year was Jan
to Jan.  One year, I think it was "D" ran from Jan to Aug and then "E" took
over.  Been Aug-Aug since then.  Dave Russell's memory is nearly right
about county registrations but it's the *second* two letters that signify
geography of first registration eg Cambridgeshire is "FL" as in WFL 696F
(and it still is).

What a lot of chat there is on these pages.  Andrew Higgins (newbie)

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:39:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Part two...

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Dixon Kenner wrote:

> 	http:www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/lrc.court.2.html

	But he forgot a pair of //'s after the http, which confuse some
	that cut and paste url's around (like me when I went to see if
	it looked ok...)

	Dixon

	(See what happens when you run your base system according to the 
	book needed to summon daemons that carries the title Mallificarum
	Sumpta Diabolicite Occularis Singularum, or the Book of Ultimate 
	Control. (note initials <sigh>))  (Keeping with the Faust subject
	matter here...)

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From: "Gary Thomson" <gthomson@mlnetworks.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sound proofing
Date: 	Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:08:47 -0000

> From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
> I would like to lower the noise level from the front end.
> thank you
> Ofir

Ofir,

BJ Acoustics supply front end soundproofing for SWB for =A365.00 sterli=
ng.
This includes  pads for the underbonnet, doors and floor/bulkhead/gearb=
ox
tunnel.  To further reduce the noise levels an engine blanket is also
available for =A347.00 sterling.
Call BJ on ++44-161-627-0837 and welcome overseas orders!

Gary.

'83 Series III SWB.

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:01:22 -0500
Subject: Re: LR Question

On  7 Nov 96 at 10:54, Uncle Roger wrote:

> >According to the Haynes manual there is space for 5 angels on the head
of a pin :-) though I am sure that some of you  have managed 7 or 8?
 You must have the shorter model pin on my LPB (Long Pin Base) model, I can
> fit 10 angels comfortably. 

Try as I might, and in my wildest fantasies I can't picture more than 1 
angel, regardess of LPB or SPB....... 

It must be the change of season causing this.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:41:54 -0500
From: NateDunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: No Subject

RoverNut@aol.com wrote:

> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
> NO!
> Never, EVER summon the demon for your own whim! Haven't you read Faust?!?!?
> Hopefully you haven't awakened him and created a torrent of his wrath among

It may be too late... After fixing my Rover electrics problem, the next
day...
POOF!! My hard drive died and with it my contact the LRO mailing list,
most of my saved lro mailing list helpful notes and many bookmarks.
Joe Lucas heard my comments and punished me, let us hope that others
will be spared
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:40:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Hylomar

When I worked in the aircraft industry in the sixties and seventies we used
Hylomar, it wasmade in the UK by a company called Marston Lubricants, it was
made to a Rolls Royce ( Aero Engines ) specification ( if my over fifty year
old memory serves me correctly )

 Regards  Bill  Leacock

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:45:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: No Subject

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, NateDunsmore wrote:

> > Never, EVER summon the demon for your own whim! Haven't you read Faust?!?!?
> It may be too late... After fixing my Rover electrics problem, the next
> day...

	Get's worse.  Methinks this has something to do with Nigel's 
	disease too.  The green beastie has been coolant challenged
	lately.  Soon after I read Faust, mentioned it to Dale, his
	diesel started to be coolant challenged via the radiator.
	(Best course of action for everyone is to pick up a can of stop
	leak on the way home.  The avalanche has started & its too late for
	the pebbles to vote... (to rip off another source while we are at it.)

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: No Subject
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 16:47:00 PST

I apologize for bringing about the wrath of the evil demon.  He struck me   
down with great and furious anger on a recent morning whereupon he   
claimed the car battery of my wife as if it were his own.  Such action   
caused me to temporarily transfer possession of my D90 to my wife.  I am   
again with my beloved LR.  Hopefully, after such an event, others may be   
spared from his great wrath.

This may be the first reported case of the evil spirit leaving the body   
of a Land Rover and changing planes of existence to that of a Mazda   
Miata.  (Going from a plane of existence providing much room to a plane   
where little room exists.)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

P.S. Hopefully we won't have to use the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to   
exise the demon.

RoverNut@aol.com wrote:

> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
> NO!
> Never, EVER summon the demon for your own whim! Haven't you read   
Faust?!?!?
> Hopefully you haven't awakened him and created a torrent of his wrath   
among
It may be too late... After fixing my Rover electrics problem, the next
day...
POOF!! My hard drive died and with it my contact the LRO mailing list,
most of my saved lro mailing list helpful notes and many bookmarks.
Joe Lucas heard my comments and punished me, let us hope that others
will be spared
 --
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Nifty GPS resource
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 00:53:23 GMT

On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:46:46 +0000, you wrote:

>One thing to bear in mind with GPSs is that I am told that
>some/most/all will suffer from the Millenuim Bug and become
>hopelessy inaccurate as thier clocks pack up? Is this an urban myth
>or not? (I wont be buying one anyway till it just comes as a minimalist
>function on a wristwatch - just position and direction between two =
readings.)

I have been told that the problems lies in the choice of epoch, the
unit of measure, and the number of bits to store it. Some part of the
data coming from the satellite contains the number of weeks since a
certain defined time. The number of bits in this field is such that it
will roll over to zero "soon." If the GPS receiver has no way of
knowing about which decade it is in it may decide to get everything
wrong.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:12:12 -0500
Subject: Subject: Re: highway speed

>then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the rear attempts to
>attatch itself to my trailer hitch and remain there untill either I turn
...
>screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing all
>aspects of land-rover charm and respect?

Man I can't believe some of your responces...  Bright lights, slamming on
brakes... Do you really need to cause a accident?  In Colorado, typically if
someone is fairly close to your but, your moving too slow (but some guys are
just that way).  You should move over into a lane going your speed and be
courtious to a quicker driver.  65 mph in my Series III is starting to push
it, 65 in my twin turbo 300zx is no where near it's prime.  I find if I can't
move over, or if it's not going to do the tailgater any good to get around me
(heavy traffic), I'll lightly apply my brakes (just enough to light them but
not slow down).  Usually, this will have the desired effect.  I'll let him by
whenever I can.  Keep in mind the land-rover is no speed demon, spits up road
debris, leaks oil and other fluids, and is difficult to see around. It's
safer for everyone if the speeder can just get around you.  I let 'em pass
whenever I can.  Also remember there are many "loonies" on the road that will
take a "break scare" seriously and personally...  I know that if someone
flashed a light at me, I'd pull back and put on my brights just to get
even...

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:10:52 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: hydraulic fluid

Hi all - can anybody help with this? If a spec calls for mineral hydraulic fuid 
only, what does this mean? I must confess it is a tractor owner but I offered to 
try and find out.
Oh yes - he's borrowed all my LR catalogues and assorted literature - shouldn't 
be long now ...

Thanks in advance for any info.
Allan.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:51:56 -0500
Subject: Speedo still for sale

I've had some interest, but it's still for sale.
It works fine, it's from a 67IIa and doesn't have the cold start/oil LEDs,
but will still work in place of the ones that do, you just have to move the
lights or do without them.
I'm asking $100 and I'll cover shipping in the US.
Thanks Guys,
Alex Maiolo
69 IIA
89 Range Rover

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 22:04:20 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Floater

>Everyone should know how to float a LR.  If you can't cross the river, 
>what good is a LR anyway?  One might as well drive an amphicar.  M

It just so happens.....

The Amphicar club president lives in my town. This past summer they had
thier national meet..  They had, I think, about a dozen cars show up. Eight
were sea-worthy (if you can call it that) and put on quite a show doing
donuts out in the middle of the local river...

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 22:04:22 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Re2: ECOFLOW

>>:The conclusion was that one could just as well tie a dead chicken to your
>>                           But why does it have to be dead?
>Live chickens are too noisy.  

-
Would never hear all the clucking and squawking over the noise of the 2.25.
I say go for the live chicken.. 

Cheers
Mike

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:36:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Hylomar

> When I worked in the aircraft industry in the sixties and seventies we used
>  Hylomar, it wasmade in the UK by a company called Marston Lubricants, it
was
>  made to a Rolls Royce ( Aero Engines ) specification ( if my over fifty
year
>  old memory serves me correctly )

Still available from RN, etc. Still claims to meet RR specs.

Regards,
David Cockey  

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:39:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Re ECOFLOW

Trevor reports:
> There was a report in New Scientist about these magnetic fuel polarizers. 
>  The conclusion was that one could just as well tie a dead chicken to your 
>  manifold if you wanted to improve fuel consumption. At least you could eat

>  the chicken when it was done.
If you're still a true believer (New Scientist is in the pay of big oil, etc)
go to you local ag supply store and buy a "cow magnet". Very popular in the
'70s. Ecoflow is a good example of the difference in advertising regs between
the UK and US.

Regards,
David Cockey

BTW, is Trevor a "new scientist"

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:59:09 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re4: ECOFLOW

At 10:04 PM 11/7/96 -0500, Mike Loiodice <landrvr@blacdisc.com> wrote:
>>>:The conclusion was that one could just as well tie a dead chicken to your
>>>                           But why does it have to be dead?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Would never hear all the clucking and squawking over the noise of the 2.25.
>I say go for the live chicken.. 

 Fresher!

-Michael

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:05:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: Floater

> >Everyone should know how to float a LR.  If you can't cross the river, 
> >what good is a LR anyway?  One might as well drive an amphicar.  M
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Cheers
> Mike

	Let us not forget the limited production run of the sea-rover!  
It was developed about the same time as the air-rover, if I recall.  
Don't you just love a vehicle with so much utility!

Michael Roberts
Portland (Vernonia), Oregon

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:26:07
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Over the Hill Camel Trophy

Hi All,
 I have been reading about the Camel trophy & all of the fun they have.
I was wondering if there is an over 50 year old driver age group or is all 
the fun only for the young.  I guess you would call it the over the "Hill 
Camel Trophy".  Surely there must be something constuctive that could be 
done.

  Well it is just a thought anyway.

  
Rob Davis_Chicago

Failure is not an option
...........Not on my watch

1971 (88)  Treeweaver
1965 (109SW)  OX
1968 (109 three door)  Dad's toy (only the caretaker)
1960 MGA Coupe
1961 MGA Roadster

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 23:39:03 -0500
From: Tre McCroskey <tmccroskey@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Over the Hill Camel Trophy

Can you run a 6 minute mile???     Camel Trophy is mostly about how fit you
are and how strong you are mentally etc.  

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 23:48:08 -0600
From: hilltop <hilltop@advantage.ca>
Subject: Re: Resuscitation Procedure

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
>  Is there a LR factory resuscitation procedure?

  Don't know about factory. Read a good article on the Camel Trophy race
in Russia (I know, no such country) a few years back. The ground was so
muddy the dozers were getting stuck that came to pull out the Rovers.
So they proceeded to drive up the RIVER! Some nice shots of Landies
driving with their hoods under water and the driver using a snorkel,
etc. Don't know why but the lights where on. Honest.
   Anyway, they flipped a couple over with the current and rocks and
all, drowned =E9m good. So they flipped them back on their wheels, pulled=

the oil pan drain plug and blew the water and oil out the bottom with
compressed air, hosed in new oil and proceeded to drive them!
   Ecological tread lightly stuff aside (Ducks Unlimited had yet to
establish a Soviet chapter, lucky for them) a pretty nifty trick.
   Honest. :-I (straight face)                 Ronald

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:47:22 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Angels and Pin-heads

>recent claims of more than 7.742225 angels per pin-head are clearly in
>contravention of the currect European Union Directive, Article 47, which
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 66 lines)]
>"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
>---------------------------------------------------

 Adrian, you need another hobby.

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 14:01:26 +0800
From: James Mercer <james@mips.cs.murdoch.edu.au>
Subject: Dead Luminition?

Hi All,

Well, the S2a died last night, I am not sure whether
my Lunimition system is shot, or whether it is just
a case of Lucas strikes again.

I was driving along happily and then the car just died and 
coasted to a stop.  

Basically I have run out of spark.  More specifically, the 
coil is sparking OK, but the spark isn't making it across 
the rotor to the leads.  The rotor, leads and distributor 
cap were replaced about 1500 miles ago.

I haven't been able to probe around with a multimeter yet to 
see if it something as simple as a broken wire, but I just 
wanted to see if this is an obvious case of luminition failure.

Does this sound like the death of Luminition for my car?
or is something more sinister lurking in the electrics of
the beast?

I think that I will get it home by dropping in a set of points
and a condenser (Sp?), and then worry about finding out if my 
Luminition will work again.

Later,
james.

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:16:21 -0800
From: rogers@batnet.com (Jeffrey A. Rogers)
Subject: NAS D90: mounting winch w/ front protection plate

Has anyone had any experience mounting a front protection plate in
conjunction with a Rover's North low profile winch kit (Warn 9) on a NAS
D90? The protection plate I've had my eye on mounts to the same place the
winch mounts and at first glance, doesn't appear to fit with the winch. The
Rover's North representative couldn't tell me if the two accessories were
compatible, yet I see plenty of D90's fitted with both. Any advice,
pictures, etc. would be appriciated.

Thanks!

Jeff Rogers

#=====#
|___|__\___
| _ |  |_ |}
"(_)""""(_)"
'95 NAS D90

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: British (and Scottish) Letters
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:04:41 +0100 (MET)

Ron writes:
|  | Vienna, Austria
|  | Where things are pronounced exactly as written
|  Don't believe him. They're barely able to speak German there. ;-)
|  (Not that I claim to be able to speak proper German)
| You sure do a great job of speaking English. 
Thanks, but what I meant was, neither the Austrian nor the Bavarian
speak 'proper' German. And since I native Bavarian ...

cu.
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de

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From: Joost Kramer <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: The anwer
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 10:01:40 +0100 (UCT)

> How much oil can a gum-boil boil, if a gum-boil could boil oil?
A gum-boil can boil no amount of oil, since a gum-boil can't boil 
oil. 

JK

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:03:45 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Floater

>Russ W.
>never lost a passenger.......yet
Aw,come on,Russ,dogs dont count......:-)

Mike Rooth

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:33:49 +0000
Subject: Re: highway speed

>> The problem then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the
>> rear attempts to attatch itself to my trailer hitch and remain
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>(my 109 has no crumple zone and a solid rear end - most modern cars
>have soft front ends...)

Doing this with a left footed touch on the brkae lights usuallyt 
scares them shitless as they sudddenly see this huge girder and 
towball getting VERY close........If they are too stupid for this a 
proper jab on teh anchors (left foot folowed by immediate 
accellleration) usually emphasises the problem to em. The REALLY 
stupid ones (the majority in West Wales>:-[     ) you simply slow right 
donw (and down and down)until they're forrced to overtake. 
If you plan your timimng right - like 
round a 3 mile series of blind bends or with lots of oncomiong 
traffic, you can trewat am to many ulcer-bubbling minutes of burning 
thier clutch foowing you as you idle aong in low first.........

Tailfgaters should NEVER be toleratd cos they convert a simple 
accident avoiding braking manouever into a CERTAIN accident >:-[

Do whatever it takes but NEVER put up with any dickhead following at 
less than 2 seconds gap. In West Wales, one second is normal and 1/2 
second common >:-[    Worst drivers I've ever seen anywhere >:-[

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:33:50 +0000
Subject:  Re: LR Question

>>How many logs does it take to float a Land-Rover?
>>Mark
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>logs than 1 foot long logs.
>How many angels fit on the head of a pin?

Get two BIG identical tanks. Place the LR in one tank on the end of 
a large, uniform plank with a frictionless fulcrum at the exact 
centre. Place aother tank at eactly the same distance from the 
fulcrum. Now fill this tank with water until the plank balanced 
exactly horizontal as judged by precision spirit level.

Now accurately guess how many logs it would need to displace exactly 
this much water.

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:33:50 +0000
Subject: RE: LR Chefs

>Turn adversity to your advantage!  Just think of dogs as free meat. 
>Use your Land Rover to harvest free food from the roads.  E-mail me
>privately for a wonderful old Vietnamese recipe for roast dog.

I have fitted the LR Dogbar to prevent damage to my steering rods. 
Good for sheep too and sheep taste better.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: highway speed
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 9:48:33 GMT

> accident avoiding braking manouever into a CERTAIN accident >:-[
> Do whatever it takes but NEVER put up with any dickhead following at 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> less than 2 seconds gap. In West Wales, one second is normal and 1/2 
> second common >:-[    Worst drivers I've ever seen anywhere >:-[

Possible sticker:   "My chassis eats tailgaters for breakfast" or something
similar?

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: hydraulic fluid
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:24:37 +-100
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Allan Smith[SMTP:smitha@candw.lc] wrote:

If a spec calls for mineral hydraulic fuid 
only, what does this mean? 

I think it means that You  must NEVER use that
modern syntetic stuff. Maybe the sealings or 
pressure hoses do not like it.

Best regards

Bent Boehlers
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542/

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