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1 Allan Smith [smitha@cand15LROI contact
2 Adrian Redmond [channel627Re: British Reg. Letters
3 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M48Re: Land Rover speed
4 Adrian Redmond [channel627Re: A Puzzlement...
5 "Geoffrey Said" [Geoffre9Re:Landrover speed
6 "Gary Thomson" [gthomson23Re: @Highway Speed? and Watneys?
7 "Gary Thomson" [gthomson25Re: Sound proofing
8 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D12Re Richard Ex Gurkha and gassy smells
9 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us18DC Rover owners unite !
10 "Gary Thomson" [gthomson12Re: Sound proofing
11 "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@14Land Rover sighting
12 ericz@cloud9.net 17Re: @Highway Speed?
13 "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@13Radiator Muff
14 twakeman@scruznet.com (T25Re: Sound proofing
15 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r32The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
16 "Mark Gehlhausen" [Gehl@8LR Question
17 Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa27Shake, rattle and roll....
18 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u18Re: Shake, rattle and roll....
19 "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu22Racing Landies (was: Re: Shake, rattle and roll....)
20 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M11Re: Racing Landies (was: Re: Shake, rattle and roll....)
21 scooper@scooper.seanet.c13highway speed
22 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us26When should one muff one's Rover ?
23 "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu24Re: highway speed
24 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M16Re: highway speed
25 jimallen@onlinecol.com 32Bowie "Test Site" is Off-Limits!
26 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@NR14Re: highway speed
27 Adrian Redmond [channel649Re: highway speed
28 Sanna@aol.com 25Re: Land Rover speed
29 "Christopher H. Dow" [do23Re: highway speed
30 "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@37RE: highway speed
31 "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@41RE: When should one muff one's Rover ?
32 NateDunsmore [dunsmo19@u16Re: DC Rover owners unite !
33 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r36Reg plates
34 Brad F Worls [bworls@ovn30FYI
35 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D17Land Rover Speed
36 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D16SS Brake Lines
37 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 17LR Chefs
38 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 17LR Chefs Rotisserie
39 David_R@mindspring.com (76Re: A Puzzlement...(long)
40 "Ron Franklin" [oldhaven13Hi-cap sighting
41 "Ron Franklin" [oldhaven25Re: A Puzzlement...(long)
42 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@NR16Re: LR Chefs Rotisserie
43 lopezba@atnet.at 34Re: British (and Scottish) Letters
44 lopezba@atnet.at 22Re: SI wings
45 "William L. Leacock" [wl8LRW
46 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett36FW: Another Tyre Query
47 "William L. Leacock" [wl12Tail Lights
48 "William L. Leacock" [wl12registration Letters
49 ericz@cloud9.net 16Re: Land Rover speed
50 ericz@cloud9.net 10Re: SS Brake Lines
51 12/4/95 [rsloan@titan.li25riposte
52 Steve Stoneham [stoneham15Re: A Puzzlement...(long)
53 rover@pinn.net (Alexande39Rooth's Remarks
54 Addison [jraddiso@slate.28starter rplcmnt/sticking clutch
55 Wdcockey@aol.com 39SII Ashtray Trivia (was Re: A Puzzlement...(long)
56 Andrew Howton [andrew_ho52Report on Rover outing
57 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr19Re: highway speed
58 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr41Re: highway speed
59 RoverNut@aol.com 20adrian's speedo
60 nahari ofir [ofir_n@park36Re: Racing Landies (was: Re: Shake, rattle and roll....)
61 nahari ofir [ofir_n@park13Re: highway speed
62 nahari ofir [ofir_n@park28Re: A Puzzlement...('60)
63 nahari ofir [ofir_n@park19Re: Sound proofing
64 twakeman@scruznet.com (T18Re: Radiator Muff
65 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi36Re: A Puzzlement...(long)
66 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi10Re: LR Question
67 twakeman@scruznet.com (T19Re: LR Question
68 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+15Re: Radiator Muff
69 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+19Re: LR Question
70 "Hugh Grierson" [Hugh.Gr25Re: Nifty GPS resource
71 Rob Dennis [73363.427@Co36Re: SS Brake Lines
72 rovah@agate.net (John Ca22? About Installing New Door Skins
73 David Place [dplace@mb.s14Re: ESPN/ESPN2 broadcasts
74 Franz Parzefall [franz@m22Re: British (and Scottish) Letters
75 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr16Re: A Puzzlement...(long)
76 bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Boh27RE: LR Chefs
77 haystack@netspace.net.au62Wheel locked while driving !!!
78 bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Boh25RE: When should one muff one's Rover ?
79 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M33Re: Rooth's Remarks


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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:11:40 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: LROI contact

I would be grateful for the address of the US  LROI outlet.
Thanks,
Allan

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:39:10 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: British Reg. Letters

Mr Ian Stuart wrote:
> Quoting Adrian Redmond, from  5 Nov 96
> > I am not sure how many letters there are in the Scottish alphabet
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> We've got 26 letters, just like our southern neigbours (the English).
> However, we don't always pronounce the letters as written, if at all ;-)
So, the english do have something in common with the scots! ;-) Say -
could you be interested in the Norwegian trip which I have been
suggesting?
-- 

adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:39:51 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Land Rover speed

I am seeing all these postings about landrover speeds over 60mph.  My Series 3
>cruises conformtably about 40 mph on the speedo.  My diesel is in great shape
>has lots of pulling power.
>Geoffrey
>Concerned

Dear Concerned,
I shouldnt worry.Everyone knows that humans cannot live at velocities
above that which you mention.Queen Victoria was convinced of this,and
that's good enough for me.All these folk dashing about at excess
velocity are doing themselves no good at all,and cannot possibly
appreciate the beauties of the passing scenery,since it is merely
a blur to them.
However,should you wish to practice the manoevre known as "overtaking",
a refresher course being regrettably necessary for Oily Wadders from
time to time,I suggest you park unobtrusively about lunchtime and
await the passing of a milk float.Any earlier is unsuitable,since
the aforementioned float will be likely to have its batteries in
a totally excessive state of charge,and will,therefore,be liable
to escape.Try it.Its *great* fun,and rattles his empties no end!
Should you be apprehended by The Constabulary for the heinous crime
of "scorching",(choose a carriageway with a suitably low speed
restriction,you will not wish to appear a *total* chump)you will be
able to obtain a tasteful certificate certifying your velocity at the
time,which you will be able to frame,and show your friends.They will
be jealous,beause you will have obtained your certificate at a much
lower cost than them!This is because,apparently,the cost of the
certificate is arrived at by calculating the number of miles per
hour at which you were proceeding,*above* the number displayed on
the quaint sign at the side of the carriageway,which they will
not have seen at all!Due solely,of course,to their excessive velocity.
You will,no doubt,have noticed also that the current theories
concerning overcrowding of the carriageways is total nonsense.
There is at all times,patently *no* vehicle in sight in front.And
none behind,either,although it must be admitted that my researches
into this latter are somewhat,it appears,relative to the amount
of smoke emmitted.I do not understand this,any more than I
currently understand why people who overtake me(on the rare occasions
this happens) seem to have such *dreadful* coughs.Perhaps this is
once again,due to excessive velocity.I think this must be so.

Yours etc,
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:46:37 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...

Christopher H. Dow wrote:
> Mike muses eloquently as usual about the reason for the sorry state of some
> Land Rovers.  I believe my comment about LRs being the only vehicle capable
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
> '65 IIA 88" SW
> '96 Disco SD
May Land Rovers have so many parts which fail, because the whole vehicle
just lasts so much longer. With many passenger cars, the body rusts long
before the parts wear out, with the land-rover it's the opposite, so our
trucks live long enough for parts (after 20 - 3 years!) to wear out.
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:52:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Re:Landrover speed

I have the speedo marking about 5mph less.  Also when I tested it on a rase 
track I achieved about from 55-60mph.

Geoffrey

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From: "Gary Thomson" <gthomson@mlnetworks.co.uk>
Subject: Re: @Highway Speed? and Watneys?
Date: 	Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:48:24 -0000

>        One thing to remember about Land Rovers is their notoriously
> inaccurate speedos.
> Jim

Too true!  My brother was following me down the M61 motorway the other day,
and I was doing 55mph in my '83 Series III SWB.  When I stopped for fuel he
told me I'd been doing a gnats whisker below 65mph!  That was the reading
from my '96 Vectra.  I was pleasantly surprised to say the least as the
2.25 diesel will manage an indicated  65mph!

Gary.  U.K.
1983 Series III SWB.

Re. Watneys.

Generally the contents of the drip tray end's up in the Watneys Barrel!  I
presume it's a vain attempt to provide *some* flavour!

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From: "Gary Thomson" <gthomson@mlnetworks.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sound proofing
Date: 	Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:55:28 -0000

> Mauro,
> You're in luck - but then maybe not - check the article in the September 
> Land Rover Wner International Page 150 where they fit a BJ Acoustic kit
into 
> a turbo diesel 90 SW.
> If  you can't find a copy of the article, send me a fax number and I will

> fax a copy over to you.
> Ron
> Land Rover Wner International Page 150 where they fit a BJ Acoustic kit
Mauro,

You're in more luck!  BJ Acoustics is literally 2 mins walk around the
corner from here (I'm at work in Chadderton, Oldham)  If you or anyone else
has any queries regarding their products, let me know ASAP as I'll be
calling in there sometime next week.

Gary.
1983 Series III SWB.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Re Richard Ex Gurkha and gassy smells
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 08:07:00 EST

As posted recently, I found the Weber very sensitive to excessive fuel 
pressure. I am using an electric pump and static pressure at the carb was 
over 5psi. It used to leak and smell bad all the time and there was a tarry 
deposit all round the flange. I've added a return to tank line and fuel 
pressure is now between 1 and 1.5 psi. No more smells, no more tar and no 
more stalling on hot starts. 

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 9:02:51 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: DC Rover owners unite !

OK I tried to get this out to the *known* DC area 90 wt dispersal unit 
owners, but only one response so far...so it goes to the list for those 
for whom I have blown away email addresses.
I want to get us together this weekend for an off-roading jaunt to the 
LRNA track in Bowie. I need to know who can go on which day so as to get 
a consensus and a quorum and a proper gaggle assembled. Please call me at 
home 301-949-9475
or send me an email. Mike T, are you there?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: "Gary Thomson" <gthomson@mlnetworks.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sound proofing
Date: 	Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:21:28 -0000

Does anyone have any experience of that strange product ECOFLOW?  You know,
the gadget that appears to clamp onto a fuel line and claims to improve
fuel efficiency and emissions.  Does it work?  Are the claims true?

Gary.  (In fear of starting another thread like 'Re: FWH'!)
'83 Series III SWB.

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: Land Rover sighting
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 09:33:00 PST

I was watching Marked for Death with Steven Segal last night, and when   
they arrived in Jamaica, they drove around town in a Ser III 109".   
 (Slate blue in color)

(Someone has probably already sighted this one, but what the heck...)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767  

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:36:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: @Highway Speed?

On 5 Nov 1996, jimallen@onlinecol.com wrote:
>Eric-

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>inaccurate speedos.
>Jim

True, although I seem to have an anomoly of nature...mine is accurate +/- 5%.  
Tested with radar from the local police (don't ask).

Eric

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: Radiator Muff
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 09:35:00 PST

I have a radiator muff for my D90 and was wondering about when in the   
season they should be attached.  (I rode around in someone's D90 last   
winter and he had a radiator muff.  It made a big difference in the   
engine warming up faster, hence better heat inside...)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767  

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 06:39:03 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Sound proofing

At  2:21 PM 11/6/96 +0000, Gary Thomson wrote:
>Does anyone have any experience of that strange product ECOFLOW?  You know,
>the gadget that appears to clamp onto a fuel line and claims to improve
>fuel efficiency and emissions.  Does it work?  Are the claims true?

If it did and if it were, don't you think every car would come standard
with them, that every cab would have one fitted along with every commercial
car of lorry on the road?

Go ask you local cab or lorry driver if his car has one.  The device
probably saves fuel by being a partial obstruction to fuel flow.  You may
lose a few dozen HP and get a little better milage if the device is set to
max economy.

I assume thet the manufacturer and marketeers of this product are distant
relatives of P. T. Barnum

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:49:57 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

*** Resending note of 04/11/96 22:41
|Steve Reddock lives to tell of it....
|>My V6 (2.8 from a Granada) lightweight did 100 MPH. It's not something
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
|>that I would like to sit at for too long as it was a little noisy.
|Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa........thunk

Let me guess, laughing your head off??

|Were you being towed at the time??

NO!  That would have been illegal & dangerous.

|Did you have to change your shorts afterwards??

I was OK, the passenger seemed alright, just a little surprised
as his IIa doesn't get over 70 that often.

100 doesn't even seem fast on the bike...  It's rather more
common then than the LR though, I only did it once on the LR,
I did see 90 fairly often.  There aren't many days when I come
to work without exceeding 100 on the bike. =8-)

I've only been stopped once for speeding as well, and that was only
80 on a dual carriageway (70 limit)!

Have fun, Steve

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:55:31 -500
Subject: LR Question

How many logs does it take to float a Land-Rover?
Mark

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:09:29 +0200
From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield - System Manager (SERCO) X492)
Subject: Shake, rattle and roll....

Hi All

re: Chained again
Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk> said

> with the diff unlocked the thing tends to understeer, but with the diff locked
> it oversteers like a sportscar

Formula - One landies ? Well, I suppose they _do_ have truck racing !! :-)

I can see it now, the Le Mans 24 hour endurance race...

1) Halfshafts ripping apart on the starting grid.
2) Fuel bills that would make an Arab Oil Sheik tremble.
3) 1/2 hour Pit Stops to replace all four wheels with a wobbly Hi-Lift.
4) Oil slicks on the bends that would put James Bond to shame.

It's been a long day....
Cheers,

Paul.
 

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Shake, rattle and roll....
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 15:27:19 GMT

> re: Chained again
> Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk> said
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> 3) 1/2 hour Pit Stops to replace all four wheels with a wobbly Hi-Lift.
> 4) Oil slicks on the bends that would put James Bond to shame.
> It's been a long day....

I'd thought about this before (!)
I think we'd be surprised by the result...
(a "proper" Landie in a F1 race)

R.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:25:59 +0000
Subject: Racing Landies (was: Re: Shake, rattle and roll....)

Quoting Paul Wakefield - System Manag, from  6 Nov 96

> Formula - One landies ? Well, I suppose they _do_ have truck racing !!
> :-)
'Scuze me laddie!

There were several 90s in the Perth Scottish Rally championship!

They may have been an hour slower than Mr Evans or Ms Aitkin-Walker, but 
they don't half shift when pushed!

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:06:14 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Racing Landies (was: Re: Shake, rattle and roll....)

>They may have been an hour slower than Mr Evans or Ms Aitkin-Walker, but
>they don't half shift when pushed!

How do they do with the engines running?

Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:35:08 -0800 (PST)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: highway speed

Do you series drivers get "dirty looks" on the highways?  With the exception
of long steep grades, I can maintain the legal posted speeds.  The problem
then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the rear attempts to
attatch itself to my trailer hitch and remain there untill either I turn
onto a different route or they do.  At night this is disturbing as the
constant glare of their bright lights can bring on a headache faster than a
screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing all
aspects of land-rover charm and respect? J.C.  1969 11a

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 11:43:18 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: When should one muff one's Rover ?

Doug B. asks about the proper time to add the muff. 
I have consulted a number of sources on this issue.
The  Farmer's Almanac states that the month of december (wherein winter 
commences) will be generally above average in temperature in eastern PA. 
The National Weather Service will not predict as specifically and will 
only project 5 days into the future. Winter begins, meteorologically 
speaking, on Dec. 21 at 9:06 a.m. EST. The Winter Solstice (coudn't find 
the date for this) is generally considered a time for many cabalistic and 
secular rites (do a web search and you'll see).
Taking all this into consideration, it would seem that late december 
would be a good time, at least in the Philadelphia area.
Any earlier would probably infer some kind of show-offishness, as in *I'm 
really just checking to see if you've picked up on the fact that I have 
an official Land Rover muff on my truck* when the ambient temperature is 
hovering in the 60's.
In life, timing is everything.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:46:57 +0000
Subject: Re: highway speed

Quoting Sandy Cooper, from  6 Nov 96

> The problem then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the rear
> attempts to attatch itself to my trailer hitch and remain there untill
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> headache faster than a screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of
> disposal, utilizing all aspects of land-rover charm and respect?

My technique is to ease *off* the accelerator!

(my 109 has no crumple zone and a solid rear end - most modern cars have 
soft front ends...)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:59:19 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: highway speed

  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing all
>aspects of land-rover charm and respect? J.C.  1969 11a
Take the left foot off the clutch(or wherever you happen to be
keeping it at the time)and place it lightly on the brake.Just
enough to bring the brake lights on,but not enough to actually
brake.
On the other hand,with a diesel,plonk the right foot hard down.
The resulting black smoke should get rid of him.He'll either
back off,or die coughing.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:02:15 -0700
Subject: Bowie "Test Site" is Off-Limits!

 Bill Adams and anyone else contemplating usingthe LRNA "Test Track",

        With regards to your trip to the test track, I have some friendly
advice for you. To put it bluntly, the place is off limits and LRNA is
getting pissed about all the people using it without permission. Very soon
there will be a fence up and the local Sheriff has been assigned to patrol
the area and bust chops when he catches someone.
        No doubt you guys are resposible 'wheelers but the beer-fisted
types have done a good job of screwing up the trail, dumping trash,leaving
burned car carcasses and exhibiting all the other deviant behavior that
gives our sport a bad name. LRNA is extremely concerned about their
liability if one of these bozos gets hurt. Hence, they're closing it off.
        As many of you know, I work part-time for LRNA as a Driving
Instructor. I was recently talking with the person in charge of the track,
Bob Burns (my boss), and mentioned the traffic it was getting on the net.
This was casual conversation, mind you - as far as I knew at the time, the
place was open to all. Well I found out differently. In very blunt terms.
        My suggestion is to bag any ideas about freelance use of the place
and contact Bob Burns about official permission (301)731-8164. He's an
approchable guy and reasonable, though he does have to follow corporate
policy (if there is any on this matter). He could say no. He might also say
yes.
        Don't kill the messenger here, I'm trying to pass along some advice
to save you and LRNA som hassle.

Jim

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:07:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: highway speed

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Sandy Cooper wrote:

> screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing all
> aspects of land-rover charm and respect? J.C.  1969 11a

	Rear fog lamps.  If they have half a brain they will realise that
	if they desire to attempt rape on the poor landie, that the pintle
	hook back there is going to make a nice impression upon themselves
	too.

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 18:23:29 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: highway speed

Mr Ian Stuart wrote:
> Quoting Sandy Cooper, from  6 Nov 96
> > The problem then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the rear
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>  <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
> However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.
Know what you mean there Ian - my wife was driving the 88 last year,
pulled over to the centre of the road to turn left across oncoming
traffic, and braked to wait for a chance to cross, behind her a ford
fiasco or similar pass-vehicle drove right into the back end of the 88.

Fiasco drops nose when braking like a fight jet landing, so it ploughed
under the back end, writing of the entire fiasco, which crumpled up so
that the transverse motor ended up towards the back seat, and the driver
was lucky to lift legs up in time! Fiasco total write-off - LR88,
sustained a small scratch on the rear door bottom (I think it was the
fiasco antenna that did that) and bent exhaust pipe up agains tyre - we
straightened that out buy putting a broomstick up the exhaust and
bending it straight again.

Cost for fiasco repairs - about 125,000 kr (£13,000) (write off)
Cost for LR 88 repairs  - one tablespoonful of green paint, one 			 
broomhandle (used)

Apart from giving Hanne a whiplash injury to the neck, which took a
month or two to subside, this was a lucky, even humourous event, which
just went top prove that the money spent on keeping the 88 on the road,
is little compared to the cost of bodywork to a standard
crumple-it-yourself saloon.

Im not exactly sure that it was a Ford Fiasco, could have been a
Mundano!
-- 
adrian redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:20:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover speed

>I am seeing all these postings about landrover speeds over 60mph.  My 
>Series 3 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>I run on 16" rims and I think the truck was used extensively offroad.
>Has anyone any comments?

Yes - My IIa is comfortable in the 45-55 mph range.  It'll go faster, 
I've had it over 70 (downhill, tailwind), but it sure doesn't feel safe.  

At speed it always reminded me of an old b&w WWII movie:  the B17 
struggles for altitute accross the channel..  two engines out and one on 
fire..  the tail's been shot away.  The pilot fighting the shuttering 
wheel as the wind howls through holes in the canopy..  and up ahead... 
the cliffs of Dover.  C'mon baby..  hold together.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:19:10 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: highway speed

At 08:35 AM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Do you series drivers get "dirty looks" on the highways?  With the exception
>of long steep grades, I can maintain the legal posted speeds.  The problem
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing all
>aspects of land-rover charm and respect? J.C.  1969 11a

I can't tell if I get dirty looks, as it's hard for me to focus on
something that close when I'm rattling that much.  I can rarely tell the
make of the vehicle tailgating me, as the rear-view mirror is vibrating too
much.  As far as tailgating, I've installed the LR work lamp, with an
internal switch, and have aimed it such that nighttime tailgaters would do
well to stay off my butt, lest I blind them with it.  I'll let you know how
the first cop that I do that to takes it  ;-).

C
'65 SIIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: highway speed
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 11:55:00 PST

I don't know about you, but I've installed Hella Vision Plus headlamps,   
and I put them on high beam when they get in front of me.  (Just to piss   
them off for tailgating...fortunately, I only get tailgaters at rush   
hour)

Of course, since it is a Land Rover and it does leak oil, couldn't you   
get the oil to leak on their car?  (Sort of a James Bond approach.)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

BTW, I get dirty looks and I drive a D90.  I usually drive at 65mph on   
the highway and apparently it's too slow for the Mario Andrettis of this   
world.

P.S. Maybe you can induce the Lucas demon to turn on your reverse light   
and scare the driver behind you.  (Unless the dark lord has better things   
to do...)
 -----------------------------------
Do you series drivers get "dirty looks" on the highways?  With the   
exception
of long steep grades, I can maintain the legal posted speeds.  The   
problem
then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the rear attempts to
attatch itself to my trailer hitch and remain there untill either I turn
onto a different route or they do.  At night this is disturbing as the
constant glare of their bright lights can bring on a headache faster than   
a
screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing   
all
aspects of land-rover charm and respect? J.C.  1969 11a

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: When should one muff one's Rover ?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 12:13:00 PST

Hee, hee, hee...

That was pretty good. :)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

P.S. I stopped this morning to help a Green 95 RR on I476 this morning,   
but nobody was inside.  Anyone on the
list?

 ---------------------------
Doug B. asks about the proper time to add the muff.
I have consulted a number of sources on this issue.
The  Farmer's Almanac states that the month of december (wherein winter
commences) will be generally above average in temperature in eastern PA.
The National Weather Service will not predict as specifically and will
only project 5 days into the future. Winter begins, meteorologically
speaking, on Dec. 21 at 9:06 a.m. EST. The Winter Solstice (coudn't find
the date for this) is generally considered a time for many cabalistic and   

secular rites (do a web search and you'll see).
Taking all this into consideration, it would seem that late december
would be a good time, at least in the Philadelphia area.
Any earlier would probably infer some kind of show-offishness, as in *I'm   

really just checking to see if you've picked up on the fact that I have
an official Land Rover muff on my truck* when the ambient temperature is
hovering in the 60's.
In life, timing is everything.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:08:44 -0500
From: NateDunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: DC Rover owners unite !

Adams, Bill wrote:

Hey Bill, 
Sorry not to get back to your earlier post, I killed my hard drive and
have been down a day or so.

Can't make it to Bowie this weekend, my son and I are draining and
refilling the engine and transmission on his new rover and will
(hopefully) attempt to give it life.
-- 
Nate

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:48:37 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Reg plates

The three letters are used to determine the time & place of registration.
Roughly.

The last two letters are the place, the first is a time one.
BUT the numbers are often allocated to garages in blocks so the
time isn't too accurate.

There are some obvious ones, NH is Northhampton, etc.

One exception is VWs these are all registered at VW UK headquaters
which is Milton Keynes.

Ever wondered why all the cars in your area have similar letters?

Also be wary of buying a 3.9 RR or Disco on a G plate with
the letters WAC.  They are all press demonstrators...

LROI published a list of all the letters used by the factory over
the years, there are lots of them.  Each registration office has
several sets of letters to play with.

As for military ones getting Q plates, that only happens if who
ever registers it doesn't dig up the history, or it can't be
found.  My lightweight is a Y reg, but the laws were slacker then.

Have fun, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:08:20 -0500
From: Brad F Worls <bworls@ovnet.com>
Subject: FYI

Hey all,
	Just spotted this, thought it may be of interest to thoes in europe on
the list.

During the second half of February (and early March) 1997, Phish will
return to Europe for a couple weeks of two-set, headline shows in
England, Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, Denmark and the Netherlands.
The final itinerary will be confirmed very soon and the shows will begin
going on sale shortly thereafter. 

  	Phish is a Jazz fusion band from the northeast here in the states.  I
have seen them a couple of times and have quite enjoyed it.  Thought you
might find it enjoyable also.  More info available at...
http://www.phish.net/  or
http://www.phish.com
	both are valid and the .com one is offical.
		For what it's worth.
			Brad

BTW Speaking of having a newer car totaled under an 88 durring a
collision, I had a loady in a Volvo 960 sedan total the front end
including submarining the engine at a stop sign.  I was driving a '75
Ford Bronco.  Damage to the Bronco ... a golf ball sized dent in the
tail gate.  didnt bother to fix it as it added character to an otherwise
bone stock ute.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Land Rover Speed
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 08:26:00 EST

Jim Mallen wrote

"Eric-
       One thing to remember about Land Rovers is their notoriously
inaccurate speedos.
Jim"

I drove Miss Golightly to work today as I'm collecting my "new" Series I 
(Break into huge grin here). At 3500 rpm on the highway, running on 
215/85/15 rubber indicated speed was 65 mph. Estimated actual speed 52 mph. 
It sure seemed like the latter as I got in everyones way!!!

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: SS Brake Lines
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 08:31:00 EST

Mike Kinger wrote "It seems to me I read on this net that stainless is not a 
good tubing to use
as it fatigues at certain points. I'll look back in my note book to see if I
can find anything further. Someone else may have more knowledge."

I believe the problem lies in the flared ends. Annealed SS tubing is fine 
for the lines but work hardens at the flares and develops fatigue cracks if 
the line is not rigidly supported. There are fittings which avoid this 
problem but I don't think they are certified for brake line use. Plus the 
best ones need exotic tools to install them and are very expensive.

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:24:08 -0500
Subject: LR Chefs

Alex Maiolo writes: what about THE DOGS!  They are EVERYWHERE!  Why can't
they just leave me ALONE?!?!?!?!  They wants me precious chicken....

Alex:

Turn adversity to your advantage!  Just think of dogs as free meat.  Use
your Land Rover to harvest free food from the roads.  E-mail me privately
for a wonderful old Vietnamese recipe for roast dog.

Paul Donohue
1965 109

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:26:25 -0500
Subject: LR Chefs Rotisserie

Use your Land-Rover hand crank as a rotisserie.  Attach meat to the crank
(with bailing wire).  Lay the crank between the forks of two sticks pushed
into the ground on either side of the fire pit.

Do not forget to first clean the shaft of paint, rust and oils.  Avoid using
your Series II grille for cooking, as the zinc plating can have an adverse
effect on your health.

Bon Appetit,
Paul Donohue
1965 Dormobile (with a real stove in back)

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:31:50 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...(long)

>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:41:11 +0000
>From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>to.Good point.No doubt we all have our individual reasons,insanity
>perhaps being among the most common.

Don't you hear the voices. I hear voices, are you *sure* you don't hear the
voices...

>But its the United States that puzzles me.
>So who *did* buy series
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>pleasure use,even if that sort of pleasure *had* been invented
>at the time.

FWIW: Just rec'd the Brooklands Road Test compilation for Ser. II & IIA

>From a "Mechanix Illustrated" road test of 1958, which took place in
Pennsylvania, "...within 70 miles of New York (City)."

A telling statement about the pleasure of the time"

"A goof the Land Rover shares with the Jeep is the absence of an ashtray.
Ashtrays are perhaps needed more in cars of this type than in any other
because off the road, going through dry timber country, the lack of an
ashtray might make an involuntary firebug out of almost anyone."

"In summing up, the Land Rover is a great vehicle that could be made even
greater with the help of a Comfort Engineer (sic). It'll do anything a Jeep
will do. It is better-built and has more carrying capacity and general
room...At 50 mph it is docile and comfortable.
The Land Rover is a class vehicle from one end to the other,...this Land
Rover might be classified as 'A Rich Man's Jeep.' I'd personally like to
own the big station wagon with the adjustable driver's seat (very important
for this tester--my comments) for field trial work and hunting, as the dogs
would be a lot more comfortable and I could carry a lot more of them to
training sessions. In a few words, this car is capable, gutty and as rugged
as a cement casket."

And from an article by Jim Whipple, 'Workhorse for The Carriage Trade' in
"Car Life" August 1959:

"This is undoubtedly the vehicle that the Marlboro man drives when he's not
striking matches for the Marlboro girl."

"...the LR takes sharp curves smoothly with no sway, very little lean and a
definite feeling of security."

"The LR is clearly a vehicle that could be garaged outdoors for its
lifetime with little or no ill effects."

"What is the LR's place in the American automotive picture? Well, we think
that although somewhat specialized, it's a long way from being limited in
usefullness to cattle ranches...As a vehicle for a single-car family..." it
wasn't recommended.
"However, as a second car for suburban and country families with a lot of
short-trip operation or hunting, camping and fishing expeditions, plus a
need for either a station car to get through no matter what, or a light
pickup truck, the LR would really pay the way.
Although initial cost is fairly high, there is absolutely no style
obsolescence problem and the Land Rover is engineered and built to last for
a long, long time.
Such a promise of usefullness and extended ownership brings us to the
conclusion that it will probably cost you no more to operate this
first-class safari vehicle down on the farm than it would be to buy a used
sedan or pickup every two or three years"

Do you think they were on to something?

I haven't read any further yet, but some of this seems to me like an ad
man's dream.

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:38:40 -0500
Subject: Hi-cap sighting

Saw a blue Ser III hi-cap pickup going through Brunswick Maine on RT 1 on 
Monday.  Anyone know where it came from?  No time to notice the license 
plate, as I was too busy admiring it.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:49:36 -0500
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...(long)

On  6 Nov 96 at 14:31, David Russell wrote:

>From a "Mechanix Illustrated" road test of 1958, 
 A telling statement about the pleasure of the time"
 
 "A goof the Land Rover shares with the Jeep is the absence of an ashtray.
 Ashtrays are perhaps needed more in cars of this type than in any other
 because off the road, going through dry timber country, the lack of an
> ashtray might make an involuntary firebug out of almost anyone."

Both of my series II's have what looks like dealer or factory installed 
ashtrays on the dash panel.  They are Bakelite and have a removable 
compartment held to the permanently mounted backing plate by spring clips.  
Does anyone know if these are options or owner installed afterthoughts?  I 
can't find them listed in the options for series I and II.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:49:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LR Chefs Rotisserie

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:

> Use your Land-Rover hand crank as a rotisserie.  Attach meat to the crank
> (with bailing wire).  Lay the crank between the forks of two sticks pushed
> into the ground on either side of the fire pit.

	A chicken or pig at 600 rpm or so... This would be quite a sight...

	At the Birthday Party we have used a capstan winch, a rear pto winch
	(cable removed, use rope), and rear drum belt pto unit to do
	this in the past.

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:18:57 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: British (and Scottish) Letters

Ian Stuart wrote:

>Quoting Adrian Redmond, from  5 Nov 96
>> I am not sure how many letters there are in the Scottish alphabet
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>We've got 26 letters, just like our southern neigbours (the English).
>However, we don't always pronounce the letters as written, if at all ;-)

Which reminds me: How does one pronounce ghoti?

Simple:

gh as in rough
o as in women
ti as in station

fish

(invented by G. B. Shaw - from Eire)

Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Where things are pronounced exactly as written
                            ^^^^^^^
P.S.: Land-Rover content:
rough
women
station (wagon)

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:18:54 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: SI wings

Jose Trisotti <jtrisott@reuna.cl> wrote:
>Hi All :
>I am rebuilding my new toy , it's a serie I model 1953 . I need some body
>parts as the wings , do you know where can I buy it . 

Jose - the best source for wings that I know of is 
Wadsworth Panels
1 Steele Lane
Barkisland
Halifax
West Yorkshire 
Tel/Fax UK 1422 822 200

A little far from Columbia, I'm afraid...
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:37:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: LRW

Thanks for the tip Tom, saved me 22 pounds ( $35 ) on the LRW subscription
by using the surface mail option.
  Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: FW: Another Tyre Query
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 08:40:00 EST

 ----------
From: Tom Cooper
Subject: Re: Another Tyre Query
Date: Wednesday, 6 November 1996 9:53PM

Beckett, Ron wrote:
> Ian,
> I believe the Olympic Steel Treks 7.50R16 (Aussie made tyre for the rest

of
> the readers) are good.

I've done about 25,000 miles on a set of these on my series IIa LWB.
They are great in mud and sand. They are a little bulgy in the sidewalls
which suggests they might get staked easily ( although this has never
happened to mine )

On gravel roads I tend to run them quite hard 46 front 56 back ( fully
loaded ). This stops the sidewalls getting slashed bits of gravel.

The tyres wear slowly I met a 110 owner who had done 80,000 Km on a set.
Mine are probably 50%  worn ( they have had a hard life ) but they had
some distance on them when I got the car.

The only real problem with them is they are noisy ( they whine ) on
bitumen. But on the whole I reckon they are a good choice if you send a
lot of time on dirt roads/off road.

Tom Cooper Brisbane, Australia

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:54:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Tail Lights

Mark Gelhausen writess re tail lights
The Austin Healey 3000 tail lights in the sixties were the Lucas model 692
which is also listed for the North American 2 a's of the mid to late
sixties. These lights were also used on many other British vehicles of this
era, Rootes group commercails and reliant Scimitars to name but two.

 Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:59:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: registration Letters

David Russel writes re British registration letters.
 Until 1967 the reg year ran thro the calender year. In August 1967 the
letter changed from E to F. E ran from Jan 1 to July 31 1967.
 The letter Q was used to denote vehicles of unknown registration dates, for
example ex military vehicles, home builds, and some imports that did not
have proof of firast registration.
  Bill Leacock

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:14:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover speed

On 6 Nov 96, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 
wrote:

...and locking hubs to take some of the drivetrain drag out of it.

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggghhh!!!!!  Not again....can we please stop bringing up FWH?

They should be as taboo as politics on this list!

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:14:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: SS Brake Lines

How about stainless braided brake lines to replace the flex lines??  Anyone know 
a good source?  Just what the Rover owner who has everything needs :)

Eric

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:27:31 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: riposte

Eric, you are mistakenly assuming I referred to you as a "yahoo" 
directly, that comment was reserved for other individuals I was 
discussing in the second part of my post.  If you would refer to that 
original post you will see that my intent was not to insult you, only 
make some suggestions.  If the tone of my post was insulting, sorry.
I was not there to see the quality of the bank you drove up, I was making 
my comment as a warning to less experienced drivers. Please read it 
again.  My argument still stands against driving up snow banks when you have 
volunteered to deliver hospital personnel, IF you had gotten stuck, 
you STILL would have had to winch out (you mentioned you had a winch) and 
that WOULD have taken some amount of time that I feel would have been better 
served driving.  Of course, my comments were made without full understanding of 
your situation (I wasn't there) and anyway, Mike says you are a 
yahoo.(THAT'S A JOKE, hopefully diffusing the situation)  Again, most of 
my comments were not directed at you specifically, and any criticism was 
not meant to put you on the defensive, it was meant constructively.

regards,
Rich
D90

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:04:42 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...(long)

Ron Franklin wrote:
> On  6 Nov 96 at 14:31, David Russell wrote:
> >From a "Mechanix Illustrated" road test of 1958,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Ron Franklin
> Bowdoin, Maine, USA

My 109 NADA is also equipt with same type of ashtray,looks factory.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:59:59 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rooth's Remarks

>either wholly, or in part, for the state of decrepitude they have assumed 
>today.

Well, for me, there wasn't any PO.  I bought mine new.  And it's still in 
decent condition - except for the O-ring ate up by MTBE fuel additives (take 
*that* Archer-Daniels-Midland and Bob Dole!) and the valves consumed by 
un-leaded petrol.

Anway, the source for a lot of problems can be laid at the feet of the QC 
staff (was there one?) of - as Dixon would say - British phlegm sucking 
Leyland.  Mine was within the first thousand left hand drive Series III's 
built.  Case in point: the clutch slave cylinder has this short length of 
tubing with a remote bleeder so it's easier to bleed the thing.  Some worker 
installed the little pipe, but then fitted another bleed screw right into 
the cylinder!  Duh!  And the mirrors were put on wrong.  They're supposed to 
be attached to the *doors*, not the bulkhead side of the hinge, so whoever 
did it had to swap sides.  Hey, this is something any (ahem) competent 
inspector should have spotted from 100 feet away!  (I tried to change 'em 
back in '74, but by then, they were already firmly rust welded in place.)  

Ol' BL and British industry in general back then was infamous for work 
stoppages and strikes.  That QC was, to paraphrase Ford, "job one 
millionth", is no surprise.  I believe a line from a song of that era sums 
it up: "You can't touch me, I'm part of a union..."  I've always considered 
'67s to be the high water mark of Rover.

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:58:21 -0700 (MST)
From: Addison <jraddiso@slate.Mines.EDU>
Subject: starter rplcmnt/sticking clutch

It looks as if our very own prince of darkness has been kind enough to 
visit. That is, my starter motor has gone out in my '69 88". Is there a 
something else I can/should install besides a rebuilt LUCAS? Is it 
possible to have any local shop rebuild mine?

On a completely different subject; My gearbox doesn't stop spinning when I 
press the clutch. I've bled the clutch and adjusted it so I'm pretty sure 
these aren't the problem. Example: When I come to a stop and attempt to 
put it in first the gears crash. So I put it in 3rd or 4th (as they have 
the synchro) which stops the gears long enough so if I go straight to 
first there is no problem. But if I wait too long the gears begin to spin 
again. I've thought that the pinion bush in the fly wheel may be catching 
or that the clutch plate is not sliding freely. If this is a common 
problem please let me know what is the common cause and common solution. 
Otherwise, what should I suspect besides my own uneducated guesses?

Thanks--

Jason Addison
jraddiso@mines.edu                  ______
                                  /^\     \
Colorado School of Mines-Metallurgy ] : : ]==
Golden, Colorado                  \_/_____/

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:59:20 -0500
Subject: SII Ashtray Trivia (was Re: A Puzzlement...(long)

Ron inquires:
>Both of my series II's have what looks like dealer or factory installed 
>ashtrays on the dash panel.  They are Bakelite and have a removable 
>compartment held to the permanently mounted backing plate by spring clips.  
>Does anyone know if these are options or owner installed afterthoughts?  I 
>can't find them listed in the options for series I and II.

On of our '60 SIIs has an metal ashtray. It is above the instrument panel,
with the bottom of the bracket captured under the instrument panel, and the
top under the top of the bulkhead. The bracket is wide at the top and narrow
at the bottom. Don't know if it is original as the PO smoked and was into
installing accessories, but it looks and fits like genuine LR.

Optional equipment catalog 4705, TP/380A, February 1965 lists w/o
illustrations two ashtrays:

Listed as "except North America" is telescopic ashtray assembly 320576 which
has a seperate mounting bracket attached to dash by 2 screws. The ashtray
itself consists of a holder and a bowl, and holder attaches to the bracket by
3 screws. I don't have this type.

Listed as "North America" is ashtray complete 337985 which uses 3 screws for
fixing. Not other bracket is mentioned. This was a new item.

Opt. equip. cat. RTC 9842CE, Sept. '88 lists a SIIA ashtray which again uses
a dash bracket, and a holder and bowl.

Neither a 1959 US option price list nor a '59 optional equipment for overseas
vehicles list ashtrays. But then they don't list the US installed Kodiak
heater on our SII SW either.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:59:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Howton <andrew_howton@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Report on Rover outing

Hi all out there,  the outing on Sat Nov 2 went very well.  For an area with
no club and little preveous group activity there was an exellent turnout.
We began with 8 Series Rovers;  1 109 5 door Ser IIa, 1 109 2 door Ser III,
1 86in Ser I, 1 88 Ser III, and 4 88 Ser IIa.  A 2.25L D Dropped out at the
start due too an oil presure problem (owner can in another Rover).  The
remaining 7 hit the off road area at about 09:30.  At this time we lost
another Ser II when his driver side hub gave up.

The trail conditions were very interesting.  It was around -2 deg C with
about 10cm of snow.  This area has many LARGE mud holes that had frozen
over.  These proved to be a challenge because some times a rover would break
through when half way across.  This would result in the Rover sitting in
muddy COLD water up to or past the hubs.  The remaining ice trapped the
Rover and prevented any escape.  When this happened to my 109 the ice was
4in thick and a little over hub deep.  There was no chance of movement so
out went the warn 9000 cable, tree only 20ft away.  A minute latter my cable
was 15ft shorter.  I'd never seen this happen before and was rather
suprised.  Fixed the cable and tried a different angle and the Rover came
out no problem.

Around noon the 5 door left to recover the disabled 88 (hub) and five of us
continued.  The weather warmed up a bit and the snow began to melt.  It got
really slick at this point and we had more stucks.  Another Ser II bailed
out at this piont when his clutch began to slip alot.  Then there were four.

Now the remaining group really went looking for trouble.  More winching
pulling etc...  No more brakage?  We then got smart and headed out as the
sun was going down.  On the way out we ran into two guys walking down the
road and stopped to offer a ride.  Turns out they had a Rover that was
really stuck out in the bush.  Myself and two other vehicals turned back the
rescue the hapless Rover.  Turns out the stuck was easy to fix with a winch
but no hope with out.  The fun part was trying to get to where it was in
order to winch it.  Boy a rover can really get into some bad shit before it
stops.  Anyway we got him out and while we were unlocking hubs etc... a
Ranger stopped to talk to us and he said the a towtruck would have cost over
$150 so the unstuck guys decided to buy us dinner in Bragg Creek.

All in all it was a great day and we intend to do it again some time before
next spring if we can get a few Rovers out again.  Hell may be we will even
form a club some day.

I will post the next outing here when we know when it is happening.

        
Andrew Howton
Sparwood, B.C.
(604) 425-0598

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:08:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: highway speed

At 09:19 AM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote:
>much.  As far as tailgating, I've installed the LR work lamp, with an
>internal switch, and have aimed it such that nighttime tailgaters would do
>well to stay off my butt, lest I blind them with it.  I'll let you know how

If you're in need of a new rear end, that combined with liberal application
of the brakes could very well provide one...  8^)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:08:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: highway speed

At 08:35 AM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote:
>then is this: Inevitably a vehicle approaching from the rear attempts to
>attatch itself to my trailer hitch and remain there untill either I turn
...
>screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing all
>aspects of land-rover charm and respect? J.C.  1969 11a

I slow down.  For a couple of reasons:

1)  According to the CA drivers handbook, That's what you're supposed to do.

2)  If they're gonna smash into me (and someone who would tailgate a LR has
*got* to be a reckless/dangerous driver), I want it to be at as slow a speed
as possible for my own safety.

3)  If I need to hit my brakes, being slower allows for more time for the
putz to react (and hit his brakes) -- normally enough time is allotted by
hanging back.)

4)  If I'm in a really pissy mood, or they are extra annoying (like if I
spotted them swinging back and forth across lanes) or they're driving a car
I don't approve of, I may slow down overly fast.  (Did this once to a guy in
a corvette while driving my old Chevy Van -- watched him slam on the brakes,
start fishtailing, and nearly smash into the divider, then zip into the next
lane and proceed to tailgate someone else.  lotsa money, no brains.)

If I were king of the world, I would outlaw airbags and safety belts, and
instead require an 8" spike to be added to the steering wheel, pointed right
at the driver's chest.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:53:00 -0500
Subject: adrian's speedo

Big A~
I hate to tell you this, but it sounds like the speedo is shot. We Range
Rover drivers have accepted the comic burden of frequent speedo replacements
(every 80 k or so) and the symptoms are really similar to what you are
describing.
I think it's due to the internal parts not being able to handle the higher
RPMs of the cable - weak springs or something.

I hope I'm wrong. Good luck!

Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Rangie (with new springs and a custom bushing set for the smooooooove
ride)

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:34:10 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: Racing Landies (was: Re: Shake, rattle and roll....)

At 04:06 PM 11/6/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>They may have been an hour slower than Mr Evans or Ms Aitkin-Walker, but
>>they don't half shift when pushed!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>How do they do with the engines running?
>Mike Rooth
Hi all

Just wanted to tell you that in 1994 there was a Rally in our region.
It's the Pharos Rally (similar to the Paris-Dakar style) .
Well , it was mostly throgh Egypt and the Sinai desert and one "special event"
throgh Israely Negev desert.
It was open to all Israely vehicles that day inc' special built desert
racing prototypes like improved J**ps , with V8 GM and Ford engines.
The track eventually turned out to be harder than expected.
Almost ALL vehicles broke to bits and pices on that day.
The first 3 places were taken by a V8 D90 & 2 88" !!!
The D90 came first and passed the finish line on its rims !!! All flats ,
and got a lot of applause.
The 88" turned over 200m before the finish line ( exitement ?) broght back
to wheels
and finished too.
I can get more details on that events.
(It got some fame because 2 Israely bike riders were lost for some days in
the Sinay
desert. )
I think that was the last Pharos Rally but I'm not sure.
bye

Ofir
Israel

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:34:18 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: highway speed

At 08:35 AM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Do you series drivers get "dirty looks" on the highways?  With the exception
>of long steep grades, I can maintain the legal posted speeds.  The problem
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>screaming overdrive.  What is the usuall method of disposal, utilizing all
>aspects of land-rover charm and respect? J.C.  1969 11a
Just put a switch to your tail Search Light .
A short flash to the back will scare them off.

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:33:52 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...('60)

At 09:48 PM 11/5/96 -0500, you wrote:
>A good question from Mike:
>>And I can hardly see anyone buying,say,an 88" basic hardtop for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 56 lines)]
>David Cockey
>Rochester, Michigan
hi
the small car with the front opens up is probebly
a Zundup ( DKW ?)
a German motorbikes manufacturer which switched to low cost ,feul efficient car
after WW2 .Due to the poor state of Europe.
Also known then was the Messershmidt a 3 wheeler ,opens like a pilots cab.

Have seen both in Israel , very strange looking vehicles.
The Zundupp is built in simple motorcycle tech.
Also had a bike of that make model 1934 190cc 2-stroke with "light" tin frame.
Hand gears on the right and no back springs.
The only "real" car that was made in Israel was the "Sabra" in the 60's .
A FWD sport car with Fiberglass body and Triumph engine. (Only a few left 
most were exported).

bye 
Ofir

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:34:01 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: Sound proofing

At 12:55 PM 11/6/96 -0000, you wrote:
>> Mauro,
>> You're in luck - but then maybe not - check the article in the September 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>Gary.
>1983 Series III SWB.
please do Gary.
I would like to lower the noise level from the front end.
thank you
Ofir
Israel

p.s.
for my 1964 sIIa 88"

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:52:48 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Radiator Muff

At  9:35 AM 11/6/96 -0800, Boehme, Doug wrote:

>I have a radiator muff for my D90 and was wondering about when in the
>season they should be attached.
<snip>
>Douglas Boehme
>'95 Red D90 #2767

Ummmm try attaching it when it gets cold.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:51:22 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...(long)

Ron Franklin sez...

>>"A goof the Land Rover shares with the Jeep is the absence of an ashtray.
.............
>Both of my series II's have what looks like dealer or factory installed 
 ashtrays on the dash panel.  They are Bakelite and have a removable 
 compartment held to the permanently mounted backing plate by spring clips.  
 Does anyone know if these are options or owner installed afterthoughts?  I 
 can't find them listed in the options for series I and II.
-

Ahem... On page 5 of the "Optional Equipment" book for the Serier II and IIA
(Part no. 4437 - revised May 1965) there is a drawing of the ashtray with
the description as follows:

Telescopic ashtray
A telescopic ashtray for fitting to the dash can be supplied.

Yup.. thats it.. and thats all they had to say about it.

Some of the equipment listed as optional is pretty suprising..
-Additional Windscreen wiper - fitted to the passenger side
-Recirculating heater/demister unit (Smiths shin burner)
-Rubber pedal pads (for the brake and clutch)
-Flashing indicator lamps
-Spare wheel carrier on the bonnet
-Mudflaps (front and rear)
-Grommet for propeller shaft (the rubber boot on the front prop shaft)

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:51:24 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: LR Question

>How many logs does it take to float a Land-Rover?
>Mark
-

How big are the logs?

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:03:49 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: LR Question

At  9:55 AM 11/6/96 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

>How many logs does it take to float a Land-Rover?
>Mark
;
Depends.  It takes a lot more iron wood or petrafied logs than balsa logs.
More 6 inch dia logs than 12 foot dia logs.  Fewer 500 foot logs than 1
foot long logs.

How many angels fit on the head of a pin?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:12:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Radiator Muff

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> At  9:35 AM 11/6/96 -0800, Boehme, Doug wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Ummmm try attaching it when it gets cold.
> TeriAnn
Yes, but we must know just how cold is 'just right'.  

Russ W.

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:14:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: LR Question

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Mike Loiodice wrote:

> >How many logs does it take to float a Land-Rover?
> >Mark
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> -
> How big are the logs?
How big is the Rover?  101 FC? 88?   
Hmmmmm this is getting deep.  Wooo funny huh?  Deep.... anyway, why would
one want to float a Rover??  Could be a costly adventure.

Russ W.
67 rhd 88
'The Pig'   

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:34:55 +1300
Subject: Re: Nifty GPS resource

> One thing to bear in mind with GPSs is that I am told that 
> some/most/all will suffer from the Millenuim Bug and become 
> hopelessy inaccurate as thier clocks pack up? Is this an urban myth 
> or not?

Urban myth.

The real story is that the SVs (satellites) signal includes a 10-bit
week number, week 0 being the start of 1980.  This will roll over to
zero in August 1999, and every 19.6 years thence.  Different GPS
receivers will handle this in different ways.  Some might report the
wrong date. Others might not roll over until 19.6 years after the
build date burned into the firmware.  The best will correctly figger
out that time doesn't go backwards. In any case they would still
calculate positions correctly, only the date would be wrong.

-Hugh
-- 
hugh.grierson@trimble.co.nz

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Date: 06 Nov 96 22:48:18 EST
From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: SS Brake Lines

>> How about stainless braided brake lines to replace the flex lines??  Anyone
know 
a good source?  Just what the Rover owner who has everything needs :)<<

Eric,
    I is somewhat difficult to find someone that sells braided stainless steel
lines, that is will to deal with the liability of automobile brakes. I tried
several aeroquip dealers in the Atlanta area, several years ago before I found
one that specialized in automobile racing applications. The lines come in
various lengths, and then you just get the necessary adapters to fit your
vehicle. The three lines were about $20 - $25 a piece which isn't to much more
than the genuine ones. They are very tough and since they don't flex like rubber
ones, they help that little amount of braking go a bit further. I think the
place is still in business, if anyone is interested let me know and I will track
down the number.

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]     1996 Discovery
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 06-Nov-1996

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:09:12 -0500
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: ? About Installing New Door Skins

Repaired my lower door frames, and now have the shiny, new door skins to
apply.  Problem is, the top edge of the skin appears to extend above the
edge of the frame(without crimping the edges of the panel).  This
difference may disappear once the curved section is fully tightened to the
frame.  Any experiences?
    Also, at the top of the replacement skins are small holes spaced across
the width.  They don't line up with anything.  What are they for?  Should I
heat the panel edges before I bend them?

Thanks for your help!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1974 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:16:52 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: ESPN/ESPN2 broadcasts

David Russell wrote:
> I have a copy of the Trek '96 show for those interested and two VCRs to dub
> with. The Camel Trophy will be broadcast in December.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Cheers.
> DavidHi Dave:

Let me know how much you need for a copy and your address.  I would like 
to have a copy of the tape.  Dave VE4PN

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: British (and Scottish) Letters
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:46:43 +0100 (MET)

Peter Hirsch wrote:
| ...
| Vienna, Austria
| Where things are pronounced exactly as written
hahahahahaha! 
Don't beleave him. They're barely able to speak German there. ;-)
(Not that I claim to be able to speak proper German)
Cheers,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 01:01:53 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...(long)

At 02:31 PM 11/6/96 -0500, you wrote:
>...there is absolutely no style obsolescence problem...

What was cool then is cool now...  'course, we all knew that.

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: LR Chefs
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:37:40 +-100
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

DONOHUEPE@aol.com[SMTP:DONOHUEPE@aol.com] wrote:

Turn adversity to your advantage!  Just think of dogs as free meat.  Use
your Land Rover to harvest free food from the roads.  E-mail me privately
for a wonderful old Vietnamese recipe for roast dog.

Paul Donohue
1965 109

Hello!
Is Your recipes also easy to convert to other species, 
because here we have more pedestrians than dogs ?? :-)))
Of cause we only hit them by accident, but if Your recipe is good ??

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers 

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:58:01 +1100
From: haystack@netspace.net.au (Doug McPherson)
Subject: Wheel locked while driving !!!

Hi all.

I recently bought a 1985 110 V8.

I just went on a 600km trip to the Gippsland Lakes to go sailing (very
enjoyable!). Today I was about to go to my first Land Rover Owners Club
meeting.

The car had been parked since the trip. I turned into the driveway across
the road, reversed backward, then put it in first to drive off again.
Loudish bang, car is obviously struggling forward. I stop in the middle of
the road, have a quick look under it, can't see anything.

Get back in, drive off again. Seems OK now. Park by the side of the road again.

One wheel has obviously locked, since there's a black stripe on the road.
By its position I'd suggest its the back right (drivers side in  Oz).
That's what the dragging feeling was. I didn't notice this when  I was
parked in the middle of the road, so I'm not sure which wheel.

Had a good look under it. Nothing seems untoward.

Get back in, go for a drive. Seems OK again. Drives normally.

Circle right and left at full lock. OK.

Drive down and up a slope. OK.

Tried low range. OK.

Even engaged the diff lock to make sure both diffs were going around. OK.
(only for about 20 feet, and in a straight line)

Any ideas anyone ?

After the bang, there were NO strange noises.

Remember this is permanent 4 wheel drive, like an early Range Rover, with a
centre diff lock. The back axle is a Salisbury 8HA.

If I had snapped an axle (VERY rare on a Salisbury I'm told) would this
have the above effect ?

A few things that may contribute:

1) VERY stuffed left trailing arm bush. I could push the arm up and down by
hand, about 1 or 2 cm. This is probably the main culprit in my steering
woes that the Oz list has been hearing about.

2) Loose right rear wheel bearing.

3) The rear brakes were just adjusted to take up wear.

Help !

Doug.
Bemused.

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: When should one muff one's Rover ?
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:10:47 +-100
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Doug B. asks about the proper time to add the muff. 

In autum, first day the meter do not reach normal working
temp on my way to the office ( 10 miles, 16 Km ), I remove the
driving belt to the fan. In the following weeks, it works fine. Then 
next time the temp is too low I mount the muff ( non genuine, ( piece 
of cardboard)). 
When it gets cold, I find my old coat from the time in the service.
The one use for outdoor winter work in the Royal Danish Navy, 
it dont help the motor, but I am comfortable inside.
:-)

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:38:15 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Rooth's Remarks

>Anway, the source for a lot of problems can be laid at the feet of the QC
>staff (was there one?) of - as Dixon would say - British phlegm sucking
>Leyland.

Interesting point,Sandy.I'd all but forgotten those miserable days.
Management(such as it was) couldnt,or wasnt allowed to,manage,and
QC was a joke,since if any inspector *did* actually pick something
up such as you mention,the worker involved took it as a personal
insult and the plant came out on strike!Although,to be fair,Land
Rover very rarely was troubled by strikes,more often by suppliers of
various components going on strike.And morale must have been very low
in the plant at the time,since everyone must have known they were
propping up BL's car division,which,according to a contemporary report,
"Seems to exist to give job satisfaction to graduate engineers,rather
than to produce cars people actually want".I heard of an example,a
Hillman Imp as it happened,bought new from a local dealer.The proud
purchaser could not,at first,understand why one of the doors wouldnt
shut properly.Eventually he discovered it was the best part of an
inch too long for the 'ole it was supposed to fit.He eventually got
a new car,but only by parking it outside the dealer's,with a list
of defects taped to the inside of the window.Strangely enough,as a
great favour,they supplied him with an export model.These were always
said to be better than the home market stuff.So what you got was
good,compared with what we had to put up with!Dreadful days,but
funnily enough with low unemployment.Cant win,can you?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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