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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 06:58:12 -0500
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

Taylor ("Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>) writes: 

LR BBQ,

Has anybody direct experience open fire BBQing with a Series 

grille?  True that the grid openings are so large a half chicken

is the smallest piece to not fall through?  Mark 

taylor-mark,
the grills of series land rovers are made of several different materials,
depending on the vintage (of the rover, not the chicken). series owners tend
to buy a rover that lends itself to a particular, preferred cooking style.
this is usually a primary concern to soundness of frame, completeness of
engine, or availability of title.

SIII, plastic: 
which leads to your chicken having a tough outer coating that cant be cut
with plastic forks and knives of the type one tends to find at BBQs, but
leaves the chicken juicy and tender on the inside, albeit with a slightly
silver color. these are preferred by the handyman types because the outer
coating is so resistant to 90 wt, diesel, wayoyl, and other things that might
lead to unpleasant taste while eating and lying under the truck working on
the drivetrain.
examples of this type of owner would be dave bobeck who has also modified his
overdrive to grind beef or chicken, (bones, skin, eyes and all) or benjamin
allan smith, who will eat anything provided he runs it over, and seasons it
on the front bumper for at least 1200 miles, which for ben is about every
other day.

SII, SIIA, galvanised steel:
with no hard plastic coating, the chicken is lent an unpleasant zinc taste,
which after suitable brain damage actually becomes quite tasty, this brain
damage leads to  further land rover purchases, or in its most extreme cases
J**P purchases. these are preferred by the *experimenter* type land rover
owner, these dishes are seasoned with whatever is at hand. galvanic corrosion
residue is very popular, as is hypoid, waxoy (only if one can find lemons),
WD40 (lubricant or not it is tasty), dirt, sand, mud, the stuff that
accumulates on the floorboards.
examples:
dixon kenner, who actually has a different rover for each of his favorite
seasonings
russ dushin, who as a professional chemist, brings all sorts of tasty
compounds to cook with.
jeff berg, who actually keeps a locker of assorted meats and spices in the
back of his rover

Late SIIA, galvanised steel:
same as above, just bigger appetites (larger grill area)
examples:
bill maloney, although to facilitate a diet a couple of years ago, bill
switched the whole front end to that of an early IIA. (engine, axles,
steering relay and all)
Bill Callocia, who actually sold his 69 and bought a range rover to
experiment with nouvelle cuisine.

stage one, plastic dipped galvanised steel
the reason these rovers are so popular has nothing to do with the V8 engine,
it has to do with the combination of the hard plastic coating, and the tangy
zinc flavoring.
example:
eric zipkin, who has eaten so much chicken cooked on his grill, or perhaps it
was all those years growing up eating off the grill of his fathers SII, has
rendered himself utterly irresistible to girls between the years of 11-15.

about myself?, anyone can tell you that i dont really care much about food.

rgds,
spenny

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway
69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

BTW,
you wrote....
I also saw a photo of a 11A 109 towing a 105 howitzer.  What engine would
that vehicle have?  
stock 2.25, with the special military grill for forty option, call lanny at
RN, they have a used one in stock now.

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 09:37 SAT
From: Jose Trisotti <jtrisott@reuna.cl>
Subject: seri I parts

Hi All :
I am rebuilding my new toy , it's a serie I model 1953 . I need some body
parts as the wings , do you know where can I buy it . 
thanks

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Date: 5 Nov 1996 12:53:03 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: test

does this work??
i sent a message earlier today and i dont think it appeared on the list

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:04:55 -0500
Subject: LR in Automobile Magazine

I was browsing the store shelves and saw that the current issue of
"Automobile" has a thing on some guy who ran for president on a Land Rover. I
didn't read the whole thing, so no further details.

What I was doing there was actually looking for the issue of FourWheeler that
has the LR content. Which was it again?

pat
93  110

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:32:30 -0500
Subject: RR For Sale

In the Monday Richmond, VA Times-Dispatch:

'89 Range Rover-Great all wheel vehicle.  Records.  Just serviced by dealer.
 Priced for quick sale, buying '97 Rover.  $8950.00 obo (804) 744-3672

Usual disclaimers.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: General Queries - 110 2.5 litre petrol
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 14:01:32 GMT

> >> Yes, the guys at AMD recommended this too. I had never heard of the stuff
> >> and when I mentioned red hermatite, they cringed.  It seems to be the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> definitely liquid silicon sealant "instant gasket" and not at al the same -
> it sets like silicon rubber, peels off and has no adhesive properties if
> disturbed.

Could well be different stuff then. I've never actually used Blue Hylomar,
but a few people have said its the same stuff. Although this orange stuff
seems similar to the silicone stuff (it peels off,"instant gasket","look",
etc), it is definitely
tougher (chemically) than standard silicone sealant - this will put up with
temperature, oil, petrol,etc,etc. Also, it gives off acetic acid when it cures.
Its also harder to get off your hands for some reason - don't know why.
You'd think it would just peal off like silicone sealant, but it doesn't seem
to want to.

So this blue stuff is sticky - whatelse?

Richard

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:08:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Richard Ex-Ghurka

Richard,
Let me know if you find what's giving you the gassy smell. I still have my
Weber and I can't find the source of the very faint gassy smell in mine.
Also~
If you are backfiring, your distributor shaft may be worn so it doesn't spin
in a proper circle. Have you tried electronic ignition? Here in the states,
the Pertronix "Ignitor" is about $100 (roughly 75 pounds st.). That, plus a
new cap and coil went into my IIa in about 30 minutes and my truck has never
run better, faster and MUCH more fuel efficient. It has probably paid for
itself.

Good Luck
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Rangie

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From: Joost Kramer <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Re: test
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 15:12:06 +0100 (UCT)

> does this work??
> i sent a message earlier today and i dont think it appeared on 
the list
> does this work??
Yep!

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:17:13 -0500
Subject: Re: cottage, garden, et al.

In a message dated 96-11-05 07:10:53 EST, you write:

<< Subject: Cottage, Garden & More >>

Maybe they were refering to my friend Ron's LR which was used as a chicken
coop in a "garden" in Western NC  for many years before he bought it, topped
the fluids and drove it home.

Spoiling the romanticism,
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Rangie
(18)68 cottage with garden, dogs, tweeds in the closet and Wellies by the
front door.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Re FWH and French Drivetrains
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 09:19:00 EST

With regard to FWHs for Range Rovers and the new French conversion mentioned 
recently. Check out the drive train on your Majorette model Range Rovers. 
Noticed this while looking over the collection with Jim Dolan this Sunday. A 
truly brilliant French innovation to connect the front axle to the rear and 
eliminate all the friction inherent in the engine and transmission. The 
difficult part is getting the vehicle moving initially, then the drive takes 
over, as the front wheels roll they drive the rears which push the vehicle 
and make the fronts roll faster and so ad infinitum. (Works best with 
synthetic 90W on warm days!!)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Richard Ex-Ghurka
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 14:23:31 GMT

> Richard,
> Let me know if you find what's giving you the gassy smell. I still have my
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> run better, faster and MUCH more fuel efficient. It has probably paid for
> itself.

I had a whole load of ignition problems back in May/June - made worse due
to FFR shielding (now gone). The result is that I have new distributor
- and civvie at that. As the backfiring has appeared with the change in carb.,
this is probably the problem. Unless, the garage that fitted the carb., tuned
it oddly?

I don't think its the clutch that was fitted at the same time!  :-)

Richard

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:22:43 -500
Subject: The Real World LR

In the midst of the serious, disturbing work "The Coming Plague" by 
Laurie Garrett, I must note that Land-Rover is mentioned a number of 
times as the only vehicle apparently available in Zaire and Bolivia. 
Of two Peace Corps friends who have returned from Gabon and
Sudan, one mentioned Toyota as his vehicle of choice.  This suprised 
me, but he stated the Toyota started, ran and was always seriously
overpiled with people and their belongings.   He wrote from Gabon of 
the local ritual of placing a hand to the windscreen when confronting 
opposing vehicles.  Later he learned this kept the screen from falling out.
Mark

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:31:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Lro Chefs

In a message dated 96-11-05 07:12:56 EST, you write:

<< with no hard plastic coating, the chicken is lent an unpleasant zinc
taste,
 which after suitable brain damage actually becomes quite tasty, >>
That's easy for you to say, what about THE DOGS! They are EVERYWHERE! Why
can't they just leave me ALONE?!?!?!?! 
They wants me precious chicken....
my...precious.........chicken.........

~and~
contrary to popular belief, Range Rover brush guards DO braise grilled
vegetables more evenly than Disco brush guards, which are best left for
searing Camel steaks.

Gastronomically Yours,
Alex Maiolo
69 IIA ("the lobotomizer")
89 Rangie ("the Coil Sprung Le Cirque")

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:33:23 -500
Subject: TR Chef Warning

To Alex and Others,
Regarding your dog messing with your grilled chicken comment,
do not let them ever lick your food or your face.  Use a non zinc 
plated grille.  Seriously.
M 

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:41:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Voltage

In a message dated 96-11-05 07:13:10 EST, you write:

<<   I guess BritPac will be getting
 some more of my cash (plasic?) this week.   >>
Chris,
Take it to a local small motor/generator/starter rebuilder that has
experience with Lucas stuff ( most of 'em do - Triumph, MG, Jag).
They probably have the stuff in stock to rebuild it and it will cast you
about 1/2 to 1/3 as much.
It should take a day or two at most.
Good Luck

Alex Maiolo
69 IIA
89 Rangie

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:41:11 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: A Puzzlement...

Someone the other day mentioned the unreliability of old Rovers,and
wondered why,not only did we keep fixing them,but actually *wanted*
to.Good point.No doubt we all have our individual reasons,insanity
perhaps being among the most common.
However this got me thinking(no small feat in itself).In England,its
a fair bet that the current unreliability of series machines could be
traced back to the original owner.After all,most vehicles(88"&109"SW
excepted) would go to firms,large or small,or,perhaps worst of all,
to farmers.And unless they were *very* lucky would get driven on the
"common user" principle,and probably maintained as and when they
could be spared,patched up and sent out again.Farmers,of course
would mostly *never* be able to spare the thing,and would,perhaps,
top up the oil when the light came on.But only when they'd finished
what they were doing.
Now that's fine for the UK.But how about Australia,South Africa,etc?
I assume(and corrections are welcome)that there was perhaps little in
the way of domestic competition at the time,although the term "ute"
has been used in Oz for a good long while,I understand,so the Land
Rover would in fact have had *some* competition,and I cant see many
people neglecting essential maintenance that could well leave them
stuck in the bush a long way from the nearest pub.To say the least.
But maybe I'm wrong,and maybe,again,the first owner was guilty of
neglect,the ills therefrom being visited upon us poor souls many
years later.
But its the United States that puzzles me.Here we have a country
with a strong domestic product in pickups,utility vehicles,call
it what you will,and in which I assume that the term "Sport Utility
Vehicle" was as yet,thankfully,unborn.So who *did* buy series
Land Rovers in the States?And for what?Much smaller than the
domestic product,it was hardly likely to have been preferred for
commercial use,and spares would have been more difficult to obtain.
And I can hardly see anyone buying,say,an 88" basic hardtop for
pleasure use,even if that sort of pleasure *had* been invented
at the time.So if they *were* bought privately,can the original
owner be blamed,either wholly,or in part,for the state of
decrepitude they have assumed today?
Answers/comments anyone?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:52:58 -0500
Subject: Re: 110 pricing

In a message dated 96-11-05 07:13:13 EST, you write:

<< >something fishy going on here just saw a 93 D110 for sale in Chgo Tribune

 >for $51,500.....please explain.... >>

You see it's an inside joke......
"5150" in Police Radio Code Speak refers to the criminally insane.
"51500" means "Insane Land Rover purchaser with deep pockets and no
walking-around sense."
...........quite simple.

There is a 110 in Hemmings for $38,000 and I've rarely seen them go above
$45,000 with low mileage. They are beutiful machines and represent the golden
fleece for me, but I eagerly await the day they import them in droves so
gouging punks like
"give-me-a-middle-class-family's-yearly-income-for-my-truck-boy" will be out
of luck.

Ascerbically Yours,
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Rangie ( "the poor man's 110")

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:58:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Brake Lines

In a message dated 96-11-05 07:13:15 EST, you write:

<< Subject: Stainless Brake Lines >>
Some of mine are stainless. I just had them flare the ends at the NAPA when I
bought them. Go to a place with a machine shop in the back and be really nice
- they'll do it for you. Also, it doesn't hurt to buy LOTS of stuff while
you're there.

Alex Maiolo
69 IIA
89 Rangie

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:00:21 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject:  storage building (was Re: Blonde in a Jeep)

keeping a great subject line alive...

i just took delivery on a 12x20 foot storage building.
it set me back some change, but the wife wanted the
piles of rover parts out from behind the house.  it
is located across town at a rental house, but across
town for me is 4 miles or 10 minutes.  
three trailer loads and the yard was clean and the building
had lots of room left.  this is great.  now some
shelves and hangers and i can get organized.  i expect
to make trips over only once per month or so.

so, post your used series parts and help me fill the
building.  dixon, is the winch still available...

the building is big enough (and the door too) that i can
start assembly of the sii project vehicle that has
been languishing.  plan to start that in the spring -- get
a rolling chassis and then bring it back home to finalize.

ah, life is good...

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:12:41 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Dormobile Seat Variatons?

>I was just looking through the latest LRW and noticed that
>the 6cyl. Dormobile has two single seats up front.  Was this
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>driver's position and a dual seat next to that.  This is certainly
>the case for the seats I have.  How common are the two single seats?

        The 4's and 6's mostly had a single seat for the driver, and a
double seat on the other side. I've seen about 50 in that configuration.
I've never seen the 2 single seat rig. Martin Walters did so many odd
things that it could exist from the factory, but is definately not the
usual for the LR Dormobile.
>cheers,
>Jeremy
>common to all 6 cyl. conversions?  The reason I ask is to the
>best of my memory other seats I've seen are a single in the

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:55:55 -500
Subject: A Puzzlement Reconfigured

Mike R,
You really have been thinking.  I have wondered the same thing here 
in the US.  Your statements ring true for all manner of British vehicle
ownership in the States.  For the love of the Union Jack, we pay more 
and get less?  M

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 10:45:26 -0500
From: Brad F Worls <bworls@ovnet.com>
Subject: Re: LROA

Beckett, Ron wrote:

>  Cost of membership A$25 (US$20) per annum of which about half goes into the
> newsletter for printing and postage (postage is much dearer here than the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> '66 Hillman Gazelle (alloy head)
> '48 Swiss wife, Elisabeth

Humm,
	I thought postage would be MORE expensive here in the states!  Remember
our postal workers need to buy enough rifels and amo to take on the
local post office crowd! >;)

				Toung in cheek,
				Brad

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 15:51:45 +0000
From: ZZBLVH01!Trevor_Briggs@bana.attmail.com (Trevor Briggs)
Subject: TREK 96

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:06:49 +0100
Subject:       Re: test

> Stuur antw. aan:  land-rover-owner@land-rover.team.net
> Aan:              Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Onderwerp:        Re: test
> Datum verzending: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:12:06 +0100

> > does this work??
> Aan:              Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> the list
> > does this work??

Yes it does...........................
(Haven't seen your message though..)
 

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:18:38 -0800
From: cascardo@ix.netcom.com (Lucas Andres Cascardo)
Subject: Relays

Last week the check engine light lit up on my D90.  Got to the dealer 
and they 'fixed' it, they said they found that the air flow meter 
connector was not connected to the R/S of the meter.  This week the 
engine is running very badly; hesitation when accelerating, spedometer 
jumping, heavy white exhaust.  But no check engine light.  I noticed 
yesterday that after turning off the car there was a vibrating sound 
under the passenger seat.  Opening it up I saw a relay connected to the 
fuel injector electronics vibrating.  Is the relay bad - could this be 
the problem?  

Thanks in advance
Lucas C. 

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:24:42 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement Reconfigured

>Mike R,
>You really have been thinking.  I have wondered the same thing here
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>ownership in the States.  For the love of the Union Jack, we pay more
>and get less?  M
Oh,is *that*what it is???
I thought we paid more and got less:-)I can understand it from a
conventional car viewpoint,the desire to be a bit different,etc,
but the old series machine is a utility workhorse,and people tend
to be a bit harder-headed where they are concerned.
Cheers
Mike

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 09:00:08 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: RE4: LROA

 Hello Ron,

 I think your comments are 'spot on' !

 Most of the LROA members are NOT net connected and look forward to
 receiving our hard copy news magazine.   We need to get the  AW published
 regularly and on time.   With all the dedicated and knowledgeable members
 around,  we should have plenty of interesting submissions of articles and
 photos and other information.   So people, stop complaining and send your
 materials and suggestions to: LROA/AW, PO Box 130, Walnut Creek, CA 94597
 We need your input and participation!

 Enough said,

-Michael Carradine
 VP LROA

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 

At 09:34 PM 11/5/96 EST, you wrote:
>All,
>Now don't take this too seriously.
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>'66 Hillman Gazelle (alloy head)
>'48 Swiss wife, Elisabeth

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:25:37 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: FWH, UK Registration, LRO list

God, I Love this List!!!

David
Rookie 1969 IIA owner

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:25:05 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Re: ESPN/ESPN2 broadcasts

I have a copy of the Trek '96 show for those interested and two VCRs to dub
with. The Camel Trophy will be broadcast in December.
Pleas e-mail direct

Cheers.
David

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:20:58 -500
Subject: Lenses

Is there a Series vehicle with Lucas glass round tail lenses as used
on late '50s Austin-Healeys?  I believe that late Lucas plastic round
A-H 3000 lenses were used on the tailgate, probably around '65.  At 
least they look the same to me.  What style did the late '60s 11A have?
M

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:46:08 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: re: British Reg. Letters

After carefully reading the responses to my query (thanks everyone), here's
what I've come up with:
Registration years are from August 1-July 31
Current registrations are prefix P and both A and B suffix's were used in
1963-1964.
I will send the years and their corresponding letters to anyone who would
like them.

I am still confused about:

The number of letters in the alphabet (names have been removed to protect
the innocent ;-))

>Letters that are not used are I,O,Q,U & Z giving a total number of 20. In
>1984 >after the letter Y was used the registration plate was changed & the
>letter A >was used again, e.g. [A 123 XYZ].

Whether you can tell *where* a vehicle was registered or not. Example, what
would the registration be for a 1969 model registered in May 1969 in
Giffnock, Scotland (near Glasgow, I believe)?

Thanks again.
David

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 5 Nov 1996 13:27:04 MDT
Subject: Re: LROA ??

To Dixon and Everybody else-

       It was a little hard to follow your response Dixon but I gather
you have a bone to pick (perhaps legit and certainly meaningful to you)
with the LROA. Fair enough! I also got the feeling that you figured my
tirade was directed at you. It wasn't. After reading a half dozen
"P&Ms", I just loaded up a charge 7 round and fired for effect.
       Even though I've been out of the mainstream of the LROA for a
long time, it's still a bit dear to my heart. Despite whatever troubles
there are now, it'll alway be that.It was something I helped to create
and it went on happily for a good long while.
       Dixon, as a member of OVLR you should be proud of what you folks
have accomplished. A two year term for officers is great. Sounds like
you've got it all whipped. How about offering a helping hand to those
folks trying to revitalize the LROA!
       It's easy for all of us to sit here shielded by a computer screen
and start tossing missiles at each other over fairly trivial matters. If
the LROA dies - it dies. If lessons were learned as a result - net
gain. If not, the same will happen again to some club, somewhere.
       In the immortal words of William Shatner (aka Captain Kirk).
"Let's all get a life!"

Jim

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 5 Nov 1996 13:28:30 MDT
Subject: Re: @Highway Speed?

Eric-

       One thing to remember about Land Rovers is their notoriously
inaccurate speedos.

Jim

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:48:13 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: British Reg. Letters

David Russell wrote:
> After carefully reading the responses to my query (thanks everyone), here's
> what I've come up with:
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> Thanks again.
> David
The series II in question would probably be owned by a sheep farmer, who
hasn't washed his vehicle since he bought it in 1969, so the number
plate would be illegible anyway! I am not sure how many letters there
are in the Scottish alphabet (Apologies to Ian Stuart :-) ) But
underneath all that mud, would be a G registration plate like ABC 123G -
as for the area code letters, I am sure I have a list somewhere in an
old almanac - I will try and dig it out!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:16:43 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: L-R lexicon

Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> said:

>I still think we could use a landy-lexicon - make it more fun for
>newbies! 

There is a lexicon at 

http://enviro.arcs.ac.at/~peter/lr/

maintained by Peter Kutschera in Vienna, who also subscribes to this list. I 
have to admit that LROA certainly and LROI probably are not in the list of 
abbreviations.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:16:41 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: S II Colours

"Jan Wagemaker" <wagemaker@dataweb.nl> asked about the roof on an S II:

>I am about to buy a 109 of 1961. It's a former Swiss fire-department car.
>I'll have it fitted with a hardtop. Someone knows the colour-scheme? Some
>people insist that the roof "should" be white. I wonder.
>Answers please at my E-mail address as well.

Jan - afaik the tropical roof was always limestone on S II's and later 
Series vehicles, ivory on S I's. Most hardtops would have been all 
limestone, I conclude from the pictures I have seen. As for the body, you 
probably have a choice of sand, grey, blue or - let's see, there was some 
other colour... oh yes, bronze green. Any problem keeping it nice and 
fire-engine red?
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:18:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Movie Sighting

In "Spies Like Us", (starring Dan Akroyd & Chevy Chase,) the real spies head
towards Russia in a topless sIII 88".  (Dan & Chevy have gone native and are
riding a local bus.)  Chevy even correctly identifies it as a Land Rover.

(Sorry if this is a duplicate, but I came home and my dad was watching it
and pointed it out.)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: MHKINGER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:29:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Stainless Brake Lines

It seems to me I read on this net that stainless is not a good tubing to use
as it fatigues at certain points. I'll look back in my note book to see if I
can find anything further. Someone else may have more knowledge.
Mike

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: RR For Sale
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 08:34:00 EST

Bloody cheap by Australina standards.  An '89 auto usually sells for about 
A$37K over here (US$30K)
If it wasn't for the LHD it would be almost worth buying it and bringing 
over.

Ron
 ----------
From: Lodelane@aol.com
Subject: RR For Sale
Date: Tuesday, 5 November 1996 11:32PM

In the Monday Richmond, VA Times-Dispatch:

'89 Range Rover-Great all wheel vehicle.  Records.  Just serviced by
dealer.
 Priced for quick sale, buying '97 Rover.  $8950.00 obo (804) 744-3672

Usual disclaimers.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:32:49 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: Web phones

At 05:47 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
>i have just discovered Freetel at
>http://www.freetel.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>---------------------------------------------------
>"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
>---------------------------------------------------
hi adrian
I got freetel.
How do I contact you?
love to chat.

Ofir Nahari

1964 sIIa 88"
 1951 sI 80"

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 16:55:29 -0500
Subject: half-shaft busted, any spares???

and I didn't do nuthin' - just coasting along... weird.

The axle in question is from an early 80's RR, the kind with splined
outer end and a separate "driving plate".  I need the piece going from
CV joint to the wheel on the front (US) driver's side.
 These could also be found in the front axles on stageI and early 110's,
as well as US '87 RRs (not 100% sure tho')

Any spares???
thx
Jan in US

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:14:03 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Web phones

nahari ofir wrote:
> At 05:47 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
> >i have just discovered Freetel at
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> 1964 sIIa 88"
>  1951 sI 80"
I am there most evenings (european time 20:00 - 24:00) and some
weekends, and I have a group called LANDROVER if i remember to enable it
and if you have Freetel + otherwise you can find me as ADRIAN!! Denmark
- I'm there right now, and will be for an hour or so!

hope we meet one evening!
-- 
adrian redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:37:21 -0500
Subject: Re: seri I parts

Jose inquires:
>I am rebuilding my new toy , it's a serie I model 1953 . I need some body
>parts as the wings , do you know where can I buy it . 

Join the Series One Clube and you will receive their magazine which includes
advertisements for parts sources. The membership secretary can be reached at:
12 Black Lawn, Gillingham, Dorset SP8 4SD England.

Wadsworth Panels advertises SI panels. 01422-822200. 1 Steele Lane,
Barkisland, Halifax, West Yorks.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:25:18 -0500
Subject: speedo for sale

I have a speedometer from a 67 IIa that I don't need.
Make me an offer if you can use one.

Thanks, sorry about the hard-sell.

Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Rangie

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 01:45:32 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: NEXT SUMMER--NO WAY

Nick C. Baggarly wrote:
> At 10:39 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
> >All right all you overland non-gonzo-types, here's your big chance.  Adrian
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 38 lines)]
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nick C. Baggarly . Sr. Software Engineer
> McAfee Associates . 1-(408) 980-3649 . 1308771@SKYMAIL.COM

Thanks for the interest in the Norwegian trip - ferry from Denmark to
norway twice a day from frederikshavn to Oslo and twice a day from
Kristiansand to Hirtshals - I will check prices and let you all know -
but it's cheaper than petrol/diesel here!

The landscape is wonderful, I have made the trip by road to Trondheim
and by sea all the way up to the north cape, and further up to Svalbard
/ Spitzbergen at the top of the barents sea - too deep for the series
though.

I was considering contacting the Norwegian LR club, maybe to get some
tips and a few participants/navigators/local men. Maybe a few from
Denmark will be interested, I haven't had time to call them yet.

If we could get about 10 - 20 vehicles, and a list of interested
participants and their families/companions, we could plan a trip which
suits the interests of us all - no sense in going fishing if there's no
fishing fans - and we should remember the kids.

There could also be a possibility for some single drivers, who might
have a seat or two free for transatlantic collegues whose trucks can't
fly as hand baggage - maybe we could find a couple of extra vehicles in
Denmark for foreign guests from afar.

But first we need some Europeans with a healthy spectrum of different
landrovers of all flavours. Then we need plenty of humour.

Norway got it's name in english from german/nordic roots Norweigen -
meaning NORth Way - the Northern Way up to the top of the world. In
Norwegian Norway is called Norge - though how that came about I'm not
sure, but it also means something to do with the North. More research
for the culture quiz around the campfire at each day's rest.

Maybe we could get some Norwegian clubs/members to "host us" for a
camp-fire or two along the way. I'd be happy to give a pre-trek grill at
the farm in Denmark the day before the set-off.

Any other ideas are welcome - this is still on the drawing board, and
there it will remain until there are enough of you to say, "this is how
it's gonna be, let's go for it!" I've never done anything like this
before (unless you count shipping 12 people and two cars around Iceland
for a film shoot, that sort of fun we do all the time), so it's not for
me to say this is how it's gonna be, take it or leave it - I just want a
good holiday with my car(s), my family, and a crowd of new/old friends,
preferably with a good view and a mosquitofree tent (The north is
plagues by mosquitos - not malarial, but very itchy.

Besides cars and LRO's we need to secure a good combination of social
talents - those who can make magic curry over a campfire in the rain, a
musician or two (acoustic), a few storytellers, at least one Norwegian,
and NO WINGERS! But this must be a good place to start. Maybe the guy
from Vienaa with the 1000 old series 1 could make it?

Keep the ideas coming, foolish thoughts cost less than foolish acts!

a "Landroverly wave" to passers-by
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:11:29 -0500
From: "David M. Schwarz" <dschwarz@pipeline.com>
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server:

>Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 22:06:50 -0500
>To: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>checked from ground stations and kept very accurate.  Time information is
>transmitted from the satellites to the receiver.  David, dschwarz@pipeline.com

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 21:48:43 -0500
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...('60)

A good question from Mike:
>And I can hardly see anyone buying,say,an 88" basic hardtop for
>pleasure use,even if that sort of pleasure *had* been invented
>at the time.So if they *were* bought privately,can the original
>owner be blamed,either wholly,or in part,for the state of
>decrepitude they have assumed today?

We have two '60 SIIs. One, a SW was purchased from the son of the original
owner. His father bought it after a major snow storm. The salesman drove out
to demonstrate it in the snow and his father was impressed. It was a second
or third car for the family, used for around town and other pleasure driving.
They lived in a small, upscale village. I suspect that a LR being British was
considered more suitable than a Jeep which was a commercial vehicle. It
wasn't cheap, $3000 in 1960 or the price of a very nice Buick.

The other was purchased from the second owner who was the son of the dealer
who sold it originally. The orginal owner was a dentist in NH who only used
it in the summer for pleasue. I believe it was kept at a cottage, not the
primary home. Again an upscale "toy".

We also have the remains of a '59 SII SW from West Virginia. It may have
originally been purchased by a paper company which wanted to try out
alternatives to the domestics.

1960 was the just about the peak of the "foreign car" craze led by VW in the
US. There was a market for anything foreign including Renault Dauphines and
even various bubble cars. One of my kindergarden classmates arrived each day
in a very small car with a single door across the front (Issetta?). So at
that time LRs were a natural, and that was when imports into the US cranked
up. The only real competition in small trucks were Jeeps.

We also have the remains of a '59 SII SW from West Virginia. It may have
originally been purchased by a paper company which wanted to try out
alternatives to the domestics. In '60 or so even conservative companies like
utilities were buying foreign. After the "foreign car craze" sales died down
some, and were mostly to individuals in the US

Canada may have been different. My impression is that in the late '50s/early
'60s there was a concerted effort in Canada to express there distictiveness
from the US by emphasising ties with the UK.

As for today, we wound up with LRs as hobby vehicles for a variety or
reasons. I like the "agricultural" nature of being designed for function, not
asthetics. My wife is British, and has a soft place for LRs. There are
several good, generally intelligent LR magazines and various clubs with other
than a "jack them up with big tires and lots of chrome" mentality. Most
owners seem like genuinely nice folks. Parts are not a major problem.
Finally, a somewhat unique reason: we both work for GM and LR is not seen as
competition in the way that Jeep is.

Regards,
David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:55:55 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Dualmatic hubs

>The levers should be marked "lock" on one side and "Free" on the other.

I've gone even further...the "locked" side has been painted red, so you can 
tell from 50 ft. away.

BTW happy Guy Fawkes day, all.

  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:17:47 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...

Mike muses eloquently as usual about the reason for the sorry state of some
Land Rovers.  I believe my comment about LRs being the only vehicle capable
of requiring such work and inspring the disire to do it may have been a
partial inspiration.

As to the (sometimes sorry) state of Land Rovers:
I believe mine has been sorry because of simple failure of old parts.  I'm
not sure how all the POs took care of it, but the two that are know to me
seem to have done a good job.  The person from whom I purchased it took
excelent care of it for the brief time he owned it, and the one before that
undertook a frame-over restoration which he abandoned only after eight
years.  So, I have no complaints with them.  The general good state of the
engine itself shows that someone took good care of it along the way.  My
problems can all be traced to wear.  How many times over thirty-one years
and N*100K+93K miles do you imagine that the ignition switch (the original
cause of my electrical problems) was turned?   A bunch, I'll wager.

Why we put up with (even love) them:
This is simple for me.  It's the coolest toy I've ever had.  I'm learning
that I can, indeed, understand how it works, and fix what's broken with it,
as well as modify it to my fancy.  I'm an engineer, so I have a
predisposition for tinkering with and designing things.  The presence of
the Land Rover has filled my weekends with things to do that can involve my
kids and has drawn me away for work.  When they work, we can go do fun
things in them and when they don't we get to solve puzzles.  Now, this
probably only applies to those to whom this is not an undue financial
burden, but then I don't think Land Rover ownership in North America is
particularly for the weak of wallet (but then, my first LR was a Disco, so
I may be sc(r)ewed on this).

C
'65 IIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 00:34:32 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: A Puzzlement...

Mike Rooth ponders...

>But its the United States that puzzles me.Here we have a country
 with a strong domestic product in pickups,utility vehicles,call
........
>And I can hardly see anyone buying,say,an 88" basic hardtop for
 pleasure use,even if that sort of pleasure *had* been invented
 at the time.So if they *were* bought privately,can the original
 owner be blamed,either wholly,or in part,for the state of
 decrepitude they have assumed today?
-

Chances are that some people saw the Rover as a better vehicle than the
Jeeps that were available at the time. When I was a lad in school, there was
a woman in my school distric that had a 109 that she used as a schoolbus. I
spoke to her years later (she no longer has the Rover) and she told me she
actually had two and would not have thought of using anything else. There
actually was a Land Rover dealer in my area and they sold Studebakers as
well (if that means anything). A lot of the Rovers around here were fitted
with snowplows. As far as "state of decrepitude" goes, we can blame Land
Rover for pulling out of the US market in the 1970's.. Parts were basically
unavailable for most people. Here in the rust belt, road salt in the winter
took it's toll on the chassis. Probably not too many people really thought
of preserving thier Rovers.. Who would have thought in 1965 that the truck
they were driving might actually be still running 30 years later..

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 00:34:15 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Door bottom deep in a snow bank:(

Eric sez...

>First, I resent being labled as some sort of yahoo that doesn't give a
rat's .....much stuff deleted.....
>Frustration vented...
-

Hey.. I've seen Eric drive.. Yes, he is a Yahoo.. but a careful one.
So there!

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 00:34:30 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: LRO, LROI, LROA, AOL et al

Uncle Roger sez...

>>Can someone explain what/who/where LROI and LROA is - maybe i'm dumb,
>>maybe i just a european, maybe I just haven't heard the answer yet!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>LRW  = Land Rover World (Newer Brit. LR mag)
>AOL  = America On-Line (US on-line service with worse rep than LROA.)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
ROFLMAO = Rolling On the Floor, Laughing My A** Off

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:56:37 +0000
Subject: Re: British Reg. Letters

Quoting Adrian Redmond, from  5 Nov 96

> I am not sure how many letters there are in the Scottish alphabet
> (Apologies to Ian Stuart :-) )
We've got 26 letters, just like our southern neigbours (the English).

However, we don't always pronounce the letters as written, if at all ;-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:55:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Land Rover speed

I am seeing all these postings about landrover speeds over 60mph.  My Series 3 
cruises conformtably about 40 mph on the speedo.  My diesel is in great shape 
has lots of pulling power.

I run on 16" rims and I think the truck was used extensively offroad.

Has anyone any comments?

Geoffrey
Concerned

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: General Queries - 110 2.5 litre petrol
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:36:46 +0100 (MET)

Hello folks,
having read that much about Blue Hylomar made me courious.
Who makes this stuff and where can I get it (in Germany)?
Thanks,
Franz, who now knows why Brummls fillscrews are allways leaking
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: re: British Reg. Letters
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 8:48:53 GMT

> >Letters that are not used are I,O,Q,U & Z giving a total number of 20. In
> >1984 >after the letter Y was used the registration plate was changed & the
> >letter A >was used again, e.g. [A 123 XYZ].

If you were the Q reg. 109 tearing down the M11 on Sunday evening (I overtook
you in another 109), your rear lights aren't working too well!

If no one has explained, Q reg are for vehicles of unknown age - eg. ex-mil.,
imported, kit-car, etc.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR "L")

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: S II Colours
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 8:54:52 GMT

> "Jan Wagemaker" <wagemaker@dataweb.nl> asked about the roof on an S II:
> >I am about to buy a 109 of 1961. It's a former Swiss fire-department car.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> probably have a choice of sand, grey, blue or - let's see, there was some 
> other colour... oh yes, bronze green. Any problem keeping it nice and 
> fire-engine red?

With Land Rovers, there's always an exception. Mine is NATO Green, but this
has been painted over the original colour. The main vehicle was Bronze
Green (surprise,surprise), but the hardtop was yellow - and almost certainly
added after demobbing. An RAF hardtop on a Gurkha truck (oh, and the
driver's door is ex-Green Howards!).
The yellow roof looks like a proper paint job - unlike the NATO or my touching
up.

Richard

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Sound proofing
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 20:09:00 EST

Mauro,
You're in luck - but then maybe not - check the article in the September 
Land Rover Wner International Page 150 where they fit a BJ Acoustic kit into 
a turbo diesel 90 SW.
If  you can't find a copy of the article, send me a fax number and I will 
fax a copy over to you.
Ron

 ----------
From: Mauro Raunich
Subject: Sound proofing
Date: Tuesday, 5 November 1996 10:53PM

I'm thinking to order a sound proofing kit for my D90-300 Tdi,does anyone
know anything about the performances of the Superkit from BJ Acoustic?
BYE!
MAURO

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From: Matthew Wild <wild@wdcc1.bnsc.rl.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:02:05 GMT
Subject: Abnormal loads

Richard Marsden wrote

> Other tales from Cambridge including fitting 12+ passengers (?14 total)
> in the standard hard top + the usual toolkits, jerry can,etc. I understand
> we were followed by the Police, but *I* didn't see them.
> Earlier in the evening I had a Police van give way for me on a narrow
> (lots of parked cars) road.  :-))

I once had a rugby team in my 110 (11 seats) + substitute + supporter (16 total) 
in the 1 mile journey through a town from changing rooms to pitch. As you can 
imagine, the players aren't exactly small and light so it was a bit of a grind 
getting up the hill to the pitch. It certainly attracted the interest of the 
shoppers as we passed through.

Matthew

Matthew Wild
M.Wild@rl.ac.uk
World Data Centre C1 - Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX

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From: kitzig@juno.com
Subject: Re: Relays
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 04:20:52 EST

I have a 91 RR, hesitates/misses while accelerating, 1900-3000 RPM, and
after 5-10 minutes of driving, but no other symptoms.  May be similar
problem so here is my experience so far.  Have traced problem to the main
and fuel pump relays located under passenger seat.  Replaced relays with
new ones (Bosch 332 014 112-850 or Beck Arnaly 2030011).  Problem is 95%
improved with new relays.  Possible loose connections or weak fuel pump
is my next  area to look at.  Previous trouble shooting for this problem
(recommendations from various shops across the country) has led to
replacing plugs, wires, dis. cap, rotor, distributor, alternator,  and
coolant sensor, ($1800.00 total so far) all to no avail.  Changing the
relays have resulted in the greatest improvement and have been the lowest
cost items ($24.00) so far.  If you purchase the relays be sure to use
the part # or equivalent, these relays have a diode installed.  If part
used do not have the diode the battery voltage will be lost overnight and
the vehicle will not start the next day.  Hope this can save you $, time
and fustration.  Its inexpensive and I would start here first if I had it
to do over again.  If anyone has any suggestions for this
hesitation/missing problem please let me know.

Thanks, Spank   
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:18:38 -0800 cascardo@ix.netcom.com (Lucas Andres
Cascardo) writes:
>Last week the check engine light lit up on my D90.  Got to the dealer 
>and they 'fixed' it, they said they found that the air flow meter 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>the problem?  
>Thanks in advance
>Lucas C. 

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Date: 6 Nov 1996 10:55:30 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: SIIA Clutch Troubles

HELP,
I have a 1968 SIIA 88" with no clutch.  I have been told that it is either the
hydraulics or the thrust(release) bearing.  The symptoms are those of an air
lock in the system.  I have recently replaced the original(I think) master
cylinder (28 yrs,not bad)and have bled the system on numerous occasions, the
only thing that this has done is to keep the clutch fluid companies in the
black.  If anyone has any advice I would be grateful. Also, does anybody know
how much I would expect to pay for a thrust bearing (I am in England,BTW, and
have seen SIII items for about £10, would this do the job or is it a different
size/shape etc). Is it an easy thing to replace?
Thanx muchly
 Mathew Stace (landyman@hotmail.com)

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Date: 6 Nov 1996 10:58:26 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIIA 88 Clutch problems (again)

>From dkenner@nrcan.gc.ca Tue Nov  5 08:55:52 1996
>Received: by emr1.emr.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>> replaced the master cylinder (original laster 28 years!!) and have also bled
>> the system on numerous occasions.  The bleeding has served no good,( apart
from
>> keeping the clutch fluid companies in business!). Basically, does anyone
have
>> any ideas or opinions as to what it could be, and how much a thrust bearing
>On a IIA you don't change the thrust bearing.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>gearbox?
>This recent?
  Yes, the lever moves, but not a long way.  Do you think that the new master
cylinder could be the problem (the troubles started just after (about 2 weeks)
after it was fitted.
thanx again

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  6 Nov 96  6:51:40 EST
Subject: Re: Land Rover speed

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