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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:36:42 -0500
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Rover Sighting

Hi all...

    This sighting is mainly for those of you living in the Ottawa Sun
distribution area. Todays Sun page 3 a pic of a Ser III. Check it out :)

Keith

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 09:52:49 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: HELLO!!???

Hello,  is this thing working???  TESTING 1 2 3.
If for some strange reason you can see this msg, please e-mail me back
so I can see if its me or the Major.

TIA
-- 
Michael E. Johnson
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm
johnsonm@rl.af.mil  (work)
johnsonm@borg.com   (play)

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 3 Nov 1996 14:45:44 MDT
Subject: Rovers

Matt,

       With regards to snapping the acceleration up on your '91 Range
Rover, here are two tips that I have proven on a dyno.
       1) Advance your ignition timing to 12 degrees before top dead
center. If you live in a very hot climate, use 9 degree. If you live at
altitudes above 5000 feet bump it to 14 degrees. This mod was worth 15hp
and 30lb-ft of torque on a '94 Discovery and you can feel it in the seat
of your pants. Your low compression 3.9L will deliver less of an
increase that the high-compression Disco but you'll like the free hp!
       2) Install a K&N air filter. This was dyno proven to produce an
extra 4.5hp at 5000rpm. Not a lot, but at about 30 bucks, cheap. Plus,
it's a forever filter. When it gets dirty (about 50K miles), clean and
reoil it and there you go. Part Number E-2350.
       Unfortunately, the limited adaptability of the Range Rover's fuel
injection system makes big power gains elusive unless you install a
recalibrated PROM.Getting serious increases usually costs$$$$$$!
       As an aside, I discovered that removing or modifying the air horn
(usually by hacksawing it off) cost between 2 and 3hp on a stock engine
because of airflow disruption.

Jim

jimallen@onlinecol.com

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:03:11 -0500
Subject: Re: 88 II fluid questions

David Cockey writes...

Use Castrol GTLMA brake fluid, available at decent imported auto parts
stores

and many others, as well as RN, etc.. Note that some other DOT 4 fluids may

not be compatible with the Girling rubber.

DOT 4 fluids may not

Dot 4 **is not** compatible, not even a litle bit, it will eat the rubber
seals, and a full rebuild will be in order, 

an old neighbor of mine put DOT 4 fluid in his healy 100, and it  ate the
rubber, quickly too, the car has now sat for 3 years.

rgds,
spenny

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway
69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 09:11:33 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: !! Re: LROA

At 06:47 PM 10/31/96, Steve Paustian <rover1@sky.net> wrote:
: >>In a message dated 96-10-30, Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com> writes:
: >>I'm glad to be a member of the LROA, and advertise it I will.
:
: I haven't recieved a bloody thing either, except one newsletter long ago.
: You guys re-organize yourselves out of existance
:
: Steven Paustian
: AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
: President, Flatland Rover Society
: 04/500 D90SW

 OK, OK!!  Enough...

 Generalissimo / El Presidente,

 Expect a review of the troops on Saturday PM, Nov 16, or anytime Sunday,
 Nov 17, in Kansas City.  Location is your choice, preferably a brew and
 pizza establishment with a large parade ground ...er, parking lot for
 all the Land Rovers; or, maybe a green(white?) laning event.   ;)

 I will personally deliver to you, and all of our Kansas City and
 surrounding area Land-Rover Owners' Association (LROA) members, the next
 issue of the Aluminum Workhorse (AW) hot off the press!!

 Flatland Rover Society, Kansas Rover Group, and all other Land Rover
 enthusiasts are welcome to attend and receive a copy of the AW as well.

 I will be staying with Mike Hoskins, 816-763-3797 for last minute updates.

 Kind regards,

 Michael Carradine
 VP LROA

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:19:00 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Grille(ing)

TeriAnn wrote:

>If you BBQ on the front grill without first removing all traces of the
>galvanizing, you may be in for some unhappy effects.

You betcha'.  Welders call it "zinc shakes" or "metal fume fever."  Got a 
dose of it myself welding on a galvanized rear frame crossmember last 
winter. Even though I spent most of my time grinding off the zinc, enough 
would still get into the arc.  *Not* a pleasant experience.  I prefer to get 
my zinc consuming a dozen 'ostrea virginica'.  Bon appetit.

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:19:04 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Ice Capades redux

>Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under it....

On one of my first trips to Vermont with the new Rover (25 years ago), I was 
ferrying several folks back to the lodge at Jay Peak.  We had quite a bit of 
powder snow, and in an otherwise clear parking lot, there was the large 
drift sitting all by itself...kinda like a Saharan "sief" dune...crescent 
shapded and all that.  Well, at the urging of several of the occupants 
(*always* a bad idea), I blasted through the center in a great splash of 
powder.  While we all chuckled over it, one of the guys said, "What if there 
had been a VW in there?"  Oy.

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 21:46:28 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Oily Conclusions!

Many thanks for the many replies about my oil pressure problem - today i
dismantled the pressure sensor and pressure switch, and i have solved
the problem.

I have a Lucas switch and a Smiths industries (original?) pressure
sensor, tee'd together onto the oil filter - the tin pressing of the oil
sensor has worn loose, allowing the sensor to revolve on the mount, thus
loosing contact with the microswitch/spring - until the motor warms up,
when contact returned - so i dismantled it, (could have used a tin
opener) applied liberal treatment of wire brush and cleaned contacts and
switch, painted the lot, and put it back together again - voila! as
usual, if it doesn't work, dismantle it, clean and paint, reassemble and
remount, and it works fine.

Oil pressure light goes out immediatly on startup, and oil pressure
shows 8immediatly) over 50 p.s.i. - does this sound better?

Thanks for your help everyone - luckily no gnashing and grinding of
teeth or bearings this time!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:33:35 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: HELLO!!???

Hello,  is this thing working???  TESTING 1 2 3.
>If for some strange reason you can see this msg, please e-mail me back
>so I can see if its me or the Major.
Strength five,mate,no problem..
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 3 Nov 1996 15:25:02 MDT
Subject: Re: @Highway Speed?

100mph from a 2.25? Downhill, perhaps or maybe with 20 grand invested
to turn it into an Indy car engine clone. Otherwise, I'd have to see it
to believe it. A box like the Series Rover, the the attending
parasitical drag of the drivetrain, needs a minimum of 150hp to attain.
100mph. In my exerience, this is unattainable with a 2.25 within
practical limits. If sombody has done it, prove me wrong and send a dyno
printout. I've driven an EFI Defender 90 V8 without the built in speed
limiter and it has trouble making 100mph with 182hp!
In overdrive at 100mph, the revs would be somewhere between 3500 and
3600 rpm -not high enough to produce that kind of powe.The engine also
cannot develop enough torque at that speed to overcome the aerodynamic
liabilities. Shift out of overdrive and you're a bit past 5000 rpm.
Having grenaded one modified 2.25 at that speed, I'm all doubts.

On a dyno, the high-compression 2.25 makes an honest 65hp. A little more
or less depending on variables. Getting 80 honest hp is a major feat.
Again, if somebody has evidence to the contrary, lets see the dyno
tests. It's a great little engine but it was built for low speed work
and that's it. If you've got the time and bucks to spare, have at it and
keep us informed with the facts.

Jim
jimallen@onlinecol.com

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@intellinet.com>
Subject: A pictorial newsletter/record for everyone
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:24:39 -0500

It is good to be on the list of the living again!

I have access to a superb colour scanner, and would like to compile a =
photo file of the following:

- Every type of LR variation irrespective of age or model, and a =
description

- LR's that are for sale, or sitting around and could possibly be =
bought, with     a contact name and phone number for interested parties

- Every variation of accessory that has been used on LR's, even =
accessories     seen on other vehicles (eg. tractors or other 4x4's) =
that might work on LR's

- Odd LR's seen about that might be of interest to other enthusiasts.

A complete copy of the growing catalogue of photos and descriptions will =
be available to anyone who contributes, printed out on a colour inkjet, =
or as a file in wordperfect, or just copies of the bitmap photofiles.  =
Posted or emailed.

The object is to compile a comprehensive file, which enthusiasts can =
make use of or just drool over (as I will). 

Any photos sent in, will be scanned ASAP, and the photos returned to =
their owners with an updated copy of the file in a newsletter type =
format, please add details or a few words of description or location if =
possible.

My postal address is :
Rod Steele
34 Luster Drive
Batesville
Arkansas
72501
or email photos.

Please participate, no contribution is a waste,
thanks,
regards Rod Steele

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 08:20:29 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: 88 II fluid questions

At 08:35 PM 11/1/96 -0800, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>At  9:08 AM 11/1/96 -0800, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>>As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>in my Land Rover.  Look for the blue Castrol brake fluid container at all
>finer automotive parts shoppes.

Simple. Had no idea that Girling clutch and brake fluid was the same as Dot
4. Once I had some input, although there is some disagreement as to what is
necessary, I went out and bought some of the Castrol GT LMA.

>TeriAnn
>twakeman@scruznet.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]

>TeriAnn
>twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:35:40 -0500
From: Brad F Worls <bworls@ovnet.com>
Subject: Re: HELLO!!???

Mike Johnson wrote:
> Hello,  is this thing working???  TESTING 1 2 3.
> If for some strange reason you can see this msg, please e-mail me back
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> johnsonm@rl.af.mil  (work)
> johnsonm@borg.com   (play)

recieved at 9:52   11/4/96

	brad

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 15:59:19 -0500
Subject: Re:Test

Test 1557

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From: "Jan Wagemaker" <wagemaker@dataweb.nl>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:24:56 +0100

I am about to buy a 109 of 1961. It's a former Swiss fire-department car.
I'll have it fitted with a hardtop. Someone knows the colour-scheme? Some
people insist that the roof "should" be white. I wonder.
Answers please at my E-mail address as well.

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 96 23:06:52 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: Re:  Axle Breathers

>They should be identical and a straight swap.  I've replaced the older 
>check valves with remotes on both axles of my 109.  No problem.  I don't see
>any reason the Salisbury should differ; same part right?

>A strong likelihood, ... or you could take out that BFH and...

Thanks for the info Jeremy, 

I'll still need to order a replacement though as I too had the BFH thought (Is 
this how we become DPOs?)
The result of 5 mins gentle tapping and the new brass breather is in 4 parts.
If anyone knows what size of steel bolt to use, I might try rejuvenating the 
threads on the axle by screwing in a bolt
of identical size to the breather.

Greetings from a still windy Scotland ... Oh look it's raining too.
Dave Lee
109 SIII Safari
Triumph TR2

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Carb and linkages
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 15:04:05 GMT

It seems that any drive greater than a hundred miles is worth a posting around
here!  :-)

Anyway, over the weekend I did the round-trip to Cambridge.
The problem with the carb. linkage was, indeed, the spring. I can't remember
who suggested this, but they were right! Of course I didn't tighten it up
properly, so when I came off the M11 at Duxford, took the foot off the pedal,
and the engine kept going...
Tonight I think I'll re-adjust it further. The throttle stop screw
(if that's the right name) is missing. Not sure if it always has been missing,
or whether it dropped out soon after the new Zenith was fitted...

Other tales from Cambridge including fitting 12+ passengers (?14 total)
in the standard hard top + the usual toolkits, jerry can,etc. I understand
we were followed by the Police, but *I* didn't see them.
Earlier in the evening I had a Police van give way for me on a narrow
(lots of parked cars) road.  :-))

Thoughts on the change from the Weber to the Zenith: On long runs, fuel
efficiency seems about the same, but short runs, it seems more inefficient.
Also, going by the smell, I seem to be dumping fuel in the exhaust under these
conditions - could be my ongoing linkage/screw problems? Also on the overrun,
I seem to backfire a bit...
On the good side, I reached 72 without trying too much, on the M11 - kept it
up for 10 seconds before I decided I might break something. Its also got much
more "go" at slower speeds - ie. more responsive to the accelerator.

FWHs: (wearing flame-proof clothing)
Use the equipment for the job!!
I'm going to add FWHs in the near future (2/3 months) - I think they'll be
worth it for me. I know people who have them, but keep them permanently locked
- these are farm people, I can fully understand why.

Whilst browsing the Web, I found the following quote:

Luke Skywalker: What a piece of junk!
Han Solo: She'll make point five past lightspeed. She may not look like much
          but she's got it where it counts, kid.
          I've made a lot of special modifications myself.

Perhaps I should rename Alice, "The Millenium Falcon" - especially if I
fit a V12 too! :-)

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:34:57 -0500
Subject: Holley Pro-jection

Jan: Both you and Jim Allen have mentioned using the Holley Pro-jection setup
as an alternative to a carb. I called both the local Holley dealer and the
Holley tech department and met with"sorry never seen it done before". Do you
have a spec. on such a setup? I know that the two barrel TBI is used on small
V-6s and Jeep 258 etc.Thanks . Cheers. Andy Blackley
I am also sending on the the LRO list. Does anyone else in Rover Land know
anything about this? It looks like the hot setup for off road.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:52:30 +0000
Subject: Update to the Celebs. list

I've updated the list of Land Rover owning celebrities.

http:\\www.tardis.ed.ac.uk\~kiz\celebs.html

I'm now adding extra details - listing who supplied the info, and if it 
has been independantly confirmed (accurancy, accountability and all 
that).

Please could people have a look at this list and tell me if you can 
confirm the names on the list.

Thanks...

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:34:04 -500
Subject: Cottage, Garden & More

A new mini-thread.  I have a theory that LR ownership permeates into 
all parts of a life.  Do you prefer a quaint English style cottage over a
Midwest ranch style home?  Wooden garage with side opening doors
to a brick sided storage with automatic overhead door?  Thatched roof 
over Asbestos shingles?  Tweed coat over slick polyester suit?

Lastly, I always read of British gardens as in " the LR over in the 
garden".  Seems vehicles always turn up in gardens.  Is the British 
use of the word "garden" different from the US vegetable and flower
bearing use of "garden"?  Garden another word for lawn?  Or did the 
LR simply get stuck and abandoned while plowing the garden?
Seriously, Mark   

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 17:42:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: test

frvfv
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover 
1972 S III 88
1967 FLH HD

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:12:18 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Camel Trophy on ESPN2

I live in a deprived area :-)  Is someone willing to tape the Camel 
Trophy for me and I will pay whatever to get the copy?  By the way, look 
at the Land Rover WWW Page from LRNA.  It has some neat stuff like local 
dealers and info on the Camel Trophy etc.  By the way, the Camel Trophy 
is supposed to be on tonight from about 7 P.M. to 8 P.M. but I don't know 
if that is eastern time or what.  The Land Rover WWW page says there is 
something else on where dealers compete in off road events to learn how 
to use the vehicle.  It is also supposed to be on ESPN this month.  Dave 
VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 00:18:05 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Axle straps

Mike Loiodice wrote:
> David Place sez...
> >.....  One other point about parts on Land Rovers, has anyone noticed
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> exactly the same width.
> Cheers
> Mike

Well I could understand the longer one going on kthe dif. side because 
the axle is a bit thicker there, but the thing came marked with the long 
one on the drivers side.  Maybe as I mentioned, they were from different 
suppliers although I bought them from the same place.  Dave VE4PN

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:20:19 +0000
Subject: Re: Magazines

> Just finished complaining about the price of LR Owner Int, got my renewal
> notice for LRW, @ 65 pounds sterling which is just short $100.

Bill,
I *did* notice in teh latest issue (from the news stand) that there 
is the option of surface mail for around 49 pounds. But I believe 
that most mail like that comes by air (at least over the pond) 
anyway.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:05:52 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield - System Manager (SERCO) X492)
Subject: Ping !

Earth calling digest, anyone there ? 

www.Land-Rover.Team.Net : Server may be down or unreachable

Someone's really shot the major this time.....

Paul.

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 17:47:16 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Web phones

i have just discovered Freetel at
http://www.freetel.com
a great internet phone, which could be great for the odd land rover chat
with fellow four-wheelers from foreign climes.

anyone on this list have freetel? It can be downloaded free at the above
address, and for a mere 29 USD there is a version called freetel+ which
allows users to access private groups. I have opened a group called
LANDROVER (the group exists only when i or another user with Freetel +
is logged onto freetel.

Anyone care for a meet? it's great!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 18:00:28 -0500
From: Brad F Worls <bworls@ovnet.com>
Subject: subscriptions

hello,

	Would someone be able to supply me with contact information, address
and telephone number, of LROI and LORA.  I wish to subscribe to AW and
LROI.
	Thanks in advance!
		Brad

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:34:06 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: LROA

 that is because the same
>people who worked their tails off to try to keep things together were
>getting tired of doing all of the work. Steve, Dom, Bob-n-Sue (not to
>mention others, I forget the names) and especially Brad deserve a standing
>ovation for all the time they put into the
>organization!
I agree, these people deserve to be recognized for their hard work and
devotion to a non-paying and difficult duty.  My wife Lorri and I have
first hand knowledge of trying to do a similar job and know how tough it
can be!!!

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:14:36 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Undeliverable message

>> 04/500 D90SWWHAT IS WITH ALL THESE..UNDELIVERABLE REPLIES..THEY ARE
>>GUMMING UP MY
>MAILBOX??

I don't have any idea.  If its my fault I apologize, but I can't think of
anything I've done to make it happen, nor do I know how to stop it.  If it
makes you feel any better, its happening to me too!!!  Got 100 messages
today, half of them undeliverable!
Steve

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 10:15:26 -500
Subject: Conversions

How do those Chevy or Ford inline six conversions work out?  Does it 
overstress the drivetrain?  I am told that a lot of adaptors are 
sold.  Does this adapt from the engine to the LR gearbox?  On a 
deeper level, is it still a LR?  I ask, do you drive it more as a 
result?  If yes, then by all means....  M 

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 17:55:02 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Cottage, Garden & More

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> A new mini-thread.  I have a theory that LR ownership permeates into
> all parts of a life.  Do you prefer a quaint English style cottage over a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> bearing use of "garden"?  Garden another word for lawn?  Or did the
> LR simply get stuck and abandoned while plowing the garden?
> Seriously, Mark
i think you may be right about LR culture permeating every aspect of the
owners life and habits - i am in the film and tv industry, which is
about as high tech as you can get these days, but i still find myself
waxing lyrical about old equipment - lighting, tripods, even cameras,
which by comparison to the latest new gear are a little dated, but
which, like a good old series truck, are just built to last - as
technology improves, our professional and consumer equipment is built to
last/survive less years, so the gear of yesteryear, whilst not being
completly "IN", seems to be built to last forever - my old cameras could
be used for knocking nails in - they don't have all the new digital
bells and whistles, but if you are a photographer worth your salt, they
work just fine - haven't we encountered that with our vehicles?

English garden = flowers and shrubs, grass and trees - but vegetable
garden is for vegetables and fruit. Herb garden for herbs. you call it
the yard i believe - here in denmark (in danish that is) the yard is
gaarden - which is also the same word as for a farm. Well there we are,
two peoples divided by a common language!

-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:01:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hotter coils, welded points

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:
>> Oh c'mon Dixon....welcome to the 20th century...it won't hurt to switch it 
>> over,  really it won't.  :)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>	connections for the transistors and reverse the feeds to them.  Of
>	course, there is always that article on how to make your own.
Might be pretty difficult.  The eletronics seem to be quite well sealed in a 
very small casing...possibly sealed in molten plastic.  Great for longevity bot 
not so for tinkering....

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:01:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Door bottom deep in a snow bank:(

First, I resent being labled as some sort of yahoo that doesn't give a rat's ass 
about safety....ask anyone who knows me, I'm exuberant but I've never put anyone 
in danger.

I would never have climbed any snowbanks under those circumstances without 
having a winch available.  We're also not talking about brand-new banks, either. 
These were the large ones that sat around for several months last winter.  
Plenty solid to support a Rover temporarily...

As far a driving like a fool in the snow is concerned....please don't tell me!  
I've scraped more than my share of people out of flipped SUVs ... I know all too 
well what happens when you drive like a maniac.  I've got the blood-stained 
clothes to prove it! 

As far as driving with chains is concerned, I guarantee I had four times the 
stopping ability than any other vehicle out there.  Never was there any 
appreciable risk to persons or property.  I don't play that game.

Excuse my somewhat harsh response, but I feel very strongly about the fools that 
get out there and make the rest of us look bad....that's why I drive a Rover! I 
understand that was your motivation as well but it touches a nerve.

Frustration vented...

Eric

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 21:08:05 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: New Rovers.

Hi all,

I must start off by saying I owe Chris Stevens and his son a great deal
of thanks. Between the two of them, they rode 16 hours with me to
transport 2 rovers back home this weekend.  Both are in rough shape. 
Frames are so-so to bad, both are complete but presently not running. 
Both seem to have good braking power (score one for the servos) but one
of them has a frozen clutch.  Body work is good on one while the other
needs doorposts and possibly footwells.
One of them was featured in Peterson's 4 wheeler (? I guess that's the
magazine) several years ago.  Maybe someone saw it.
Anyway, they may look rough now but in a few months...

Nate (tired of driving)

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 21:04:03 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Charging--I figured it out.

I haven't recieved my original post about this (or any other LRO mail for
about a day now), but I've figured out the problem.

At the suggestion of someone from Rovers North (I talked to them on
Friday), I tested the generator today.  I connected the 'D' and 'F' wires
together, and put the probe of my test lamp there, too, while the ground
clip was attached to the ground terminal of the battery.  Guess what?  No
voltage generated.  Man, does Joe Lucas, Prince Of Darkness, have it in for
me this month(s)!  However, I may have buggered it myself along the way (I
don't know how, but it's a possibility).  I guess BritPac will be getting
some more of my cash (plasic?) this week.  

I was thinking today that Land-Rovers must be the only vehicles that both
require this much work and inspire the desire to do it.  

C
'65 IIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:05:46 +0100
From: SCOTT STERN <scottstern@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

unsubscribe lro-digest

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 10:06:03 EST
From: krm@mtnms.mt.lucent.com (K.MOHLENHOFF)
Subject: Bumper hitch/weak link

Hello;
If I bolt a pintle(?) hitch to the center of my standard Land-Rover front
bumper, would there be any problems towing the rover a short distance using a
3' tow bar connected between this hitch and the rear hitch of another vehicle?

Could I also use this hitch as a recovery point?

Keith R. Mohlenhoff
Staten Island, NY
63 IIA 109 SW 2.25D
71 IIA 88 2.25P

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:05:02 -500
Subject: Castrol GTLMA Dot 4 Clarify?

Spenny, regarding your latest Dot 4 posting, explain again your 
caution.  Are you saying Castrol GTLMA Dot 4 fluid will destroy 
British rubber?  I have used this fluid for years, and on a 56 
Austin-Healey 100 BN2 as your friend.  Never have I had a failure 
resulting from fluid/rubber compatibility.  Did you mean to say 
that other brand of Dot 4 fluids will damage British rubber?
Please clarify.  M 

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:46:49 +0100 (MET)
From: Paul Snoek <P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl>
Subject: PSI conversions.

Nows someone the conversions off " PSI " in bar, etc. ?

Greeting,
Paul
the Netherlands
D90 1984 V8 Autom.

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:17:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Charging--I figured it out.

On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Christopher H. Dow wrote:
> At the suggestion of someone from Rovers North (I talked to them on

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Friday), I tested the generator today.  {snip,snip}
   {snip,ship}  I guess BritPac will be getting some more of my cash 
                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  (plasic?) this week.

 
i try to give my business to people that give me the tech advise.
if no advice is given, then i feel free to buy it wherever.  it
is just one of my hangups...

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:27:07 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: LRO, LROI, LROA, AOL et al

Can someone explain what/who/where LROI and LROA is - maybe i'm dumb,
maybe i just a european, maybe I just haven't heard the answer yet!

I still think we could use a landy-lexicon - make it more fun for
newbies! 
-- 
adrian redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:46:46 +0000
Subject: Nifty GPS resource

One thing to bear in mind with GPSs is that I am told that 
some/most/all will suffer from the Millenuim Bug and become 
hopelessy inaccurate as thier clocks pack up? Is this an urban myth 
or not? (I wont be buying one anyway till it just comes as a minimalist 
function on a wristwatch - just position and direction between two readings.)

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 09:26:30 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Series Land Rover colours

At 06:24 PM 11/3/96 +0100, Jan Wagemaker <wagemaker@dataweb.nl> wrote:
>I am about to buy a 109 of 1961. It's a former Swiss fire-department car.
>I'll have it fitted with a hardtop. Someone knows the colour-scheme? Some
>people insist that the roof "should" be white. I wonder.

 On civilian vehicles, the roof, rear side windows, and wheel rims are
 usually Limestone (light beige) or Alpine White (bright white) depending
 on the colour of the lower body.  These colours require a white primer.
 Of course being a fire department vehicle, anything goes, eh??  See a
 copy of LROi or LRW magazine for many fine examples of Land Rover colour
 schemes. 

 Regards from California,

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:31:30 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: NEXT SUMMER

I'm toying with the idea of getting together with a crowd of land rover
owners from europe and making a camping-convoy from denmark to the north
of norway (nordkap) to camp and grill under the midnight sun - any LRO's
interested in such a expedition - strictly informal, family fun, (though
i may film some of the action)

This could be a fun trip, but it needs an international element for real
success - anyone interested - no plans made regarding dates or routes,
plenty of time for that when we are a crowd!

-- 
adrian redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:32:30 -0500
Subject: LS Sighting

(Forgive me if this was mentioned already!)
There's a mention of Bill Burke and his Land Rover starting on/about page
96.... November's National Geographic...Colorado's Front Range article.

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'95 Disco "Great White"
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:40:33 -0600
From: Joel Guerra <guerra@mail.teamcmi.com>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe lro

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:12:21 -0500
Subject: Another vew....

You wrote "Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of
other
"Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
English friends might today be speaking German."

And our beloved Land Rovers would probably have a three-pointed star hood
ornaments on them too!

(Sorry... couldn't resist... won't happen again.)

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'95 Disco "Great White"
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:03:16 -0500
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

Taylor ("Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>) writes: 

LR BBQ,

Has anybody direct experience open fire BBQing with a Series 

grille?  True that the grid openings are so large a half chicken

is the smallest piece to not fall through?  Mark 

taylor-mark,
the grills of series land rovers are made of several different materials,
depending on the vintage (of the rover, not the chicken). series owners tend
to buy a rover that lends itself to a particular, preferred cooking style.
this is usually a primary concern to soundness of frame, completeness of
engine, or availability of title.

SIII, plastic: 
which leads to your chicken having a tough outer coating that cant be cut
with plastic forks and knives of the type one tends to find at BBQs, but
leaves the chicken juicy and tender on the inside, albeit with a slightly
silver color. these are preferred by the handyman types because the outer
coating is so resistant to 90 wt, diesel, wayoyl, and other things that might
lead to unpleasant taste while eating and lying under the truck working on
the drivetrain.
examples of this type of owner would be dave bobeck who has also modified his
overdrive to grind beef or chicken, (bones, skin, eyes and all) or benjamin
allan smith, who will eat anything provided he runs it over, and seasons it
on the front bumper for at least 1200 miles, which for ben is about every
other day.

SII, SIIA, galvanised steel:
with no hard plastic coating, the chicken is lent an unpleasant zinc taste,
which after suitable brain damage actually becomes quite tasty, this brain
damage leads to  further land rover purchases, or in its most extreme cases
J**P purchases. these are preferred by the *experimenter* type land rover
owner, these dishes are seasoned with whatever is at hand. galvanic corrosion
residue is very popular, as is hypoid, waxoy (only if one can find lemons),
WD40 (lubricant or not it is tasty), dirt, sand, mud, the stuff that
accumulates on the floorboards.
examples:
dixon kenner, who actually has a different rover for each of his favorite
seasonings
russ dushin, who as a professional chemist, brings all sorts of tasty
compounds to cook with.
jeff berg, who actually keeps a locker of assorted meats and spices in the
back of his rover

Late SIIA, galvanised steel:
same as above, just bigger appetites (larger grill area)
examples:
bill maloney, although to facilitate a diet a couple of years ago, bill
switched the whole front end to that of an early IIA. (engine, axles,
steering relay and all)
Bill Callocia, who actually sold his 69 and bought a range rover to
experiment with nouvelle cuisine.

stage one, plastic dipped galvanised steel
the reason these rovers are so popular has nothing to do with the V8 engine,
it has to do with the combination of the hard plastic coating, and the tangy
zinc flavoring.
example:
eric zipkin, who has eaten so much chicken cooked on his grill, or perhaps it
was all those years growing up eating off the grill of his fathers SII, has
rendered himself utterly irresistible to girls between the years of 11-15.

about myself?, anyone can tell you that i dont really care much about food.

rgds,
spenny

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway
69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

BTW,
you wrote....
I also saw a photo of a 11A 109 towing a 105 howitzer.  What engine would
that vehicle have?  
stock 2.25, with the special military grill for forty option, call lanny at
RN, they have a used one in stock now.

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:45:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO, LROI, LROA, AOL et al

On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Can someone explain what/who/where LROI and LROA is - maybe i'm dumb,
> maybe i just a european, maybe I just haven't heard the answer yet!

	LROI is the magazine Land Rover Owner International (to distinguish
	 it from this list, which is LRO, which is also used for the 
	 magazine on this list.  Context...

	LROA is the Land Rover Owners Association, a very large western USA
	 based club that has had a few internal problem of late, but may
	 be getting over said problems.

	LRW = Land Rover World (A competitor to LROI)

	Mentioned club acronyms you see from time to time:
	BSROA = Bay State Rover Owners Association (New England based club)
	ROAV  = Rover Owners of Virginia (mid-Atlantic states, USA)
	OVLR  = Ottawa Valley Land Rovers (Canadian club)
	TARC  = Toronto Ontario Rover Club (southwestern Ontario club)
	SS    = Solihull Society (central USA club)
	BRLRC = Blue Ridge Land Rover Club (southern USA club)
	PCRC  = Pacific Coast Rover Club (northwestern USA)
	SLROS = Southern Land Rovers Owners Society (southern USA)

	Anything else?

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 22:46:42 +0300
From: "Michael J. Pitts" <mjpitts@qatar.net.qa>
Subject: Unsubscribe

unsubscribe land-rover-owner mjpitts@qatar.net.qa

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:13:52 -500
Subject: LeastCostMagazineSolution?

Pool all of your NA LRW subscription funds.  Hold a monthly lottery for 
one participant to fly to the UK, take holiday, and return with a crate of 
mags.  Distribute @ NA postal rates to all participants upon return. M  

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:56:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Watneys?

At 09:42 AM 11/1/96 -0500, you wrote:
>	How about throwing in a case of Anchor Steam, (from your town?)!

There are only 4 beers I would buy on a regular basis:  Guinness (of
course), Bass (a bit lighter than Guinness, doesn't hit me as quick), Anchor
(Steam, Porter, or LibAle), and Black Dog (Owned by an LRO, and damned
good).  Other than that, it's hard to find good stuff without a) paying with
your first born (not that I mind, but I haven't got any) or b) travelling to
the ends of the earth (which I'd love to do, but can't afford.)  The canucks
have some good beers, though, and they're not too far away.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:07:50 -0500
Subject: Re:RRO Real time list info

could someone please tell me how to subscribe to the rro real time list?
I have tried a few ways with no success
Thanks
Steve Bradke    72 S lll 88  ( for sale )
                       68 S lla 88
                       96 Discovery 

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From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 19:02:36 +0100
Subject: Re: 

Jan Wagemaker wrote:
> I am about to buy a 109 of 1961. It's a former Swiss fire-department car.
> I'll have it fitted with a hardtop. Someone knows the colour-scheme? Some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> people insist that the roof "should" be white. I wonder.
> Answers please at my E-mail address as well.

Hi Jan,
I'm dutch (oooohhh) and if I'm guess correctly you're going to buy this
landrover from a 'dealer' in Heemskerk. 
If so please be warned. There extremely overpriced, don't have a clue
what they're doing (I've seen there welding!) and I personally wouldn't
trust them further than I can throw 'em.
Having said that, I don't want to spoil your buying of a (possibly) fine
Landrover, but just be carefull, check the car out well because
afterservice is something they've never heard of.
And of course correct me if I'm wrong. (you would be the first to do
so!)
Congratulations in advance,
FLoris houniet.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:04:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Another vew....

> And our beloved Land Rovers would probably have a three-pointed star hood
> ornaments on them too!

or the spinning propeller? ;-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:37:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Holley Pro-jection

AKBLACKLEY@aol.com wrote:
> Jan: Both you and Jim Allen have mentioned using the Holley Pro-jection setup
> as an alternative to a carb. I called both the local Holley dealer and the
> Holley tech department and met with"sorry never seen it done before". Do you

	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
not surprised, I found those guys to be useless..

> have a spec. on such a setup? I know that the two barrel TBI is used on small
> V-6s and Jeep 258 etc.Thanks . Cheers. Andy Blackley
> I am also sending on the the LRO list. Does anyone else in Rover Land know
> anything about this? It looks like the hot setup for off road.

Andy,
the Holley Pro-Jection 2bbl (670 cfm max, upto 350 HP) PN is 502-1, $545 from Jegs (1-800-345-4545,
open 24 hrs - THANK GOD! :)
The 4bbl PJ is PN504-2 (700 cfm) and 504-1 (900 cfm) - for when you put the blower on your
bored/stroked v8 :)
The older style has 3 tuning knobs - low-end, mid-range and accel.  The new units
have a programmable interface, and can work with a closed-loop O2 sensor ($200 extra).
I have heard mixed reports about the reliability of it, though.
I have an old unit, but haven't tried it yet.
rgds
Jan

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 13:05:40 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Your butt will send you a thank you card....

...if you renew the foam in the driver's seat of your truck. I spent 
about  6 bucks and half an hour and it has made a world of difference!
Tools: flat screwdriver and Arrow staplegun. 3/8 ths staples.
Step one: Remove all the hardware from the bottom of the seat cushion. 
Step two: Pull out all the staples and gently remove the cover.
Step three: Cut new foam to fit ( I used 4 inch thick material ) remember 
to bevel the back edge. Use a sharp bread knife.
Step four: Replace cover. Start at the back and begin stapling from the 
center out. then do the sides and finally the front. Push and pull as you 
go and be sure to line up the screw holes in the fabric with those on the 
wood so that you don't run into fitting trouble. 
Step five: Replace hardware and reinstall seat.

Note: You S3 owners may want to build up the blosters a bit by adding a 
little more foam to the edges. Glue on bits with contact cement. Also try 
different densities for a custom ride!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:25:57 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Birth Certificate

I just got back from tramping around the Central Arctic for a week and found
a nice letter frim John Riley, LR Traceability, which has solved a
perplexing problem in regard to my SII.

When I moved the beast from Ottawa I ran into a problem with Alberta Motor
Vehciles branch.  They had the serial number listed as a 1968 SIIa and I
knew I had a 1959 SII.

Well Mr Riley's letter has confirmed my view of things so there won't be any
more bureaucratic problems but what's really neat about the letter is that
he was able to tell me that my machine was built on, or about, May 28. 1959.
An actual birthdate to be celebrated probably with a cake and a present of
an oil change.

But also with the letter came a photocopy of the page in Land Rover's
records listing my vehicle.  It's fascinating to see where those 35 or so
machines went.  Vancouver, S. Africa, Costa Rica, Boston, Denmark, San
Francisco etc.

I can see now how people get hooked on geneology.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:17:22 -0500
Subject: Re: ESPN broadcasts

HELP!!!!!

Thru my stupidity, I forgot to tape the TReK 96 program last night.  Anyone
got a copy I could borrow?  Will it be rebroadcast?

TIA

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:03:53 -0500
Subject: LRW 11/96: "Special USA Feature" ????

LRW November '96
Front cover: yellow sticker proclaiming "Special USA Feature"
p. 141 Single page insipid summary of North American club newsletters, only
NA content. (Does LRW consider Canada part of US?)

Maybe the stickers were left over from the Oct '96 issue which had real NA
features: Downeast VIII (5 pgs) & scouting for off-road challenge in NV (3
pgs). Same sticker on Nov issue is misleading at best. 

Its surprising that both LRW & LROI are competing for NA readers. Generally
magazines make profits by selling advertisers access to potential customers.
I don't think many of their advertisers do much business in NA, but maybe so.

LRW purchased at Barnes & Noble 11/2/96 for $6.50, less than airmail or
surface subscription. (Pound was around $1.63 US on Thursday). Don't know
whether to subscribe again or haunt B&N. I did miss the August issue.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 10:19:40 -0800
From: bruce.curtis@Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Curtis)
Subject: Re: HELLO!!???

> Hello,  is this thing working???  TESTING 1 2 3.
> If for some strange reason you can see this msg, please e-mail me back
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> johnsonm@rl.af.mil  (work)
> johnsonm@borg.com   (play)
The T1 to the Major died sometime late Sat (11/2), as luck would have it
i was off on vaction till this morn and nobody else able to fix it noticed.

At any rate, it's back up and running.

Bruce.
'95 Disco

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:15:39 -500
Subject: BBQ Reconsidered

Gosh Spenny, I didn't know there was such variety to LR grille 
spicing.  To avoid the harm of zinc contamination, I have instead
decided to strap my dinner to the exhaust header.  I now need to 
investigate cooking temperatures and calculate rotation intervals. 
M 

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:22:28 -500
Subject: MagFeature

Check out the latest posted British mag with the MGA story on the
cover.  Contained within is an interesting LR story.  Sorry, I cannot 
recall the mag name.  My friend turned of the light before I could 
close the cover and it was gone when I awoke.  M  

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:58:44 -0500
From: NateDunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Charging--I figured it out.

Ray Harder wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Christopher H. Dow wrote:
> > At the suggestion of someone from Rovers North (I talked to them on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> i try to give my business to people that give me the tech advise.
> if no advice is given, then i feel free to buy it wherever.  it
> is just one of my hangups...
I follow the same doctrine.  That's why RN has gotten so much of my
business.
I figure the RN price includes the tech support.

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:10:05 -0500
Subject: November National Geograpic

(Forgive me if this way mentioned already!)
There's a mention of Bill Burke and his Land Rover starting on/about page
96.... November's National Geographic...Colorado's Front Range article.

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'95 Disco "Great White"
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 13:51:40 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: HELLO!!???

Thanks for all the replies,  I guess it broke the log-jam.  I now have
79 messages to read.  Again thanx I wuz'bout to go into withdraws...

-- 
Michael E. Johnson
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm
johnsonm@rl.af.mil  (work)
johnsonm@borg.com   (play)

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:16:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "M. ABERCROMBIE" <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: Stainless Brake Lines

Has anyone on the list fitted stainless brake lines on their Rover?  I want
do it to mine, but I can't find a flaring tool that will flare stainless.
Any experiences or suggestions?
Thanks.

Matt Abercrombie
`69 SWB HT
Belfast, Maine

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:22:35 -0800
From: Christopher Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Alternators to replace generators

Since my generator is buggered, and I've already converted to -VE, I
thought I'd replace the generator with an alternator.  I have a couple of
questions, though.  How do I short the wires going to the voltage regulator
if I buy a Lucas alternator with two wires, vs. how do I short the wires
going to the VR if I buy a Delco alternator, which only has one wire coming
off?

Thanks,
C
'65 SIIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD

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From: "Rick Larson" <rlarson@vineyard.mti.sgi.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:30:46 -0800
Subject: Re: LS Sighting

> He made it into the December issue of Four Wheeler, too.  And is that
> Rick Larson's Black D90 sporting the Safari Gard Bumper?

Yes.

>Anybody else
> on the list own any of the other D90s pictured in the article?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> including an article on modifying a TJ to get a perfect 1000 on the
> ramp.

The TJ is a good vehicle.  Not a LR, but still well designed.  Great
Softtop. LR could learn a trick or two.

> --
> Jeff Gauvin
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> '71 Fiancee
>-- End of excerpt from Jeff Gauvin

Greg's Jeep-Eater Kit should do 1000 on a 20 degree (Four Wheeler) ramp.
His ramp is 25 degrees.  For development purposes his original 20 degree
ramp was a flop.  Most of his modified LR were scoring a 1000+.  (Including
the 110!)

Kinda of cool.

-Rick

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:06:44 -0500
Subject: Bleeding brakes

The brakes on my 88" ('63) have been a two-step system since I purchased the
vehicle.  The first step sinks to the floor and I get great brakes on the
second push.  It holds pressure very well.

I *think* that everything is assembled correctly.  I've replaced the front
shoes, several adjusters, the front hoses and have the rear brakes on-order.
 I can't adjust the rear brakes which I assume is a mechanical limitation in
the shoes or the drum.  Rear shoes are on order and I'll replace the drums if
necessary.

The double pump concerns me.  I've been told that the old style master
cylinder is difficult to bleed.  The suggestion was to raise the front of the
vehicle and then bleed the brakes.

Two questions:  how high is high enough and is it necessary to bleed all four
wheels?  If it's air in the master, is bleeding the wheel closest to the
master cylinder sufficient?  Any other suggestions?  

TIA...
Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"
'95 Disco "Great White"

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:11:29 +0001
Subject: Re: Another vew....

> > And our beloved Land Rovers would probably have a three-pointed star hood
> > ornaments on them too!
 
> or the spinning propeller? ;-)

Haven't you heard?. LR is out with a new model to replace the 
Defender. It's called the Attacker. New logo and everything.
Check out http://www2.dk-online.dk/users/svels/newmod.htm
for the latest industrial espionage. 

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:26:03 -0500
Subject: FWH on RR (was Re: Blonde in a Jeep)

Not letting a long overdrawn thread die, Peter notes:
> BTW, did you know that you can't use fwh's on a Range Rover?

Actually, if the RR has the pre-BW transfer case with center diff lock, you
can use FWHs on a RR (or a 90/110/130/Disco, or even a Stage 1) by locking
the center diff. Shall we continue this thread with reasons to do so.

Regards,
David Cockey
'60 SII SW w/o FWH
'60 SII PU w/ FWH

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 21:18:32 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: LRO, LROI, LROA, AOL et al

Dixon Kenner wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Adrian Redmond wrote:
> > Can someone explain what/who/where LROI and LROA is - maybe i'm dumb,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>         SLROS = Southern Land Rovers Owners Society (southern USA)
>         Anything else?

thanks Dixon - I knew i could rely on you - I though LROA stood for
"Long  Reach Over America! which i suppose is more appropriate than
"Just Every Expensive Part"

thanks
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:52:38 -0800
From: Christopher Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Charging--I figured it out.

At 11:17 AM 11/4/96 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Christopher H. Dow wrote:
>> At the suggestion of someone from Rovers North (I talked to them on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>if no advice is given, then i feel free to buy it wherever.  it
>is just one of my hangups...

I guess I failed to mention the hours I'd spent in email and on the phone
with BritPac guys during this entire ordeal--including an evaluation of my
mechanic (from whom I retrieved the vehicle).  I only called RN after I
purchased an ignition switch from them.  So, if the decision came down to
who gave me more advice, then BritPac wins, hands down.  Not to mention
that they sell what I want (a Delco Alternator), and RN doesn't.  

C

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:55:25 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: British Reg. letters and Magazines

I know this was touched on recently but could someone explain the British
vehicle registration system. My understanding is that all vehicles are
assigned a registration ID that includes letters and numbers and that the
first character, a letter, indicates the year in which the vehicle was
*first* registered. I would like to know what the current (1996) letter is
and what letters are *not* used, if any. This way, I can figure out how old
the vehicles are that are written about in LROi.

I must say, also, that I am happy w/LROi and I subscribe because I can not
rely on my local bookstore (Borders) to have it with any consistency. I
*would* like to know, however, if anyone knows where I can get a copy of
LRW in the northern Wash. DC/Silver Spring/Bethesda/Rockville/Gaithersburg
area.

Thanks all!

David Russell
1969 IIA SWB

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 03:58:15 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Looking for 109/88

Saw this request on a local BB.  Thought it might be of interest to
someone.  I don't know this guy, and I haven't seen his post here, so here
goes.  Contact HIM, NOT ME.
-Bob

Seeking:

        Land Rover 109  or 88 Series II, IIA, or III -

        AS-IS condition- but good body, need NOT have good
        running gear/chassis/engine! Need parts/body.

        Will pick up within 250 miles of Albany NY, or maybe
        more!

        Looking for the vehicles or LEADS and CONTACTS to find
        one!

        Your help is appreciated! Maybe there's one in a field or
        on a lot near you!

        Phone: 518 756 9894 (24hrs)

        Thanks,

                                _-_-randy

                                randy@rdrc.rpi.edu <--- email here!

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 4 Nov 1996 14:03:24 MDT
Subject: Holley Pro-jection

Andy,

       The small 2bbl ProJection is the one you'll want. I've heard a
fair number of complaints from off-roaders in general about the early
generation Holly setup but these appear to have died down. Calibration
probl;ems and failed control units seemed the major compliants. Have no
personal experience either way.
       Howell also builds a unit that mny folks like but the Holly is
the least expensive right now. I wouldn't be afraid to try either setup
on a Rover V8 since you calibrate the units to each engine. It's
actually a little more flexible than the Rover system though not quite
as efficent (throttle body versus port injection). If you get one, keep
us informed!

Jim

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@ae.aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:15:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Another vew....

> Check out http://www2.dk-online.dk/users/svels/newmod.htm
> for the latest industrial espionage. 

:-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: paulc@postoffice.durango.mjt.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:18:06 -0600
Subject: PTO winch for sale

A friend recently picked up another rover, this time with a functional Koen=
ig
PTO winch
which he is not interested in.  Any offers?  I will pass on any offers. 
Respond directly please.
It is located in Durango Colorado.

1970 SIIA
Paul Clay
paulc@optimark-tech.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:41:15 -0500
From: "Jeffrey L. Goldman" <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: Re: FWH

At 09:29 AM 11/2/96 -0500, Mike Loiodice wrote:

 David asks...

>>I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
>>unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out

 Then Mike responded...

>The thing to look out for with those hubs is that if the detent balls that
>hold the levers in place wear out, the levers can flip out on thier own and
>cause all sorts of problems. Other than that, they are peobebly OK.

 And I'll complain...

       These are the worst FWHs. I despise them greatly, and will be taking
them off my truck when it gets back on the road after the re-build.
        For one, the detent balls on my mine don't exist. That means, the
levers are free to flop around any which way, any time. I've resorted to
hammering pennies between the levers and the hub body as shims to keep
things in place. That actually works.
        Secondly, there's no way of telling whether the hubs are engaged or
not, short of jacking up the vehicle and visually inspecting. One lever
could be engaged, and the other not engaged. And, the only way to check is
to pull the hubs completely, or jack up the vehicle and rotate each lever
individually to see what happens. Big pain in the ass.
        IMO, if you want FWHs, David, replace the ones you have with a set
of Warns or similar. Something that you can twist, and know whether or not
they're engaged or not. Or, permanently lock you're existing hubs.
        
                                                        Jeff...
Boston, MA
1971 88" Series IIA Land Rover (the Get Away vehicle)
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD (the Getaway vehicle)

Fusion Films, Inc. 

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 96 21:50:59 UT
From: "MARK & ANNIE " <MARK_ANNIE@msn.com>
Subject: RE: British Reg. letters and Magazines

	The British Registration letter system started in 1963. The registration 
plate consists of three numbers a group of three letters & a single letter. 
For example in 1963 a registration plate would have been [XYZ 123 A].
	Letters that are not used are I,O,Q,U & Z giving a total number of 20.
In 1984 after the letter Y was used the registration plate was changed & the 
letter A was used again, e.g. [A 123 XYZ].
	The plates run from the 1st of August to the 31st July each year so for this 
year from Jan to Aug the letter was N e.g [N 123 ABC] now the letter is P e.g 
[P 123 ABC].
	For your series IIA the letter would have been either G or H depending 
whether it was registered before or after August.
	 Sorry I can't help with the magazines

		regards Mark Aylett

----------
From: 	David Russell
Sent: 	04 November 1996 20:55
Subject: 	British Reg. letters and Magazines

I know this was touched on recently but could someone explain the British
vehicle registration system. My understanding is that all vehicles are
assigned a registration ID that includes letters and numbers and that the
first character, a letter, indicates the year in which the vehicle was
*first* registered. I would like to know what the current (1996) letter is
and what letters are *not* used, if any. This way, I can figure out how old
the vehicles are that are written about in LROi.

I must say, also, that I am happy w/LROi and I subscribe because I can not
rely on my local bookstore (Borders) to have it with any consistency. I
*would* like to know, however, if anyone knows where I can get a copy of
LRW in the northern Wash. DC/Silver Spring/Bethesda/Rockville/Gaithersburg
area.

Thanks all!

David Russell
1969 IIA SWB

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 23:16:32 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: British Reg. letters and Magazines

David Russell wrote:
> I know this was touched on recently but could someone explain the British
> vehicle registration system. My understanding is that all vehicles are
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> David Russell
> 1969 IIA SWB
I left the uk in 1983 - but as far as i remember the registration system
works like this -

the numbering system before 1964 was three letters and 3 numbers - like
KNO 202 from this you could also see the county which the vehicle was
first registered in - KN being designation for a county (I forget which)

the same system followed from 1964, with the addition of a suffix letter
after the numbers - the letter changing each year. for example HWC 243A
such a vehicle was referred to as A-reg.

for some reason 1964 used both A and B, the other letters being used one
each year, skipping I and O and Q which could be confused with numbers
at a distance. By the time they got to Z in 85 ot 86, they had to
reinvent the system as many vehicles of the early A,B,C, etc series were
still on the road (including many land rovers) so they reversed the
sequence to be a prefix letter, three numbers followed by three letters
- A378 BWC for example.

Somewhere along the way, the regional identity encoded in the lettering
had dissappeard I think, mainly because of local government
reorganisation in the 80's I believe.

There is a different numbering system for motor-bikes, agricultural
vehicles, steam-rollers, invalid-carriages and other special vehicles.

A trailer in the UK (trailer, caravan, or towed vehicular appliance like
a generator or compressor, must carry the number plate of the towing
vehicle. (On the continent such trailers are registered seperatly -
supposedly for safety reasons, but probably because it gicves extra tax
revenue!)

Unlike most European countries, where the license plate is also proof of
payed vehicle tax, and thus can be removed by the police if the tax is
not paid, the UK system is different. The registration number is given
to the vehicle at birth (when first registered with the autorities) and
barring re-registration, remains with the car until it is scrapped.

Scrapped numberplates, often with interesting letter/number combinations
like LRO 1 - are bought and sold privately, and can be used to
re-register a car with the desired number. Some number plates are sold
for extremely high prices.

Vehicles carry a paper tx disk in the window for a year (or four
months?) at a time. Additionally, all cars have to have a valid MOT
(Ministry of transport) Inspection certificate, which is issued by
approved mechanics/garages once a year stating that the vehicle was safe
to drive on the day of inspection. The vehicle must be insured for risks
to third parties.

In denmark we have another system - the number plate is your "receipt"
for registration and payment of road-tax (weight-tax - based on the
weight and motor c.c. of the car) - the safety inspection is carried out
by the state public workshops, and if the vehicle is not presented for
inspection, or if it fails and is not passed within a certain period of
time, the police are notified, and they come and take your number
plates. the same is the case for insurance payments.

Sorry I can't be more specific about the UK, maybe someone else will
come to your aid!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: "Rick Keller" <keller1@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Desert Rovers
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:42:22 -0500

Just got back a few weeks ago from a deployment to the middle of nowhere in
Saudi Arabia.  We were setting up a new air base and my unit happened to be
one of the first to get the ball rolling out there (communications
equipment).  

We also took some of our unit's vehicle mechanics with us to repair some
hummers we scrounged from a nearby vehicle boneyard.  But after we got
through being industrious, and the rest of the units rolled in, they just
contracted for Discos.  I guess we learned our lesson.

I also saw a local Series II, that looked like it had spent it's first few
hundred thousand miles hauling camels to the races.

Rick Keller
'96 Disco
 

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:25:37 GMT
Subject:       Re: Watneys

Grotneys more like.

Luminition, absolute cr-p, when mine failed (years ago), stranded 
miles from town, got a tow from a passing 10 tonner. Fit a new set of 
points, condenser, etc then an electronic switching/boosting unit. If 
it fails you still have everything to get you home, already fitted.

Might as well speak german, our current gov. seems to be going that 
way, ban everything, Pistol shooting, knives (just a tool afterall),
green laning, bull bars. And as our police federation likes to tell 
us we  don't have a written constitution, so don't complain, too...Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 18:07:34 -0500
From: Tre McCroskey <tmccroskey@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: LS Sighting

     You wrote:            
Greg's Jeep-Eater Kit should do 1000 on a 20 degree (Four Wheeler) ramp.
His ramp is 25 degrees.  For development purposes his original 20 degree
ramp was a flop.  Most of his modified LR were scoring a 1000+.  (Including
the 110!)

Kinda of cool.

-Rick

--------what article was this in and what 110 scored the 1000 on the ramp
test?
I met Greg in Crested Butte this summer and saw a 110 that he had worked
on.
 -tre

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:03:10 -0500
Subject: david's freewheel hubs

 David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell) wrote...

unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out

opposite each other to help rotate the hub into or out of engagement. In

david,
those would be dualmatic hubs, i understand that they have a brass part
inside that is prone to breakage, no first hand knowledge of this, just
osmosis from reading the list for a couple of years. as with any other rover
part, YMMV.....

david there are oodles of lros in the DC metro area, e-mail me direct and we
can talk (or at work spencern@acr.org)

rgds,
spenny

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway
69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

btw, to all those butch non-FWH owners that get to offroad everyday to get to
work.... youre sooooo cool.

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 20:59:42 -0800
From: Jeremy J Bartlett <Bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: S1 Article - "Tommy"

I came across the Nov. Classsic & Sports Car which
features an article on "Tommy", the restored S1 of
Rev. Stevens, also featured in Taylor's book - Original
Land-Rover.  Some interesting photos.

Rather oddly the title of the article is:
"Let there be Lightweights" ... makes you wonder just
how much these Classic Sport people really know :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:29:27 -0800
From: Jeremy J Bartlett <Bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Dormobile Seat Variatons?

I was just looking through the latest LRW and noticed that
the 6cyl. Dormobile has two single seats up front.  Was this
common to all 6 cyl. conversions?  The reason I ask is to the
best of my memory other seats I've seen are a single in the 
driver's position and a dual seat next to that.  This is certainly
the case for the seats I have.  How common are the two single seats?

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 4 Nov 1996 16:33:44 MDT
Subject: Re: HP and Torque limit of IIA drive train

Molenhoff,

       As som have already said, the connection between your brain and
right foot has a lot to do with the longevity of your drivetrain. On one
hand, I have seen Chevy 6 and V8 conversions last a long while in
otherwise stock LRs and have know lead footed type to destroy a
drivetrain with an anemic engine. Who can tell.
       My personal guidelines were 200lb-ft of torque, max. That's about
150hp. The diffs can handle that much, good axle shafts can. The weak
link is usually the tranny layshaft. By all reports, the later transfer
box (with the larger intermediate gear shaft) can handle even more
torque.

Jim

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 00:45:36 +0100
From: Rokegem Luc <defender@belgonet.be>
Subject: Re: FWH on RR (was Re: Blonde in a Jeep)

Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:
> Not letting a long overdrawn thread die, Peter notes:
> > BTW, did you know that you can't use fwh's on a Range Rover?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> can use FWHs on a RR (or a 90/110/130/Disco, or even a Stage 1) by locking
> the center diff. Shall we continue this thread with reasons to do so.

It would be very stupid to fit FWH to a Landrover that has 4WD
all the time !  O.K. You use a lot more fuel, but divide the torque
over 4 wheels gives much advantage in many situations on- or offroad.

regards,
 _                  _____       _                             
| |                |  __ \     | |                            
| |    _   _  ___  | |__) |___ | | _____  __ _  ___ _ __ ___  
| |   | | | |/ __| |  _  // _ \| |/ / _ \/ _` |/ _ \ '_ ` _ \ 
| |___| |_| | (__  | | \ \ (_) |   <  __/ (_| |  __/ | | | | |
|______\__,_|\___| |_|  \_\___/|_|\_\___|\__, |\___|_| |_| |_|
                                          __/ |               
                                         |___/                

          _______________                
         //  |           |    St-Pauwels  (Belgie)
   ____ //___|           |#   defender@belgonet.be
  |   __            __   |#   
  |__/  \__________/  \__|    My next one = Lightweight
     \__/          \__/    

 http://www.belgonet.be/~bn000165/index.html

      \|/
     ( ..)                
 --oOO-()-OOo----------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:44:35 +0100
From: Rokegem Luc <defender@belgonet.be>
Subject: Re: Web phones

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> i have just discovered Freetel at
> http://www.freetel.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> with fellow four-wheelers from foreign climes.
> anyone on this list have freetel? It can be downloaded free at the above

I've downloaded the software and as soon as i've bought a
microphone I will try it out. BTW does anybody uses mIRC ?
I think it would be great "chatting" online.
any thoughts about our own #channel ?

regards,
 _                  _____       _                             
| |                |  __ \     | |                            
| |    _   _  ___  | |__) |___ | | _____  __ _  ___ _ __ ___  
| |   | | | |/ __| |  _  // _ \| |/ / _ \/ _` |/ _ \ '_ ` _ \ 
| |___| |_| | (__  | | \ \ (_) |   <  __/ (_| |  __/ | | | | |
|______\__,_|\___| |_|  \_\___/|_|\_\___|\__, |\___|_| |_| |_|
                                          __/ |               
                                         |___/                

          _______________                
         //  |           |    St-Pauwels  (Belgie)
   ____ //___|           |#   defender@belgonet.be
  |   __            __   |#   
  |__/  \__________/  \__|    My next one = Lightweight
     \__/          \__/    

 http://www.belgonet.be/~bn000165/index.html

      \|/
     ( ..)                
 --oOO-()-OOo----------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:49:58 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: AAAAARRRRRRGH!

MAJOR! QUIT IT!
Well, at least my message got delivered, albeit about ten times...sorry 
oh great Land Rover List, 'twas not my fault, I swear it!

Steve, in Albany, well, here's an electronic wave!  I live in Holbrook, 
exit 61 on the L.I.E if you are familiar with L.I.  I remember your car 
quite well, if you swing down here again we'll have a sip of Guinness (or 
two or three) and a few puffs of Padron, if everyone else would stop 
buying them!

regards,
Rich
D90

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 4 Nov 1996 16:51:30 MDT
Subject: Re[4]: Dissention in the Yanks

To the Hubbed and the Hubless

       Use 'em if you got 'em. Don't if you don't. I'm one of those
anal-retentive types that records gas mileage on every tank. SOme years
ago, I left my hubs in for about a month and compared those readings to
the unlocked. I recorded about a 1mpg increase (barely) between locked
an unlocked in normal go-ta-work driving. That figure jumped to about
1.5mpg on some highway jaunts. I was as careful as I could but would
have to admit to at least a .5mpg error.
       I will say that at higher speeds, the vehicle was noticably
quieter (60-70mph). There's no doubt in my mind that the extra drag and
friction of that front axle contributes to the old Series rigs slowness.
       Having said that, I will admit to being a believer in leaving
them locked in most of the time for the reason stated in many other
diatribes - namely Railco bush lubrication. I would unlock for a long
trip. If I had a vehicle without hubs, I'd be hard pressed to talk
myself into buying a set. Especially most of the newer ones. Those old
Warn M11s were great stuff. The new ones tend to leak oil.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:53:30 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: DOT 4 fluid questions

>David Cockey writes...

. Note that some other DOT 4 fluids may not be compatible with the Girling 
rubber.     ^^^^^^^^^^

Does this mean that there is a difference among DOT 4 fluids?

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: jimallen@onlinecol.com
Date: 4 Nov 1996 17:22:12 MDT
Subject: Re: LROA ??

Wow!

       Seems to be some hard feelings towards the LROA. As one of the
three founders (Steve Hill, Steve Zedakar and Jim Allen), I can say that
avoiding politics and hassle were foremost in our thoughts when we
began. In just a couple of years, I learned that this is essentially
unavoidable as long as human nature is involved.
       I edited the Aluminum Workhorse for the first three years but
pulled out when I moved to Vermont to work at Rovers North. It was a
burden that few wanted to share. There were hard feelings when I stepped
down and I can understand where they came from. I tried to bear no ill
will and stayed quiet about it.
       In the intervening 10 years, I have learned that any club is only
as good as the people in it. If a few are expected to carry the load for
many, the club deteriorates. All must contribute. If the majority
doesn't, the club has no real reason to live.
       All of you detractors listen up. Piss and moan all you want but
if you're not an active,contributing member - your words mean little. If
you have legitimate gripes,take them up with the appropriate person
directly.
       My advice to all is that if you value what your club, any club,
delivers, contribute. If you want to sit back and reap the benifits of
being a member without a contribution, fine - just don't start throwing
stones at the first signs of trouble.
        To those of you in the LROA,and other clubs in distress,that are
carrying all the weight, I urge you to avoid burnout. Remember that it's
a club, not a way of life. Your family and homelife has got to come
first. Term limits (or a least rest periods) for officers should be
mandatory for the bylaws. Share the load!

'Nuff Said,

Jim Allen

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:14:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: DOT 4 fluid questions

In a message dated 96-11-04 19:30:55 EST, you write:

Allan quotes me:
>>David Cockey writes...
>. Note that some other DOT 4 fluids may not be compatible with the Girling 
>rubber.     ^^^^^^^^^^

>Does this mean that there is a difference among DOT 4 fluids?

My understanding is that DOT 4 is a boiling pt. requirement and doesn't
require the Castrol/Girling formulation. So some DOT 4 fluid may not be any
more compatible with Girling systems than DOT 3 fluids. Is this just Castrol
propoganda? Any better information available?

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:42:42 -0500
Subject: Top colors, Doormobile workshop?

Jan inquires:
>I am about to buy a 109 of 1961. It's a former Swiss fire-department car.
>I'll have it fitted with a hardtop. Someone knows the colour-scheme? Some
>people insist that the roof "should" be white. I wonder.

Our '60 SII SW was (and will be again) red including the top and roof. Only
the safari awning panel was (bright) white. From an early '60s ad brochure
"Land Rover in Action", 600/F, station wagons had body color tops, vehicles
with hardtops and pickup cabs had either body color or white tops. Prehaps
factory fitted tops were body color and dealer installed were white?

BTW, "Land Rovers in Action" has a photo of a mobile workshop conversion with
a flip-up roof ala a Doormobile. The roof is hinged on the right, has two
"skylights" on the right and a raised area on the left. Fabric covers the
opening. Doormobile, Martin Walker or other?  No side windows in the top. The
rear door/tailgate is one piece the size of a rear safari door but hinged at
the bottom. It appears to be 40mm or so thick without any glass. It is open
with a prop to the ground and in use as a workbench.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 19:21:47 +1100
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Re: WD-40

>     a button here with WD/40. WD/40 is NOT repeat NOT a lubricant. Win a
>     bet, look at the can, NOWHERE does the word LUBRICATES appear. It's
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>     WD/40 is mostly a mixture of kerosene and a mild phosphoric acid
>solution. That's right

Maybe the US WD-40 is different from the Aussie breed, but to quote from a
can in front of me:

    "... frees and lubricates operating controls, linkages ..."

also

   "... protects all metal against rust and corrosion ..."
   "... for best rust protection results, do not wipe off ..."

Not that I believe in WD-40 everywhere.  Swivel housings, for example
should be filled with grease :-).

Actually, I use a mixture of equal parts of 90-weight hypoid oil, Slick-50
gearbox additive and Wynns stop-leak.  I _know_ that that's wrong, but I'm
not feeling strong (or rich) enough to rebuild the swivels, which are more
pitted than a 15-year-old's acne.  It doesn't leak (much), but isn't much
off 90-weight in viscousity.

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 19:30:59 +1100
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Holden 202 carb

I'm looking for advice from any Aussie gurus.  My Series III wagon has a
Holden 202 motor, with a very worn Solex carb.  Before I splash out on
getting someone to overhaul it (or replace it), is there a better
alternative for this engine?

I'm also looking for a 75l side tank, from a 109" ute.  However, I'm not
sure how to plumb it into a 109" s/w, because of the rear door.  I've come
up with three ideas so far:

1) a filler under the driver's seat, which is inconvenient and smelly, but
simple to engineer.

2) a filler in the front wing, with a filler pipe running down behind the
front wheel and under the front outrigger.

3) cutting a chunk out of the RHS rear door, to allow mounting a filler in
the usual spot for a 2-door.

These all have their pro's and con's, and the under-seat filler will
probably be the go, as I only plan to use this tank occasionally (Painted
Desert and Cape York, if I ever get that far).  Any thoughts from any of
the bright people out there?  I don't think that the rear tank alone would
be an option, as I'd have to carry far too many cans to get a decent range.

My old 3-door diesel had two tanks, with a electric pump pumping from the
front tank into the rear tank's filler neck.  I left the manual switch on
once, and no doubt puzzled many motorists who saw my truck gushing diesel
out of the (closed) filler!

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Date: 04 Nov 96 22:55:00 EST
From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Stainless Brake Lines

>> Has anyone on the list fitted stainless brake lines on their Rover?  I want
do it to mine, but I can't find a flaring tool that will flare stainless.
Any experiences or suggestions? <<

I bought a set from British Northwest, several years ago. It cost over $200 for
all the lines (brake and clutch), but it took several tries, and a couple
months, to get everything right. I ended up having to measure every one of my
old lines, to get the lengths right. The problem is that a Stainless flaring
tool costs over $200 by itself, and since you can't do any modifications to the
lines themselves, they have to be just the right length. You might be able to
find someone who works on airplanes, that could flare the lines for you, but you
might have trouble getting the fittings. After a got it all done, I was very
happy with the results. Over four years, and all my lines are still shiny.

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]     1996 Discovery
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 04-Nov-1996

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:48:38 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Re2: LROA

At 11:35 PM 11/1/96 -0500, Dixon Kenner wrote:
>>  If you would like to send us your articles, photos, technical tips, 

>	Hypothetical question:  I have material to submit.  Should I send
>	it to AW, or to my active local or regional club?

My suggestion (to members and LROA) -- What's common in the Atari world (and
you thought it was hard to find LR news in the US!) is reprinting articles
from other newsletters.  So, how about both?  Send it to your local
newsletter, to support your local club, then to the AW (to be published with
the subheading "reprinted from the abc club newsletter") so that others
elsewhere can read it.

>	Hypothetical question two:  An organisation suffers for various
>	reasons and very nearly collapses. (for all purposes to the outside
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>	for past actions?  If no, yet this is the *same* organisation, 
>	is this considered ethical?

Hmmm...  An interesting question.  What "goodwill" is there (I've yet to see
any) if they have this richly deserved rep?  Is it ethical?  Is it ethical
to cut someone's leg off?  What if they'll die if you don't?  Ethics depends
on the whole situation.  

So what are the alternatives?  1) Old officers take the money and run.  2)
New officers take the money and run.  3) Donate the money to a worthy cause
(Tread Lightly?)  4) Donate the money to local clubs  5) refund the money to
the members.  6) keep the money, and try to rebuild LROA.

#1 & 2, are probably least ethical.  (though, being treasurer who needs a
new bathroom, #2 does sound appealing...)  However, they are definite
options.  (I seen this done with similar amounts and lots of expensive
computer gear.)

#3 was what was about to happen until some folks complained and stepped
forward to take over (and try #6).  #4 might make more sense, but how to
figure out which clubs, and how much for each is a pain.  

#5 is expensive, and more work than I think anyone would be willing to do.  

#6 is what's happening.  The name could have been changed, but that would
have confused a lot of people too.  And the club inherited a lot more bad
feelings than good.  I don't think the new officers are trying to "divorce"
themselves from the past, but rather to try and make up for it.  Do they
bear any responsibility for past actions?  No, but perhaps the club does,
and that's why they're working to try make the LROA what it perhaps should
have been.

>	Hypothetical question three:  An organisation claims that it
>	is national.  It ignores active regional entities.  If these
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>	that, more ephemeral, group have a greater claim to being
>	a national entity?

My thoughts on the nationality of the LROA:  LROA has members from all over
the US & elsewhere; that's what makes it a national club.  Up to now,
perhaps, it has not adequately served the needs of all its members, but that
does not make the membership any less widespread.  The intention at this
point is to try and start serving those members not located in Northern CA.  

>	I have more if you wish.
>	You are trying hard, I just think you are going about it in
>	not the most effecient fashion.
>	co-operate in scheduling events, exchange information, would

I would love to hear your suggestions.  I would be more than happy to pass
them on to the board as well.  I think that LROA, given past problems, needs
to be kept on its toes until it proves itself.  

Here's a hypothetical question for you...  Take several phone lines and use
each one to call some place around the country where several LRO's had
gathered.  Put each call on a speakerphone so as to allow people to "be" at
LROA board meetings (without paying airfare).  Would you be willing to host
whatever LRO's in your area wanted to join in?  (assuming I (or LROA) paid
for the call)  How about taking the time to test it?  Would that help get
folks elsewhere involved?  (and thereby help overcome the Calif club image?)

This is something I just thunk up while writing this, but it might be
possible since I have (at last count) 6 phone lines coming into my house.  I
could also set up an internet connection (without tying up a line) at the
same time.  I dunno what the costs would be, but I would be willing to foot
the bill (at least for the first one. (^8 )   

Suggestions are always welcome!

P.S. This (and all) message is written from the standpoint of being an
interested member, not a board member (after all, I'm only the treasurer.)
So *PLEASE* do NOT take what I mumble about as being official LROA gospel.
I do not have the authority to speak for LROA, nor would I want to.  (My
personal opinions carry far more weight in most circles than any
organization.  (^8  )

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:28:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LROA ??

On 4 Nov 1996 jimallen@onlinecol.com wrote: (jim allen)

>        Seems to be some hard feelings towards the LROA. 

	Er, yes, across North America actually...   But lets conserve
	bandwidth and not discuse this...

> three founders (Steve Hill, Steve Zedakar and Jim Allen), I can say that
> avoiding politics and hassle were foremost in our thoughts when we
> began. 

	Yet you picked a name that would ensure this!  (The sensibilities
	of established regional clubs to be taken into account)

> burden that few wanted to share. There were hard feelings when I stepped
> down and I can understand where they came from. I tried to bear no ill
> will and stayed quiet about it.

	History...

>        In the intervening 10 years, I have learned that any club is only
> as good as the people in it. If a few are expected to carry the load for
> many, the club deteriorates. All must contribute. If the majority
> doesn't, the club has no real reason to live.

	Famous last words... Axe the curent exec, elect new...  Works wonders
	actually...  I'll save you a couple hundred lines why...

>        All of you detractors listen up. Piss and moan all you want but
> if you're not an active,contributing member - your words mean little. If
> you have legitimate gripes,take them up with the appropriate person
> directly.

	Awaiting incoming....

>        My advice to all is that if you value what your club, any club, 
> delivers, contribute. If you want to sit back and reap the benifits of 
> being a member without a contribution, fine - just don't start throwing 
> stones at the first signs of trouble. 

	Many do...  Hell, I sit here and say that I have a high profile with
	OVLR.  Don't toss... Use a 105mm howitzer...  All is fair. I call 
	'em as I see them...  There are a couple other clubs I am in almost
	daily contact with.  I respect the, I figure they respect me.

> To those of you in the LROA,and other clubs in distress,that are 
> carrying all the weight, I urge you to avoid burnout. Remember that 
> it's a club, not a way of life. Your family and homelife has got to 
> come first. 

	Why we blow everyone out after two years...   

> 'Nuff Said, > > Jim Allen

	Not yet...

	Rgds

	Dixon 

dioxin to some...

(another guinness dale?)

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:36:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Castrol GTLMA Dot 4 Clarify?

On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil> wrote:
>Spenny, regarding your latest Dot 4 posting, explain again your 
>caution.  Are you saying Castrol GTLMA Dot 4 fluid will destroy 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>that other brand of Dot 4 fluids will damage British rubber?
>Please clarify.  M 
In Spen's defense....it seems that the older rubber that may be found on some 
vehicles or with older NOS rebuild kits is suceptible to non Castrol fluids.  If 
your system is relatively new, however, I'm pretty sure that any type of brake 
fluid can be used...

I say this although I've only used on Castrol on my Rover (it isn't any more 
expensive than other types) but I have on my Spitfire, with no apparent problems 
yet.....

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:36:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: @Highway Speed?

Reference 100 mph in a series rover....

According to LR official information, the top speed of a stage one is about 95 
mph.  I tried this going across Montana a couple years back with about 60k miles 
on a carbureted 3.5. I was able to get up there but I wouldn't recommend it.  
The body starts swaying quite a bit and it takes in enormous amount of attention 
to keep the darn thing on the road.  Not sure about the horsepower as the stock 
restrictor plates have been removed. I think the engine was turning out about 
135hp, though.  I'd recommend using the extra hp for acceleration and towing, 
not top speed, at least not with leaf springs.

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:36:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Spenny@aol.com wrote:

>stage one, plastic dipped galvanised steel

Actually...I don't think there's any galv under the plastic...might make a good 
experiment :)

>example:
>eric zipkin, who has eaten so much chicken cooked on his grill, or perhaps it
>was all those years growing up eating off the grill of his fathers SII, has
>rendered himself utterly irresistible to girls between the years of 11-15.

No, actually, its the 90w cologne....try it, the babes love it!
>about myself?, anyone can tell you that i dont really care much about food.
>eric zipkin, who has eaten so much chicken cooked on his grill, or perhaps it
>was all those years growing up eating off the grill of his fathers SII, has
Only guinness and scotch, right?

Rgds,
Eric

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:49:03 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Limited Edition D110 market watch

At 11:23 AM 11/2/96 -0800, you wrote:

After reports of a 93 D110 in Atlanta for $35K...

>something fishy going on here just saw a 93 D110 for sale in Chgo Tribune 
>for $51,500.....please explain....

Sounds like someone could make a pretty penny driving from Atlanta to Chicago...

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:49:58 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: A pictorial newsletter/record for everyone

At 02:24 PM 11/3/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I have access to a superb colour scanner, and would like to compile a =
>photo file of the following:

Have you thought of putting this on a web page?  I can help with the HTML
and/or host it if you don't have a site of your own.

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:50:18 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: LRO, LROI, LROA, AOL et al

At 06:27 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Can someone explain what/who/where LROI and LROA is - maybe i'm dumb,
>maybe i just a european, maybe I just haven't heard the answer yet!

LR   = Land Rover
LRO  = Land Rover Owner
LROI = Land Rover Owner International (British LR mag)
LROA = Land Rover Owners Association (North American LR Club)
LRW  = Land Rover World (Newer Brit. LR mag)
AOL  = America On-Line (US on-line service with worse rep than LROA.)

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:48:17 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Nifty GPS resource

At 11:52 AM 11/1/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>For all you Garmin owners, check out <http://home.cds.net/~purple/>.  It's

Ack!  Okay, I goofed.  It's actually <http://home.cdsnet.net/~purple/>.
Just me working without a net again...

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:01:44 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: FWH

on 11.4.96 you wrote:
>        Secondly, there's no way of telling whether the hubs are engaged or
>not, short of jacking up the vehicle and visually inspecting. One lever
>could be engaged, and the other not engaged. And, the only way to check is
>to pull the hubs completely, or jack up the vehicle and rotate each lever
>individually to see what happens. Big pain in the ass.

The levers should be marked "lock" on one side and "free" on the other.

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Holden 202 carb and tank
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:34:51 +1030 (CDT)

Paul Nash asks:
> I'm looking for advice from any Aussie gurus.  My Series III wagon has a
> Holden 202 motor, with a very worn Solex carb.  Before I splash out on
> getting someone to overhaul it (or replace it), is there a better
> alternative for this engine?

Solex ???  the standard holden was a stromberg, often stamped 
bendix-stromberg.   Oh hang on I'm talking Red motor here, Blues are 
different.

As for better alternative well it depends upon what you want and what has
been done to the motor. There are several different choke sizes for the
holden (red) stromberg, for highway running the largest is the best on a
202 LR, (provided you have a large bore manifold...) but it will suffer a
bit down low, doubt you'd notice though.  I was very happy with the holden
stromberg WW2 twin-throat + manifold I had on my IIa 208 CI red/black
hybrid (cam extractors etc) this is the carb+manifold used on 2600S
toranas and 186S HK-T-G (and late HR) Change the power valve to cut in
later, run the big V8 air filter, away you go....  
usually cheaper to aquire the manifold and carb seperate the carb is the 
same as a 253 V8, which are usually cheaper S/H than 186S ones...

Of course this costs a heap more than getting a reco stromberg.......

If its a blue motor there used to be a popular weber conversion ($$$) 
and some people used 320CFM or 350CFM holleys (ugh) to replace the somewhat 
problematic varijet (nice idea but)....

> I'm also looking for a 75l side tank, from a 109" ute.  However, I'm not
> sure how to plumb it into a 109" s/w, because of the rear door.  I've come
> up with three ideas so far:

Ok 1st point a std Hard top tank wont fit, the seat bases get in the way, 
you will either have to cut and shut the tank or get one custom made...

(i have measurements at home for the one I had made for our stage 1, if 
its of use,  LHS, around 68-70L)

> 1) a filler under the driver's seat, which is inconvenient and smelly, but
> simple to engineer.

Also illegal in some states/territories unless factory fitted *at time of 
manufacture*.  Better check its certainly no go in the NT, I think Qld is 
a bit thingy too...

> 2) a filler in the front wing, with a filler pipe running down behind the
> front wheel and under the front outrigger.

What we did, the tank fills slowly even with a 1/2' breather...  I put 
the filler cap on top of the wing, just in front of the mud shield,easier to 
fill from a Jerry can.

> 3) cutting a chunk out of the RHS rear door, to allow mounting a filler in
> the usual spot for a 2-door.

Probably illegal under the same rule as #1  (must fill from outside 
vehicle unless factory fitted at time of manufacture)  check local (and 
potential residences) laws

> My old 3-door diesel had two tanks, with a electric pump pumping from the
> front tank into the rear tank's filler neck.  I left the manual switch on
> once, and no doubt puzzled many motorists who saw my truck gushing diesel
> out of the (closed) filler!

I'd hook them up as seperate tanks with a teflon ball 3-way tap, adds 
some security too, front tank, rear tank and off position (in the middle 
between the too)

cheers
Daryl (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:42:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: LROA 

        As a person who has been waiting paitently for many years for my
third issue of The Aluminum Work Horse to be delievered to my house ,I think
I can understand the diappointment of people who feel let down by LROA.
Having paid  dues 2 or 3 times in the last couple of years and receiving
very little tends to jade a person.
        I do think there is a place for an organization such as LROA in the
rover world, but I think it needs to be rethought and reorganized to reflect
todays happenings. I would imagine that when LROA first was created (before
my time) that it filled a niche that really no longer exists. People no
longer have to scrounge up information or wait for The Aluminum Work Horse
to find out what is going on or to find out what is for sale in North
America. I think the internet, magazines, and Land Rover parts houses now
fill that gap extremlly well and will only continue to get better.
        What should it be and how should it be organized ? I think a good
start would be to ask the members and keep them informed as to what is going
on. If the LROA wants the members to be part of the LROA process then
include them in the process. I find it hard to believe that so few people
are taking this whole process on by themselves. In todays world of
email,fax,and telephone the process of communication and electronic press
operation opens up who can contribute to LROA on a global scale while still
meeting dead lines. It also can be used to keep people informed. I hear
about meetings but I never hear what goes on. Are minutes taken? Who voted
for the people running it now? Was it by default or were members polled?
What kind of beer did you have?   Important questions!
         I think basic questions regarding finance should be addressed. What
does it cost to run the club? How much money does the club have now? How
much does it coast to print items? How many members?
        I think a basic mission statement as to what the LROA intends to do
and what it stands for would be the best place to start. It would make it
easier for people to understand and support LROA and become involved. I know
I would.
        Remembering that this is all for fun should be the most important.:) 
        Rover On,
                Blair
         
        
     
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover 
1972 S III 88
1967 FLH HD

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Little LR meeting in Southern Bavaria
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:04:04 +0100 (MET)

Last weekend there was a little Land Rover meeting in Miesbach,
about 50km south of M"unchen (I announced this on eu-lro). About
60 Land Rovers from some SII up to the newest Disco attanded.
There was a SII 88 that was built in licence by Tempo, a German 
company. It had a steel body instead of the normal Birmabright.
Even two FC where there. Both converted to camping mobiles.

The greatest show was unplanned. A rally equipped Unimog got stuck
on the damp meadow when the driver attempted to drive out Saturday
evening while some Land Rovers drove easily up and down just beneeth. 
Someone told that the owner had won the truck competition of the 
Pharao Rally with it, so I'd blame more his sand tyres than his 
driving skills. Martin, who had organized the meeting, finally
pulled him up the slight incline with his farm tractor.

We spent the evening with good food and a diashow about Scotland.
After that we had plenty of time at the camp fire for telling stories
and drinking beer.

On Sunday I came across a new pair of halogene headlamps for Brumml
(the old Biluxs just don't give enough light) but didn't find a spare 
rim as I intended.

Martin plans to organize a meeting again next year, so if anyone
is interested email me. 

cu,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Nifty GPS resource
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 8:29:46 GMT

> One thing to bear in mind with GPSs is that I am told that 
> some/most/all will suffer from the Millenuim Bug and become 
> hopelessy inaccurate as thier clocks pack up? Is this an urban myth 
> or not? (I wont be buying one anyway till it just comes as a minimalist 
> function on a wristwatch - just position and direction between two readings.)

Its apparently true for most/all of the cheaper sub-systems - ie. used in all
the posh accessories found in Range Rovers. Proper surveying kit, geological
kit,etc. should be okay. 

My compass clino, will (even though it only cost UKP 16), I believe be
unaffected, unless the Earth's core decides to flip at the same time...

Richard
(ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR - only fashion accessories: geological hammer, helmet,
goggles,clino, and an (ex-)punt paddle)

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:47:37 +0100
Subject: Re: @Highway Speed?

> Reference 100 mph in a series rover....
> 135hp, though.  I'd recommend using the extra hp for acceleration and towing,
> not top speed, at least not with leaf springs.

I'd agree there! I had my 2.25 petrol 88" up to 135 kph (~84 mph) once,
but I don't know what happened afterwards as I greyed out from the
vibrations :-)

TK
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: LROA
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 21:34:00 EST

All,
Now don't take this too seriously.
I am the editor of the Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter (HOCA) 
"Hillmanews"
(OK, sothe Hillman wasn't a big seller in the USA).  The point is that a 
newsletter is the lifeblood of a club especially one where the membership is 
dispersed over a wide area and can't get to meetings.

My newsletter isn't big - usually 14-18 pages of closely type text with 
photos.  Usually about 2-3 pages of classifieds. - and it only comes out 
every 2 months, without fail.  (At least I haven't failed to get it out on 
the correct day for the past 2-1/2 years.  No, I'm not perfect but I take 
the job seriously as most people in club positions do.  I do rely on my 
contributors.  I have two regulars, the rest I do myself, including photo 
scanning, typing, typesetting etc.  What I am always chasing are articles. 
 Cost of membership A$25 (US$20) per annum of which about half goes into the 
newsletter for printing and postage (postage is much dearer here than the 
USA)   The club meets monthly and has about 100 financial members

Would electronic mail, fax etc do the job of the newsletter?  No.  Many of 
our members are not computer literate.  Also many prefer to have the 
hardcopy of the newsletter to read rather than soft copies.  Internaet 
access isn't cheap (about $5 / hour here).

>From my very short time monitoring these newsgroups (LRO & RRO), it seems to 
me that you guys are even more dedicated than members in HOCA and should be 
able to provide the input to the editor

Surely it is possible for the LROA to get a newsletter out to help satisfy 
the membership.

I wish I could help but I am a novice when it comes to RR and LR.

Ron
'87 RR
'83 RR
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 (GT alloy head)
'66 Hillman Gazelle (alloy head)
'48 Swiss wife, Elisabeth
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From: Blair Gillespie
Cc: RRO@playground.sun.com
Subject: LROA
Date: Tuesday, 5 November 1996 4:42PM

        As a person who has been waiting paitently for many years for my
third issue of The Aluminum Work Horse to be delievered to my house ,I
think
I can understand the diappointment of people who feel let down by LROA.
Having paid  dues 2 or 3 times in the last couple of years and receiving
very little tends to jade a person.
        I do think there is a place for an organization such as LROA in the
rover world, but I think it needs to be rethought and reorganized to
reflect
todays happenings. I would imagine that when LROA first was created (before
my time) that it filled a niche that really no longer exists. People no
longer have to scrounge up information or wait for The Aluminum Work Horse
to find out what is going on or to find out what is for sale in North
America. I think the internet, magazines, and Land Rover parts houses now
fill that gap extremlly well and will only continue to get better.
        What should it be and how should it be organized ? I think a good
start would be to ask the members and keep them informed as to what is
going
on. If the LROA wants the members to be part of the LROA process then
include them in the process. I find it hard to believe that so few people
are taking this whole process on by themselves. In todays world of
email,fax,and telephone the process of communication and electronic press
operation opens up who can contribute to LROA on a global scale while still
meeting dead lines. It also can be used to keep people informed. I hear
about meetings but I never hear what goes on. Are minutes taken? Who voted
for the people running it now? Was it by default or were members polled?
What kind of beer did you have?   Important questions!
         I think basic questions regarding finance should be addressed.
What
does it cost to run the club? How much money does the club have now? How
much does it coast to print items? How many members?
        I think a basic mission statement as to what the LROA intends to do
and what it stands for would be the best place to start. It would make it
easier for people to understand and support LROA and become involved. I
know
I would.
        Remembering that this is all for fun should be the most
important.:)
        Rover On,
                Blair

Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover
1972 S III 88
1967 FLH HD

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Date: 5 Nov 1996 11:02:31 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: SIIA 88 Clutch problems

I have a 1968 SIIA 88" with no clutch at the moment.  I have been told 
that it it either the hydraulics or the thrust bearing.  I have recently
replaced the master cylinder (original laster 28 years!!) and have also bled
the system on numerous occasions.  The bleeding has served no good,( apart from
keeping the clutch fluid companies in business!). Basically, does anyone have
any ideas or opinions as to what it could be, and how much a thrust bearing
costs (I'm in England BTW)
Thanx muchly,
Landyman

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:06:28 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: British Reg. letters and Magazines

the numbering system before 1964 was three letters and 3 numbers - like
>KNO 202 from this you could also see the county which the vehicle was
>first registered in - KN being designation for a county (I forget which)
I think its the last two letters,actually.For instance my '70 11A is
DCH 185 J,CH being Nottinghamshire.Warwickshire,Land Rovers home county,
was AC.The system being,you start with ACH 1 J,in the first example,
then go to BCH etc.
Other examples being:
HH Carlisle
RM Cumberland
UT Leicestershire
etc,etc,etc.

>Somewhere along the way, the regional identity encoded in the lettering
>had dissappeard I think, mainly because of local government
>reorganisation in the 80's I believe.
Think its still there.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: British Reg. letters and Magazines
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 11:25:32 GMT

> >Somewhere along the way, the regional identity encoded in the lettering
> >had dissappeard I think, mainly because of local government
> >reorganisation in the 80's I believe.
> Think its still there.

I understood it was on a garage-by-garage (or registration point) basis.
Eg. WASS in Leeds used to sell cars with "UUA" although I noticed my mother's
last car wasn't...   (nor was it *UA)

When they ran out of numbers, they added the year letter suffix. Then they
ran out of those in the early 80s (1983?), so they swapped it around.
I still get insurance companies,etc. saying "L: Thats 1990-whatever" -
obviously "Series III 109" doesn't mean anything - even with those 
"speciailists" who advertise in LROi.
(old "L" is 1972/73)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 06:42:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Limited Edition D110 market watch

The D110 has been sold! I will leave it to the new owner to announce. 
After reports of a 93 D110 in Atlanta for $35K...

>something fishy going on here just saw a 93 D110 for sale in Chgo Tribune 
>for $51,500.....please explain....
>>Sounds like someone could make a pretty penny driving from Atlanta to
>>Chicago...

I guess I could have, but better to help out another LRO, right!!

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD engine rebuild under way!
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:48:04 +0000
Subject: Re: British Reg. letters and Magazines

Quoting Mike Rooth, from  5 Nov 96

> >Somewhere along the way, the regional identity encoded in the lettering
> >had dissappeard I think, mainly because of local government
> >reorganisation in the 80's I believe.
> Think its still there.
It still is.

OES 217 Y is a Perth numberplate
LCS 210 W is from the Lothian area somewhere

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 07:44:56 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: ANTy voltage spikes

On Fri, 01 Nov 96, Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> wrote:

>Purely for acedemic interest. Does the formic acid from the crushed ant 
>cause continuity where there should be none or open circuit when it should 
>be closed?

A real mix so far: firstly, problems with a dead/erratic ignition switch, then 
driving the car off into someone's garden wall when it was supposed to be 
sitting parked while I was at work, dead spots from blocked relay and finally 
more dead starter also from a clogged relay. In fact they have been responsible 
for EVERY problem in the last 20 months except the leaking clutch slave seal.
Certainly has helped the learning curve though ...
Cheers.

>Purely for acedemic interest. Does the formic acid from the crushed ant 
>cause continuity where there should be none or open circuit when it should 
Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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