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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 07:19:27 -500
Subject: LR BBQ

LR BBQ,
Has anybody direct experience open fire BBQing with a Series 
grille?  True that the grid openings are so large a half chicken
is the smallest piece to not fall through?  Mark 

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 07:28:37 -500
Subject: Final Watneys

LR Group,
Thanks for the Watneys responses!  My favorite is anything free
and very cold, in that order.  Thanks!  M

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:23:21 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> LR BBQ,
> Has anybody direct experience open fire BBQing with a Series
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> grille?  True that the grid openings are so large a half chicken
> is the smallest piece to not fall through?  
Mark
I have 1 of 4 known (custom made) SIII grills which are made of steel. 
You can cook most anything on mine.  The one I have is an exact copy of
the original grill with the horizontal bars and mesh. Some may remember
the "prototype" that was sold at the OVLR birthday bash.

Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester)
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
http://www/borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:02:48 -0500
Subject: Fwd: D90 SW...UK Pricing?

---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: D90 SW...UK Pricing?
Date:    96-11-01 09:02:21 EST
From:    RoverNut

Ralph,
I think you would be surprised at just how much Land Rovers are in England.
When I was there last March I stopped by some shops (shoppes????) that sold
new and (mostly) used Landies. ALL of them, from Shropshire to Kirkham
bitched at how we Yanks get what amouts to be a better deal on them than they
do. England has a 17% VAT (value added tax) plus there are all sorts of other
taxes and charges that add up to essentially doubling the cost of the vehicle
from the time the dealer gets it to the time it drives off of the lot. From a
Range Rover to a Series I with a powdered frame.
In fact, one of the reasons the 109 was so popular was because as "13 seater
(two 5 person benches plus 3 in the front)" or the more popular "12 seater (3
front, 3 back, 6 on the benches)" it qualified as a BUS, therefore moving
into a much lower tax bracket. Nevermind that 12 people in TWO Landies is
uncomfortable enough. Most people got them home and changed the seating to
their liking, counting  their change.
It was due to this beauracracy that can only be rivaled here in the states
that the 109 was considerably cheaper than an 88.
I think the big advantage one gets by owning a Landy in the land of tea and
sheep is that parts are available and cheaper ~ with more aftermarket
choices, and that fixing a Land Rover in East BF Chipping Camden is
tantamount to getting the old Ford running at the corner gas and feed store
in Lower Hick Ridge Alabama.
Also, in the land of Blood Pie one can get a basic 90, pretty much a two seat
panel truck that we SeriesIIA drivers consider spartan, whereas US
enthusiasts get the deluxe model or nothing in the U S of A.
US import/grey market wheeler dealers get the advantage of buying these
vehicles without paying VAT, and even with the import taxes, can bring them
to the US reasonably. I know of two 110s that live on Nantucket that were
brought over in the heyday of the Robb Report era. Both of them came here for
less than what ONE legit 110 goes for now with 100k on the odometer. Makes
one cry, no? Unfortunately it's tougher to get them in now unless you've got
a pal who's in the military and stationed in Europe. My Rear-Admiral uncle's
Mercedes cost him $15,000.
So sleep easy, my boy, you're in the greatest G*d Da*m country in the world.
So go shoot yer gun! Go to McDonalds! Top off that fuel tank! Be Wasteful!
You're an AMERICAN! 
[fade out music - "Battle Hymn of the Republic" hummed by a bunch of spotty
faced Marines]

Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Range Rover

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:10:34 -0500
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

On  1 Nov 96 at 8:23, Mike Johnson wrote:

> Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> > LR BBQ,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> You can cook most anything on mine.  The one I have is an exact copy of
> the original grill with the horizontal bars and mesh. Some may remember
> the "prototype" that was sold at the OVLR birthday bash.

I suppose one of the advantages is that after a long drive in midsummer you 
don't need to season the chicken.

Rgds,
 Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 06:03:39 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

At  7:19 AM 11/1/96 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
>LR BBQ,
>Has anybody direct experience open fire BBQing with a Series
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>grille?  True that the grid openings are so large a half chicken
>is the smallest piece to not fall through?  Mark

If you BBQ on the front grill without first removing all traces of the
galvanizing, you may be in for some unhappy after effects.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:10:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Happy Birthday!

	Happy Birthday Vienna!

	Peter, you have to have one from *each* and all of us... :-)

	Rgds from Canada (only 129 years old (we were a colony for a while)

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:25:24 -0500
Subject: parts

TerriAnn is right 
Brit Pacif. is probably , across the board, the most reasonably priced place
to get parts. On the rare occasions when they are more expensive than the
others, as with the example of my Range Rover bushings being about 10% more
expensive than the other sources, it's because BP sold me Old Man Emu, and
the other places were selling somthing like Middle-Aged Grumpy Chicken Hawk.
Plus, the guys are so NICE and helpful. We Southerners are used to nice, but
there must be something in the mineral water in Burbank that makes these guys
so easy to deal with. Marty is dude #1 in my book.
Even with shipping  from CA to NC, BP usually wins the price war.
I always call Bruce at DAP too. He's honest, really cool and Jesus does he
know Rovers!
For that reason and that his prices are sometimes very good too, I give DAP
my business sometimes.

Alex Maiolo
69  IIa
89 Range Rover

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:35:33 -0500
Subject: electronic Ig.

I put in something called THE IGNITOR by Pertronix. I put it in in 30 minutes
while still wearing my tie. It was only $110 and highly recommended by my
Brit Car mechanic pals. I hear the Lumenintion works a little better, but
doesn't it need adjusting? Or maybe it's tough to get running right at the
beginning ~ something to do with the optical set up. The Pertonix deal uses a
magnet.
Either way, my IIa has never run better or been more reliable, so I would
recommend any kind of elecronic ignition but carry your old points in case of
failure, and replace your cap and rotor & plugs and wires at the same time. I
hear the new ignition has a tendency to burn up borderline components that
would be safe with a traditonal set up. 
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 Range Rover

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 09:42:29 -0500
From: Brad F Worls <bworls@ovnet.com>
Subject: Re: Watneys?

Uncle Roger wrote:

> And so begins, once again, the beer thread.
> Did anyone save the list of appropriate LR beers from the last time around?

	Roger,
	
	How about throwing in a case of Anchor Steam, (from your town?)!

I believe it can be made by filling the coolant tank with wart and
replacing the thermostat with a wax plug...... >;)

	Brad

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:49:14 -0500
Subject: Boehme

He really told you to f**k off?!?!??!?!?!
Jeez!
Ostentatious Hummer driver! At least we Landy drivers aren't sporting around
in a vehicle named after a bizarre sex practice.

Stick to pulling out J**ps. They are usually driven by either a) cute
sorority girls or b) frat boys with beer to share and words of admiration for
your "cool old  truck with the tire on the hood"

Alex Maiolo
69 IIA
89 Rangie

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Dissension among the Yanks
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:47:00 PST

It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain

Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 09:44:40 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

Ron Franklin Wrote,
<SNIP>
> I suppose one of the advantages is that after a long drive in midsummer you don't need to season the chicken.

I put mine in the fire, got it screaming hot and seasoned it with peanut
oil a few times.  helps the bugs slip off before cooking.  (save the
good ones for seasoning)  :)

Mike

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: BritPac's Phone Number?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:53:00 PST

Can some kind soul provide me with the phone number to BritPac?  I seem   
to have lost it... (deleted it by accident)

Thanks,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767  

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:56:24 +0100
Subject:       Re: HELP, HELP engine AND/OR gearbox change

The 17 th october I wrote 

> HELP, HELP engine AND/OR gearbox change
> Please help me on this one?????
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> away........
> etc...................................

Well a lot of you responded to my distress call. with some soud 
advice.
Thank you.

My course of action is now,

    -Get the vehicle in a condition that it can be APK (kind of MOT) 
     approved.
    -have a experd on Land Rovers diagnose the engine and then 
     make up my mind on whether to repair, rebuild or swap the engine.
    -Just wait and see whatever happens to the gearbox.
    
This weekend I am planning to change all the spring bushes so wish 
me luck, 

Happy 

Rovering,
Huub Pennings

1981 SIII 88 
Work in Progress!!!!!!!!

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Boehme
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 10:07:00 PST

Actually, I have a story about stopping to help a stranded Jeep   
yesterday:

I was driving home from work and I saw a not-so-new J**p on the side of   
the highway, so I decided to stop and see if the occupant needed a lift.   
 Lo and behold, a HOT blond of the female persuasion jumps out.  Turns   
out, that the engine just died on her.  Upon closer examination, I   
discovered that she had run out of gas. (I guess that makes her a TRUE   
blond - and I can say this because my wife is blond, more on that later   
in the story.)  So, I took her to a gas station, filled up my new Jerry   
Can with 5L of gas and we headed back to her J**p.  After priming her   
carbatater, I got it started.  She was so grateful, that she said she   
would do ANYTHING to repay me.  She grabbed my crotch and I ran away to   
my 90 mumbling something about being married.  I never got my 90 to   
accelerate so fast in my life as I drove home to my wife.  (Of couse, as   
soon as I got home I had a Guinness or three.)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767 with 0-75 acceleration like you wouldn't believe...

P.S. Sorry if I've offended anyone, it was not intentional.
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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:49 AM
Subject:  Boehme

He really told you to f**k off?!?!??!?!?!
Jeez!
Ostentatious Hummer driver! At least we Landy drivers aren't sporting   
around
in a vehicle named after a bizarre sex practice.

Stick to pulling out J**ps. They are usually driven by either a) cute
sorority girls or b) frat boys with beer to share and words of admiration   
for
your "cool old  truck with the tire on the hood"

Alex Maiolo
69 IIA
89 Rangie

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: ANTy voltage spikes
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 10:11:00 EST

Allan Smith wrote " Finding where little bodies between contacts are giving 
inconsistent
readings of voltage output is an exercise is patience.  "
Purely for acedemic interest. Does the formic acid from the crushed ant 
cause continuity where there should be none or open circuit when it should 
be closed?

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:24:41 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: LROA

>With lots of members, but no (or few) volunteers, concerns of liability, and
>more, something had to be done.  A few people stepped forward and
>volunteered to help bring LROA into the next phase of its life cycle.

        OK I gotta say something. On many occasions I offered full support
from myself and my company to LROA. I even sent a letter to be read at
their meeting, when everything was changing. I basically got nowhere due to
the fact that I was not able to attend their meeting in California, how
National is that?. I also offered services for an Event, but again no
takers due to the bit about liability. ECR puts on an Off Road day, we
didn't take a year to worry about liability. Just one call to the agent,
and a few bucks it was done. Also stepped forward as a regional
co-ordinator and got no where with that because I live close to Myles
Murphy. Also sent in a story about a winter event put on by Bruce Fowler up
here in a great snow storm, etc. Saw nothing.

>So, if you're a skeptic, sit back and see what happens.  If you're an
>optimist, join in and help out.
>volunteered to help bring LROA into the next phase of its life cycle.

        We'd like to help out, but it seems like unless you can attend
meetings in California, you're not part of the National organization.
*except for the 20 bucks*

>  Call or email John Hess and ask what you can do.

        Done that so many times it isn't funny. *great guy, don't get me wrong*
>  Call or email John Hess and ask what you can do.

        Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to slam LROA, I think it could
be a great thing, and I hope all Rover clubs continue to run and grow as
they should. I'd still like to offer my support and help out with all the
clubs I can, but I think some items need to be driven home about not
concentratiing on things like corporations, due to fear of everything,
politics, etc. Clubs are supposed to be fun right??? The VA guys put on a
good show, as does OV and Bay State, and others, as does ECR's off road day
and Myles' DownEast even without a club.

        Maybe more on substance to make the club great, events, mags, etc.
and less about what you have to do now, incorporate, get organized, etc,
because you will be great.

        I'll be an optimist, and hope all goes well.

>Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
>sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:22:30 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: BritPac's Phone Number?

800.554.4133

also, when I'm at work, I get the number from their web page at:

http://www.britishpacific.com

C
At 09:53 AM 11/1/96 PST, you wrote:
>Can some kind soul provide me with the phone number to BritPac?  I seem   

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Douglas Boehme
>'95 Red D90 #2767  

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Austria, Guinness and me
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 10:31:00 EST

While on the subject of Guinness.
Today Austria is 1000
Sir Benjamin Lee Guinness, would be 198 (Irish brewer and first lord mayor 
of Dublin)
And I'm 50
 what a team?

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:47:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hotter coils, welded points

On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:

>> The usual caveats about being impartial and all don't apply.  I've got a 
>> couple V8 and 2.25l sets sitting right here, if anyone is interested....
>	-ve earth only though... :-(

Oh c'mon Dixon....welcome to the 20th century...it won't hurt to switch it over, 
really it won't.  :)

Eric

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:54:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Hotter coils, welded points

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> Oh c'mon Dixon....welcome to the 20th century...it won't hurt to switch it 
> over,  really it won't.  :)

	I'm more likely to get one, go mining in the plastic until I find the
	connections for the transistors and reverse the feeds to them.  Of
	course, there is always that article on how to make your own.

	Rgds,

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 01 Nov 96 08:58:23 MST
Subject: 110 sighting in Tempe Arizona

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Thought I'd bore you with yet another posting...

I was southbound on McLintock Rd. in Tempe Arizona last night, when a
D110 WOOSHED by me on my right, and merged right in front of me (since
the right land was ending just in front of me). Before I could even
complete my initial thought of "what a yahoo..." I noticed it was a
D110. I immediately floored it and managed to catch up to it (109 = 0 to
60 mph in the same day!) then I had my chance to pull right next to him
at a light. We exchanged waves, and commenced to check out each others
rigs. At the green light, I managed to stay side by side for, oh, about
15 feet, then the power of the V8 rocketed the D110 ahead of me. I had
to turn right at the next light, and we parted.

I think it had Oregon plates on it, but I didn't have my glasses on or
my contacts in. (scary, huh?) It was a US spec '93. (Gotta love that
external roll cage setup!)

Wasn't that exciting???!!! You're gonna want to keep this post, aren't
you? ;-)

Dave (wasting your time and mine) Brown ;-)
Dave Brown - Phoenix Arizona USA 602.820.8052 Pager: 602.275.2508 #6486
offering: Books, tools, knowledge, lodging, coffee, shoulder to cry on...
 #=====#           1971 "88" IIa - "Simba"
 |___|__\___       LIC: LION B8
 | _ |   |_ |}     Just your basic trail beast.
 "(_)""""(_)"
 Other-          1970 "109" IIa        '87 Range Rover
      /          Historic plates        rear Lock-Right  Bilstein shocks
      -Rovers    "Shake-n-bake"         Crane cam        Optima battery
                 aka: Shake-n-break,    OME HD springs   SSB CB radio
           & other terms of endearment  6 Hella lights   Flowmaster muffler
                                        Possible 4.6L implant...

What lies behind us and what lies    #=======#         _____l___
before us are tiny matters compared  |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
to what lies within us.              | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ _ _|}
Ralph Waldo Emerson                  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Re Gaiters
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 10:41:00 EST

To continue this this delightful thread
Subject: Re: simple solution

Steve Paustian wrote:
I can't. Mine have gaiters on them, like any sensible Rover owner's
would...
Ok I just lit the match...who wants to be the fuse...
         [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
 AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
 President, Flatland Rover Society
 04/500 D90SW

Steve,

Further to your comments, and bearing in mind that today is Austria's
big day (congrats guys!), can you imagine the problems they must have
with lederhosen?

Paul Oxley (ouch)
http://www.adventures.co.za

I painted mine with french blue epoxy paint and then fitted gaiters

Trevor

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:24:14 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Land Rover:  The best J**p Toyota ever made!

	Last night, some teen-aged trick-or-treaters came by.  After recieving
their candy (we live in a neighborhood that still does this), one of them
said "Hey look!  A Land Cruiser!".  
	I said "It's a Land Rover!".  
	Then, seeing the Disco (with the Land Rover name on the leading edge of
the hood), he said "I mean the other one."  
	I said "They're both Land Rovers".
	Then he said "Whatever".
	I thought nothing more, but then when I got up this morning, our scarecrow
was strewn all over the street and our Jack o' Lanterns were smashed.  
	Assuming it was the boys I corrected, I guess that's what I get for being
an anal-retentive engineer who wants his OHV called by it's proper name.

C
'65 IIA
'96 Disco

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 96 16:59:16 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Axle Breathers

Dear all,

I've just tried to replace both axle breathers on my 1976 109 Station wagon. A 
10 minute job I thought. (I don't know why I always fall for that old one). 
The front axle was no problem but the rear Salisbury axle is giving problems.

The original breather had no threads at all but was reasonably solid (DPO - 
must have cross-threaded it I thought).  However, the replacement would not 
fit as the threads made it too large for the hole. Realisation dawns, the DPO 
must have hammered to old one in, hence no threads.

I have checked the serial numbers against my parts catalogue and as far as I 
can tell the breathers are common to all axles, so it should be the right one. 
All I can guess is that my axle is a replacement and maybe should have the 
later tube type breather. Before I send away for one, does anyone know if 
these used a smaller thread size than the earlier type? and if not, does 
anyone have any suggestions, I suspect I may have to have the threads in the 
axle re-cut.

All the best from windy Scotland

Dave Lee
1976 109 SIII Safari
1955 Triumph TR2 

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 09:08:02 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com>
Subject: 88 II fluid questions

As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 10:47:27 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers

David Lee wrote:
snip
> Before I send away for one, does anyone know if
> these used a smaller thread size than the earlier type? 

They should be identical and a straight swap.  I've replaced the older 
check valves with remotes on both axles of my 109.  No problem.  I don't see
any reason the Salisbury should differ; same part right?

>and if not, does
> anyone have any suggestions, I suspect I may have to have the threads in the
> axle re-cut.

A strong likelihood, ... or you could take out that BFH and...

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:20:43 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Re: FWH

At great risk I ask:
So, what do people think of FWH on a Rover.......

Please, PLEASE--it's just a joke ;-)

SERIOUSLY,
I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out
opposite each other to help rotate the hub into or out of engagement. In
addition, there are the remains of a blue and white sticker on one of the
hubs. There is no mention of them in the owner's manuals, US supplement,
etc. that came with the Rover.

Anyone out there familir with these?

Thanks
David

p.s. just my $0.02: my experience with FWH on two other SWB vehicles
(non-Rover) has been a noticeable change in the steering; quieter and
tighter turning radius with the FWH dis-engaged. FWIW

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
X-To: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers
X-edited-by: LRO-Lite
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David Lee wrote:
snip
> Before I send away for one, does anyone know if
> these used a smaller thread size than the earlier type? 
They should be identical and a straight swap.  I've replaced the older 
check valves with remotes on both axles of my 109.  No problem.  I don't see
any reason the Salisbury should differ; same part right?

>and if not, does
> anyone have any suggestions, I suspect I may have to have the threads in the
> axle re-cut.
A strong likelihood, ... or you could take out that BFH and...

cheers,

Jeremy

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Subject: 88 II fluid questions
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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

------------------------------

From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Q's on CBs -Reply
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 15:21:00 PST

>From the alternator?  There should be an inline filter for that I think?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

 ----------
From:  William Owen[SMTP:IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 11:51 AM
Subject:  Q's on CBs -Reply

>>> Robert A. Virzi <rvirzi@gte.com>
10/31/96 10:22pm >>>
I'm thinking of picking up some sort of CB for
my truck.  . . .  I can pick up a RadioShack (don't
laugh) portable for $30 used.  Does
that sound reasonable?

I picked up a Maxxon (sp?)hand held unit at
Walmart for less than $60 bucks.  If you want to
use it on hte highway everyday I would get a
regular installed unit or at least get an external
antannae for the handheld.  I got it just for
occasional use like you.  Mainly just to talk to
the others in my group close by or for
emergencies.  For that purpose, it works well
and you can also use it out of the vehicle if need
be.

My only problem is that, when using the cigar
adaptor, i get a whine that varies with engine
speed and makes it almost unusable.  With
batteries it works fine for what it is.

Any ideas on the whine?

Willaim
90 RR

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Subject: RE: Dissension among the Yanks
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:47:00 PST
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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:20:43 -0500
X-To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Re: FWH
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Message-ID: <bulk.26146.19961101101556@Land-Rover.Team.Net>

At great risk I ask:
So, what do people think of FWH on a Rover.......

Please, PLEASE--it's just a joke ;-)

SERIOUSLY,
I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out
opposite each other to help rotate the hub into or out of engagement. In
addition, there are the remains of a blue and white sticker on one of the
hubs. There is no mention of them in the owner's manuals, US supplement,
etc. that came with the Rover.

Anyone out there familir with these?

Thanks
David

p.s. just my $0.02: my experience with FWH on two other SWB vehicles
(non-Rover) has been a noticeable change in the steering; quieter and
tighter turning radius with the FWH dis-engaged. FWIW

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:25:27 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: Door bottom deep in a snow bank:(

Ice Capades, Act II...

I did not realize snow chains acted as snow shoes for tires?  
If you enjoy digging drive up over any old snowbank and sit there.  Eventually 
you'll find one you'll sink in:)! (this is sarcasm, light criticism so take 
it lightly!  Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under 
it, you really have no idea if it's hard packed underneath or soft, as in 
the case of plowed snow with a fresh batch over it, so if it's just you 
then go thrashing all around or whatever, but if other people are 
depending on you to come through, (like the doctors and nurses you 
mentioned you were picking up) please be prudent, not risky.  If your 
truck had sunk in the snowbank you climbed you might have been stuck, 
delaying the arrival of the people you were trying to help, possibly 
hindering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to the hospital 
was a doctor needed to deliver somebody else into this world.  Some times 
time is of the essence, or at least an important factor.  Snow sucks to 
get stuck in.  Blasting through a drift is fun and looks great, unless 
it's really a parked car. (I saw someone do this, quite impressive)

Driver skill in snowy conditions is the major part of the battle, some of 
these 4-wheelers around here are of the weekend warrior mentality and are 
a little too gung-ho for their own good, and the good of other people on 
the road.   Sure driving in snow can be great fun, but go 
nuts in empty parking lots or big fields you're familiar with (ones that 
you've seen before the snow fell, snow covered rock+your truck=$$$)  I'm not 
impressed at somebody's rig blasting along the highway at 
60mph plus in a blizzard.  I'm impressed with their lack of intelligence, 
and will pull over and wait 'til they are out of sight if I can.  More 
often than not they are the ones spun out and in the ditch across the 
highway.  Imagine spinning out in snow at 60 and contacting a guard rail or 
going into a ditch, what fun! NOT!

By the by, if Guinness is the beverage, Padron is the cigar!
Both are dark, full bodied, I'd even say luxuriously strong.  I think 
drinking Guinness reactivates your appendix from vestigial status.

Snow in Ottawa? Send some down here!
Rich
D90 #2948 (looking for a name, still "just" a number)

  

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
X-To: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers
X-edited-by: LRO-Lite
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David Lee wrote:
snip
> Before I send away for one, does anyone know if
> these used a smaller thread size than the earlier type? 
They should be identical and a straight swap.  I've replaced the older 
check valves with remotes on both axles of my 109.  No problem.  I don't see
any reason the Salisbury should differ; same part right?

>and if not, does
> anyone have any suggestions, I suspect I may have to have the threads in the
> axle re-cut.
A strong likelihood, ... or you could take out that BFH and...

cheers,

Jeremy

------------------------------

From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 23:31:16 +0100
Subject: Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> "Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
> English friends might today be speaking German.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>             An American is a person who does things
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain

......sigh.........

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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

 ----------
From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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Subject: 88 II fluid questions
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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:05:57 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Millenium

Thanks to everybody who wished Austria a happy millenium! I will let the 
country know. Let's all hope the next thousand years are better than the 
last, and that I manage to finish my restoration before 2996 (there was your 
LR content!)

Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Thanks again
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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X-To: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
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>From the alternator?  There should be an inline filter for that I think?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

 ----------
From:  William Owen[SMTP:IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 11:51 AM
Subject:  Q's on CBs -Reply

>>> Robert A. Virzi <rvirzi@gte.com>
10/31/96 10:22pm >>>
I'm thinking of picking up some sort of CB for
my truck.  . . .  I can pick up a RadioShack (don't
laugh) portable for $30 used.  Does
that sound reasonable?

I picked up a Maxxon (sp?)hand held unit at
Walmart for less than $60 bucks.  If you want to
use it on hte highway everyday I would get a
regular installed unit or at least get an external
antannae for the handheld.  I got it just for
occasional use like you.  Mainly just to talk to
the others in my group close by or for
emergencies.  For that purpose, it works well
and you can also use it out of the vehicle if need
be.

My only problem is that, when using the cigar
adaptor, i get a whine that varies with engine
speed and makes it almost unusable.  With
batteries it works fine for what it is.

Any ideas on the whine?

Willaim
90 RR

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:47:00 PST
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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

 ----------
From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Re: FWH
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At great risk I ask:
So, what do people think of FWH on a Rover.......

Please, PLEASE--it's just a joke ;-)

SERIOUSLY,
I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out
opposite each other to help rotate the hub into or out of engagement. In
addition, there are the remains of a blue and white sticker on one of the
hubs. There is no mention of them in the owner's manuals, US supplement,
etc. that came with the Rover.

Anyone out there familir with these?

Thanks
David

p.s. just my $0.02: my experience with FWH on two other SWB vehicles
(non-Rover) has been a noticeable change in the steering; quieter and
tighter turning radius with the FWH dis-engaged. FWIW

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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

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Thanks to everybody who wished Austria a happy millenium! I will let the 
country know. Let's all hope the next thousand years are better than the 
last, and that I manage to finish my restoration before 2996 (there was your 
LR content!)

Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Thanks again
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
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Ice Capades, Act II...

I did not realize snow chains acted as snow shoes for tires?  
If you enjoy digging drive up over any old snowbank and sit there.  Eventually 
you'll find one you'll sink in:)! (this is sarcasm, light criticism so take 
it lightly!  Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under 
it, you really have no idea if it's hard packed underneath or soft, as in 
the case of plowed snow with a fresh batch over it, so if it's just you 
then go thrashing all around or whatever, but if other people are 
depending on you to come through, (like the doctors and nurses you 
mentioned you were picking up) please be prudent, not risky.  If your 
truck had sunk in the snowbank you climbed you might have been stuck, 
delaying the arrival of the people you were trying to help, possibly 
hindering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to the hospital 
was a doctor needed to deliver somebody else into this world.  Some times 
time is of the essence, or at least an important factor.  Snow sucks to 
get stuck in.  Blasting through a drift is fun and looks great, unless 
it's really a parked car. (I saw someone do this, quite impressive)

Driver skill in snowy conditions is the major part of the battle, some of 
these 4-wheelers around here are of the weekend warrior mentality and are 
a little too gung-ho for their own good, and the good of other people on 
the road.   Sure driving in snow can be great fun, but go 
nuts in empty parking lots or big fields you're familiar with (ones that 
you've seen before the snow fell, snow covered rock+your truck=$$$)  I'm not 
impressed at somebody's rig blasting along the highway at 
60mph plus in a blizzard.  I'm impressed with their lack of intelligence, 
and will pull over and wait 'til they are out of sight if I can.  More 
often than not they are the ones spun out and in the ditch across the 
highway.  Imagine spinning out in snow at 60 and contacting a guard rail or 
going into a ditch, what fun! NOT!

By the by, if Guinness is the beverage, Padron is the cigar!
Both are dark, full bodied, I'd even say luxuriously strong.  I think 
drinking Guinness reactivates your appendix from vestigial status.

Snow in Ottawa? Send some down here!
Rich
D90 #2948 (looking for a name, still "just" a number)

  

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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
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Thanks

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 23:31:16 +0100
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DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> "Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
> English friends might today be speaking German.
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]
>             An American is a person who does things
>                because they haven't been done before.
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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 23:43:12 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: FWH et al

Hi fellow series lovers

If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
have relented from asking the question. I did not realise that the
discussion of add-ons would provoke such heartfelt reactions between the
US and the UK - well as someone once said, "America and England, two
peoples seperated by a common language!"

Thanks for all the answers to this one, in the course of reading these I
have learnt a lot more about the car I have been driving for 15 years -
which is what this list is all about - let's keep it that way! Thanks!
-- 
adrian redmond

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tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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Ice Capades, Act II...

I did not realize snow chains acted as snow shoes for tires?  
If you enjoy digging drive up over any old snowbank and sit there.  Eventually 
you'll find one you'll sink in:)! (this is sarcasm, light criticism so take 
it lightly!  Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under 
it, you really have no idea if it's hard packed underneath or soft, as in 
the case of plowed snow with a fresh batch over it, so if it's just you 
then go thrashing all around or whatever, but if other people are 
depending on you to come through, (like the doctors and nurses you 
mentioned you were picking up) please be prudent, not risky.  If your 
truck had sunk in the snowbank you climbed you might have been stuck, 
delaying the arrival of the people you were trying to help, possibly 
hindering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to the hospital 
was a doctor needed to deliver somebody else into this world.  Some times 
time is of the essence, or at least an important factor.  Snow sucks to 
get stuck in.  Blasting through a drift is fun and looks great, unless 
it's really a parked car. (I saw someone do this, quite impressive)

Driver skill in snowy conditions is the major part of the battle, some of 
these 4-wheelers around here are of the weekend warrior mentality and are 
a little too gung-ho for their own good, and the good of other people on 
the road.   Sure driving in snow can be great fun, but go 
nuts in empty parking lots or big fields you're familiar with (ones that 
you've seen before the snow fell, snow covered rock+your truck=$$$)  I'm not 
impressed at somebody's rig blasting along the highway at 
60mph plus in a blizzard.  I'm impressed with their lack of intelligence, 
and will pull over and wait 'til they are out of sight if I can.  More 
often than not they are the ones spun out and in the ditch across the 
highway.  Imagine spinning out in snow at 60 and contacting a guard rail or 
going into a ditch, what fun! NOT!

By the by, if Guinness is the beverage, Padron is the cigar!
Both are dark, full bodied, I'd even say luxuriously strong.  I think 
drinking Guinness reactivates your appendix from vestigial status.

Snow in Ottawa? Send some down here!
Rich
D90 #2948 (looking for a name, still "just" a number)

  

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Thanks to everybody who wished Austria a happy millenium! I will let the 
country know. Let's all hope the next thousand years are better than the 
last, and that I manage to finish my restoration before 2996 (there was your 
LR content!)

Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Thanks again
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
X-To: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers
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Message-ID: <bulk.25854.19961101095058@Land-Rover.Team.Net>

David Lee wrote:
snip
> Before I send away for one, does anyone know if
> these used a smaller thread size than the earlier type? 
They should be identical and a straight swap.  I've replaced the older 
check valves with remotes on both axles of my 109.  No problem.  I don't see
any reason the Salisbury should differ; same part right?

>and if not, does
> anyone have any suggestions, I suspect I may have to have the threads in the
> axle re-cut.
A strong likelihood, ... or you could take out that BFH and...

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
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Hi fellow series lovers

If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
have relented from asking the question. I did not realise that the
discussion of add-ons would provoke such heartfelt reactions between the
US and the UK - well as someone once said, "America and England, two
peoples seperated by a common language!"

Thanks for all the answers to this one, in the course of reading these I
have learnt a lot more about the car I have been driving for 15 years -
which is what this list is all about - let's keep it that way! Thanks!
-- 
adrian redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
X-To: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 15:21:00 PST
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>From the alternator?  There should be an inline filter for that I think?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

 ----------
From:  William Owen[SMTP:IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 11:51 AM
Subject:  Q's on CBs -Reply

>>> Robert A. Virzi <rvirzi@gte.com>
10/31/96 10:22pm >>>
I'm thinking of picking up some sort of CB for
my truck.  . . .  I can pick up a RadioShack (don't
laugh) portable for $30 used.  Does
that sound reasonable?

I picked up a Maxxon (sp?)hand held unit at
Walmart for less than $60 bucks.  If you want to
use it on hte highway everyday I would get a
regular installed unit or at least get an external
antannae for the handheld.  I got it just for
occasional use like you.  Mainly just to talk to
the others in my group close by or for
emergencies.  For that purpose, it works well
and you can also use it out of the vehicle if need
be.

My only problem is that, when using the cigar
adaptor, i get a whine that varies with engine
speed and makes it almost unusable.  With
batteries it works fine for what it is.

Any ideas on the whine?

Willaim
90 RR

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 23:31:16 +0100
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DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> "Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
> English friends might today be speaking German.
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]
>             An American is a person who does things
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:06:57 +0000
Subject: Re: FWH et al

Adrian writes:
> If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
> what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
> unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
> have relented from asking the question.
-
I read (some of) the posts with a bit of amusement. There has been 
quite a bit of discussion on engine replacements and I don't believe 
they've generated near the heated debate that ~$150 accessory has.

Guess I'm a moderate. I've owned LR's both with and without locking 
hubs.
Have a good weekend folks.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
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Ice Capades, Act II...

I did not realize snow chains acted as snow shoes for tires?  
If you enjoy digging drive up over any old snowbank and sit there.  Eventually 
you'll find one you'll sink in:)! (this is sarcasm, light criticism so take 
it lightly!  Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under 
it, you really have no idea if it's hard packed underneath or soft, as in 
the case of plowed snow with a fresh batch over it, so if it's just you 
then go thrashing all around or whatever, but if other people are 
depending on you to come through, (like the doctors and nurses you 
mentioned you were picking up) please be prudent, not risky.  If your 
truck had sunk in the snowbank you climbed you might have been stuck, 
delaying the arrival of the people you were trying to help, possibly 
hindering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to the hospital 
was a doctor needed to deliver somebody else into this world.  Some times 
time is of the essence, or at least an important factor.  Snow sucks to 
get stuck in.  Blasting through a drift is fun and looks great, unless 
it's really a parked car. (I saw someone do this, quite impressive)

Driver skill in snowy conditions is the major part of the battle, some of 
these 4-wheelers around here are of the weekend warrior mentality and are 
a little too gung-ho for their own good, and the good of other people on 
the road.   Sure driving in snow can be great fun, but go 
nuts in empty parking lots or big fields you're familiar with (ones that 
you've seen before the snow fell, snow covered rock+your truck=$$$)  I'm not 
impressed at somebody's rig blasting along the highway at 
60mph plus in a blizzard.  I'm impressed with their lack of intelligence, 
and will pull over and wait 'til they are out of sight if I can.  More 
often than not they are the ones spun out and in the ditch across the 
highway.  Imagine spinning out in snow at 60 and contacting a guard rail or 
going into a ditch, what fun! NOT!

By the by, if Guinness is the beverage, Padron is the cigar!
Both are dark, full bodied, I'd even say luxuriously strong.  I think 
drinking Guinness reactivates your appendix from vestigial status.

Snow in Ottawa? Send some down here!
Rich
D90 #2948 (looking for a name, still "just" a number)

  

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Thanks to everybody who wished Austria a happy millenium! I will let the 
country know. Let's all hope the next thousand years are better than the 
last, and that I manage to finish my restoration before 2996 (there was your 
LR content!)

Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Thanks again
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
X-To: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
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>From the alternator?  There should be an inline filter for that I think?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  William Owen[SMTP:IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 11:51 AM
Subject:  Q's on CBs -Reply

>>> Robert A. Virzi <rvirzi@gte.com>
10/31/96 10:22pm >>>
I'm thinking of picking up some sort of CB for
my truck.  . . .  I can pick up a RadioShack (don't
laugh) portable for $30 used.  Does
that sound reasonable?

I picked up a Maxxon (sp?)hand held unit at
Walmart for less than $60 bucks.  If you want to
use it on hte highway everyday I would get a
regular installed unit or at least get an external
antannae for the handheld.  I got it just for
occasional use like you.  Mainly just to talk to
the others in my group close by or for
emergencies.  For that purpose, it works well
and you can also use it out of the vehicle if need
be.

My only problem is that, when using the cigar
adaptor, i get a whine that varies with engine
speed and makes it almost unusable.  With
batteries it works fine for what it is.

Any ideas on the whine?

Willaim
90 RR

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Thanks to everybody who wished Austria a happy millenium! I will let the 
country know. Let's all hope the next thousand years are better than the 
last, and that I manage to finish my restoration before 2996 (there was your 
LR content!)

Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Thanks again
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Hi fellow series lovers

If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
have relented from asking the question. I did not realise that the
discussion of add-ons would provoke such heartfelt reactions between the
US and the UK - well as someone once said, "America and England, two
peoples seperated by a common language!"

Thanks for all the answers to this one, in the course of reading these I
have learnt a lot more about the car I have been driving for 15 years -
which is what this list is all about - let's keep it that way! Thanks!
-- 
adrian redmond

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1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:47:00 PST
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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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Subject: Re: FWH
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At great risk I ask:
So, what do people think of FWH on a Rover.......

Please, PLEASE--it's just a joke ;-)

SERIOUSLY,
I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out
opposite each other to help rotate the hub into or out of engagement. In
addition, there are the remains of a blue and white sticker on one of the
hubs. There is no mention of them in the owner's manuals, US supplement,
etc. that came with the Rover.

Anyone out there familir with these?

Thanks
David

p.s. just my $0.02: my experience with FWH on two other SWB vehicles
(non-Rover) has been a noticeable change in the steering; quieter and
tighter turning radius with the FWH dis-engaged. FWIW

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
X-To: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
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>From the alternator?  There should be an inline filter for that I think?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  William Owen[SMTP:IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 11:51 AM
Subject:  Q's on CBs -Reply

>>> Robert A. Virzi <rvirzi@gte.com>
10/31/96 10:22pm >>>
I'm thinking of picking up some sort of CB for
my truck.  . . .  I can pick up a RadioShack (don't
laugh) portable for $30 used.  Does
that sound reasonable?

I picked up a Maxxon (sp?)hand held unit at
Walmart for less than $60 bucks.  If you want to
use it on hte highway everyday I would get a
regular installed unit or at least get an external
antannae for the handheld.  I got it just for
occasional use like you.  Mainly just to talk to
the others in my group close by or for
emergencies.  For that purpose, it works well
and you can also use it out of the vehicle if need
be.

My only problem is that, when using the cigar
adaptor, i get a whine that varies with engine
speed and makes it almost unusable.  With
batteries it works fine for what it is.

Any ideas on the whine?

Willaim
90 RR

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:34:05 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Favorite LR Beer

>At 01:28 PM 10/31/96 EST, you wrote:
>>>What is a "Watneys"?
>And so begins, once again, the beer thread.

OK, my personal favorite is Bellhaven Scottish Ale.

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> "Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
> English friends might today be speaking German.
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]
>             An American is a person who does things
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>                                             Mark Twain

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
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Hi fellow series lovers

If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
have relented from asking the question. I did not realise that the
discussion of add-ons would provoke such heartfelt reactions between the
US and the UK - well as someone once said, "America and England, two
peoples seperated by a common language!"

Thanks for all the answers to this one, in the course of reading these I
have learnt a lot more about the car I have been driving for 15 years -
which is what this list is all about - let's keep it that way! Thanks!
-- 
adrian redmond

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2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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Adrian writes:
> If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
> what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
> unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
> have relented from asking the question.
-
I read (some of) the posts with a bit of amusement. There has been 
quite a bit of discussion on engine replacements and I don't believe 
they've generated near the heated debate that ~$150 accessory has.

Guess I'm a moderate. I've owned LR's both with and without locking 
hubs.
Have a good weekend folks.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 00:44:06 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Speedo cable

Anyone out there able to shed light on this one:

0 - 60 kilometers per hour - speedo reads "apparantly" correct speed
over 60 (motorway cruising) - speedo pointers swings rythmically between
40 k.p.h. and 80-90 k.p.h. Sudden removal of foot from gaspedal will
send speedo pointer to true speed, regaining positive drive again will
return to wobbly normal.

Cable is new, seems ok on inspection, and is seated well at both ends?

Anyone else had this disease? Whats the cure?

-- 
adrian redmond

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1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> "Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
> English friends might today be speaking German.
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]
>             An American is a person who does things
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>                                             Mark Twain

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From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
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>At 01:28 PM 10/31/96 EST, you wrote:
>>>What is a "Watneys"?
>And so begins, once again, the beer thread.

OK, my personal favorite is Bellhaven Scottish Ale.

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
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Ice Capades, Act II...

I did not realize snow chains acted as snow shoes for tires?  
If you enjoy digging drive up over any old snowbank and sit there.  Eventually 
you'll find one you'll sink in:)! (this is sarcasm, light criticism so take 
it lightly!  Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under 
it, you really have no idea if it's hard packed underneath or soft, as in 
the case of plowed snow with a fresh batch over it, so if it's just you 
then go thrashing all around or whatever, but if other people are 
depending on you to come through, (like the doctors and nurses you 
mentioned you were picking up) please be prudent, not risky.  If your 
truck had sunk in the snowbank you climbed you might have been stuck, 
delaying the arrival of the people you were trying to help, possibly 
hindering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to the hospital 
was a doctor needed to deliver somebody else into this world.  Some times 
time is of the essence, or at least an important factor.  Snow sucks to 
get stuck in.  Blasting through a drift is fun and looks great, unless 
it's really a parked car. (I saw someone do this, quite impressive)

Driver skill in snowy conditions is the major part of the battle, some of 
these 4-wheelers around here are of the weekend warrior mentality and are 
a little too gung-ho for their own good, and the good of other people on 
the road.   Sure driving in snow can be great fun, but go 
nuts in empty parking lots or big fields you're familiar with (ones that 
you've seen before the snow fell, snow covered rock+your truck=$$$)  I'm not 
impressed at somebody's rig blasting along the highway at 
60mph plus in a blizzard.  I'm impressed with their lack of intelligence, 
and will pull over and wait 'til they are out of sight if I can.  More 
often than not they are the ones spun out and in the ditch across the 
highway.  Imagine spinning out in snow at 60 and contacting a guard rail or 
going into a ditch, what fun! NOT!

By the by, if Guinness is the beverage, Padron is the cigar!
Both are dark, full bodied, I'd even say luxuriously strong.  I think 
drinking Guinness reactivates your appendix from vestigial status.

Snow in Ottawa? Send some down here!
Rich
D90 #2948 (looking for a name, still "just" a number)

  

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Subject: 88 II fluid questions
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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 00:44:06 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
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Subject: Speedo cable
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Anyone out there able to shed light on this one:

0 - 60 kilometers per hour - speedo reads "apparantly" correct speed
over 60 (motorway cruising) - speedo pointers swings rythmically between
40 k.p.h. and 80-90 k.p.h. Sudden removal of foot from gaspedal will
send speedo pointer to true speed, regaining positive drive again will
return to wobbly normal.

Cable is new, seems ok on inspection, and is seated well at both ends?

Anyone else had this disease? Whats the cure?

-- 
adrian redmond

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1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
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Subject: RE: Dissension among the Yanks
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:47:00 PST
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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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Adrian writes:
> If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
> what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
> unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
> have relented from asking the question.
-
I read (some of) the posts with a bit of amusement. There has been 
quite a bit of discussion on engine replacements and I don't believe 
they've generated near the heated debate that ~$150 accessory has.

Guess I'm a moderate. I've owned LR's both with and without locking 
hubs.
Have a good weekend folks.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> "Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
> English friends might today be speaking German.
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>             An American is a person who does things
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain

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>At 01:28 PM 10/31/96 EST, you wrote:
>>>What is a "Watneys"?
>And so begins, once again, the beer thread.
OK, my personal favorite is Bellhaven Scottish Ale.

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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X-To: "Lazy Buggers" <mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us>,
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Subject: 88 II fluid questions
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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

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From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
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Ice Capades, Act II...

I did not realize snow chains acted as snow shoes for tires?  
If you enjoy digging drive up over any old snowbank and sit there.  Eventually 
you'll find one you'll sink in:)! (this is sarcasm, light criticism so take 
it lightly!  Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under 
it, you really have no idea if it's hard packed underneath or soft, as in 
the case of plowed snow with a fresh batch over it, so if it's just you 
then go thrashing all around or whatever, but if other people are 
depending on you to come through, (like the doctors and nurses you 
mentioned you were picking up) please be prudent, not risky.  If your 
truck had sunk in the snowbank you climbed you might have been stuck, 
delaying the arrival of the people you were trying to help, possibly 
hindering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to the hospital 
was a doctor needed to deliver somebody else into this world.  Some times 
time is of the essence, or at least an important factor.  Snow sucks to 
get stuck in.  Blasting through a drift is fun and looks great, unless 
it's really a parked car. (I saw someone do this, quite impressive)

Driver skill in snowy conditions is the major part of the battle, some of 
these 4-wheelers around here are of the weekend warrior mentality and are 
a little too gung-ho for their own good, and the good of other people on 
the road.   Sure driving in snow can be great fun, but go 
nuts in empty parking lots or big fields you're familiar with (ones that 
you've seen before the snow fell, snow covered rock+your truck=$$$)  I'm not 
impressed at somebody's rig blasting along the highway at 
60mph plus in a blizzard.  I'm impressed with their lack of intelligence, 
and will pull over and wait 'til they are out of sight if I can.  More 
often than not they are the ones spun out and in the ditch across the 
highway.  Imagine spinning out in snow at 60 and contacting a guard rail or 
going into a ditch, what fun! NOT!

By the by, if Guinness is the beverage, Padron is the cigar!
Both are dark, full bodied, I'd even say luxuriously strong.  I think 
drinking Guinness reactivates your appendix from vestigial status.

Snow in Ottawa? Send some down here!
Rich
D90 #2948 (looking for a name, still "just" a number)

  

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
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David Lee wrote:
snip
> Before I send away for one, does anyone know if
> these used a smaller thread size than the earlier type? 
They should be identical and a straight swap.  I've replaced the older 
check valves with remotes on both axles of my 109.  No problem.  I don't see
any reason the Salisbury should differ; same part right?

>and if not, does
> anyone have any suggestions, I suspect I may have to have the threads in the
> axle re-cut.
A strong likelihood, ... or you could take out that BFH and...

cheers,

Jeremy

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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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At great risk I ask:
So, what do people think of FWH on a Rover.......

Please, PLEASE--it's just a joke ;-)

SERIOUSLY,
I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out
opposite each other to help rotate the hub into or out of engagement. In
addition, there are the remains of a blue and white sticker on one of the
hubs. There is no mention of them in the owner's manuals, US supplement,
etc. that came with the Rover.

Anyone out there familir with these?

Thanks
David

p.s. just my $0.02: my experience with FWH on two other SWB vehicles
(non-Rover) has been a noticeable change in the steering; quieter and
tighter turning radius with the FWH dis-engaged. FWIW

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
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Anyone out there able to shed light on this one:

0 - 60 kilometers per hour - speedo reads "apparantly" correct speed
over 60 (motorway cruising) - speedo pointers swings rythmically between
40 k.p.h. and 80-90 k.p.h. Sudden removal of foot from gaspedal will
send speedo pointer to true speed, regaining positive drive again will
return to wobbly normal.

Cable is new, seems ok on inspection, and is seated well at both ends?

Anyone else had this disease? Whats the cure?

-- 
adrian redmond

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Adrian writes:
> If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
> what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
> unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
> have relented from asking the question.
-
I read (some of) the posts with a bit of amusement. There has been 
quite a bit of discussion on engine replacements and I don't believe 
they've generated near the heated debate that ~$150 accessory has.

Guess I'm a moderate. I've owned LR's both with and without locking 
hubs.
Have a good weekend folks.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:05:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Door bottom deep in a snow bank:(

In a message dated 96-11-01 16:36:44 EST, you write:

>indering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
>for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to t

Rich...where on LI are you again..I know you told me but I forgot...I'm the
guy in the Green Series lll you waved to on the LIE when you were going out
to Bridgehampton for the off road course back in July
I get down there frequently
Rgds
Steve  Albany, NY

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From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Favorite LR Beer
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>At 01:28 PM 10/31/96 EST, you wrote:
>>>What is a "Watneys"?
>And so begins, once again, the beer thread.
OK, my personal favorite is Bellhaven Scottish Ale.

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 18:06:38 -0600
From: inet@intellisys.net (brian whatcott)
Subject: Re: Finding an adaptor for Ford 302 to Landrover

At 02:34 PM 11/1/96, Daryl Webb wrote:
....
>Marks 4wd's here in OZ (they have a web page look at lloyds site) 
>have adapters from ford C4/6/?autos and single rail four speed to 
>the series LR transfer case
...
>daryl
>have adapters from ford C4/6/?autos and single rail four speed to 

I'd like to thank both Daryl and 'ChrisF6724@aol.com' for their incredibly 
helpful fast responses to this Landrover makeover question.

Thanks a bunch.

brian whatcott <inet@intellisys.net>
Altus OK

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:13:24 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Snow 'n' ice

Tim Harincar wrote:

>Someone once told me that winter driving success (or lack thereof) can be
>attributed as follows: 50% tire, 25% vehicle and 25% driver skill.

That'd probably be me.  As a graduate of Jean-Paul Luc's ice driving school 
at Steamboat, they teach you *a lot* of nifty tricks and techniques.  
However, I'd put the driver's skill (or lack thereof - and if you've ever 
had a late model Cadilac slide past you sideways at 25 mph with the driver's 
hands locked in a death-grip with a look of abject terror in their eyes - 
you know what I'm talking about) at 50% with the other two components 
rounding out the equation.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Ice Capades, Act II...

I did not realize snow chains acted as snow shoes for tires?  
If you enjoy digging drive up over any old snowbank and sit there.  Eventually 
you'll find one you'll sink in:)! (this is sarcasm, light criticism so take 
it lightly!  Part of the danger of snow is that it hides everything under 
it, you really have no idea if it's hard packed underneath or soft, as in 
the case of plowed snow with a fresh batch over it, so if it's just you 
then go thrashing all around or whatever, but if other people are 
depending on you to come through, (like the doctors and nurses you 
mentioned you were picking up) please be prudent, not risky.  If your 
truck had sunk in the snowbank you climbed you might have been stuck, 
delaying the arrival of the people you were trying to help, possibly 
hindering the care of patients.  I say this because in my volunteer work 
for a local hospital here on L.I, one of my deliveries to the hospital 
was a doctor needed to deliver somebody else into this world.  Some times 
time is of the essence, or at least an important factor.  Snow sucks to 
get stuck in.  Blasting through a drift is fun and looks great, unless 
it's really a parked car. (I saw someone do this, quite impressive)

Driver skill in snowy conditions is the major part of the battle, some of 
these 4-wheelers around here are of the weekend warrior mentality and are 
a little too gung-ho for their own good, and the good of other people on 
the road.   Sure driving in snow can be great fun, but go 
nuts in empty parking lots or big fields you're familiar with (ones that 
you've seen before the snow fell, snow covered rock+your truck=$$$)  I'm not 
impressed at somebody's rig blasting along the highway at 
60mph plus in a blizzard.  I'm impressed with their lack of intelligence, 
and will pull over and wait 'til they are out of sight if I can.  More 
often than not they are the ones spun out and in the ditch across the 
highway.  Imagine spinning out in snow at 60 and contacting a guard rail or 
going into a ditch, what fun! NOT!

By the by, if Guinness is the beverage, Padron is the cigar!
Both are dark, full bodied, I'd even say luxuriously strong.  I think 
drinking Guinness reactivates your appendix from vestigial status.

Snow in Ottawa? Send some down here!
Rich
D90 #2948 (looking for a name, still "just" a number)

  

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:13:18 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Fast, quiet Rovers

Alex Maiolo brings up an interesting point:

>My car is faster. gets better gas mileage and is just as quiet, if not 
>quieter.  I think it's because...mine was better maintained from the 
>get-go.

Some Rovers of that era just seem to run better.  My brother had a '67 109 
that would run like a scalded dog.  No overdrive, plain ol' 2.25.  But I 
couldn't keep up with 'im in my '72 88" w/ OD.  And the thing wasn't 
breathing hard, either.  The Rover appeared box stock, but we didn't know 
about "taller" diffs back then.  Ran great 'til he rolled it and it got 
parted out.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com>
Subject: 88 II fluid questions
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As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Thanks

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It's the damnedest thing...  Everytime someone says something on the   
list, those with different opinions get on their soap boxes.  I agree   
with Paul Oxley, JUST LET IT GO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Mom, always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it."   
 Of course, I never followed that bit of advice...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 9:22 AM
Subject:  Re: Dissension among the Yanks

DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> I have read about the Free Wheeling Hubs on Land Rovers being "Yank   
Crap".
> Please consider a historical perspective: Were it not for a lot of   
other
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain
Hi Paul,

Since I'm the person who first threw the "Yank" appelation into the mix
(not to insult anyone - not even the hyper-sensitive, who are such easy
meat they're not really worth insulting - but merely as a description of
a country of origin), and who has watched in despair as the advice that
I gave, in good faith, has been flogged to death, allow me to attempt
the 'coup de grace' on this subject. I've follwed these postings quite
closely, no-one (particularly not me) mentioned "crap" in the same
sentence as "Yank".

Of the people who responded in support of the point of view that FWH's
aren't the alpha and omega, I can find only 2 who are identifiable as
being of English origin, again particularly not me!

Please lets kill this subject now. And in future lets try a little more
tolerance and a little less dogmatism (I for one subscribe to the lists
to get other opinions on a subject). And please lets leave the violins
at home.

Kind regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za
"the South African who caused all the trouble" (with apologies to Athol
Fugard)

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
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David Lee wrote:
snip
> Before I send away for one, does anyone know if
> these used a smaller thread size than the earlier type? 
They should be identical and a straight swap.  I've replaced the older 
check valves with remotes on both axles of my 109.  No problem.  I don't see
any reason the Salisbury should differ; same part right?

>and if not, does
> anyone have any suggestions, I suspect I may have to have the threads in the
> axle re-cut.
A strong likelihood, ... or you could take out that BFH and...

cheers,

Jeremy

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Thanks to everybody who wished Austria a happy millenium! I will let the 
country know. Let's all hope the next thousand years are better than the 
last, and that I manage to finish my restoration before 2996 (there was your 
LR content!)

Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Thanks again
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Re: FWH
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Message-ID: <bulk.26146.19961101101556@Land-Rover.Team.Net>

At great risk I ask:
So, what do people think of FWH on a Rover.......

Please, PLEASE--it's just a joke ;-)

SERIOUSLY,
I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out
opposite each other to help rotate the hub into or out of engagement. In
addition, there are the remains of a blue and white sticker on one of the
hubs. There is no mention of them in the owner's manuals, US supplement,
etc. that came with the Rover.

Anyone out there familir with these?

Thanks
David

p.s. just my $0.02: my experience with FWH on two other SWB vehicles
(non-Rover) has been a noticeable change in the steering; quieter and
tighter turning radius with the FWH dis-engaged. FWIW

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:19:30 -0800
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Changing Euphoria Signature

Peter Hirsch asked:

>Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Click on "Window" at the top of the screen, then on the pull-down menu, on
"Signature."  That opens your signature file for editing.  Save your changes
and exit.  Next message will have the new sig.

Cheers,

Granny

Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, Alta California Norte, USA
<gpool@.pacific.net> 707-485-7220 Home; 707-463-4265 Work; 463-5474 fax

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
X-To: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
X-Cc: "'LRO'" <lro@playground.sun.com>
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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 15:21:00 PST
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>From the alternator?  There should be an inline filter for that I think?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

 ----------
From:  William Owen[SMTP:IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us]
Sent:  Friday, November 01, 1996 11:51 AM
Subject:  Q's on CBs -Reply

>>> Robert A. Virzi <rvirzi@gte.com>
10/31/96 10:22pm >>>
I'm thinking of picking up some sort of CB for
my truck.  . . .  I can pick up a RadioShack (don't
laugh) portable for $30 used.  Does
that sound reasonable?

I picked up a Maxxon (sp?)hand held unit at
Walmart for less than $60 bucks.  If you want to
use it on hte highway everyday I would get a
regular installed unit or at least get an external
antannae for the handheld.  I got it just for
occasional use like you.  Mainly just to talk to
the others in my group close by or for
emergencies.  For that purpose, it works well
and you can also use it out of the vehicle if need
be.

My only problem is that, when using the cigar
adaptor, i get a whine that varies with engine
speed and makes it almost unusable.  With
batteries it works fine for what it is.

Any ideas on the whine?

Willaim
90 RR

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
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Hi fellow series lovers

If when I posted my questions about free-whell hubs last, I had know
what a tirade of divergent pan-atlantic intolerance it would have
unleashed onto the more unsuspecting of our fellow subscribers, I may
have relented from asking the question. I did not realise that the
discussion of add-ons would provoke such heartfelt reactions between the
US and the UK - well as someone once said, "America and England, two
peoples seperated by a common language!"

Thanks for all the answers to this one, in the course of reading these I
have learnt a lot more about the car I have been driving for 15 years -
which is what this list is all about - let's keep it that way! Thanks!
-- 
adrian redmond

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tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 23:31:16 +0100
X-To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
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DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:
> "Yank Crap" like jeeps, food, rifles, aircraft, lend-lease and so on, our
> English friends might today be speaking German.
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]
>             An American is a person who does things
>                because they haven't been done before.
>                                             Mark Twain

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:51:15 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: LROA

I have twice sent dues to LROA. I have received exactly one Aluminum Workhorse.

It is only appropriate that this list shoud be a medium to warn people away
from the foolishness of sending money to this ephemeral [at best]
organiztion.

It verges on scandalous for an officer of LROA to proclaim good intentions,
with absolutely no evidence that the organization still exists.

As a two-time "paid up" member, I feel cheated out of the forty bucks that
netted me one lousy black-and-white magazine that had very little content
and less panache.

Give up, guys. LROA is dead, dead, dead as a Dalek.

 _______
 |___|__\__==    Tread softly among dragons,
 | _ |  |  --]   for you are crunchy and taste           <DARWIN><
 =(O)-----(O)=   good with catsup.                        "     "
================

Ned Heite, town crank and contract archaeologist, Camden, Delaware

                             

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:15:14 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Beer

Mike Rooth,  you heretic!!!, using the name of Courage brown water in the
same sentence as TETLEYS.
 When I was a child they used to sing a song about "Drink Red Barrel near or
far, in pub or club or any bar" ...... For me it was good as long as they
drunk it far.. darn sarf.

 Long live Uncle Josh

Bill Leacock   Limey ( Pommie to my antipodean cousins ) in exile  ( 3
months since I last tasted Tetleys ( no not the tea bags )) 

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 17:11:37 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Changing Euphoria Signature

Peter Hirsch asked:
>>Now if somebody could tell me how to change my signature on Eudora?

Granville Pool replied:
>Click on "Window" at the top of the screen, then on the pull-down menu, on
>"Signature."  That opens your signature file for editing.  Save your changes
>and exit.  Next message will have the new sig.

If you have Eudora 3.0, it's the Signatures item under the Tools Item in
the menu bar.

C

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 20:34:12 -0500
From: "David M. Schwarz" <dschwarz@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe

UNSUBSCRIBE Land-Rover-Owner rover2a@xmission.com

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:59:33 +0100
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: Undeliverable message

What the heck is going on? Bruce, Bill,  isn't the major supposed to catch
these after a while??

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Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....uh oh Lucas strikes again :^(
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 03:17:28 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: Millenium

At 11:05 PM 11/1/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Thanks to everybody who wished Austria a happy millenium! I will let the 
>country know. Let's all hope the next thousand years are better than the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>SI 107in S/W
>Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)
Hi Peter
Mazal Tov for Vienna ,Iv'e been there for only two days and it's a beutifull
city,
been at the Prater and had a lot of fun.

Right now I'm ,as you said, still on the 88" cahsis but it's good practice for
my "real" project my 1951 80" ,it's in much better shape accept i'll need a
new engine. I don't even care aboat registration .
Know of any 1600cc engine in any shape?
Is there an appropriate engine I can use of any make ?
I mean without an adaptor , any suggestions ?
Should I look for a 2.25 ?
thanks
Ofir
 

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:35:57 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Ice Capade Quiz

>Why does a LR go better through ice and snow than comparable 4WD vehicles?

Well, first of all, there are no "comparables. ;-)  As someone who bought a 
Rover (new) 25 years ago with the express purpose of getting to the ski 
slopes *no matter what*, I've always considered the success to be based on 
the pairing of the vehicle's weight to horsepower - or lack of same.  First 
off, brute horsepower causes more problems in ice/snow driving that anything 
else.  (Yahoos is jacked-up mini pickups scare the hell outta me in the 
snow!)  Weight is nicely split between front and rear (60/40??)  Tires tend 
to be tall/narrow 7.50X16's, not the gumbo monster mudders that are absolute 
dogs in the snow.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:36:00 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: High-mileage Rovers

Anthony Sanna wrote:

>My '70 IIa still has its "factory" front end after 331,000 miles.

Outstanding!  My '72 has a mere 200,000 - just gettin' broken in.  What is 
the highest mileage anyone has heard of?

Now...about that EZBleed. I made a superior unit for less than $2.  Took a 1 
qt. garden sprayer with a broken nozzle.  Bought a brass hose barb (the 
$1.95 part) and epoxied it into a cap from an old reservoir.  18" of fuel 
line connects to the sprayer jug.  A half dozen pumps and you've got plenty 
of pressure to bleed all four wheel cylinders.  You *could* put a bottle of 
brake fluid into the sprayer if you're changing the fluid rather than merely 
bleeding the system.

Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 19:09:27 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re2: LROA

At 07:51 PM 11/1/96, Ned Heite <eheite@dmv.com> wrote:
>I have twice sent dues to LROA. I have received exactly one Aluminum Workhorse.

 Hi Ned,

 You may be pleased to know that you are still shown on our membership rolls.
 You probably received the last AW in early February, and can expect another
 issue sometime this month.  We hope you will like it.  I am puzzled however
 how it came to be that you paid your dues twice, and will check with our
 Membership Officer John C. White III <jcwhite3@well.com> about this for you.

>It is only appropriate that this list shoud be a medium to warn people away
>from the foolishness of sending money to this ephemeral [at best]
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>It verges on scandalous for an officer of LROA to proclaim good intentions,
>with absolutely no evidence that the organization still exists.

 I respectfully disagree with your opinion of the LROA.  We do have good
 intentions, and I do have evidence that the LROA organization exists.  The
 Land-Rover Owners' Association (LROA) was incorporated as a Nonprofit Nevada
 Corporation on June 14, 1996 and is currently in good standing.

 Please note, the current Board and officers has no apologies to make.  The
 officers are entirely new from a year ago, and is trying to do its best to 
 rescue the LROA.  Although we may have inherited much ill will, we feel that
 it is counterproductive to assail the past leadership and to find fault.
 Instead, the mission of our volunteers is to build this club into the type
 of organization that best meets the needs of its membership and to focus
 on our common desire to enjoy and experience Land Rover ownership, together
 with the continued social aspects of rally's, expeditions and overland trips. 
  

>As a two-time "paid up" member, I feel cheated out of the forty bucks that
>netted me one lousy black-and-white magazine that had very little content
>and less panache.

 The LROA collects dues for membership in the organization, we do not sell
 magazines.  At the last Board meeting however, we voted to extend members'
 dues status to better keep pace with some missed publication of Aluminum
 Workhorse issues.

 As to content of the AW, the magazine reflects the submission of materials
 from the membership.  We do not hire writers, artists or photographers.
 Members and clubs are encouraged to contribute materials and newsletters.
 If you would like to send us your articles, photos, technical tips, comments,
 vehicles or parts for sale or wanted, cartoons, artwork or graphic ideas,
 etc, please address them to:
        LROA/AW Editor, PO Box 130, Walnut Creek, CA 94597.

>Give up, guys. LROA is dead, dead, dead as a Dalek.

 I'm assuming this is an expression of celebration on this Day of the Dead
 (November 1) as practiced by our Mexican brethren. :)

 Kind regards and happy Rovering,

-Michael Carradine
 VP, LROA

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  Rupert '72-88, ?? '89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

 

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 21:02:26 -0800
From: Greg Spitz <Gspitz@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Undeliverable message

Electronic Postmaster wrote:
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> President, Flatland Rover Society
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MAILBOX??

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:53:05 -0500
Subject: head count of F/C  

I own a couple Land Rovers, a 67 88 diesel(Suzy) and a 67 F/C and I am
wondering if I could get a head count of any 2a and 2b forward controls in
the U.S. and Canada. If any one knows of any, I would appreciate the info. I
know of B. Vallerand and J. Pappas. British Bulldog had one but I do not know
who purchased it. Also saw an ad in Hemming's years ago of one for sale in
Alaska.                                                              Regards
in advance, D.B.

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:01:36 -0500
Subject: Limited Edition D110 market watch

I had volunteered to watch the Atlanta market for D110's to come on the
market, but I can't remember to whom, so I'll have to put this on the list.
Sorry to use bandwidth for commercial stuff, but I have no interest in the
truck, and haven't even called. (*Way* out of my price range!)
 In the Atlanta Journal and Constitution today under "sport utility vehicles"
'93 Defender 110 "Good cond. factory air, 40K miles, new mud tires, Rover
brush guard and running boards, No 155. $35,000. (770)993-3896 or
(770)536-9800"
Seems like a better price than I've seen previously. This one actually
depreciated about five grand over the last four years!!
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD engine rebuild under way!
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:07:58 -0500
Subject: Re: parts (another opinion)

Alex seconds:
>TerriAnn is right 
>Brit Pacif. is probably , across the board, the most reasonably priced place
>to get parts.

I've done some business with BP with no problems except backorders. Sometimes
cheaper than RN, sometimes not. For a while it seemed like half what I
ordered was backordered. And getting two stickers 5 months later (I'd
forgotten about them) and charged for shipping was not wonderful. I'm getting
readiy to order from them again but with a NO BACKORDERS provision.

Regards,
David Cockey 

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:19:42 +0100
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: LROA

Ned, and others
I have to disagree with you.
LROA as it was ten years? ago might be over, but that is because the same
people who worked their tails off to try to keep things together were
getting tired of doing all of the work. Steve, Dom, Bob-n-Sue (not to
mention others, I forget the names) and especially Brad deserve a standing
ovation for all the time they put into the
organization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Things have changed over to a new group. They have been picking up the
pieces left over from the old club and trying to re-organize things to make
it better. They are not sitting on their keisters counting the money stolen
from innocent LRO's. They are trying to set things up to be truely a
national organization. Things take time to do right!  Please sit tight and
wait patiently. Things are coming together. Soon an issue will be coming to
a mail-box near you.(as long as the address has been updated with LROA) If
you have twice sent dues, than you will still recieve the next seven issues
if I am doing my math correctly. LROA cannot get back on it's feet if
evryone keeps bitching and bad-mouthing them! Send in an article! a
classified ad, photographs of your beloved beast, stories of your local
clubs activities, tech tips etc.
        Instead of kicking the poor guys when they are down and trying to
get back up, why don't you offer to lend a hand!!
Paul
        A proud member of LROA ( I am sending my dues for the next year
this week)

>I have twice sent dues to LROA. I have received exactly one Aluminum Workhorse.
>It is only appropriate that this list shoud be a medium to warn people away
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>================
>Ned Heite, town crank and contract archaeologist, Camden, Delaware

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....uh oh Lucas strikes again :^(
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:30:02 +0100
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: LROA

>It is only appropriate that this list shoud be a medium to warn people away
>from the foolishness of sending money to this ephemeral [at best]
>organiztion.
ephemeral?  LROA has lasted a good many years, may have appeared dormant,
but....

>As a two-time "paid up" member, I feel cheated out of the forty bucks that
>netted me one lousy black-and-white magazine that had very little content
>and less panache.
>Give up, guys. LROA is dead, dead, dead as a Dalek.

Ned, a club is what it's members make it to be. Are you saying that you
want it to be over? I hope not. I can understand being upset, but wait and
see. Maybe John and crew will surprise you and you will be proud.

>Ned Heite, town crank and contract archaeologist, Camden, Delaware

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....uh oh Lucas strikes again :^(
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:20:13 -0500
Subject: Re: 88 II fluid questions

>As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
>it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
>brakes and clutch. I am guessing this probably doesn't exist anymore, so
>what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????

Use Castrol GTLMA brake fluid, available at decent imported auto parts stores
and many others, as well as RN, etc.. Note that some other DOT 4 fluids may
not be compatible with the Girling rubber.

Regards,
David Cockey
Rochester, MI  

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:35:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re2: LROA

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Michael Carradine wrote:

>  As to content of the AW, the magazine reflects the submission of materials
>  from the membership.  We do not hire writers, artists or photographers.

	Editors?

>  If you would like to send us your articles, photos, technical tips, comments,
>  vehicles or parts for sale or wanted, cartoons, artwork or graphic ideas,
>  etc, please address them to:

	Hypothetical question:  I have material to submit.  Should I send
	it to AW, or to my active local or regional club?

	Hypothetical question two:  An organisation suffers for various
	reasons and very nearly collapses. (for all purposes to the outside
	wrld it has collapsed)  This organisation during the collapse
	generates a richly deserved reputation as well as a very healthy
	bank account. Fresh blood arrives on the scene.  Is it fair that
	they can take the name, the assets, and all the goodwill, yet
	divorse themselves from the past?  Do they bear any responsibility
	for past actions?  If no, yet this is the *same* organisation, 
	is this considered ethical?

	Hypothetical question three:  An organisation claims that it
	is national.  It ignores active regional entities.  If these
	half dozen or so regional entities, with smaller local ones,
	co-operate in scheduling events, exchange information, would
	that, more ephemeral, group have a greater claim to being
	a national entity?

	I have more if you wish.

	You are trying hard, I just think you are going about it in
	not the most effecient fashion.

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:35:31 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: 88 II fluid questions

At  9:08 AM 11/1/96 -0800, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>As I was reading through the repair guide recently I noted that for my 59 88
>it says to use Girling clutch and brake fluid for, you guessed it, the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>what should I use, brake fluid DOT 3 or what????
>Thanks

So why are you guessing that DOT 4 brake fluid doesn't exist any more?  Its
in my Land Rover.  Look for the blue Castrol brake fluid container at all
finer automotive parts shoppes.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: BSROA beach drive
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:50:50 -0500

End of season beach drive:

SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 24TH

SANDY NECK beach on Cape Cod

Half-season pass available on site. This will allow you to get another Club drive there in next Spring (pass good until April 15TH).

We will gather at a local restaurant after the drive on the Cape.

Vehicle kit same as required for driving at Race Point.

Members being advised through newsletter.

LRO's interested can contact Club line at 617-545-4743 and check event mailbox for details as we get close to event.

RSVPs should be in by NOVEMBER 17TH.

Cheers
Jim

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: 1997 D90 TEST DRIVE!
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:20:37 -0500

I was able to log about fifteen minutes behind the wheel of a white NAS =
1997 D90 SW yesterday at Metro West - the car is on loan from LRNA for =
use in the Boston Auto Show - sorry - it's not for sale!

No surprises as far as drive and powertrain - same as an automatic =
Disco. Smooth shifts, ample power when you kick down the tranny. NVH to =
me not a whole lot different than a `95 model w/the A/T tires. But it =
was definitely quiet!! SW helps, but not as much noise from the xfer =
case dept.

Interior nice. New center console vast improvement over old one - =
cupholders off of transmission tunnel now. Room for CD-changer inside =
console!

Instruments nice a smooth - appear to have flat glass covers - =
calibration markings different - solid state gauge pack - speedo is =
electrically driven and has LCD odometer!!

Seating material similar to `94/`95 ragtop vinyl - grey. Tweed cloth of =
D110 and D90SW for 1995 is no more...

This particular unit had no A/C so I was unable to get a sense of the =
*new and improved* A/C unit for the `97 models...

For those who have one on order and contemplate adding Air Conditioning =
- tell your dealer to specify PORT-INSTALLED air conditioning - and =
you'll save about $700 over adding it at the dealer level!

Summary? I don't think anyone would be disappointed in this Defender! =
Off-road, the automatic will make marginal drivers look real good! The =
wagons start arriving next month. Ragtops sometime in the first quarter =
of 1997.

The automatic box also means that used prices for 94-95 models won't see =
much downward pressure until they start logging lotsa miles! Good news =
also for current stick-shift owners.

More information as I get it.

Product brochures for all of the 1997 models are at dealers now.

Cheers
Jim

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:44:11 -0800 (PST)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Clubs

I joined a Land-rover club last march ( after owning a land-rover for 20
years). I really did not expect anything for the memberships dues.  Anyway,
I`ve helped out at 2 events and participated in 1 and must say,  meeting the
other rover owners, camping out, establishing new relationships  learning
new things about my vehicle and finding new sources for parts or vehicle has
been worth more than 100 times what I`ve spent for dues!!!!!!! I love it and
wish I`d joined 20 years ago.                       John Cooper 1969 11a
(PACIFIC COAST ROVER CLUB)                                 It would be great
to link all the clubs!!!!!!

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From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: Synthetic oils
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 23:27:13 EST

Just my .02 on synthetics...

I drive, daily, my 1990 ford Probe GT 110+ miles. I have used Mobil1
since Day-1. I often leave it parked for weeks at a time at Chicago's
O'Hare airport while I'm on out-of-town business, sometimes in absolutely
abominable cold. I have never had any problem starting. I change the
valve cover gasket yearly to a)avoid leaks and b) inspect the camshaft
for wear. 

In 180,000 miles of HARD driving, I have never noticed wear on the
camshaft. I have every bit of compression I ever had. There is none, and
has never been, any coking in the engine(I'm told since synthetics are
purer than conventional oils, they don't have the residual carbon
associated with distilled petroleum based oils. Traces of residual carbon
make candle flames glow, and are deposited on the inside of your engine
by conventional oils when they are heated.) 

I change the oil evey 6000 miles and change the filter every 3000 miles.
The savings in time spent changing oil are worth it to me. When I get MY
rover, later this year, I will be converting it to all synthetic fluids.

Mark Hardig
Robot1@juno.com
Robot10@aol.com

genius is one percent inspiration and 99% a garage full of assorted junk

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