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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:28:58 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

Mark Gehlhausen was dropped on his head and asks....

>Has anybody direct experience open fire BBQing with a Series 
>grille?  True that the grid openings are so large a half chicken
>is the smallest piece to not fall through?  Mark 
-

No-body's lived to tell of it... Remember, the bugger is galvanized. Start
burning off that zinc and coating your food with it... Yummmm...

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:29:00 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: FWH

David asks...

>I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
>unlike any I have ever seen. Each hub has two levers that unfold out
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>hubs. There is no mention of them in the owner's manuals, US supplement,
>etc. that came with the Rover.
-

Have those hubs on my '71... Can't remember what the make is (It's on the
farm.. 30 miles from where I am). We also had the same type on a Jeep pickup
when I was a kid, so I think they are probably American made. 

The thing to look out for with those hubs is that if the detent balls that
hold the levers in place wear out, the levers can flip out on thier own and
cause all sorts of problems. Other than that, they are peobebly OK.

Cheers
 
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:28:54 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: 100 MPH

Steve Reddock lives to tell of it....

>My V6 (2.8 from a Granada) lightweight did 100 MPH. It's not something
>that I would like to sit at for too long as it was a little noisy.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa........thunk

Were you being towed at the time??

Did you have to change your shorts afterwards??

 

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:29:02 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: High-mileage Rovers

>>My '70 IIa still has its "factory" front end after 331,000 miles.
>Outstanding!  My '72 has a mere 200,000 - just gettin' broken in.  What is 
>the highest mileage anyone has heard of?
-

There was a SerII from Quebec at the British Invasion weekend in Stowe that
had over 200,000 - Michel Bertrand might know the exact figure. The real
interesting thing was that the truck was fitted with a field sprayer. Never
driven in winter..

Cheers
 

Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:28:56 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: : AIDS (fwd), it's a school project, 

Dave Bobeck sez...

>>pretend you have been infected and pass this on to someone else.   
>>This is an AIDS awareness project it is not meant to offend anyone
>Well, now you've gone and infected everyone on the list, you shameless hussy!
>You really oughta get to know 'em a little better first...
-

Actually, Dave, if you noticed, LRO-light deleted 400+ lines of the original
message... Now, how do we equate that to real life??

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 11:23:02 -0800
From: Greg Spitz <Gspitz@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Limited Edition D110 market watch

Solihull@aol.com wrote:
> I had volunteered to watch the Atlanta market for D110's to come on the
> market, but I can't remember to whom, so I'll have to put this on the list.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> Looking for a P5 project
> Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!
something fishy going on here just saw a 93 D110 for sale in Chgo Tribune 
for $51,500.....please explain....

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 11:30:02 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: head count of F/C 

Deezilbob@aol.com wrote:
> I own a couple Land Rovers, a 67 88 diesel(Suzy) and a 67 F/C and I am
> wondering if I could get a head count of any 2a and 2b forward controls in
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Alaska.                                                              Regards
> in advance, D.B.

I had the good fortune to sit in the FC model that belongs to the fellow 
who runs Pauls Safari Service in Niagara Falls Canada.  He says he is 
going to make a camper out of it.  I think he had two when I was there.  
Someone from the Toronto club or OVLR might be able to get the serial 
numbers and other data for you.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 11:42:04 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: FWH

Mike Loiodice wrote:
> David asks...
> >I do have a question. My newly purchased '69 IIA SWB has a pair of FWH
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
> NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
>                      #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

I have read with interest the thread about the FWH's.  I thought the ones 
with the levers that flipped out and were rotated were just a cheap 
aftermarket type available in Canada, but I see others have had that type 
as well.  I have had all kinds, and I have noticed that the WARN ones 
with the brass turn handle are superior to any others I have tried.  The 
only recent issue I have seen that seem good on paper are the Fairy made 
ones.  One other point about parts on Land Rovers, has anyone noticed 
that the rear axle straps on the Land Rover are not the same.  The one 
for the left is marked part number 709 and it is about three inches 
longer than the right market part number 705.  The real question is why 
is the left one slightly narrower than the right.  I only noticed this 
when I ordered two new straps. Perhaps these are just two different 
brands and that accounts for the different width. 
Weather here turned very cold.  We had a windchill of -26 the other 
night.  My Land Rover is living outside in this and it is starting very 
well so far.  I guess the carb tuneup has really helped.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 12:41:06 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Limited Edition D110 market watch

>something fishy going on here just saw a 93 D110 for sale in Chgo Tribune 
>for $51,500.....please explain....

My thought would be 51k is way too high, someone will pay it (not me)
and 35k is only 5k under what it sold for 3 years ago.
I don't care what it has on it a three year old car shouldn't cost 11k more
that the original sticker.
just my thoughts on it.
Mike Johnson  N7WBO

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:52:19 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Limited Edition D110 market watch

Greg Spitz wrote:
>>something fishy going on here just saw a 93 D110 for sale in Chgo Tribune 
>>for $51,500.....please explain....
Mike Johnson Replied:
>My thought would be 51k is way too high, someone will pay it (not me)
>and 35k is only 5k under what it sold for 3 years ago.
>I don't care what it has on it a three year old car shouldn't cost 11k more
>that the original sticker.

When I bough my Disco, there was a '95 D110 on the lot for $30K.  The
dealer simply didn't know what they had.  I later spoke to the salesman I'd
delt with on the Disco, and he said they just didn't realize that the
market would bear that kind of price.  It happens sometimes--not often, but
sometimes.  Obviously the Atlanta seller doesn't understand that they a
very rare vehicle.

C

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 09:56:41 -0800
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Re: D90 SW...UK Pricing?

>Date:    96-11-01 09:02:21 EST
>From:    RoverNut
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>So go shoot yer gun! Go to McDonalds! Top off that fuel tank! Be Wasteful!
>You're an AMERICAN!

>Alex Maiolo
>69 IIa
>89 Range Rover

While it's true that we pay less in the US for Land Rover vehicles than
they do in the UK for the equivelent vehicle, and our fuel prices are (for
the time being, anyway) considerably lower, the folks across the pond have
a big advantage in the number of Land Rover models they can choose from,
where we in the US are stuck with the "top of the line" versions brought in
by LRNA.  In the UK you can get a V-8, a 4-cyl. gas, a 4 cyl turbo diesel
(tdi) or a 6 cyl diesel (BMW) engine.  You can get 3-door or 5-door
Defenders and Discoveries.  You can get pickup trucks, standard or high
capacity.  You can get a 130-inch, high-capacity, crew-cab pickup (my
personal favorite).  You can get your Defender or Discovery with rear side
windows or not.  You can get a plain-Jane Range Rover or one with all the
US gew-gaws.  Plus there are all sorts of used and surplus Land Rovers
readily available in the UK that are extremely difficult and costly for
someone in the US to obtain: Forward Controls, Lightweights, Fire Engines,
etc.  For owners of older Land Rovers, there are a bunch of good engine
conversions to meet all sorts of requirements.  The number of parts and
accessories available in the UK is almost infinite and they are relatively
inexpensive.  While you can get most of these things shipped to the states,
the cost of shipping something even on a slow boat across the Atlantic is
astronomical.  I know because I do it a lot.

So it's pretty much an even swap in my book.  We pay less for the vehicles,
but our selection is extremely limited and is confined to the higher-priced
versions LRNA decides we want.  Too bad they don't import the "Sheep
Farmer's Special" to the US, the Defender 90 with a basic hardtop, no side
windows, tailgate, tdi engine, and the five-speed transmission.  In the UK,
that vehicle is relatively inexpensive yet is every bit as capable as the
tricked-up versions we get over here.

C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III 88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 14:08:21 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Limited Edition D110 market watch

>>something fishy going on here just saw a 93 D110 for sale in Chgo Tribune
>>for $51,500.....please explain....
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>that the original sticker.
>just my thoughts on it.

Just to really scare you... US D110's I know that have sold recently range
from 38,000 for an avergae used one, to 54,000 for a 5,000 mile like new
one.
We talked about this before... supply and demand. Probably about 450 unts
left, times how many people??? 35,000 is actually on the cheap side.
Look at 5 speed D90's, now that only autos will be sold, the 5 speeds have
jumped back to around their original sticker price... for resale.
Bad for us, but good for owners of them.
Where else you gonna get a NEW car, drive it for a year or two, then sell
it for just about what you paid for it!!
According to my Rover sources, Defenders prices are on the way UP as well
to very high levels in the next year or so. So take your sticker shock
*used and new prices* medication!!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 12:38:23 -0800
From: Greg Spitz <Gspitz@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Limited Edition D110 market watch

Solihull@aol.com wrote:
> I had volunteered to watch the Atlanta market for D110's to come on the
> market, but I can't remember to whom, so I'll have to put this on the list.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> Looking for a P5 project
> Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!
Gainsville Georgia....45 minutes away....if you call he said you can come 
anytime..
Thanks
Greg

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 14:34:16 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: FWH

David Place sez...

>.....  One other point about parts on Land Rovers, has anyone noticed 
>that the rear axle straps on the Land Rover are not the same.  The one 
>for the left is marked part number 709 and it is about three inches 
>longer than the right market part number 705.  The real question is why 
>is the left one slightly narrower than the right.
..

The length is, of course, to take in account the axel re-inforcing. Never
noticed a differance in width though. I have a brand new set here - they are
exactly the same width.

Cheers
Mike
 

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From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 20:55:39 +0100
Subject: Re: FWH

Mike Loiodice wrote:
> David Place sez...
> >.....  One other point about parts on Land Rovers, has anyone noticed
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> exactly the same width.
> Cheers
> Mike

Axel re-inWHAT ?????? I'm not going to force anything in my axels, they
might snap.... But I'd still like to know why the lengths aren't the
same.
might be because the shaft between the G'box and the diff is off centre?
I seem to remember that the staps were to spare the joints on the
gearbox and diff.
FLoris Houniet

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:03:34 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Blonde in a Jeep

Dear all, Doug's fairy tale about the woman in the jeep (and his reaction) 
reminded me of an old Viennese story. I have to say that the two 
protagonists, Bobby and Rudy, are members of the Austrian nobility 
(prohibited in 1918), are both well-bred, some very common people would say 
overbred, and not exactly what you would call intellectual.

Anyway, Bobby and Rudy have a lunch date; Bobby arrives in a sparkling Range 
Rover instead of the 48 streetcar. Rudy: "Bobby - how can you afford a 
*nice* car like this?" Bobby: "Long story, Rudy. Last night I went to rhis 
little bar, and there was this nice blonde in a fur coat, and so we started 
chatting, and then we went dancing, and we went to a night club, and then 
she said she wanted to go for a drive in the Vienna woods. Now since I don't 
have a car that would have been a problem, of course, but it turned out she 
had a car, and so we went for a drive. All of a sudden she drives off the 
road, stops in a secluded place in the woods, unbuttons her fur coat and 
says "Bobby, you can have whatever you want...". So I took the Range Rover, 
since the fur coat would have been too small."

(In the original the car is a Mercedes Benz, but I had to get some LR 
content in there, didn't I?)

BTW, did you know that you can't use fwh's on a Range Rover? What is the 
other list discussing, I wonder?

Good freewheeling
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:03:53 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: LROA

>LROA is dead, dead, dead as a Dalek.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Ned Heite, contract archaeologist, Camden, Delaware
^                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No wonder Ned was attracted and paid his membership dues twice!
See you in Iceland in 98, Ned!
Just joshing
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: 1997 D90 TEST DRIVE!
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 96 08:14:00 EST

Jim,
I keep noting references to D90.  Is this a Defender 90" wheelbase machine? 
 We don't get 90" in Australia, only the 110" and 130" models.  Does the SW 
mean station wagon?  If so, how the heck to you get a station wagon on a 90" 
(shorty) wheelbase?  It must be cosy!
Did you say auto Defender? We can only get manuals here and only the 300 
TDi.
Autos and V8i available for Discos.

Ron
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From: Jim Pappas
Cc: 'land-rover-owner@playground.sun.com'
Subject: 1997 D90 TEST DRIVE!
Date: Thursday, 31 October 1996 12:20PM

I was able to log about fifteen minutes behind the wheel of a white NAS 1997 
D90 SW yesterday at Metro West - the car is on loan from LRNA for use in the 
Boston Auto Show - sorry - it's not for sale!

No surprises as far as drive and powertrain - same as an automatic Disco. 
Smooth shifts, ample power when you kick down the tranny. NVH to me not a 
whole lot different than a `95 model w/the A/T tires. But it was definitely 
quiet!! SW helps, but not as much noise from the xfer case dept.

Interior nice. New center console vast improvement over old one - cupholders 
off of transmission tunnel now. Room for CD-changer inside console!

Instruments nice a smooth - appear to have flat glass covers - calibration 
markings different - solid state gauge pack - speedo is electrically driven 
and has LCD odometer!!

Seating material similar to `94/`95 ragtop vinyl - grey. Tweed cloth of D110 
and D90SW for 1995 is no more...

This particular unit had no A/C so I was unable to get a sense of the *new 
and improved* A/C unit for the `97 models...

For those who have one on order and contemplate adding Air Conditioning - 
tell your dealer to specify PORT-INSTALLED air conditioning - and you'll 
save about $700 over adding it at the dealer level!

Summary? I don't think anyone would be disappointed in this Defender! 
Off-road, the automatic will make marginal drivers look real good! The 
wagons start arriving next month. Ragtops sometime in the first quarter of 
1997.

The automatic box also means that used prices for 94-95 models won't see 
much downward pressure until they start logging lotsa miles! Good news also 
for current stick-shift owners.

More information as I get it.

Product brochures for all of the 1997 models are at dealers now.

Cheers
Jim

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 13:23:25 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: F/C head count

At 10:53 PM 11/1/96 -0500, <Deezilbob@aol.com> wrote:
:I own a couple Land Rovers, a 67 88 diesel(Suzy) and a 67 F/C and I am
:wondering if I could get a head count of any 2a and 2b forward controls
:in the U.S. and Canada. If any one knows of any, I would appreciate the
:info.  I know of B. Vallerand and J. Pappas. British Bulldog had one but
:I do not know who purchased it. Also saw an ad in Hemming's years ago of
:one for sale in Alaska.  Regards in advance, D.B.

 There are a couple of FC's owned by a reclusive LR collector in southern
 Oregon.  One FC is a softtop, the other a hardcab, neither are registered
 or even driveable as they apear to have been siting for 5+ years.  This
 guy even has a power trailer.  A driveshaft from the axle connects to
 the back of the FC to make an articulated 6x6 (sounds impressive, eh?)

 Regards from the SF Bay Area,

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                           Rupert '72-88
 510-988-0900          [________]                 Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 16:44:08 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: FWH

Floris Houniet sez...

>Axel re-inWHAT ?????? I'm not going to force anything in my axels, they
>might snap.... But I'd still like to know why the lengths aren't the
>same.
>might be because the shaft between the G'box and the diff is off centre?
-

Well.... if you climb under your Rover and look at the bottom of the axel,
you will see that one side (the left-hand side) has a reinforcement under
the axel casing. The strap for that side has to be longer. What the straps
do is to limit the downward travel of the axels.. or to limit the amount of
body roll in extreme conditions.. Haven't quite figured out which yet.. it's
a point of view thing...

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:28:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Magazines

Just finished complaining about the price of LR Owner Int, got my renewal
notice for LRW, @ 65 pounds sterling which is just short $100.

 Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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