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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Judge Dredd
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 07:40:00 DST

Steve Reddock wrote "I was at Dunsfold on Sunday. There were 2 BT liveried 
ROAD LEGAL 101s
with the Judge Dredd bodywork fitted."

Why, Oh, Why would Judge Dredd 101's be in British Telecom livery?

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:47:51 +0000
Subject: Re: What have I done??

>| >| When I first read this, I thought it was referring to sleeping
>in the Landy. | >| I haven't managed it, but I know a lass who has (I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>anything to do with it... hm! new point of view.... will have to
>think about that.  ;-)

I lived in my 90 for 3 months a couple of winters ago. Quite 
pleasant. Drive up into teh hills, choose a nice view to wake up 
to........

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:10:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Vermin Smell!  Help!

Forgot to add this to my other post.   The Series III had been inhabited by
at least one mouse, and no doubt a colony at one point in time.  Fact is,
the truck smells really bad!!!!  As I was driving it the other day, I
noticed some small nuts falling onto the dash from the front trim piece
above the windscreen...I really didn't want to find out what was up above
the headliner, but HAD to try and get rid of the smell.  Well, the treasure
I found was about 6 pounds of small nuts, 8 pounds of mouse excrement,
various nesting materials, and one quite dead, mouse.
     Headliner was removed, as well as the straw/cloth insulating material
glued to the top.  Smell persisted.  Copious application of Lysol and
general airing out...smell persisted.   What works best(other than putting
another top on!)!?  Should I get some stuff from the pet store that is
specifically for domestic animal mistakes?   My mother(God bless her!)
suggested spraying with hot water/Clorox bleach mixture.  Somebody help me!
I have a new headliner, but it's not going in until the smell exits!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA 88", 1974
Series III 88"

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:13:23 GMT
Subject:       Re: Sleep/fuel pressure

Re. sleep, as those who observed our arrival at Dunsfold on sunday 
will have noticed, all it takes for my 3 year old is a smooth driver, 
(I'm a part-time ambulance-man) and a pair of .44 Magnum rated ear 
defenders (soon to be needed only for the land rover.....) and he's 
away.

Re. fuel pressure, when we used webers esp. this was a critical 
problem, weber UK used to sell a regulator, with or without a filter, 
called Filter King, improved the mpg noticibly when fitted, most cars 
with webers as oe have a return line to take care of over pressure.

>.
 Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:24:08 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Vermin Smell!  Help!

John Cassidy wrote:

> Forgot to add this to my other post.   The Series III had been inhabited by
> at least one mouse, and no doubt a colony at one point in time.  Fact is,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> What works best(other than putting
> another top on!)!? 

New frame worked for me (see web page below)

-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Vermin Smell!  Help!
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 13:40:37 BST

Smell removing will need a vicious smell remover - bleach or strong paint
stripper?   :-)

or, mask it. Most landies have some kind of smell. Mine tends to smell of
paint, thinners, oil (esp. gear oil on long runs during hot days), exhaust
fumes (technically illegal), WD40, brake fluid (weak smell, tastes digusting,
but a wicked paint stripper!), anti-freeze (also tastes surprisingly foul),
silicone sealant, Lucas rubber (burning!), burning clutch disks
(lastnight's "experience"!),etc.

:-)

With the clutch, I was on the way to the "Thatched Garage" to have the clutch
done. It finally gave up about 5 miles short (30 mile journey). Hopefully
it will be done tonight or for tomorrow.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:59:16 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Konig Winch Parts Wanted/Series III Questions

>>    One good bit of news...only headlight that was functioning was driver's
side high beam.  I though for sure it was some difficult electrical
problem.  
             ....lro-lite kiss my butt....

>>Used the multimeter and found the wires to be hot at both high
and low beam positions and promptly purchased two new sealed units.  Voila!
High and low beams!  I have to justify that mulitmeter to my wife somehow!

Sheesh...could've used a 5 dollar test light for that one!

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:58:15 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Vermin Smell!  Help!

>I have a new headliner, but it's not going in until the smell exits!
>Cheers!  John

You could always try cooking up a good curry in the back.Replace
the smell with a more powerful one:-)

cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:00:25 +0200
Subject: Re: Judge Dredd

On Oct 8,  7:40am, Easton Trevor wrote:

> Why, Oh, Why would Judge Dredd 101's be in British Telecom livery?

Hm. Must be a new policy from the bill collectors dept. "Pay up,or else..."

TK

1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: In Baad taste
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:21:53 +0930

Oh come on, whatever happened to a sense of humor - or has your Land Rover
lost it!
Alan

----------
> From: EvanD103@aol.com
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Date: Saturday, 5 October 1996 22:33
> I feel that Bill Adam's posting re. the ship wreck survivor and the sheep
was
> quite reprehensible.  He might recall that Pierre was run off the LRO
list in
> disgrace in March of 1995 after posting a similarly disgusting tale
entitled
> "Pierre's Introduction to Off Road Tuition" describing in vivid detail
his
> experiences with a group of eight healthy young ladies.  I printed that
> posting at the time so I could refer to it occasionally - it was THAT
> disgusting.  Bill Adam's posting was followed by one by Bent Bohlers
asking
> "how it is possible to mount a high lift on a Rover?"  
> What depths of depravity have we sunk to?  Let's stop posting this filth!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Stone Mountain, Georgia
> 1973 Ser III

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: What have I done??
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:15:15 +0930

Sounds like a normal Land Rover to me!  

Welcome to the fold.

----------
> From: David Booth <dbooth@innotts.co.uk>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Yes I bought my first Land Rover, Why?
> I have been looking for a LR for about a month, and reading from this
group
> for about the same time, when it happend, I had to buy one. Its a 1972
> series 3 ex-MOD lightweight diesel and since owning it about a day I have
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> While driving it back I had to break very sharply, as I did I found the
> right front wheel locked up but not the left causing me too slide
sideways
> across the road!!
> 2
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> 3
> When first starting the engine there is what looks like white smoke
coming
> out of the exhaust, this seems to pulse on and off for a bit and then
> vanishes.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> 5
> I have also found that sleeping is now impossible, I can only sit up in
bed
> muttering "What have I done!!!"
> If anyone has any ideas how I can solve some of these problems, the
> 4
please
> tell me because it might help to solve the last one.
> David Booth
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> England
> 72 Series 3 lightweight

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:20:50 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Vermin Smell!  Help!

At  8:10 AM 10/8/96 -0400, John Cassidy wrote:

>Forgot to add this to my other post.   The Series III had been inhabited by
>at least one mouse, and no doubt a colony at one point in time.
[snip]
>     Headliner was removed, as well as the straw/cloth insulating material
>glued to the top.  Smell persisted.
;
Go to a pet store & tell them you want to get rid of the smell of tom cat
spray.  Follow the directions.  Treat your interior a couple of times.  The
stuff is expensive but it works.  You might just want to treat your entire
interior.

The Clorox/water mixture is for sterilizing.  It gets bacteria & fungi &
such but not odors.  Never mix bleach with household cleaners & detergents.
Not unless you wish to study the effects of clorine gas on lungs.

Once things are deodorized and clean, if you wish, you can add your
favorate fragrance. It works best at a low level to add a plesent smell and
not large doses to cover an unplesent smell.

I use a bottle of redwood oil to remind me of home (I live on the edge of
the redwoods).

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: In Baad taste
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 09:27:00 PDT

Give me a break.  I thought it was funny!  Oh, and in case your eye sight   
is failing you, you might want to read the subjects and decide what not   
to read!  If you don't like it, get off the list!

Douglas "getting off the soap box" Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  EvanD103@aol.com[SMTP:EvanD103@aol.com]
Sent:  Saturday, October 05, 1996 9:03 AM
Subject:  Re: In Baad taste

I feel that Bill Adam's posting re. the ship wreck survivor and the sheep   
was
quite reprehensible.  He might recall that Pierre was run off the LRO   
list in
disgrace in March of 1995 after posting a similarly disgusting tale   
entitled
"Pierre's Introduction to Off Road Tuition" describing in vivid detail   
his
experiences with a group of eight healthy young ladies.  I printed that
posting at the time so I could refer to it occasionally - it was THAT
disgusting.  Bill Adam's posting was followed by one by Bent Bohlers   
asking
"how it is possible to mount a high lift on a Rover?"
What depths of depravity have we sunk to?  Let's stop posting this filth!
 E-mail it to me first for review.
   erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
1973 Ser III

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:20:59 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Used chassis

>Dear all,
>        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
>currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
>so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them

>Mike
>          I'll take the front springs. Assume they will fit
>          my 88"
>so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them
        Dear All,
        At this time the client wants the entire rollong chassis to go as a
unit. But I'll keep the requests in case he changes his mind. Thanks!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 09:31:41 -0400
From: "johnsonm (wk)" <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Konig Winch Parts Wanted/Series III Questions

Bobeck, David R. wrote:

>>Used the multimeter and found the wires to be hot at both high
>>and low beam positions and promptly purchased two new sealed units.  Voila!
>>High and low beams!  I have to justify that mulitmeter to my wife somehow!
> Sheesh...could've used a 5 dollar test light for that one!

I think his point was that he was going to have the multimeter
regardless.  And like me uses any use of it to justify it.  Measuring
the resistance from my left hand to my right hand (measure the lethal
current).  I could use 10 cents worth of parts to test it. two wires and
some steel wool,  when the steel wool catches fire, there's current.
-- 
Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (chester)
73 SIII 88 (jezabel)

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 09:54:47 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Vermin Smell!  Help!

TeriAnn advises:

>>The Clorox/water mixture is for sterilizing.  It gets bacteria & fungi &
such but not odors.  Never mix bleach with household cleaners & detergents.
Not unless you wish to study the effects of clorine gas on lungs.

Sound advice...don't use tilex on your body panels either...some household 
cleaners specifically mention that they are not to be used on aluminum OR 
painted surfaces. Don't ask me how I know this.

>>Once things are deodorized and clean, if you wish, you can add your
favorate fragrance. It works best at a low level to add a plesent smell and
not large doses to cover an unplesent smell.

WOT!! Blasphemy!!

>>I use a bottle of redwood oil to remind me of home (I live on the edge of
the redwoods).

Give me rotting upholstery and gear oil any day, babe.
If it looks like a rover, it oughtta smell like a rover.

Olfactorliy Yours

Dave "This ain't hints from Heloise" B.
:-):-)

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:57:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Hella Lights on Discovery

well for $65 I found a local place that subcontracts anyway for the local
Rover dealer to install 4 Hella Lights professionally onto one
switch....seemed like the way to go

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 09:16:52 -0500
Subject: Re: starting problems

Chris sez...

> thinking about a carb. rebuild, mine says SOLEX on it.  now,
> looking in my Haynes manual, i see a photo of a solex that looks
> nothing like mine!  in fact, the photo they show of the zenith
> looks almost exactly like my solex.  this is a little odd.  could
> it be a misprint, or do i just have a very strange carb???

Not a misprint or anything. My Zenith is exactly the same way. I heard   
someplace that solex bought Zenith hence the solex stamp. My carb was new   
in 1992 (thanks to the PO) and caused me a bit of confusion, too, when I   
first had to take it apart.

Sounds like you're flooding. I had similar problems when I first got my   
LR.

Go ahead and open it up, its pretty simple as far as carbs go. As other   
people have said, make sure the body halves arn't warped by setting them   
on a piece of glass. If on side is warped (my top half was), sand it with   
400 or 600 wet/dry sandpaper to get it smooth again.

Also, note the float adjustment as per the Haynes manual. Its pretty   
critical to have this right to keep from flooding out. When I checked   
mine, it was *way* off, causing my problems. (I think the PO bought it,   
assumed everything was adjusted correct and bolted it on right out of the   
box).

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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From: "Gene Sparks" <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: Roof lighting wire route
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:33:42 -0700

Ken,
What worked for me was routing the wire under the rubber seal along the
windshield!
~~~~~~~^~~~~~~^~~~~~~~~~~^~^~^~~~~~^^^~~~~~~~~~ 
                                            o          
      _____                  o  o 
      /|__|_\__(| ===     o                                  Gene Sparks
   __________         o                _\_             Aberdeen, WA
  /  |---|___|___\___  o            >(___ ’>       USS Disco    
 {  |~~_|=  |=  |o___ }  ===                              
      (O)             (O)                                                  
           
===============================================

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From: "David Booth" <dbooth@innotts.co.uk>
Subject: Problem moves to new level
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:10:25 +0100

Thanks to all who replied to my origanal message."What have I done??"(And
no I don`t sleep in my LR)

Back to the white smoke question I asked -
 ("When first starting the engine there is what looks like white smoke
coming out of the exhaust, this seems to pulse on and off for a bit and
then vanishes.")

Well it seems to look alot worse than it did before. It is now like plumes
of white smoke when I start it which last for quite a while, well saying
its smoke, it does feel wet if I hold my hand in it. I have also noticed
that if I look in my radiator (this is while it is still cold and not
running) it appears to be full, but if I squeze the hose that goes down to
the thermostat, it doesn`t have any water in it? (strange I thought water
found it own level?) The expansion tank is about half full.
So next I thought `Head gasket`, checked the engine oil, nice and black? No
creamy gunk?
Could it be a cracked head or cylinder, or would this also leak water into
the oil?
This is getting worse!!

David Booth

72 seriesIII Lightweight (slowly coming to bits!)

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 12:58:58 -0400
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure, etc.

John Cassidy says his "...Smith's oil pressure unit does not appear to be
functioning. How do I test/trouble shoot this, and how does the damn thing
come out of the dash!?"

If it's electric, my recommendation is to take it out and replace it with a
hydraulic one.  I found one in a wrecked MG out behind a local British car
repair shop.   Cost me only a few bucks, and it's the same size as the
electric gauge.  I did have to adapt the fitting for the sending unit a bit
to accept the gauge feed tube (drilled it out and tapped it for 1/4" npt),
and plumbed it all in with compression fitting stuff from the auto parts
store.  A resourceful Roverite ought not to have any problem making this
conversion.  Sorry I can't help with removal.  Mine's a IIa.

I'm glad I made this replacement, as I've noticed a general fall-off in my
oil pressure in the last year.  When it was really hot this Summer, idling
oil pressure would fall to 15 psi or so, and the idiot light would flicker.
At speed pressure is a steady 50 psi.  I've got the parts to rebuild the
pump, but it doesn't seem so bad now that it's cooler.  Anybody got any
lessons learned with oil pump rebuilding?

Additionally John states, "The fuel gauge  seems to have decided to take a
vacation as well.  Tank is full,  but it reads just proud of 1/4  full.
Where do I start?"

Sound like a bad sending unit to me.  These are pretty cheap from the
sources in the UK.  

Scott Fugate
1970 IIa 88
1989 RR

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:08:25 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: LRO in the media

I would appear that the weekend's spate of junk-mail has died down - at
last! But a thought occurred to me.

I seems that quite a few of us on the list work in the media or
entertainment industry (myself, Bill Adams, a few more?)

Could it be that somewhere alonge the line, one of us has got onto a
media-related mailing list without knowing/wanting it, and that they
have got onto LRO by some simple search on our names?

Beat's me, but it's damn irritating, and I hope one of us is not
unwittingly responsible. Any Ideas on how to avoid such junk?

-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 11:41:51 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: LRO in the media

At 07:08 PM 08/10/96 -0700, Adrian Redmond, wrote

>Could it be that somewhere alonge the line, one of us has got onto a
>media-related mailing list without knowing/wanting it, and that they
>have got onto LRO by some simple search on our names?

It's all quiet at my end Adrian.  I haven't had a piece of junk mail for a
couple of weeks or more (knock on wood!). 

                                                         Rick Grant

Cobra Media Communications, Calgary Canada
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
rgrant@cadvision.com

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Galvanising in Virginia
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 13:35:00 DST

Picked this up off  the company newswire. It may interest ROAV members

  Oct. 7--Virginia Galvanizing Corp. has opened a 41,000-square-foot
   plant in Ashland, which employs a protected under-kettle heating
   system to ensure a uniform coating of zinc on products. It can
   accommodate a 75-foot beam.

** Galvanized steel is used in bridges, electrical towers, buildings,
   industrial plants and as component parts of manufactured
   equipment. The plant was financed with industrial revenue bonds
   offered by the Hanover Department of Economic Development.
   Virginia Galvanizing Corp. is the only galvanizing company in
   Virginia. The chairman of the company is Stewart Von Herbulis and
   the president is Harry Francis.

 AutoZone has opened an auto parts store at 7207 Brook Road. The
   7,600-square-foot store employs between 10 to 14 people. AutoZone
   is based in Memphis, Tenn.

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 14:22:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Galvanising in Virginia

>>>.
  Oct. 7--Virginia Galvanizing Corp. has opened a 41,000-square-foot
   plant in Ashland, which employs a protected under-kettle heating
   system to ensure a uniform coating of zinc on products. It can
   accommodate a 75-foot beam.

This the place that charges $2.50 a pound? Screw them! 

Thanks for the thought.

Dave B.

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:43:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Vermin Smell! Help!

John;

     Contact AIRSEPT 1-800-999-1051
they are in Roswell, Ga. car dealers use their stuff...no personal experience
but had the number on file just in case
tell them you want AIRSEPT Odor Treatment
Hope it helps
Let us know
Rgds
Steve

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Galvanising in Virginia

In a message dated 96-10-08 14:24:35 EDT, you write:

>t
>   plant in Ashland, which employs a protected under-kettle heating
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Thanks for the thought.
>Dave B.
Dave;
I seem to recall some info on  Baltimore Galvanizing here awhile back I think
the contact person is John.  Don't think they were that expensive
anybody confirm or update this info?
may have been Nate Dunsmore but not sure who posted it
Rgds
Steve Bradke   72 S lll ( for sale )
                      68 S lla 88
                      96 Discovery

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:41:15 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Honouring obligations...

Hello all, 

I am seeking advice and feedback from the list on a matter that is close to
my heart. Like many other Land Rover owners, I trade, buy and sell used
parts to be able to make my vehicle roadworthy, comfortable, and up to my
standards. This list is a very good medium to find that good part that you
are looking for and the price is usually fair, i.e. less than a new part
from one of the Parts houses. I often supplied parts to guys a few hundred
miles away from me and I was glad I could help'em out, I am not looking for
any profit, but just getting rid of a part that was siiting too long in my
garage. Several times a week I see non-commercial ads for parts wanted or
for sale on the list. It is all part of a good and honest friendship and so
far I never was confronted with a bad experience. Except once, which was a
few days ago.

A deal was done on some parts changing hands. The price was negotiated and
fixed. A delivery date was settled and everything seemed fine. However, the
seller decides to change his mind, saying that he wants to keep the parts
after all. The deal goes down the drain without consent of both parties.
Legally, there was a contract and the seller didn't honour his obligations.
I could ask him to do so and take all legal actions available to do so and I
would undoubtly win my point. But the Land Rover community is like a family,
and no-one wants to brake-up such a family. 

How should the LRO react? Let it go like nothing happened and forget the
whole thing? Everytime he gets a deal on some parts, run to his "normal" car
(it's faster) and get immediately to the seller/buyer's place as fast as
possible in case he changes his mind, even if it's 300 miles away?

If the buyer/seller was a company, it would certainly be easier, but in this
case, it is a private party.  

What kind of confidence should we expect from fellow LRO's?

Up to now, this confidence was rated very high on my scale, for example
having parts here that I promised to a guy I don't know 1 year ago and still
available for pick-up at any time. Am I too naive, trusting strangers that I
never met, or am I just unlucky?

It happened to me over the weekend for the first time and I know it happened
to others as well in the past (It must have). How did other LRO's react? 

I would really like to have your comments on this issue since I believe it
is a very important one to me, since it is the only way that I can manage to
own a Land Rover. If I couldn't buy used parts, I wouldn't be able to own
one, not even three, which is the case.

Apologies for the extra-long post, but I firmly believe that it is relevant.

Frustrated in the Townships, 

Michel Bertrand

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:02:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "M. ABERCROMBIE" <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: Re: Honouring obligations...

At 03:41 PM 10/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello all, 

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 71 lines)]
>1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
>					       \______/
>mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!
---Does the person that you were supposed to buy the parts from live in
---Searsport, Maine by any chance?  

---M. Abercrombie
---Belfast, Maine USA
---1969 SWB HT 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 16:02:16 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Problem moves to new level

When addressing one's troubles to the list for helpful responses, it's a 
real good idea to specify model, year and engine as it helps to weed out 
the BS. Throw it on your signature and you'll not forget.

If you are experiencing actual smoke and not white steam (which will 
dissipate faster), you more than likely have an oil problem. There must 
be water in that hose as your puke tank is half full.
Water in the mix will definately prevent the diesel from firing at all, 
so we can pretty much rule that one out.
I guess you've got either a sticky valve, badly worn valve guides or 
thrashed valve seals. Or all three. This will allow the engine to suck in 
huge gobs of that disgusting black gunk you use as engine oil, thereby 
causing a minor Exxon Valdez situation in you immediate environment. 
Check for dead canaries.

What to do?

Remove the cylinder head and get it to your friendly rebuilder's. Be sure 
they have experience in diesels! Too expensive right now? See thread on 
rope trick re: valve seal replacement. Or blow hot death on all who 
venture near. Yer call, bud.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:05:42 -0400
From: agscsmps@post.kosone.com (s stoneham)
Subject: Honouring obligations (Again sorry Michel)

Hi Michel,
I have some bad news about the roofsides,after thinking about the parts
collected
from the 109 pickup stored in my garage for the past few weeks(I can't help
but see them every time I go out there)I'm having a real tough time thinking
about selling
them.(I know it's really not fair and why the heck did I say I'd sell them)
I sure hope you can understand as fellow Land Rover owner and that you won't
be to 
peed off at me.
I really should have taken more time think about what I was doing but
basically I figured I could use the money to restore my Wagon.(I can see I'm
going to have some serious storage problems in the near future as when I do
find a Rover part I
inexplicably fall in love with it and can't bear to part with it)Right now
I'm "only"
short a frame and tailgate to reassemble the pickup and as of late I'm
hopeful that I can find a frame at a reasonable price.(tailgate's don't seem
to be hard to find)
I have had other offers on the hardtop,some for more money and if this was
the reason for me changing my mind after the agreement we had I'd feel like
a rat and probably
not be too concerned about how you felt.
Lastly,for the past roughly 2 months I've eaten,slept and worked with Rovers
on my mind(ask my wife,she's getting pretty tired of it)and this isn't an
easy decision for me make but I think I should take the winter to try to
track down a reasonably priced 109 frame for the pickup as overall I need a
lot less parts to reassemble it.
I shouldn't have made a snap judgement(on the LRO list for the first couple
of times)
to sell the hardtop,which also stems from a desire from me to try to help
people and I'm hoping you'll understand.
Regards,
Steve
PS,If there is anything else I can find for you(believe me this won't happen
again)
please let me know.I will keep my eye's open for another hardtop.
(This is the original letter to which Michel refers,I realize I was at fault
but will not hide behind my P.C.)

------------------------------

From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 15:12:29 MST
Subject: AZ 88 4 Sale Again

I'm RE-posting this for a friend who doesn't have access to e-mail.  I posted 
this a while back. Greg had a "committed" buyer from Pennsylvania who 
subsequently backed out of the deal after Greg told other interested parties it 
was already sold.  So it's back on the market again.

FOR SALE  1967 SIIA 88" SW, (VIN 24432030B).  Safari top, light green, new 
radial tires, new battery and battery box, new fuel tank, roll bar, no frame 
rust, straight body, very clean.  $4500.  Contact Greg at 520-322-0115 in 
Tucson AZ.

I can attest to the description.  I have driven it and it is a clean machine.  
Very strong engine and runs great.  Please direct inquires to Greg, but if you 
want a second opinion e-mail me direct.

Rob Modica, Tucson AZ                                          
Arizona Land Rover Owners  
rmodica@east.pima.edu
'51 SI 80" hardtop #16136629  "La Rana"
'60 SII 109" SW Safari #16400620 "The Tortuga"
'94 Disco 5spd 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Honouring obligations...

Hi,
        Regarding your request for reaction from people from the list.
         Just like you I too need to buy, sell ,and trade new and used parts
in order to keep my Landrovers going. The fact that a person has sellers
remorse and decides not to sell somthing seems to be a pretty petty issue to
bring to the list. After all we are talking about Land Rover parts, not
organ donations.
        If in all your dealings with people you have been disappointed once,
you should consider youself lucky. The fact that the only thing that you
spent was your time and lost no money during this transaction makes me want
to think their is somthing else going on. In the past their have been
discussions of many people who have been screwed out of thousands of dollars
by bogus Rover companys who (as far I Know have not got their money) are
still involved in litigation. 
        I think your opinon about the group is a very accurate one.
Information, honesty, and friendship is what I have gained while being apart
of this list. I also understand this is a hobby (fun) for most of the people
on this list and I think sometimes people lose track of that.
        Soooo, Give the guy a break, pour yourself a Guiness and go work on
your Rover.
        Rover On,
                Blair

At 03:41 PM 10/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello all, 

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 72 lines)]
>1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
>					       \______/
>mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover 
1972 S III 88
1967 FLH HD

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:41:04 GMT
Subject: models
From: wleacock@usa.pipeline.com (William L. Leacock)

Went to a local junk auction at the weekend, and after some fierce bidding
bought a half dozen EKO models, HO gauge made in Spain, still in the boxes,
amongst which was a ser 2 88, green, ( Uncle Roger records a grey version )
with  a windscreen and no top, cost me $4 plus tax. Was I done ? Anyone
know the year of manufacture of theses models ?  
 
 regards  Bill Leacock    Limey in exile

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 17:47:03 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: diesel smoking suggestions wanted (long)

I'd like to solicit some ideas on possible causes of, what I consider, 
excessive smoking from my 2.25 diesel in my '64 109. First a description, 
then some data:
DESCRIPTION OF SYMPTOMS:
1)No smoke at cold startup for 10-15 seconds.
2)Moderate but annoying amounts of blue/white smoke at idle, hot or cold.
3)Really terrible smoke on trailing throttle (downhill or when even slightly 
slowing down with my foot lightly on the throttle)
4)No smoke slowing down if I remove my foot from the throttle
5)No smoke at/near full throttle on the highway (confirmed by a friend 
following in his diesel. He reported seeing only heat waves coming out the 
exhaust)
6)Fuel consumption is 27mpg highway, 15mpg city.
BACKGROUND DATA:
1)engine is a marine version, early IIA, professionally rebuilt in '72.
2)engine was run after the rebuild, but not much, according to the guy I 
bought it from.
3)engine was stored under cover until '95, with the fuel system sealed and full.
4)engine was easily started after installation, replacement of filters and 
flushing and bleeding of the fuel system.
5)pencil-type glowplugs have been fitted. An old (non functional) set of 
stock glowplugs was tried without affecting the smoking problem.
6)engine uses no oil. There is no blow-by at idle, nor any indications of 
blow-by. No indication of dilution. Haven't done a compression check yet, 
but hand-cranking indicates all cylinders have equal compression and not 
much leak-down. (don't try to crank start a 2.25 diesel)
7)no coolant consumption. No residue in coolant. 190deg thermostat. No 
temperature problems.

MY CONCLUSIONS:
1)Smoke is excess fuel, not oil
2)Related to governed fuel control
3)Bad injectors?
4)Bad injector "idle" jets?
5)not valve seals (no oil consumption, no smoking at WOT, no smoke at full 
deceleration, no blow-by)
6)not rings
7)could it be the injector pump$$$?

To save bandwidth, suggestions can be made directly to me.
Thanks,
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

------------------------------

From: David W Scott <birddog@atl.mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Hello
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:16:14 -0600

----------
From: 	GElam30092@aol.com[SMTP:GElam30092@aol.com]
Sent: 	Tuesday, October 08, 1996 12:42 PM
Subject: 	Hello

Damm.. long time since I noticed a post from you... may have just not =
noticed
if you did post.

How's your multiple rebuilts going?  Making any progress?   I'm headed =
that
way for Christmas... parents are in Brent AL.  Thought about coming over =
your
way but we only have 3 days.  Oh.. it happens.
  ..
Gerry
Slow progress for the birddog, had an angioplasty, I believe these =
things are going to kill me.  Have the total nut and bolt 88 ready to =
wire and put on the sheet metal...figure another year.  the other seven =
sit in their group therapy session figuring out how to extract the last =
dime from my pocket.  they resemble a group of X wives.   come see me =
I'm in the phone book in Auburn.  I can show you 8 rovers and a lot of =
laughs at my follies.  David Scott

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:22:29 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: models

At 00:41 96-10-09 GMT, you wrote:

-Went to a local junk auction at the weekend, and after some fierce bidding
-bought a half dozen EKO models, HO gauge made in Spain, still in the boxes,
-amongst which was a ser 2 88, green, ( Uncle Roger records a grey version )
-with  a windscreen and no top, cost me $4 plus tax. Was I done ? Anyone
-know the year of manufacture of theses models ?  

Hmmm, Ser 2? Between 1958 and 1961...:-)

4$!! Gee, these CKD kits are fairly cheap!!

Keep rovering, and keep modelling...

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:26:12 +0800 (SGT)
From: silkris@pacific.net.sg (Silver Kris)
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure, etc.

>Sound like a bad sending unit to me.  These are pretty cheap from the
>sources in the UK.

Also try checking the voltage stabiliser, its a little metal box with 3
wires attached, and mounted behind the speedo

------------------------------

From: anieto@mofo.com (Nieto, Armando S., Jr.)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:28:10 -0700
Subject: Not read: Fuel pump?

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 22:59:11 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Konig Winch Parts Wanted/Series III Questions

John Cassidy sez...

>    I have a couple of questions regarding trouble shooting two gauges on
>my  recently acquired Series III.  The Smith's oil pressure unit does not
>appear to be functioning. How do I test/trouble shoot this, and how does
>the damn thing come out of the dash!?  

You could have a bad guage but more than likely it's a bad sender or maybe a
broken wire on the sender. The sender is located at one end of the oil
filter. Check out the condition of the wires and the push on lugs at the end.
There are actually two senders - one for the guage and one for the warning
light. If you turn on the ignigtion, and ground the wires (electrically to
the engine block) you should see the warning light go on and I think the
guage should read something. If you can get the guage to move, try replacing
the pressure sender.

To remove the guage from the dash, you will have to remove the metal piece
directly above where the guage is located. This metal piece is in the
"parcel tray" and is held in by a couple of screws. Then, there is a plastic
cover over the guage. The cover is held on by two screws with nuts. After
you get that off, you will find the usual bracket holding the guage in
place. Accessable from the back, of course.

>    The fuel gauge  seems to have decided to take a vacation as well.  Tank
>is full,  but it reads just proud of 1/4  full.  Where do I start?

Try cleaning the terminal on the fuel tank where the wire attaches. You may
also have a bad ground at the tank due to corrosion or whatever at the
mounting points.

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Honouring obligations (Again sorry Michel)

Dear S. Stoneham and Michel:
As a "disinterested party" but a Land Rover lover from far away: it looks
like a misunderstanding to me. You are both passionate Land Rover owners.
You owe each other a Guinness, and a toast to getting your Land Rovers
fixed up as you desire. Thanks to you both for posting to the list.
Best wishes,
David Rosenbaum

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 20:22:41 -0700
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Land Rover Sighting on C.B.S.

Mike Loiodice wrote: Sorry Mike you did'nt write any of the following ,I
just used a reply off your posting to get in quick. !09  C.B.S. in movie
"Them" any one know who owns it?
T. Spoto
2 x 72 88's none a 109
1 x 67 88 also not a 109

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:42:01 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rally report

I'll let the other 'net denizens fill you in on the rally.  Yup, it was 
pretty cold Friday night...folks down from New York said that they hadn't 
had frost up north yet.  The only problem Friday night was that some bloody 
git left the tap open on the keg of porter.  $50 worth spilled into the tub. 
:-0  And for those trying to find the site, the signs started disappearing 
early.  By Sunday morning, *all* had been knicked.

The rally featured a number of competitions: teeter-totter, Aluminium Man 
Triathlon, blindfold obstacle course, we even had a slow race.

In the teeter-totter, the winners were:
        1) Eric Bautz, 14 seconds
        2) Greg Wilson, 37 seconds
        3) David Stauffer, 50 seconds

The Aluminium Man Triathlon featured a mechanical task (timed spare/road 
wheel swap), the trails course (complete with a written trivia test at the 
end), and as we were running late, an orienteering run Sunday noon to locate 
control points by compass - and then identify the parts.
        1) David Ryan
        2) Jeff Berg
        3) Jared Silbersher

The blindfold obstacle course had the navigator communicating to the 
blindfolded driver by UHF radio.  (The second place winner was guided by his 
10 year old daughter!)
        1) Stuart Moore
        2) Jeff Ham
        3) John Ryan

Most Functional Vehicle:  the "St. Johns Ambulance"
Peoples Choice: Bob McCullough's '67 Forward Control
Slow Race: Bob McCullough, again.
Greatest Distance Traveled:  Pat Parsons, up from Miami Beach in his 110.  
(Sorry Dixon, Miami is at least 2" farther away..on the map that is.)

Someone ripped into the feeley-meeley box and took out all the parts, so 
that competition had to be abandoned.  However, the dinner and movie at the 
drive-in went well (in keeping with the 'fifties' theme of the event) with 
81 vehicles in attendance, and the band back at the farm sounded *great*.

There was a nice article and photos on the front page of Monday's 
Charlottesville paper, including Jared at the wheel of his 101.  There was 
also a nice close-up of David Bobeck's green beastie.

Dixon counted 133 vehicles.  We had 132 registered, and that did not count 
my two, Mike's 88 (nor his "fleet" of project vehicles scattered about), the 
Camel Trophy Disco, nor the several vehicles from LRNA or Land-Rover 
Richmond.  Including several who snuck in Sunday, the total was probably 
145.  Incidentally, if anyone left/lost a male tabby kitten that was 
discovered in cat-hater Jared Silbersher's 101, let me know.

Many thanks to the sponsors who donated prizes or made contributions to the 
event:
        Land Rover North America
        Land Rover Richmond
        British Pacific
        Atlantic British
        Rovers North
        D.A.P.
        EuroParts
        WorldWide Brands (though their shipment of Camel Trophy gear 
continues to languish in customs bond somehwere)

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:10:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Rally report

On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> Greatest Distance Traveled:  Pat Parsons, up from Miami Beach in his 110.  
> (Sorry Dixon, Miami is at least 2" farther away..on the map that is.)

	Oh well, considering I SAABed it there... :-)  Only thing that
	saved it was the claim that the SAAB pull is an OVLR event
	& ROAV had to pick a different marque to drag about...  :-)

	Next year I'll try to bring the beastie down.  Need a worst of
	show award though...

	Rgds,

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:13:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Wisdom and Justification....

Blair Gillespie wrote;

>John,
>       Just my humble opinon but it looks like you are able to justify just
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>       Rover On,
>                Blair

Blair,
      I can justify just about everything to myself...especially when I am
alone with no one to tell me I'm wrong!  ;-)  But seriously, my wife is
very understanding, but has also become quite knowledgeable about Rovers
during our short stint of ownership.  The Series III  that I just purchased
was owned by an acquaintance of mine and I have patiently waited over two
years for it to come on the market.
      I used to be  an impulse shopper(and still am on some small ticket
items!), but my wife tempers my enthusiasm with healthy skepticism as to
the purchase in question.  It seems that if I demonstrate to her(sometimes
I feel like a lawyer!) that I have researched the buy and that it's a good
deal for the $, she can accept it some small way.
      As you can see, we are a Rover family, but I do like motorcycles!
The Ducati is the Italian sportscar I'll never have, and the others were
bikes  that I had my eyes on for literally years before purchase!
      My wife is the best, but my 3 year old takes the cake! When I drove
the Series III into the yard, he said, "Daddy, why did you buy that cool
truck for!?"  Before I could answer  him, he added, "that truck is really
very cool!."  Very cool indeed!

Cheers!  John

P.S.  I also used the argument that each of our sons will have his own
Series truck to drive in 14-16  years, saving us the cost of new/used
vehicles for them!

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA 88", 1974
Series III 88"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:40:12 -0700
From: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (john hess)
Subject: weatherstripping, where to start a restore.

Hello all,

being completely out of my mind I have picked up a derelict rover that will
be a resto project for my son (age 10) and me.  If it is driveable when he
turns 16, he can have it.  How do I start?  Take the whole thing apart and
paint the frame?  The frame is great and I think POR-15 outside and waxoyl
inside would make it impervious to anything.  The panels and guts?  I guess
they need to come out and be dealt with.  Any pointers, understanding that
probably very little will be done this winter?

Also,  (see first sentence above) I am getting an 88 pu.  needs paint,
needs the seats recovered and door panels and floor mats and a headliner
but runs good.  Also needs weatherstripping.  I have had loads of fun with
genuine (an my dormobile) and wonder if anyone has used and can recommend
the adhesive installed stuff that atlantic british sells.

cheers to all,

PS. for those who don't know, I have the dormobile page:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

I have added a couple new pages:  our trip home and a couple outings in the
mendocino national forest.  your feedback is welcome.  dormobile interest
and correspondence appreciated.

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover and Mazda owner!

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: Problem moves to new level
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:16:30 +0200 (METDST)

Hello David,
|  ("When first starting the engine there is what looks like white smoke
| coming out of the exhaust, this seems to pulse on and off for a bit and
| then vanishes.")
OK. A little diesel theory (You had a diesel, right??): 
A cold normal aspirated diesel will produce white/grey/blue smoke 
at the start. This is just unburned fuel and normal. My 2.5D 
smokes for about 1/2 km if I drive off right after starting.
Turbocharged diesels however produce black smoke at the start for a
reason I forgot. 
If you have a coolant leak (eg in the head gasket) you'll have white 'smoke'
more or less all the time. Why should the leak stop when the engine is warm?
You'll loose water, too. But there needn't be any water in the oil if it just
leaks into the cylinder.
If your engine burns oil (eg. shot piston rings / valve stem seals) you'll get
blue smoke that clearly smells like burned engine oil.

You should be able to distinguish this possibilities by the smell of the smoke.
So try to smell and tell us what engine you have. And keep an eye at the 
oillevel (will rise if you get water in there or fall if you burn it) and
the waterlevel. 
If you are very uncertain, I'd drop by a good workshop (need not necessarily be
a LR one) and ask an experianced mechanic.

Cheers,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Subject: Dunsfold and LR's for hire 
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 02:07:26 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us>

	The family is heading over to the UK from 23 Nov to 3 Dec (mostly
Cornwall and London).  I seem to recall that the Dunfold Land Rover Trust
is somewhere South of London.  Is is true, or is my memory flakey?  Aslo,
this wouldn't happen to be when they are open to the public, would it.

	As a second question, does anyone know of any firms that have LRs
for hire.  There will be 6 of us and Mom is thinking of renting a minivan.
My thoughts are that if we hav to rent something that big, we might was 
well rent a D110.   So does anyone have any info on LRs for hire?

Ben
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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