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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Dunsfold and LR's for hire 

On Wed, 09 Oct 1996, Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote:
>Cornwall and London).  I seem to recall that the Dunfold Land Rover Trust
>is somewhere South of London.  Is is true, or is my memory flakey?  Aslo,
>this wouldn't happen to be when they are open to the public, would it.

Dunno about Dunsfold, but make sure you check out the British motoring heritage 
museum in Gaydon, about an hour's drive south of Solihull.  Setup by the 
remnants of British Leyland, their collection of unique Rovers is exceptional.  
Also, try to get a tour of the factory.  Just call Land Rover's number in the 
FAQ and they'll out you in touch with the right person.  Although they normally 
require several month's advance notice, I told them I was an enthusiast over 
from the 'states and they fitted me in the next day!

>	As a second question, does anyone know of any firms that have LRs
>for hire.  There will be 6 of us and Mom is thinking of renting a minivan.
>My thoughts are that if we hav to rent something that big, we might was 
>well rent a D110.   So does anyone have any info on LRs for hire?

There's a chap who advertises in the back of LRO...don't have it in front of me. 
 Rates are relatively reasonable although if you're under 25 you'll need to get 
a rider for insurance (talk to your insurance company here...

Have fun!

Rgds,
Eric

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Filth
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 08:18:00 DST

 "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au> writes

Subject: Re: In Baad taste
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:21:53 +0930

Oh come on, whatever happened to a sense of humor - or has your Land Rover
lost it!
Alan

Alan, read the post a little closer, or are you joking too.

Trevor

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:11:51 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Re: Dunsfold and LR's for hire

>The family is heading over to the UK from 23 Nov to 3 Dec (mostly
>Cornwall and London).  I seem to recall that the Dunfold Land Rover Trust
>is somewhere South of London.
The Open Day was 5-6 October, They are based at Dunsfold in Surrey, about
10 miles south of Guildford on the map and South West of London. You could
call them on +44 (0)1483 200567 to enquire about visiting while you're over
here.

>As a second question, does anyone know of any firms that have LRs for hire.
There are a few adverts in LROI and some main dealers also hire vehicles,
although the only time I enquired about a 90 or 110 from my local dealer I
thought the price he quoted me was for BUYING it rather than hiring it (NOT
CHEAP!)

Some of the advertisers are:
Discovery Hire, +44(0)1344 885222, Fax +44(0)1344 885100
Shire 4x4, +44(0)1494 433656
SHB Hire, +44(0)1703 864701, Fax +44(0)1703 873017
Professional 4x4 Hire, +44(0)1283 762777, fax +44(0)1283 761123
Roger Young Landrovers,Cornwall, +44(0)1752 849999
Michael Shaw Landrovers, Devon, (neighbouring county to Cornwall)
+44(0)1364 661514

(I cannot vouch for any of them as I have never dealt with them though)

good luck

___________________________________________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow
Orpington, Kent, U.K.

___________________________________________________________________

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 9:18:03 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: diesel smoking suggestions wanted (long)

Hey John, you had to figure I'd throw my 2 cents in on this one.
First of all, have you set the pump timing and adjusted the valves? Of 
course you have.
Second, is there any oil leaking out of say, the valve cover onto the 
manifold? This may only show up on occaisions you describe.
You're not losing oil through the valve train, or else you'd see it more 
on acceleration than on deceleration. I think.
Must be funky injectors. If you are lucky enough to have a spare set, I'd 
suggest swapping them for the old ones and seeing what difference you 
get. 
Unfortunately, injectors are not serviceable by the home mechanic. You'll 
have to pull them and send them out for cleaning and reconditioning if 
needed.
Pump should not need any work.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:34:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Rally report

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Dixon Kenner wrote:
> 	Next year I'll try to bring the beastie down.  Need a worst of
> 	show award though...

2 years ago, i won the "...most need of restoration..." award
at a local british sports car club outing.  at first, i was
kinda of miffed.  i thought lulu (siia 88) was in pretty good
form and was proud to show her off.  but when i got the
prize -- a $50 mity-vac kit donated by some vendor, i suddenly
became quite proud of the award.

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:33:22 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: why...

Dear all,
        Sorry for all the postings about that 109 chassis. I only sent it
once, and it continues to surface on my screen!?! I don't know why, and
only meant for it to appear once. Sorry for the duplicated space.

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:09:19 -0400
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Downeast photo...

>Yup... but the view from the back was *almost* as good as the front. Just
>ask Jeff Berg...

The real scary part is how tame the published photo actually is.  Someone
at LRO must have a sense of decency.  (I saw the Oct. LRO at the Mid
Atlantic this weekend.)  During the "jacking up" Bob Morrison's motor drive
was blazing away, and I'm sure that somewhere in the four rolls of film
that his shot the real picture can be viewed...

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: Axle Breathers
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 10:16:00 PDT

Forgive my ignorance:
Stupid question #1: What is an axle breather and what is it's function?
Stupider question #2: Why is there talk of extending the axle breather?   
 What is improved by doing this?

Thanks in advance for the answers.

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

P.S. I've only owned two vehicles, the first one being a new Honda, and   
I've only had my D90 for slightly more than a year, so my knowledge of my   
vehicle is limited but growing.  (Thanks especially to Lucas, The Dark   
Lord.)

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:43:22 -0400
Subject: Hella Update and Insulate 90 Doors

4 Hella lights on Light bar ended up only $60 parts and all to wire with new
better fuse and switch than supplied with lights.  If in Naperville Illinois
use R and R electric to install phones,antennas,radios,CDs etc.  I have no
monetary or other interest in these guys they just subcontract for the Local
Rover dealer and they (dealer) don't want you to know about them.
Also has anybody insulated a D90 door with that expanding insulation foam
stuff and do you have to take the door panels off and protect wiring in door
with plastic before shooting the stuff in a hole??
Thanks
Greg

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 10:34:49 -0400
From: "johnsonm (wk)" <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers

Boehme, Doug wrote:

> Stupid question #1: What is an axle breather and what is it's function?
> Stupider question #2: Why is there talk of extending the axle breather?
>  What is improved by doing this?
They are little air valves on the top side of the axel hosing.  They
allow the axel/diff to breath or change pressure under variuos
conditions.  They are extended or relocated (using tubing) to keep them
out of harms way while wading around in water/mud.

-- 
Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester) dd
73 SIII 88 (Jezabel) parts

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 07:52:31 -0700
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers

Boehme, Doug wrote:
> Forgive my ignorance:
> Stupid question #1: What is an axle breather and what is it's function?

The breather is a small brass fitting on top of the axle housing to the
left of the differentials. It's designed to allow the equalization of
pressure between the inside and outside of the axle case. This prevents
a build up of pressure inside the axle preventing oil from being forced
past the seals and gaskets, at the same time keeping grit outside.
> Stupider question #2: Why is there talk of extending the axle breather?
> What is improved by doing this?

When wading in deep water the standard breather could allow water into
the axle case. Extending the breather is an attempt to keep the breather
above anticipated water levels.

Tom Spoto

2 x 72 88's  one of which suffered from plugged breather last year
1 x 67 88
 
> Thanks in advance for the answers.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:01:10 -6
Subject: I'm Back

I've been on vacation for the past week and a half and was 
unsubscribed. What'd I miss?
Just kidding, I'll get the digests if I have time.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 11:26:31 -0400
From: "johnsonm (wk)" <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: kant spel

Ifn i cud spel i wood knot hav sed;

....top side of the axel hosing....
& ...allow the axel/diff to...under variuos...

Jeez if I only had a brane

Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester) dd
73 SIII 88 (Jezabel) parts

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 11:27:31 -0400
Subject: apology to Renewed Traditions

Uhmmm,  welll...  I posted a comment recently about RT and their UK
counterpart, calling the UK supplier "crooked", and RT "not much
better".  I stand behind the comment as it relates to the UK supplier,
but I shouldn't have said it about the RT - I might not have been happy
with my whole truck/parts deal, but I don't have any 1st-hand experience
with their products or prices, nor do I have any reasons to question
their integrity.
  So Ladies and Gents of the Jury, please strike the comments off the
record.  And this witness shall to be more careful in his comments from
now on.
Jan

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: 3.9L and 4.0L V8
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:37:54 -0400

The 4.0L, while derived from the original 3.5 V8 and subsequent 3.9/4.2 =
upgrades, is essentially a completely different motor...

New castings, both block and heads. Block is reinforced with extra =
webbing and cross-bolted 4-bolt main caps. It is considerably stiffer at =
the big end.

Yes, OBD2 emission and GEMS2 engine management with sequential EFI, =
knock sensor, and Coil-pack distributorless ignition are part of the =
picture. Peak torque developed a little lower. Overall, a smoother =
powerplant and slightly better fuel consumption.

Current derivative is the 4.6 motor producing 225 BHP - the 4.0 makes =
182BHP in Disco and in 1997 NAS D90, and 190BHP in Range Rover 4.0SE.

cheers
Jim

----------
From:  Christopher Boese[SMTP:cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us]
Sent:  Wednesday, October 09, 1996 11:35 AM
Subject:  RE: 3.9L and 4.0L V8

I had read somewhere (but if I can't remember where, you have to take it =
as rumor, I suppose) that the displacement of the "3.9" and "4.0" =
engines is in fact the same. The number is mostly marketing. If there's =
a difference in power and torque, that could come from other factors in =
tuning; of course, the '96 engines have the new OBDII computer, and =
there could have been other subtle changes made to the intake plenum, =
etc. I do remember also reading somewhere (rumor again) that there were =
changes made in the block and heads, though displacement did really =
remain the same from '95 to '96.

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

----------
From: 	KKelly6788@aol.com[SMTP:KKelly6788@aol.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, October 09, 1996 7:21 AM
Subject: 	3.9L and 4.0L V8

Does anyone know the difference between the '95 3.9L and the '96 4.0L =
V8?  Is
the engine really bigger or did they just round up to make it seem =
bigger
('95 brochure says 3947cc and '96 brochure says 3950cc) the bore and =
stroke
are reported as 3.7 and 2.8 for both years.  The compression ratio =
dropped
from 9.35:1 in  '95 to 9.34:1 in '96 but the power went up from 182hp to
190hp and the torque went up from 232 lb.-ft. to 236 lb.-ft.  Does =
anyone
know the changes made to the engine?  Does it have the same block and =
heads?

Kevin Kelly

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 13:58:21 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETMAIL.ushmm.org>

     Im looking for a used xfer box...anybody got one? Or know of one? 
     Don't want to spend alot of money...
     
     Dave
     Arlington VA...will travel, I do make somewhat regular trips to New 
     England

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 16:09:52 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject:  Used chassis

Hey all...

Does anybody know where i can get a used 109 chassis? Preferably with springs 
*new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes, etc. *but no diffs* standard 
rear not Salisbury. Must be from a 109 NADA 6. Chassis must have never been 
patched, or had ANY rust. Oh, and I need it by late this year...

Thanks!
Dave "whats so funny?" B.

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 13:33:29 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Used chassis for sale (attn: Dave B)

For sale: used 109 chassis. Has "new" front springs, shocks, axles, brakes, 
rear not Salisbury. Available later this year or immediately. Comes complete 
with 5-door body, safari top and diesel engine. Some disassembly required. 
Must remove front and rear diffs to meet "No diffs" requirements. I'd be 
willing to do the removal work for a nominal fee, preferably after delivery. 
$10,000, firm
Oops, it isn't a NADA 6, sorry, nevermind ;)
(Dave, et al; please note that this is meant as a humourous, even flippant 
posting, although my wife might be pleased if I could get 10k for 
Safari-SoGoodi. OTOH, what could I replace it with for 10k?)
John (son of "what's so funny?") Ousterhout
>Hey all...
>Does anybody know where i can get a used 109 chassis? Preferably with springs 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Thanks!
>Dave "whats so funny?" B.

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:58:13 -0400

Subscribe Land-Rover-Owner
Subscribe RRO

Mark Talbot

1988 Range Rover (Decked out for off-roading)
1991 Range Rover (Plush-mobile) 
1964 SIIA 109 Station Wagon (Sale Pending)

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 17:05:50 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Used chassis for sale (attn: Dave B)

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

------------------------------

From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:01:54 -0400

Subscribe Land-Rover-owner
Subscribe RRO

Mark Talbot

1988 Range Rover (Decked out for off-roading)
1991 Range Rover (Plush-mobile) 
1964 SIIA 109 Station Wagon (Sale Pending)

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 17:22:52 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Used chassis for sale (attn: Dave B)

>> my wife might be pleased if I could get 10k for 
Safari-SoGoodi. OTOH, what could I replace it with for 10k?)

You could buy a TDi engine, and put it up on blocks in your backyard. Could be a
collectors item someday...

dave

John (son of "what's so funny?") Ousterhout
>Hey all...
>Does anybody know where i can get a used 109 chassis? Preferably with springs 
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
>Thanks!
>Dave "whats so funny?" B.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:08:53 -6
Subject: Re: Used chassis

Dave asks:
> Does anybody know where i can get a used 109 chassis? Preferably with springs 
 *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes, etc. *but no diffs* standard 
 rear not Salisbury. Must be from a 109 NADA 6. Chassis must have never been 
 patched, or had ANY rust. Oh, and I need it by late this year...
> Does anybody know where i can get a used 109 chassis? Preferably with springs 
Nope, sorry. No idea. Haven't seen a beast like that available for 
ages. ;-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:18:39 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: What the f...

Dear All,
        It isn't me! It isn't me!!!! I swear!!!:(
        I just looked at all these stupid postings about that chassis, and
they aren't coming from me, but from a Gary Baker!!!
        Stop it Gary! Sombody cut him off!!!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Used chassis
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 11:31:04 PDT

Dear all,
        We are going to be doing a 109 coil chassis on a Rover that
currently has a rust free chassis. The client does not want the old parts,
so I thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone needs them. Parts avail
will be chassis, springs *new fronts* shocks, axles, complete with brakes
etc. *but no diffs* standard rear not Salisbury. This is from a 109 NADA 6,
and all is great stuff. Chassis has never been patched, or had ANY rust
that I can find. Best offer. It will be avail. late this year.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 18:06:37
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re: Honouring obligations...

Hi All.
  I have read the thread about "Honoring Obligations" & it seems some 
people have lost the reason for this list.  I am on this list because I 
enjoy LAND ROVERS & want/need incouragement when Mine breaks from more 
experienced people.  I thought we want to keep all of the LR's we can on 
the road.  I think the decision Steve made to atempt to rebuild not part 
out his LR is noble.  His decision was not made for his own profit & if he 
is unable to rebuild his 109 it would be only right that he offer the roof 
side to Mike first.
  Is it so hard to understand someone being discouraged about there LR's 
condision.  Haven't all of us wanted to sell what we had in a moment of 
dispair when our project needed one more expensive part.
  I think Steve is doing the right thing by attempting to save one more 
example of the LR's well enjoy.

  Go for it Steve!  Bring it back to life!    
Rob Davis_Chicago

Failure is not an option
Not on my watch.......

1971 (88)  Treeweaver
1965 (109SW)  OX
1968 (109 three door)  Dad's toy (only the caretaker)
1960 MGA Coupe
1961 MGA Roadster

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:48:58 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: HELP!

Dear All,
        Make it stop... make it stop!!!!
        Gary Baker is sending these things right before my eyes!!!

        Gary Baker, Gary Baker, cut the shi#!

        Sorry all, that ends my parts posting days.

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:07:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: an unwitting chemistry experiment

This doesn't have much LR content, so if that's the only reason you read
the list skip this=C9

Recently someone asked how to remove a foul odor from their rover and
somebody else advised against mixing certain household chemicals
involving bleach.  I can personally attest to that as being sound and
most excellant advice.

My mother was often in the habit of cleaning out the toilet by pouring a
few cups of bleach in the bowl.  Gets it quite sparkly and sanitary. 
However, if one were to not notice the strong smell of chlorine...well,
one morning, after a particularly heavy night of imbibing I was taking a
shower.  My mother had already begun to clean the house, and as I was
soaping up, the urge hit.  Now I had a dilemna.  Do I get out of the
shower, or stay in?  I agonized (literally) for a few moments, then
removed myself from the shower and went to the toilet.  Well, to make
this scientific, urine may contain ammonia.  Ammonia and chlorine, a
chemical component of bleach, creates a noxious gas.  After inhaling the
chlorine gas from the foaming toilet I stumbled backwards, arms flailing,=

soapy feet slipping and sliding all over the place and spraying the whole=

bathroom with, well, you know what I'm trying to say, the whole time fighti=
ng
to keep on my feet and smashing my head and shoulder into the wall.  I
think I burned all of the nostril hair out of my nasal canal.

The lesson here is be very careful of what you mix together.  Some people=

(like myself) may assume that combining two cleaning agents would result in=

twice the cleaning power, but this is not so!  Please read warning labels=

very carefully...and speaking of labels (here's the LR content you've
been looking for) I just received a letter from Land Rover advising me an=

important warning sticker was left off of the battery in my D90.  The
sticker was included with the letter.  I advise any D90 owner who has not=

received such notification to contact Land Rover of North America.  I
suppose it's not really that big of a deal, but if ever you become a PO,
your future purchaser should have the benefit. 

Rich
D90

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From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Apology
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 10:58:51 PDT

To all;

Please accept my apology, for the 17 postings concerning Mike at East 
Coast Rover and another for a  SIIA 109" for sale.  

I am just learning how to use e-mail and I put these posting on my out 
tray, not in my save file.  Please accept my apology, this will not 
happen again.

  _____
  I__I__\_=_
  I=(0)__-I(0)I=

Gary G.  Baker
Roswell, New Mexico, USA
roverite@dfn.com
(H) 505 625-2808

'57 Series I  
'73  Series III *88* (Frame Off)
'92  RRover County
'78  Rolls Royce SS II
LOOKING FOR '93 DEFENDER *110* USA

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 16:52:02 -0700
From: Christopher Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Apology

	Gary's apology was quite nice, and we should all forgive him.  Especially
since:

At 10:58 AM 10/9/96 PDT, you wrote:
>Gary G.  Baker
>Roswell, New Mexico, USA
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	He could easily have blamed it on the ALIENS!!!!

C

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: apology to Renewed Traditions
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:36:27 +0930 (CST)

Jan Ben writes:
> but I shouldn't have said it about the RT - I might not have been happy
> with my whole truck/parts deal, but I don't have any 1st-hand experience
> with their products or prices, nor do I have any reasons to question
> their integrity.

Hey Jan is this the same Renewed traditions that was spamming the list 
earlier this year.

You know the mob that had a big dummy spit, when caught out over some.. ah 
how can I put this..  "irregularities"

Didnt they basically call us all a bunch of wa*kers or some such thing.
(some of us got a personal response if I remember... Mike .....??) 

If it is the same mob sounds like you are doing the right thing by having 
no first hand experiences with them.

Of course if their lawyers are reading this I probably imagined it all, 
and hey what would an Ozzie know about US suppliers anyway.

cheers

Daryl

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, East Coast Rover Co. wrote:
> I just looked at all these stupid postings about that chassis, and
> they aren't coming from me, but from a Gary Baker!!!

Hopefully not THE Gary Baker, author of the famous quote:
"If I've said it once, I've said it one thousand times."
If it is truly him, looks like we're into alot more postings!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:35:40 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Re: Virginia Galvanizing

Trevor wrote about Virginia Galvanizing and its new facility.

I've had quite a bit of stuff done there over the years.  Previously, they 
had a tank that could handle something up to 40' by 7'.  Whole frames were 
easy.  And prices were reasonable, $.30 to $.60 per pound.

However, the last time a club member took a load there, he got ripped off 
*big time*.  Almost $2 a pound.  If you use them, get a written quote first. 
Caveat emptor.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:35:37 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Smells...

When I go into the woods, the thing that I am most afraid of is ... skunks.  
Bears, bobcats, etc., I can deal with, but if my dog gets hosed by a skunk, 
now that's trouble.  I carry a bottle of "Skunk Stuff" in the Rover- seems 
to be a synthetic wintergreen or some such - to eliminate the sent.  (Yeah, 
I know about tomato juice - once bought out a small grocery store.)  I've 
used this stuff on cat pee and it works wonders.

Failing that, you might want to try the yellow pages under fire services - 
companies that specialize in cleaning up and getting rid of smoke odors.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:37:34 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Dunsfold and LR's for hire 

Ben's going to the UK...
>My thoughts are that if we hav to rent something that big, we might was 
>well rent a D110.   So does anyone have any info on LRs for hire?

[...]

>"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
> from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
> Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

What, you're not driving?

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:37:37 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Apology

At 10:58 AM 10/9/96 PDT, you wrote:
>I am just learning how to use e-mail and I put these posting on my out 
[...]
>Gary G.  Baker
>Roswell, New Mexico, USA

Uh-huh, sure.  Right.  Come on, 'fess up, it was the aliens!  (Don't ya just
hate it when they get loose and start playing with your computer?)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:12:54 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: models

At 12:41 AM 10/9/96 GMT, you wrote:
>bought a half dozen EKO models, HO gauge made in Spain, still in the boxes,
>amongst which was a ser 2 88, green, ( Uncle Roger records a grey version )
>with  a windscreen and no top, cost me $4 plus tax. Was I done ? Anyone

At $4 + tax, you did right good, especially for a green one.  (Of course,
that depends on how much tax we're talking about.)  Does it have milk cans
in the back?

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:12:35 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Honouring obligations...

At 03:41 PM 10/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>How should the LRO react? Let it go like nothing happened and forget the
>whole thing? Everytime he gets a deal on some parts, run to his "normal" car
>(it's faster) and get immediately to the seller/buyer's place as fast as
>possible in case he changes his mind, even if it's 300 miles away?

I've been buying and selling on the Internet and related services for many
years now, and very rarely have I ever had a problem.  The only problems
I've ever encountered were getting a Donald Duck game in an already fragile
box packed simply in a flimsy envelope, getting a computer DOA, and
receiving a computer with duct tape all over the box (he had no idea the box
itself was collectible).  This is all over several years of dealings.  

Unfortunately, as a larger portion of the population gets on-line, a wider
variety of people will be represented.  Including the less scrupulous of the
world.  Still, I think that it is as safe as almost any other way of doing
business over long distances. 

LRO's are a different story, however, being a subset of the general
populace.  We all think that anyone who owns a Land Rover is inherently
better than non-LRO's, and that may very well be true.  However, as in any
group as large as this list, there are bound to be a bad apple or two.
Terianne Wakeman can vouch for the fact that not all LRO's are nice guys.  

So what to do?  My advice is accept the fact that every once in a while,
something will go sour, but keep in mind all the times that it doesn't.
Don't let one deal gone wrong turn you off Land Rovers and their owners in
general.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 20:05:20
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: on the car spring compressor

Hi All,
 I just got a new catalog from the J.C.Whitney (312-431-6102).  In it there 
is a spring compressor (Part# 14HG3351W) 22.99 . This is one for releasing 
springs without removing the head.

  
Rob Davis_Chicago

Failure is not an option
Not on my watch.......

1971 (88)  Treeweaver
1965 (109SW)  OX
1968 (109 three door)  Dad's toy (only the caretaker)
1960 MGA Coupe
1961 MGA Roadster

------------------------------

From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Re: No Subject
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 12:51:39 PDT

Hi  All

The Gary Baker you refer to David, is not me.  

Again I apologize for any problems, this whole situation may have 
caused.

"The ALIENS did not, make me do it  :)

  _____
  I__I__\_=_
  I=(0)__-I(0)I=

Gary G.  Baker
Roswell, New Mexico, USA
roverite@dfn.com

'57 Series I  
'73  Series III *88* (Frame Off)
'92  RRover County
'78  Rolls Royce SS II
LOOKING FOR '93 DEFENDER *110* USA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 20:20:18 -0600
From: Rover2a <rover2a@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers

Boehme, Doug wrote:
> Forgive my ignorance:
> Stupid question #1: What is an axle breather and what is it's function?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> I've only had my D90 for slightly more than a year, so my knowledge of my
> vehicle is limited but growing.  (Thanks especially to Lucas, The Dark
> Lord.)
   dOUG:   THIS IS A NOTE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE AXLE breATHERs are
for air , you can fill them with the scuba tank that any-body with a
landrover will have behind the center seat. BE carfull nOT TO PUT to
much air in YOU MY ( #$%#@%$# keY board) wheels off.

OK OK THE BREATHER ARE TO THERE SO THE AXLE CAN CHANGE PRESSURE AS IT
HEATS UP AND COOL DOWN, WITH HEAT YOU GET EXPANSION OF WHAT LITTLE
AIRTHERE IS,  IF IT WAS A CLOSED SYSTEM YOU WOULD BLOW 1 IF NOT ALL THE
SEALS TO THE AXLE, ( OH LIKE YOU CAN TELL IF IT LEAKS, IF IT DO'T LEAK
YOU BE OUT OF OIL)  

HAD ROVERS 18 YEARS STILL HAVE THE FIRST 1 ( BEHIND THE GARAGE, IN THE
BASMENT, IN THE SHED, IN THE ATTIC AND ON OTHER ROVERS)

GAR H
SALT LAKE CITY ( YES MORMEN TOWN ) UT.

ROVERS				ROVER2A@XMISION.COM
  67 IIA 			GARH@MERIT.COM
  73 III
  MEMORYS OF 61 II

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:00:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Vermin Smell! Help!

A fellow who works in the home repair business for insurance companies after
fires, floods, &c. told me once that one of the most powerful odor removers
and disinfectants available was lots and lots of sunlight. Maybe flip the top
over and prop it up toward the sun, ditto the seat cushions. Thermonuclear
reactions...who-da thunk it!!

John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD engine rebuild under way!
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: Fall Heritage V
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:29:57 -0400

Any last minute LROs interested in attending the BSROA Fall Rally can =
contact the Privacy Campground on 413-458-3125.

This is the base of operations for the event.

The campground is in Hancock, MA.

>From the MASS PIKE:
Take this to last toll booth. Take the second exit after the toll and =
turn onto Rt. 22 North. Follow 22N to Rt. 43 (take right onto 43). =
Follow 43 for 8 miles. Campground is on right just past a motel.

>From Rt. 2:
Take Rt. 2 West to Williamstown, take a left on Rt. 43 for 10 miles. =
Campground is on your left.

There will be a convoy departing from Land Rover Metro West at 1PM on =
Friday for anyone interested from the Boston area. Please contact the =
Club line on 617-545-4743 if interested in convoy.

Cheers
Jim

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:36:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Howton <andrew_howton@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 

At 01:58 PM 10/9/96 EST, you wrote:
>     Im looking for a used xfer box...anybody got one? Or know of one? 
>     Don't want to spend alot of money...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>     Arlington VA...will travel, I do make somewhat regular trips to New 
>     England
Which type of transfer box are you looking for Dave?
Andrew Howton
Sparwood, B.C.
(604) 425-0598

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:46:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Series III Oil Pressure Wiring/Heater Controls Wanted

       Found out why the Smith's oil pressure gauge isn't working...it
isn't connected to anything.  Found the green/brown stripe wire in the
engine bay connected to a two wire connector with a screw in it. There's
only one post on top of the oil filter container.  Where does the oil
pressure gauge plug into?  Any help appreciated.
       I also realized yesterday that the PO had removed the heater and
vent controls from the left side of the dash. They relocated the heat
contol to under the steering wheel(why, I don't know)...anybody have a set
of controls kicking around I could purchase(or know anybody that does?)?

Thanks for the help!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA 88", 1974
Series III 88"

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 22:10:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: e-mail follies: no real LR content

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Gary Baker wrote:
> The Gary Baker you refer to David, is not me.  
> Again I apologize for any problems, this whole situation may have 
> caused.
> "The ALIENS did not, make me do it  :)

To Gary Baker and Mike Smith: 
Although far from a major reason for subscribing to the list, I got plenty
of laughs from the recurring frame-for-sale post and all of the spin-offs:
a hellishly busy day at work, and whenever I was able to pop into my
office to check LR e-mail postings, there was another frame-for-sale
message. And eventually the protestations from Mike Smith that he wasn't
to blame. It was as though LUCAS himself had gotten into the web.
I hope that both of you see the humor in all of this and that you both
continue to post to the list. And Mike, I *know* that I will need parts
from Maine someday, so keep us posted!

David Rosenbaum - still sputtering coffee
'94 D90 - running smooth so far.... but *maybe* could use a 109 frame

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:00:32 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Axle Breathers

At 10:16 AM 10/9/96 -0700, Boehme, Doug wrote:
;
>Forgive my ignorance:
>Stupid question #1: What is an axle breather and what is it's function?
;Stupider question #2: Why is there talk of extending the axle breather?
> What is improved by doing this?
;
When gasses heat up, they expand and pressure builds up in an enclosed
area.  The axle housing is a confined space that heats up then a car is
driving.  The higher pressure forces gear oil out the seals.  An Axle
breather is designed to keep the pressure from building up.

Series cars have a little brass breather that utilizes a small metal ball
as a one way valve so that pressure can eacape but water can not enter.
With the oil fumes, the ball has a tendency to stick allowing pressure to
build up. Thats why many series owners have rear axle oil all over the back
of their cars.  The system works as long as you keep the breathers unstuck
by cleaning them.

The newer series cars, AKA Defenders, have a tube without a check valve.
Obviously it does not have a valve to stick and it doesn't need to build up
some pressure in order to lift a metal ball.  So pressure is always lower.
The front axle has a tube that goes up almost as high as the tbottom of
your radiator tank.  The rear one goes into a hole in your chasis near the
top of the rear wheel arch.  Your frame would need to fill with water for
your rear axle to intake water (always check fluids after deep wading as a
normal practice).

Both the Defender and series axle housings use the same threaded hole for
the breathers so they are interchangable.  Many series owners put Defender
axle breathers on to lower pressure.  i put them on my 109 and my pinion
seal leaks ceased immediatly.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: New CluTCH & carb
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 10:28:21 BST

Picked Alice up yesterday - after a new clutch and carb.
The garage ("The Thatched Garage") is about 30 miles away, and on the way,
the clutch gave up about 4 miles short...
Worn to the rivets apparantly.

Anyway, the new one gives a new meaning to "bite" - its like learning to 
drive all over again...

They've also switched the carb. for a Zenith.
It idles fast - event with the hand-throttle set to nil. They had a look at
this, and reckon its the throttle linkage. Seemed to make sense at the time
(the mechanic held the linkage up (against the play in the linkage, and the
speed changed). Also, I have an annoying habit of stalling when
decelerating to a halt - which I think fits.

They suggested I put a spring on the link, to hold it up, at the carb.
end, and seemed to think it was a common problem. Anyone come across this?
Any neat solutions?

I guess I could always replace the whole linkage - they can't be too expensive.

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 06:19:58 -0700
From: Heather Dixon <hldixon@top.monad.net>
Subject: Re: Fall Foliage Tour

Just a reminder, that our Fall Foliage run is this Sat (Oct 12) in Keene, 
NH.

Meet at Dunkin Donuts (RT 101 & RT 10) at 10 am. Tail gate lunch.

Relatively tame with places to see the color.

Heather

1970 Series IIa 88 (Ellie)
1965 Series IIa 88 hybred (Betsy)
1972 Series III  88  the parts car
Keene, NH

October 10, 1996
6:19 am

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