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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 07:26:25 -0400
Subject: Lloyd Allison

Sorry to use of the band width, but have lost Lloyd Allison's E-Mail address.

Lloyd, please E-Mail me direct.

Thanks!

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Speedo Erraticism
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 08:07:00 DST

Jeremy Bartlett writes of a speedo that is erratic. I had the same problem 
on the way to the Down East this year after fitting a new cable and cover. 0 
to 110mph in 3 seconds!!!. Try reversing when the staionary reading is 20 
mph, does it go back to zero? My problem was due to overzealous lubrication 
of the new cable. The grease extruded into the speedo mechanism and 
interfered with the proper eddy current operation. Grease is stronger than 
eddy currents and just grabs the aluminium disc and pegs the reading. The 
initial erratic operation occurs as it grabs and releases then when a good 
gob has biult up it just turns to the stop as soon as you move forward. 
Remove speedo. Twist off bezel and remove glass. Take two screws out of back 
and all is revealed. Wash grease from mechanism. Clean out top end of cover 
and cable. Lubricate throughout with light oil (WD40). Replace and you'll 
have a needle so steady you think something else is wrong. 

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 11:59:09 UT
From: "Charles Cooper" <Landy88@msn.com>
Subject: Fall Heritage V

	Somebody help me!  I'm trying to team up with some BSROA members for Fall 
Heritage V, but I don't know anything except that it is in the 
berkshires......Where?	

	Also, if any members would please respond (directly to me), are you taking 
apps for membership this weekend?

Thanks

Charles Cooper (Landy88@msn.com)

72 Series III 88
68 Series IIa 88

	

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:46:32 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: leaf spring fix

hello all,

i hope everyone going to the mid-atlantic rally has a good time. i won't be
able to make it this time, but planning on making it next year. if you're
looking for a good side excursion, look up my friends from the georgia
contingent. we've had a blast the past couple of years exploring the
virginia countryside around Penlan Farm and those guys are pretty
entertaining.

ok, back to business. i will be trying to put a new center pin in my front
left leaf spring this weekend? does anyone have any suggestions as to how
to accomplish this with the least amount of difficulty. any suggestions or
tid-bits would be greatly appreciated. this is my plan for now:

1) remove wheel
2) jack up frame (support with jack stands)
3) jack up axle slightly
4) loosen and take off u-bolt nuts
5) remove old sheered center pin
6) rearrange spring leaves
7) drop in new center pin
8) out it all back together again

hopefully all will go well, but we all know how that goes. i will be doing
this in front of my apartment and i think our complex has some rule about
repairing cars. oh well...

jim karantinos
tallahassee, florida

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 06:54:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Coolant temperatures...

I was wondering what temp your LR is running while steady cruising on the 
highway? I have the Smiths split screen 2-in-1 temp and oil pressure 
guage (which has never been calibrated) in my 1963 88" and while on the 
highway, my temp creeps up. I have washed out the fins on the rad (I 
drive in knee deep mud fairly regularly) and this helps a bit. I just 
recently ran some radiator purge through the cooling system and this 
seems to have helped as well. Off road, it never heats up. My temp guage 
goes into the red at 100 degrees Celsius, this seems kind of conservative 
to me. I've never had any problems from the heat, only extremely 
high guage readings...

Rob
1963 88" SW

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 9:36:41 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Important Land Rover content....

(Forwarded from the Brit-Iron motorcycle list, with slight editing...)
A  >Land-Rover< mechanic decided to go on holiday with
a cruise service to improve his chances of finding a girlfriend. 
The first night out, he awoke to find water in his cabin; the ship was 
sinking fast!
He made his way to the main deck and leaped into the darkness of the
frothing sea. Fortunately, he managed to make contact with a floating
beam, to which he frantically clung. The next morning, there was no
other human in sight. The only living creature was a small Terrier,
which also clung to the floating beam. Together they floated for two
days and nights, and finally floated to land.  Investigating, the
mechanic discovered they were on an island with no other inhabitants. 
Resigning himself to his fate, he built a lean-to and planted some
vegetables. He and the dog spent the days walking on the beach, always
on the lookout for a passing ship to rescue them. These days made the
two of them inseperable.
One day, they hiked up over a hill to a valley beyond, to find, to their
great surprise, a grazing herd of sheep.  At the sight and smell of the
man, the sheep ran into the dense underbrush. One sheep did not run; a
creamy coloured ewe.  She looked at the man and the man couldn't help
but notice the smoothness of her coat and the dewy softness of her eyes.
Suddenly he was overcome with loneliness, as he recalled that he had not
had female companionship for several months, now.  "What the hey", he
said to himself, "no one else is around." He had never been attracted to
animals in a physical sense before, but he remembered hearing some of
his customers joking half seriously about their conquests.  So, he
loosened his belt and approached the ewe. She baaaed softly and bent her
head to the green grass. Just as the mechanic was about to mount the ewe
, the Terrier started yipping, and this completely destroyed the man's
lustful mood.
Slowly, he and the faithful, but jealous, dog made their way back to
camp.  That night, after a hearty meal of eggplant and bananas, he was
laying in his bed and visions of the beautiful ewe filled his thoughts. 
Looking across the dying campfire, he saw the dog asleep.  Exercising
extreme caution and quiet, he arose and tiptoed away from the camp.  The
night was dark, and clouds obscured the stars, but he remembered exactly
where the path lay.  Coming over the hill, he saw a shaft of moonlight
pouring through a hole in the cloudcover, like a spotlight at the
theatre, and the beam was directed, as if by fate itself, right on the
ewe, who was waiting expectantly.  She looked over her shoulder at the
mechanic and flicked her long eyelashes, again lowing the bewitching
"baaaaa."
The man could hardly restrain himself. Rushing to the feast, he dropped
his trousers and prepared to engage in a physical act of love with the
amorous ewe! Just as he was about to avail himself of her otherwordly
treat, "Yip Yip Yip!" The damn dog had awakened, figured out where he
had gone, and followed him!  The mood was again dispelled, so the man
sadly put himself back together and slowly trudged home.
The next few days, he tried to get the ewe out of his mind. The dog
watched his every move.
One day, while on their daily stroll on the beach, he espied a woman
lying in the surf. Rushing to her, he saw she was unconscious, but he
detected a slight heartbeat.  He opened her lovely mouth and proceeded
to give her mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.  Her eyelids slowly quivered
and opened, and she blinked and looked at him.  She was a vision of
absolute loveliness: her hair was glossy black, her eyes were deep green
, her teeth were perfect, and the wet negligee she wore enhanced her
perfect, luscious body. 
"Where am I? Who are you" she asked, querously.  He told her how he had
been shipwrecked a year ago on the island, and how he had just found her
and brought her back to life.  Her lovely eyes glistened as she she
moaned and threw  her arms around his neck.
"You lovely man! You saved my life! I thought all was lost! I will do
anything for you! Anything in the world, just tell me!"
The man blushed a bit, dug his toes in the sand uncomfortably, and
looked upon this picture of beauty.  Suddenly, his demeanor changed from
shyness to slyness, and he said coyly, "Would you watch my dog for about
an hour?"

Have a great weekend!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: High Lift mounting
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:37:31 +-100

Hello all!
There have been some talk on this group about
how it is possible to mount a High Lift on a Rover.

My idea is that the "HL" must be ready, without emptying the car for luggage for
a hollyday.

Therefor the external mount.
The sparewheel is on the front with a home made fixing, and under the 
cover is rope and chains. The sparewheel cover is also baseplate for the highlift 
in soft areas.

I have put some pictures on:

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542/

I hope they will be avalible during this weekend.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 07:09:53 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: leaf spring fix, suggestion

Only one more suggestion pursuant to the below: C-clamp the spring stack 
together before removing the axle u-bolts. I'm seriously considering trying 
UHMW polyethylene strips in my springs. Anyone tried this on a Rover?
John O
jim karatinos writes:
(snip)>
>ok, back to business. i will be trying to put a new center pin in my front
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>6) rearrange spring leaves
>7) drop in new center pin
>8) out it all back together again

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 07:17:22 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: my Coolant temperatures

Rob asks:>I was wondering what temp your LR is running while steady cruising 
on the 
>highway? I have the Smiths split screen 2-in-1 temp and oil pressure 

My petrol engine w/190deg thermostat ran 80c to 90c highway, nudging over 90 
up hills. Much lower off-road (60-70c). My diesel, same thermostat, runs 
hotter up hills (up to 115c on really long hills), but otherwise seems the 
same. The diesel thermostat is at the rear of the head, petrol at the front, 
which may be most of the difference.

'64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoodi) 465,000 miles on the few remaining 
original parts.
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 16:35:16+020
From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch>
Subject: Best ratio with 9.00x16 

Hi all,

I would like to fit on my 90 Defender Tdi for serious off road a set of 9.00x16.

The problem is thath I would like also to modify the ratio, because of the
not so strong engine ! Someone maybe know wich kind of ratio mounted a 109
High Capacity Truck Cab with 9.00x16, and where is better to modify the end
ratio ?

Thankyou very much

cheers 

igor
kind regards
------------------------------------------------------------------
Real Name       : Igor Cerutti
Address         : TINET SA, Centro Galleria 1, 6928 Manno-Lugano
Country         : Switzerland 
Phone Number    : ++41 91 6108118
Fax Number      : ++41 91 6108119
e-mail          : igor@tinet.ch, http://www.tinet.ch

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 11:00:26 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Best ratio with 9.00x16 

There you go again, trying to outsmart the Rover engineers.
You must be crawling some SERIOUS rocks if you need to change diff ratios 
and add tall tires. 'Course Lugano is pretty rocky (as in cliffs!) This 
will adversely affect on-road performance ( how about 80-90 km/hr top 
speed ?)
If you are trying to LOWER the ratio for more power off-road, why not try 
driving your off-road area in low range first and see how that works with 
the taller tires. Don't try to "re-invent the wheel"  here. Take baby 
steps. Less expensive.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:15:56 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Best ratio with 9.00x16

 Don't try to "re-invent the wheel"  here. Take baby
>steps. Less expensive.
As well as everything else Bill has said,also be prepared for a
turning circle more resembling an orbit than a circle.
Mike Rooth

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:41:07 -0400
Subject: Stock oil filter and engine swap...

I have a question about oil filters and stock components...   I am currently
finishing up a engine swap.  Now that the stock engine is pulled out,  I
noticed that my oil filter seems to look wierd.  What it looks like is a blue
canister with a tappered end and a large bolt at the base...   Is this the
original stock filter?  I also noticed that the distributer has a triangular
base, but the block looks like it was maybe supposed to be round.  Is the
distributer stock?

Someone earlier (several months ago) wondered how I was going to work the
exhaust around the stock steering components.   We had to use a exhaust
manifold that lets out in the center.  I'll find out what it was from..  The
stock manifold on the Chevy V6 normally exhausts towards the rear, and it
will not fit in the tight space.  I know the mechanic really had to search to
find this manifold.  Several different header's where tried and did not
fit... 

I am contemplating writing up an article and scanning photos of the swap.
  Does anyone know where I might post it so that others following in my path
might be able to use it as a reference?

Chris Fisher
'73 Land Rover 88 Series III hybrid

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:41:18 -0400
Subject: Storing parts?

Another question:  Since I can't find a serious buyer for my leftover parts,
I think I'll store them for future sale or conversion back to stock.   What
should I do to preserve them for storage?  I'll be storing the engine and all
it's components like cooling system, electrical system, air filter,...  Also,
I'll have the transmittion and transfer case as well as their extras like
parking brake,...  There will also be gauges, but I wouldn't think they would
need much preparation....  Everything is real filthy, so how do I protect the
now open ports (like exhaust ports) when trying to clean?  I want to be able
to store them for at least a few years without degredation and seizing of
parts.  They will be stored in a "Tuff shed" in my backyard, so they will be
protected from the elements, but not from temperature changes (considation
problems?).   I am also in Denver, so it is a dry climate...

Chris Fisher
'73 Land Rover 88 Series III hybrid

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:40:57 -0400
Subject: RE: 2.25L at altitude

>>As an aside, you lose approximately 40% of your power going to
10,000 feet. A good running 2.25 (high compression) makes 65hp on a
dyno. That leaves you with 39 to play with!

Now you see why some of us opt. for a engine swap...... :-0

A properly set up 2.25L will not be as bad as 39hp's though...  Slow, yes;
and also embarrassing when you get passed by a Winnabego (sp.), or worse a
J**p   Another thing to note is the steady decrease in gas mileage at
altitude.  I don't know if it's from the engine actually consuming more gas,
or just because you have it constantly "floored" just to get anywhere ;-)...

Chris Fisher
'73 Land Rover 88 Series III hybrid  (maybe I'll even get it back from the
shop today; 5 months and still waiting...)

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 08:39:57 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: speedos, fault equilibrium theory

Just a reminder to all about the theory of Fault Equilibrium, as applied to 
Land Rovers. Assume a Land Rover has a Fault Equilibrium Level of 5. If 5 
items need repaired, and I fix one, the Fault Level will be 4 and therefore 
in a non-equilibrated state. This will create both static and dynamic 
stresses that will cause something else to fail, returning the system to 
equilibrium. If a 6th item fails, no corrective action is necessary for one 
of the failed items to correct itself, HOWEVER, this is an opportunity for 
the observant owner/mechanic (who must also be able to count to six, 
one-handed) to interrupt the dynamics and repair one faulty item directly. 
This avoids the case of a trivial item being corrected. I advise using such 
opportunities to affect repairs on safety items first, functional items 
second, and comfort items (if any) last.
Note that total replacement of all Lucas wiring and electrical items only 
decreases the total vehicle equilibrium fault level by one. 

'64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoodi) 465,000 miles on the few remaining 
original parts. (equilibrium fault level of aP^n-1)
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 15:50:07 +0000
From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: S2a - shifting into 2nd gear!!

Hi
It is possible that im only a inexperienced lro!! - but it is a fact that=
 I
have trouble shifting into second gear "quickly" -The box makes alot of
"tooth" noise!! - the strange thing is that only seems to happen when the
engine and gearbox is hot - BUT if i wait for 2-3 seconds beetwen 1st and
2nd its OK - my suggestion is that it runs to smooth when hot - and when =
the
oil is hot and in top performence the gearbox is just to slippery!! - I h=
ave
one thing to confess!!  - I put a slippery agent called Millitec into the
gearbox - i think it does magic - but this is propably notthe place for i=
t!!

Any suggestions!!
Thanx
----------
=D3lafur =C1g=FAst Axelsson        olafura@rhi.hi.is
http://www.hi.is/~olafura

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 11:54:27 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Ad in today's Wash Post

In the Antiques and Classics section is the following advert:
Landrovers(6)- All are complete for parts or restoration with 
titles,nondriveable, can deliver.
$1500 each or $5000 for all. 814-845-4279

I disclaim any knowlege of this person or their vehicles.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: speedos, fault equilibrium theory
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 16:57:31 BST

> Just a reminder to all about the theory of Fault Equilibrium, as applied to 
> Land Rovers. Assume a Land Rover has a Fault Equilibrium Level of 5. If 5 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Note that total replacement of all Lucas wiring and electrical items only 
> decreases the total vehicle equilibrium fault level by one. 

Yes, I notice an equilibrium level, but there's also a kind of half-life too.
Eg. a "major" fault will be once every few months. In this case, bad electrics
or bad carb. (my current problem - and if not, my clutch is slipping *as well*)
Along with that, there's overheating (major, but solved quickly, so minor
bar 1 week), gearstick, gauges, heater pipes, paintwork, oil,etc,etc.

I'm wibbling, but its Friday afternoon, lunch was liquid, and I'm now about
to move house. I think I have less than 3/4 tons of belongings...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 12:02:43 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: S2a - shifting into 2nd gear!!

You'll probably get a flurry of response to this...
S2A gearboxes have no gear synchro between first and second gear. You 
must "double-declutch" to engage second. You do this by pressing the 
pedal to shift out of first and pressing again as you shift to second. 
Takes a little practice, but you get it eventually. As they say, if you 
can't find 'em, grind 'em.
By the way, you can't do ANYTHING quickly in a 2A.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:55:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Fall Heritage V

In a message dated 96-10-04 08:10:22 EDT, you write:

>	Somebody help me!  I'm trying to team up with some BSROA members for Fall 
>Heritage V, but I don't know anything except that it is in the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>72 Series III 88
>68 Series IIa 88

Charles;
   Seems we both have the same problem...I just sent an e-mail to Jim Pappas
this morning I have requested this info a few times and he said he would mail
forms out but never did..I am not a club member but as I understand you don't
have to be to go. It is to be held somewhere in the Pittsfield area but don't
know where when I get a response from Jim I will foreward it to you...
Where are you? I'm in Albany, NY
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
                          72 S lll 88
                          68 S lla 88

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:07:01 -0700
From: tspoto@az.com (Thomas Spoto)
Subject: Re: Downeast photo...

I've followed the thread and did'nt think to write down the address at the
time, but since it has continued on for so long feel that I need to see what
it is all about. Could I ask what the address of the image is?

Tom Spoto    tspoto@az.com

2 x 72 88's one is in flux between restoration and being parts
1 x 67 88   slowly being put back the way I originally got it 21 years ago

>>Was this photo that has been talked about so much taken in Owles Head?
>It was indeed...and she was surrounded by the most lecherous looking
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>with the pipe was *the* worst:-)
>Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:17:34 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: S2a - shifting into 2nd gear!!

Olafur Agust Axelsson wrote:
> engine and gearbox is hot - BUT if i wait for 2-3 seconds beetwen 1st and
> 2nd its OK - my suggestion is that it runs to smooth when hot - and when =

Well, did you know that your gearbox does NOT have synchromesh on the 
1st and 2nd gears and that you MUST double clutch (or is it double 
declutch).  Now, that said, I am not an expert and I don't own a Series 
vehicle yet. My understanding is that unless you have a very late IIA or 
a III then you must clutch differently.

Or maybe it is something else!

Cheers,

jc

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:13:15 -0700
From: tspoto@az.com (Thomas Spoto)
Subject: Re: Stock oil filter and engine swap...

>I have a question about oil filters and stock components...   I am currently
>finishing up a engine swap.  Now that the stock engine is pulled out,  I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>base, but the block looks like it was maybe supposed to be round.  Is the
>distributer stock?

Yes to both your questions. The oil filter element is inside the blue
canister. Undo the bolt at the end of the canister and you'll see the actual
element. Canister is full of oil. The distributor also is stock, the
triangular piece if I remember correctly adapts the distributor to the block
where the diesel injector pump goes if the block is used as a diesel block.

>I have a question about oil filters and stock components...   I am currently
>finishing up a engine swap.  Now that the stock engine is pulled out,  I

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:31:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "M. ABERCROMBIE" <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: Re: Downeast photo...

At 09:57 AM 10/4/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>Was this photo that has been talked about so much taken in Owles Head?
>It was indeed...and she was surrounded by the most lecherous looking
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>with the pipe was *the* worst:-)
>Mike Rooth
Where is this picture.  I guess I'd have to have a look at it to get the
full effect.
>>Was this photo that has been talked about so much taken in Owles Head?
>It was indeed...and she was surrounded by the most lecherous looking

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:11:48 -1000 (HST)
From: Wayne Haight <whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu>
Subject: Series IIA Ammeter hook up

Aloha,

I have an ampmeter in the dash of my 1970 Series IIA SWB which right now 
is just filling a hole. The wiring schematics in my LR manual and Haynes 
manual do not show wiring for an ampmeter. Can anyone tell me what wires 
should be connected to the leads on the ampmeter?

Mahalo,

Wayne Haight (whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu)
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
NOAA/NMFS 
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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From: Gary Baker <roverite@dfn.com>
Subject: Re: Important Land Rover content....
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 09:37:37 PDT

Outstanding!!!

I have not laughed that hard for some time, keep up the good work.

New to the LRO listing.

  _____
  I__I__\_=_
  I=(0)__-I(0)I=

Gary G.  Baker
Roswell, New Mexico, USA
roverite@dfn.com

'73  Series III *88* (Frame Off)
'92  RRover County
'78  Rolls Royce SS II
LOOKING FOR '93 DEFENDER *110* USA

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:19:53 -0400
Subject: Engine swap update..

Just got back from my mechanic....
It's not ready yet :-(   The "good" news is that he decided that the
driveline angles on the rear would probably be too extreme,  so he's
replacing the rear end with a custom Ford 9".  Aftermarket parts will be
easier to find as well as relieving my fears of constantly snapping axles.
 Hopefully, he will be able to match the front end's gear ratios, and if not,
he will also replace the front end.   All this for no extra charge :-)  So,
add to my "for sale or storage" parts list a Rover rear end and a couple of
16" steel wheels (if the front is replaced as well, add the front end w/ Warn
locking hubs, brake system,  and 3 more steel wheels w/ BFG AT's).  Add to my
want list a rear spare tire mount..

For those of you who can't remember what I'm doing:  It started with the
simple thought that I'd like some more power and a newer engine (preferably a
fuel injected V6 or V8).  Talked to a mechanic (and a few people on this
list) and realized that the stock transmittion would not take the power of a
V6 with any grace.  Ok, I'll swap the tranny as well..  It didn't stop there
because adapters to mate the stock transfer case to a new tranny were more
expensive than a new transfer case (not to mention severely limiting my
transmittion choices).  Finally, a choice was made to install a "built" late
model Chevy vortec V6, a four-speed automatic transmition (700r4) and a NP
208 transfer case.  Also, we needed to replace the cooling system and
electrical system.  With this choice, I would have about 220 hp, and great
gearing for highway or off-road.  We've run across a few problems; exhaust
manifold, driveline angles, mating stock components with new, PO's
"modifications", etc...  and I'm expecting to find more...    So far, the
process has taken a little over 5 months, and I'm expecting it will take
another month in the shop to iron out the obvious bugs (probably another "in
& out of the shop" year to get everything working together in harmony) not to
mention stripping everything "Rover" out of the vehicle (am I going to tear
up at old oil spots?)...   I would not recommend for anyone to do this who
uses the car a primary vehicle, or a limited wallet (budget about $10-12k),
or a lack of patience, or......  Looking back, I think I could have lived
with the lack of power vs the frustration of this engine swap (especially
since getting a twin turbo 300zx to satisfy my speed cravings).  Oh well,
live and learn.

Thanks for the bandwidth,
Chris Fisher -- '73 Land Rover 88 Series III hybrid -- Denver, Colorado

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From: O2BATSEA@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:17:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine swap update..

Next time, buy an older model Bronco and put a Rover body on it. 
Way easier and no doubt thousands cheaper. It wouldn't be a Land Rover per
se. but neither is the truck you're building.

Bill Adams
3D artist/ animator

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 18:29:34 -0500
From: Paul Hanson <"HANSONPA@"@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: Ben asked abuot "Renewed Traditions"

Ben,
	This Co. in Atlanta Ga. sent me a D-90 "clone" with MUCHO 
problems.  They do not want to take it back even though I have managed 
to place a stop on the last half of the $15K they wanted.  So, I am 
currently watching over their "problem LR" and am seeking legal advice. 
 Proceed with MUCH cvaution.
	Paul

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:30:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Ad in today's Wash Post

On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Adams, Bill wrote:

> In the Antiques and Classics section is the following advert:
> Landrovers(6)- All are complete for parts or restoration with 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> $1500 each or $5000 for all. 814-845-4279
> I disclaim any knowlege of this person or their vehicles.
I have spoken with this guy. He used to do restorations now is getting rid
of his stock.  It sounds like he is snoopiing for a rich but stupid yuppy.
The Rovers are in central Pa. about 2 hrs North -East of Pittsburgh.  The
Hulks are worth about $500.00 each.  None have Trop Roofs or other goodies
most are SIII.  

Russ W>
67 RHD 
The Pig

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:46:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Ben asked  "Renewed Traditions"

thank you....i almost dealt with them but the list....saved me!!!!

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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 19:17:04 +0000
From: Randolph Peterson <peter155@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Renewed Traditions

>Does anyone have experience with RENEWED TRADITIONS out of Atlanta
>Ga.,importer of refuburished and remanufactured Classic Series Land
>Rovers.If so would you please share it eith me.
>Thanks,
>Benjamin G. Newman

I would also like to know a little about these guys.  Please post any 
info to the digest so we can all read it.
Thanks
Randolph Peterson

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From: jcirbo@mailbox.iwaynet.net
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:10:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 109 frame for sale

Greetings,

I am in possesion of a 109 frame that I would like to unload.  The frame
seems to have come from an early 60's 2-door or pickup with a 2.25L engine.
I had it delivered from Tucson this spring, with the intent on using it to
replace the poor unit under a '67 NADA in my garage.  Upon comparing frames,
I have decided that moving engine and tranny mounts, and a cross member,
would be more of a challange than I wish to tackle. 

This frame is in excellent condition.  It needs no repairs.  It is located
in Columbus, Ohio.

Offers?  

E-mail or call for info.

Jim Cirbus
(614)965-9851 (H)
(614)478-6252 (W)

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:42:52 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Best ratio with 9.00x16 

On Fri, 4 Oct 96, Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch> wrote:

>I would like to fit on my 90 Defender Tdi for serious off road a set of 
9.00x16.
>The problem is thath I would like also to modify the ratio, because of the
>not so strong engine !

How many other vehicles are you towing on these serious off road trips? The Tdi 
in a 90 (assuming it's getting some appropriate maintenance!) could hardly be be 
called a not-so-strong engine.  More ground clearance with higher profile tyres 
won't leave you underpowered in low ratio. There is a great deal of power to 
spare in a Tdi 90 on its own. 
What is your service system like?

   
Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:41:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Renewed Traditions

I was "approached" by these guys a few months ago and asked here and only got
bad reviews...all things from pseudo-rovers to import problems....I have no
experience with them but would like to hear something good if anyone can say
it.  Otherwise caveat emptor!!!

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:54:11 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Engine swap update..

At  7:17 PM 10/4/96 -0400, O2BATSEA@aol.com wrote:

>Next time, buy an older model Bronco and put a Rover body on it.
>Way easier and no doubt thousands cheaper. It wouldn't be a Land Rover per
>se. but neither is the truck you're building.
;
>Bill Adams
>3D artist/ animator
;
Sigh

Bill if you head to the UK & look at the Land Rovers there, you will find a
verylarge number converted to the Ford V6.  You will find Nison, Perkins &
all knds of diesls where Land Rover powerplants used to be.  There are
probably as high a proportion of swaps in South Africa and Austraila.  Why
even Rover swaped in a Buick V8.  Only in North America do you find proper
engine chalvinists.  If Rover had that attitude, plushmobiles would be
powered by 2.5L four cyl. engines.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:02:21 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Engine swap update..

TeriAnn,

Well said:

>Bill if you head to the UK & look at the Land Rovers there, you will find a
>verylarge number converted to the Ford V6.  You will find Nison, Perkins &
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>engine chalvinists.  If Rover had that attitude, plushmobiles would be
>powered by 2.5L four cyl. engines.

But what's a Chalvinist?  Is that a Chauvanistic Calvinist?  <:^)

Granny

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Subject: A Jeep'er on D90s
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 20:18:01 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us>

	What a fine complement on D90s from a Jeep'r  -Ben

------- Forwarded Message

Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 19:37:22 -0700
From: "Stephen V. Hennenfent" <handyman@iinet.com>
Subject: Bad Ass LandRover D 90

As the president of a Jeep only club my Rover knowledge is nill, but I
had the chance to drive a prototype D 90 with 35" BFG's tons of wheel
travel, a great looking front bumper & winch , and tons of other
goodies. I dont know squat about rovers but this open diffed D90 walked
on my locked up CJ7. all that i know about this rig is that it was built
by Safari Gard in So. Cal. I was hoping to see it in here.
- -- 
SLTG

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:22:37 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Important Land Rover content....

>LOOKING FOR '93 DEFENDER *110* USA
Gary,
Aristocrat Motors (phone 913 677 3300) had one last week.  This is in
Kansas City.

you can lead a horse to water, but if the silly beast drinks till he bursts,
all you have to show for your good intentions is a dead horse.

Steve Paustian
2- 95 D90 SW's  (LandRover obsessed for over 25 yrs and loving it!)
President, Flatland Rover Society

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 23:26:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Buying another Series!

Well,  I've gone and done it(or am about too!)!  I've had my eye on a '74
Series III with 33,000 miles(original) on it for a couple of
years...waiting for the guy to need money.  Well, the Rover Gods have
answered my prayers, as I'm giving him a check for it tomorrow!  It's a
really nice truck with a clean frame(other than a couple of outriggers that
need replacing), except that some creatures made a nest in it and it now
smells like vermin urine!  The temporary transit tag is burning a hole in
the rear of my Range Rover!
      The greatest news of all is that my wife is letting me sleep at home
tonight! ;-)  She has been bitten by the Rover bug as much as anyone I
know(except Jim Pappas!),  but secretly won't admit it!  She protests for
awhile..."where are we gonna put it!?," etc...
      The foliage is beautiful, it's bird hunting season, and soon, another
Solihull product will join our family...things couldn't be better!  I'm
sure I'll be posting in a few days with all sorts of questions(I hope
not)...but until then, I'll just enjoy this feeling!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA 88", 1974
Series III 88"

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Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:22:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Series IIA Electrics-HELP!

Okay, so I wanted to take my Rover down to the Mid-Atlantic Rover Rally
tomorrow morning. So...to give my kid something to do on the way there, I
went about hooking up the CB to the ignition switch.

Now the CB works, but the starter motor doesn't---and neither to the
headlights. What gives? Have I done something to the ignition switch?

Is anyone out there listening....or is everyone at the Rally?

Chris Stevens
'69 Series IIa SW

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Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 3:48:25 -0500
From: "il01 tower gateway 1%T1MGW" <il01_tower_gateway_1%T1MGW@email.mot.com>
Subject: Undeliverable Mail

Message: Re: Paint again
Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 1996 2:41 AM
On Server: IL01 Corp Quality
Date: Sat, Oct 5, 1996 3:45 AM
Reason: Could not be delivered because the destination Microsoft Mail server 
could not be found.

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