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1 Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-m87trip report Corsica (long)
2 Rob MacCormick [Rob_MacC15who's drivin' this bus?
3 "Niel J. P. Fagan" [NF@o21 Re: Galv chassis & Waxoyl.
4 rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa18Re: who's drivin' this bus?
5 Proto777@aol.com 21springs
6 Proto777@aol.com 13springs
7 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us14Re: Disco Purchase...
8 twakeman@scruznet.com (T23Re: stowing and using a Hi-Lift on a D90
9 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.13stowing and using a Hi-Lift on a D90
10 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.17Re: Safety in Aluminum Cans
11 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.18Re: Accidents in L-R's
12 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r20Fuel tanks
13 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em11lr trivia...
14 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us24Re: Alternate diesels in 88
15 Jeff Berry [jaberry@i20226Re: Series fuel filler (JB)
16 jim@kidd.com (jnk) 28sprung spring
17 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr16Re: J.C.Whitless (was seatbelts)
18 12/4/95 [rsloan@titan.li27a jack by any other name...
19 jouster@rocket.com (John14Re: Alternate diesels in 88
20 jouster@rocket.com (John17removing Black gunk on body panels
21 Mike Dryfoos [mikedr@MIC11Series database entry
22 Mike Dryfoos [mikedr@MIC17need source for free-wheeling hubs
23 Adrian Redmond [channel622Re: removing Black gunk on body panels
24 "Robert Fisk" [sfisk@hot10[not specified]
25 "David Lee" [DJFLee@msn.21Re: Hi-Lift Jack
26 QROVER80@aol.com 16Re: Tr3
27 paarch@ix.netcom.com (Pa40#%*&@~&# City ordinances
28 rover@pinn.net (Alexande30Good news/bad news
29 RALPH@SMUGGITS.MHS.Compu18Re: Re: Alternate diesels in 88
30 ole jørgen vikanes [ovika7no more mail please!!!!!!!!!!
31 "David J. Mercer" [merki28RE: thanks for info
32 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet51Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances
33 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+21Re: sprung spring
34 "Gonzalez del Cid." [jtg10Range Rover Wheels
35 "Gonzalez del Cid." [jtg11Range Rover Wheels
36 "John P. Casteel" [jcast55Series Database
37 "John P. Casteel" [jcast16Re: lr trivia...
38 Michel Bertrand [mbertra43Re: Range Rover Wheels
39 Greg Moore [gmoore@islan18Re: sprung spring
40 ericz@cloud9.net 38Difficult Announcement...
41 ericz@cloud9.net 9Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances
42 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em13Re: lr trivia...
43 Jon Nyhus [bmc@syspac.co25Re: Jon's Range Rover Wheels
44 Michel Bertrand [mbertra74Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances
45 Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b26Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances
46 brazelle [brazelle@iques25original upholstery ?
47 ericz@cloud9.net 82Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances
48 twakeman@scruznet.com (T33Re: Tr3
49 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em24Re: Tr3
50 rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa33Re: Difficult Announcement...
51 paarch@ix.netcom.com (Pa30Re: Tr3
52 rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa22Re: Hi-Lift Jack
53 rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa18Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances
54 uf974@freenet.victoria.b28turbo on a 2.25 diesel
55 "Christopher H. Dow" [do59Re: original upholstery ?
56 rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa30Re: original upholstery ?
57 Greg Moore [gmoore@islan15Re: original upholstery ?
58 Jeremy J Bartlett [Bartl24Re: original upholstery ?
59 ericz@cloud9.net 16Re: turbo on a 2.25 diesel
60 rhodesia@juno.com (Chris7[not specified]


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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: trip report Corsica (long)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:05:15 +0200 (METDST)

Hello Rovers,
perhaps some of you are interested in some details about my recent
climbing trip to Corsica.
We (my girlfriend and I) started friday (Sep. 13th) 15:30 from Rosenheim 

in manifold cooking while going up the Brenner pass. This steak was delicious.
Even my Angelika who was very sceptical at first,  found it good. We took the 
ferry at 8:15 and landed in Bastia 5 hours later. We first headed west to the
Desert des Agrigates which despite of the name is no desert in the normal
sense, but farely remote. We sleeped in the Rover and took a nice unpaved
road down to the sea from the Bocca di Vezzu. This one is nothing searious,
but can't be driven with every normal car since it's somewhat rocky. There
is a second _off road_ in the area leaving the D81 at Casta which I was
told is more searious, especially after rain.
We spent the day on the beach and then drove south to the Asco valley and 
hiked up the Muvrella (2148m) the next day. You have a good view on Monte
Cinto (2706m) the highest mountain of the island from there.
Wednesday we spent sport climbing in Caporalino. Thursday we took a stroll
in Corte in the rain (not recommended!). The only good thing there was a
SIII 109 truck cab with a monster of a winch, obiously used for towing wood.
On Friday the weather was good again, so we went climing in Ponte Vecchio.
Saturday saw us driving the D69 to Zicavo and climbing there all the afternoon.
In the evening we headed on southward and camped just befor Zonza. In the
night we had several thunderstorms with rain that sounded like it would 
wash my Rover away. Having breakfast beneath the bakery in Zonza, we met
two people from Berchtesgaden in a VW bus who reported that the weather was 
very bad at the Bavella pass, the place we wanted to go next. So we changed
our plans and visited the prehistoric site at Cucuruzzu and then went south 
to Bonifacio, which is a nice old city and stands on chalk rocks. They look
like those in Dover, but are much harder. After the visit with two more 
thunderstorms we took the N169 up the east coast to Conca.
On Monday we went climbing at Punta Calcina near Conca and headed on to 
Solenzara in the evening. The next day we sent some our at the crag at 
Monte Santu, but it was very hot and the climbing there was not that good,
so on we went to the Col de la Bavella (Bavella pass). There we had a hard
strom. You could feel the wind while the truck was parked. After a 15 min walk
tio the sportclimbing area we decided that it was much to cold to climb
the next day and so we went down on the west side of the pass.
The next two days saw us driving up the west cost to Calvi and laying in the
sun on farious beaches. On that way we met Brummls brother, an exmilitary
110, but with softtop. 
In Calvi we came across two German guys with a exmil. 1983 SIII that 
looked like it was just out of the showroom (no, it was NOT clean!). The 
owner was a real Rover fanatic. He told me that he just bought this one
from the British forces in M"onchengladbach. Having some good Rover talk, he
told me about a very good unpaved road that leads from Conca to Zonza over
the mountains. He had driven it some years ago and seriously got stuck there.
After a several hour walk in the dark he arrived in Zonza at 3 h in the 
morning, found a hotel, where they celebrated the cooks birthday and though
were still awake. The next day a 80 year old man pulled his Land Rover out
with a farm traktor.
We had a lazy day on the beach on Friday and grilled some fish on the manifold.
On Saturday we went on the ferry at 2pm and landed in La Spezia at 7:30pm.
Being hungry we wrapped the two steaks we bought in Bastia in tinfoil, 
attached them to the manifold and brumm! onto the autostrada. I got somewhat
nervous, but the parking places had exactly the right distance.
We sleeped near Verona and got home at 3 pm on Sunday.
I didn't have any technical problems despite of a dirty plug on the oil 
pressure switch, that went back on duty after I cleaned it.
 
And now the statistics:
We saw about 10 Series vehicles (mostly SIII), 50 90/110 (Defender and Pre-Defender),
20 Discos and 30 Range Rovers. About 80% where locals, the rest tourists. 
Sadly almost non waved back. Corsica is the only land despite of the UK 
that I've been to that has more Land Rovers than J**ps. Most of the local 
110s had a truck cab and where clearly used as work vehicles. the highlights 
where a D130 with camping cabin (German), the above mentioned SIII 109 with 
the monster whinch, a SII 88 in Bonifatio and the 2 mentioned exmil. trucks
(both Germans).

If anyone is interested in info on climing in Corsica, please contact me.

Cheers,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
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      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:16:38 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: who's drivin' this bus?

...snip
  'mericans drive on
the left side of the vehicle, Brits drive on the right side of the vehicle.
......snip 

If this is true, perhaps I have the 4 speed forward/16 reverse variant????
How rare is this??

Rob M 
ser.IIa RHD dormobile living, driving, and leaking in the USA

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:38:29 GMT
Subject:       Re: Galv chassis & Waxoyl.

Do it, and do it good, esp. on the inside of the box sections either 
end of the main rails. My replacement (L-R) chassis was galv'ed, but 
there's rust starting to show in the spring hanger boxes and my 
brothers front rails rusted through on his. Dads rear cross-members 
rotted away as well, but we put that down to the Bull-sh-t & salt 
water....

SI 88 diesel (mine)
SIIa 109 6cyl (brothers) soon to be replaced by a SIIb F/C diesel
SIII 88 diesel (dads)

Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:05:22 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: who's drivin' this bus?

>  'mericans drive on
>the left side of the vehicle, Brits drive on the right side of the vehicle.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>If this is true, perhaps I have the 4 speed forward/16 reverse variant????
>How rare is this??
Oh, not so rare as you might imagine, I have 4 or 5 sitting in the back
yard right now.  The only reason I don't drive them is that I'm currently
useing them to store my collection of hens teeth.

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW
Scitex Prismax II

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From: Proto777@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:07:09 -0400
Subject: springs

Ahoy the list,
I'm looking for a pair of used rear springs
for my '64 IIa, 88". The current set has fanned
and siezed to the extent that they seem 
welded. Cold fusion? Someone that went 
to a coil conversion, perhaps.
Also, I have a safari top and I'm looking
to work some type of trade for a truck
cab.
Going to mid-atlantic. It's 20 miles from
home. Almost walking distance..... you 
never know.

Thanks,
Coleman 

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From: Proto777@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:20:48 -0400
Subject: springs

All,
Sorry, I forgot to include email address.

Coleman     
Proto777@aol.com

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 9:18:09 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Disco Purchase...

If they're looking for a grocery getter, avoid the Land Rover. The Volvo 
is safer, more fuel efficient, more reliable, less complex, and better 
suited to the chore of parking-lot roulette.
I'd buy one in a moment.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:25:10 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: stowing and using a Hi-Lift on a D90

At  8:11 PM 9/29/96 -0700, Michael McKeag wrote:

>So much for the Hi-Lift as a truck decoration, how to use it? The jack
>nose fits securely under the square profile of the front bumper, but
.what about jacking the rear? There's nothing but round tubing back
>there, and the tow points on either side of the fuel tank. I can imagine
.lots of possible arrangements with slings and hooks, etc., but I'd be
>interested to hear what actually works the field.
>.
>Mike
;
Mike, you can do what I did, have jack points welded to the rear crossmamber.

Worked great for my car.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:59:49 +0000
Subject: stowing and using a Hi-Lift on a D90

>While I'm at it, I should get a piece of heavy gauge steel equal in
>width to the height of the wheel well, to secure behind the jack,
>against the wheel well, for use as a Hi-Lift "big foot" when jacking
>on soft ground. Otherwise, I may need another appliance from Hi-Lift
>Jack Company, the Post-Popper, to extract the jack from the mud.

Use yer spare wheel - it's what theyre for........

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:59:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Safety in Aluminum Cans

>This same fellow told me about a friend of his who gotten sideways on
>a hill in the Rockies that was more than 45 degrees, and the Land
>Rover rolled over and over down the hill.  When the dust settled, it
>had landed right side up, and the bruised and battered occupants
>drove out to civilization on four flat tires.

There wa a great picture of a film crew who had done something 
similar on an ice slopein Iceland. The 110 (bog standard - no roll 
bar) had rolled comlpetely over end ended up on its roof looking all 
pathetic and embarrassed with its little wheels in the air. Oh yeah. 
Damage? The windscreen was cracked.

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:59:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Accidents in L-R's

>:On a slightly different track, a head on impact test several years
>:ago on several 4x4's showed that the transfer of forces to the body
>:was sufficent to kill, due to a torn aorta mainly, because of the
>:lack of crumple zones. 

The tests I saw found one factor vastly overruled everything else. 
WEIGHT. The heavy car decellerated slower than the light one. Crumple 
zones and stuff were only second order effects. The much vaunted 
Volvos were actually only average in protection for their weight. 
(It's all advertising hype....)

Landrovers are HEAVY.......

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 04:50:28 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Fuel tanks

Someone mentioned keeping some air space in a tank for a buffer.

This doesn't work. By leaving air space in you create a nice explosive
mixture with the fuel vapour. By filling the tank to the brim you don't
leave enough room for much vapour.

All this is irrelevant in a moving vehicle as the fuel is usually going
down. But it's good to know when you are working on the vehicle.

Play safe, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:10:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: lr trivia...

	Regarding the usual debate on how many LR's were sold in NA,
	another number to add to the mix.  Between 1955 and 1960 the
	two dealerships in Newfoundland sold approx 1,000 Land Rovers
	(about a dozen survive)

	Rgds,

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 11:09:37 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Alternate diesels in 88

Look for either and older Isuzu P'up with the Diesel or (even rarer) an 
old Trooper 2 with the turbo diesel.  Perkins Marine diesel engines are 
top-quality units but are expensive due to their demand by the yachty 
crowd.
Mercedes-Benz and Audi/VW engines are engineered for passenger vehicles 
and don't really meet the requirements for off-road trucks, unless you 
can find the commercial truck 6 cylinder somewhere.
If you wish to go all-out and build a monster Rover, go with the GM 6.2 
liter as fitted to Suburbans, Cadillacs and some older Safari station 
wagons. This is a really big V8 engine that will need modifications done 
to the engine bay.
You'll need to get the Stage 1 or Defender grille and a larger radiator 
as well as heavier-duty-er springs. I think there are some people in the 
UK that have adaptor kits for these.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:07:30 -0400
From: Jeff Berry <jaberry@i2020.net>
Subject: Re: Series fuel filler (JB)

rscholl@lib.com wrote:

>      Jeff:
>         A gentleman that just moved from MA to VT (last year) has a pile of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>      rscholl@lib.com
>      70 SIIa 88"

Thank you RFS for Mikes number he was very helpful, had the filler neck
and is drilling out the rivots as we speak.
He is located:
	Bit of Britian
	Chelsea Rd
	Cornith VT 05039
	802-439-5815
He said he was open 24 hours a day ....at least thats what it seems like
to his wife..

Jeff Berry 
94 D90 (with a few Series parts here and there)
Richmond, VA

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:19:59 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: sprung spring

hello everyone,

help...

my rover is a 1960 SII 88". i noticed a funny rubbing noise yesterday while
off-roading. on inspection i noticed that the front left leaf spring had
patially seperated. two of the leaves were fanned out. what made it worse
was that i could move them back into place with my hand. when i got home
and checked again, one of the leaves had worked its way forward and is
about to come out. the retaining band is pushed up around where the top
leaf is rounded and connects to the frame. what gives? can i hammer these
back into place? should i replace the spring it or have it repaired by a
spring shop?

by the way, drunk redneck types get real friendly when: their $20,000 chevy
z-71's sink up to their axles, their snatch rope breaks four times on four
attempts by a toyota pickup, the truck won't budge and you happen to be
there in your land rover with a winch even though they were hollering out
to their friends before they were stuck "hey... there's kangaroo bob. you
go huntin' for elephants and sh*t in that thing don't ya kangaroo."

jim karantinos
tallahassee, fl

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:55:51 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: J.C.Whitless (was seatbelts)

Somebody mentioned J.C. Whitney as a good source of stuff...  Their catalogs
are definitely worth getting.  They also have a bit of a web page at
<http://www.catalogsite.com/Gen/JCWhitney_P1.html> where you can request a
catalog.  They also have a presence on Compuserve I think.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: a jack by any other name...

Someone asked me how i fit a high lift in the back of my D90, and the 
answer is, I don't think I did.  I just assumed that the jack I had from 
my old Bronco was one but now that I've seen the real McCoy I now see I 
was mistaken. I don't have either jack at hand to compare, but here's how 
I had it...my old jack was pretty big and I had it installed 
along the gunwale, on top of the rear wheel well.  It stretched from the 
rear speaker to the triangular piece of tubing behind the front seats.  I 
never had my rear seat installed while the jack was there, I only carried 
it in my D90 twice.  The Bronco had a mount for the jack on the spare 
tire carrier, a set up that was ideal because it kept it out of the way 
and freed up a lot of space on the inside of the truck.  I'm not sure if 
such a set up could be fabricated on a D90, but I'm sure some industrious 
soul has found a way to do it.  The other option, of course, is to mount 
your jack to a roof rack.  I've seen just about everything on a roof 
rack, and it seems a logical place to put something that's too big for 
the back of the truck.  Well, good luck and let me know how you're 
dealing with it.  As I'm going to get a hi lift I'd like to know what 
you've decided on and how it worked out.

Rich
D90 # 2948
Dried clay=waxoyl? leave it on or take it off?

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:50:40 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Alternate diesels in 88

Doug Shipman had a complete Mercedes 300 diesel w/ conversion kit.
What's wrong with a stock 2.25 in good condition, or (my ideal) a 2.5?
John O
'64 109 deezil 5-door

>Question - does anyone have an 88 powered by a Mercedes or Isuzu diesel?  If
>so, would appreciate your comments about this foolhardy venture.  One yard
>offered me a VW Jetta diesel today, but I rejected it thinking it would be
>even slower and more undered powered than a Rover diesel.

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:47:32 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: removing Black gunk on body panels

Conventional paint stripper, applied and scraped several times, will 
eventually remove the black asphault adhesive that glued the horse-hair to 
the aluminum. It helps A LOT to have the surface laying flat, ie; unbolt it 
and lay it horizontal. I DO NOT recommend sandblasting aluminum sheet metal 
as it will warp. OTOH, I may be the only one who cares.
JohnO

>How do you remove the black gunk stuck on the interior panels of the Series
>truck. I have removed the original vinyl/moist/smelly carpet/sound deadening
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>					       \______/
>mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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From: Mike Dryfoos <mikedr@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: Series database entry
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:29:19 -0700

Here is the info on my Rover:

24441713G,1971,IIa,88,noname,Poppy Red and
Limestone,Washington,USA,dd,unk,mikedr@microsoft.com,lro-net,overdrive;
Warn winch; tropical roof; electronic ignition; unleaded head

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From: Mike Dryfoos <mikedr@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: need source for free-wheeling hubs
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:34:16 -0700

My Rover ('71 88") is fitted with Dualmatics free wheel hubs, which are
beginning to wear out.  Can anyone recommed a source for decent used FW
hubs?  I'm particularly interested in a pair of Warn M11, if there are
any out there for sale.

Alternatively, anyone know about availability of parts to rebuild the
Dualmatics?

Thanks.

mikedr@microsoft.com

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:21:23 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: removing Black gunk on body panels

I did this a couple of years ago on my 88" - I think I used petrol, or
was it Xylene thinners? Could have been cellulose or turpentine - but I
am sure it was removeable with a solvent!

Good luck
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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From: "Robert Fisk" <sfisk@hotmail.com>
Date: 	Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:34:17 -0700

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 20:41:16 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: Re:  Hi-Lift Jack

Before the thread dies, can anyone advise me on the wisdom of jacking the 
front bumper of a standard civilian 109 SW with a Hi-Lift?
All the literature I have read says do not jack under the bumper, but:
a.  I cannot see how else to do it with a Hi-Lift.
b.  The recently discussed LRO article has a picture of an enthusiastic young 
lady doing just that - albeit on a Military bumper.
Incidentally, a Hi-Lift in the UK seems to cost about twice the prices quoted 
from the US.  Serves us right for having access to cheap Landie spares I 
s'pose.
Thanks for the tyre info by the way - It's Trac Edge for me.

Dave Lee
Kinloss Scotland
SIII 109 Safari
Another sidescreen TR owner (TR2) - Do landies and TRs naturally go together? 
Is this an unexplained phenomena? Should I call Agent Scully?

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:51:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Tr3

Dave Lee said

SIII 109 Safari
Another sidescreen TR owner (TR2) - Do landies and TRs naturally go together?

Is this an unexplained phenomena? Should I call Agent Scully?

I don't know about Sculley BUT I have a Tr3a. On the road and legal but still
in brown primer.
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:50:23 -0700
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: #%*&@~&# City ordinances

        I have been planning a frame-replacement on my 88" for a couple of
months now. The last month or so I have been stripping all the parts bolted
onto and welded on-to the replacement frame in preparation of adding
left-side(passenger ;^) ) fuel-tank mounts and possibly roll-bar mounts. I
than had planned on having the whole thing Galvanized or powder-coated.
        Last week I received a ticket for the chassis(abandoned,
non-operating vehicle) in my drive-way! I talked the officer into giving me
a couple of weeks to finish my work, before getting it out of sight. Now
after talking to code inforcement officers, I have found out that I can not
do a frame swap in residential Fremont. I can't do welding, I can't do any
sort of painting, I can't co any bodywork  etc. etc.
        What do I do? any ideas? I am really pissed off and am going to
looking into changing the stupid ordinance if possible, The cop hinted that
it was possible but had "a considerable fee" attached.
My options are, as I see them:
A.      ignore ordinance-risk fines-penalty, possibly have vehicle
inpounded(according to cop)
B.      move to the country (farmers are allowed to work on their vehicles)
C.      find somewhere in S.F. south or east bay to do the work. (Lynn
Helm's shop would have been perfect, but he is closing shop :^(
D.      Take it to an approved Fremont body-shop ( owners probably give the
ordinance-writers a kickback!) spend mony I don't have etc... ( if I had
that kind of money, I would trade it in on a D-90)
E.      sell all my "old clunkers", buy  #%*@*#&$ Jap-trash like all the
other people.  NEVER!
F.      any realistic suggestions from y'all
        Thanks for any ideas.
                Paul

Paul Archibald
paarch@ix.netcom.com
(parch@smmff.com during the week at work)
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....uh oh Lucas strikes again :^(
'87 Range-Rover-over 160,000 miles-back from the dead "going strong" (Squeak)

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:08:03 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Good news/bad news

WRT the Mid-Atlantic Land Rover Rally.  First the good news:

We should have one of the Camel Trophy Discos on-site.

Now the bad news:  My college friend who works at RJR had the Camel Trophy 
distribution warehouse in Europe (Brussels) send a bunch of stuff over for 
give-aways.  The shipment contained 50 Camel Trophy hats...and the whole 
bundle is now languishing in Customs in Greensboro, NC.  Seems that the hats 
were made in China, and that there is an *import quota* on Chinese-made 
baseball hats!  (I'll bet that reactionary geezer Sen. Jesse Helms is behind 
this! or maybe it's Strom Thurmond.)  So customs has to check to see if the 
quota is being exceeded.  And the invoice didn't have what the hats were 
made of....  That's liable to get another half-dozen gov't bureaucracies 
involved.  These are HATS for crissakes not Chinese-made assault rifles!

...and you thought that hosting a rally was simple.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: RALPH@SMUGGITS.MHS.CompuServe.COM
Date: 30 Sep 96 17:06:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: Alternate diesels in 88

Bill,

You recommend the GM 6.2 litre v8 for a conversion. Is this engine all it 
is made out to be. It seems that it would be the perfect diesel 
equivilant to the Petrol v8, especially in the newer 6.5 litre TD 
flavour. I have however heard rumblings about the reliability in the long 
term of this engine. I ask specifically as a potential conversion for my 
101Fc expedition camper. Any comments?

Ralph

101 Fc.

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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 02:13:14 +0200
From: ole jørgen vikanes <ovikanes@sn.no>
Subject: no more mail please!!!!!!!!!!

-- 
-dont send more mail!!!!!!!!!

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From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net>
Subject: RE: thanks for info
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:24:03 -0700
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

	Where is this guy parting out the S1s? and is that 88" also being parted out? Thanks in advance.

----------

David Mercer
PO BOX 3713 
Olympic Valley CA 96146
ph  916-583-4829
fax 916-583-4829
merkin@sierra.net
53 S1 80" IN REBUILD  "THE HOON"
57 S1 107" SW, FOR SALE  "THE BUS"
63 SII 88"
65 SII 88", FOR SALE
66 SII 88"
69&71 MB U900s
86 MB 280GE 
88 SAAB 9000 

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:43:28 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances

Paul Archibald wrote:
> snip
>         Last week I received a ticket for the chassis(abandoned,
> non-operating vehicle) in my drive-way! 

I'm not clear on this.  Is it a ticket based on the Fremont ordinance? If not
I'd guess (wrongly?) that it's inappropriate because the non-op/abandoned regs.
apply (to the best of my knowledge) only to public "higways" (i.e., streets).

> Now
> after talking to code inforcement officers, I have found out that I can not
> do a frame swap in residential Fremont. 

The key is you can't do one they know about.  How flexible is your garage situation?

I sympathize with this.  I've been checking neighborhoods in WA and look into 
covenants etc. that might restrict even parking vehicles in the driveway (regardless
of "condition"); some neighborhoods are pretty anal and plastic. Mind you I also 
have some (limited) sympathy for some of my neighbors who have to view my
"wreck" and I wouldn't want a neighbor with 3 rusting hulks parked exposed in the road.

> F.      any realistic suggestions from y'all
>         Thanks for any ideas.
>                 Paul

If you're truly stuck try camouflage. After all such ordinance aren't really based on
the auto repair special interests ( :) ).  It's all down to appearances.  
One "trick" is a mock form (plywood or PVC - the white irrigation piping stuff from the hardware) 
around the frame, etc. in turn encapsulated by a by a car cover (not a tarp) - presto - a fancy 
expensive late model something that any yuppy would be proud of parked neatly in the driveway.  
They'd never know what was underneath and the neighbors wouldn't have anything to complain about
 ... might even raise the property values :) Hey you could even put a BMW or Porsche emblem 
on it to give the right impression.

How much driveway space do you have?  Is a temporary structure an option (for example
some of these temporary carports)?  A bit more involved but convenient than the above.

Storage space places sometimes have powered units that accept vehicles (there's one in Oakland).
Unfortunately this falls into the category of $$ (just under $200/mo.).

Check with Jory Bell, he was talking about getting people together to rent shop space in SF
(once again $).

cheers 

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: sprung spring

On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, jnk wrote:

> by the way, drunk redneck types get real friendly when: their $20,000 chevy
> z-71's sink up to their axles, their snatch rope breaks four times on four
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> jim karantinos
> tallahassee, fl
If you did in fact pull them out you are a better person than I.  
There would have to have been much, much, begging and the exchange of some
cash before I would help out a prick like that.  Let him call a tow truck
or one of his redneck pals, who probably owns the towtruck by the way.  If
it were life and death and the guy was alone I would help him out even if
he was a jerk but since his buddy was there...screw 'em.

Russ W.
Often drunk but tries hard not to be a jerk

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From: "Gonzalez del Cid." <jtge@guate.net>
Subject: Range Rover Wheels
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:02:57 -0600

To Jon:
I want you to send me the price of the wheels or your phone number to
contact you.
Thanks.

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From: "Gonzalez del Cid." <jtge@guate.net>
Subject: Range Rover Wheels
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:04:54 -0600

I was sent some e-mail concerning a set of Range Rover Wheels in canada,
but somehow I lost the information.  If it's no trouble, please send me the
contact again, Please,
Jose Gonzalez
jtge@guate.net

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:34:38 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Series Database

This information is based on 78 vehicles reported.  I have limited 
information on some vehicles so the totals may not be equal

Vehicles by Year:       			Vehicles by WBase:
1948    -  0	1967	-  1     	            80	-    3
1949    -  0    1968    -  2     		    86  -    2
1950    -  0    1969    -  7    		    88  -   48
1951    -  2    1970    -  2     		   107  -    2
1952    -  0	1971	-  9			   109	-   22
1953    -  0	1972	-  8
1954    -  0	1973	-  3
1955	-  1	1974	-  1			Vehicles by Series:
1956	-  1	1975	-  1			  I	-    6
1957	-  2	1976	-  1	 		  II	-    4
1958	-  0	1977	-  1			  IIA	-   41
1959	-  3	1978	-  1			  II1	-   25		
1960	-  0	1979	-  0		        III S1	-    1
1961	-  3	1980	-  0	
1962	-  1	1981	-  1
1963	-  6	1982	-  2		Condition:
1964	-  8	1983	-  0	   dd	-  54	     pc	  -  3
1965	-  6	1984	-  0	   dr	-   7	  dd/ur	  -  1
1966	-  4	1985	-  0	   ur   -  11       unk   -  1
				               destroyed  -  1

Vehicle by Country:		North American Importers:
UK		-   5		Arizona ?
Australia	-   3		Daum Imports - Madison, Wi
Austria		-   1		Boston ?
Canada		-  12		Copeland Motor Car, Co
Holland		-   1		Shell Oil
Israel		-   1		Fred Deely (Vancouver BC)
New Zealand	-   1		Burnell Motors Winnipeg
South Africa	-   2		Baker Auto Sales Atlanta
South Australia	-   1		British Northwest Land Rover
USA		-  47		New York (HDO Murphy)
West Indies	-   1		Knievel Imports Butte MT
Unknown		-   2		Rover N.A. Houston
				Land Rover Atlanta Ltd.
				Cowie Motors Halifax
				Rootes Inc in LA California
				Rover Cars Ltd. (New York)
				Fredricks in Seattle

Is there any information that you are interested in that I can add to 
the database??  It is easier to add now than it will be in the future.

Cheers,

jc

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:40:36 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: lr trivia...

Dixon Kenner wrote:
>         Regarding the usual debate on how many LR's were sold in NA,
>         another number to add to the mix.  Between 1955 and 1960 the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>         (about a dozen survive)
>         Rgds,

Does this mean that they have succumbed to nature or what?  All 988 of 
them?  How very sad.

Cheers, jc

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:37:28 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Wheels

At 19:04 96-09-30 -0600, you wrote:

-I was sent some e-mail concerning a set of Range Rover Wheels in canada,
-but somehow I lost the information.  If it's no trouble, please send me the
-contact again, Please,
-Jose Gonzalez
-jtge@guate.net

Well, here it goes again:

Don't know if that helps you out, but there is a guy in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada, who sells anf fixes Jaguars. At one point, he bought out a Jag
dealer that was also selling Range Rovers. He had a bunch of wheels with
tires of 1990-1993 Range Rovers. Montreal customers wanted some kind of
fancy mag wheels so the dealer kept the original ones. His phone number is
514-444-2900 and he was selling them fairly cheap. Don't know the country
code, though. 

Hope it helps, 

>I live in Guatemala, so I would shipp the wheels to Miami, and then to
>Guatemala.

If from Montreal, it might be simpler to ship direct to Guatemala, on a boat.

Good luck!!

Salutations, 
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:23:21 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: sprung spring

jnk wrote:
> on inspection i noticed that the front left leaf spring had
> patially seperated. two of the leaves were fanned out. what made it worse
> was that i could move them back into place with my hand. when i got home
> and checked again, one of the leaves had worked its way forward and is
> about to come out.

Better have another look. The leaf must be broken. There is a center bolt 
that goes through all the leaves. I suppose the bolt could have 
disintegrated leaving all the leaves loose but that is not nearly as 
likely.

Cheers, Greg

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:51:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Difficult Announcement...

Dear all,

As you may know, over the past few months I created Overland Motors as an 
independent supplier of Land Rover parts and accessories.

It is with difficulty and a heavy heart that I announce that Overland Motors, 
Ltd. will be ceasing the majority of its operations immediately.  Educational 
opportunities (grad school) and family obligations have made it clear that I 
cannot effectively pursue the Land Rover parts business.  There are only 24 
hours in a day and I believe my efforts are best directed elsewhere.  
Additionally, Land Rovers started as a hobby for me and I want to keep it that 
way.

I am truly sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused.

All pending, paid orders will be filled expeditiously.  In addition, I have a 
small stock of parts, accessories and books that I will be bringing to Rover 
events to sell.  If there is something in particular that you want or need, 
please e-mail me directly and I'll get back to you as time permits.

I have truly enjoyed my eventful (if short-lived) foray into the commercial side 
of Land Rovers,  I sincerely thank all of you for your support and 
encouragement.  I look forward to seeing you all soon!

Regards,
Eric Zipkin
President
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:51:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances

Property rights?  What's that?

Eric

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:01:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: lr trivia...

On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, John P. Casteel wrote:

> Does this mean that they have succumbed to nature or what?  All 988 of 
> them?  How very sad.

	Nature, broken up.  Climate there is brutal, the roads a mess,
	lots of salt, road along the Atlantic and Gulf, an economy that
	has been in the dumps for 30+ years...

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:47:59 -0700
From: Jon Nyhus <bmc@syspac.com>
Subject: Re: Jon's Range Rover Wheels

At 08:13 PM 9/29/96 -0600, you wrote:
>I would like to know the price of the 4 wheels, and the form of payment. 
>I'll also need to know if you can shipp that to Miami. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Jose Gonzalez
>jtge@guate.net

I'll have a look at them tomorrow and see just what shape they are in.  
Shipping them is not a problem.
Regards,  Jon

--------------------------------------------------------------
British Motor Classics, Ltd.,  
8828 N. Black Canyon Hwy #1
Phoenix,  AZ  85051  USA
602.995.2028     FAX 602.995.1909     
E-Mail  bmc@syspac.com  

British auto restoration for all marques,
Car sales & locating service, Spares sales

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:49:34 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances

 As a future lawyer, and Eric Zipkin could also answer you, and with the
help of my fiancee working for the city hall doing bylaws and going to court
on behalf of the municipality, there must be a way to get yourself out of this:

1) Go to the city hall and get a copy of the bylaw that says that a) you
can't have trash lying in your backyard and b) you can't weld, work in your
own garage.

2) It is possible that the cop is wrong. After all, he didn't write the
by-law and might be confused by ingesting too many donuts.

3) From your post, I understand that you live in a residential zone.
Therefore, you can't have any commercial activities, except exceptions. It
is possible that the cop thought that you were running a business, which, if
it was the case, would probably be illegal in your residential zone.

4) For the "rubbish" in your driveway: It is possible that there is not much
that you can do. Most cities have severe bylaws for regulating nuisance. In
the Nuisance by-law, there must be a definition of a nuisance, what does it
consist of. Usually, a car that is 10 years old or older and is
unplated/registered is considered a nuisance. Th municipality can order you
to remove it. They should give you some time to do so, though. Try to find a
solution with them (not the cop, but somebody at cityhall with some kind of
authority) to solve the problem. They are not interested to go to court on
this issue. You are a taxpayer and you will vote on the next election. If
one of your neighbours complained (must be a jealous J**p owner), it could
be more difficult. You just need a few weeks, right? 

5)Instead of paying some storage for your parts and going through the pain
of moving the parts around, it might be a cheaper solution to get the
ticket, tell them that you will go to court on the issue, and, as soon as
you got the parts cleaned up, pay the fine and you don't have to go to
court. Might be cheaper to pay the 50$ fine than to move the stuff around.

6) For the welding/working on your Rover at your home, again, you have to
consult the by-law. What does it say? If it does prohibit working on your
own vehicle, I think that the by-law is illegal. Working on your own vehicle
is an "accessory usage" to owning a property in the Common-law. Actually,
that concept is from the San Francisco area, they should understand. It
would be different if you were running a business. You are supposed to have
the right to work on your vehicle. 

7) If it doesn't work, tell them that you are not working on your Rover, but
washing it extensively. Washing your car is apermitted, I'm sure about that.

8) If it doesn't work either, tell them that the dead frame is sculpture,
just a form of art.

9) Last thing to do is to consult a lawyer.

10) I do not take any responsability in all of the comments/advice that I
wrote in the last 9 paragraphs, as I am not a lawyer (yet) in the province
of Quebec, and have no right to practice in California either. I am just
giving some pointers, hoping that it helps a fellow Land Rover enthusiast.

Hope it helps, 

Michel, (having also a land Rover in pieces in the driveway)

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:47:12 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances

At 04:50 PM 9/30/96 -0700, Paul wrote:

>        I have been planning a frame-replacement on my 88" for a couple of
>months now. The last month or so I have been stripping all the parts bolted
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>do a frame swap in residential Fremont. I can't do welding, I can't do any
>sort of painting, I can't co any bodywork  etc. etc.
<<SNIP>>
I feel your pain.  I'm a HAM radio operator and have problems in my
development with antenna restrictions.
In your case I think maybe the press (paper or tv) might like to know as
well as any attorney friends you might have.  I can understand not having a
car on block for months at a time, but get real.

 
Mike Johnson  N7WBO

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezabel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:07:40 -0500
From: brazelle <brazelle@iquest.com>
Subject: original upholstery ?

I have run across a gentleman who does upholstery work in his spare time 
as a hobby.  He saw my rover and offered to re upholster it for a very 
good price.  I thought: What the heck, why not! My rover is a 1966 109 
IIa sw green in color.  Do I need to keep all colors and material 
original to maximize the resale value or does it matter?  Does anyone 
know the original color of the seats, headliner, trim pieces, doors, 
etc.?  RN catalog lists the headliner material as oatmeal ( is this a 
shade of tan or gray ?)  It looks as if my seats were gray at one time 
and have been painted black.  My door trim are presently black , 
headliner painted tan, trim pieces around the top are in a pile in my 
garage bare metal without a clue of the color of material once on them 
before I purchased the rover? Do they need to match the color of my 
seats?  I am new to the digest so forgive me if I am bringing up a 
matter which has been dicussed prior to this time.  Thank you in advance 
for any guidance you could give.
ROVER ON!!!!!
Bryan Brazelle 
brazelle@iquest.com
Madison, AL.
'66 109IIa sw

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:30:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances

On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> wrote:

> As a future lawyer, and Eric Zipkin could also answer you, and with the
>help of my fiancee working for the city hall doing bylaws and going to court
>on behalf of the municipality, there must be a way to get yourself out of this:

Well, it seems I have been put to task...

>2) It is possible that the cop is wrong. After all, he didn't write the
>by-law and might be confused by ingesting too many donuts.

Absolutely true...the police have the most discretion of any party in the entire 
justice system.  If they understand a law to be applicable a certian way, they 
will enforce it as such.  It is then up to you to address the issue in court.

My recommendation would be to address the issue more fully with the police 
first.  If indeed the ordinance does bar what you're doing, then proceed 
outherwise.  If however, it is being inaccurately applied, a little polite 
information will go a long way.  Also, find out who originated the complaint.  
The cops have an enormous amount of discretion in what they chose to enforce 
(witness speeding) and they probably wouldn't zealously enforce in your 
situation if not for a private party creating a stir.  Perhaps addressing the 
situation with them directly might rectify matters.

You just need a few weeks, right? 
>5)Instead of paying some storage for your parts and going through the pain
>of moving the parts around, it might be a cheaper solution to get the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>you got the parts cleaned up, pay the fine and you don't have to go to
>court. Might be cheaper to pay the 50$ fine than to move the stuff around.

Quite pragmatic, although there's nothing to stop the cops from issuing the same 
ticket over and over again.  If you believe they won't, then this will be your 
cheapest option.
>6) For the welding/working on your Rover at your home, again, you have to
>consult the by-law. What does it say? If it does prohibit working on your
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>would be different if you were running a business. You are supposed to have
>the right to work on your vehicle.

That right, however, must be balanced by the community's right to live free of 
nuisance.  Look objectively at what you've got showing out there to the 
community...if a reasonable person (don't ask another Rover owner, they're not 
reasonable people by definition) would deem your yard as an overt nuisance, then 
the statute would probably stand.  If however, it just an overly anal neighbor 
who wants to cause you trouble, that's complaining about your chassis in the 
yard from time to time then you've probably got grounds.  Whether or not you 
want to challange the statute, however, depends on how much time and money 
you're willing to spend.

>7) If it doesn't work, tell them that you are not working on your Rover, but
>washing it extensively. Washing your car is apermitted, I'm sure about that.

Stretching....

>8) If it doesn't work either, tell them that the dead frame is sculpture,
>just a form of art.

That's it, just turn it into a first amendment issue...the ACLU might just pick 
up your legal bills ;)

>9) Last thing to do is to consult a lawyer.

Good God, man....whatever for?  Seriously, a legal assault will be costly and 
might not yield anything...if you feel genuinely wronged, however, it might be 
worth a consult.
>10) I do not take any responsability in all of the comments/advice that I
>wrote in the last 9 paragraphs, as I am not a lawyer (yet) in the province
>of Quebec, and have no right to practice in California either. I am just
>giving some pointers, hoping that it helps a fellow Land Rover enthusiast.

Ditto on the disclaimers...I'm no lawyer either.  My experience derives more 
from being involved in a fair amount of litigation and knowing what it can cost.

Rgds,
Eric

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:33:54 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Tr3

At  4:51 PM 9/30/96 -0400, QROVER80@aol.com wrote:

>Dave Lee said
;
>SIII 109 Safari
>Another sidescreen TR owner (TR2) - Do landies and TRs naturally go together?
;
>Is this an unexplained phenomena? Should I call Agent Scully?
;
>I don't know about Sculley BUT I have a Tr3a. On the road and legal but still
>in brown primer.
>Rgds Quintin Aspin
;
As a TR3A and 109 pwner, I think the two marques complement each other
well.  You can have common spare parts AND no matter which car you're in
you know which way to open the windows assuming you have the side curtains
mounted on either.

As an asside, Playing about once I noticed that the LR 2-1/4L petrol head's
intake ports line up with the TR3 intake manifold and a couple of the
mounting oles ven line up.  I wonder how a 2-1/4 L petrol engine would
perform with a pair of 1-3/4 SUs?  Unfortunatly for those of us with left
hand drive, the sterring box is in the way.  Otherwise I would have tried
it.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:42:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Tr3

On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> As an asside, Playing about once I noticed that the LR 2-1/4L petrol head's
> intake ports line up with the TR3 intake manifold and a couple of the
> mounting oles ven line up.  I wonder how a 2-1/4 L petrol engine would
> perform with a pair of 1-3/4 SUs?  Unfortunatly for those of us with left
> hand drive, the sterring box is in the way.  Otherwise I would have tried

	Swan neck intake manifold, then ditch the dual SU's and put on
	a 45DCOE Weber... :-)  Well, I'll wait fo Wade to do that up
	here.  Should be amusing...  BTW, am told that this intake
	was advrtised in a recent LRO, but have not found the advert
	yet.

	Rgds,

	PS.  Why is it just the Mini owners that can get 16 valve, crossflow
	double overhead cam heads for the 1275cc engine... :-(  Would go
	great on my '68 S though... :-)

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:19:45 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Difficult Announcement...

  If there is something in particular that you want or need,
>please e-mail me directly and I'll get back to you as time permits.
>I have truly enjoyed my eventful (if short-lived) foray into the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>of Land Rovers,  I sincerely thank all of you for your support and
>encouragement.
        Eric,
                You've touched the dream that most of us just gaze at from
afar.  Sorry to hear you will be giving it up.  My wife, Lorri, and I have
considered a LR based company for some time.  Is there any way we could tap
into your knowledge and experience for our own business?  We both have a
great deal of experience and enthusiasm, having started the Flatland Rover
Society here in K.C. two years and having acted as Pres. and Sec./Treas for
the entire time.  I am in advertising/marketing and Lorri is an accountant.
How did you get started and how did you set up your wholesale accounts
with the English suppliers?
        Anyway, thats not really what I wrote for...
        Just wondering if you had any D90 stuff left for sale.  Off-Road
and recovery items, Steel wheels, workshop manuals, etc.  E-mail me a list
if you have one.  Again, sorry to see you leave before I even knew you were
around!  (this internet posting was the first I'd heard of your business)

you can lead a horse to water, but if the silly beast drinks till he bursts,
all you have to show for your good intentions is a dead horse.

Steve Paustian
2- 95 D90 SW's  (LandRover obsessed for over 25 yrs and loving it!)
President, Flatland Rover Society

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:43:24 +0100
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: Tr3

TeriAnne,
        I had a similar idea, but had not pursued the experiment yet. I
have a set of SU's from my old Magnette parts car(for the now-gone-MGA ) I
had wondered about trying them on the 2.25 engine when I actually build  a
torquer one to put in the 88". I thought about trying it on the 2-litre,
but remembered a trick dirt-bike mechanics use to get torque. Use a smaller
carb at a higher velocity (smaller venturi in small carb) gives them good
low end grunt, like the tiny solex/zenith/weber-single barrell on our
vehicles from the factory.  On the other hand this carb setup along with a
good header/muffler set up to match the intake, along with the 2.5 litre
cam, would probably make a good highway cruiser. If I could keep the great
low end torque and get the top end power, this would be a cool idea.
        I knew there was a good reason to get a rhd Rover :^)
Paul
>As an aside, Playing about once I noticed that the LR 2-1/4L petrol head's
>intake ports line up with the TR3 intake manifold and a couple of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>TeriAnn
>twakeman@scruznet.com

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....uh oh Lucas strikes again :^(
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:43:19 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re:  Hi-Lift Jack

>Incidentally, a Hi-Lift in the UK seems to cost about twice the prices quoted
>from the US.  Serves us right for having access to cheap Landie spares I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Thanks for the tyre info by the way - It's Trac Edge for me.
>Dave Lee
David,
         What do they cost in Scotland?  Maybe we could do some trading of
parts and accessories?  Might be worth looking into.  I could send you the
best of the Yankee stuff and you could send me Landie stuff...  Screw the
tax man... up the Rebels!

you can lead a horse to water, but if the silly beast drinks till he bursts,
all you have to show for your good intentions is a dead horse.

Steve Paustian
2- 95 D90 SW's  (LandRover obsessed for over 25 yrs and loving it!)
President, Flatland Rover Society

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:52:02 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: #%*&@~&# City ordinances

>My options are, as I see them:.........

>F.      any realistic suggestions from y'all
>        Thanks for any ideas.
>                Paul
        Paul,
                Look into a collectors license, or even pursueing a Museum
peice status.  Maybe claiming it as a peice of Art that you are restoring
would appeal to the politico snobs.

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:00:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: turbo on a 2.25 diesel

A while back, someone from Oz mentioned they had put a turbo on
a 2.25 deisel with interesting results.  I have lost that posting.
Are you still out there?  If so, I would love to get a repost of the 
technical details.

Speaking of turbos, wouldn't the 2.25 petrol stand turboing as it
is "seriously overbuilt?"

Regards
Clinton

P.S. In regards to the VW 25D? diesel, I thought someone earlier
had mentioned that it was used in the Pinzgauer.  The swedish
supplier in LROI also has kits for these motors.  Perhaps someone from
Norge or Sverige can comment?

Lykke til!

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:57:34 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: original upholstery ?

	Resale value?  Selling his Land Rover?  Burn him at the stake!!

	Actually, I've thought about this a bunch.  I've got several long-range
plans for my Rover, and many of them aren't 'original'.  One of the things
I like the most about Series Land Rovers is their simplicity, versatility,
and maleability.  If I were a poetic sort, I'd say something like "LR
Restoration is my medium--my Rover is my canvas", but I'm not, so I'll just
say that I used to build small-scale models, and now the scale has just
grown (my model is a IIA ;-).  

	I chose to get new, more comfortable seats, painted the inside a totally
different color from the outside, and put in a center console.  It's
certainly the case that stereos arent 'original'.  Neither are ARB lockers,
electric winches, coil springs, V8s (with, of course the Stage I
exception), most brands of heaters, roof racks, compressors, carpet,
inertia shoulder harnesses, two-barrel Weber carburetors, overdrives,
auxilliary lights, electronic ignitions, soundproofing kits, and many,
many, more things that make our Rovers more to our individual liking--or
maybe even better vehicles.  Hell--even the Doormobile conversions aren't
strictly 'original'.   The questions I always ask myself are:
	Is this going to be fun to do?
	Is the total enjoyment I get out of it going to be worth what it costs?
	Will it make the vehicle more reliable?
	Will I like the vehicle more by doing it?
	Will I enjoy the vehicle more after doing it?

	If enough of these are 'Yes', then I do it.  One day, I got a whim and
painted the roof with white rustoleum, and all the cappings and bumpers
with flat black rustoleum(which, BTW, is what I used on the inside,
too!)--it loooks great, and I have only gotten positive feedback.

	Another thing I learned from looking at LROI, is that it seems like in the
UK, LRs are mainly thought of in roughly the same way we here in the US
tend to think of old Broncos, Je*ps, and Scouts.  They're just old trucks
(lorries?). 

	WRT Resale value:  I've never known anyone who restored/remodeled an old
4x4 anything and had any hope of getting their money back.  All my FJ40
buddies have $20K-$30K invested in them, and they will never see that back.
 Frankly, I'll probably end up spending that on my IIA in the long run.  I
do it because it's fun, and I don't care if someone thinks it's not
'original'.  

Chris
'65 IIA
'96 Disco

At 10:07 PM 9/30/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I have run across a gentleman who does upholstery work in his spare time 
>as a hobby.  He saw my rover and offered to re upholster it for a very 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)]
>brazelle@iquest.com
>Madison, AL.
>'66 109IIa sw

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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:12:47 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: original upholstery ?

  Do I need to keep all colors and material
>original to maximize the resale value or does it matter?
It doesn't really if the vehicle isnt showroom new looking to begin with.
LR's aren't really collectables in the traditional automotive sense.
>know the original color of the seats, headliner, trim pieces, doors,
>etc.?
The seats were probably gray "elephant hide"(appropriate, no?) most of the
rest of the upholstered peices can be the same material.

>RN catalog lists the headliner material as

oatmeal is really a good description of the color.

>oatmeal ( is this a
>shade of tan or gray ?)  It looks as if my seats were gray at one time
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>before I purchased the rover? Do they need to match the color of my
>seats?

Please yourself in all things Rover, but please steer away from chrome and
candy apple paint.

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:04:11 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: original upholstery ?

Christopher H. Dow wrote:

>I
> do it because it's fun, and I don't care if someone thinks it's not
> 'original'.
> Chris

healthy attitude, IMHO

Greg

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:29:39 -0700
From: Jeremy J Bartlett <Bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: original upholstery ?

brazelle wrote:
> snip
>Does anyone
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> shade of tan or gray ?)  It looks as if my seats were gray at one time
> and have been painted black. 

Oatmeal is a light tan (sort of a tweed like look).

The door liners and seats would have been grey/gray "rhinohide" /"elephant"
hide vinyl, now no longer available (at least for those with mortal
incomes and knowledge).  Reasonably close matches can be found though.
Most of the later liners and seats are black vinyl.

Of course you could go for leather; that might increase the resale value :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 01:37:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: turbo on a 2.25 diesel

On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) wrote:

>P.S. In regards to the VW 25D? diesel, I thought someone earlier
>had mentioned that it was used in the Pinzgauer. 

That vehicle uses a flat 6 diesel of VW origin...I've got the exact specs around 
here somewhere if you want them 

Rgds,
Eric

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