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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:58:47 -0400
From: agscsmps@post.kosone.com (G.Stoneham)
Subject: North American Engine Conversions?

Thanks for the replies on my question about frame growth.
Although I get the feeling that this next subject could be sacreligious here
goes.
Suppose one was considering an engine transplant for the simple reason of
availability of parts while driving through a country other than England and
expecting not to be towed home because of the non availability of a "basic"
engine component.
Have any of you ever heard of successful transplant,say a 6 cylinder Ford or
Chevy?
What should I expect to pay for such an operation?
Who carries such a conversion kit?
And most importantly would I shunned at Rover meets?  ;)
Thanks,
Steve
PS This question stems basically from not knowing what kind of reliability
to expect
from my already converted from a Land Rover six to a 2.25 LR.
I don't expect to be going on any major safari's but I'd like to avoid
walking home!
I also realise that overpowering the drivetrain may be a concern.

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:19:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Frame enhancement

> On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 robot1@juno.com wrote:
> > Just spent some time helping a friend work on his Harley. He'd gone to
> > the trouble of sealing the frame carefully (welded) and used the frame as
> > the oil reservoir for the hog. Anyone ever tried this on a Landie?

and Dixon replied:

> 	Triumph did this on their motorcycles for a while.  Seen it done
> 	on one homemade frame here (more to have some oil splash around
> 	to prevent rust.

The previous owner of my 88 was a bit of a fanatic about oiling the frame 
and plugged all of the openings in it with wooden plugs.  He would spray it 
inside and out witha lot of oil occasionally and the plugs kept it in and water out.  The 
frame is still in great shape after 30 years of running around on heavily 
salted roads.  I have followed his lead for the 5 years I have owned it 
and don't see any reason it shouldn't last a lot longer.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:31:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Disco Purchase...

Good Morning, all...

just a quick question or two:
I friend of mine has got the bug for a need mode of transport and they are
looking at a brand new discovery or a volvo wagon.  (I'm kinda in the
middle here. I've owned a volvo wagon but not a discovery.)  The
resounding concern they had was reliability.  Since the wife will be
driving it, the chance that it will be taken off-road is NONE...(damn) so
a general discussion of the discovery's offroad prowess will get me no
where.

Are there any owners out there that would care to share their stories,
good or bad, about owning a disco over the past 3 or 4 years??  Have there
been any chronic health problems?

Thnx in advance!
Steve

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	Steve Swiger
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:52:13 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: maiden voyage

>For the first time in my life i had the"pleasure" of driving a landrover, a
>III/109/ST. If they all behave like this there must 100.000's of madmen.
>The thing was swerving form one side of the road to the other. The owner
>told this was quite normal.
>Don't believe this or is it??
        Don't believe it!  I had a '61 109 SW (I miss her still) and she
tracked straight as an arrow, one hand on the wheel, at 65 on the highway.
I would suspect steering relay needed oil or perhaps rebuilding.  If he was
trying to sell you this Rover, suspect (inspect) everything that holds
fluid, as it may have been allowed to run dry from abuse or non-use.  The
best part is,  even in tough mechanical shape, it can still be a good buy,
if you go into the deal with your eyes open.  Good luck.
        Steve

you can lead a horse to water, but if the silly beast drinks till he bursts,
all you have to show for your good intentions is a dead horse.

Steve Paustian
2- 95 D90 SW's  (LandRover obsessed for over 25 yrs and loving it!)
President, Flatland Rover Society

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 14:12:48 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Hi Lift Jack

I git mine from 4 wheel parts and accessories for $45.00 with top clamp. It's 
a "HI-LIFT". You should know by now the RN charge a premium on parts. 

I also got a Warn winch accessory winch kit, $129.00... RN price was $198.00

Need I say more. 

Mark

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From: 	Gregspitz@aol.com
Sent: 	Saturday, September 28, 1996 7:14 PM
Subject: 	Hi Lift Jack

I recently ordered and received a "Hi-Lift" Jack from Rovers North and the
first time I was familiarizing myself with it the base which seems relatively
flimsy cracked.  To ad insult to injury I went to the local "Farm and Fleet"
store today and say the official "Hi-Lift Jack-Deluxe" for only $40...the
Rover North Version was $84 before shipping.
The official Hi-Lift was much sturdier and built so much better....Anybody
else have similar complaints.  
I have no connection to Farm and Fleet
Greg

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:42:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Hi Lift Jack

thanks....for rubbing it in..I did notice the clamp comes with it...just
kidding
This will never happen again...I may go out and buy the better one and return
the Rovers North one I still will be ahead!!

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From: Shawn A Saulnier <shawns@audio-online.com>
Subject: Re: Want to Buy, But Need Information on 1990 to 1993 Range
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:59:05 +0100

I have a 90' Range Rover County.  I have put 195,000 kms (125,000 miles ish)
so far.  The engine is bulletproof although I have heard that there are
problems with the cams for some.  I have spent about $10,000 in the past
couple years canadian which equils about $6500 u.s. to keep it going.  I
have replaced the o2 sensors, polution exhaust, brakes, shocks and rear
gate.  You get what you pay for.  I have a farm and use the truck regularly
off road as well as the obvious hyway driving. I think my truck will go for
another 100000 km (66,000 mi) without serious trouble. The truck rides firm
and smothly with new shocks.  I would recommend you give consideration to
the tires...possibly the discovery tires will serve better than the old RR
standards.

Good luck!

Shawn :)

At 12:59 AM 9/29/96 -0400, Don Scott Wallace wrote:
>Second Request 

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 39 lines)]
>from a local parts house?
>Your help will be greatly appreciated.
>:-)

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:27:08 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: maiden voyage

At  9:20 AM 9/29/96 +0100, Jan Wagemaker wrote:
>For the first time in my life i had the"pleasure" of driving a landrover, a
>III/109/ST. If they all behave like this there must 100.000's of madmen.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>told this was quite normal.
>Don't believe this or is it??

Land Rovers should track straight on flat level pavement like any other
car.  The steering on a series cr iws a little heavy and 109s take a couple
of city blocks to turn in, but they go where you point them.  The car you
drove had steering problems.

Could be bad tyres, lose steering, out of alignment, really bad swivel
pins, or any number of other problems.

My 109 once decided to make hard charges to the side at random intervals
for the slightest of pavement unevenness.  When I checked, it tyrned out
that I had broken one of the front stub axles where the axle meets the hub.
The only thing keeping the front wheel on was the front drive shaft 'U'
joint knuckle being too big to go out the hole.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:56:59 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: North American Engine Conversions?

At  8:58 AM 9/29/96 -0400, G.Stoneham wrote:
>.
>Suppose one was considering an engine transplant for the simple reason of
>availability of parts while driving through a country other than England and
;expecting not to be towed home because of the non availability of a "basic"
>engine component.
>Have any of you ever heard of successful transplant,say a 6 cylinder Ford or
>Chevy?
;
Scotty's makes a conversion kit for the chevy 6 cylender,a nd the iron
chevy four.  The four cylinder is perty much a bolt in & will give you more
HP, better petrol milage, & a lighter engine.  510-686-2255.  The Ford V6
is a common swap in the UK,  I have seen several conversions on my last
trip there.  The engine fits with lots of room to spare.  You would have to
look fhrough LRO for conversion kits
;
>What should I expect to pay for such an operation?

Price of engine, conversion kit and any modifications needed to body &
frmae.  If your car came from the factory with the LR 6, the conversion to
Chevy 6 is almost drop in.  Otherwise radiator needs to be moved forward, &
firewall modified.  The Chevy 4 is almost always a drop in but sometines
some slight modification to the firewall is needed.  The ford?

>Who carries such a conversion kit?

Scotty's 510-686-2255 for Chevy, ? for Ford v6
>And most importantly would I shunned at Rover meets?  ;)

Yes, but not as badly as was 5 or 10 years ago.  Best not to talk about it
& leave bonnet down.

>Thanks,
>Steve
>PS This question stems basically from not knowing what kind of reliability
>to expect
>from my already converted from a Land Rover six to a 2.25 LR.

If your car came from the factory with a LR 6 cyl, you should be able to
take a Chevy 6 without modifications to frame. firewall or radiator.  Ask
Scotty.

>I don't expect to be going on any major safari's but I'd like to avoid
>walking home!

The 2-1/4 L is a very reliable powerplant if in good condition and properly
cared for.  They were originally designed to be a disel and is very rugged.
Any engine taken out on a trip in bad shape can leave you stranded and the
Land Rover 4 cyl is more likely to bring you home than most.  Just more
slowly.

If it would make you feel better, carry a new water pump, a spare set of
special water hoses, spare fuel filter, complete set of tuneup parts and
you'll cover most anything that can go wrong.

Best advice I could give you is check all fluids before leaving, and any
that tend to leak daily while on a trip.  And Don't go out if any of the
drive train and steering is not in good to excellent condition.

>I also realise that overpowering the drivetrain may be a concern.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:28:13 -0400
From: Steve MARGOLIS <sim1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Safety in Aluminum Cans

This will be my last correspondence for awhile.  Yesterday afternoon I had
mentioned a moose/Land Rover confrontation.  I'm off to Memphis to work on
a contract for a few months, and while cleaning out an attache case that I
haven't used in five years, I found an Autumn, 1991 copy of the Rovers
North Newsletter. On page three is a picture of Peter Vallerand's Rover
after the incident.  The caption under the picture said Peter "straightened
the radiator and drove home.  The Game Warden couldn't believe it was
possible."

By the way, this issue also has pictures of Land Rovers of people familiar
to us on the list:  Steve Denis' NOTAJEEP, Dale Desprey in the mud, and
TeriAnn's 109 hardtop with a couple of goats in it.

I hope to be back on line soon.

Steve Margolis - Ithaca, NY
1957 107 Station Wagon, Series I, Still in kit form in Maine (Damn!)
        serial number 13470093 engine number 114707468

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Date: 29 Sep 96 13:47:00 EDT
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Ralley-Departure

Just checking to see if anyone else in the Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin (Midwest
Area) is motoring to the Mid-Atlantic Rally this coming week. We are departing
Thursday, Oct. 3, hopefully about 6 am from Hinsdale, Ilinois, heading towards
Indianapolis,  Cincinnati, etc in the '67 109 IIA. e-mail, or call
630-986-1018(H), 630-852-6898 (W) if you need highway company or just wish to
circle the wagons up at night and tell stories. If not, see you there-------.

Bill Kowalski
'67 L-R 109" IIA
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R"
(The last two are staying home this time)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:15:03 -0400
Subject: LRs on TV in US

Hello all,
I was just lazing around the house (yeah, instead of being under the rover)
today, with the tv on. On the Discovery Channel, they are showing "The Making
of The Leopard Son" with various LR products being used in the filming. I
guess it didn't come as a surprise to see the film was supported by Solihull.
Lots of Disco ads through the program(me).

While it briefly had my attention, I saw two door 110 Tdi's, 110 SW's, and
what looked like a 110/130 Box-van. Also saw a motor apart on a bench. I
guess that comes with using a LR far from a dealership...

pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:15:23 -0400
Subject: Mid-atlantic & Triple C

Hello all,

I saw Sandy Grice's posting about the Mid-Atlantic Rally in VA next week and
won't be able to make it :( due to usual rover-owner reasons (need I say
more...). 

In the posting, I saw:

"Triple-C and other vendors will be there with lots of Waxoyl."

Since I will not be there, can some kind soul please help me obtain info on
"Triple-C" and how to get "lots of Waxoyl." (enough for 2 110s) I would much
appreciate it. I'm planning to do my pre-winter undercoat/oiling and would
like to start using the oft-mentioned Waxoyl. 

Thanks in advance,

pat.

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: diesel swaps

In the back pages of LROI there is someone from Sweden offering
to sell conversion kits for MB 300 diesels.  If you were to go
the jetta route, consider instead the 5cyl version that runs in
the audi fox and Volvo, I believe these are also not transversely
mounted.

Also, someone from the list was talking about an 88 with a MB
swap inGermany (Franz P?) and also an adaptor kit.  I am not at
my usual computer so I do not have names or addresses.

Why not go whole hog and put in a cummins or Gm unit?  Or 
wiat until next year and nab one of the new cat units?

Clinton

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: thanks for info

Thanks all for the various bits of SI info sent to me.  I hope to
be the proud ownedr of a random pile of bits by the year 2000
(if ICBC gets off its duff!).

Speaking of SIs.  I was walking my dog a few days ago in the
neighbourhood and came across 2.5 Sis in a bakc yard.  The guy
actually is parting out one of them to fix the other, a 1949
in pretty OK shpe.  Also, found one yesterday in Quesnel. a
86-88 with no motor, but sound panels, gearbox and a very
new-old chassis.

Clinton "when it rains it pours" Coates

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:08:06 -0400
Subject: Re: diesel swaps

The VW diesel the Volvo used here in US, the D24 and D24t, is a six cyl. I
wouldn't recommend it for a LR cause there is no way to effectively seal the
timing belt compartment. One of my 2wds is a 7series Volvo. I built the
engine, and it does ok, but I wouldn't trust one off the road. My vote goes
to Peugeot or Nissan. 
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD engine rebuild under way!
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:17:24 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Galvanized Frames and Waxoyl

Hi all,

What is the group consensus on use of Waxoyl on galvanized
frames.  Does it significantly add to the frame life or is
the galvanizing enough to not worry about added water resistance?

Thanks for the info

Nate Dunsmore
68 SIIa The blue brick (http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm)

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 21:56:28 -0700
From: Heather Dixon <hldixon@top.monad.net>
Subject: Green Laning on the 28th

To all;

Just want to thank Dave Sticht for the wonderful time all 12 of us had 
Sat. in the wonderful lakes region of New Hampshire. He did a great job.

The trails were great and the view we had for our lunch stop was 
outstanding. A gorgeous site overlooking Lake Winnipesaukee. 
Unfortunately Dave couldn't control the weather as it was overcast with 
threatening rain but what we could see was worth the trip. After lunch he 
took us even higher, up to Mt. Shaw. When we reached the summit  all our 
Rovers felt at home, it was foggy! According to Dave you can see Mt. 
Washington and the Presidential Range but we have to take his word for 
it.

For those of you who were near enough to make the trip, you missed a 
fantastic time. Hopefully this will turn into a yearly event for Dave.

Heather

1970 Series IIa 88 (Ellie)
1965 Series IIa 88 hybred (Betsy)
1972 Series III  88  the parts car
Keene, NH

September 29, 1996
9:56 pm

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From: "Gonzalez del Cid." <jtge@guate.net>
Subject: Jon's Range Rover Wheels
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:13:42 -0600

I would like to know the price of the 4 wheels, and the form of payment. 
I'll also need to know if you can shipp that to Miami. 
Thanks,
Jose Gonzalez
jtge@guate.net

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:11:43 -0700
From: Michael McKeag <mmckeag@teleport.com>
Subject: stowing and using a Hi-Lift on a D90

All this talk about Hi-Lift jacks stirred me to pick one up at the local
home-farm-ranch-lumber-hardware-you-name-it store (US$ 46). My D90 and I
are both inexperienced at gonzo off-road, but we're getting out kit
together a bit at a time.

Someone asked about stowing a Hi-Lift in a D90. I saw a very ship-shape
installation in a D90 at the All British Field Meet in Portland a few
weeks ago. The jack was secured to the roll bar braces behind the seats
at about the height of the rear wheel wells. Unfortunately, this
arrangement won't work in a D90SW, the jump seats get in the way. Yeah,
I can hear you thinking: "Remove the silly jump seats."

I fiddled around with the jack after I got home. Looks like it will fit
nicely, clamped to the side of the right wheel well with the top of the
jack forward, passing just under the roll bar braces, putting the base
plate just forward of the rear door, with the jack nose aimed down. In
this configuration, the climbing mechanism faces away from the wheel
well, allowing the jack to be clamped close against the well. It turns
out that the distance from the tip of the jack nose to the rear of the
handle socket matches the height of the wheel well. With the jack
clamped to the right wheel well in this fashion, the right rear jump
seat can still be lowered and braced normally. Everything fits in three
dimensions with not a hair to spare. Pretty clever of those folks at
Solihull, don't you think? Almost as clever as matching the height of
the D90SW with stock roll bar-mounted roof rack, topped by Yakima
basket, to the clearance of a standard 7-foot garage door, providing
that your driveway breaks away just outside the door and slopes down at
an angle of at least 6 degrees (like mine). Pretty clever.

Now, how to secure the jack so it doesn't become a lethal projectile
during a sudden stop? The D90 at the ABFM used what looked like
custom-made clamps. Turns out Hi-Lift makes what they call the "Loc-Rac"
mount. I suspect the owner of the D90 at ABFM adapted the Loc-Rac to
mount on his (or her) roll bar braces. Mounting the Loc-Rac to the side
of the wheel well should be even more straight-forward.

While I'm at it, I should get a piece of heavy gauge steel equal in
width to the height of the wheel well, to secure behind the jack,
against the wheel well, for use as a Hi-Lift "big foot" when jacking on
soft ground. Otherwise, I may need another appliance from Hi-Lift Jack
Company, the Post-Popper, to extract the jack from the mud.

So much for the Hi-Lift as a truck decoration, how to use it? The jack
nose fits securely under the square profile of the front bumper, but
what about jacking the rear? There's nothing but round tubing back
there, and the tow points on either side of the fuel tank. I can imagine
lots of possible arrangements with slings and hooks, etc., but I'd be
interested to hear what actually works the field.

Mike
-- 
Michael McKeag          Webmaster - Native Plant Society of Oregon
Portland, OR USA        http://www.teleport.com/nonprofit/npso/  
mmckeag@teleport.com    LRO - 1995 D90SW #143, alpine white (when clean)

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:28:28 -0500
Subject: Tappets

You guys with clubs and organizations got it made. I would just love
to have someone experienced and enthusiastic about series beasts 
nearby. I have had my LR for two years, and I am learning what is 
correct slowly and only by learning what is wrong (and usually by
replacing the part in the process).

Example: Today I adjusted my tappets for the first time. Yes, yes, I
know, two years is a long time for not adjusting tappets. But, you
must remember, my prior mechanical experience with internal combustion
engines consists of taking a lawn mower engine apart some 14 years 
ago in high school shop (and it never did run right), and I was a bit
preoccupied with replacing the frame. 

Oh. My. GOD! What a difference! I cannot believe this is that same 
motor. I thought that loose can of metal marbles was typical british
noises. Actually, thats a lie; I did think the tappets were loose, 
and that why I was doing this... But I had no idea how much smoooother
and, -dare I say it- *quieter* this runs when properly adjusted. God,
and the PO just *cranked* the locknuts down, I think I whacked my
knuckles on every one. And the tappets were *all* off, too loose, some 
more than -gulp- .030 . Sheesh. I was positively giddy when I heard it 
run.

Lets see, too loose would mean valves opening late. Intake valve would
open while already on the way down, meaning I might not get the full 
volumn of fuel-air mix, plus at the beginning on the intake stroke 
I would pulling against a closed valve creating a vacuum in the cylinder.

At the same time, I would have compression in the exhaust cylinder until
the valve opened. Both of those together would add to a signifigant
performance decrease, since the engine would be working against itself.

Gee. No wonder my milage was still in the toilet (even for a LR). I 
must have bought the worst tuned LR in NY. Maybe even the east coast.
I am learning, though. Fortunatly, this seems a pretty forgiving power
plant and still very strong, so I have something to work with.

If someone who knew Rovers would have heard it, they would have emplored
me to adjust them. As it were, I had no clue how bad they were. We need
to get some .snd files out on the web :-)

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:44:31 GMT
Subject:       Re: Series 1 springs

Yes SII & SIII springs will fit the 88 SI, BUT the ratings are 
different, due to the higher weight of the later machines.
My SI rides 2" higher at the front with SIII springs than it should, 
even though its a diesel, just going to have to fit SIII to the rear 
I suppose.

Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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