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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:44:05 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: 109 frame

The sticking down bit sounds like the mount for the steering damper.
The other end should be on your steering arm, but if the arm has
been changed who knows.

I would recommend fitting a steering damper to every Land Rover.
The improvement in mine on & off road was great.  Best 12 pounds I
ever spent.

Have fun, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:25:14 +0000
Subject: Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") 

\in my 88IIa.:
\backing into a parking spot in boston.  small pontiac rear 
\ended me at 50+mph.  
\
\pontiac:
\ totalled. 
\
\Landy:
\ rear crossmember suffered 
\ a scratch to its fresh paint.  
\ ripped mudflap.

As I've posted before, I saw the remains of an accident where a local 
farmer had done what local farmers do and pulled out of a sideroad in 
front of a Volvo Battletank doing about 60mph. The Volvo was 
identifiable from teh turret backwards, the front looking as if it 
had been thru a crusher and extending about 1 foot in front of the 
windscreen (hole....). The 110, which was t-boned amidships was badly 
dented. Looked like several hours work in the barn with a lump 
hammer..........

This made me very happy, since one of the main reasons for buying teh 
lorry was the local drivers........

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:34:10 GMT
Subject:       Re: Roll bars

If you want to see a serious roll bar, and you're in the UK, go and 
have a look at the beast in Brooklyn engineerings yard, two almost 
full circle hoops 2 inches plus dia. plus a seriously armored 
underside.
Apparantly its supposed to be self righting, ie rolls back onto its 
wheels, if a land mine goes off under it.

On a slightly different track, a head on impact test several years 
ago on several 4x4's showed that the transfer of forces to the body 
was sufficent to kill, due to a torn aorta mainly, because of the 
lack of crumple zones. One Jap 4x4 was even worse as the steering 
coloum came back and speared the drivers chest as well !

Do only EMT's see these reports ?

Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:49:40 -0400
From: source@trinidad.net (Peter Quentrall-Thomas)
Subject: Re: Series gaiter kit

Many moons ago
>Allan Smith "Then there were two", Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
>Vieux Fort, St. Lucia, West Indies.

 wrote :-
>The long-awaited replacement for the gaiter kit that didn't fit the D90 has
>arrived. It doesn't fit either. I think this one is for a SII or III - can
>anyone confirm? The kit no. is 276954.

Allan.... I have a '67 IIA. The parts list doesn't show any gaiter but when
I look at the state of the hubs (they do go under water and get buried in
mud every weekend) I realise gaiters would be a great idea.

Can anyone out there give me part # to fit the IIA? and a price?

Allan :- do you ever come down to Trinidad? Our off road convey reached 10
vehicles last weekend. Every make known to man.... and it was the two
Landrovers that had to do all the recovery work!!

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 27 Sep 96  8:47:14 EDT
Subject: "You wouldn't believe it - all the way from America...!"

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:49:57 -0400
From: source@trinidad.net (Peter Quentrall-Thomas)
Subject: Re: Wading and Winching

TeriAnn and Sandy Grice gave me some excellent advice about wading and I
can finally report that I am ready to try again.

The breathers from the front and rear axles have been fitted with some real
heavy duty 1/2" PVC pipe taken up, after a little slack for axle movement,
to the bonnet (hood?) level. An oil leak from the front of the rear
differential suddenly stopped immediately afterwards.

I removed the top of the gearbox and drilled a connector hole between the
square tower and the selector area as I found two small breather holes. I
blocked these with two self threaded screws and sealant. Then I drilled a
3/8" hole through the front facing vertical side and fitted a drilled out
bolt and more substantial PVC hose leading it up to the bonnet level.

A Kenlowe fan has been fitted in front of the radiator and the mechanical
fan removed. Wiring is via the fuse block that is activated by the ignition
switch and then through a seperate fuse block. I have also fitted a switch
on the dash so that I can 'kill' the fan as I hit water. I was supprised
that the electrical fan drew 15amps !! Of course I had to find out the hard
way by blowing about four fuses until I found the right value.

All that is left now is the actual electrics and hopefully with the fan out
of the way I can study where exactly the problem is occuring without
wearing an aqualung. So this weekend I hope I can find a suitable river to
experiment in. It is our rainey or monsoon season and we have to be careful
in the rivers as we have tropical flash floods and a river can rise 4 feet
in 20 minutes.

I shall be in the UK next week and I hope to buy a Luminition electronic
system as I could also do with the extra spark. The tropics plays havoc
with contacts points.

Incidentally TeriAnn we have an eclipse of the moon tonight as I type this
but I don' know about a solar eclipse in Feb 1988. Do you plan to come and
observe it?

Steve Rochna... I haven't forgotten the good ifo you went to so much
trouble to get. Trying to crack this water problem first. I will tackle
locking diffs next. I hope to be in Miami in November so I want to arrange
for the parts to be ready to collect to bring back in my luggage.  (You
have the Mafia...we have the customs!!)

Sorry this is long and late... I'll let you know how it goes.

Peter is the Wolf
1967 IIA "Hercules"

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:09:14 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: coldBudtack

Can an air conditioning system be modified to provide refridgeration
for....say...beer?
I'm taking mental notes on a cooler arrangement for our dormobile (The
dormobile doesn't have AC but another project (non LR) in my garage does)

on Bud and tackiness:
My experience to date with properly dispensed "Bud" has been that there is
pleasently little tack....'course if it spread to a thin film it will tack
with proper lack of surface preparation. The best tack I've encountered
pulled a shoe off my foot while crossing the basement floor af a fraternity
house....A close second would be insect glueboards or perhaps scale on a
houseplant......As far as the "proper" hour......It's Noon somewhere...
Rob M Concord, MA USA

Rob MacCormick
Associate Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety Department
Harvard University
46 Oxford Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
(617)-495-3055 (office - voicemail)
(617)-495-0593 (fax machine)
(617)-746-0145 (pager, input your phone #)
rob_maccormick@harvard.edu (email)
1576245@pager.mcb.com (SHORT (<80 characters) emails to pager)

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From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Springs
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 10:00:08 EST

While we're on the subject of springs, is there a difference between S1 
86" springs and 88" springs?  Can I pop on a new set of 88 springs in my 
55 or do I have to get ones specially, ie from Craddocks?

Also, apart from putting them in a previously booked container from 
England, has anyone shipped them over (to Canada) separately? and if so, 
>from where, how and howmuch?

TTFN, Ian

---
 This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:05:05 -0400
From: Jeff Berry <jaberry@i2020.net>
Subject: Series Fuel filler tube

I am looking for a Series III filler tube for the filler assembly to the
fuel tank. I have a 3 prong cap, extension tube for filler, and hose but
not the filler tube that goes in the middle. I have tried RN, AB,
Overland, and Britpac: no longer available... Any ideas? Junk yards?

Jeff Berry
94 D90 (hmmm... wonder what he is doing)

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:14:54 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: wheel width

At  7:10 PM 9/26/96 -0400, Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:

>TeriAnn suggests:
>>The steel wheel that comes as a spare on US spec discoverys are 7 inches
;>wide,
>>fit a series car nicely, look good, and are inset enough to allow
>>265/75/16s fit within your wheel wells wall away from the wings.
;I remember reading in LRO mag the potential pitfalls of using RR/Disco alloy
>wheels on series LRs. Had to do with differences in hub diameters and the
;mechanism for centering the wheels. Don't remember the details, and don't
>know if it applies to these steel wheels.
;
>Also, using wheels with substantially increased offset will increase kickback
;and steering wheel pull when braking on split traction surfaces. Fortunately
>the full floating axles used on LRs should be less sensitive to the outward
>shift in wheel load on the axles than semi-floating axles.
;
>David Cockey

The change in offset was fairly small (I didn't even need to adjust the
turn stops),  I have felt no additional kickback off road, and with the
265/75/16 mud terrains I have felt nothing but improvment.  I believe there
are a few others on the mai list using thee rims as well.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:42:06 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Wading, Winching, and Amps

Peter writes:
(snip)
>A Kenlowe fan has been fitted in front of the radiator and the mechanical
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>that the electrical fan drew 15amps !! Of course I had to find out the hard
>way by blowing about four fuses until I found the right value.
Greetings Peter: 
I hope the fan is running through a relay and not overloading the ignition 
switch. 15 amps is a lot to add to a (shhhh, don't awaken the spirits) Lucas 
ignition switch. You may risk loosing the fan and ignition. OTOH, as long as 
you keep using the same electrons over and over again, perhaps it will be OK?

'64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoody)
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 10:26:24 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Re: Series Fuel filler tube

     Jeff Berry wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> rfs
> rscholl@lib.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:42:02 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: Taylor? Taylor? ANYONE?

Another newbie question:

If no designation as to steering wheel location is given, how does one
determine which side the passenger side is? Rob M Concord, MA USA

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:48:45 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Wading and Winching

At  8:49 AM 9/27/96 -0400, Peter Quentrall-Thomas wrote:

>Incidentally TeriAnn we have an eclipse of the moon tonight as I type this
>but I don' know about a solar eclipse in Feb 1988. Do you plan to come and
>observe it?
;
Peter, We had a lunar eclipse last night too, a full eclipse.  At least
thats what the papers said.  We also have had a solid layer of overcast for
the last few days.

The soler eclipse will be full over some of the islands, I don't remember
which.  I think it was a day or two after my birthday in Feb 1998.  I would
like to go see it.  Finances may be a problem.  I have a sabatical coming
up in 1997 and plan to spend every bit of money I have living in my 109 and
taking pictures, mostly in the  Brice canyon, Page, national Monument,
Arches area.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:56:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Taylor? Taylor? ANYONE?

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Rob MacCormick wrote:

> If no designation as to steering wheel location is given, how does one
> determine which side the passenger side is? Rob M Concord, MA USA

	Both sides...  You have found the centre steering prototype.

>.

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:00:11 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Series Fuel filler tube

At 10:05 AM 9/27/96 -0400, Jeff Berry wrote:

>I am looking for a Series III filler tube for the filler assembly to the
>fuel tank. I have a 3 prong cap, extension tube for filler, and hose but
;not the filler tube that goes in the middle. I have tried RN, AB,
>Overland, and Britpac: no longer available... Any ideas? Junk yards?
;
>Jeff Berry
>94 D90 (hmmm... wonder what he is doing)
;
Having just taken a side filler assy and converted it for use as a water
filler, I just happen to have an inside extension filler tube left over,
along with almost all the outer tube which was cut off right behind the
filler flange.  I even think I know where the inside tube is (A major feat
considering the amount of stuff I have in a very small space)

The tube is from a two prong filler.  I think its the same as the three
prong filler.  I have one on the rear of my 109 two door.  I could remove
that one& see if the other fits.

I always thought a under seat petrol tank would fit on a D90.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:59:29 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: curious about coils

I have to ask. What holds a coil spring in place? Looking through 
magazine photos I don't see any clamps other than a potentially short 
shock absorber.

Also if anyone has the information handy I'd like to know the distance 
between the spring pads on the axle (coil), centre to centre, and the 
coil diameter. Spring rate in pounds per inch would also be of interest.

Thanks folks,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 11:16:03 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: RE: Series fuel filler (JB)

     Lets try this again!
     
     Jeff Berry Wrote:
     
     >I am looking for a Series III filler tube for the filler assembly to 
     >the fuel tank. I have a 3 prong cap, extension tube for filler, and 
     >hose but not the filler tube that goes in the middle. I have tried 
     >RN, AB, Overland, and Britpac: no longer available... Any ideas? Junk 
     >yards?
     
     Jeff:
     
        A gentleman that just moved from MA to VT (last year) has a pile of 
     British parts - Rover, MG, Triumph...    "Bit of Britain".  Last time 
     I talked to Mike he was at (802)439-5815.  He is very reasonable and 
     has both new and used parts.  Hope this helps and good luck!!
     
     rfs
     rscholl@lib.com
     70 SIIa 88"

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:05:19 -0500
Subject: re: Series database (and what makes a SW

Dixon posted:

>                        88" incl   88" StnWgn
>                        StnWgn     post -       109"       109"
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>            Export LHD  24400001A  31800001B  25400001A  26400001A
>            CKD LHD     24500001A  31900001B  25500001A  26500001A

So if Peter's SW is a true SW with a 244 number then the year must be   
wrong,
i.e. it would have to be an early '65 or older, not '66. But, once we get   
a
look at the whole database, we might be able to place the production of
his in relation to other 244's and see if it indeed fall in '66. I know   
how
the years can get screwed up, I pretty much could have registered mine   
with
any year I wanted when I bought it, since the serno doesn't reference the   

model year or anything. And there is still some question as to whether or
not mine, having been built in July '65, would technically be a '65 or   
'66
model.

This, to me, is what is fun about the database and the production log   
sheets...

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:38:01 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: SWB shocks

At 09:54 AM 9/26/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Here's a tale that will amuse all SWB owners!

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>banging - and lost weight in the process (previous vehicle - BMW 
>325), as Oscar is my DD. I did replace the rear springs, with LWB SW spec.
ones, as they 
>were sagging badly. 
>Last week, whilst probing around underneath, I noticed that the front 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Obviously some PO had fitted very sub-standard shocks for reasons of 
>economy or expediency. I immediately installed a set of new Gabriel
Safari's, set to "firm", and Oscar is 
>like a new vehicle now, with a (relatively) comfortable ride, and far 
>less crashing and banging! I can't get over the difference in ride 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>Fax: 27-21-531-5992
>email: acookson@aztec.co.za
>hi Alan
could you send me the part numbers for the Gabriel shocks.
need it for a 1964 SWB.
thanks
Ofir 
ofir_n@inter.net.il

1951 sI 80"  ur
1964 sII SWB  ur

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From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Brake Servo diaphram
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 12:08:58 EST

Thanks for all the help with the servo.   A leaking diaphram would also 
explain the problems I've been having with my brakes, ie as I sit at a 
light with my foot on the brake, the pedal slowly depresses, but there is 
no loss of fluid.  The brakes have been bled (at the garage....sorry I 
wimped out)  and all the cylinders checked, and still the squishy brakes.  
If it was air in the line, then once I had pumped a couple of times, the 
air wouldn't compress any more (I know this feeling....me, not the rover!) 
so the pedal wouldn't keep depessing at a stoplight.   (I think I'm 
starting to ramble........)

Any way, is there any quick fix for the servo? (am I even able to fix the 
diaphram....Hmmm....is this the kind that prevents kids?  I thought that 
maintenance on the Rover did that already!)

Can this be done with the wing on? and do I have to bleed the whole 
system?

Eagerly awaiting taking the whole ^$%&! thing off again,   Ian

---
 This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:10:50 -0400
From: Jeff Berry <jaberry@i2020.net>
Subject: Re: Series Fuel filler tube

TeriAnn, =

Sounds like you got what I need.  This filler neck is a bit confusing.
=46rom the cap in it goes: cap, extension tube, filler tube (which has th=
e
fuel vent nipple), then rubber filler hose that connects to the tank.
The elusive part is that filler tube. If you have that piece in tact
I=92ll take it. Actually I will probably take that whole assembly (I coul=
d
change to a 2 prong cap very easily). =

Thank you, =

Jeff Berry
94 Def90

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:08:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: your mail

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Michel Bertrand wrote:

> In conclusion, the harder it is to drive the thing home, the more points you
> get... Did I get it right, Dixon
>.
	That is one way, plus the one of moving around perfectly functional
	vehicles that could have done it under their own steam.  A third
	catagory goes to those like Andy Graham who hires a tow truck to
	move his 109, drives out to where he *thinks* he left it, then 
	realises that he hasn't a clue to where he put it, then has to 
	make phone calls all over the place to see who might remember 
	where it was, then goes and fetches it.

> Now, before the Christmas party where the prize will be awarded, I have to
> fetch a 109 SW in the Great White North, which includes 200 miles of dirt
> road... I just can't wait!
>.
	Remember, in one piece & backyard is paved... :-)  

	Rgds,

	PS.  Fred is off soon to flat tow a 109sw from Labrador to Ottawa
	in the next week or so...  Gives even Quintin a run for the milage
	count...  Later, Fred is off to northern Ontario to bring back Sean's 
	latest acquisition.

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:34:38 -1000
From: Faye Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Lineage of 1966 '88' Station Wagon

Aloha:
        If I am reading the numbers right, my 1966 is probably a 1965.  The
date first sold on the title shows as 00/00/66 and is titled as a '66.  The
instrument cluster is the same as my '65 '109'.  As far as being a station
wagon, the plaque on the back below the Rover emblem clearly states
stationwagon and shows every sign of being on the vehicle since manufacture.
The car came with individual jump seats in the rear, a tropical roof with
vents and deluxe hood with recessed spare mount.  BTW the I.D. number is
24429789.  It is all pretty much immaterial as the car, it must be a car if
its a stnwgn, is history. The only way to revive it would be to drive a new
vehicle under the Number Plate.  Does that qualify as a ground up restoration?

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 15:07:10 EDT
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Lineage of 1966 '88' Station Wagon

At 08:34 AM 9/27/96 -1000, you wrote:
>        If I am reading the numbers right, my 1966 is probably a 1965.  The
>date first sold on the title shows as 00/00/66 and is titled as a '66.  The
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>vents and deluxe hood with recessed spare mount.  BTW the I.D. number is
>24429789.

 Station Wagons are distinguished by having a rear door instead of a tailgate
 and lift up window.

 The 88" was built between 1962 and prior to March 1, 1965, as the numbering
 changed to 318xxxxx.  This according to the OVLR FAQ at
 http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/FAQ.4.Chassis_Numbers.html

 For an exact build date, you can write Land Rover regarding the pedigree of
 your vehicle(s).  Write to...
	Mr. John Riley			Tel. 011+44 121 722 2424
	Project Eng., Traceability	Fax  011+44 121 742 1927	
	LAND ROVER		      direct 011+44 121 700 4806
	Lode Lane, Solihull
	West Midlands B92 8NW
	England

 It takes about 3 weeks or so. 

 Cheers,

-Michael Carradine
 cs@crl.com 

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:15:26 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Roll bars

At 01:34 PM 9/27/96 GMT, you wrote:
>On a slightly different track, a head on impact test several years 
>ago on several 4x4's showed that the transfer of forces to the body 
>was sufficent to kill, due to a torn aorta mainly, because of the 

>Do only EMT's see these reports ?

Depends on whether or not GM, Toyota, Honda, etc. wants to sell 4x4's or
not...  If it were about cars with rumble seats or something, they'd let the
media print it...

(nah, I ain't cynical!)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:59:48 -1000 (HST)
From: Wayne Haight <whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: Safety

Aloha!

Kololohi, my 1970 Series IIA 88" softop did not come with seatbelts when 
I bought it. I called Rovers North to inquire about inertia shoulder 
belts for the front seat and they said they had a kit, but it cost almost 
$300! Does anyone have a less expensive solution?

Mahalo,

-wayne

Wayne Haight (whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu)
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
NOAA/NMFS 
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Lineage of 1966 '88' Station Wagon

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Faye Ogilvie wrote:

> 24429789.  It is all pretty much immaterial as the car, it must be a car if
> its a stnwgn, is history. The only way to revive it would be to drive a new
> vehicle under the Number Plate.  Does that qualify as a ground up restoration?

	You would be surprised at how much is recoverable to rebuild the
	vehicle...

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:17:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Safety

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Wayne Haight wrote:

> Kololohi, my 1970 Series IIA 88" softop did not come with seatbelts when 
> I bought it. I called Rovers North to inquire about inertia shoulder 
> belts for the front seat and they said they had a kit, but it cost almost 
> $300! Does anyone have a less expensive solution?

	Saab 900 stuff?  Been used around here...

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:17:08 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Safety

Kololohi, my 1970 Series IIA 88" softop did not come with seatbelts when
I bought it. I called Rovers North to inquire about inertia shoulder
belts for the front seat and they said they had a kit, but it cost 
almost
$300! Does anyone have a less expensive solution?

No, but I can say that I love these belts.  You can shift from high to 
low range without unbuckling yourself!

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:44:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: suggestions for driving over clay beds

Thanks to all who responded about my question of driving over clay.  I 
was the proud owner of a high lift until it was removed from the back of 
my truck by someone who needed it more than me, so now I'm planning on 
sawing up some pieces of plywood and sliding them down under the rear 
seat. If I get bogged down I'll slide them under the tires. I 
can probably fit several pieces under the seat, in case any break I'll have 
some extra.  
Fortunately it has been dry there for the last day or so with alot of 
sunshine so hopefully everything kind of solidified.

As the highlift came with my old truck ('69 Bronco) I didn't purchase 
it, just gave it a new home (however shortlived it was) in the back of 
my D90.  So where can I get a replacement and how much?

so long for now,
Rich
D90 #2948

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:52:44 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Series Fuel filler tube

At 12:10 PM 9/27/96 -0400, Jeff Berry wrote:

>TeriAnn, =
;
>Sounds like you got what I need.  This filler neck is a bit confusing.
>=46rom the cap in it goes: cap, extension tube, filler tube (which has th=
;e
>fuel vent nipple), then rubber filler hose that connects to the tank.
>The elusive part is that filler tube. If you have that piece in tact
;I=92ll take it. Actually I will probably take that whole assembly (I coul=
>d
>change to a 2 prong cap very easily). =
;
>Thank you, =
;
>Jeff Berry
>94 Def90
;
Jeff
The ONLY part I have complete is what you call the extension tube.  Thats
the part that fits into the filler tube, and extends for filling from a
gerry can.  From your previous description I thought it was what you were
after.

Couldn't help but notice that you have a very strange editor.  Is it a
microsoft product?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:44:46 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Safety

At 08:59 AM 27/09/96 -1000, Wayne Haight, wrote

>$300! Does anyone have a less expensive solution?

You bet.  I put front inertials plus a middle lap belt and two laps on the
rear benches for well under 200 Canadian, which would be about next to
nothing in US dollars.  The most expensive bits were the attachment plates
from Rovers North.  The front belts came out of a wrecked Hyundai Pony and
the lap belts out of some generic US vehicle.  Junkyards (Ooops, automotive
parts recyclers) have bins of the things for not much.  

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/cobracom
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:01:17 -0700 (MST)
From: Dirk Tischer <dtischer@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Collisions

We were rearended by a old Fleetwood caddy while we were waiting behind a
left turner.  The Cadilac was undrivable, bumper hood radiater ect.  He
unluckly got my rear tire mount with the top of his hood which did bend
the mount abit and put a small ding in the door.

The policeman's only comment was that, after a really bad accident all
you'd need to do is hose off the interior to get it ready for the estate
sale. Love those seatbelts.

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Taylor? Taylor? ANYONE?

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Rob MacCormick wrote:

> Another newbie question:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> If no designation as to steering wheel location is given, how does one
> determine which side the passenger side is? Rob M Concord, MA USA
The passenger side would be the one without the steering wheel and the
funny little things on the floor.

Russ W.
RHD 88

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:08:02 -0400
Subject: Re: 1961 2.25 engine colour

>Hello again, just saw a 1961 88" w/plow  for sale that has 16,000 miles on
>the odometer, but it could be 116,000 miles...
>I noticed that the engine block is blue. Is it the original colour or was
>the engine painted in the last rebuilt.

Engine color seems to have varied over the years. I cleaned all the black
deposits from the block of our '60 SII PU, and found the original color to
have been a medium grey, with prehaps a very slight hint of green. No paint
remaining on the head, but the valve cover was a medium dark blue, not unlike
the color of "Leyland" parts boxes. Don't know if this was original though it
was also under the valve clearance plate.

David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:15:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Safety

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Dixon Kenner wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> > belts for the front seat and they said they had a kit, but it cost almost 
> > $300! Does anyone have a less expensive solution?
Ratchet straps available from any K-mart automotive dept. seem to work
well.  OR you could snoop around a junk yard and get belts for about $25

Russ W

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:23:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Safety in aluminum cans (Series I)

Steve has been thinking too much:
>One thing that always made me a little nervous about driving around in my
>107 SW was the fuel tank hanging down under the passenger seat (lhd) with
>nothing between it and the bumper of any idiot running a red light or stop
>sign.

I used to think too much when driving our '64 CJ5 with the gas tank under the
passenger seat but inside the passenger compartment. Jeep later moved the
tanks to the rear.

On a related note, we need a new tank for a SII 88", and to keep it original
I was planning on installing an original style tank. Now I wondering if the
alternative two piece stamped tank might behave better in a side impact since
it doesn't have as many seams. OTOH it may be an irrelevant question since an
impact severe enough to rupture the tank is likely to have other adverse
consequences.

It probably is a good idea though not to completely fill the tank, but to
leave some air room as a cushion.

David Cockey 

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:55:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Springs (86"=88"=88"??)

Sounds like Ian needs springs for his SI:
>While we're on the subject of springs, is there a difference between S1 
>86" springs and 88" springs?  Can I pop on a new set of 88 springs in my 
>55 or do I have to get ones specially, ie from Craddocks?

According to the all knowing parts books:
SI 86" and SI 88" used the same springs, but different front shackle plates.
Petrol 88" SII with 2 litre engines (very early) used the same front springs
as SI 86"/88". Petrol 88" SII with 2.25 litre engines used different front
springs, but the rest of the the front suspension is the same so they are
probably just a different rate and/or camber due to engine weight
differences. SII 88" thru very early '61 production used the same rear
springs as SI 86/88. Again changes are to springs only. So SII/IIA/III 88"
petrol springs will probably work for your SI 86".

David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 20:44:52 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Series gaiter kit

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, source@trinidad.net (Peter Quentrall-Thomas) wrote:

 I realise gaiters would be a great idea.
>Can anyone out there give me part # to fit the IIA? and a price?

The part no. I quoted (276954) was confirmed by a couple of people as indeed 
being the kit for a IIA/III. The cost is around 25GBP plus postage. 
You could get one from the expedition specialists K & J Slavin, who are also the 
 LR distributors for much of the Caribbean. e-mail me directly if you would like 
the contact information for these extremely knowledgeable and helpful people.

I just received a shipment of 325kg of LR bits and service spares from them 
today, including all the parts to convert the 90 pickup to a station wagon 
(minus the plush bits of course). Sure makes for a great weekend :-)
Cheers
Allan

(minus the plush bits of course). Sure makes for a great weekend :-)

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: Frame enhancement
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 20:58:16 EDT

Just spent some time helping a friend work on his Harley. He'd gone to
the trouble of sealing the frame carefully (welded) and used the frame as
the oil reservoir for the hog. Anyone ever tried this on a Landie? think
it's possible to get one that leakfree? it would sure make one hell of an
oil cooler, thought it'd probably take 20 gallons for an oil change.
Might also make an appropriately sized brake/clutch fluid reservoir!!!

Mark Hardig
Robot10@aol.com

"J**ps are now being sold with standard rear window defrosters. Seems it
keeps your hands warm as you push 'em."

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 21:21:44 -0400
Subject: Re: suggestions for driving over clay beds

how does that Hi Lift fit in the back of your 90??...I have 4 seats station
wagon style and even when they are up it takes up the whole floor at an
angle???

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:38:55 -0400
From: Shane Feistner <shanef@santel.net>
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE

@lucent.lucent.com:ben@bell-labs.com wrote:
> sorry for not paying attention last time this was discussed..
> which Dana is it? is only R+P interchangeable, or the carrier as well?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> thanks
> JanUNSUBSCRIBE

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:40:39 -0400
From: Shane Feistner <shanef@santel.net>
Subject: unsubscribe

12/4/95 wrote:
> Just had one of those incredible "truck bonding" events happen to me the
> other day.  Close your eyes (after you read this, of course, or have
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 38 lines)]
> Rich
> D90 #2948unsubscribe

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From: O2BATSEA@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 23:38:03 -0400
Subject: Re: suggestions for driving over clay beds

In a message dated 96-09-27 17:50:54 EDT, you write:

<< As the highlift came with my old truck ('69 Bronco) I didn't purchase 
 it, just gave it a new home (however shortlived it was) in the back of 
 my D90.  So where can I get a replacement and how much? >>

Central Tractor has them for around $60, but they're often on sale for around
40. Call farm stores in your area if you don't see them in the phone book.

Bill Adams
109 Diesel SW that now starts when told.

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:30:47 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Taylor? Taylor? ANYONE?

>Another newbie question:
>If no designation as to steering wheel location is given, how does one
>determine which side the passenger side is? Rob M Concord, MA USA

Bet you're really glad you asked such an innocent question aren't you?
Sort of like sticking out your toe to feed the lions.  These guys feed on
the honesty of ignorance.
But listen quietly and you will undoubtably learn a great deal.  Some of it
you might even wish to know,... like left hand right hand is determined
from inside the vehicle, looking out the windscreen.  'mericans drive on
the left side of the vehicle, Brits drive on the right side of the vehicle.
Maybe thats not really what you wanted to know, but you did mention you
were a newbie.

you can lead a horse to water, but if the silly beast drinks till he bursts,
all you have to show for your good intentions is a dead horse.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:55:12 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: suggestions for driving over clay beds

>As the highlift came with my old truck ('69 Bronco) I didn't purchase
>it, just gave it a new home (however shortlived it was) in the back of
>my D90.  So where can I get a replacement and how much?
I got mine at WesternAuto for about $45 bucks.

you can lead a horse to water, but if the silly beast drinks till he bursts,
all you have to show for your good intentions is a dead horse.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society

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