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1 | "Bobeck, David R." [dbob | 17 | Re[2]: your mail |
2 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 16 | Speeds up when you slow down!! |
3 | "Bobeck, David R." [dbob | 37 | Shopping Spree (Woohoo!) |
4 | Stephen Brown [sbrown@tr | 53 | Running rough in Vermont |
5 | Hank_Lapa_at_PO-PLAZA1@S | 5 | [not specified] |
6 | Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A | 5 | Re: Running rough in Vermont |
7 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 24 | Clay bottomed run-off |
8 | "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@ | 62 | RE: Wading plugs for the D90? and pass. side heating vents on the |
9 | "Steve Reddock" [steve_r | 50 | Roll Bars |
10 | "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu | 24 | Anti-gravity (was Re: Roll Bars) |
11 | "Herman L. Stude" [herma | 6 | Re: wheel width |
12 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 19 | Re: wheel width |
13 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 19 | Re: Re[2]: your mail |
14 | QROVER80@aol.com | 9 | Towball ? |
15 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 17 | Re: Towball ? |
16 | blainh@accent.net (Blain | 20 | Database and Dormobiles |
17 | jouster@rocket.com (John | 30 | Valve stem seals.02 |
18 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 28 | Re: Database and Dormobiles |
19 | Harincar@mooregs.com (Ti | 30 | Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW |
20 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 25 | Re: Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW |
21 | twakeman@scruznet.com (T | 20 | Re: wheel width |
22 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 20 | More Headlamp Data |
23 | QROVER80@aol.com | 24 | Re: Towball ? |
24 | Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A | 5 | Re: Towball ? |
25 | rscholl@lib.com | 29 | Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") |
26 | Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A | 5 | Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") |
27 | jouster@rocket.com (John | 27 | Safety in aluminum cans,109 |
28 | ericz@cloud9.net | 47 | Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. |
29 | jouster@rocket.com (John | 20 | Valve stem seal TOOLS |
30 | Neil Taylor [Neil@lightw | 20 | Seats for a Lightweight |
31 | lopezba@atnet.at | 30 | Re: Killed by our L-R |
32 | Chris Murray [murraycm@b | 34 | Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") |
33 | Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo1 | 16 | Re: Killed by our L-R |
34 | Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo1 | 23 | Feelin' good |
35 | "David Lee" [DJFLee@msn. | 17 | RE: Nice tires, man... |
36 | "Adams, Bill" [badams@us | 16 | Re: Safety in aluminum cans,109 |
37 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 19 | Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. |
38 | "Adams, Bill" [badams@us | 16 | Re: Feelin' good |
39 | "Adams, Bill" [badams@us | 17 | Nice tires, man...again! |
40 | William Caloccia [calocc | 43 | [not specified] |
41 | QROVER80@aol.com | 11 | Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. |
42 | Addison [jraddiso@slate. | 45 | Play in Gears |
43 | Jeffrey A Berg [jeff@pur | 35 | Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the |
44 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 23 | Re: wheel width |
45 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 37 | Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") |
46 | "Gonzalez del Cid." [jtg | 17 | Range Rover Wheels |
47 | "Gonzalez del Cid." [jtg | 12 | Range Rover Wheels |
48 | twakeman@scruznet.com (T | 25 | Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the LROs |
49 | Mike Hooker [mhooker@com | 14 | 127 Siting! |
50 | ericz@cloud9.net | 9 | Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the |
51 | ericz@cloud9.net | 16 | Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. |
52 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 26 | 1961 2.25 engine colour |
53 | Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm | 22 | Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding |
54 | Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm | 28 | RR frame rot repaired |
55 | ericz@cloud9.net | 27 | Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the |
56 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 40 | Re: Range Rover Wheels |
57 | Steve MARGOLIS [sim1@cor | 23 | Safety in aluminum cans (Series I) |
58 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 49 | Re: Re[2]: your mail |
59 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 33 | Re: Shopping Spree (Woohoo!) |
60 | M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik | 12 | Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. |
61 | M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik | 11 | Re: Feelin' good |
62 | agscsmps@post.kosone.com | 12 | 109 Station Wagon frame |
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 07:46:32 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: your mail > (Hint: His initials ar S.N.) Do tell more... I can probably come pretty close in my guess. Lemme see, something to do with alloy and steel lumps that sit under the floorboards and seatbox... This mean I get one back? > I just love trailering up and down the eastern seaboard!!! Hmm...Could qualify for the Lugnut AND the Towball, assuming we can have a "shared" prize... So what was it? ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Speeds up when you slow down!! Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 08:05:00 DST Ian Harper writes "As I brake, coming to a stop, I notice that the engine increases in revs," I had the same symptom. It is due to the servo being worn and leaking when the brakes are depressed coupled with a slow running mixture that is too rich. The leak weakens the mixture and the engine speeds up. My slow running adjustment screw (s.c. Weber) refused to stay set, so this provided a handy indication of the screw backing out. ie Engine speeds up when brakes applied = time to adjust the slow running screw; another convenient Land Rover owner service feature. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 08:16:29 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org> Subject: Shopping Spree (Woohoo!) Last night I did a little shopping. I picked up a 63 amp chevy alternator to provide the juice for my winch, and while I was at the Generic Parts Place I was looking at shocks to see if they had Land Rovers listed in The Book. Sure enough, they had a steering stabilizer listed, so I found it on the shelf along with all the associated brackets and bought it. I then went to the Other Store, and the chap there found the right alternator on the shelf in all of ten seconds, whereas the Pep Boys guy kept telling me it didn't exist...I went home, and sat and stared at this just under $200 pile of Parts That Probably Wont Fit, and decided that the only thing to do was go outside and put on the damper.Ok, I read the directions...(first mistake). Well, now which picture do I follow? There were three; Dodge, Ford and J**p. I thought the Ford set up looked most like the Rover so I tried something similar, making sure to constantly check that nothing was going to bind or rub while turning or bouncing around. I put all the brackets on and bolted everything up, making sure to torque the U-Bolt nuts WAY TOO TIGHT. One of them snapped before I realized I had misunderstood the directions. Well, no great loss, the other ones are all just as tight and are probably a gnat's ass away from exceeding their tensile strengths...All said and done, with the clock striking on the midnight hour (ooh, poetic) I hopped in for a test drive. It works!! I went for a spin over some roads that usually produce a bit of feedback in the steering wheel, and its just plain GONE. I definitely recommend this to anyone that has: 1: a good, tight steering sytem 2: a chassis that doesn't have a bracket for a factory damper 3: Nothing better to do 4: The ability to use channel-lock pliers for EVERYTHING 5: A penchant for resting their head on hard concrete for extended periods of time, preferably with lots of small pebbles to break up the monotony. 6: No qualms about originality. Cheers Dave "Impulse Purchases r' us" ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:34:05 -0400 From: Stephen Brown <sbrown@trek.ned.ara.com> Subject: Running rough in Vermont Oddest thing --- I just moved from Cedar Crest, New Mexico to Brookfield, Vermont about two months ago -- about 6000+ feet elevation drop. My 1960 Series II "Baldrick" has not run quite right since. I didn't drive it here, so it isn't worn out yet! The problem -- "plinking" when going up hills or accelerating. Misfiring when using the engine to slow me down hills. Neither of these were a real problem before I moved. I've solved the plinking problem for the time being by advancing the timing to 6 deg btdc instead of 3 and burning 92 octane premium instead of regular -- expensive though! I used to burn regular in NM, with no problems. No amount of fiddling with timing, points, idle mixture will quell the misfiring though. Oddly enough, there is plenty of power -- in fact more so than in NM, the rover eats the Vermont hills and seems to be well suited to windy farm roads! Some facts: About 80,000 miles on the odometer -- I believe it is correct. I have a weber carb from Rovers North, about 1.5 years old -- jetted for a landrover by the factory. Just before I moved I put in new points, plugs, wires, distributor cap, and fitted an electonic ignition system of my own manufacture. The ignition system can be switched back to the old system at the flick of a switch -- it seems to make no difference to these problems -- it just adds more power at low rpms. I just put in a new ignition coil (landrover part) to match my new push-in wires last Saturday in the Rovers North parking lot, some improvement in smoothness, but not the solution to my woes. Before I moved, I put a small can of "tecron" (You know -- Chevron's cute little talking cars by Nick Park) stuff in the gas tank, to clean the carburetor (exactly why I don't know, I was being exuberant -- I happened to be buying some for my wife's fuel injected 88 RR. Putting that stuff in the RR has helped it immensely to regain it's power and stopped a stalling problem). I hope that didn't cause a burnt valve or something or created carbon buildup??? As for the misfiring problem, I was wondering if my distributor could be worn and sloppy or the vacuum advance was goofy enough to cause erratic ignition? Any thoughts or ideas are welcome! Stephen Brown sbrown@ned.ara.com browns@sover.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:01:24 -0400 From: Hank_Lapa_at_PO-PLAZA1@SIGNALCORP.COM (Hank Lapa) unsubscribe ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 26 Sep 96 8:50:14 EDT Subject: Re: Running rough in Vermont ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Clay bottomed run-off Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 09:09:00 DST Rich Sloan asks "Okay now open your eyes and give me some advice about crossing streams and small rivers with clay bottom beds." The Niagara Peninsula also is noted for its clay, especially in the spring when it's still frozen 6 inches down (Just ask "limey in exile" Bill Leacock) . Recommended equipment is Hilift with large board to spead load, traction ladders/mats (solid type - again to spread load), old disposable clothing and plastic seat covers. Also some light lines to attach to the traction ladders and jack board, these enable you to extract them from the mud after use. Basically when you become totally mired raise the vehicle and place mats under wheels, move forward or back as far as you can retrieve mats and repeat. It's wonderful aerobic exercise which goes well with an appreciation of the remote wilderness and the stars, but you'll probably be so tired you'll sleep like a log and never see any stars. Good luck Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@ingr.com> Subject: RE: Wading plugs for the D90? and pass. side heating vents on the Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 09:13:00 PDT Thanks for the plug info. Actually, the marine plugs were by boat-owning friend's idea (he had a boat sink before buying the type of plug I mentioned) so I can't take credit. I think the 94 and 95 D90s were the same as far as heat vents go. However, if you have that HUGE a/c unit under the dash, your passenger side heating vent (underneath) is covered by the a/c. Some D90 guys on the list have mentioned (just recently) about running a hose from the passenger side heating vent out from behind the a/c or cutting a hole through the a/c and running a vent. Also, to avoid driver's hot foot, I applied a heater vent cover that I can adjust the amount of heat coming out. I got if from a junk yard, but I think it may have been from a Miata. I would have had the same problem because I had the a/c for about 1 week and had the dealer take it back. When I ordered a/c, it was sight unseen. As soon as I climbed in my D90 after having the a/c installed. I bashed my legs (I'm 6'2" - most of it being leg) and ran inside to ask what they had done to my poor D90... To get it returned, I had to make a big "stink" for them to take it back. Ever since then, they have bent over backwards to try to help. I really felt bad about having to complain to such a degree... Mail me if you have any other questions. Douglas Boehme '95 Red D90 #2767 The proud owner of a new heater muff. Yeah I know, big deal, but I hate to freeze... ---------- From: Chris Brosious[SMTP:brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 1996 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Wading plugs for the D90? Hi Doug, wish I had known about the Marine plugs some time ago; I used the rubber freeze plugs for the drain holes in my old Land Cruiser. I checked under my Defender, and I have some plastic plugs already fitted into the drain holes under the seats. I think there are a couple more drain holes in the back, somewhere near or under the rear speakers and also some under where the rear seat is; these should be plugged leaving the factory and are also covered by the rubber mat. Got another question for you, you have a '95 Defender. How is the heating routed to the passanger compartment? My '94 has the A/C installed and there is only 1 small hole for the heat to come out just under the drivers seat. Its a drag - I get cooked while everyone else freezes. I've heard, but have not seen, that the '95's have a vent on the passenger side too. What's the story? Thanks for the info, Chris '94 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:10:23 EDT From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> Subject: Roll Bars Have a look at: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/hy24/safety.htm Safety devices make very good (but not so cheap) roll cages & bars. They also send nice catalogues for free! The people who get out of accidents un-harmed put it down to seats, seat belts and rollcages. If your belts don't hold you into your seat & your seat doesn't stop you bouncing round the inside the roof landing on you head is just another problem. Neck and back injuries are caused by poor seats (unless to roof really does drop on your head!). Your normal off road roll over is sideways at about 2 MPH on a side slope, you just plop onto the side with little momentum A roll bar mounted on the body will hold you on most of these, as would a hard top with all it's bolts in (probably) The problem comes when you roll with momentum, say down a long hill. By the time you have gone over 3 or 4 times and landed against a tree a chassis mounted roll bar, bucket seats & 4 point harnesses are looking like a really good idea. All RAC approved cages will take 7.5 times the weight of the vehicle (and driver) without deformation on the roof. I can't remember the specs for the other directions, but they are 2-3 times the combined weight or something. To have a roll cage (which will cost 2/3 of a real one) which is not up to this sounds of little use. Same goes for seat without head rests If you are going to fit a cage, fit high backed seats with head rests as well. Roll bars are not required on new vehicles as they are fitted with cats. Everybody knows that cats always land right way up :-) Drive safely, Steve Steve Reddock, Xyratex | "NEVER QUESTION AN Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450 | ENGINEER'S OPINION, IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P) | YOU THUNDERING MORON !" Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | - Dogbert 1996 ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:37:03 +0000 Subject: Anti-gravity (was Re: Roll Bars) Quoting Steve Reddock, from 26 Sep 96 > Roll bars are not required on new vehicles as they are fitted with cats. > Everybody knows that cats always land right way up :-) How to make an Anit-Gravity device: Glue some bread, ladled with real butter and rasberry jam, onto a cats back and toss out the windows. Because a cat always lands on it's feet, and the bread always lands butter-side down, the whole thing floats in the air, rotating about a longditudinal axis ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> Lucas, SIII 109. "4 knobs are better than 3!" ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:34:18 -0500 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Re: wheel width Wheel width for stock 15" wheels should be 6" ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: wheel width On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, M. ABERCROMBIE wrote: > I have another question about wheels. Does anyone know what the width of > the LR stock 15" wheel is? If it is under 6 1/2 inches, does any one have a > set of 16" wheels that they want to part with? 5" I believe. The 88" 16" wheels are 5" in width The 109" 16" wheels are 5.5" in width If you need/want 6.5", you need something different. >. ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Re[2]: your mail On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Bobeck, David R. wrote: > Hmm...Could qualify for the Lugnut AND the Towball, assuming we can have a > "shared" prize... Eric qualifies for Towball since he did the towing (though there is good reason to give him a share of the Lugnut for doing said towing too), Spenny the Lugnut. Current Lugnut leader is in for loading up a 109, dropping a heavy object on the gate and catching a wee bit male anatomy in the drop... (see latest newsletter, lost somewhere in Communist Post/US Snail). This also puts Eric way ahead of Michel for Towball... Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: QROVER80@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:49:34 -0400 Subject: Towball ? Out of curiosity :-) Just what does one do to qualify for these prestigious awards? Quintin ( is that truck still back there? ) Aspin ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Towball ? On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 QROVER80@aol.com wrote: > Out of curiosity :-) Just what does one do to qualify for these prestigious > awards? WHo tows the most LR stuff the greatest distance over a year. Bonus points for those journeys that didn't require the tow in the first place. (Lots of bonus points for people like Spenny...) > Quintin ( is that truck still back there? ) Aspin This would be an 88" that is currently leading the pack... ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:18:17 -0500 From: blainh@accent.net (Blain Hughes) Subject: Database and Dormobiles For the database,I have a Series 111 SWB 1972 which is a sickening green colour which I call "Urologist Green". I will soon be the owner of Series 11a SWB (as soon as I can drag the beast home). I have a galavinised frame which I am going to install under this gem if finances permit. I will keep the list informed. Dormobiles: Can someone please post the address of the Dormobile Club. Thanks Blain Austin Healey 100/6 Land-Rover Series 111 SWB Rover P6 Coming Soon LR Series 11a SWB One angry wife ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:22:23 -0700 From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout) Subject: Valve stem seals.02 >If anyone has done a spring removal this way, I would love to hear about the >actuality. Having successfully replaced stem seals several dozen times on brit, german, italian, jap and us vehicles, with the heads in place, I can recommend a tool that makes it easier. Mine has no identifying marks, but I'll try to describe it: a chromed steel cylinder about 1.5 inch diameter by 6 inch long having a .75 inch hole in one end. The hole is lined with a powerful magnetic material. The opposite end is beveled to allow striking with a hammer. The tool is placed over the valve stem/spring/retainer and struck with a hammer (The valve is held closed with air pressure). The spring and retainer are thereby compressed and the keepers are grabbed by the magnet. The spring/retainer and tool rebound free of the valve. Place tool on valve, bang, the spring's free. Fish the keepers out of magnet with fingers. There is a second part to the tool that fits into the hole that reinstalls the spring and keepers, again by hammer power. I don't recall the original source for the tool, but Snap-on, KD, NAPA, etc, seem logical places. Of course, this only applies to stem seals that are on the outside of the valve guides. A side note: be sure that the piston is at bottom dead center before applying air pressure. '64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoody) jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout) ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Database and Dormobiles On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Blain Hughes wrote: > Dormobiles: Can someone please post the address of the Dormobile > Club. http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/FAQ.5.clubs.usa.html or Dormobile Owners Club attn: ecrovers@midcoast.com (Mike Smith), 50 Harden Ave., Camden, ME 04843 Tel: (207) 236-8162 Web: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html Fees: L15 (pounds) US/year and L10 (pounds) UK/year Newsletter: bi-monthly, 30pp, mostly Land Rover Dormobiles Coverage: International Size: growing Profile: Dormobiles Established: 1993 Last Contact: Fall 1995 ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:35:04 -0500 Subject: Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW Not to pick nits with Peter who wrote: > 244229789, 1966, Series IIa, '88', Station Wagon, Tropical Roof, Red, Island ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LHD 88" Export Station Wagons would have a serial number beginning with 318, and I think the standard hard tops had serno's that started with 244. Tropical roofs were optional, I believe, on the hard tops. A true SW, and people can correct me if I'm mistaken here, would have alpine windows, roof vents, interior trim, jump seats, sliding rear windows and a nice little badge on the back - and those items were not available on HTs (? - maybe roof vents came with the tropical roof). Otherwise, it sounds identical to mine! Ray Harder is (was) also building a red '66 88" SW. What is it about red station wagons... :-) Tim --- tim harincar harincar@mooregs.com '66 IIa 88 SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:44:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Tim Harincar-MS wrote: > > 244229789, 1966, Series IIa, '88', Station Wagon, Tropical Roof, Red, > Island > LHD 88" Export Station Wagons would have a serial number beginning with > 318, and I think the standard hard tops had serno's that started with > 244. Tropical roofs were optional, I believe, on the hard tops. A true http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/FAQ.4.Chassis_Numbers.type.html or 88" incl 88" StnWgn StnWgn post - 109" 109" Petrol pre-010365 March 1 65 StnWgn Home RHD 24100001A 31500001B 25100001A 26100001A Export RHD 24200001A 31600001B 25200001A 26200001A CKD RHD 24300001A 31700001B 25300001A 26300001A Export LHD 24400001A 31800001B 25400001A 26400001A CKD LHD 24500001A 31900001B 25500001A 26500001A ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:45:00 -0700 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: Re: wheel width At 9:48 AM 9/26/96 -0400, Dixon Kenner wrote: >. > The 88" 16" wheels are 5" in width > The 109" 16" wheels are 5.5" in width >. > If you need/want 6.5", you need something different. > The 109" 16" wheels are 5.5" in width .. The steel wheel that comes as a spare on US spec discoverys are 7 inches wide, fit a series car nicely, look good, and are inset enough to allow 265/75/16s fit within your wheel wells wall away from the wings. TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:17:43 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: More Headlamp Data When I sent my son out to the rover last night to get his school pack, he came back in saying that the lights were on. Well, I knew this could not be the case, as the lights don't work! But when I looked out the window at the driveway, the parking lights were, indeed, on. I went out and switched them over to the headlamps and voila!, they worked. I then went back in and got the keys. When I turned the key to the 'on' position, the lights went out. I was wondering if this sounds familiar to anyone? I'm going to attack this problem this weekend and any further information (in addition to the great tips I've already gotten) would be much appreciated. Chris '65 88" IIA SW (the one with the lights that don't work) '96 Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: QROVER80@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:54:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Towball ? Towing Rovers SO FAR this year: One round trip From the Balt-Wash area to Maine ( Down East ) 1300+ One round trip From the Balt-Wash area to Armah Pa 525 Both using a 1971 Range Rover to flat tow the 80" Eight (with another Monday ) One way flat tows from the port. 47 miles each. 376 One tow to pick up the NADA 95 One delivery flat tow of the NADA. 35 One round trip towing the "dormobile" to Carlisle PA and alas back 175 Total 1/1/96 to 9/25/96 2506 I will probably be towing something to the ROAV rally ALL these are FLAT tows with a tow bar Rgds Quintin Aspin ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 26 Sep 96 13:09:02 EDT Subject: Re: Towball ? ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 13:59:56 EST From: rscholl@lib.com Subject: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") Hi all! I don't know if you noticed a little traffic I have generated here in your forum but I have been watching and been involved with a few questions and answers. I would like to start off by supporting the enthusiasm we all share for our trucks and let you know how much I enjoy mine as it has become a daily drive, utility, and pleasure vehicle for the family. Tonight we plan to visit a local antique rally so others can see the mighty beast. Now to the nitty gritty - as I plan to use this vehicle constantly and have children, the question of safety has come to mind. All this talk of roll bars, seat belts, ... I have added shoulder harnesses and a lap belt in the front, plan to add in the back. Basically, has anyone seen (or tested) the durability in a collision? I hope not but I am curious as to whether the family is asking for a disaster since we are temporarily in a less rural & more suburban area. Please advise. Ray Scholl (rfs) rscholl@lib.com 1970 SIIa 88" daily driver (no name yet, although it looks necessary) 1960 SII 88" project to sell ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 26 Sep 96 14:31:24 EDT Subject: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:03:09 -0700 From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout) Subject: Safety in aluminum cans,109 Ray asks: > Now to the nitty gritty - as I plan to use this vehicle constantly and > have children, the question of safety has come to mind. All this talk > of roll bars, seat belts, ... I have added shoulder harnesses and a > lap belt in the front, plan to add in the back. Basically, has anyone > seen (or tested) the durability in a collision? I hope not but I am Here are some severe ones I've seen. Briefly:1) self and wife rearended by subaru doing 95, us doing 55 pulling utility trailer. Lap and shoulder belts worked well, headrests, seatbacks and the bar behind the seats were bent. My wife is fully recovered, I'm still having some neck problems after two years. Our 109 is still driven daily. 2) "Orange crush" was another 109 which had a front tire blowout entering the freeway (50-60mph+), hitting a concrete divider end-on, flipping upside down, landing on roof, (5-door, no rollbar). Driver was bruised, wearing lap and shoulder belts. Vehicle was totalled, but drivable. 3) Terianns Dormobile top came from another 109 that was totaled. Perhaps she can fill in the details? 4) a military 88 with rollbar rolled sideways down a long hill (1/2 mile), driver wearing lap and shoulder belts, driver walked away (broken arm?), vehicle totalled, but drivable. JohnO ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. OK, it seems time to clear the waters a bit so that those who were not involved in the debacle....can keep with the discussion. A couple days before the British Invasion in Stowe, I got a panicked call from Spenny: net effect, his transmission had gone south and his only hope of getting the Rover repaired was to deliver it to a friend near Stowe and install a replacement tranny conveniently provided by Dixon. Having a (infamous) reputation for flat towing my father's 109" back and forth to the Downeast in Maine, it seemed that I had the proper expertise to get Spen's Rover ro Vermont. Conveniently assured that Haverhill, Mass. is on the way to Stowe fron NYC (it isn't, unless you consider ARB locker physics), I planned to set off for Mass. Since I was planning to caravan with Jeff Berg anyway, he and I decided to throw his Rover on the trailer for the first half of the trip. Spen and his friend, Kirk, followed in a VW Golf. Upon arrival at our assigned destination, Jeff's Rover was off-loaded and I drove Spen's onto the trailer. "Funny", I thought, "the Wayback Machine seems to run fine....assuming you don't consider the black smoke from the tailpipe, or the buklhead which deflects three inches each time you turn the wheel....oh well, he should know what a sour transmission sounds like." The rest of the trip went fine...the Rover was delivered without incident and we all repaired to Stowe to join in the festivities. Favorite quote: "We're not oblivious....its at least a couple hours untill we're oblivious!" (Spenny) Sunday afternoon, I went to pick up the trailer an check how Spen was doing. I was presented with a partially disassembled Rover and a bent bolt. The bolt, it seems, had come loose and was rubbing on the inside of the front tire....this was the transmission noise that I had heard so much about! After attempting to strangle Spen, I calmed down enough to help put the vehicle back together and get him on his way. Net effect. Spenny is very red-faced. I just trailered a serviceable Rover 250 miles, and now it seems we're both candidates for the Towball and Lugnut awards. You just can't win. Rgds, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:22:21 -0700 From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout) Subject: Valve stem seal TOOLS (SNIP) the original source for the tool, but Snap-on, KD, NAPA, etc, seem logical places. Of course, this only applies to stem seals that are on the outside of the valve guides. I found the tool listed in my old MAC Tool Catalog: VT100, "Auto Valve Tool" VT200, "Truck Valve Tool" (presumably a larger size) The "Airhold" tool (basically an airhose with special fittings) is part number OV1418 (for 14mm and 18mm sparkplug holes) JohnO '64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoody) jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout) ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 18:44:39 +0100 From: Neil Taylor <Neil@lightwht.demon.co.uk> Subject: Seats for a Lightweight I am currently in the process of rebuilding my 1981 Series III Lightweight. Having struggled for many miles on the existing 'seats', I would like to replace them with something that can be classed as a seat. I would also like to put in a central cubby box as well. Does anyone have any suggestions for suitable seats, bearing in mind I am 6'4" and I don't wish to put in external fuel fillers. Will the Trakker seats shown in LRO be suitable considering my height, and the width restrictions of the Lightweight? Thanks in advance. Neil Taylor. 'I must be a real enthusiast. Both my Land-Rovers are broke.' ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:46:26 +0200 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Killed by our L-R Bill Adams wrote: -I hate to be morbid, and I'm sorry to hear somebody died trying to have -fun, but I think we all realize these trucks are going to kill us. One -way or another, either rapidly through direct physical violation or -slowly, by years of tedious work, exposure to toxic materials and oils, -worry over every new noise, illness due to drafty winter driving, -constant hammering of the gluteal region or plain old exhaustion from -pushing it off the highway one more time. Here we have a phrase I use at the office a lot: Was uns nicht umbringt, macht uns nur haerter (Whatever does not kill us directly just makes us harder to kill) So our cars, on the contrary, will make the ones with the good genes live even longer because of the constant exercise and immunisation they provide. Survival of the fittest! You can't evade the laws of Darwin! (Not in aBritish car, at least). -Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner Is that a motor bike, btw? Regards Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1) ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:52:01 -0900 (PDT) From: Chris Murray <murraycm@bc.edu> Subject: Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") in my 88IIa.: backing into a parking spot in boston. small pontiac rear ended me at 50+mph. pontiac: totalled. Landy: rear crossmember suffered a scratch to its fresh paint. ripped mudflap. passengers: pontiac driver wearing belt with airbagn walked away front rover occupants: with inertia shoulder harness sb's, no headrests or other modifications, no harm rear occ: no seatbelts. right pass fine. left pass head hit some sharp point of metal somewhere back there (still Unknown) lots of blood, screaming, ambulances, and fire trucks and police. needless tyo say, i saw her at a bar that same night. while the truck itself could probably endure a cement wall at top speed from any direction, securing passengers and interior objects is essential chris-- ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:59:05 -0400 From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net> Subject: Re: Killed by our L-R lopezba@atnet.at wrote: > Here we have a phrase I use at the office a lot: > Was uns nicht umbringt, macht uns nur haerter > (Whatever does not kill us directly just makes us harder to kill) Sounds like Nietzsche, paraphrased : ) -- Nate Dunsmore 88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm ) dunsmo19@us.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:48:54 -0400 From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net> Subject: Feelin' good Hi all, After reading about all those "hot rod rovers" that can get up to and above 60 mph, I decided yesterday to see what I could manage out of the blue brick. Previously, I have only been able to get up to 52-55 mph, but that was in part due to caution on my part. Yesterday, I unlocked the hubs and headed for the freeway. I was going 62 mph when I had to slow down for the traffic ahead of me. Probably could've gotten 5 more mph out of it. Aside from the increased wind buffetting, it was surprisingly smooth. (And nothing fell off!) -- Nate Dunsmore 88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm ) dunsmo19@us.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 20:07:55 UT From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com> Subject: RE: Nice tires, man... A company called Olympic make a remould in the XCL pattern that is available in the UK. I don't know if you can obtain them in the US. Though not crazy about remoulds I have fitted a pair as an experiment to the front of my 109. They are great in mud or sand, but wear away at a fantastic rate on tarmac. Since most of my driving is on road, I reckon I'll get about 5000 miles out of them and then replace them with BFGs. Anyone got any opinions on Trac Edge vs MT? Dave Lee Kinloss Scotland 109 Series III Safari Truimph TR2 ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 16:13:56 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: Safety in aluminum cans,109 Dave Bobeck and I devised an excellent solution to head injury prevention: Your favorite baseball cap with empty beer cans end-glued to it. This will provide omni-directional crumple zones upon impact. Might save Chris Dow some of his ibuprofin money, since he'll have to scooch down a bit more. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel. Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ? ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote: > Net effect. I just trailered a serviceable Rover 250 miles, Quintin... This is a perfect example of how bonus points, or miles, are awarded to a person for the Towball award. :-) There will be debate though whether Eric really should get the award, or if Spenny is really going for a double header. The last time we had this particular example occur (about four years ago actually) the owner of the towed Land Rover won the towball (and missed out on the Lugnut. There was a good crop that year...) ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 16:26:51 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: Feelin' good Nate, sorry to hear that you had to back off just as it was getting good! You should do that more often to blow the cobwebs out. I always find my truck runs better days after a long highway run. BTW, where did you find a speedometer that reads accurately? I always thought they were provided merely to inform you that the transmission was in gear. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel. Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ? ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 16:35:21 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Nice tires, man...again! All I can say is that the Trac-Edge tires on Mark Tompkins' 109/10 are stunningly beautiful and snarly looking meats.(Am I still raving about his truck!?) I'm also sure that they're the only set in Maryland. (Make 'em last Mr. T.) Mud-Terrains are probably made from a softer compound and will surely create an awesome din on the roadway. 'Less you're bog-slogging every weekend they're likely impractical. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel. Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ? ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the LROs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:05:41 -0400 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com> Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip off for spares !) --Bill Forwarded Message 2 (from a friend who reads the Brit-Cars list) There was a report from a british-car/etc get-together in NH or VT a week or two ago about the "uncivilized" LR owners, cooking eggs and drinking bud(?!) at 9:00am, drinking more bud(?!), making jokes about the other british cars there being too shiney, etc. Pretty funny. >Forwarded Message 1 >Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:47:23 GMT >Subject: Rovers and bushes >From: jmerone@vtetv.org (Joe Merone) Actually the "Rover Guys" at the British Invasion are a welcome sight in a weird sort of way. After the quiet civility of the rest of the British car world these guys lend a little pleasant diversion to the proceedings. Kind of like your outrageous brother in law who only comes to family functions at Christmas. The roofs of the Rovers are packed with supplies, hammocks strung between them, and pulsating rock balances out the chamber music piped over the field's sound system. The dirtier the better as far as they're concerned. Did you see the one fitted out to work the farm fields with over 360,000 miles on it? The best part is seeing one of those beasts from out of the bush and their hung over occupants parked next to the new $70,000 model complete with debutants who look like they overran the Banana Republic store on the way to the show. The only down side was that the whole line of them was backed up to us TR6'ers so our view was slightly impared. [other TR stuff deleted - wpc] Joe Merone '74 TR6 CF 18928 End forwarded messages 1,2 ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: QROVER80@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:18:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. I fully understand... I feel humbled by their achivements. I would nominate Eric for the towball as Spenney didn't actually TOW anything. There is the Tom Sawyer / fence painting effect to consider tho........ and Spenny DID save on gas. Rgds Quintin ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:01:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Addison <jraddiso@slate.Mines.EDU> Subject: Play in Gears If this issue has already been addressed please let me know where I can find it in the digests; or, even better, how I can search the digests for various topics. The following regards my '69 SW. I've just finished rebuilding my gear box, transfer case, and front wheel drive selector (which was a serious achievement for me as I am completely new to auto mechanics-this was a tough introduction). I think I should have replaced most of my gears; 2 and 3 were a bit dinged up but nothing (I would call) structural, while 1 was pitted on the face of the teeth, esp. the small cog (the only one I replaced). You see, replacements were very expensive and my financial situation wasn't up to it. Once the transfer case was finished I noticed when turning the output flange (right term?) there was some play in the gears (these looked very nice-like new?) Should these be tight? The same story in the gear box but to a lesser extent. Again, should they be tight? Once I combined the two units I could hear (listening very carefully) two distinct knocks when turning the input shaft. Upon the second the output flange would turn. There isn't much play but it is detectable. Now that I have the thing(s) back in I drove it about for a test without the floor and middle cover and can definitely hear the gears knocking each other when the power is applied and removed. (Normal? Bad? Acceptable?) Note that I replaced all bearings, oil seals, etc.; and cleand and kept clean everything. My roommates (amateur, but fairly experienced, mechanics) thought I was being rather obsessive. On a related note (play), I noticed I was able to turn the input to my rear diff through very roughly 10-20 degrees before it wanted to turn the wheels. Is this OK? TIA Jason Addison ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 18:29:44 -0400 From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com> Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the >Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling >spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip >off for spares !) I believe the actual line was "self-propelled spare distributor cap". Thank you very much. ;-) And, in our further defense, I would like to point out that we were the only marque who policed their "line" after the show. All of the beer bottles (ALL!), the sandwich wrappers, and trash were disposed of properly. (Well, technically you could bust us for not recycling, but there were no recycling containers provided, and we're talking life-in-prison quantities of open containers here.) A survey of the other marques' areas showed that perhaps they should put a little less effort into cleaning their cars and a little more into keeping environment tidy. To quote Spenny, "We won't be oblivious for a couple of hours yet!" RoverOn! JAB == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== Guidance Counselor said your scores are anti-heroic. Computer recommends hard-drinking calypso poet. --Jimmy Buffett, If It All Falls Down (by Matt Betton) ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:10:45 -0400 Subject: Re: wheel width TeriAnn suggests: >The steel wheel that comes as a spare on US spec discoverys are 7 inches >wide, >fit a series car nicely, look good, and are inset enough to allow >265/75/16s fit within your wheel wells wall away from the wings. I remember reading in LRO mag the potential pitfalls of using RR/Disco alloy wheels on series LRs. Had to do with differences in hub diameters and the mechanism for centering the wheels. Don't remember the details, and don't know if it applies to these steel wheels. Also, using wheels with substantially increased offset will increase kickback and steering wheel pull when braking on split traction surfaces. Fortunately the full floating axles used on LRs should be less sensitive to the outward shift in wheel load on the axles than semi-floating axles. David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:29:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") Some good questions: >Now to the nitty gritty - as I plan to use this vehicle constantly and > have children, the question of safety has come to mind. All this talk > of roll bars, seat belts, ... I have added shoulder harnesses and a > lap belt in the front, plan to add in the back. No personal experience and no plans to conduct tests but several probably contraversial thoughts: There is a reason LR fitted the reinforcement brackets to the wheelhouses when fitting rear seat belts in 88" LRs. The mounting of all seat belts was revised numerous times between the mid '60s and '85. Follow the later paractices, there were good reasons for the changes. Anyone sitting in a sidefacing seat is vulnerable in a side impact due to head impact with the inside of the top. I can't think of any easy way to alleviate this. If a roll cage is installed, pad it anywhere a head could strike it. I'm not sure I would automatically assume suburban driving is higher risk than rural driving. Probably you're at greater risk for fender benders in the suburbs but high speed collisions are not as clear. Finally there is no risk free vehicle or activity. Series LRs are higher risk than many other vehicles, and lower risk than others. The biggest risk factor though is the driver, so drive carefully, and don't think you can get away with something just this one time. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gonzalez del Cid." <jtge@guate.net> Subject: Range Rover Wheels Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:31:29 -0600 I recently bought a 1975 Range Rover in fair condition, and I'm planning on restoring it. I was wondering if I somebody knows where I can buy a set of used wheels in the United States, the ones that came with the 1990-1995 classic Range Rover, and the price. I live in Guatemala, so I would shipp the wheels to Miami, and then to Guatemala. Thanks for any information, Jose Gonzalez jtge@guate.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gonzalez del Cid." <jtge@guate.net> Subject: Range Rover Wheels Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:36:16 -0600 I own a 1975 Range Rover. I want to find 4 used wheels of a 1990-1995 Range Rover, in the United States, so if any one knows or have the wheels, please contact me at jtge@guate.net Thanks Jose Gonzalez ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:21:17 -0700 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the LROs At 5:05 PM 9/26/96 -0400, William Caloccia wrote: >Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling ;spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip off >for spares !) ; Bud? The other TR people are right, that is tacky. At 9 AM, Lattes, tea and fresh squeezed orange juce is the order of the time, unless the party is still going from last night. Then around 11 perhaps one could get out the microbrews Bud? Tacky TeriAnn - A California TR3 and 109 owner. Maybe I've been around too many Plushmobile owners lately? TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:46:28 -0700 From: Mike Hooker <mhooker@compusmart.ab.ca> Subject: 127 Siting! Nearly drove off the highway to-day (14 near Edmonton,Alberta)when I spotted a 127 Hi-Capacity Crew Cab Pickup heading in the opposite direction(divided Hiway, of course).White over Coniston Green.Can only assume? that it belongs to the Brit contingent at C.F.B. Wainwright and was heading to the new base at Nameo.(Definitely not a brush paint job like their 90's, though).Can anyone confirm? Gave chase but lost him... Mike (I'd give my left .....for one of those) Hooker ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the It's always happy hour somewhere....and there's bound to be a Rover there too! Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, QROVER80@aol.com wrote: >I fully understand... I feel humbled by their achivements. I would nominate >Eric for the towball as Spenney didn't actually TOW anything. There is the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >save on gas. >Rgds Quintin Actually, to Spen's credit, he did pay for the gas....and he even drove. I had a hard time getting him out from behind the wheel, though! Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:35:57 -0400 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: 1961 2.25 engine colour Hello again, just saw a 1961 88" w/plow for sale that has 16,000 miles on the odometer, but it could be 116,000 miles... I noticed that the engine block is blue. Is it the original colour or was the engine painted in the last rebuilt. Engine sounds great, but the carb (Holley?) leaks like if it was British.... Thanks for the reply, >From the townships, Michel Bertrand ______ Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, / __ / \ 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) | Lucas | 1968 109 SW (in the works) | Inside | 1973 88 SW (21st century project) \ / \______/ mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address! ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding Some thoughts that came to my mind that day while listening to the different class awards (I missed the plane tickets by 1 number!) were: 1. I did not notice any LR owners filling out any judging forms. 2. Every LR there is probably used year round while the other 500 British auto there may see sunlight 2 month out of the year. Jeff Kessler 1988 Range Rover Newport NH USA 603-863-7883 lmkessler@srnet.com At 05:05 PM 9/26/96 -0400, you wrote: >Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling >spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip off [ truncated by lro-digester (was 42 lines)] >'74 TR6 >CF 18928 >End forwarded messages 1,2 ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:13:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> Subject: RR frame rot repaired Thanks to all who responded to my questions for dealing with frame rot on our RR. The rotted area was on the frame section alongside and facing the right side catalyst just down from the right exhaust header. The rotted area was over a foot (1/3 meter) longand ran under the frame cross member and wrapped onto the bottom side of the frame. Instead of following the instructions I was sent and finding a MIG welder, I went to DAP and had them do the work. I also wanted it fixed before off roading this weekend. They did a great job on the frame, changed the tranny oil and filter (since the cross member was out) and charged less than they estimated (always nice). But it does sound like I need to check one exhaust pipe clamp. The heat from the catalyst realy did a number on the metal. We dropped the cut out section on the floor and it shattered like a dinner plate. Brittle! Certainly an area to check on the older RRs. Jeff Kessler 1988 Range Rover Newport NH USA 603-863-7883 lmkessler@srnet.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> wrote: >Some thoughts that came to my mind that day while listening to the different >class awards (I missed the plane tickets by 1 number!) were: >1. I did not notice any LR owners filling out any judging forms. While watching several others fill out forms, I joined a conversation about the judging. We all agreed that judging another's Rover would be akin to commenting on their lifestyle. In many cases, your Rover is an extension of your personality...how can another judge that? Its wonderful to be part of a group of people that values individuality as highly as that...something disturbingly lacking in much of today's society. >2. Every LR there is probably used year round while the other 500 British >auto there may see sunlight 2 month out of the year. Yeah, ain't it great? Just my $.02... Rgds, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:59:58 -0400 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: Re: Range Rover Wheels At 17:31 96-09-26 -0600, you wrote: I was wondering if I somebody knows where I can buy a set of used wheels >in the United States, the ones that came with the 1990-1995 classic Range >Rover, and the price. Don't know if that helps you out, but there is a guy in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, who sells anf fixes Jaguars. At one point, he bought out a Jag dealer that was also selling Range Rovers. He had a bunch of wheels with tires of 1990-1993 Range Rovers. Montreal customers wanted some kind of fancy mag wheels so the dealer kept the original ones. His phone number is 514-444-2900 and he was selling them fairly cheap. Don't know the country code, though. Hope it helps, >I live in Guatemala, so I would shipp the wheels to Miami, and then to >Guatemala. If from Montreal, it might be simpler to ship direct to Guatemala, on a boat. Good luck!! Salutations, Michel Bertrand ______ Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, / __ / \ 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) | Lucas | 1968 109 SW (in the works) | Inside | 1973 88 SW (21st century project) \ / \______/ mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address! ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:24:34 -0400 From: Steve MARGOLIS <sim1@cornell.edu> Subject: Safety in aluminum cans (Series I) One thing that always made me a little nervous about driving around in my 107 SW was the fuel tank hanging down under the passenger seat (lhd) with nothing between it and the bumper of any idiot running a red light or stop sign. Generally speaking, passengers didn't get nervous about it unless I stopped for gas and they had to get out so I could lift the seat to get to the filler cap. One safety feature that has gradually been built into cars since the Mercedes and Rover 2000s of the 1960s has been the crumple zones. In a Land Rover the other vehicle is your crumple zone. On an unrelated note, are any of you from the Memphis area? A reply to my e-mail address would be nice. I'll be in Memphis next Tuesday for at least six to eight months. Steve Margolis - Ithaca, NY 1957 107 Station Wagon, Series I, Still in kit form in Maine (Damn!) serial number 13470093 engine number 114707468 ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:26:54 -0400 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: Re: Re[2]: your mail At 10:10 96-09-26 -0400, you wrote: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)] > in Communist Post/US Snail). This also puts Eric way ahead of > Michel for Towball... > Rgds, Well, now, we are talking my kind of business, since I was awarded the Towball award last year... It's not just a question of mileage, here that is in question, but also the general conditions of the towing. Let me explain: It is much easier to flat tow an 88 on a rural highway than to find the truck ditched in the woods, pulling it out of the mud and then getting the whole rig out of the muck you are stuck into and then, drive the 300 miles that get you home. If you think that pulling yourself out of a mud hole is easy, try it with an 88 attached in the back. Oh, did I mention that it was missing tie-rods. Now that was funny. Also, I think that towing through big-city traffic jams where the cars don't come with any kind of flashers like Montreal must count for some extra points, too. Also, the little extras that happen on the way count, too. On the way back from Gaspesie witha 109 ( a 12 hour drive), I blew the rear diff of the 109: there was a small leak in the housing and the diff needs oil. (Except for Dixon's rear diff which has a special lube in the metal, hence oil-less diff). In conclusion, the harder it is to drive the thing home, the more points you get... Did I get it right, Dixon Now, before the Christmas party where the prize will be awarded, I have to fetch a 109 SW in the Great White North, which includes 200 miles of dirt road... I just can't wait! Drive safely, Michel, from the Townships, Michel Bertrand ______ Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, / __ / \ 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) | Lucas | 1968 109 SW (in the works) | Inside | 1973 88 SW (21st century project) \ / \______/ mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address! ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 03:36:57 -0400 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: Re: Shopping Spree (Woohoo!) At 08:16 96-09-26 EST, you wrote: >Last night I did a little shopping. snip Sure >enough, they had a steering stabilizer listed, so I found it on the shelf along >with all the associated brackets and bought it. snip What's the name of the aftermarket product? part number? I certainly need one, with the 16" wheels, it looks like a necessity. Thanks! Michel Bertrand ______ Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, / __ / \ 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) | Lucas | 1968 109 SW (in the works) | Inside | 1973 88 SW (21st century project) \ / \______/ mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address! ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:25:21 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc. >Actually, to Spen's credit, he did pay for the gas....and he even drove. >I had >a hard time getting him out from behind the wheel, though! >Eric Putting on weight is he?Try a tyre iron next time Eric..... Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:01:48 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Feelin' good (And nothing >fell off!) >-- >Nate Dunsmore Now *that's* what I call tempting providence:-) Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:33:11 -0400 From: agscsmps@post.kosone.com (G.Stoneham) Subject: 109 Station Wagon frame I wonder if someone could tell me if the protuberance on the passenger side of the frame ,at the front of the vehicle,behind the bumper mount is original or a modification made by the previous owner? (It looks like some kind of mounting bracket similar to an upper shock mount but it projects down) Thanks. ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960927 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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