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1 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob17Re[2]: your mail
2 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D16Speeds up when you slow down!!
3 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob37Shopping Spree (Woohoo!)
4 Stephen Brown [sbrown@tr53Running rough in Vermont
5 Hank_Lapa_at_PO-PLAZA1@S5[not specified]
6 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A5Re: Running rough in Vermont
7 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D24Clay bottomed run-off
8 "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@62RE: Wading plugs for the D90? and pass. side heating vents on the
9 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r50Roll Bars
10 "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu24Anti-gravity (was Re: Roll Bars)
11 "Herman L. Stude" [herma6Re: wheel width
12 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em19Re: wheel width
13 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em19Re: Re[2]: your mail
14 QROVER80@aol.com 9Towball ?
15 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em17Re: Towball ?
16 blainh@accent.net (Blain20Database and Dormobiles
17 jouster@rocket.com (John30Valve stem seals.02
18 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em28Re: Database and Dormobiles
19 Harincar@mooregs.com (Ti30Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW
20 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em25Re: Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW
21 twakeman@scruznet.com (T20Re: wheel width
22 "Christopher H. Dow" [do20More Headlamp Data
23 QROVER80@aol.com 24Re: Towball ?
24 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A5Re: Towball ?
25 rscholl@lib.com 29Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88")
26 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A5Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88")
27 jouster@rocket.com (John27Safety in aluminum cans,109
28 ericz@cloud9.net 47Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.
29 jouster@rocket.com (John20Valve stem seal TOOLS
30 Neil Taylor [Neil@lightw20Seats for a Lightweight
31 lopezba@atnet.at 30Re: Killed by our L-R
32 Chris Murray [murraycm@b34Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88")
33 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo116Re: Killed by our L-R
34 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo123Feelin' good
35 "David Lee" [DJFLee@msn.17RE: Nice tires, man...
36 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us16Re: Safety in aluminum cans,109
37 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em19Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.
38 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us16Re: Feelin' good
39 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us17Nice tires, man...again!
40 William Caloccia [calocc43[not specified]
41 QROVER80@aol.com 11Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.
42 Addison [jraddiso@slate.45Play in Gears
43 Jeffrey A Berg [jeff@pur35Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the
44 Wdcockey@aol.com 23Re: wheel width
45 Wdcockey@aol.com 37Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88")
46 "Gonzalez del Cid." [jtg17Range Rover Wheels
47 "Gonzalez del Cid." [jtg12Range Rover Wheels
48 twakeman@scruznet.com (T25Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the LROs
49 Mike Hooker [mhooker@com14127 Siting!
50 ericz@cloud9.net 9Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the
51 ericz@cloud9.net 16Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.
52 Michel Bertrand [mbertra261961 2.25 engine colour
53 Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm22Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding
54 Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm28RR frame rot repaired
55 ericz@cloud9.net 27Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the
56 Michel Bertrand [mbertra40Re: Range Rover Wheels
57 Steve MARGOLIS [sim1@cor23Safety in aluminum cans (Series I)
58 Michel Bertrand [mbertra49Re: Re[2]: your mail
59 Michel Bertrand [mbertra33Re: Shopping Spree (Woohoo!)
60 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik12Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.
61 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik11Re: Feelin' good
62 agscsmps@post.kosone.com12109 Station Wagon frame


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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 07:46:32 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: your mail

> (Hint: His initials ar S.N.)  

 Do tell more...  I can probably come pretty close in my guess.
 Lemme see, something to do with alloy and steel lumps that sit under
 the floorboards and seatbox...  This mean I get one back?

> I just love trailering up and down the eastern seaboard!!!

Hmm...Could qualify for the Lugnut AND the Towball, assuming we can have a 
"shared" prize...

So what was it?

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Speeds up when you slow down!!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 08:05:00 DST

Ian Harper writes "As I brake, coming to a stop, I notice that the engine
increases in revs,"

I had the same symptom. It is due to the servo being worn and leaking when 
the brakes are depressed coupled with a slow running mixture that is too 
rich. The leak weakens the mixture and the engine speeds up. My slow running 
adjustment screw (s.c. Weber) refused to stay set, so this provided a handy 
indication of the screw backing out. ie Engine speeds up when brakes applied 
= time to adjust the slow running screw; another convenient Land Rover owner 
service feature.

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 08:16:29 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Shopping Spree (Woohoo!)

Last night I did a little shopping. I picked up a 63 amp chevy alternator to 
provide the juice for my winch, and while I was at the Generic Parts Place I was
looking at shocks to see if they had Land Rovers listed in The Book. Sure 
enough, they had a steering stabilizer listed, so I found it on the shelf along 
with all the associated brackets and bought it. I then went to the Other Store, 
and the chap there found the right alternator on the shelf in all of ten 
seconds, whereas the Pep Boys guy kept telling me it didn't exist...I went home,
and sat and stared at this just under $200 pile of Parts That Probably Wont Fit,
and decided that the only thing to do was go outside and put on the damper.Ok, I
read the directions...(first mistake). Well, now which picture do I follow? 
There were three; Dodge, Ford and J**p. I thought the Ford set up looked most 
like the Rover so I tried something similar, making sure to constantly check 
that nothing was going to bind or rub while turning or bouncing around. I put 
all the brackets on and bolted everything up, making sure to torque the U-Bolt 
nuts WAY TOO TIGHT. One of them snapped before I realized I had misunderstood 
the directions. Well, no great loss, the other ones are all just as tight and 
are probably a gnat's ass away from exceeding their tensile strengths...All said
and done, with the clock striking on the midnight hour (ooh, poetic) I hopped in
for a test drive. It works!! I went for a spin over some roads that usually 
produce a bit of feedback in the steering wheel, and its just plain GONE. I 
definitely recommend this to anyone that has: 

1: a good, tight steering sytem
2: a chassis that doesn't have a bracket for a factory damper
3: Nothing better to do
4: The ability to use channel-lock pliers for EVERYTHING
5: A penchant for resting their head on hard concrete for extended periods of   
   time, preferably with lots of small pebbles to break up the monotony.
6: No qualms about originality. 

Cheers
Dave "Impulse Purchases r' us"

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:34:05 -0400
From: Stephen Brown <sbrown@trek.ned.ara.com>
Subject: Running rough in Vermont

Oddest thing ---

I just moved from Cedar Crest, New Mexico to Brookfield, Vermont about
two months ago -- about 6000+ feet elevation drop. My 1960 Series II
"Baldrick" has not run quite right since. I didn't drive it here, so
it isn't worn out yet!

The problem -- "plinking" when going up hills or
accelerating. Misfiring when using the engine to slow me down hills.

Neither of these were a real problem before I moved.

I've solved the plinking problem for the time being by advancing the
timing to 6 deg btdc instead of 3 and burning 92 octane premium
instead of regular -- expensive though! I used to burn regular in NM,
with no problems. No amount of fiddling with timing, points, idle
mixture will quell the misfiring though. Oddly enough, there is plenty
of power -- in fact more so than in NM, the rover eats the Vermont
hills and seems to be well suited to windy farm roads!

Some facts: About 80,000 miles on the odometer -- I believe it is
correct. I have a weber carb from Rovers North, about 1.5 years old
-- jetted for a landrover by the factory. Just before I moved I put in
new points, plugs, wires, distributor cap, and fitted an electonic
ignition system of my own manufacture. The ignition system can be
switched back to the old system at the flick of a switch -- it seems
to make no difference to these problems -- it just adds more power at
low rpms. I just put in a new ignition coil (landrover part) to match
my new push-in wires last Saturday in the Rovers North parking lot,
some improvement in smoothness, but not the solution to my woes.

Before I moved, I put a small can of "tecron" (You know -- Chevron's
cute little talking cars by Nick Park) stuff in the gas tank, to clean
the carburetor (exactly why I don't know, I was being exuberant -- I
happened to be buying some for my wife's fuel injected 88 RR. Putting
that stuff in the RR has helped it immensely to regain it's power and
stopped a stalling problem). I hope that didn't cause a burnt valve
or something or created carbon buildup???

As for the misfiring problem, I was wondering if my distributor could
be worn and sloppy or the vacuum advance was goofy enough to cause
erratic ignition?

Any thoughts or ideas are welcome!

				Stephen Brown
				sbrown@ned.ara.com
				browns@sover.net

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:01:24 -0400
From: Hank_Lapa_at_PO-PLAZA1@SIGNALCORP.COM (Hank Lapa)

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 26 Sep 96  8:50:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Running rough in Vermont

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Clay bottomed run-off
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 09:09:00 DST

Rich Sloan asks "Okay now open your eyes and give me some advice about 
crossing streams and
small rivers with clay bottom beds."

The Niagara Peninsula also is noted for its clay,  especially in the spring 
when it's still frozen 6 inches down (Just ask "limey in exile" Bill 
Leacock) . Recommended equipment is Hilift with large board to spead load, 
traction ladders/mats (solid type - again to spread load), old disposable 
clothing and plastic seat covers. Also some light lines to attach to the 
traction ladders and jack board, these enable you to extract them from the 
mud after use. Basically when you become totally mired raise the vehicle and 
place mats under wheels, move forward or back as far as you can retrieve 
mats and repeat. It's wonderful aerobic exercise which goes well with an 
appreciation of the remote wilderness and the stars, but you'll probably be 
so tired you'll sleep like a log and never see any stars.

Good luck
Trevor Easton

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@ingr.com>
Subject: RE: Wading plugs for the D90? and pass. side heating vents on    the
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 09:13:00 PDT

Thanks for the plug info.  Actually, the marine plugs were by boat-owning   
friend's idea (he had a boat sink before buying the type of plug I   
mentioned) so I can't take credit.

I think the 94 and 95 D90s were the same as far as heat vents go.   
 However, if you have that HUGE a/c unit under the dash, your passenger   
side heating vent (underneath) is covered by the a/c.  Some D90 guys on   
the list have mentioned (just recently) about running a hose from the   
passenger side heating vent out from behind the a/c or cutting a hole   
through the a/c and running a vent.

Also, to avoid driver's hot foot, I applied a heater vent cover that I   
can adjust the amount of heat coming out.  I got if from a junk yard, but   
I think it may have been from a Miata.

I would have had the same problem because I had the a/c for about 1 week   
and had the dealer take it back.  When I ordered a/c, it was sight   
unseen.  As soon as I climbed in my D90 after having the a/c installed.   
 I bashed my legs (I'm 6'2" - most of it being leg) and ran inside to ask   
what they had done to my poor D90...  To get it returned, I had to make a   
big "stink" for them to take it back.  Ever since then, they have bent   
over backwards to try to help.  I really felt bad about having to   
complain to such a degree...

Mail me if you have any other questions.

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
The proud owner of a new heater muff.  Yeah I know, big deal, but I hate   
to freeze...

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From:  Chris Brosious[SMTP:brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, September 25, 1996 10:59 AM
Subject:  Re: Wading plugs for the D90?

Hi Doug,
wish I had known about the Marine plugs some time ago; I used the rubber
freeze plugs for the drain holes in my old Land Cruiser.  I checked
under my Defender, and I have some plastic plugs already fitted into the
drain holes under the seats.  I think there are a couple more drain
holes in the back, somewhere near or under the rear speakers and also
some under where the rear seat is; these should be plugged leaving the
factory and are also covered by the rubber mat.

Got another question for you, you have a '95 Defender.  How is the
heating routed to the passanger compartment?   My '94 has the A/C
installed and there is only 1 small hole for the heat to come out just
under the drivers seat.  Its a drag - I get cooked while everyone else
freezes.  I've heard, but have not seen, that the '95's have a vent on
the passenger side too.  What's the story?
Thanks for the info,

Chris
'94 D90

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:10:23 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Roll Bars

Have a look at: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/hy24/safety.htm

Safety devices make very good (but not so cheap) roll cages & bars.

They also send nice catalogues for free!

The people who get out of accidents un-harmed put it down to seats, seat
belts and rollcages.

If your belts don't hold you into your seat & your seat doesn't stop you
bouncing round the inside the roof landing on you head is just another
problem. Neck and back injuries are caused by poor seats (unless to roof
really does drop on your head!).

Your normal off road roll over is sideways at about 2 MPH on a side
slope, you just plop onto the side with little momentum

A roll bar mounted on the body will hold you on most of these, as would
a hard top with all it's bolts in (probably)

The problem comes when you roll with momentum, say down a long hill. By
the time you have gone over 3 or 4 times and landed against a tree a
chassis mounted roll bar, bucket seats & 4 point harnesses are looking
like a really good idea.

All RAC approved cages will take 7.5 times the weight of the vehicle
(and driver) without deformation on the roof. I can't remember the specs
for the other directions, but they are 2-3 times the combined weight or
something.

To have a roll cage (which will cost 2/3 of a real one) which is not up
to this sounds of little use. Same goes for seat without head rests

If you are going to fit a cage, fit high backed seats with head rests as
well.

Roll bars are not required on new vehicles as they are fitted with cats.
Everybody knows that cats always land right way up :-)

Drive safely, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:37:03 +0000
Subject: Anti-gravity (was Re: Roll Bars)

Quoting Steve Reddock, from 26 Sep 96

> Roll bars are not required on new vehicles as they are fitted with cats.
> Everybody knows that cats always land right way up :-)
How to make an Anit-Gravity device:

Glue some bread, ladled with real butter and rasberry jam, onto a cats 
back and toss out the windows.

Because a cat always lands on it's feet, and the bread always lands 
butter-side down, the whole thing floats in the air, rotating about a 
longditudinal axis

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

    Lucas, SIII 109. "4 knobs are better than 3!"

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:34:18 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: wheel width

Wheel width for stock 15" wheels should be 6"

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: wheel width

On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, M. ABERCROMBIE wrote:

> I have another question about wheels.  Does anyone know what the width of
> the LR stock 15" wheel is?  If it is under 6 1/2 inches, does any one have a
> set of 16" wheels that they want to part with?  

	5" I believe.

	The 88" 16" wheels are 5" in width
	The 109" 16" wheels are 5.5" in width

	If you need/want 6.5", you need something different.

>.

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:10:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: your mail

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> Hmm...Could qualify for the Lugnut AND the Towball, assuming we can have a 
> "shared" prize...

	Eric qualifies for Towball since he did the towing (though there is
	good reason to give him a share of the Lugnut for doing said towing
	too), Spenny the Lugnut.  Current Lugnut leader is in for loading
	up a 109, dropping a heavy object on the gate and catching a wee
	bit male anatomy in the drop...  (see latest newsletter, lost somewhere
	in Communist Post/US Snail).  This also puts Eric way ahead of 
	Michel for Towball...

	Rgds,

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:49:34 -0400
Subject: Towball ?

Out of curiosity :-) Just what does one do to qualify for these prestigious
awards?
Quintin ( is that truck still back there? ) Aspin

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:02:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Towball ?

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 QROVER80@aol.com wrote:

> Out of curiosity :-) Just what does one do to qualify for these prestigious
> awards?

	WHo tows the most LR stuff the greatest distance over a year.  Bonus
	points for those journeys that didn't require the tow in the first
	place.  (Lots of bonus points for people like Spenny...)

> Quintin ( is that truck still back there? ) Aspin
	
	This would be an 88" that is currently leading the pack...

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:18:17 -0500
From: blainh@accent.net (Blain Hughes)
Subject: Database and Dormobiles

       For the database,I have a Series 111 SWB 1972 which is a sickening
green colour which I call "Urologist Green".
        I will soon be the owner of Series 11a SWB (as soon as I can drag
the beast home). I have a galavinised frame which I am going to install
under this gem if finances permit. I will keep the list informed.

        Dormobiles: Can someone please post the address of the Dormobile
Club.

        Thanks Blain
        Austin Healey 100/6
        Land-Rover Series 111 SWB
        Rover P6
        Coming Soon LR Series 11a SWB
        One angry wife

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:22:23 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Valve stem seals.02

>If anyone has done a spring removal this way, I would love to hear about the 
>actuality.

Having successfully replaced stem seals several dozen times on brit, german, 
italian, jap and us vehicles, with the heads in place, I can recommend a 
tool that makes it easier. Mine has no identifying marks, but I'll try to 
describe it: a chromed steel cylinder about 1.5 inch diameter by 6 inch long 
having a .75 inch hole in one end. The hole is lined with a powerful 
magnetic material. The opposite end is beveled to allow striking with a 
hammer. The tool is placed over the valve stem/spring/retainer and struck 
with a hammer (The valve is held closed with air pressure). The spring and 
retainer are thereby compressed and the keepers are grabbed by the magnet. 
The spring/retainer and tool rebound free of the valve. Place tool on valve, 
bang, the spring's free. Fish the keepers out of magnet with fingers. There 
is a second part to the tool that fits into the hole that reinstalls the 
spring and keepers, again by hammer power. I don't recall the original 
source for the tool, but Snap-on, KD, NAPA, etc, seem logical places. Of 
course, this only applies to stem seals that are on the outside of the valve 
guides.

A side note: be sure that the piston is at bottom dead center before 
applying air pressure.

'64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoody)
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:30:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Database and Dormobiles

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Blain Hughes wrote:

>         Dormobiles: Can someone please post the address of the Dormobile
> Club.

	http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/FAQ.5.clubs.usa.html

	or

Dormobile Owners Club 

     attn: ecrovers@midcoast.com (Mike Smith), 
		50 Harden Ave., 
		Camden, ME 04843
     Tel: (207) 236-8162
     Web: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
     Fees: L15 (pounds) US/year and L10 (pounds) UK/year
     Newsletter: bi-monthly, 30pp, mostly Land Rover Dormobiles
     Coverage: International
     Size: growing
     Profile: Dormobiles
     Established: 1993
     Last Contact: Fall 1995

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:35:04 -0500
Subject: Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW

Not to pick nits with Peter who wrote:

> 244229789, 1966, Series IIa, '88', Station Wagon, Tropical Roof, Red,   
Island
  ^^^                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LHD 88" Export Station Wagons would have a serial number beginning with   
318, and I think the standard hard tops had serno's that started with   
244. Tropical roofs were optional, I believe, on the hard tops. A true   
SW, and people can correct me if I'm mistaken here, would have alpine   
windows, roof vents, interior trim, jump seats, sliding rear windows and   
a nice little badge on the back - and those items were not available on   
HTs (? - maybe roof vents came with the tropical roof).

Otherwise, it sounds identical to mine! Ray Harder is (was) also building   
a red '66 88" SW. What is it about red station wagons... :-)

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

   

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:44:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Series Database (or what makes a SW a SW

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Tim Harincar-MS wrote:

> > 244229789, 1966, Series IIa, '88', Station Wagon, Tropical Roof, Red,   
> Island
> LHD 88" Export Station Wagons would have a serial number beginning with   
> 318, and I think the standard hard tops had serno's that started with   
> 244. Tropical roofs were optional, I believe, on the hard tops. A true   

	http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/FAQ.4.Chassis_Numbers.type.html

	or

                        88" incl   88" StnWgn
                        StnWgn     post -       109"       109"
          Petrol        pre-010365 March 1 65             StnWgn
            Home RHD    24100001A  31500001B  25100001A  26100001A
            Export RHD  24200001A  31600001B  25200001A  26200001A
            CKD RHD     24300001A  31700001B  25300001A  26300001A
            Export LHD  24400001A  31800001B  25400001A  26400001A
            CKD LHD     24500001A  31900001B  25500001A  26500001A

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:45:00 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: wheel width

At  9:48 AM 9/26/96 -0400, Dixon Kenner wrote:
>.
>        The 88" 16" wheels are 5" in width
>        The 109" 16" wheels are 5.5" in width
>.
>        If you need/want 6.5", you need something different.
>        The 109" 16" wheels are 5.5" in width
..
The steel wheel that comes as a spare on US spec discoverys are 7 inches wide,
fit a series car nicely, look good, and are inset enough to allow
265/75/16s fit within your wheel wells wall away from the wings.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:17:43 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: More Headlamp Data

When I sent my son out to the rover last night to get his school pack, he
came back in saying that the lights were on.  Well, I knew this could not
be the case, as the lights don't work!  But when I looked out the window at
the driveway, the parking lights were, indeed, on.  I went out and switched
them over to the headlamps and voila!, they worked.  I then went back in
and got the keys.  When I  turned the key to the 'on' position, the lights
went out.  

I was wondering if this sounds familiar to anyone?  I'm going to attack
this problem this weekend and any further information (in addition to the
great tips I've already gotten) would be much appreciated.

Chris
'65 88" IIA SW (the one with the lights that don't work)
'96 Disco

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:54:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Towball ?

Towing Rovers
SO FAR this year:
One round trip From the Balt-Wash area to Maine ( Down East )
                      1300+ 
One round trip From the Balt-Wash area to Armah  Pa
                                        525
Both using a 1971 Range Rover to flat tow the 80"
Eight (with another Monday ) One way flat tows from the port. 47 miles each.
  376
One tow to pick up the NADA
                                                95
One delivery flat tow of the NADA.               35
One round trip towing the "dormobile" to Carlisle PA and alas back
         175
Total 1/1/96 to 9/25/96            2506
I will probably be towing something to the ROAV rally
ALL these are FLAT tows with a tow bar
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 26 Sep 96 13:09:02 EDT
Subject: Re: Towball ?

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 13:59:56 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88")

     Hi all!
     
     I don't know if you noticed a little traffic I have generated here in 
     your forum but I have been watching and been involved with a few 
     questions and answers.  
     
     I would like to start off by supporting the enthusiasm we all share 
     for our trucks and let you know how much I enjoy mine as it has become 
     a daily drive, utility, and pleasure vehicle for the family.  Tonight 
     we plan to visit a local antique rally so others can see the mighty 
     beast.
     
     Now to the nitty gritty - as I plan to use this vehicle constantly and 
     have children, the question of safety has come to mind.  All this talk 
     of roll bars, seat belts, ...    I have added shoulder harnesses and a 
     lap belt in the front, plan to add in the back.  Basically, has anyone 
     seen (or tested) the durability in a collision?  I hope not but I am 
     curious as to whether the family is asking for a disaster since we are 
     temporarily in a less rural & more suburban area.  Please advise.
     
     Ray Scholl  (rfs)
     rscholl@lib.com
     1970 SIIa 88" daily driver (no name yet, although it looks necessary)
     1960 SII  88" project to sell

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 26 Sep 96 14:31:24 EDT
Subject: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88")

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:03:09 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Safety in aluminum cans,109

Ray asks:
>     Now to the nitty gritty - as I plan to use this vehicle constantly and 
>     have children, the question of safety has come to mind.  All this talk 
>     of roll bars, seat belts, ...    I have added shoulder harnesses and a 
>     lap belt in the front, plan to add in the back.  Basically, has anyone 
>     seen (or tested) the durability in a collision?  I hope not but I am 

Here are some severe ones I've seen. Briefly:1) self and wife rearended by 
subaru doing 95, us doing 55 pulling utility trailer. Lap and shoulder belts 
worked well, headrests, seatbacks and the bar behind the seats were bent. My 
wife is fully recovered, I'm still having some neck problems after two 
years. Our 109 is still driven daily. 2) "Orange crush" was another 109 
which had a front tire blowout entering the freeway (50-60mph+), hitting a 
concrete divider end-on, flipping upside down, landing on roof, (5-door, no 
rollbar). Driver was bruised, wearing lap and shoulder belts. Vehicle was 
totalled, but drivable. 3) Terianns Dormobile top came from another 109 that 
was totaled. Perhaps she can fill in the details? 4) a military 88 with 
rollbar rolled sideways down a long hill (1/2 mile), driver wearing lap and 
shoulder belts, driver walked away (broken arm?), vehicle totalled, but 
drivable.

JohnO

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:04:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.

OK, it seems time to clear the waters a bit so that those who were not involved 
in the debacle....can keep with the discussion.

A couple days before the British Invasion in Stowe, I got a panicked call from 
Spenny: net effect, his transmission had gone south and his only hope of getting 
the Rover repaired was to deliver it to a friend near Stowe and install a 
replacement tranny conveniently provided by Dixon.

Having a (infamous) reputation for flat towing my father's 109" back and forth 
to the Downeast in Maine, it seemed that I had the proper expertise to get 
Spen's Rover ro Vermont.  Conveniently assured that Haverhill, Mass. is on the 
way to Stowe fron NYC (it isn't, unless you consider ARB locker physics), I 
planned to set off for Mass.

Since I was planning to caravan with Jeff Berg anyway, he and I decided to throw 
his Rover on the trailer for the first half of the trip.  Spen and his friend, 
Kirk, followed in a VW Golf.

Upon arrival at our assigned destination, Jeff's Rover was off-loaded and I 
drove Spen's onto the trailer.  "Funny", I thought, "the Wayback Machine seems 
to run fine....assuming you don't consider the black smoke from the tailpipe, or 
the buklhead which deflects three inches each time you turn the wheel....oh 
well, he should know what a sour transmission sounds like."

The rest of the trip went fine...the Rover was delivered without incident and we 
all repaired to Stowe to join in the festivities.  Favorite quote: "We're not 
oblivious....its at least a couple hours untill we're oblivious!"  (Spenny) 

Sunday afternoon, I went to pick up the trailer an check how Spen was doing.  I 
was presented with a partially disassembled Rover and a bent bolt.  The bolt, it 
seems, had come loose and was rubbing on the inside of the front tire....this 
was the transmission noise that I had heard so much about!  After attempting to 
strangle Spen, I calmed down enough to help put the vehicle back together and 
get him on his way.

Net effect.  Spenny is very red-faced.  I just trailered a serviceable Rover 250 
miles, and now it seems we're both candidates for the Towball and Lugnut awards. 
You just can't win.

Rgds,
Eric

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:22:21 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Valve stem seal TOOLS

(SNIP) the original source for the tool, but Snap-on, KD, NAPA, etc, seem 
logical places. Of course, this only applies to stem seals that are on the 
outside of the valve guides.

I found the tool listed in my old MAC Tool Catalog:
VT100, "Auto Valve Tool"
VT200, "Truck Valve Tool" (presumably a larger size)

The "Airhold" tool (basically an airhose with special fittings) is part 
number OV1418 (for 14mm and 18mm sparkplug holes)

JohnO

'64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoody)
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 18:44:39 +0100
From: Neil Taylor <Neil@lightwht.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Seats for a Lightweight

I am currently in the process of rebuilding my 1981 Series III
Lightweight. Having struggled for many miles on the existing 'seats', I
would like to replace them with something that can be classed as a seat.
I would also like to put in a central cubby box as well. Does anyone
have any suggestions for suitable seats, bearing in mind I am 6'4" and I
don't wish to put in external fuel fillers.

Will the Trakker seats shown in LRO be suitable considering my height,
and the width restrictions of the Lightweight?

Thanks in advance.

Neil Taylor.

   'I must be a real enthusiast. Both my Land-Rovers are broke.'

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:46:26 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Killed by our L-R

Bill Adams wrote:
-I hate to be morbid, and I'm sorry to hear somebody died trying to have 
-fun, but I think we all realize these trucks are going to kill us. One 
-way or another, either rapidly through direct physical violation or 
-slowly, by years of tedious work, exposure to toxic materials and oils, 
-worry over every new noise, illness due to drafty winter driving, 
-constant hammering of the gluteal region or plain old exhaustion from 
-pushing it off the highway one more time.

Here we have a phrase I use at the office a lot:
Was uns nicht umbringt, macht uns nur haerter
(Whatever does not kill us directly just makes us harder to kill)
So our cars, on the contrary, will make the ones with the good genes live 
even longer because of the constant exercise and immunisation they provide. 
Survival of the fittest! You can't evade the laws of Darwin! (Not in 
aBritish car, at least).

-Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner 

Is that a motor bike, btw?
Regards

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:52:01 -0900 (PDT)
From: Chris Murray <murraycm@bc.edu>
Subject: Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88") 

in my 88IIa.:
backing into a parking spot in boston.  small pontiac rear 
ended me at 50+mph.  

pontiac:
 totalled. 

Landy:
 rear crossmember suffered 
 a scratch to its fresh paint.  
 ripped mudflap.

passengers:

pontiac driver wearing belt with airbagn walked away

front rover occupants: with inertia shoulder harness sb's, no 
headrests or other modifications, no harm

rear occ: no seatbelts.  right pass fine.  left pass head hit some 
sharp point of metal somewhere back there (still Unknown)
lots of blood, screaming, ambulances, and fire trucks and police.  
needless tyo say, i saw her at a bar that same night.

while the truck itself could probably endure a cement wall at top 
speed from any direction, securing passengers and interior objects 
is essential

chris--

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:59:05 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Killed by our L-R

lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> Here we have a phrase I use at the office a lot:
> Was uns nicht umbringt, macht uns nur haerter
> (Whatever does not kill us directly just makes us harder to kill)

Sounds like Nietzsche, paraphrased : )
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:48:54 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Feelin' good

Hi all,

After reading about all those "hot rod rovers" that can get up to and
above
60 mph, I decided yesterday to see what I could manage out of the blue
brick.  Previously, I have only been able to get up to 52-55 mph, but
that was in part due to caution on my part.

Yesterday, I unlocked the hubs and headed for the freeway.

I was going 62 mph when I had to slow down for the traffic ahead of 
me.  Probably could've gotten 5 more mph out of it. Aside from the
increased wind buffetting, it was surprisingly smooth. (And nothing
fell off!)
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 20:07:55 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Nice tires, man...

A company called Olympic make a remould in the XCL pattern that is available 
in the UK. I don't know if you can obtain them in the US.
Though not crazy about remoulds I have fitted a pair as an experiment to the 
front of my 109. They are great in mud or sand, but wear away at a fantastic 
rate on tarmac. Since most of my driving is on road, I reckon I'll get about 
5000 miles out of them and then replace them with BFGs.
Anyone got any opinions on Trac Edge vs MT?

Dave Lee
Kinloss Scotland
109 Series III Safari
Truimph TR2

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 16:13:56 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Safety in aluminum cans,109

Dave Bobeck and I devised an excellent solution to head injury 
prevention:
Your favorite baseball cap with empty beer cans end-glued to it. This 
will provide omni-directional crumple zones upon impact.
Might save Chris Dow some of his ibuprofin money, since he'll have to 
scooch down a bit more.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> Net effect.  I just trailered a serviceable Rover 250 miles,

	Quintin...  This is a perfect example of how bonus points, or miles,
	are awarded to a person for the Towball award.  :-)

	There will be debate though whether Eric really should get the award,
	or if Spenny is really going for a double header.  The last time we had
	this particular example occur (about four years ago actually) the
	owner of the towed Land Rover won the towball (and missed out on the
	Lugnut.  There was a good crop that year...)

	

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 16:26:51 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Feelin' good

Nate, sorry to hear that you had to back off just as it was getting good!
You should do that more often to blow the cobwebs out. I always find my 
truck runs better days after a long highway run.
BTW, where did you find a speedometer that reads accurately? I always 
thought they were provided merely to inform you that the transmission was 
in gear.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover  S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 16:35:21 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Nice tires, man...again!

All I can say is that the Trac-Edge tires on Mark Tompkins' 109/10 are 
stunningly beautiful and snarly looking meats.(Am I still raving about 
his truck!?) I'm also sure that they're the only set in Maryland. (Make 
'em last Mr. T.) 
Mud-Terrains are probably made from a softer compound and will surely 
create an awesome din on the roadway. 'Less you're bog-slogging every 
weekend they're likely impractical.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Subject: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the LROs
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:05:41 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling 
spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip off
for spares !)

	--Bill

Forwarded Message 2 (from a friend who reads the Brit-Cars list)

	There was a report from a british-car/etc get-together in NH or VT
a week or two ago about the "uncivilized" LR owners, cooking eggs and drinking
bud(?!) at 9:00am, drinking more bud(?!), making jokes about the other british
cars there being too shiney, etc.  Pretty funny.

>Forwarded Message 1
>Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:47:23 GMT
>Subject: Rovers and bushes
>From: jmerone@vtetv.org (Joe Merone)

Actually the "Rover Guys" at the British Invasion are a welcome sight in a
weird sort of way.  After the quiet civility of the rest of the British car
world these guys lend a little pleasant diversion to the proceedings.  Kind
of like your outrageous brother in law who only comes to family functions at
Christmas.  The roofs of the Rovers are packed with supplies, hammocks strung
between them, and pulsating rock balances out the chamber music piped over
the field's sound system.  The dirtier the better as far as they're
concerned.  Did you see the one fitted out to work the farm fields with over
360,000 miles on it?  The best part is seeing one of those beasts from out of
the bush and their hung over occupants parked next to the new $70,000 model
complete with debutants who look like they overran the Banana Republic store
on the way to the show.  The only down side was that the whole line of them
was backed up to us TR6'ers so our view was slightly impared.

[other TR stuff deleted - wpc]

Joe Merone
'74 TR6
CF 18928 

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:18:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.

I fully understand...  I feel humbled by their achivements.  I would nominate
Eric for the towball as Spenney didn't actually TOW anything. There is the
Tom Sawyer / fence painting effect  to consider tho........ and Spenny DID
save on gas.
Rgds Quintin  

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:01:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Addison <jraddiso@slate.Mines.EDU>
Subject: Play in Gears

 
If this issue has already been addressed please let me know where I can 
find it in the digests; or, even better, how I can search the digests for 
various topics.

The following regards my '69 SW.

I've just finished rebuilding my gear box, transfer case, and front wheel 
drive selector (which was a serious achievement for me as I am completely 
new to auto mechanics-this was a tough introduction). I think I should have 
replaced most of my gears; 2 and 3 were a bit dinged up but nothing (I 
would call) structural, while 1 was pitted on the face of the teeth, 
esp. the small cog (the only one I replaced). You see, replacements were 
very expensive and my financial situation wasn't up to it.

Once the transfer case was finished I noticed when turning the output 
flange (right term?) there was some play in the gears (these looked very 
nice-like new?) Should these be tight?

The same story in the gear box but to a lesser extent. Again, should they 
be tight?

Once I combined the two units I could hear (listening very carefully) two 
distinct knocks when turning the input shaft. Upon the second the output 
flange would turn. There isn't much play but it is detectable. Now that I 
have the thing(s) back in I drove it about for a test without the floor 
and middle cover and can definitely hear the gears knocking each other 
when the power is applied and removed. (Normal? Bad? Acceptable?)

Note that I replaced all bearings, oil seals, etc.; and cleand and kept 
clean everything. My roommates (amateur, but fairly experienced, 
mechanics) thought I was being rather obsessive.

On a related note (play), I noticed I was able to turn the input to my 
rear diff through very roughly 10-20 degrees before it wanted to turn the 
wheels. Is this OK?

TIA

Jason Addison

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 18:29:44 -0400
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the

>Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling
>spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip
>off for spares !)

I believe the actual line was "self-propelled spare distributor cap".
Thank you very much. ;-)

And, in our further defense, I would like to point out that we were the
only marque who policed their "line" after the show.  All of the beer
bottles (ALL!), the sandwich wrappers, and trash were disposed of properly.
(Well, technically you could bust us for not recycling, but there were no
recycling containers provided, and we're talking life-in-prison quantities
of open containers here.)

A survey of the other marques' areas showed that perhaps they should put a
little less effort into cleaning their cars and a little more into keeping
environment tidy.  To quote Spenny, "We won't be oblivious for a couple of
hours yet!"

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	Guidance Counselor said your scores are anti-heroic.
	Computer recommends hard-drinking calypso poet.
	--Jimmy Buffett, If It All Falls Down (by Matt Betton)

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:10:45 -0400
Subject: Re: wheel width

TeriAnn suggests:
>The steel wheel that comes as a spare on US spec discoverys are 7 inches
>wide,
>fit a series car nicely, look good, and are inset enough to allow
>265/75/16s fit within your wheel wells wall away from the wings.

I remember reading in LRO mag the potential pitfalls of using RR/Disco alloy
wheels on series LRs. Had to do with differences in hub diameters and the
mechanism for centering the wheels. Don't remember the details, and don't
know if it applies to these steel wheels.

Also, using wheels with substantially increased offset will increase kickback
and steering wheel pull when braking on split traction surfaces. Fortunately
the full floating axles used on LRs should be less sensitive to the outward
shift in wheel load on the axles than semi-floating axles.

David Cockey

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:29:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Saftey in aluminum cans (LR 88")

Some good questions:
>Now to the nitty gritty - as I plan to use this vehicle constantly and 
>     have children, the question of safety has come to mind.  All this talk 
>     of roll bars, seat belts, ...    I have added shoulder harnesses and a 
>     lap belt in the front, plan to add in the back.

No personal experience and no plans to conduct tests but several probably
contraversial thoughts:

There is a reason LR fitted the reinforcement brackets to the wheelhouses
when fitting rear seat belts in 88" LRs. The mounting of all seat belts was
revised numerous times between the mid '60s and '85. Follow the later
paractices, there were good reasons for the changes.

Anyone sitting in a sidefacing seat is vulnerable in a side impact due to
head impact with the inside of the top. I can't think of any easy way to
alleviate this.

If a roll cage is installed, pad it anywhere a head could strike it.

I'm not sure I would automatically assume suburban driving is higher risk
than rural driving. Probably you're at greater risk for fender benders in the
suburbs but high speed collisions are not as clear.

Finally there is no risk free vehicle or activity. Series LRs are higher risk
than many other vehicles, and lower risk than others. The biggest risk factor
though is the driver, so drive carefully, and don't think you can get away
with something just this one time.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Gonzalez del Cid." <jtge@guate.net>
Subject: Range Rover Wheels
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:31:29 -0600

I recently bought a 1975 Range Rover in fair condition, and I'm planning on
restoring it.
 I was wondering if I somebody knows where I can buy  a set of used wheels
in the United States, the ones that came with the 1990-1995 classic Range
Rover, and the price.
I live in Guatemala, so I would shipp the wheels to Miami, and then to
Guatemala.
Thanks for any information,
Jose Gonzalez

jtge@guate.net

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From: "Gonzalez del Cid." <jtge@guate.net>
Subject: Range Rover Wheels
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:36:16 -0600

I own a 1975 Range Rover.  I want to find  4 used wheels of a 1990-1995
Range Rover, in the United States, so if any one knows or have the wheels,
please contact me at
jtge@guate.net
Thanks
Jose Gonzalez

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:21:17 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the LROs

At  5:05 PM 9/26/96 -0400, William Caloccia wrote:

>Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling
;spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip off
>for spares !)
;
Bud?  The other TR people are right, that is tacky.  At 9 AM, Lattes, tea
and fresh squeezed orange juce is the order of the time, unless the party
is still going from last night.  Then around 11 perhaps one could get out
the microbrews

Bud?  Tacky

TeriAnn - A California TR3 and 109 owner.

Maybe I've been around too many Plushmobile owners lately?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:46:28 -0700
From: Mike Hooker <mhooker@compusmart.ab.ca>
Subject: 127 Siting!

Nearly drove off the highway to-day (14 near Edmonton,Alberta)when I
spotted a 127 Hi-Capacity Crew Cab Pickup heading in the opposite
direction(divided Hiway, of course).White over Coniston Green.Can only
assume? that it belongs to the Brit contingent at C.F.B. Wainwright and
was heading to the new base at Nameo.(Definitely not a brush paint job
like their 90's, though).Can anyone confirm? Gave chase but lost him...

                                  Mike (I'd give my left .....for one
                                        of those) Hooker

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:37:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the

It's always happy hour somewhere....and there's bound to be a Rover there too!

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:41:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, QROVER80@aol.com wrote:
>I fully understand...  I feel humbled by their achivements.  I would nominate
>Eric for the towball as Spenney didn't actually TOW anything. There is the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>save on gas.
>Rgds Quintin  
Actually, to Spen's credit, he did pay for the gas....and he even drove.  I had 
a hard time getting him out from behind the wheel, though!

Eric

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:35:57 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: 1961 2.25 engine colour

Hello again, just saw a 1961 88" w/plow  for sale that has 16,000 miles on
the odometer, but it could be 116,000 miles...

I noticed that the engine block is blue. Is it the original colour or was
the engine painted in the last rebuilt. Engine sounds great, but the carb
(Holley?) leaks like if it was British....

Thanks for the reply, 

>From the townships, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:13:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding

Some thoughts that came to my mind that day while listening to the different
class awards (I missed the plane tickets by 1 number!) were:
1.  I did not notice any LR owners filling out any judging forms.
2.  Every LR there is probably used year round while the other 500 British
auto there may see sunlight 2 month out of the year.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883   lmkessler@srnet.com

At 05:05 PM 9/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Gee, I guess they didn't here the jokes about the TR6's being rolling 
>spares depots for Land Rovers (lots of slightly worn Lucas bits to strip off
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 42 lines)]
>'74 TR6
>CF 18928 
>End forwarded messages 1,2

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:13:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: RR frame rot repaired

Thanks to all who responded to my questions for dealing with frame rot on
our RR.

The rotted area was on the frame section alongside and facing the right side
catalyst just down from the right exhaust header.  The rotted area was over
a foot (1/3 meter) longand ran under the frame cross member and wrapped onto
the bottom side of the frame.

Instead of following the instructions I was sent and finding a MIG welder, I
went to DAP and had them do the work.  I also wanted it fixed before off
roading this weekend.

They did a great job on the frame, changed the tranny oil and filter (since
the cross member was out) and charged less than they estimated (always
nice).  But it does sound like I need to check one exhaust pipe clamp.

The heat from the catalyst realy did a number on the metal.  We dropped the
cut out section on the floor and it shattered like a dinner plate.  Brittle!
Certainly an area to check on the older RRs.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883   lmkessler@srnet.com

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:43:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: British Invaded: forwarded note from Brit-Cars regarding the

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> wrote:
>Some thoughts that came to my mind that day while listening to the different
>class awards (I missed the plane tickets by 1 number!) were:
>1.  I did not notice any LR owners filling out any judging forms.

While watching several others fill out forms, I joined a conversation about the 
judging.  We all agreed that judging another's Rover would be akin to commenting 
on their lifestyle.  In many cases, your Rover is an extension of your 
personality...how can another judge that?  Its wonderful to be part of a group 
of people that values individuality as highly as that...something disturbingly 
lacking in much of today's society.

>2.  Every LR there is probably used year round while the other 500 British
>auto there may see sunlight 2 month out of the year.

Yeah, ain't it great?

Just my $.02...

Rgds,
Eric

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:59:58 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Wheels

At 17:31 96-09-26 -0600, you wrote:

 I was wondering if I somebody knows where I can buy  a set of used wheels
>in the United States, the ones that came with the 1990-1995 classic Range
>Rover, and the price.

Don't know if that helps you out, but there is a guy in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada, who sells anf fixes Jaguars. At one point, he bought out a Jag
dealer that was also selling Range Rovers. He had a bunch of wheels with
tires of 1990-1993 Range Rovers. Montreal customers wanted some kind of
fancy mag wheels so the dealer kept the original ones. His phone number is
514-444-2900 and he was selling them fairly cheap. Don't know the country
code, though. 

Hope it helps, 

>I live in Guatemala, so I would shipp the wheels to Miami, and then to
>Guatemala.

If from Montreal, it might be simpler to ship direct to Guatemala, on a boat.

Good luck!!

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:24:34 -0400
From: Steve MARGOLIS <sim1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Safety in aluminum cans (Series I)

One thing that always made me a little nervous about driving around in my
107 SW was the fuel tank hanging down under the passenger seat (lhd) with
nothing between it and the bumper of any idiot running a red light or stop
sign.  Generally speaking, passengers didn't get nervous about it unless I
stopped for gas and they had to get out so I could lift the seat to get to
the filler cap.

One safety feature that has gradually been built into cars since the
Mercedes and Rover 2000s of the 1960s has been the crumple zones.  In a
Land Rover the other vehicle is your crumple zone.

On an unrelated note, are any of you from the Memphis area?  A reply to my
e-mail address would be nice.  I'll be in Memphis  next Tuesday for at
least six to eight months.

Steve Margolis - Ithaca, NY
1957 107 Station Wagon, Series I, Still in kit form in Maine (Damn!)
        serial number 13470093 engine number 114707468

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:26:54 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: your mail

At 10:10 96-09-26 -0400, you wrote:

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>	in Communist Post/US Snail).  This also puts Eric way ahead of 
>	Michel for Towball...
>	Rgds,
Well, now, we are talking my kind of business, since I was awarded the
Towball award last year... It's not just a question of mileage, here that is
in question, but also the general conditions of the towing. Let me explain:
It is much easier to flat tow an 88 on a rural highway than to find the
truck ditched in the woods, pulling it out of the mud and then getting the
whole rig out of the muck you are stuck into and then, drive the 300 miles
that get you home. If you think that pulling yourself out of a mud hole is
easy, try it with an 88 attached in the back. Oh, did I mention that it was
missing tie-rods. Now that was funny. Also, I think that towing through
big-city traffic jams where the cars don't come with any kind of flashers
like Montreal must count for some extra points, too. 

Also, the little extras that happen on the way count, too. On the way back
from Gaspesie witha 109 ( a 12 hour drive), I blew the rear diff of the 109:
there was a small leak in the housing and the diff needs oil. (Except for
Dixon's rear diff which has a special lube in the metal, hence oil-less diff).

In conclusion, the harder it is to drive the thing home, the more points you
get... Did I get it right, Dixon

Now, before the Christmas party where the prize will be awarded, I have to
fetch a 109 SW in the Great White North, which includes 200 miles of dirt
road... I just can't wait!

Drive safely, 

Michel, from the Townships, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 03:36:57 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Shopping Spree (Woohoo!)

At 08:16 96-09-26 EST, you wrote:

>Last night I did a little shopping. 

snip

 Sure 
>enough, they had a steering stabilizer listed, so I found it on the shelf
along 
>with all the associated brackets and bought it.

snip

What's the name of the aftermarket product? part number? I certainly need
one, with the 16" wheels, it looks like a necessity.

Thanks!

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:25:21 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Towballs, Lugnuts, Etc.

>Actually, to Spen's credit, he did pay for the gas....and he even drove.
>I had
>a hard time getting him out from behind the wheel, though!
>Eric

Putting on weight is he?Try a tyre iron next time Eric.....
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:01:48 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Feelin' good

 (And nothing
>fell off!)
>--
>Nate Dunsmore
Now *that's* what I call tempting providence:-)
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:33:11 -0400
From: agscsmps@post.kosone.com (G.Stoneham)
Subject: 109 Station Wagon frame

I
wonder if someone could tell me if the protuberance on the passenger side
of the frame ,at the front of the vehicle,behind the bumper mount is
original or a modification made by the previous owner?
(It looks like some kind of mounting bracket similar to an upper shock
mount but it projects down)
Thanks.

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