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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:31:23 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Lucas electrics

Wiring loom fire caused the head lamps to go out?

What are you winging about, at least you had fire light to see where you
were going.

Some people are never satisfied. Joe Lucas builds in a secondary
lighting circuit and when it kicks in you complain!

FWIW My main beam light was always on for a while. I found there was 5V
between the radiator surround and the battery -ve. There were lots of
melted wires all over the vehicle. The cure... Tin snips. Remove the
loom & start again :-(

Your wiring probably isn't as bad as mine was but I'd guess there is
either an earth problem at your dash which is making the -ve end of the
indicator bulb live, compared to the bulb which is off. Or another
earthing problem somewhere.

You can never have too many earth straps!

Have fun, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: 24 Sep 96 07:45:58 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Proper use of Hi-Lift

Get a load of Dixon demonstrating the proper use of a Hi-Lift (or more likely
Jackall, in his case) in vehicle recovery in the latest LRO magazine:
Standing respectfully aside out of dangers way while the woman wallows over her
ankles in mud throwing her weight on the Hi-Lift handle to lift the beast :-D
(Gotta try that with Viktoria...)

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: etlgtr@etlxdmx.ericsson.se (Graham Tanner XB/V)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 13:25:48 BST

help

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 08:28:14 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: brake shoe relining and suppliers...

Ray inquires:

...., and he would 
let me reline my shoes at his shop ....

i need a supplier for linings and brass rivets.  i have access
to the tools.  any ideas...

Ray.
 Call McMaster-Carr in NJ. 908 329 3200
Getting a catalog from thhese people is like pulling teeth. Make up a false 
company name to speed the process. In any case, catalog#101 lists on page 2437:

150 degree Countersunk-Head Semi Tubular Rivets
"Also known as brake-lining rivets"
There are about thirty different sizes, so you need to figure out which ones you
need. I think from memeory that the heads are 3/8", but you also need to specify
a shank dia., length, and hole depth (actually this seems to coincide with shank
dia.).
If you want they will probably fax you a copy of the proper page. If they wont I
would be happy to. BTW, the rivets run form $4.17-28.59 for packs of 100. 

Also, for anyone with deep pockets and not much to do, they sell the press for 
setting and removing the rivets, at the low price of $493.18...

Cheers
Dave B.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 08:35:38 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: You can't get there from here...

Bill has the blues:

>> Should run great now eh?

Uh-huh:)

>>>Put everything back together, hit the key and.......nothing, just the 
plaintive click of a worn-out solenoid.

Are you sure? Did you check the starter for continuity when you put it back in. 
Also make sure its grounded ok, I went through lots of solenoid futzing , then I
grounded the starter with a jumper cable from the battery...OTOH, worn out or, 
more than likely in a Rover, especially a deisel, dirty solenoids can make 
starters quite sluggish...till the solenoid completely melts and stays closed...

HAHAHAHA :-)

Sorry to here you had the "LUCAS touch" this weekend, you KNOW I've been there. 

LAter

Dave

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:46:45 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re. electrical problems

Here's a tale of woe that may help others!

I have for several years had problems with my 109" - battery loses
charge if truck not driven for a few days. Tried testing battery (OK)
and generator (also OK) - - thought I'd found fault when I found frayed
brown wire under dash that could short to earth - repaired - still
problem.

Last week my headlight switch on the dash went gammy, sometimes could
not turn lights on, sometimes could not turn lights off. I ordered a new
switch. On turning off one day, I returned to the garage late at night
and found the sidelights blinking dimly, even though the switch was off
- a sudden bang to the bonnet, turned these off again!

After changing switch, I dismantled the old switch out of curiousity -
discovering that one of the switch wipers (one that isn't used in my
wire up, but may have been used in the past) was melted from its nylon
wiper arm, and had fallen to make contact between the lights
(sidelights).

It seems the lucas switch had gone into automode some years ago, and was
turning the sidelights on when the car wasn't being used - I haven't had
the problem since in any case. Wish I'd known that a year ago!

-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 08:55:48 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Valve stem seals

>>>>>I remember a trick somebody posted last spring - putting a few inches of
rope into the cyl. to push up the valve- maybe this trick could be posted
again?

I would be wary of the compressed air trick...I've heard it works great, but I 
don't trust it, 'speshly on old engines with questionable compression. 
Get the cylinder near TDC, (watch dist, or stick a light down the spark lug 
hole). Stuff a few inches of 3/8" rope in the spark plug hole and crank the 
engine by hand until you feel resistance. If you did it right, this should be 
the piston pressing the rop upwards against the valves. Compress but do not 
remove the valve spring. Check to see that the valve doesn't move very far 
downward. This way if the rope isn't really working, the valve will only fall 
until the compressed springs stops it. 

Dave B.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Apocryphal Stories
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 09:01:00 DST

> I just got this one in my mail. Though the joke is on the Brits, I can't
believe
> it's true. Anyway it had me chuckling and giggling for some time, so here
goes:

This particular version is actually apocryphal. The original version
(as published in New Scientist and similar magazines years ago) refers to
the Gas Turbine APT in the early '70s.

 I worked at BR Advanced Projects during the APT years and have no 
recollection of this incident, which I'm sure would recieved  extensive 
coverage on the grapevine. However while at Rolls Royce Aero Engines during 
the 60's we did use a device known as "the Chicken Flicker" for evaluation 
of bird ingestion capabilities on gas turbines. This involved intentional 
destruction, by firing chickens into the intakes of engines running at full 
speed, to ensure that engine parts were contained within the casing after a 
bird strike. (wouldn't want those stray compressor blades in the cabin or 
slicing the wings off!) On several occasions partially thawed chickens were 
used (by accident?) resulting in greater damage than anticipated. Prior to 
this I'm sure that other manufacturers have used similar devices with 
similar results both from an engineering and tall tale standpoint.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:17:51 -0500
From: fellswor@lads.is.lmco.com (Fred Ellsworth)
Subject: Unsubscribing

Hi all,
Sorry for the non LR content, but my e-mail address changed pretty
unexpectedly the other day and I can't seem to unsubscribe from the list
with my new address.  The old one will work for awhile but I'd like to
unsubscribe it before things start getting bounced.  Any ideas?
Fred

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 Lockheed Martin ADS                           Fax:   (617) 441-2059
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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:21:36 GMT
Subject:       Re: Bills starter.

Bill,
Had to take both my manifolds of my S 1 even though its RHD, depends 
on which starter is fitted, any how have you tried to adjust the 
solenoids stroke, as when I cleaned mine out I had to on mine.
Its the small nut locked bit between the main body and the solenoid,
un-lock and rotate, best on the bench but can be done in-situ, lock-
up and try. The pivot is eccentric ;-)

Re 109 needing a roll cage, only if you roll it !Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Roof vents

On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Sandy Cooper wrote:

> roof vents??  I do not have the tropical skin as of yet, I do however, have
> the vents and have been iching to put these guys in for a while.  Do not
> want to place them in the incorrect location (it might be hard to open the
> vents if they are not lined up with the top correctly!!  Perhaps I should
> wait and find a tropical skin first.  Thanks          John Cooper 1969 11a swb

	Er, you have a spare roof?  Otherwise, unless you are deep in the
	southwest of the USA you could get a bit wet if you install the
	vents, but then again, that is a know factor without vents and
	even extends to the Disco's I understand.  Same place as a 109
	I think...   :-)

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:32:28 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: RE: Roof Vents

     Sandy,
     
        Did you want those measurements for and 88 or 109?  I can measure 
     up my 88 roof this evening and email the info to you.  Also, my vents 
     open toward the front - hinge on back.  If you don't have the tropical 
     skin I would worry about water.  It may be smarter to wait.
     
     Also one for Al Richer, Blue Streak Solenoid installed - works great! 
     Thanks.
     
     Ray Scholl - Acton, MA
     rscholl@lib.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:47:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: How much does an 80" weigh?

I need the curb weight for an 80" so I can give a proper
figure to the weigh scale buddies so they don't tax me
too much!

Thanks, Clinton

PS hi to the red D90 that passed me a couple of days ago
just north of Kamloops.

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:10:16 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: ARB Air Pump

The suggestion (by TeriAnn) that the ARB compressor can be used to 
inflate tyres is fair enough, but should be accompanied by a warning 
that the compressor is designed for short cycle use (I don't mean push 
bikes!) and should not be run continuously for more than 10 minutes at a 
time.
The piston is not lubricated, relying on PTFE piston rings. Friction 
therefore causes hot running.
So be careful, or you will wreck a good compressor.

-- 
David G. Olley
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New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 15:41:50 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Windshield testing - joke (no LR's)

Like most apocraphal stories this one has an element of truth.
The "Chicken Cannon" descibed has certainly been used by British Aerospace and 
the Royal Air Force for many years to test military windscreens for resistance 
to birdstrikes. In particular to simulate a low-level, high speed (500 knots+) 
impact with a goose size bird. Hence the chicken.

However, quite what British Rail thought they were doing testing their trains 
against a 500 knot chicken is beyond me. The speed our trains go they could 
have propelled it with an elastic band and had greater realism.

Dave Lee
RAF Kinloss, Scotland
Series III 109"

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:04:25 -0700
From: Jeremy J Bartlett <Bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: S1 Club Fees?

Does anyone know the current S1 club (UK) fees (and can you confirm 
the current address)?

Thanks in advance

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:55:03 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: How much does an 80" weigh?

At 07:47 96-09-24 -0700, you wrote:

>I need the curb weight for an 80" so I can give a proper
>figure to the weigh scale buddies so they don't tax me
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>figure to the weigh scale buddies so they don't tax me
>too much!
For a 1948-1951 model, unladen weight: 2,594 lbs
For a 1952-1954 model, unladen weight: 2,604 lbs

Hope this helps, 

greetings from the townships, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 24 Sep 96 09:16:32 MST
Subject: 30000 service on the Disco

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Totally agree! LRNA should get their act together and have a Tucson
dealership! But better yet, they should get their act together with the
quality control! 10% of 30K is probably no exaggeration! After all, from
where you live that's not much over 10 round trips! When I had my
Discovery I had at LEAST that many trips to the dealer! And it had less
than 20K on it when I sold it. (moment of silence... sigh...) :-(
They really ought to extend your warranty by the distance you've had to
travel to get warranty servicing! (Maybe they'd think about a Tucson
dealership THEN!)

My next LR product that I purchase (used) will have to have the 100K
extended warranty, and have some time left on that! I'm sure I won't get
any arguments by saying that LR is the best 4-by available, but the
reliability certainly does leave something to be desired!

A few years ago, I want to a LR dealership party and was fortunate
enough to meet Charles, uh... I forget his last name, but he was
something like the president of LRNA. At that time I gave him a list of
17 items that I felt could be improved with the Discovery. Things like;
no ABS when in 4-low range, better rear mud flap design, that doesn't
break off, better seat adjuster than the "star-wheel" on the '94's, door
lock knobs that your arm doesn't press by accident, (am I the only one
that did this??) better tail light guard design, (mine tore off leaving
a ripped out hole in the back!) locking differential available, gauges,
front seat side panel design (so ya don't kick it off all the time. - Am
I just clumsy??) opaque sun-roof cover (probably just an "Arizona"
thing), rear cargo hold-down anchors, and more. Most of these were
fluffed off as "that's not what the market is demanding" ("Market" being
the yuppy mall-shopping "look at me I have money" types. No offense
intended to "us" who actually use ours off road.)

While all these I feel are valid, and hopefully useful suggestions, in
retrospect, I'd have forfeited them all for a better quality product
with less defects. I thought maybe when BMW bought them out they'd
improve quality, but no. Not that I've seen or heard.

If LR wasn't SO good off-road, I wouldn't own one (much less 3!). But
there's just something about them that WORKS! Articulation, weight,
balance, what ever it is, they work GREAT off-road.

LRNA, LR-UK ARE YOU LISTENING!!!!???? DO YOU CARE????

Sorry for chewing your ear off Rob! I surely didn't intend to get this
long winded. I'm just very passionate about LR's, and sincerely want to
see them be better.

I've copied this to the leaf spring list in the hopes that someone may
possibly be able to print it out and somehow get it to LR's attention.

HEY LAND ROVER!!! THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO LOVE YOUR PRODUCT BUT YOUR
QUALITY CONTROL NEEDS VAST IMPROVEMENTS!!!!

Thanks for allowing me to "vent".

Dave Brown, disillusioned, but still "in love." What can I say...
I'm a Land Rover man. Sigh... :-/

P.S. If anyone knows an e-mail address for LR, PLEASE forward this to them!

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:16:06 MST7
X-Olddate:  Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:16:01 MST
X-Listname: azlro@stat.com
From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Subject:  30000 service on the Disco

I just made an appt with Scottsdale LR for the 30000 mile service on my Disco..

Of those 30000 miles 10% are driving to the dealer and back from Tucson.  When
is LRNA going to get their act together and open a service center/dealership in
Tucson?

I'm going to try and drop it off late Thursday afternoon and pick it up
Saturday about 1PM.  That will probably cut me out of any activity on Sat, but
I'm open for lunch if anyone is interested.

Rob Modica, Tucson AZ
Arizona Land Rover Owners
rmodica@east.pima.edu
'51 SI 80" hardtop #16136629
'60 SII 109" SW Safari #16400620 "The Tortuga"
'94 Disco 5spd

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:21:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Proper use of Hi-Lift

On 24 Sep 1996, Stefan R. Jacob wrote:

> Get a load of Dixon demonstrating the proper use of a Hi-Lift (or more likely
> Jackall, in his case) in vehicle recovery in the latest LRO magazine:

	Hmmm...  Work...  This must be an imposter...  I am a firm believer
	in the Jamacain lifestyle.  "Later man..."

> Standing respectfully aside out of dangers way while the woman wallows over her
> ankles in mud throwing her weight on the Hi-Lift handle to lift the beast :-D
> (Gotta try that with Viktoria...)

	Women in wallowing in mud...  Hmmm... Now this does sound a little
	familiar...  

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From: ARTuro500@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:37:19 -0400
Subject: Blessed Mr. Lucas

Chris:

I recently went through some Lucas problems with my 65 IIa 88. 

My main short was in the forward wiring harness at the split for the wire to
the oil pressure sender. A problem spot on my rig, possibly from engine heat
and vibration.

My headlight dip switch wiring was also worn bare from vibration and exposure
to road dirt, etc.

I changed out the damaged wiring harness section and taped up the bad spots
on the regional wiring. So far things are okay.
 
But upon close examination of the removed old harness section I found that
much of the insulation had simply deteriorated from vibration and friction.
On a 30-year old machine, it calls into question much of the original wiring.
Even that enclosed in the old fabric harness had worn through from friction
as it rubbed up against a neighboring wire. Frighteningly impressive, really.

You can take it for what it's worth, but rewiring an old Rover seems an
inevitability. It's just a matter of time before that "smell" again wafts
into the cab. Your heart jumps into your throat as you look for the ammeter
needle, which is probably lying on road gravel somewhere. A little quick
triage as you undo the baby's car seat (damn...where is that buckle?). 

Everybody, outta the car! She's about to blow! 

Of course, it never does. But it's pretty annoying. In the 10 years I've had
my Rover, the only time it stranded me was because of electrical.   

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 24 Sep 96 10:49:28 MST
Subject: Nissan test drive video.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I just got the Nissan Pathfinder test drive video and just viewed it at
work. I must admit to ONE unique feature of this vehicle; It's amazing
ability to stay perfectly CLEAN when out in dusty Africa! In every
scene, it appears shining clean, even after going through water and mud!
The dirtiest that it ever appears is a bit of dust on the back window in
one or two shots, and a bit or highway grime from driving on the
freeway. Maybe it's just all those "elephant spraying trunk" car washes
all over Africa??

I only hope the free binoculars work as well!

Dave.

Oh, btw, they obviously made NO attempt to hide the fact that it's a
direct copy of Land Rover promotions, right down to the British accent
on the announcer. Some people! ;-)

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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From: murraycm@cleo.bc.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:13:45 +0000
Subject: Tires

Hello All,

I am interested in fitting some 265/75/16 tires on my IIa.  I will, of
course, need new wheels.  can anyone tell me what wheel width and offset
will make these fit nicely on my rover?

thanks
chris

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From: murraycm@cleo.bc.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:16:28 +0000
Subject: Roll Bar

Hello Again

is there any information out there on a roll bar which will fit a IIa 88
with a hardtop and rear bench seats?  ready made?  companies?
measurements?

thanks
chris

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:38:47 -0700
From: Andy Cockroft <xtr12664601@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Uncl: Solex or timing etc?

>From 	Andy Cockroft
	Systems Programmer
	Upper Hutt
	New Zealand

John:- Only two words for you - "THROTTLE PUMP"

Check the actiona of the pump and make sure petrol is being injected
when you press the throttle (remove air intake and look down the
venturi).

If no juice can be seen (or only a trickle), you would be best to start
with the injector jet.

On the solex (if I remember correctly) there's an injector at the very
top of the venturi, just below the choke. This little rascal can become
blocked very easily. The type of solex will dictate whether it's held in
by a small screw, or simply a push fit.

Whatever, remove it (if it's a push fit, a pair of long-nosed pliers
will do the trick) and carefully clean it before reassembly.

Check the pump action again. If still no go, you'll have to check all
the pump linkages and of course the small one-way valves inside the carb
(at least I think they're inside!) at the base of the pump.

Andy Cockroft

SIIa Lightweight
SIIa 88" (now 90") Leyland P76 motor (bigger version of Rover 3.5), 
	RR Box, lots of mods
SIII 6x6 167" (Homebuilt - nearing completion)
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Date: 23 Sep 96 09:49:07 PDT
From: <DV043@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU>
Subject: Uncl: Solex or timing etc?

From: John W. Henricks, Programmer/Analyst
      Institutional Studies
      01-309

Something's wrong.  Yesterday Ulysses stopped.  My 62 SIIA 109 died on a
overpass.  I was able to start it and get home using the choke, but when
I use the accelerator it coughs and dies. I went through the carb, it
appears to be fine, but...

Any ideas?

Replies appreciated.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Net:  jhenrick@calpoly.edu
Tel:  (805)756-5408
Fax:  (805)756-5292

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 15:39:49 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Nissan test drive video.

David Brown opines:
>Oh, btw, they obviously made NO attempt to hide the fact that it's a
>direct copy of Land Rover promotions, right down to the British accent
>on the announcer. Some people! ;-)

With all due respect to our Japanese comrades- and I don't mean to 
offend, but
I think that it's easier to sell a car to an American audience with 
British-sounding voice over than with Japanese... i.e.:
" Day trenty tree...out on de Sellegetti prain we are attacked by 
rions..."

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:43:56 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Nissan test drive video.

At 10:49 AM 9/24/96 MST, you wrote:
>FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>I just got the Nissan Pathfinder test drive video and just viewed it at
>work. I must admit to ONE unique feature of this vehicle; It's amazing

I got mine yesterday, but haven't watched it yet.  Probably this afternoon
with my dad.  The pouch is nice, and the Binocs are good -- they look like
the same ones I lusted after at the Price Club for a long time (before
giving up trying to justify the $35 and just buying 'em).  The tote bag
looks nice too, but it's no match for the binocs.  

Thanks to whoever it was that originally alerted us all to it!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 15:49:00 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Tires

I may be wrong here, but I think there's only one size 16" wheel for 88s. 
As I don't have the parts book at my fingertips, I can't tell which one 
it is, but I'm sure it won't be difficult to ascertain.
265/16 may rub a little.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 16:14:16 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Tires

Speaking of tires, I recently fitted a set of used 16" rims and am currently 
riding out the remains of the tires they came with. These are various species of
the good ol' 7.50x16 cross ply mud flinger. Finding these hard to come by in 
this area for a decent price, I'm wondering what else is available.

Ive seen a few trucks with what i guess are called SAT's. What exactly is an 
SAT, and what does it stand for? Are they readily available in the US? I've seen
them on the US special forces 110's and on a 109 that was in one of the local 
hack shops. 

Dave B.
Arlington VA

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:21:08 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Tires

I was told by a RN guy that the 235/85 might even rub.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:37:25 -6
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tires

Dave B. laments:
> Speaking of tires, I recently fitted a set of used 16" rims and am currently 
> riding out the remains of the tires they came with. These are various species of
> the good ol' 7.50x16 cross ply mud flinger. Finding these hard to come by in 
> this area for a decent price, I'm wondering what else is available.
snip
Goodyear still makes a 7.70x16 bias ply called the SureGrip (I 
think). But it's a different tread patter than the old SureGrips I 
used to know & love. They may make also the AT in a bias.
Kelly-Springfield still makes a good selection of bias ply 750.x16's.
I'm right now looking for a good bias ply that size (but load range 
C) for my 88. If I come across anything that seems good, I'll post 
it. So far I'm not having any luck with a 750 C range. I may end up 
with a 235/75R16 (available in C a range) which is only about an inch 
shorter than a 7.50 and will fit the narrow LR rims better anyway.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Howton <andrew_howton@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: the LRO

At 06:50 AM 9/24/96 +0200, you wrote:
>As a new member of the Internet and nearly a new member of the LRO family I
>have a question.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>such a flimsy thing?
>Comments?????
I have rolled an 88 at some speed with a reg hard top and myself and the
passenger suvived unharmed (Amazing as we were stupid and not belted in).
However, I do not drive a softtop with out at least a millitary type bar and
make sure everything in the back is tied down.  The 150lbs pluss hell box in
the back was chained to the tailgate chains, one chain broke and the other
saved our heads from been smashed like pumpkins.

Good luck and keep it rusty side down.

Andrew Howton

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Howton <andrew_howton@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Valve stem seals

At 07:53 PM 9/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
>As far as I can tell I am going to have to replace the valve stem seals in
>my 1972 88. Is it possible to pump compressed air into the cylinder to hold
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>Russ
>1972 Series III '88
Take the head off,  it will save you alot of trouble and you can decoke the
engine while you are at it.  To do as you sugest you are already half way
there to doing a complete job (if you are burning oil on start up your valve
guides may need replacing anyway).  Its up to you.

Andrew Howton

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:03:19 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Re: S1 Club Fees?

>Does anyone know the current S1 club (UK) fees (and can you confirm
>the current address)?

The Series 1 Club in UK is

c/o David Bowyer, Club Secretary
East Foldhay, Zeal Monachorum, Crediton, Devon EX17 6DH
Tel: +44 (0)1363 82666
or John Gopsill, Membership Secretary
Owl Cottage, Corner Lane, Motcombe, Shaftesbury, Dorset SP7 9HS

Membership fees are 13pounds UK, 14.50pounds Europe and 19pounds everywhere else
There is also a once only 2pounds joining fee

There is also another club that may be of interest;
'The Land Rover Register 1947-51' they are primarily involved with very
early production and pre production 80" models and can be of help with
tracing the history and originality of your vehicle.
I recently joined and asked them about a vehicle I was interested in
buying, without hesitation the Secretary knew exactly which vehicle I was
talking about, its history and that the numbers didnt add up (ie not
original).
They are also very good at sourcing hard to get bits.

You can mail their secretary; Richard Lines, 100560.560@compuserve.com

or write to the membership secretary; Frank Mell,
10 Rowan Mount, Wheatley Hills, Doncaster, South Yorkshire DN2 5PJ
Tel: +44 (0)130 236 7349

Fees: Uk and Europe 12pounds, 16pounds elsewhere with a one-off 1pound
joining fee

Hope this helps

___________________________________________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow

Orpington, Kent, U.K.

whastelow@atlas.co.uk

___________________________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "M. ABERCROMBIE" <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: tire height

Disregarding tire width, does anyone know what the tallest tire that would
fit on a stock (suspension) `69 88" with 15" wheels?  Also, does anyone know
where Michellin XLT cross country tires can be purchased?  Pref.  Northeast
US area?
Thanks-
Matt

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Fuel pump?

If the vehicle sits for over a week...I must remove the fuel line from the
carb and pour a little gas down into the line toward the fuel pump and
filter then reconnect the fuel line to the carb and she fires and runs.
This is the original pump and is about 27 years old, is it time to rebuild
the pump??                                                    Any comments
welcome   Thanks  John Cooper 1969 11a

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:55:39 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: test/ignore

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:28:51 -0700
From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: Re:Valve stem seals

I replaced my valve stem seals about 4 months ago using the rope in the 
cylinder trick. Its surprising how much rope you can stuff in the 
cyliner. Make sure you have about 2 meters. Use the hand-crank
to bring the piston up and hold the valves in place.  
I found the biggest trouble was with the spring compressor. I 
tried 2 different types and after an hour hadn't got anywhere.
My brother stopped by and suggested a strip the rocked shaft,
and bolt it back on the head. I used a needle-nodes vice grips 
wedged under the rocker shaft to compress the springs.
It was simple after that. 
I have only added 1 litre of oil in the past 4 months!
I was going through 1 litre every two tanks of gas. 
-- 
Cheers, Gordon
'65 88 "Sherpa"
'74 88 "Feznal"

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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:31:25
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: 245x75x16 tires

Hi All,
 I have just helped my brother tow home his 109 from NY. We installed 
245x75x16's on my spare rims before towing(tires from Sam's Club).  These 
tires are to big for the front or seem to be as they hit the springs.  Well 
so do the originals.  The ride is great now that the all weather tires are 
on the back. Ok the snows are on the front yet.  Try them I think you will 
like them & they are load range E.  cost was about 89 each. 
Rob Davis_Chicago

Failure is not an option
Not on my watch.......

1971 (88)  Treeweaver
1965 (109SW)  OX
1968 (109 three door)  Dad's toy (only the caretaker)

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:17:43 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: mismatched tires, warning

Rob Davis mentions: (snip)
>the all weather tires are 
>on the back. Ok the snows are on the front

If the tire outer diameters are different from front to back, damaging 
(expensive) stresses may be created on the driveline components if in 4wd on 
solid ground. (OK, for you technical types; the rolling circumferences are 
more important than diameters). Mismatch will cause "windup" until something 
gives, mostly the tires slipping. To avoid this, I recommend driving on 
soft, yielding surfaces, like the Mendocino forest, Klockum high desert, 
Black Rock Desert, etc.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:03:47 -0700
From: Jeremy J Bartlett <Bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: S1 Club Fees?

Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
snip
> Hope this helpsThanks very much - exactly what I was looking for.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:40:41
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: front tires for 109

Hi All,
 I have put the largest tires I could on the rear but wonder what the 
safest & largest tires I can put on the front?  @45x75x16 are on the rear.
Rob Davis_Chicago

Failure is not an option
Not on my watch.......

1971 (88)  Treeweaver
1965 (109SW)  OX
1968 (109 three door)  Dad's toy (only the caretaker)

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:48:29 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Tires

	My 235/85s rubbed a bit on the Rubicon, but not on street drivign.  I like
'em a lot.

Chris
'65 88" IIA SW
'96 Disco

At 03:21 PM 9/24/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I was told by a RN guy that the 235/85 might even rub.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

>I was told by a RN guy that the 235/85 might even rub.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:52:36 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Tires

At  3:13 PM 9/24/96 +0000, murraycm@cleo.bc.edu wrote:
>Hello All,
>I am interested in fitting some 265/75/16 tires on my IIa.  I will, of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>thanks
>chris

You might consider the wheel that comes as a spare on the US Discovery.
Its the same wheel you get if you insist on steel wheels on a US spec D90.
I have a set on my 109 that I've had on for over a year now.  They have
slots, are flat black and look VERY nice  I wouldn't switch back to the
stock rim.  British Pacific has the best US price I have seen for them new.
Mine came as take offs from a D90 that was accidently shipped with steel
wheels.  I got them for half LRNA list.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:48:16 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump?

At 03:26 PM 9/24/96 -0700, you wrote:
>If the vehicle sits for over a week...I must remove the fuel line from the
>carb and pour a little gas down into the line toward the fuel pump and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>the pump??                                                    Any comments
>welcome   Thanks  John Cooper 1969 11a

what I did was to also use an electric fuel pump, also helps vapor lock
problems.

>If the vehicle sits for over a week...I must remove the fuel line from the
Mike Johnson N7WBO
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:45:51 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: tire height

At 06:03 PM 9/24/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Disregarding tire width, does anyone know what the tallest tire that would
>fit on a stock (suspension) `69 88" with 15" wheels?  Also, does anyone know
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Thanks-
>Matt

A friend of mine has had really good luck with The Tire Rack
http://tirerack.com they have really good prices on tires and shipping (also
me thinks no FET or sales tax 'cept Ca.)
Mike Johnson N7WBO
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:59:56 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Tires

At  3:49 PM 9/24/96 -0400, Adams, Bill wrote:
>I may be wrong here, but I think there's only one size 16" wheel for 88s.
>As I don't have the parts book at my fingertips, I can't tell which one
;it is, but I'm sure it won't be difficult to ascertain.
>265/16 may rub a little.
;
I have a set of 265/75/16 BF Goodrich mud terrains mounted on the same
wheels that come as a spare on the US spec Discovery.  They fit just fine
on my 109.  Not even close to rubbing.  The tyres are a bit wide for the 16
inch wheels that came on NADA spec series cars.

>Bill Adams
>3D Artist/Animator
;'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
>Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?
So which Triumph is that?  I'm a TR3 owner

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:58:41 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: front tires for 109

Hi All,
 I have put the largest tires I could on the rear but wonder what the 
safest & largest tires I can put on the front?  @45x75x16 are on the rear.
                                                ^presume 245x75x16...
Rob Davis_Chicago

Failure is not an option
Not on my watch.......

Failure is the only option, if you either don't have FWH or drop it into 4wd
with mis-matched tires.  

I use BFG MT 235x85x16's all around. 4 on the ground 1 on the hood, 1 behind
the seat, 1 on the back door and one on the roof.  

The only problem is rotating them.  I take the one off the hood, and put it
on the rear door, that one to behind the seat.....
Mike Johnson  N7WBO

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezabel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:49:03 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Pathfinder lags behind the Disco?

I'm amazed that no one else has caught this yet...  

I watched the Pathfinder video tonight, and damned if there wasn't a Disco
in it.  (Pause whilst everyone runs to their VCR to try and spot it...)
It's when they start talking about their commute.  The camera aims forward
out the front windshield at the freeway ahead, and that shore looks like a
Disco to me!  

My sister agreed that it was too, having been familiar with them from a few
months in England and running around to all the horse stables around here.

Guess I won't toss it after all!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net>
Subject: RE: Fuel pump?
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:09:42 -0700
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>If the vehicle sits for over a week...I must remove the fuel line from =
the
>carb and pour a little gas down into the line toward the fuel pump and
>filter then reconnect the fuel line to the carb and she fires and runs.
>This is the original pump and is about 27 years old, is it time to =
rebuild
>the pump??                                                    Any =
comments
>welcome   Thanks  John Cooper 1969 11a

It sounds like the pump is definitely ready for a rebuild. It easy to =
do, and relatively inexpensive, also check for any leaks between the =
pump and the carb?

----------

David Mercer
PO BOX 3713
Olympic Valley CA 96146
ph  916-583-4829
fax 916-583-4829
merkin@sierra.net
53 S1 80" IN REBUILD  "THE HOON"
57 S1 107" SW, FOR SALE  "THE BUS"
63 SII 88"
65 SII 88", FOR SALE
66 SII 88"
69&71 MB U900s
86 MB 280GE
88 SAAB 9000 
------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAA62.3A3B43A0

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:59:00 MST
From: ROB MODICA <rmodica@east.pima.edu>
Subject: Database info

Here's two more for the data base.

16136629,1951, Series I, 80" hardtop,"La Rana", bronze
green, Tucson Arizona, USA, ur, Rootes Inc in Los Angeles California,
rmodica@east.pima.edu,lro.net, built 28 June 1951 at Solihull/ shipped 31 July
1951/ found in a Tucson junkyard June 1993/ presently disassembled

164000620,1960,Series II, 109" 5 door SW Safari, "La Tortuga", Sandstone,
Tucson Arizona ,USA, dd on Fri-Sat-Sun, Rover Car Company Los Angeles California,
rmodica@east.pima.edu, lro.net, built 21 March 1960 at Solihull/ shipped 7
April 1960/ spent many years as the ranch vehicle on Bellota Ranch in the
Catalina Mts near Tucson/ I bought it in 1979

James--

Keep up the good work.

I also used to own ---

244202297B, 1967, Series IIA, 88", "the Rover", Light Green, Tucson Arizona, dd
from 1973-79.  Does anyone know this vehicle? or it's whereabouts?

Rob Modica, Tucson AZ 
Arizona Land Rover Owners  
rmodica@east.pima.edu
'51 SI 80" hardtop #16136629
'60 SII 109" SW Safari #16400620 "The Tortuga"
'94 Disco 5spd 

USA

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Date: 25 Sep 96 03:13:30 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Proper way to use Hi-Lift

At a second glance, that doesn't seem to be Dixon after all. That web-portrait
is a bit misleading. Sorry I questioned your gallantry...
Well, at least Heather Dixon is accounted for.

(I previously wrote:
> Get a load of Dixon ...
... etc. bla bla)

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 09:43:52 
From: "Jens Vesterdahl" <jve@phaseone.dk>
Subject: Re: Lug nut torque

Hi all.

Richard wrote:

>Just a quicky. What figure should I torque the lug nuts up to on a SIII LWB 
>using standard steel wheels with 7.50 x 16 tyres?

I'd give them 80 lbs. Don't forget the copper grease!

Happy Rovering

Jens Vesterdahl
1972 109 STW
Copenhagen, Denmark

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:59:31 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Database enquiry?

What is the database that you folks keep adding to . . .

is it just Series vehicles or a list of all Landrovers owned by subscribers
to this list?

___________________________________________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow

Orpington, Kent, U.K.

whastelow@atlas.co.uk

___________________________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:47:28 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Valve stem seals

Somebody wrote:

> As far as I can tell I am going to have to replace the valve stem seals in
> my 1972 88. Is it possible to pump compressed air into the cylinder to hold
> the valves in place while the springs are removed? How much air pressure
> should I keep in the cylinder?

Are we being serious?
I realise that Land Rovers come in for a lot of bodging during the course of 
corrective surgery, but there are proper ways to tackle most jobs.
Working on the valves means taking the head off.
It may be of academic interest to know how much air pressure is required to overcome 
the spring pressures, but doing it this way is bound to be more difficult and 
certainly more risky than doing it properly.
The thought of a valve neatly dropped into the cylinder is enough to put anyone off 
taking silly shortcuts.

If anyone has done a spring removal this way, I would love to hear about the 
actuality.

-- 
David G. Olley
-----------------------------------------------------
New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
-----------------------------------------------------

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 25 Sep 96  6:53:05 EDT
Subject: Re: Valve stem seals

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