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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:35:19 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Bagshot Heath 4x4 Show

Yersterday I went to the Bagshot Heath 4x4 Show. I've never been to this
event before so didn't know what to expect. It's certainly no 'Billing' but
the off road driving section was absolutely brilliant, what the driving at
Billing should always have been but probably never will be.

This is an event based totally around off road driving, the 'show' section
including trade stands are almost an afterthought, although there were a
couple of stands of bits and accessories worth looking at.

The show is sponsored by Toyota, with trade stands by Ford, Toyota, Suzuki,
Ssangyong and Nissan. Landrover were not officially represented although
there were a couple of Main dealers with Accessory stands and a couple of
indepenents selling used vehicles and bits.

There are three course to drive, The Alpine Section, through the trees and
VERY tight in places, specially in my 110, The Rough Road course, which is
just as it says, a rough road, nothing more, then there is the Cross
Country section, this bit is supposed to be wet and boggy but due to the
hot weather there were only a couple of wet bits and even me in my petrol
110 with no wading modifications could tackle those easily, if with a
little aprehension at first.

Looking around you would have thought that it was a 'Solihull-only' event.
I guess that approx 90 per cent of all eventers were Landrovers, a handful
of Discoveries and quite a few classic Range Rovers (no new model types).

Surprisingly there were quite a number of Forward Controls, I don't think
I've been to an event with so many actualy driving the course, they are a
very impressive sight, almost looking clumsy on the course but never
getting stuck.

It's well worth a visit, with the three courses there's something for
eveyone and there's even a childrens play area.

No real criticisms it was very well organised but only suffered from it's
own poularity, the Alipne Course frequently came to a standstill due to
numbers of vehicles tackling it and some areas were very complex for
novices in larger vehicles but these bits were expertly supervised and
advice was freely and enthusiastically given.

Don't miss it if you get the chance in future.

___________________________________________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow

Orpington, Kent, U.K.

whastelow@atlas.co.uk

___________________________________________________________________

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:12:21 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Re: Nuts and bolts

>Unfortunately, I missed the 'thread wars', but as a matter of history, Sir
>Joseph Whitworth published his screw threads in 1841. He took a number of
>samples of screws from various UK manufacturers and averaged the thread
>angles etc. and chose a constant thread angle of 55 degrees.

GREAT POSTING!

perhaps we could all post a little of our 'knowledge' this posting was very
interesting, one of those things we all have to deal with every day but
never know why, thread types and sizes, my early 110 seems to use metric
and AF as well as some sizes I can never seem to find the right size tool
for.

Ray's post doesn't solve this of course but at least it was interesting to
find out why we have these problems.

now the only thing for me to do is think of something that only I nkow
about that would have the rest of you applauding my wisdom and nominating
me for a knighthood . . .

TIP NUMBER ONE: alway check that you are actually in 1st gear befor topping
the ridge and dropping off the other side with feet off the pedals . . .

duh! I've done this once and my wife tries it EVERY time she takes to the
wheel, usually in 3rd but ocassionally in neutral.

___________________________________________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow

Orpington, Kent, U.K.

whastelow@atlas.co.uk

___________________________________________________________________

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Why won't my speedo work????
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:49:28 +0930

Looking for ideas for anyone.

Driving along in the Series III and the speedo stops working.

Must be the cable I think - pull it off and its fine.
Must be the speedo I think - pull it out and its fine
Drive around the block and the inner cable is not turning. Its pushed back
as far as it can go in the outer, so it must(?) be connected in the speedo
drive - or must it? :>(
Does anyone have any clues????

Alan Logue
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Why won't my speedo work????
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:49:28 +0930

Looking for ideas for anyone.

Driving along in the Series III and the speedo stops working.

Must be the cable I think - pull it off and its fine.
Must be the speedo I think - pull it out and its fine
Drive around the block and the inner cable is not turning. Its pushed back
as far as it can go in the outer, so it must(?) be connected in the speedo
drive - or must it? :>(
Does anyone have any clues????

Alan Logue
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 09:23:47 -0400
Subject: alpine window

In a message dated 96-09-22 07:30:37 EDT, you write:

<< Slippery fingers have led to a tragedy...a broken Alpine window in the
109.
 If anyone out there has a spare or knows of one, please let me know. I am
 heartbroken that I let this happen. >>
i have several, if you come to the mid-atlantic rally i will give you
one....d.b.

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 09:58:41 -0400
Subject: Re: selling into Mass.

Mark Talbot was inquiring about his pending sale of a 109 to a couple in
Mass. I'd bag it, myself, they sound like what you describe, but what won't
say- jerks. You're in a sellers market, and unless you desperately need the
immediate sale, you should be the one setting 'the rules', not them. It's a
1964 vehicle, afterall. Offer them the oppurtunity to have the vehicle
'scrutineered' (scrutinized) by the mechanic of their choice. If it has no
known major defects to your knowledge, honestly represent it as such, and
relax, because there's someone out there who would love to have it, knows
what it is, and how to properly consider it. What will you do when they call
you when something doesn't work? (something stupid like- maybe they forget to
lock both hubs, engage 4WD, get stuck, call a wrecker, then pursue you for
expenses?). In reality, tell them its a 1964 Land Rover, and it's guaranteed
to break, piss them off, drive them crazy, and take over their lives. It's a
war of wits; they're all haunted in the least. My LR, 'Nicky', is the "Lemon
from Hell", but I'll go outside and start it up with the crank, and drive it
back up to Stowe. It's a good show, again. Dixon has his beastie there with
'new?' motor and a novel method of inspecting the coolant level without
taking off the rad cap....
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: Bruce's frame
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 10:20:52 EDT

If anyone is wondering, Bruce's 109 frame is NOT used, I saw it saturday;
it's NEW and in PERFECT CONDITION. (well, one outrigger was slightly
bent, but nothing that a few moments with a rubber mallet wouldn't
straighten out wonderfully) so if anyone is interested in a galv. frame
in the chicago area, this one beats ordering one out of a catalog ANY
DAY. Especially since it's already here and available NOW.  I sure
wouldn't be afraid to put it under my 109, if I had the cash. Or if I had
the cash to PAY for my 109 in the first place!!!

Mark
Robot10@aol.com
Robot1@juno.com

If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't return, hunt it down
and kill it

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:09:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Selling into MA (Lemon laws, etc)

Mark thinks he has sold his 109 but....

>I have "SOLD" my 109 to a couple in MASS. They have set some rules about 
>collecting the vehicle, when they take title and based on the vehicle
passing
>inspection, then they part with the cash. 

>My neighbour, who runs the local Volvo dealership here in Keene warned me 
>about the Lemon Laws and what I could be responsible for to get the vehicle 
>through inspection.

I'm an engineer, not an attorney but here is my general understanding:

Lemon laws - these are generally focused on new car sales and are a state
issue. In most states truly private sellers are exempt from lemon laws. The
law of the state in which the sale takes place applies, so assuming you sign
over the title and collect the money in NH, MA state law has nothing to do
with it. Their conditions on payment after inspection in MA may complicate
this. One alternative would be to drive it to MA prior to the sale, have it
inspected, then drive back to NH for the actual sale. Could be a major
hassle.

Generally goods from private sellers are free of implied warrenties. Two ways
private sellers can be liable: fraud and express warrenties. If you know of a
defect and purposely conceal it or answer questions untruthfully you may be
liable for any future related problems. While your not obliged to disclose
defects unless asked, it's a good idea to mention any major problems sometime
before the actual transaction.

Express warrenties are promises you make about the condition and future
performance. Express warrenties overide the general shielding from liablity.
 From what I've seen of cable TV law programs, an oral contract (promise) is
just as valid as a written one, just harder to enforce. It sounds like you
are being asked to provide some sort of express warrenty!

Wonder over to your neighbor's Volvo store and have a look at his used cars
for sale. Each one will have an FTC window sticker with one of two boxes
checked. The first says the vehicle is sold "as is" with no warrenty
expressed or implied. The second details the warrenty terms. I'm not about to
sell a vehicle as a private individual other than "as is".

Final question: Does this couple understand what they are buying? That it
isn't a slightly older D110 or Range Rover but a 32 year old vehicle which
WILL require ongoing maintenance and repair? And unless you live near a
specialist you will either have grease under the fingernails or go through
large sums of money with a mechanic who doesn't know LRs.

If they are truly reasonable people there shoud be a way to alleviate their
concerns about inspection without major hassle, complete the transaction on
an "as is" basis in NH, and get the money when the vehicle and title are
handed over.

BTW, when I sell a vehicle I always get a second copy of the bill of sale
signed by the buyer so I can claim I no longer own the vehicle.

David Cockey
'60 SII 88" SW
'60 SII 88" PU
Both bought "as is" in NH without any hassles

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From: Peter Reynolds <STOUTMAN@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: meets, rallies
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 17:56:27 +0000

I live in MA (sorry no idea on the lemon laws for whoever was asking)  but
anyway I was wondering if there are any rover events coming up anytime soon.
(not exclusievly in MA) also where would be a good source of this info?  

I have been on the list a little while and it's nice to not be using notes
mail anymore  (i couldn't post to the list for some reason)

thanx in advance,  tread lightly!
peter

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 19:42:37 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: meets, rallies

Peter, 

Do you know about next weekend in Moultonbrough NH ???

Mark

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From: 	Peter Reynolds
Sent: 	Sunday, September 22, 1996 1:56 PM
Subject: 	meets, rallies

I live in MA (sorry no idea on the lemon laws for whoever was asking)  but
anyway I was wondering if there are any rover events coming up anytime soon.
(not exclusievly in MA) also where would be a good source of this info?  
I have been on the list a little while and it's nice to not be using notes
mail anymore  (i couldn't post to the list for some reason)

thanx in advance,  tread lightly!
peter

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 20:41:16 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: For Sale 109 SW in NH

For Sale 

1964 109 SW 

Tons done, was on offer for $10,500 will accept offers in region of $9,500. 
E-mail for details if interested. 

Was "SOLD" but no deposit was left, and the potential buyer is quoting Lemon 
Laws in MASS and wants to return if it doesn't pass it's MASS inspection. This 
just smells of problems that I would rather not get into. 

Want someone who can appreciate what this vehicle is all about, understands 
that a vehicle like a Land Rover that is 32 years old will need some looking 
after. 

Mark  

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 20:50:28 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Off-road trip Sunday 6th October. 

Anyone interested in a off-road trip into the wilds of NH to see some fall 
colour ???? 

I have found some tracks close to my home that I checked out yesterday. There 
is about 5 - 10 miles of non damaging off-road trails. You will scratch the 
paint work  !!!!  

Some of these trails may require clearing, they are overgrown !!! There are 
stream crossings, not deep. I didn't cross the second one because I was the 
only vehicle and didn't want to tempt fate. 

Anyone interested ????? 

Mark

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:15:13 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Formula for rear springs on 88 Land Rover

Does anyone know the numbers I have to give my sping rebuilder so he can 
rearc my rear 88 spings?  I know they follow something from books like 
one would do with a carb or something, but I want to be sure when I drive 
to the city with the spings that I don't have to come back just because 
we can't find them in the book.  I have two diesel rear springs in good 
shape but they need to be taken apart, cleaned, new clamps put on etc.  
Has anyone tried leaving out a couple of leaves just to soften the ride? 
 I would like to retain the petrol carrying capacity but use these diesel 
springs instead of buying new ones.  Dave VE4PN

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 18:55:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Transfer box woes

    When I rebuilt my '73 Ser III 88" last year there were only three things
I did not replace or rebuild - the front and rear diffs and the transfer box
bearings.  Last week I posted the finding of loose bolts holding the rear
crown wheel to the differential carrier.  This week its the transfer box I'm
having to go into.  Hopefully next week the front diff will still be ok.
      When I overhauled the gearbox/transfer box I could not get the transfer
box bearings out.  They felt fine, so I just put the thing together with new
seals, gaskets, and front output shaft bearing.  I didn't even adjust the
preload - just reinstalled the original shim pack.  I suppose that was my
mistake.  I've gotten sick and tired of listening to the whining and howling
and finally pulled the transfer box out and apart again.  It was so much
easier to do with floor boards and seat box held down with non-rusty nuts and
bolts this time.  
      This time I also persevered, followed the instructions in the manual,
and did get the transfer box apart.  I'll order new bearings and misc. seals
and gaskets, but wonder if there is anything else I should know or do.   Any
hints on putting this thing together?  I've got my piece of string and fish
scale ready for the setting of the preload this time, after finding it was
much too low last time.  That will teach me to just reinstall the original
shims.    Any other hints that will save me from having to take it all apart
a third time would be appreciated!
Sincerely,
   erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
1973 Ser III - currently no longer a "daily driver", if you need to update
your database.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 19:44:38 -0400
Subject: Noise on Overrun

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Dave Bobeck inquired about friends SIII w/ drivetrain noise on the overrun.
This is usually caused by a worn rear diff. (if youre lucky - its easy to
replace). I am attaching a reply I posted to the list last winter which is a
catalog of drivetrain woe. I found that if its been subject to poor
maitenance and high miles just about everything will have serious wear. Good
Luck.

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 Tranfer case problems I've lived through Part 2
  This brings me to the whining noise inquiry from Erik Van Dyck. When I =
bought mine I knew the rear diff. was bad (obvious seal failure and yowli=
ng on over run). I sourced a good used diff from RN. Noise abatted somewh=
at but still there. Removed the transfer box cover. A mess of bronze gunk=
 and bad looseness. Removed overdrive, trans. brake (use 4WD low, get wif=
e to stand on brakes to lock up drive while loosening nut on rear output =
shaft) etc. Was lucky and idler shaft came out without any fuss. Rebuilt =
all as Erik did, including new cage bearings and new idler shaft. Found g=
ood used selector shaft and all need parts from friendlies at RN. Reassem=
ble. Drive. Still noisy/juddery. ARRGH! Everything I did decreased the no=
ise but some was still there. I drove it like this for a while. Check'd p=
rop. shaft splines for wear. Hmm..not bad by MGB standards. But wait! Unl=
ike most prop. shafts the SII 88" rear shaft is short and works at a very=
 steep angle. Any wear in the splines will be noticed and felt. A brand n=
ew factory shaft ($$$) seemed to be the cure.(dont bother with rebuilders=
 it doesnt work!)  There was still some whine but with the overdrive it w=
as now acceptable. Peace at last. Hell, the  LT95 in my Rangie whines som=
e. Its part of the experience. Hope this helps good luck.

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:07:21 -0400
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Lug wrenches-Broken breaker bars

>Subject: Re: Lug wrenches

>Go to Sears and buy yourself a nice long breaker bar, preferably half
>inch drive or bigger, and the correct size deep well socket (6 point).
>This rig probably won't break and if it does, Sears will cheerfully
>replace it even if you did stick four feet of galvanized plumbing pipe on
>the end and jump on it.

I once did this very thing.  The Craftsman bars' pivot pin broke when the bar was stood on.  
I was not pleased.  I was on the trail and in the woods, at night and in the cold.
I didn't use a pipe "extender" either.  Yes, Sears did replace it, but little good it did me
at the time it broke, when I needed it.  

I have found an aftermarket lug wrench called the "Wheel Brace" which seems to work very well. 
It is heavy though.
Makes a good backup hammer as well as a lug wrench.  One should always have a hammer in thier Rover 
along with duct tape and bailin war (bailing wire for non-southerners).  

Later,

Garret Scott  KB4QGN

~67 Air Portable aka Nigel

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:22:11 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Is it ok with God If I hang my PO?   Cam needed.

I am in need of a cam for a 2.25 petrol.  After buying a recon head for
unleaded, when it came time for the minor surgery,  I found my rollers
distorted/flattened .  So when I yanked the cam out it is in pretty bad
shape.  Strangest part is that the "whole" engine was "completly" rebuilt
less than 10K miles by the PO...  If you have one to sell or swap parts for
let me know,  this is/was my daily driver.

Thanks
Mike Johnson

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezabel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: daviscar@concentric.net
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:27:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Setting the record straight (was: Yikes, tough crowd)

>3000 bucks for a (used?) galv. 109 sw chassis???  Why not buy it from RN for
>$5 less!!  You still pay shipping, but at least someone else makes the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Maybe that price isn't totally nuts, but coming so soon after the ad for the
>unrusty, straight looking, strong running AZ 88 for $4500 it sure stood out.
Hi Chris And everyone else too.

Just to set the record straight. The frame I am selling is NEW!!!
The asking price is $3000.00 or BEST OFFER. Also If You READ ALL of my post
You would have seen that I know what the value of the frame is.
As far as the AZ 88 Goes Well, IF you have a 109 with a bad frame it comes
up 21" short.

Now here is a Question: Someone I know had a collapsed rear spring on a 109.
He took it to a shop and they "shorten the spring and moved the locating pin"
What kind of problems can this cause?
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
59 109 SW (no name yet) (home now.)
Daviscar@concentric.net
       

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:44:07 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Is it ok with God If I hang my PO?   Cam needed.

Mike Johnson wrote:
> I am in need of a cam for a 2.25 petrol.  After buying a recon head for
> unleaded, when it came time for the minor surgery,  I found my rollers
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> 74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
> 73 SIII 88 (Jezabel)  everyone's gettin a piece
> http://www.borg.com/~johnsonmWhere are you located.  I might have what you want but to send things 
from Canada to a country other than US might not make sense.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:59:35 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Is it ok with God If I hang my PO?   Cam needed.

At 08:44 PM 9/22/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Mike Johnson wrote:
>> I am in need of a cam for a 2.25 petrol.  After buying a recon head for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>> 73 SIII 88 (Jezabel)  everyone's gettin a piece
>> http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

>Where are you located.

Rome, New York.
Mike Johnson N7WBO
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA>
Date:          Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:50:13 +0200
Subject:       Re: Aircraft starter motors

> >I have an aircraft starter motor running the winch on my Land Rover and
> >recently I found a second one at a garage sale.  My questions are two.

Is this not perhaps an old prop. pitch motor used to vary the pitch 
of the propeller blades?

Peter Burgers
Siii Chev 4.1 Conversion> 

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Oil Change Problem
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:40:55 BST

Whilst in the Oxford/Wantage area at the weekend, I took the truck to the
workshop where my brother does a lot of his stuff (the VW Camper freak).
He didn't want to use the impact driver, but we had a pneumatic thingy handy
just-in-case.

Anyway, we finally managed to get it off with a particularly long spanner
- at least a couple of foot!
So, size *is* everything!!
When I was trying to use my various wrenches  & my 12" ratchet spanner, I had
my foot on one of my rear (its a 109") spring hangers, to put my full force
against it - and it wouldn't shift.

Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions, and it looks like I'll be buying an
impact driver later today (been on my list of "wants" for quite a while).

After changing the filter, I can now see the "geometry" of the half-gallon-tin
idea. *Next* time, I'll have one handy!   :-)

Also on my shopping list - a particularly long handled wench!

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 05:52:41 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Sump & lug nuts

First, who started calling wheel nuts lug nuts?

I have one of the craddock HD wheel braces.  I keep meaning to
buy one of those crossbraces with a socket to make removal
quicker.  I used air impact guns for a while & I hate undoing wheel
nuts by hand.  Anyway, I have weller wheels with more off set than
normal LR wheels and I can just get the handle to clear the tyre.
There is enough clearance to stand on the handle.  If you have
wide wheels with a silly offset it might be worth trying one
before you buy.  But it is unlikely that you will have sillier
wheels than me.

The police use these as universal door keys.  You just put it
through the window...

As for your sump nut Richard, I'd use a trolley jack to turn
what ever implement you use.  Trevor's description had me
rolling round the floor spluttering coffee everywhere, I've
done similar things far to often.

A safer method is to get the handle as near horizontal as possible and
lift it with you trolley jack.  When it slips you are safely out
of the way.  I learnt this trick on a Metro where the front spoiler
coincides with the end of my T bar exactly!  There is just enough
room to get enough momentum to bruise your knuckles!

How about heat the oil (and sump) then cool the plug with some ice?

Have fun, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:55:42 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Oil Change Problem

>Also on my shopping list - a particularly long handled wench!
>Richard

You dont want one that's been handled,you dont know where she's been:-)
Mike Rooth

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:59:31 -0700
From: Heather Dixon <hldixon@top.monad.net>
Subject: Re: selling into Mass.

Mark,

After a vehicle is 10 years old in the State of NH you no longer need a 
title when selling it, just a bill of sale.

Heather

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