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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:37:07 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Speedo cables

Hi all, apologies for replying long after the end of the thread
but I've been on a course & didn't have enough time to read all
my mail.

I don't see the problem with speedo cable replacement.  It takes
about 10 minutes on a lightweight, & that's allowing for the
time taken to find 2 screwdrivers!

Have fun, Steve

PS: rebuild progress, rear 2/3 or chassis has paint on now!

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 16 Sep 96  7:44:02 EDT
Subject: Off-road First Aid class forming - Boston, Ma. USA area

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:04:38 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Re: Mint Rover for Sale

I am accepting bids during this week for a totally re-built 1962 SWB 
88" 6/7 swat Station Wagon with real beanch seats, reconditioned Ser 
11A gear box with overdrive. New brake system including dual 
circuit,servo assist, disc brakes at front and cupro-nickel pipes. New 
interior with "trakkers" hi-pack front seats,door 
trims,carpets,sound-proofing and roof headlining.New hot-diped 
galvanised in molten zinc chassi.
The engine is a Turner re-built 2.5 liter petrol  with latest camshaft 
and gasflowed cyclinder head for more power. This Rover easily does 
65-70MPH.The Rover was rebuilt by Warwick in England.I have 10500 
miles on this wagon.The entire wagon is in MINT condition.
The highest bid over $25,000 gets the prize.
If you are looking for a great deal this is not for you;if you are 
looking for a GREAT rover this is it.
Please e-mail me direct.
Benjamin G. Newman,MD

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 8:21:38 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Split the list?2...

Richard Maynard sez...
"I was lying under the Rover the other day...."
	Some people lie under their Rovers, some lie about them, some lie 	
because of them and others simply apply Bondo to hide the truth.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 8:28:16 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Mint Rover for Sale

Is that spearmint or peppermint?
Sounds like a nice truck, but I think you'll have a hard time moving it 
for that price. Good luck.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:42:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: generator alternator

On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, David J. Mercer wrote:

> What is censuses on switching your generator to an alternator and dose =
> that mean you also change it from a positive earth to negative earth or =
> can you just install the alternator with a diode that cuts half the wave =
> of the ac current also has there been any consensus on what brand and =

	Alternator?  Probably AC Delco.

	Stay +ve earth?  Lucas.  You can flip the diodes and make it +ve
	earth.  Never tried this trick on the stack in a AC Delco
	alternator.  

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:47:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Series Database

On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Roger Sinasohn wrote:

> > One question that I wish I had asked up front is mileage.  
> But how many LR's have working Speedometers/odometers?

	Or 88's with 750/16 tires...

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:58:15 -0400
Subject: Re: sightings

I have seen the guy at the Lake Geneva Wisc Rally and he put those stripes on
himself.  I don't think he has online service but I could be wrong.  Usually
when I see someone  with a Rover I ask if they are on the list.  At the
British Car Festival I met a few guys that are online with the Chgo Land
Rover Club.  How many of us members are on this list.????please reply to me
if you are so we can keep in touch online about specific CLRC matters.  The
newsletter is good but it is "snail-mail".
Greg

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 13:52:49 UT
From: "Douglas Main, jr" <douglastmain@msn.com>
Subject: Series I Air Cleaner

Hello All,

I Have been reading this line on the mystery of the paper element Series I air 
cleaner and I think the previous owner may have adapted the paper element 
precleaner to the carb.

Just a thought.

Doug Main

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From: Grant Kirkman <gkirkman@iafrica.com>
Subject: Exhauster Assembly
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:27:05 +0200

Anybody aware of the 500 or so Series III's that were fitted with =
Perkins 236 Diesel (Atlantis Diesel Engines) engines in South Africa =
around the mid 80's. If so, do you know where I can get hold of an =
Exhuaster Assembly kit for overhauling this assembly? It is a little =
pulley driven air pump that assists the brake master cylinder.

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:59:43 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Solenoid failure

     Hello all!
     
     I am relatively new to your LRO forum but have been watching the 
     questions, answers, and commentaries fly.  I did try to answer one 
     question (Rob in Concord, MA) with no response.
     
     Well, to the chase.  I am driving a 1970 88" SIIa and have found a 
     problem when starting the vehicle.  I found that the solenoid appears 
     to have given up and could not find a modern replacement that was a 
     suitable match to the existing wiring.  I did find a replacement that 
     would require a little cutting and crimping, but would rather avoid 
     it.  
     
     Has anyone found a part (and manufacturer or car model...) that will 
     replace this?  The one I speak of is as follows:
     
        Two large lugs for the battery and starter cable, one small         
        strait/flat for the signal from the key (to activate) and another   
        for ignition?  
     
     This is not like on the '60 with two large and two small lugs (which 
     by the way is an easy replacement).  
     
     I hope with all your trucks and experience somebody has a good 
     replacement idea.  I am also searching for one from an old truck (and 
     hoping).  All suggestions welcome and thanks in advance.  Keep up the 
     good work.
     
     Ray Scholl
     rscholl@lib.com
     Acton, MA
     1970 88" SIIa      great shape
     1960 88" SII       nearly restored 

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 10:54:20 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Solenoid failure

Are you interested in getting the replacement part? Do you know about the 
various parts houses that specialize in Land Rovers?
If you want to get the exact part you might try calling:
Rovers North Inc.
The Specialists in Land Rovers 
Rt. 128 VT, Box 61
Westford, Vermont 0540
Phone (802) 879-0032
Fax (802) 879-9152

Overland Motors (http://www.overlandmotors.com) ask for Eric Zipken.

Atlantic British (AB) { don't have their # handy }

With these vendors you get brand new in the box genuine Land-Rover 
replacements.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:17:31 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Web Page Address

Hi all,

The following is my first trial at a Web page.  It describes
briefly my restoration project.

http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm

Give it a try!
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:31:35 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: Dormobiles!

>Dormobiles indeed !
>Rgds Quintin Aspin
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Ps the chassis # is 351007099 It is a 6 cyl rhd
> And it's been here since APRIL

        Recently sold a 1961 Dormobile that I bought in Nov. of 1994, sold
in June of 1996. But went out complete, owner has now gotten 80 percent of
the parts needed, and is now proud of his original Dormobile.
        He needs back seats, want to make the call to gut that one, he'll
gladly pay you for the seats. I'll also take all the other parts, as I have
one here that needs a roof.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 11:21:18 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Thanks on the solenoid - Al, one more

     Al, 
     
        I will look at the Ford model w/push on connectors.  Would you 
     happen to know the car models it fits (for auto parts xref) or the 
     manufacture and model (like standard, blue streak, etc) ??  
     
                        Thanks in advance,
     
                                        Ray

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:38:58 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Removing Viscous fan

I'm rying to fit a kenlowe fan but I cannot get the old viscous one off

I'v even bought a special viscous fan spanner but nothing will shift it!

any clues?

(I'm doing a 110 V8 if that makes any difference)

___________________________________________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow

Orpington, Kent, U.K.

whastelow@atlas.co.uk

___________________________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:46:27 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: SIII TRANSFER BOX

I have just fitted a replacement gearbox to the SIII, but the Drive 
selector lever will not stay located in 2WD (forward). Investigation 
shows that the detent plunger and spring, and the indentation on the 
selector shaft are fine. The gears, however, will not slide fully into 
position.
I suspect that the problem lies within the front output shaft housing.
Question. Can the housing be detached from the transfer box without 
removing same? The LR manual says "First remove the transfer box", but I 
suspect that it is not necessary.
Does anyone know for sure?
I am going to try dismantling the old gearbox first, anyway, to 
ascertain impirically, but prior knowledge is always helpful.
After this little problem is sorted, I can then fit the shiny rebuilt 
engine and go Landrovering again - hopefully while the sun still shines.

Cheers

-- 
David G. Olley
1974 SIII 2.5 litre petrol
-----------------------------------------------------
New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
-----------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:05:06 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Rancho-9000 help

Does anyone have experience using adjustable shocks on the front of a 109? 
Any opinions? I want the option of a plush highway ride. The two year old 
stock Woodheads are dying, but worked well when new. The Rancho 9000's are 
on sale around here.
Thanks
John Ousterhout
jouster@earth.rocket.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:30:52 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: Dormobile Dilemma

snip........So I thought I would offer the fellow Rovernauts on this list
first refusal on the Dormobile parts or at least the opportunity to talk me
out of the entire idea. Suggestions would be entertained. (Or at least
entertaining ).........snip

Suggestions...Probably worth less than you paid...

1) Keep it "intact" and sell it eventually...sell it to Mike Smith.....If it
doesn't sell see 2 below....

What makes a dormobile a dormobile? Sounds as thought your vehicle has
already been ravaged....to some extent....

2) Rip apart the dormobile and covert it to a 5 door for sale.....To salvage
your karma you may have to install (at no expense to me) the dormobile roof
onto my Toyota landcruiser (Hmmmm, what would it take to salvage my Karma as
a result????)

3) Consult a feng shui (guess at spelling)... if you open the windows and
park the dormobile in an appropriate fashion it may sell.....You may have to
plant some trees as well, (I'm not a feng shui so I'm not sure) (if it
doesn't work see 2 above)

4) Post a note to the LRO list that you were kidding and were talking
hypothetically and then do what ever you want. (see 2 above)

pat yourself on the back for soliciting comments....Whatever you decide at
least you got some feedback...

Good luck.....

Rob M Concord, MA USA
'67 dormobile (stump pullin' B+B on wheels) 
'84 FJ60 toyota landcruiser (future project)

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:26:20 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Dormobile dilemma

> I have a Dormobile that I have been trying to sell for some considerable 
> time. 
[...]
> Rgds Quintin Aspin
> nr Washington DC

There's your problem.  Don't you know that all the Dormobiles belong on the 
west coast?  8^)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 13:13:37 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Solenoid (again)

     Al,
     
        The local auto parts store cross-referenced the LTD and similar 
     models back and they look like the one from the 1960 88" that I 
     mentioned - 2 large and 2 small lugs.  I need one with 2 large and 3 
     push-on connectors.  Is this what you have or meant?  If so, maybe I 
     will just go back to crimping on what I need and next time it won't 
     matter.
     
        Also, does changing this distract from 'originality', should I 
     care, and will anyone else care?
     
                                Thanks again,
     
                                Your favorite pest, Ray
     
     P.S.  Ron M. - Concord,  did you resolve your universal issue?
     
     Ray Scholl
     rscholl@lib.com

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 16 Sep 96 13:45:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Solenoid (again)

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:52:46 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Aaargh!

Richard Marsden wrote:
> Spent all the weekend lifting the floor, replacing the gearstick + putting
> everything back including paint and sealant. I had serious wobble/grubscrew
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
> :-)) ), and the drive at home is on a nice slope that I can back off.
> Cheers
> Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR with 8 forward gears and no reverse)

The great thing about this list is that it reminds you of problems which
you'd forgotten you'd had before - and solved!

Your missing reverse problem reminds me of something similar with my Red
109 (which is Green, but called red - that's another story!) I can't
remember perfectly, but I am sure I lost reverse because the bracket
(hinged affair I believe) which fixes to the metal plate just above the
ball of the gear stick was jamming - try taking the centre cover off
again and examining how easily the gear shofts - the problem may well
lie outside the box.
-- 
Good luck!

adrian redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:53:39 -0400
Subject: Item for sale - individual selling .. no profit movite!

I recently purchased a Camel Trophy Tucuman jacket for my wife.  (Why would
anyone in PHX need such a heavy jacket?  She spends about 65% of her time in
Washington state where the winters a cooler than here .)

The purchase was from the LR Supermarket in the UK.  The gentleman that I
spoke with warned me that the jackets are cut rather large.  I ordered one
anyway in a size  small, color navy blue.  

When it arrived and my wife tried it on, we found that he was correct.  It is
very large even for a small.  The tag inside it ways 48 which they maintain
is a small.   It almost fits me except in the sleeve length... but I’m 6’2".
 Therefore, if you’re of average height and weight, it will fit you.

I would rather not hassle with returning it to the UK.  If anyone on the list
is interested, I’ll sell it to you for the same price I paid:  383 pounds.
 Of course, I want dollars for it but an too lazy to do the conversion..  We
can agree on the conversion factor later.  I’ll pay the shipping to you and
have already paid the customs on it.   Therefore you save shipping to the US
and the customs... 

This is a GoreTex jacket with full, zip-out fleece liner.  It is a very, very
nice jacket & would be the perfect Christmas gift for you or a loved one.  It
is a man’s jacket (which my wife prefers..cut a little larger than woman’s
but not this large!)

Please call or  e-mail me directly if you’re interested and we’ll work out
the details.  Otherwise, I ship it back to the UK on Wednesday.

If this posting offends anyone, keep in mind that I trying to (1) allow a
list reader to save a little money based on my mistake, (2) alert readers
that jacket sizes are larger than US readers may be used to and (3) save the
hassle of returning an item overseas.  I'm not making a penny from the sale
therefore this technically isn't a for-profit posting.

Thanks..
Gerry Elam
Office: 602-460-2084
Home: 602-460-2086
e-mail: gelam30092@aol.com
PHX  AZ

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 14:02:28 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Solenoid (again)

     Al,
     
><>>>>        The local auto parts store cross-referenced the LTD and similar 
     models back and they look like the one from the 1960 88" that I 
     mentioned - 2 large and 2 small lugs.  I need one with 2 large and 3 
     push-on connectors.  

I used one from a Ford, as I was instructed. It didn't look anyhting like what 
was on my truck originally. There are two battery cable terminals, one for the 
battery to switch cable and the other for the switch to starter cable. The other
terminals were small screw post terminlas, not spade teminals like on the Lucas 
part. I just crimped on the proper connecters and popped it on ther, didn't 
quite fit right so I had to drill a new hole. Big deal. Originality? Feh...
The old one turned out to be ok, on top of it all. And no, you can't have it, 
I'm going to use it for my winch. Whenever I get that stupid 20+ year old motor 
sorted out. Anybody have any ideas on what the weight of 150' of 5/16" cable is 
going to do to my already slightly worn front springs???
     
>>>      Your favorite pest, Ray
     
Sorry, Ray, we've already got a favorite pest...See Nate Dunsmore's web page for
a portrait.
    

Cheers
Dave B.
SIII 88- oil out...water in!

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:43:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Aaargh!

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Your missing reverse problem reminds me of something similar with my Red
> 109 (which is Green, but called red - that's another story!) I can't

	You should check out the Red Green show sometime (if you ever
	have the opportunity)  Fits in with LR ownership quite well.
	(On PBS your those south of the border in the Excited States)

	Rgds,

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Tom=E1s_Parreira?= <jparreira@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: There goes a valve ...
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:39:31 +-200

Hi guys:

Now I've done it. Broke an exhaust valve, wrecked the head and a piston. =
A mess :-(

I've replaced the head, with new valves, valve seats (?), checked all =
possible gaps
in the distribution system, brand new seals, but ... I have a strange =
tic-tic noise
coming from the engine. Checked the crankshaft, no problem, the bearings =
are
alright (just 2000 KMs) and the engine is running like a clock. But the =
f.... noise
doesn't go away.

My new possibility is the camshaft and its bearings but I really have no =
faith. The
engine is again stripped off and the I have noticed a little play in the =
first piston. But the piston is new and the piston rings are also new =
(0.30). Let me say that I'm not
a mechanic. I have a professional mechanic, very known here in Portugal =
for its
ability dealing with Land Rovers (he came from Mozambique). I am affraid =
I am
being swindled! Now he says that the block suffered an overheat (and it =
did, why
I don't know) and that it needs some work on the surface around the =
first cilinder.
What do you LR experts think of all this? The tic-tic noise, what could =
it be?
I have already spent a fortune in this LR SIII and dispite all this I =
LOVE IT and I
WON'T SELL IT. He came out of the ashes once, he will come again.

I would appreciate your help.

Happy Rovering (for me is STAND BY MODE)

********************************************
* Joao Parreira	| jparreira@mail.telepac.pt
* Aveiro - PORTUGAL
* INTELLECTOR Ltd.
* I.T. Consultant
* 1980 LR 88' SIII
********************************************

LAND ROVER'S FIRST
BECAUSE LAND ROVERS LAST! :-)

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:47:56 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: interior rain reduction

I have 2 fixed (inoperable) windows in my roof ('67 IIa dormobile) When it
rains outside I get rain inside as a results of leaking window
rubbers.....Anyone have any advice with regard to repairing or
reconditioning the rubber seals? Is replacement the reccomended route?
what's the cost? 

Rob MacCormick
Associate Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety Department
Harvard University
46 Oxford Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
(617)-495-3055 (office - voicemail)
(617)-495-0593 (fax machine)
(617)-746-0145 (pager, input your phone #)
rob_maccormick@harvard.edu (email)
1576245@pager.mcb.com (SHORT (<80 characters) emails to pager)

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:43:31 +0001
Subject: Q: SIII Smiths blower, power source.

All

I finally got my Smiths to work again today. Demisting is 
much more comfortable than waving at just anybody.

I started pulling the unit itself and taking it apart to check it. 
Nothing was wrong and i just did some maintenance and put it back in.
Then i tried to feed the switch with a different wire and the blower 
started to work. Does anyone know where the brown/yellow wire from 
the switch gets the power from?. It is clustered with the other 
blower wires, but doesnt show on the other side of the bulkhead.
The blower runs on an alternative connection from the fusebox now.

BTW. The coil resistor from the blower housing was beginning to 
uncoil itself, so i wrapped it in tape and placed it behind the dash 
instead. Since i'm quite often trying to spot electrical faults, i 
can keep an eye on it.

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:43:31 +0001
Subject: Re: Series Database

 > > One question that I wish I had asked up front is mileage.  
 > But how many LR's have working Speedometers/odometers?

Mine does. Now. Much better mileage now.

rgds
sv/aurens 

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:44:50 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Dormobile Dilemma

Rob MacCormick wrote:

> your karma you may have to install (at no expense to me) the dormobile roof
> onto my Toyota landcruiser (Hmmmm, what would it take to salvage my Karma as
> a result????)

It would take more than a doormobile roof to salvage a landcruiser ;-0

Greg

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:05:19 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: There goes a valve ...

> I've replaced the head, with new valves, valve seats (?), checked all =
> possible gaps
> in the distribution system, brand new seals, but ... I have a strange =
> tic-tic noise
> coming from the engine. 

Could it be a bit of tappet noise? Might be worth adjusting.

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 15:27:53 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: interior rain reduction

With regard to fixed window glass seals, you can either buy new sealing 
rubber (either from JC Whitney or even a local glass shop) or do a 
stop-gap repair by using good 'ol silicone sealant. I recommend the 
first, as it will likely last longer.
On the other hand, carefully applied, silicone can be a long-lasting and 
effective repair. Using a wet finger (spit) you can get a pretty good 
looking fillet of sealant along the edges of the seal.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: taking out trees?

I noticed a brief statement about running down trees on Fridays list.  I 
don't remember who said it, but please tell me it was a joke?  Whatever 
happened to tread lightly...

Rich
D90 2948 "no more scar"

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:05:58 -0700
From: parch@smmff.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: theoretical question

Just a thought,
        If one was to take a '58 2-litre SII 88" and replace the rusted out
origional chassis with a '69 frame/bulkhead, and then installed a 2.25
litre engine when the old 2-litre lump wore out, would the vehicle still be
a '58 or should it be re-classified?

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:06:03 -0700
From: parch@smmff.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: theroetical question

Just a thought,
        If one was to take a '58 2-litre SII 88" and replace the rusted out
origional chassis with a '69 frame/bulkhead, and then installed a 2.25
litre engine when the old 2-litre lump wore out, would the vehicle still be
a '58 or should it be re-classified? I remember that when talking to
members of the Shelby club, I was told that if someone wrecked a '65 shelby
GT-350, and removed all the special Shelby parts including the data plate
and installed them onto a clean '65 Mustang fastback, the new vehicle would
be declared a true Shelby, even have ol' Carrol's approval. I know this is
comparing apples to oranges, but... any comments.
Paul

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....uh oh Lucas strikes again :^(
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-back from the dead "going strong" (Squeak)

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 16:14:12 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: theroetical question

Reminds me of the story of Great Great Great Great Grandfather's axe: He 
brought it over on the Mayflower. It's in original condition, except for 
we replaced the handle three times and the head twice.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: taking out trees?

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, 12/4/95 wrote:

> I noticed a brief statement about running down trees on Fridays list.  I 
> don't remember who said it, but please tell me it was a joke?  Whatever 
> happened to tread lightly...

	No joke.  It has been done on private land and hydro cuts (where
	Hydro is going to come along and do the same thing) to garbage
	trees like poplar etc.  This instance was on a trail/road building 
	exercise, something that we generally do yearly to help members gain
	access to winter supplies of firewood.  Tread lightly has its place,
	but that place is not everywhere and at all times as some think.
	You're welcome to come on our next forey if you wish...

  

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:27:48 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: taking out trees?

No joke.  It has been done on private land and hydro cuts (where
        Hydro is going to come along and do the same thing) to garbage
        trees like poplar etc. 

We do the same thing here in Texas with garbage trees like mesquite,
problem is with thorns that love to eat rubber.  Some tractors use 26
ply 757 tires with homemade vulcanized tread!

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:40:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: taking out trees?

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Herman L. Stude wrote:

> We do the same thing here in Texas with garbage trees like mesquite,

	Well, taking a run at that 3" diameter ironwood will quickly
	teach you to identify your tree types...

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:42:52 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: taking out trees?

The three inch mesquite gives you a little lift. Three inch oaks might
require a bumper overrider kit!

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:42:52 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: taking out trees?

The three inch mesquite gives you a little lift. Three inch oaks might
require a bumper overrider kit!

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:02:10 -0700
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: theroetical answer

(snip)
(Paul Archibald asks about transplanting lots of parts, is it the same vehicle?)

When I obtained a titled 109 doner chasis for my rusted-out frame, I visited 
the DMV with my two titles and the rotted remains on a flatbed. They said I 
didn't need to do anything at all to be legal. Their attitude (Bellevue, 
Washington) was that the data plate was what identified the legal vehicle. I 
was concerned because, by now (465,000miles, more or less), everything has 
been replaced at least once since leaving the factory. The data plate may be 
the last original part. I assume you all know about Abe Lincoln's axe? (3 
new heads and 15 new handles since he owned it, but a fine, historically 
significant tool, still in daily use)

'64 109 diesel 5-door (Safari-SoGoody)
jouster@earth.rocket.com (John Ousterhout)

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 17:57:56 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: For Sale

Art-

On 7/12 you posted the following parts. Are any of them still available?
Particularly the soft top...

Thanks 

Dave Bobeck
Washington DC

-Soft top; used two seasons very good condition   $200.00
-Tropical Roof Panel      $350.00
-Upper Tail Gate w/ hardware     $150.00
-Lower Tailgate       $275.00
-5 16" Wheels with Michelin M&S Tires    $300.00
-2.25L Petrol Engine complete     $500.00
-Rebuilt 2.25 cylinder head     $400.00
-Early series IIA radiator panel w/grill   $120.00
-Rear safari door with tire carrier    $ 75.00

If anyone is interested contact me @

atha@mindport.com
or
(860)887-3480
(860)859-1897
Truck and all parts are on Southeastern Connecticut

Thanks

Art Patsouris

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:18:45 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Berkeley BCD

Just got back from Berkeley British Car Day.  My, how the rovers have 
changed in the past half-dozen years!  Five or six years ago, we were lumped 
into the "open touring" class, along with Royce (no rolls) touring sedans, 
bulbous Nashs and whatnot.  Today, there were 35 Rover - the LARGEST class 
except for MGB's.

Land Rover was the featured marque.  So to add a bit more spice we thought 
it would be nice to give a winching demo.  We were parked right on the banks 
of the James River (about a mile wide here) and Mike backs his 88 down over 
the verge into the reeds in the water.  I set up to (capstan) winch him out, 
using a (shudder) J. C. Whitless snatch block.  (Strange as it sounds for a 
seaside/port city, snatch blocks are *unavailable* - and I have looked high 
and low.)  I'm using this 9/16" Sampson dacron-polyester halyard line with 
very low stretch and a -supposedly- 9,000# strength.  Suffice to say, it's 
now about 30' shorter.  Snapped that sucker in front of a hundred people.  
Nice thing, though - when it broke, the line just fell to earth, didn't fly 
anywhere.  

Anyway, Diesel Bob drove off with first place for his 1967 Forward Control. 
Man...that 2.6 is sweet when it's in tune - you can hardly hear it at 
tickover.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 18:38:15 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: For Sale

Ummm. Duh. I pressed da wrong butin.

Dave "Don't even think about buying that soft top" B.

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:56:37 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re:Red Green Show

Dixon Kenner wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Adrian Redmond wrote:
> > Your missing reverse problem reminds me of something similar with my Red
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>         (On PBS your those south of the border in the Excited States)
>         Rgds,
What is the Red/Green show? 109 was green when I bought her then was
painted red to match a Volkswagen LT bus which my company had at the
time, as time went by, I became a LR fan, and purchased the green 88.
More time went by and I found myself "ashamed" to be seen driving a
non-LR coloured LR, so after a while 109 regained her green status, as
by then we had established the annual spray job in our workshop at the
company. So now they are both green, but we all have got used to the
names because all my staff (who are not addicts of LR and Lucas!) cannot
remember wheelbase designations, so the names red and green have stuck.

what is the Red/Green show anyway?
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:13:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Rebuilt Vehicles (Update)

According to this week's Automotive News House Bill 2900 which would require
a permanent title brand for salvaged vehicles that would be carried from one
state to another is unlikely to pass before Congress adjourns in two weeks.
The bill has 156 co-sponsors. A witness testified "In some states, as many as
70 percent of all rebuilt salvage vehicles are finding their way into
used-car commerce without any indication thet the vehicle has suffered
substantial damage in an accident".

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

------------------------------

From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:27:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Forward Control Availability

Heather observes:
>;When we were at Downeast 8 in Maine this past summer there were 2 FC
>>101's at the event. One was registered in Maine and one in NH. Both were
>>driven there.
and TeriAnn responds:
>That does not mean that they are registered as Land Rover 101s with the
>correct year.

Actually I think the situation is this:
Your local state authorities will register the vehicle as whatever you have
documentation for, and I doubt many will question the identity of a Land
Rover.
But, you don't want to have a conversation with US Customs, EPA or NHSTA
about how your FC101(or other undocumented alien) came to be in the US
registered and driven on the highway. Such a conversation is very unlikely
assuming you keep a low profile. Crossing into Canada and back might not be a
good idea, but probably wouldn't be a problem as long as the FC is licensed
in the US and being driven. Don't do what happened 25 years ago when the
owner of a Lotus Seven told Road & Track how he got it past Customs. It was
confiscated shortly afterward.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

------------------------------

From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:36:14 -0400
Subject: Re: 3.8 Pontiac engine transplant (Buick V6)

Rob wants more power:
> I hope to keep the list updated on my efforts to install a 1980 3.8 
>v6 engine in my LR.

I believe that this is the same as the Buick V6, although there was also a
different Chevy 3.8 V6 at the time. Assuming it is the Buick engine I believe
(but don't guarentee) the bolt pattern for the bell housing is the same as
the Rover (ex Buick) V8. This should simplify the conversion since engine to
trans adaptors for the Rover V8 should work, and the engine may also fit
without modifying the bulkhead.

The Buick V6 started life as 3/4 of a cast iron derivative of the aluminum V8
which was later sold to Rover. The V6 was sold to Willys Jeep, and later
bought back. A derivative is still used in various GM fwd cars, and a rwd
version is also used in Firebirds and Camaros. Holdens has also used the rwd
in the Commodore.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:53:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Solenoid (again)

Ray has a solenoid mystery:
>The local auto parts store cross-referenced the LTD and similar 
>     models back and they look like the one from the 1960 88" that I 
>     mentioned - 2 large and 2 small lugs.

Now I have a mystery: what is a 1960 88" doing with a solenoid. As far as I
know all positive ground LRs used a push switch under the dash which directly
worked the starter. Prehaps a later modification, or are you refering to
something else?

David Cockey
Rochester, MI
1960 SII 88" PU
1960 SII 88" SW

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:03:01 -0400
Subject: Re: theoretical question

Paul is wondering:
>        If one was to take a '58 2-litre SII 88" and replace the rusted out
>origional chassis with a '69 frame/bulkhead, and then installed a 2.25
>litre engine when the old 2-litre lump wore out, would the vehicle still be
>a '58 or should it be re-classified?

In the US the state folks will probably classify according to the VIN plate
and corresponding title.
In the UK I understand that technically the VIN plate is overridden by the
chassis number according to the licensing folks. Just try to find the chassis
number.
The insurance folks go with the state in general, but if you make lots of
changes you might want to explain it to them.
ARC would still consider it a Land Rover since all the parts are Rover in
origin.
The rest of us would consider it a Land Rover.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:09:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Berkeley BCD

Was there a grey(?) LR from the Maryland/Penn. line area. My brother met a
fellow at his son's soccer game who said he was driving down. Sometimes it is
a small world.

Regards,
David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

------------------------------

From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 16 Sep 96 20:49:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Solenoid (again)

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:13:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Misc. Sightings

Wow!

Even for one who's seen quite a few Rover products...I was quite surprised at 
the quantity of the vehicle on Nantucket.  Just got back and here's the tally.

4 U.S. spec D110:  One painted Green with a black HT...Mass tags.  One with a 
black roof and upper roll-cage painted black.

10 (approximately) D90s.  A couple SWs, as well as all manner of soft-tops.

1 SIIA military ambulance

2 lightweights of differing vintages (one SIII)

1 110 regular with full canvas and part of a D90 roll cage installed.  Owner 
from RN....

3-4 109 Station-Wagons...various vintages.

I couldn't count how many 88" models....most U.S spec with hard-tops.  One well 
used with a P-U top.

Uncountable number of Discos

Uncountable number of Rangies (Classic and 4.0)

Sooooo ... any list members actually willing to fess up and admit they're on Fog 
Island?

Eric

P.S. Also saw a Stage One Station Wagon on Block Island 'bout a month ago.

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:13:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Forward Control Availability

On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Heather Dixon <hldixon@top.monad.net> wrote:
>On Sat. 9/14 TeriAnn writes;

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
><<Just an FYI 101 cab forwards are not legal to drive on the road in the
><<United States.

Depends on your definition of "legal" and your definition of a "101".

>When we were at Downeast 8 in Maine this past summer there were 2 FC 
>101's at the event. One was registered in Maine and one in NH. Both were 
>driven there.

Actually, one was registered in NY...one of the easiest states in which to 
register a kit car.  Surmise what you will.

Eric

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:03:08 -0400
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: LROI Subscriptions

We have discovered that subscriptions are being offered in the US at the
rate of $99.  The current rate for a new subscription of 13 issues is GBP57,
about US$86. A renewal is GBP52. 

These third party suppliers are not authorised to make such offerings by
LROI Magazine or by LRO Shop.  If you have any doubts about the price you
have paid for a subscription please contact us.  We can be reached from
North America at 1-888-LRO-SHOP or by email at lroshop@idirect.com

You can also check official prices at our site http://web.idirect.com/~lroshop/

Many thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:03:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Range Rover frame rot

Sorry about the cross post but this is a subject the series owners probably
know more about.

While under the RR Sunday, I found a section of the frame with a hole rusted
though.  The hole is about 3in high by 4in long and is located by the right
head catalitic converter in the side of the frame.  The frame is quite tall
in this area and the frame is solid on the other 3 sides.  A second hole is
just past the cat, just before the cross member under the transmission.
This hole is about 1in diameter.

What is the best way to treat this problem and keep it from spreading?

BTW...on my parking brake job, I used an impact driver and the screws backed
out right away.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883   lmkessler@srnet.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:58:31 -0700
From: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (john hess)
Subject: dormobile flourescent lights

Hello to the few dormobile people out there,

My flourescent light was working intermittently, so I took it out to have a
look see.  I way quite surprised to see a crude circuit board with a couple
resistor/transistor things and a coil mounted behind the face plate.

Anyway, I went to a trailer/rv supply place and bought a replcement ballast
for a 12V DC flouresecent light.  The thing was too big.  I went back to
day and bought another brand and it looks like it will work out.

Thin Lite replacement 12 VDC ballast kit.  Use only with thin lite product!
(oops, oh well)
Thin lite corp. 530 constitution ave, camarillo, CA 93012

PS.  I know intermittent sounds like bad ground, but the light and my top
up warning light are the same ground, and the top up light works perfectly,
so I blame the light fixture itself.  Don't knwo what the parts
individually do, but replacing them en mass should fix the thing.

Does anyone find this useful?

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner!

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Removing Viscous fan
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:47:40 +-200

Simon Ward-Hastelow[SMTP:whastelow@atlas.co.uk] wrote:
I'm rying to fit a kenlowe fan but I cannot get the old viscous one off
I'v even bought a special viscous fan spanner but nothing will shift it!
any clues?
(I'm doing a 110 V8 if that makes any difference)

It have to be removed the wrong way around, try to turn it clockwise when you stand
 in front of the vehicle.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers, Denmark.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Aaargh!
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 8:36:55 BST

> Richard Marsden wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
> Good luck!
> adrian redmond

Thanks for the suggestion.
I lifted the floor last-night, and guess what I found?
Yes, the switch stuck too far out - stopping the end of the gearstick
engaging properly.
The switch only came with one nut, so I (wrongly) assumed that the length was
correct, and it was meant to be tightened up flush with the bracket. Alas,
its meant to be about halfway (the switch and hole are both threaded, so its
still possible to lock it in position).

Definitely a silly mistake time, but they do say we all learn from our
mistakes!
Now got a comfortable non-wobbly gearstick.
Only need an electric drill, couple of lights, some connectors, and I'll
reversing lights too!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: There goes a valve ...
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 8:43:15 BST

> Hi guys:
> Now I've done it. Broke an exhaust valve, wrecked the head and a piston. =
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> alright (just 2000 KMs) and the engine is running like a clock. But the =
> f.... noise
> doesn't go away.

I know little about engines, but when I had a ticking noise, it was the
distributor and/or ht cables. 100 miles later, it decided it wasn't going
anywhere fast, and I had a Landy specialist civilianise all my ht electrics
(I'd been having trouble for nearly 2 months)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:59:40 +0200
Subject: gauges

Hi,

I'm the one who started the gauge discussion (the fuel gauge, water 
temperature gauge and oil temperature gauge (ex-mil.) didn't move. Is this 
because of a bad fuse or something else ? If it is where can this fuse be 
located (lightweight)? I've checked the ones on  the steering wheel but they 
look fine).
They work ! And the problem was..... electrical: after checking the contacts 
of the fuses and the connections of the filaments (wire) everything worked 
fine. So even for a land-rover the coincidence of 3 broken parts at the same 
time was to much...

Philippe Carchon
'81 lightweight
Ghent, Belgium
Marnix Vangheluwe
Laboratory for Biological Research in Aquatic Pollution
J. Plateaustraat 22
University Ghent
9000 Gent, Belgium
T:  32 9 264 37 66
F:  32 9 264 41 99
E mail: marnix.vangheluwe@rug.ac.be

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:03:50 +0000
Subject: Re: SIII TRANSFER BOX

Quoting David Olley at New Concept, from 16 Sep 96

> position. I suspect that the problem lies within the front output shaft
> housing. Question. Can the housing be detached from the transfer box
> without removing same? The LR manual says "First remove the transfer
> box", but I suspect that it is not necessary. Does anyone know for sure?
To gain access to the main gearbox shafts, you have to enter via the front 
of the gearbox, which requires removal of the bell-housing - as you say.

The bell-housing is bolted to the gearbox by 4 bolts - all from within the 
bell-housing.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Temp Gauges
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 9:20:38 BST

Do you get this feeling of deja vu?

A little while back, there was a discussion about replacing gauges -
in-particular the mil. oil temp. capillary gauge with electric 12 v civvie
ones.

I've now got all my bits, or the last couple are on order.
Someone (I forget who) say that some where 10v, some were 12v.
IIRC the difference was IIA or III.
So, can someone confirm the voltage required by the water temperature gauge
on the early civvie 12v SIIIs?

I have the bits to build a suitable 12v regulator, but might require some
10v zeners...

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:07:34 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@www.adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Removing Viscous fan

Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
> I'm rying to fit a kenlowe fan but I cannot get the old viscous one off
> I'v even bought a special viscous fan spanner but nothing will shift it!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> whastelow@atlas.co.uk
> ___________________________________________________________________

Simon,

You neglect to specify the size hammer that you are trying. 

Seriously though, if the nut has work-tightened the jarring effect of a
judiciously applied blunt instrument can break the locked threads free
(never fails to work when the old hot spanner will wreak havoc).

Regards

Paul Oxley

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