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1 "ERIK BARR" [019542b@axe13Re: Dormobile Dilemma
2 myk [johnsonm@borg.com> 28Re: Split the list?
3 ASFCO@aol.com 22Re: Split the list?
4 robot1@juno.com 18sightings
5 Chris Brosious [brosious14Re: Wading plugs for the D90?
6 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi39Re: Split the list?
7 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi30Re: generator alternator
8 bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bo16fuel guage
9 twakeman@scruznet.com (T23Re: Dormobile Dilemma
10 twakeman@scruznet.com (T35Re: Split the list?
11 bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bo23fuel guage polarity
12 Adrian Redmond [channel660Split the list (NO THANKS!)
13 eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heit19Rebuilt vehicles
14 lopezba@atnet.at 21Re: Generator vs. alternator
15 eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heit19IIA For Sale
16 rovah@agate.net (John Ca16Forward Control Availability
17 Wdcockey@aol.com 26Re: Forward Control Availability
18 twakeman@scruznet.com (T21Re: Forward Control Availability
19 "Franklin H. Yap" [FHYap16Re: Split the list?
20 "David Lee" [DJFLee@msn.18RE: Series III Diffs
21 Pyramid [pyramid@netlink373 Ltr Exhaust


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From: "ERIK BARR" <019542b@axe.acadiau.ca>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:47:33 AST4ADT
Subject: Re: Dormobile Dilemma

>Dormobile curtain rods, the Florescent lamp, and those threaded
>mounting brackets attached to the body of your car that held the
>cooker in place.

Where is the fluorescent light mounted? How big is it?  I have a 
Dormobile but have never seen another other than in a picture. Just 
curious.

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:22:07 -0400
From: myk <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list?

At 01:07 PM 9/13/96 EDT, you wrote:
>I was lying under the Rover the other day, as you do, and I thought about the
>LRO list, and how some of it is really relevant to me (like other peoples LR
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>me?
>Cheers, Rich

I understand what you are saying.  I think the problem may be solved with a
sort of subject line discipline i.e
Subj: Tech, SIII breaks
Subj: GI (General Info) Waving a coil-springer
Subj: FS/WTB (For Sale or Want To But)
and so on.  I think the entire lexacon could be less than 5 catagories or
so.  Also if people used this meathos some of us using Eudora could
automatically route the "hot" infor into a seperate folder.  Don't know if
everyone would agree,  I don't claim to have the answers just my $.02.

Mike Johnson

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezabel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:35:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Split the list?

In a message dated 96-09-14 08:27:19 EDT, you write:

>At 01:07 PM 9/13/96 EDT, you wrote:
>>I was lying under the Rover the other day, as you do, and I thought about
>the
>>LRO list, and how some of it is really relevant to me (like other peoples
LR
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 14 lines)]
>>me?
>>Cheers, Rich
>>LRO list, and how some of it is really relevant to me (like other peoples

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT that again
Steve

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From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: sightings
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 09:12:09 EDT

On thursday the12th I was traveling eastbound on 294 in Illinois at about
mile marker 4 when I saw an ANSI safety yellow D90(?) with some kind of
white/green stripe pattern on the side, a straight line about 6" wide
which upturned at about 45 degrees at the door. Does this belong to
someone on the list? I wave, but as I'm driving a Probe, he/she never
notices. Nice vehicle, at any rate.

Mark Hardig
Robot10@aol.com

the British drink warm beer because Lucas also makes refrigeration
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 07:35:53 -0600
From: Chris Brosious <brosious@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re:  Wading plugs for the D90?

Hi Doug,
rubber freeze plugs are an excellent way to plug these; available at any 
auto parts store and in a number of sizes.  Also rubber PVC pipe plugs 
are really good too - get 'em at home supply places (Builders Square, 
Hugh M Woods, Homebase, Eagle H/W, Ace H/W etc.), and plastic plugs also 
available at h/w stores work well.

Chris Brosious
'94 D90

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:35:01 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Split the list?

Every few months, someone - tired of wading through the drivel - thinks we
should split the list. As new people subscribe, it happens again. Some of
the old people just split from the list. The cycle repeats over and over ad
nauseum. And so....

Rich writes...

>I was lying under the Rover the other day, as you do, and I thought...
-
First big mistake, Rich... Never lie under your Rover and think at the same
time! Unless you really *like* that strange pattern of oil splatters on your
forehead...

>What I thought was, how about splitting the list so that there is one
>general list for topics relevant to all of us ie not geographically
>limiting, and reserving the regional lists for regionally specific things?  -
-
Obviously, you know there are regional lists. What you may not know is that
at one time there was only one list and all the topics were on that. Then
all the coil-sprung weenies... uh, excuse me, owners of more modern Rovers
had to have thier own list. Then we got the regional lists. And finally, the
list was split as it exists today.   

Now, for those that don't know, I believe that you can get a listing of all
the lists by sending a message to Majordomo (Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net)
and putting just the word LISTS in the body of the message. The good Major
should send you a message back showing all the lists served.

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:35:09 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: generator alternator

David Mercer asks....

>What is censuses on switching your generator to an alternator and dose =
-that mean you also change it from a positive earth to negative earth or =
-can you just install the alternator with a diode that cuts half the wave =
-of the ac current also has there been any consensus on what brand and =
-model best fits in a Land Lover series. Thanks in advance 

It's not a difficult task unless you are really electrically challanged. You
have to switch to negative earth which is pretty easy to do. You also have
to  electrically bypass the voltage regulator. Delco alternators are
probably the most popular conversion here in the States. About the hardest
thing you'll have to do is fabricate a mounting bracket for the alternator.

I've put Delco alternators in my SerIII and IIa with no problems. A while
back there were a couple of sets of instructions floating around the list on
how to do it. They maybe in the FAQ or maybe someone has a copy handy they
can foward to you (the dog ate mine!).

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Subject: fuel guage 
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:00:08 -0700

Hi,
I don't remember if anyone mentioned to be sure the petrol tank is grounded?
Try a wire from one of the sender mount screws to the frame for a test.

Bob Bernard
 __________________________________________________
|>>>>>>>>>>>  bobnsueb@maxinet.com   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|
|Bob and Sue Bernard,  Paradise, CA,  916-877-5656 |  
|'69 88 SW Sherman, '60 88 P/U Stubby, '51 80 Nelly|
|__________________________________________________| 

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:25:08 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Dormobile Dilemma

At  8:47 AM 9/14/96 +0000, ERIK BARR wrote:
;
>>I do not know what parts you have left but I am in the market for
>>Dormobile curtain rods, the Florescent lamp, and those threaded
;>mounting brackets attached to the body of your car that held the
>>cooker in place.
>Where is the fluorescent light mounted? How big is it?  I have a
;Dormobile but have never seen another other than in a picture. Just
>curious.
;
It's mounted on the front edge of the hole in the roof for the pop-up.
There is trim all around the hole.  It mounts on the trim facing twords the
back.  If you had a middle centre front seat it would be just behind it on
the cutaway trim.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:25:11 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Split the list?

At  8:22 AM 9/14/96 -0400, myk wrote:

>At 01:07 PM 9/13/96 EDT, you wrote:
;>I was lying under the Rover the other day, as you do, and I thought about the
>>LRO list, and how some of it is really relevant to me (like other peoples LR
;         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 14 lines)]
>>me?
>>Cheers, Rich
;
>I understand what you are saying.
;
May I assume that the two of you steped inside your ARB lockers to get
something and failed to notice The time difference when you got out?
(steping into an ARB locker has the same affect on subjective time as
stepping into the entrance of a fairie hill).  This temporal effect also
explains why you almost can never find something that you are looking for
in the ARB locker, but continually find it in the way when you are looking
for something else.

The list split wars are over.  The list was split.  The LRO list is now for
series cars (series I through Defenders) and the RRO list is for the
coilers (Range Rover, Discovery and Defender).  This has already made
messages a lot more relavant to the subscribers of each list.  In addition
there are a number of regional lists that have formed.

All people need to do is make sure thay send their mail to the correct list

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Subject: fuel guage polarity
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:28:33 -0700

Hi,
Peter Hirsh commented about what Mike Smith (East Coast Rovers) said about
reversing the fuel gauge polarity when doing a negative ground(earth)
conversion.If you do, the guage will not work!
You're right, leave the guage alone.
Also the early S2a uses a different sender/guage combination than the later
S2a, and they don't work if mixed.
But the early (positive ground)will work on negative ground conversions 
if left alone.

Regards,
Bob B
 __________________________________________________
|>>>>>>>>>>>  bobnsueb@maxinet.com   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|
|Bob and Sue Bernard,  Paradise, CA,  916-877-5656 |  
|'69 88 SW Sherman, '60 88 P/U Stubby, '51 80 Nelly|
|__________________________________________________| 

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 17:35:23 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Split the list (NO THANKS!)

I've only been a "member" of this list for a few weeks, so maybe I'll
think differently in a year's time - however - right now, I think it
would be a pity to split the list. (I understand it's already been split
before!)

Many messages are "general info" or "club-news" type postings which in
principle are irellevant to many european readers - although... These
postings give us all an insight into Land Rover "culture" worldwide, and
as such are just as valuable as a specific positing about changing shock
absorbers or tuning valves.
 
If all we want from the postings is dry facts - there are plenty of
other sources of information - workshop manuals official and unofficial,
as well as our local workshop or dealer.

Many LR technical problems are far from specific to LR vehicles, or even
4WD - answers and solutions can be found from other experts and
enthusiats.
 
If this "club" is of any use whatsoever, such purpose lies (in my
opinion) precisely in the social or cultural aspect. We share a common
interest (some would call it madness!) - we share a common humour and
irony, which is particular to our vehicles. And most of us have learnt
that the most valuable knowledge about our vehicles is that little story
which you remember hearing from another LRO, but never thought (or
hoped) would be relevant for oneself.

If all we wanted is a reliable car to get from A to B in, then we have
chosen the wrong cars - by choosing LR we have sort of chosen to live in
a permanent state of renovation, repairs and mechanical experimentation,
where the story itself, and its telling, is just as important as the
vehicle.
 
This may seem a bit philosophical, but I can assure you all that for me,
the time "wasted" deleting postings which today seem irellevant, is time
well spent, gaining an insight into a truly zany, but down-to-earth
community of which I am proud to be a part.

Therefore let's keep the jargon, the drivel, the storytelling, and the
concrete mechanical questions jumbled up together - it's the best LR
"magazine" I've read so far!

hanks!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 12:10:52 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Rebuilt vehicles

My next-door neighbor, who owns a body shop, drives a pristine riceburner
pickup, which was totalled. So his title probably says "salvage" on it. In
fact, only the grille and quarter panel were totalled, but the insurance
people wrote off the truck because the repairs were a particular percentage
of the book value. So my neighbor got a late model pickup for a couple
hundered dollars and some junkyard sheet metal. So the salvage label can be
pretty meaningless.

 _______
 |___|__\__==
 | _ |  |  --]   Ned Heite, Camden, DE 19934        <DARWIN><
 =(O)-----(O)=                                        "   "

                             

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 21:07:30 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Generator vs. alternator

"David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net> asked about converting from dynamo to 
alternator.

The consensus seems to be that dynamo is fine as long as you don't have much 
in the way of stereo system, auxiliary lamps or electric winch that you 
actually use. The dynamo is as reliable as an alternator and may be better 
when wading. However, if you want to convert, there is a good article in LRO 
December 1994. You have to convert to negative earth, too, which is very 
easy. There are Lucas dynamos with the right brackets available, apparently, 
everything else needs a little engineering to fit it and keep it there.
If you don't have the LRO and you have access to a fax, I can fax you the 
article, it's only two pages (that simple a process! Hardly worth it!)
Regards
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:53:12 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: IIA For Sale

This is not an ad. An acquaintance here in Camden, Delaware, has just put
his 1967 IIA ragtop out by the highway for sale. It has the deluxe bonnet
and the inboard spare mount, nice rag top, stainless exhaust, 2.25 petrol,
RHD.  His phone number (after 7 pm) is 302 284 8610. Owner is a
professional mechanic who brought the machine over himself in 1987. Seems
to be all there, good paint, generally ready to go, Lucas headlights, Don't
know the price and ain't gonna get involved.

 _______
 |___|__\__==
 | _ |  |  --]   Ned Heite, Camden, DE 19934        <DARWIN><
 =(O)-----(O)=                                        "   "

                             

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 17:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Forward Control Availability

A friend of mine without internet access would like to know if there are
any sources for FC101s here in the US, or if anyone on the list is
interested in selling one.  Please E-mail me direct with any information.

Thanks!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:35:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Forward Control Availability

A relatively common question:
>A friend of mine without internet access would like to know if there are
>any sources for FC101s here in the US, or if anyone on the list is
>interested in selling one.

As far as US Customs is concerned the only non-Federal vehicles which can be
imported are '67 or earlier, or assuming the EPA continues to issue waivers
for vehicles 25 years old or older. (Check the FAQ on the OVLR website for
more info including Canada) FC101s were built between '75 and '78. So a few
years to wait, unless you go the kit car route.

Now there are several FC101s in the US, and occassionally one is said to be
for sale. Prehaps they were imported back when "grey market" importation was
possible by fitting emission controls and safety features. Any detoxed FC101s
out there?

There are also several in Canada, but that is a whole different story.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 17:39:56 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Forward Control Availability

At  5:08 PM 9/14/96 -0400, John Cassidy wrote:

>A friend of mine without internet access would like to know if there are
>any sources for FC101s here in the US, or if anyone on the list is
>interested in selling one.  Please E-mail me direct with any information.
;
Just an FYI 101 cab forwards are not legal to drive on the road in the
United States.  It is my understanding that if found on the road (esp under
a fake regestration) that the feds and impound them & ask you to pay some
largish fines.

maybe your friend would like to move to Canada or purchase a 109 cab forward.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 20:17:16 -0700
From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list?

Mike Loiodice wrote:
> What you may not know is that
> at one time there was only one list and all the topics were on that. Then
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> all the coil-sprung weenies... uh, excuse me, owners of more modern Rovers
> had to have thier own list. 

Umm ... Not meaning to start another round, but I thought it was the 
series folks who kicked the coilers off the list.

FHY

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 96 20:07:08 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Series III Diffs

Before I pull my 109 SIII's diff apart to check the crown wheel mounting 
bolts, can I confirm that the problem is confined to the Rover type diff, as 
fitted to the 88, or has anyone had similar experiences with the Salisbury 
diff?

Being firmly in the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" camp, I'm lothe to pull 
something I don't fully understand apart on the offchance that the bolts have 
worked loose.

Dave Lee
1976 SIII 109 Safari
1955 Triumph TR2
djflee@msn.com

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From: Pyramid <pyramid@netlink.co.nz>
Subject: 3 Ltr Exhaust
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:53:06 +-1200

I have a '82 109" which was converted to a Rover 6 cylinder 3ltr engine =
in 1990.  I have had the landie for about 2 months and during a visit to =
the engine bay noticed that where the exhaust manifold connects to the =
exhaust there was a distinct breeze.
Having decided that this was not right I tried to track down a gasket to =
replace the existing one.  As I could not locate a part number I took =
the exhaust off to recover the old gasket.  This resulted in two things, =
1. there was no gasket to be found, 2, the exhaust gas had eaten the =
bottom bolt so badly it sheared before the rust (with penetrating oil =
applied) gave way on the nut.
The exhaust is now connected to the manifold by two bolt and some No8 =
wire all bunged up with maniseal.  On my last trip the maniseal had all =
been knocked out and I got some backfire when coming down hill with no =
throttle.
The connecting is a triangular job thus:
 _________
(O   _   O)
 \  / \  /
  \ \_/ /
   \   /
    \O/
    
Help, should there have been a gasket, anyone with a part number?  Apart =
from a new exhaust manifold any suggestions on improving over No8?

Also any idea on the correct pressure for Yokohama SupperDiggers on a =
109"?

Richard Bloor
Wellington - New Zealand
'82 SIII 109" (Possum)

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