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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 05:56:41 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: test, pls ignore

>Jeep is the best..
>anybody there?

no, no we've gone for the moment. we'll be back shortly.

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 12:24:38 BST
From: lawrie@anvil.co.uk (Lawrie Ellis)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

help

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:22:00 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Living Dangerously

*** Resending note of 09/13/96 12:05

|From: <@lucent.lucent.com:ben@bell-labs.com>
|Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:26:07 -0400
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
|Jeep is the best..
|anybody there?

Are you aware that inciting a riot is illegal in most countries!

Steve

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 06:43:50 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: 1973 88" SIII LR

>This was shorted when I first forwarded it so I will try again.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>I am interested, but
>It has had some frame work
>runs nice.
10 + grand for a series that needs frame work sounds pretty steep to me.  I
would expect to get one with a perfect frame or maybe even a galvanized,
replaced frame fpr that kind of money.  Check RN and other sources, and
maybe Hemmings.  My guess is that you could find a better deal on a better
Rover.

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Load Bag
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 08:04:00 DST

Interesting typo, but what I really meant was "loud bang" or was that lewd 
bong, lead bung, lard bog, etc.
Now what tyres would be best for the lard bog? BFG Trex?

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From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:16:41 -0400
Subject: Re: 1973 88" SIII LR

In a message dated 96-09-13 07:43:55 EDT, you write:

<< 10 + grand for a series that needs frame work sounds pretty steep to me.
 I
 would expect to get one with a perfect frame or maybe even a galvanized,
 replaced frame fpr that kind of money.  Check RN and other sources, and
 maybe Hemmings.  My guess is that you could find a better deal on a better
 Rover.
 
 Steve Paustian
 95 arles blue D90 SW
 95 coniston green D90 SW >>
  

steve still believes he can have his cake and eat it to.....

hank

RRc 1990
SIIa 109 SW

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 8:36:42 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Cruising the waters of DC...

The last week has seen some really unbelievable amounts of rain here in 
the nation's capitol. As a result, the main thoroughfares are often 
awash. Today for example, Constitution Avenue between 7th and 19th was 
almost completely under water and the curb lanes were a good 12-15 inches 
deep in places, due to a commuting-time downpour. This has been an 
excellent time for practicing wading technique in the 109. I have found 
the curb lane to be by far the most fun, as one can really get some 
impressive rooster-tail action. Who needs to be out in the country, when 
some great 'off-roading' can be had right in town!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:06:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Series Database

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, John P. Casteel wrote:

> Hi Dixon,  thanks for the info.  A Parts car is one that you could still 
> rob even one more part from.  

	And If I have robbed all the parts, have them in boxes, sent the rest
	to rust, do those boxes compose a potential vehicle (having S/N's in
	hand of course)?  This does affect numbers here... :-)

> One question that I wish I had asked up front is mileage.  I will send 
> out a private mailing to all respondants to get that information.  Might 
> be fun to see the average mileage for our cars.

	Assuming the speedo/odometer is slightly working, the 15" 88's
	are not running 750/16 tires etc.

> I have to get to the book store or library to read up on some of the people 
> that you asked me about (in you unanswered E-mails to me.)  So, I haven't 
> forgotten them.  They are on a back burner.

	Winter reading...  :-)

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:48:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 800 # for Pathfinder Video

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Gene Sparks wrote:

> Due to an overwhelming response about the PF video and free offer here is
> the # for all 800 946 8632 
>.
	Nissan Canada is out of videos, say it was a US offer only.  
	Nissan USA refuses to mail to an address outside continental USA.
	If you want the brochure & are in Canada, it is 800-387-0122

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@ingr.com>
Subject: Wading plugs for the D90?
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 11:08:00 PDT

Yesterday, while playing under my seats in my '95 D90, I noticed holes   
(one under each seat) that lead to the underside of the truck.  Are these   
holes for draining, and if so, due to all the wet weather we've been   
having, should they be plugged?  If the answer is "yes, plug those holes,   
or you'll drown", where would I get a set of wading plugs and what other   
holes would need to be plugged?

Douglas "please plug my cake hole or I'll continue rambling..." Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: <@lucent.lucent.com:ben@bell-labs.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:03:48 -0400
Subject: i guess mailer works :)  more drivel..

Hi all,
I guess I am back online after the network problems. Sorry for the
inflamatory test message - just wanted to make sure I get responses if I
got through. It worked...

Lessee... the 109 coiler is finally on the road.  After 6 month on the
bricks the clutch started slipping.  Since it was OK before the
conversion, I am guessing that some oil or hydraulic fluid got onto the
disc.  Here's what I tried: filled the bottom 1/4 of the bellhousing w.
Brakeleen (?? tetrachloride), swish, spit.  Much better, still slips a
bit.  I'll try again, since I am trying to postpone the clutch RR until
the new motor goes in.

Also, I have been thinking about making the Landie a hybrid, i.e. able to
run on propane.  Mainly to extend its range, but also as a backup system
to get me back should lucas fail.  Any hybrids out there?
What carb(mixer) works well?

I missed the waving thread alltogether, since the Landie was dry-docked.
Here's my contribution: 2 days ago I followed a '96 4.0SE
(Blood-of-Proletariat Red) for about 5 miles, including 2 lights.  I saw
the guy looking through the rear-vew mirror: not a glimpse of recognition.
Not a mile later, came side-to-side w. a Snow White Disco at a merge - no
clue, either.  The only looks I get are from the CJ's and old Broncos.
And some toll both attendants who tell me that my wheel is on the wrong
side (for real!!)

Hey, Keith M: stop by the HO building, see the beast.

see ya
Jan

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:36:38 -0400
From: Hank_Lapa_at_PO-PLAZA1@SIGNALCORP.COM (Hank Lapa)
Subject: Rebuilt Vehicles

All,

>From yesterday's Congresional Quarterly:

The Commerce, Trade, and Hazardous Materials Subcommittee 
held a hearing yesterday on "legislation that would 
establish federal vehicle-registration requirements for 
rebuilt cars that were previously salvaged."

This is "HR 2900 - A bill to establish national uniform 
requirements regarding the titling and registration of 
salvage, nonrepairable, and rebuilt vehicles."

Sounds to me like Uncle intending to protect we consumers 
from certain unscrupulous used car dealers (good thing), but 
will no doubt be perverted, distended, abused and misused to 
endanger future Series L-Rs which are of, er, shall we say 
"uncertain lineage" (not-so-good thing)???  

Seems like if you buy a "parts vehicle" to get the VIN, it'd 
be best to get one with a current registration, or to keep 
your registration current on anything you plan to rebuild in 
the future.  If you must, register your pile of parts as 
"Historic" just to get it registered (without inspection), 
then convert to daily driver (inspected) status when 
possible later.

Just food for thought, in case anyone was interested.  Of 
course, this legislation could lead to Series vehs in the US 
becoming even *more* prized as collectible, esp the "older" 
ones.  

Hank
(Historic-registered 1960 Ser II 109 SW, undergoing frame 
transplant to resume "occasional driver" status)

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:18:31 -0400
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: 800 # for Pathfinder Video

>Due to an overwhelming response about the PF video and free offer here is
>the # for all 800 946 8632

Okay, I bit the bullet and exchanged valuable "secret" information about
myself for a tote bag and video.  My favorite (Real-life) Nissan marketing
questions:

When do you plan on purchasing your next vehicle?
	A: Whenever my current one totally rusts away.
What is the model year of your current vehicle?
	A: 1967
And may I ask the the make and model?
	A: Certainly.  Land-Rover, Series IIa.

Oh well, the tape should be good for a few laughs, and I might even take an
equally entertaining test drive for the free binocs...

Why do you want a S.U.V.?
	A: I need something I can drive through rivers in Ottawa.
Heh-heh.  You know, there's a deluxe model with better carpeting avaiable.
	A: No worries, I'll be ripping it all out anyway.
What do you think of the ride?
	A: Way too smooth, and I hate being able to hear myself think.
Would you be interested in air conditioning?
	A: No, I'll just cut some flaps in the dashboard.

[Jeff pulls off the pavement]

What are you doing now?
	A: Taking it for a *real-World* test drive.
Be careful, those trees are awfully close.
	A: That's called bush pinstriping -- you can charge extra.
LOOK OUT!!!
	A: Say, is that bull bar functional?
no No NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
	A: Where is exactly is the computer mounted on this thing?

Keep on Rovin'!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	Guidance Counselor said your scores are anti-heroic.
	Computer recommends hard-drinking calypso poet.
	--Jimmy Buffett, If It All Falls Down (by Matt Betton)

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From: bcw6@cornell.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:18:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SII fuel gauge

If you're not too worried about originality, it is very easy to convert 
the sender and gauge to a modern system. I bought a generic sender(GM 
style, 0-90ohms?) from J.C. Whitney for about $10. I needed to fabricate 
a new plate to fit the holes in the LR tank, this took about half an 
hour, and then I bought a VDO gauge(about $20) and wired it all up. It has 
worked 
perfectly for about a year now, so well that I have stopped my practice 
of driving until I ran out and then filling up with a jerrycan. 

Cheers,

Braman
1966 IIA 88"

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Date: 13 Sep 96 13:07:07 EDT
From: Richard Maynard <101723.414@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Split the list?

I was lying under the Rover the other day, as you do, and I thought about the
LRO list, and how some of it is really relevant to me (like other peoples LR
problems) and some of it could be regarded by some people as being not quite so
relevant (I'm thinking of notice of local meetings and green lane trips,
information about suppliers and so on)

What I thought was, how about splitting the list so that there is one general
list for topics relevant to all of us ie not geographically limiting, and then
reserving the regional lists for regionally specific things?  I would expect
most people to subscribe to the main problem solving list, as well as their
local list.  If you lived in the UK but wanted to catch up with US happenings,
you'd subscribe to three lists.

I realise that this might not be technically feasible, but it was just a
thought...

Does anyone else find peace and room to think under their cars, or is it just
me?

Cheers, Rich
SIII 109 SW

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:11:46 -0400
Subject: Dormobile dilemma

 I am on the horns of a dilemma. I have a Dormobile that I have been trying
to sell for some considerable time. I also have several folks who want to buy
5 door wagons but not a Dormobile. Now as most of the "special" Dormobile
parts are already gone, if I changed the roof  I would have that elusive 5
door to sell. So I thought I would offer the fellow Rovernauts on this list
first refusal on the Dormobile parts or at least the opportunity to talk me
out of the entire idea. Suggestions would be entertained. ( Or at least
entertaining )
Rgds Quintin Aspin
nr Washington DC

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:19:58 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Jerry Cans

I could have sworn I saw a D90 with 2 jerry cans mounted flat above the 
front seats, I think on the US spec roll bar.  Seems okay as long as they 
don't leak.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:27:48 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: SII fuel gauge

At 12:18 PM 13/09/96 -0400, bcw6@cornell.edu, wrote

>If you're not too worried about originality, it is very easy to convert 
>the sender and gauge to a modern system.

I've still got some things to try but yours may have to be the final
solution.  It beats one fleeting thought I had to hack a hole through the
passenger seat and run a yardstick down attached to a cork.  "Good morning
sir, how many centimetres of gas would you like today?"

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/cobracom
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:56:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 800 # for Pathfinder Video

On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Jeffrey A Berg wrote:

> [Jeff pulls off the pavement]
> 	A: Say, is that bull bar functional?
> no No NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

>.
	I found that the original LR bumper is good up to 2 inch diameter
	trees.  Three inch forces you to take a second run at them sometimes.
	The only embarassing aspect is when you get caught up on all the
	foliage after taking out several close together.  Hate it when
	that happens...

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:56:39 -1000
From: Faye Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Gas Mileage

I'm stuck in the middle of the Pacific without a lot of other LR owners to
talk with.  Just discovered this list, will be nice to bounce questions off
somebody else.  I rebuilt my '70 88, 20 over pistons, unleaded head, etc.
For the first month or so engine seemed much stronger but I didn't check gas
mileage.  Performance dropped off after and when I checked mileage it was
only 13 mpg.  I thought I was getting closer to 17 mpg before I rebuilt but
my memory could be bad as the 88 was a hanger queen for 5 years.  I recently
changed the distributor cap and rotor, the only two things carried over from
pre rebuild. Performance better but mileage still 13.  I have a daily
altitude gain loss of 1500' so driving is not flat.  I also have a 2 barrel
weber which I try and stay out of the secondary and which I am able to do
since the rebuild.  Is 13 mpg normal at least for an lr, or is something
wrong?  If not, what should I be looking for? 
Re:  fuel gauge with change of polarity.  I changed polarity on '65 109
truck according to Rover's North instructions and everything worked fine.
Unfortunately I no longer have the Rover's North Instructions.  Perhaps it
is on their web site.  I recently swapped the tank out of the '65, my new
hanger queen, and found the sensor was not compatible with the '70 88 gauge.

Peter Ogilvie/Kona  

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:56:25 -1000
From: Faye Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Gas Mileage

I'm stuck in the middle of the Pacific without a lot of other LR owners to
talk with.  Just discovered this list, will be nice to bounce questions off
somebody else.  I rebuilt my '70 88, 20 over pistons, unleaded head, etc.
For the first month or so engine seemed much stronger but I didn't check gas
mileage.  Performance dropped off after and when I checked mileage it was
only 13 mpg.  I thought I was getting closer to 17 mpg before I rebuilt but
my memory could be bad as the 88 was a hanger queen for 5 years.  I recently
changed the distributor cap and rotor, the only two things carried over from
pre rebuild. Performance better but mileage still 13.  I have a daily
altitude gain loss of 1500' so driving is not flat.  I also have a 2 barrel
weber which I try and stay out of the secondary and which I am able to do
since the rebuild.  Is 13 mpg normal at least for an lr, or is something
wrong?  If not, what should I be looking for? 
Re:  fuel gauge with change of polarity.  I changed polarity on '65 109
truck according to Rover's North instructions and everything worked fine.
Unfortunately I no longer have the Rover's North Instructions.  Perhaps it
is on their web site.  I recently swapped the tank out of the '65, my new
hanger queen, and found the sensor was not compatible with the '70 88 gauge.

Peter Ogilvie/Kona  

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 18:01:13 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: HELP !!

All, 

I have been trying to extract a bolt out of my RR. The bolt in question is 
holding the stabilizer rod that attaches to the panhard rod and steering box. 
The stabilizer is attached to the frame by 2 bolts, one through an eyelet at 
the bottom of the frame, another at the top. The bolt I'm trying to extract is 
the lower bolt. 

I have removed the nut and tried hitting it through, no go. I tried (with Al 
Richer) to turn the bolt head, that snapped off !!! 

I'm started to drill out a 6" bolt !!! I have started to drill out the bolt in 
a hope that it might free the bolt out of it's rusted state. So far I have 
drilled  in about 3" and the bolt has still not freed. I have tried to hit the 
bolt and it won't budge ! 

 Anyone suggest anything to help ???

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From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net>
Subject: generator alternator
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:17:00 -0700

What is censuses on switching your generator to an alternator and dose =
that mean you also change it from a positive earth to negative earth or =
can you just install the alternator with a diode that cuts half the wave =
of the ac current also has there been any consensus on what brand and =
model best fits in a Land Lover series. Thanks in advance 

----------

David Mercer
PO BOX 3713
Olympic Valley CA 96146
ph  916-583-4829
fax 916-583-4829
merkin@sierra.net
53 S1 80" IN REBUILD  "THE HOON"
57 S1 107" SW, FOR SALE  "THE BUS"
63 SII 88"
65 SII 88", FOR SALE
66 SII 88"
69&71 MB U900s
86 MB 280GE
88 SAAB 9000 

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:58:26 -0800
From: "Deanna D. Sitter" <lani@alaska.net>
Subject: Diff Breakage

I have an opinion in regards to the recent threads on ring gear bolt 
failure.  Out of the aproximately eight rover diffs I have disassembled 
for one reason or another I have seen loose/broken bolts on two.  One 
was from a '73 88" rear and the other from a '65 109" rear.  I believe 
that there are three primary reasons for the failures.  1: The ring gear 
bolts affix the ring gear from a flange inside of the gear tooth 
location instead of from under the gear teeth as do more modern designs. 
 This provides for a smaller diameter bolt pattern which is weaker and 
also allows for more ring gear deflection under load which increases the 
stress on the bolts. 2: The bolts Rover uses have a tensile strength 
around 123,000 psi.  Most other manufacturers use fasteners in the 
160,000psi range.  3:  The metal lock tabs are probably part of the 
problem.  Being made from a relatively soft metal they can compress and 
squish out from under the bolts destroying the torque load applied 
during assembly.  

The first two things can not be easily corected.  In regards to the 
third, I do not use the locking tabs.  Instead, I use grade eight 
washers under the bolt heads and loctite on the threads.  Also, never 
reuse the ring gear bolts.  

That is my opinion anyway

Tim Sitter

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:16:39 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Fuel gauges and conversions

Rick Grant was wondering whether a positive to negative earth conversion 
could have any thing to do with his fuel gauge problem.

According to an article in LRW April 1994, all you have to do is turn the 
battery around, re-polarize the dynamo, change the colour codes on the 
accessory sockets and swap the connections on the ammeter. Everything else 
will work, although a new negative-earth coil will improve performance. No 
other gauges need to be fiddled with, apparently. I know this is not what 
Mike Smith said, but there it was, in beautiful print and with colour 
pictures! I would try everything else first, anyway.
Hope this helps a little
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:16:42 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Parking uphill/downhill

>> \>Well, not exactly...reverse for forward facing hills, 1st for
>> \>backward ones. Not exactly likely to roll uphill...also you can
>> Um. How does the direction of the gear decide which way you'll roll? 

>Yeah.  Everyone knows it only depends on which hemisphere you're 
>in.
>hugh.grierson@trimble.co.nz

Oh. I didn't know that. So you park wheels to the curb on the northern 
hemisphere and wheels away from the curb in the southern hemisphere? Or is 
it eastern and western hemisphere? Now I am totally confused.

Peter "staying in the flatlands" Hirsch
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:54:57 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Funny Charging Light 

Hi,

The cilinder head is finally back on. Skimmed, with new exhaust valves,
seats, and guides.
It sounded beautiful when I turned the key tonight.
The "power" is back too.
but:
A strange thing happened. I did not touch anything electrical when replacing
the head, but now the charging light is acting funny.
It all started normally. After starting the engine the light went on, and
after some throttle it was out like always.
But when I touch the throttle, the light goes on very brightly.
It seems the wrong way around: On idle the light is out, and with even the
slightest touch of the throttle it is on, and stays on until I let it idle.
Does anyone have an idea what can be the cause of this?
It is getting too dark now. I will have a look in the morning.
It just can't be a coincidence that this is happening after my work on the
cilinder head. But it really puzzles me what the connection is.

As always, thanks for any input.

Jan.

janjan@xs4all.nl
De Woude, Netherlands.

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:50:52 -0400
Subject: Re: 800 # for Pathfinder Video

In a message dated 96-09-13 12:24:20 EDT, you write:

>lly rusts away.
>What is the model year of your current vehicle?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>	A: I need something I can drive through rivers in Ottawa.
>Heh-heh.  You know, there's a de

Jeff;    I called and did the same thing you did...they are all probably
scratching their heads I'm sure we weren't the only ones that called...
oh what one will do for something free.
we'll all be able to spy on Dixon at the next Birthday party
Rgds
Steve

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:05:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Rebuilt Vehicles

Hank is concerned:
>The Commerce, Trade, and Hazardous Materials Subcommittee 
>held a hearing yesterday on "legislation that would 
>establish federal vehicle-registration requirements for 
>rebuilt cars that were previously salvaged."
Don't worry about this one unless you're especially paranoid. From what has
been published in Automotive News in the past on this topic, I believe the
situation is this:

In most but not all states if a insurance company writes a vehicle off
because of damage, then they notify the state folks and the title is flagged
as a salvage vehicle If the vehicle is resold, the title is clearly marked
"salvage". Frequently newer, written off vehicles are purchased by shops
which either repair the damage, or create one vehicle from several. Perfectly
legal. Then when they go to sell the vehicle the purchaser will see "salvage"
on the title and know they are getting a potentially adulterated vehicle. To
get around this problem the vehicle can be retitled in a state which doesn't
mark titles as "salvage", and the history is lost. This scam is enough of a
problem that a company now offers to check titles for dealers so they can
avoid legal hassles on cars they buy at auction.  Also state standards for
how much damage triggers the "salvage" tag varies by state. So there have
been proposals to have uniform federal standards, to require all states to
tag titles as salvage, and also to have a national registar of VINs of
salvaged vehicles.

I have not seen any suggestion what so ever that a vehicle would be declared
"salvage" just because it wasn't registered for several years. So everyone
with '93 D110s on blocks can stop worrying. In fact if you jacked the VIN
plate up and rebuilt the entire vehicle around it you shouldn't have a
problem assuming you are not committing fraud or trying to evade other laws
(trying to register a D90 as a SII 88" is a no-no). What you will need is a
clean title properly signed over. BTW, in some states including Michigan it
is possible to title an older vehicle without a title but with a VIN plate,
bill of sale, etc. by posting a bond. However, I think your title is tagged
as a re-title. There is also the kit-car route in most states.

If anything more specific about a federal proposal shows up in Automotive
News I'll forward the info.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:49:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Gas Mileage

Peter,
I wouldn't worry too much about the mileage yet. Wait till you have a few
thousahd miles on the truck, the engine is broken in, then worry. BTW, 
I'm about to put twenty over pistons in mine, too. Also look up and down your
drive line for other energy eaters. Dragging brake shoe? Wheel bearings?
Parking brake dragging? Keep us posted. 
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD engine rebuild under way!
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:00:59 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Dormobile dilemma

At  1:11 PM 9/13/96 -0400, QROVER80@aol.com wrote:
;
> I am on the horns of a dilemma. I have a Dormobile that I have been trying
>to sell for some considerable time. I also have several folks who want to buy
;5 door wagons but not a Dormobile. Now as most of the "special" Dormobile
>parts are already gone, if I changed the roof  I would have that elusive 5
>door to sell. So I thought I would offer the fellow Rovernauts on this list
;first refusal on the Dormobile parts or at least the opportunity to talk me
>out of the entire idea. Suggestions would be entertained. ( Or at least
;entertaining )
>Rgds Quintin Aspin
>nr Washington DC

I do not know what parts you have left but I am in the market for Dormobile
curtain rods, the Florescent lamp, and those threaded mounting brackets
attached to the body of your car that held the cooker in place.

If you still have the tall cabinet I am also interested.

Just for fun, what would you want for the wing badges.

The special Dormobile serial number plate should go with the top

I think there could be several people on the West coast interested in the top.

I have a complete rear end in NY that will be coming to California soon.
Someone may want to share shipping costs for a combined load.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:03:40 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Series Database

> One question that I wish I had asked up front is mileage.  

But how many LR's have working Speedometers/odometers?

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:21:40 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Aaarrrggghh!  (was: Split the list?)

> What I thought was, how about splitting the list so that there is one

Aaarrrghhh!  Not again!  [run screaming to hide in closet]

Perhaps we should change the message that goes out to new subscribers to 
say the following:

The following topics/actions are strictly **FORBIDDEN** on the LRO list:

1) Splitting the list
2) Good Times virus (it's a HOAX!)
3) Going on holiday and letting your mailbox send the entire 
   digest back to the list
4) Not trimming quoted messages (lro-lite helps here)
5) Others? 

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 01:11:36 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Dormobile dilemma

> I am on the horns of a dilemma. I have a Dormobile that I have been trying
>to sell for some considerable time. I also have several folks who want to buy
>5 door wagons but not a Dormobile.

        OW!  thats one mean pair of horns to be stuck on...but seriously,
Please, please don't convert the Dormobile.  Someone out there needs it
just as it is.  There are too few left to go ripping them up in hopes of a
quicker sale.  I know its all well and good for me to plead the "keep it
original" case when I'm not the one trying to sell it.  Just pause and
consider the permanance of un-converting it.  If I had any money left , I'd
help you out.
                                                wishing I had your problem,

Steve Paustian

Scitex operator

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW

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