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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:02:00 +0000
From: ewhite2@ALPHA2.CURTIN.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Help! what CARBY and CAMSHAFT is best for my S3?

Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me if performance/economy camshafts 
are made aftermarket for the 2.25litre motor? I see Eric is talking about 
putting a 2.5 cmashaft into his 2.25. What is this 2.5 engine? I would 
just like to up my performance if possible, and economy if possible. I 
currently have the Weber aftermarket Carby and I'm not too happy with it. 
Do you think the Solex or other standard carbs are better??
I'd appreciate your comments.

Thanks again,

Chris White
Perth, Western Australia.

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 BwanaE@aol.com wrote:

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> petrol, and it will simplify the cam timing process.
> Many thanks,    Eric Cope     <  BwanaE@aol.com  >

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:56:51 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Gaiter kit for D90

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>About a year ago, R.Pierce Reid wrote about installing gaiters on a NAS
>D90. He used part "RTC 3826." The pieces required some "cutting, drilling
>and grinding" but he was able to make what sounded like good gaiters out
>of them. I have bought the same gaiter kit, but haven't yet installed it -
>it is on my list of "fall projects"........

David - eagerly awaiting your comments on the project :-)
RTC3826 is correct according to the parts catalogue, and is the first 
(unfittable) kit I got.  
If I get any feedback from the LR agent across the pond I'll post it.
Cheers
Allan

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:32:59 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: BRITISH CAR SHOW

At 11:52 PM 9/9/96 -0400, Mike Loiodice wrote:

>TeriAnn sez...
;
>>A series III 88 with an engine compartment so clean you could eat off it
;got an award.  LROA got an award for best club participation.  We still had
>>the barbies out and ale flowing after everyone else left.
;
>Sounds like everyone had a good time, but aren't you a bit too old to be
>playing with barbies??
;
>Cheers
>Mike

Believe it or not barbie doll collecting is a common adult hobby as is
collecting many other types of special toys.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:57:11 -0700
From: karlsson@edgenet.net (karlsson)
Subject: Re: BRITISH CAR SHOW

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
 >>A series III 88 with an engine compartment so clean you could eat off it

Reminds me of the time (1973??) I cooked corn on the cob on the manifold.  I had picked 
up some hitchhikers along the way, and they must have been curious about why I kept 
stopping and fussing under the hood.  (Had to turn the corn, of course!)  You should 
have seen the looks on their faces when I handed them some hot corn on the cob.

By the way, I saw an ad for a book on manifold cookery a while back, but when I decided 
to put it on my Christmas list, I couldn't find it.  Can anyone point me to this book?

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 07:53:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Transmission noise

> Removing the entire mechanism and placing all the parts in an old 
> bucket, and then bolting the drum back on was the perfect cure.
>>>I presume you now have to use your winching anchor to hold the beast on 
a hill.

Well, not exactly...reverse for forward facing hills, 1st for backward ones. Not
exactly likely to roll uphill...also you can "chock" your front wheels using the
curb. Actually in some hilly areas (San Francisco comes to mind) this is 
required by law. 

>>>And what did you do with the bucketful of bits?
{:-/

All, except for the borken return spring and the now useless later style linkage
parts, have been returned to their proper position on the vehicle. Yippee, 
handbrake turns!! 

Cheers

Dave 
just kidding

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 07:26:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: gshaeffer@sunshine.net (Gerald Shaeffer)
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lro

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>    1 rover1@sky.net     Mon Sep  9 04:50   36/1511  Re: Parking brake
>    2 ernyoung@earthlink Mon Sep  9 04:59   58/2379  Re: The Land Rover=
 Owner
>    3 @E-MAIL.COM:steve_ Mon Sep  9 05:11  117/4559  EU
>    4 newconcept@tcp.co. Mon Sep  9 05:36   49/2229  Re: Top Gear and Euro=
 Leg
>    5 newconcept@tcp.co. Mon Sep  9 05:36   48/2145  Re: Air Tools
>    6 daviscar@concentri Mon Sep  9 05:54   52/1923  BRITISH CAR SHOW
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>   18 apurs@worldnet.att Mon Sep  9 09:07   22/837   Re: unsubscribe
>   19 BwanaE@aol.com     Mon Sep  9 10:41   24/988   2.5 litre petrol cam=
 info
>   20 channel6@post2.tel Mon Sep  9 10:53   38/1545  Series III springs
>   21 GElam30092@aol.com Mon Sep  9 11:15   28/1262  Social Circle GA
>   22 hermans@krts.com   Mon Sep  9 11:26   36/1252  Air Locker
>   23 channel6@post2.tel Mon Sep  9 11:36   51/1934  LANDY LINGO
>   24 rscholl@fw.lib.com Mon Sep  9 11:41   77/3495  Returned mail: Host=
 unkno
>   25 jeff@purpleshark.c Mon Sep  9 13:17   61/2942  Re: Where's the Camel=
 Tro
>   26 rscholl@fw.lib.com Mon Sep  9 13:39   41/1872  re: Grease is the word
>   27 channel6@post2.tel Mon Sep  9 15:18   53/2216  Series III springs
>   28 debrown@srp.gov    Mon Sep  9 16:56   36/1681  Good week for=
 waving...
>   29 debrown@srp.gov    Mon Sep  9 17:03   41/1961  Finally got the 88=
 runnin
>   30 svels@mail-server. Mon Sep  9 17:05   43/1553  Re: Series III springs
>   31 andrew_howton@bc.s Mon Sep  9 17:44   41/1472  Re: 109 frames & 2.25L=
 5m
>   32 andrew_howton@bc.s Mon Sep  9 17:47   41/1472  Re: 109 frames & 2.25L=
 5m
>   33 dwebb@waite.adelai Mon Sep  9 17:50   45/1813  Re:senseless=
 legislation
>   34 Wdcockey@aol.com   Mon Sep  9 18:21   29/1144  Re: Re: Diff Damage
>   35 rover@pinn.net     Mon Sep  9 18:35   40/1731  Mid-Atlantic Rover=
 Rally
>   36 twakeman@scruznet. Mon Sep  9 18:49   58/1910  Re: BRITISH CAR SHOW
>   37 Hugh.Grierson@trim Mon Sep  9 18:59   75/3021  Re: Series III springs
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>   45 apurs@worldnet.att Mon Sep  9 22:52   32/987   UNSUBSCRIBE
>   46 Franz.Parzefall@lr Mon Sep  9 23:14   39/1782  Re: LANDY LINGO
>   47 Franz.Parzefall@lr Mon Sep  9 23:42   46/2168  Re: Mercedes Benz=
 Diesel
>   48 Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.u Mon Sep  9 23:56   30/1327  3 or 5 bearing engine?
>   49 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac Tue Sep 10 01:39   42/1656  Re:senseless=
 legislation
>   50 marsden@digicon-eg Tue Sep 10 02:27   32/1238  re: gauges
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>	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>>I am stuck in my attempt to investigate the reason my parking brake fails=
 to
>>release completely.  I believe the release springs are responsible.
>I used to have the same problem with both a serIII 88 and a 109 ser II.
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>Well the show was fun. Over 700 cars showed up. about 23 Rovers showed
>including my 1959 109sw. The brakes are not fix yet but with the back=
 brakes
>clamped off  it stopped ok, the show was not vary far from me so. I got=
 there.
>I meet a few new people which is great. how ever I did not see Tom there.
>Tom did you make it?
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>When the manual says "with the cylinder ascending the bore" that means
>that you have to have valves one and two >closed< when the 16 degree
>timing mark is lined up. Otherwise, you'll be crankin' that pup all night=

>long and it won't go.
>Also it is helpful to turn the engine a few times and recheck the setting=

>so that the backlash from the gear drive is taken up.
>I love diesels; no muss, no fuss, no points, no plugs....
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>little longer to get the 90wt. and dirt out of my hair though.  The reason
>for this posting - when I got the rear diff out and apart I found two of=
 the
>ten bolts holding the ring gear (or crown gear) to the carrier were broken,
>the other eight were loose.  They were kept from unscrewing competely by=
 the
>five locking tabs.  There was slight damage to the carrier by fretting of=
 the
>gear against it.  I had noted no abnormal noises, wonder how long this has
>been like this.  I also wonder what the front diff is like.  With FW hubs=
 it
>doesn't get much use, so I think I'll just leave it alone, but would=
 welcome
>comments on this disconcerting find in the rear diff.
>  erik
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>Subject: Air Tools 2
>The myth that everything has to be run off the engine seems to be getting=

>a bit out of hand. If field air power is needed there are any number of
>small gasoline powered compressors out there designed for contractor use.=

>I would recommend the units made by Emglo as being most reliable and
>commonly used. They produce a "pancake" type of unit that has a small
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>struggle.
>No, you can't run your air locking diff from it, but that's not what it's=

>for.
>I've used this kind of compressor to run nail guns, impact wrenches,
>chisels and the like during my carpenter days. The engine runs constantly=

>on the smaller models and powers the pump on demand.
>Bill Adams
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>zerk fittings that I came across....When I got to the rear end of the rear
>prop shaft I noticed that the U-joint inner (shaped like a "+") was missing
>a zerk fitting....Instead there was a hole into which I inserted some=
 grease
>(probably now serving as a rust preventative on the bottom of the body)
>Anyway....Am I correct in thinking that there ought to be a fitting here=
 and
>that it flew off somewhere along its life? This was the first time I=
 greased
>anything on the vehicle (recent acquisition) so I don't know how long the
>fitting (if there ever was one) has been missing. How do I determine the
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>making it to Des Plaines for the show.
>On that note. Does anyone (in the US) have the little half bracket that is
used
>to attach a Series III turn signal switch to the steering column? It
>would have to be off a parts car as the replacement switches don't
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>Subject: 2.5 litre petrol cam info
>Anybody out there have the factory shop manual for a Landrover equipped=
 with
>the 2.5 litre petrol engine ? If so, could you please look up in the
>"specifications" section the camshaft timing information ... ie: "exhaust
>valve begins to open at __o BTDC" etc .
>I need this info as I've installed the 2.5 cam into my newly overhauled=
>along the prop shaft...What's the easiest way to grease the steering ball
 2.25
>petrol, and it will simplify the cam timing process.
>Many thanks,    Eric Cope     <  BwanaE@aol.com  >
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>Subject: Social Circle GA
>Sandy Grice writes "I can do even better...I can tell you where the US=
 trials
>are.  First off,
>the next year's trophy is going to be in Mongolia.  Not much mud there. =
 The
>US trials are going to be in Social Circle, Georgia in December.  "Social=

>Circle, GA???" you say?  Yup, about 50 miles east of Atlanta just north if=

>I-20.  Cheers"
>Interesting.. North Point Land Rover has a farm in the area where they take
>new owners for a bit of off-road training.  And, they just took delivery of=
>I need this info as I've installed the 2.5 cam into my newly overhauled=
 5
>of the Discovery Trek vehicles.   I think the farm is about 400 acres in=
 size
>with several small streams and hill, woods, etc.  It all seems to fit=
 rather
>nicely doesn=92t it. 
>Gerry "Social Circle?  Been there by bicycle and Land Rover" Elam
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>    
>        My only experience with the U-joints has been to replace one on the=

>front prop shaft of my 1970 SIIa RHD landy.  The joint had obviously been=
 dry
>and had a considerable amount of 'slop' or play.  The process is quick when
you
>have the parts on hand (I was fortunate enough to have a spare from a=
 friend)
>but should be available locally.  Colonial Automotive in West Acton (just
of 111
>next to the post office) examined a similar joint from my old project car=
 and
>had the part in stock.  A few 9/16 open end wrenches, a hammer (maybe a
punch),
>and some grease!  If you have not replaced one before, beware that when you=

>replace them, turning the 'cups' upside down and tapping is not advisable -
the
>needle bearings will drop out!  I think the part ran about $12.xx ??   Feel
free
>needle bearings will drop out!  I think the part ran about $12.xx ??   Feel

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 11:03:47 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Crack kills...

During the tune up of the diesel I noted a small fracture on the exhaust 
manifold. At this time it seems as though it's not too harmful, but it 
should be replaced at some point I suppose. If any of you are sitting on 
one of these boat anchors and wish to see it get a good home, give me a 
yell.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:44:46 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Help! what CARBY and CAMSHAFT is best for my S3?

Chris wrote:
 
> I
> currently have the Weber aftermarket Carby and I'm not too happy with it.
> Do you think the Solex or other standard carbs are better??
> I'd appreciate your comments.

I've owned two Land Rovers that had Weber 34 ICH carburetors. I hate this 
carb for use on a LR. Barely large enough to power a lawn mower these 
things strangle an otherwise lively little engine. Billed as an economy 
carb I didn't find this to be the case at all and I think it was because 
it limited rpm, changing shift points, not letting the engine operate in 
its most efficient rpm band. If the Weber you are using is a small one 
(34mm) dump it and you will be much happier.

Cheers, Greg "where are my asbestos undies?"

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:33:32 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Vinyl stickers

>Ok, it's time to get this thing going, a few of the stickers were sold
>at the Palo Alto BFM on Sunday, i'ave gotten mostly positive feedback.

Please get me up to speed on this sticker thing... My wife, Lorri and I
collect badges and stickers of anything Rover related. Can you describe the
above mentioned stickers?  Also, if anyone has stickers, badges, t-shirts,
whatever... please post us an E-mail.  Please include price and ordering
inst.  We have Flatland Rover Society T-shirts for sale.  Full color logo
on heavy weight 100% white cotton.  $18 includes shipping.  sm thru xxl.

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:22:43 -0700 (MST)
From: "James D. Howard II" <jhoward@argus.lowell.edu>
Subject: Re: Finally got the 88 running!

On 9 Sep 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> I'm excited! Thanks for letting me share in my excitement! (It doesn't
> take much to get me excited, as you can tell! ;-) )

Congratulations!  Gerry and I were wondering if you had a running vehicle 
these days.  When do we get to see her next voyage?

James Howard	jhoward@argus.lowell.edu
NPOI		Flagstaff, AZ

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 10 Sep 96 09:33:18 MST
Subject: Re: Finally got the 88 running!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Yeah, I still have a running vehicle, but it's only "running" in front
wheel drive right now. (Broken axle on the 109.) I do happen to have a
spare short axle that came with the 88 when I bought it. But I need to
tear open the center diff of the 109 to remove the other half of the
axle, and investigate the gears for damage. Maybe I'll do that this
Friday, but I really don't like the thought of completely removing from
commission my only legal and licensed running vehicle. Maybe I'll work
on getting the 88 past emissions and insurance... Oh! I'm so fickle!!

Then again... it would be nice to drive the 88, take the door tops off,
maybe the whole door off (still hot in the daytime here). Decisions,
decisions...

Thanks for the thoughts!

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:22:43 -0700 (MST)
From: "James D. Howard II" <jhoward@argus.lowell.edu>
Subject: Re: Finally got the 88 running!
Cc: "Arizona LR owners." <azlro@stat.com>,
        Land Rover owners <lro@playground.sun.com>,
        Left Coast Rover owners <mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On 9 Sep 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> I'm excited! Thanks for letting me share in my excitement! (It doesn't
> take much to get me excited, as you can tell! ;-) )

Congratulations!  Gerry and I were wondering if you had a running vehicle
these days.  When do we get to see her next voyage?

James Howard    jhoward@argus.lowell.edu
NPOI            Flagstaff, AZ

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 10 Sep 96 10:11:37 MST
Subject: Vibrations in D90.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Paul asks about vibrations that worsen with engine RPM.

Paul, to my knowledge, motor mounts will NOT cause more vibrations with
higher rpm, but often smooth out at higher rpm. Sounds to me like a
vibration dampener? Anyone else want to comment? The V8 should run
smooth, so maybe one cylinder is not firing? I'd be a bit careful, it'd
be worth a few $ to have a mechanic check it out.

Good luck! Dave (just enough knowledge to make the big mistakes!) Brown.

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net>
Subject: RE: S I Air Cleaners
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:57:03 -0700
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No they did not come with paper air filters although when I bought my 53 =
80" it also had a AC paper air filter? so maybe it was a standard after =
market thing to do, personally I prefer the oil-bath type they are much =
cheaper to service.

hilltop <hilltop@advantage.ca> wrote:

:A funny thing happened to me on my way to the tune-up...

: My Series I 86" with a 2 litre petrol engine has a paper element air
:cleaner. It is sitting on a Solex carburator. The air cleaner says "AC
:made in England" as do all the oil fittings, filters, etc. and the carb =

:has a very stock looking adapter to make it fit.
: My LR parts store/garage says he's never herd of any air cleaner but
:the oil bath type. So let's have your vote. Has anyone out there seen a =

:factory, paper element air cleaner on a 2 litre?

:NOTE; if this is a REALLY rare option I'll sell it for the BIG BUCKS =
:-)

----------

David Mercer
PO BOX 3713
Olympic Valley CA 96146
ph  916-583-4829
fax 916-583-4829
merkin@sierra.net
53 S1 80" IN REBUILD  "THE HOON"
57 S1 107" SW, FOR SALE  "THE BUS"
63 SII 88"
65 SII 88", FOR SALE
66 SII 88"
69&71 MB U900s
86 MB 280GE
88 SAAB 9000

------ =_NextPart_000_01BB9F01.5969A4E0

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 19:32:38 
From: "Jens Vesterdahl" <jve@phaseone.dk>
Subject: Re: Series III springs

Hi all.

Adrian wrote:

- Just got the price on a new set of springs for the 88 here in Denmark,
DKr 800 ($139 / ?89) each for the front and DKr 950 ($165 / ?106) each
for the rear, including new bushes and bolts - does this sound like a
good deal? Any better ideas from any Danish readers?

Try calling Williams LR spares at 8666 7677 (country code 45 for all you non-
Danish residents). He's usually competitive. Also, I noticed that he often has 
better parts than Midtjysk. For gear wheels anyway.

I changed the rear springs on my first 109 before going to Africa in 1982. The 
old springs were replaced with 10-leaf HD springs and the whole job was 
undertaken in my parents driveway by myself and a friend only using the average 
toolbox. We had no problems except that the frame bar to the right spring simply 
vanished in a red cloud when we used a large hammer (LR special tool no.1) to 
remove the bolts.

Good luck

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark

P.S. You also wrote:
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"

Yeah - you can use one of them for spares !  :-)

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:55:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 3 or 5 bearing engine?

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Mr Ian Stuart wrote:

> Lucas had an engine transplant before he adpoted me.
> The serial number is 25306936J - is this a 3 or 5 bearing engine?

	Not sure of this (no 5 main bearing engines that I have ever seen)
	you should be able to tell by looking at the left side of the 
	block under the intake/exhaust manifolds.  The 3 main bearing 
	block is smooth, which the 5 main bearing block has ribbing/webbing 
	showing.

	Rgds,

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From: "Tom Rowe" <WI.Center.for.Dairy.Research@calshp.cals.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:04:02 -6
Subject: Re: Re: Diff Damage

> I remember reading somewhere that if you bought a SIII, you should
> immeadiately pull the diffs and replace the bolts. The advice was particular
> to SIII. Does anyone know if this a common problem? Is there a reason it is
> specific to SIIIs, or are SII/IIAs also suspect. Thanks
-
Don't know for sure, but that's what a mechanic at a LR dealer in 
Rockville, MD told me in 1977, when mine backed out. I was changing 
the oils and several lumps of metal fell out when I took out the rear 
dif, plug. I pulled the diff, cleaned it well, sprayed all the pinion 
bolt holes & bolts with brakeclean and used lockwashers plus a high strength 
loctite.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 15:02:28 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Series Database

Ok, here's the scoop on "Green Car"

25900522A,'72,III,88",Green Car,Pastel Green/Limestone,Arlington 
VA,USA,dd,unknown,dbobeck@ushmm.org,lro-net;complete rebuild on SII chassis 
finished 8/96;rebuilt gearbox;unleaded head;WARN 8000 winch;Late IIa grille;rear
bench seats currently removed.

Dave Bobeck
Arlington VA

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:38:47 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Metrinch Source

A while back there was some talk about, and praise for, Metrinch wrenches.
I got a catalog in the mail today offering these tools and thought I'd pass
the info along.  As you might guess, I don't work for these guys, and in
fact I'm not even a satisfied customer -- they just sent me a catalog.
Prices are in $US.

==Information from catalog==

The Eastwood Company
Box 3014
Malvern, PA  19355-0714
(800) 345-1178
Canada (800) 820-9042
Worldwide FAX (610) 644-0560
http://www.eastwoodco.com

Metrinch wrenches and sockets fit SAE, Metric, BSW and BS/BSF nutsand bolts.
* Fewer tools required: 10-piece set replaces 28 tools, 71-piece replaces
176; etc.
* Easier, faster tool selection; less toolbox weight and clutter; lower
overall tool costs.
* Delivers more effective torque by gripping the fastner's walls, not the
points.
* Highly effective on tight, damaged, or worn fastners.
* Chrome vandium steel construction.  Manufacturer's lifetime replacement
guarantee.

Cat. #	Description			Reg. 	Sale (Thru Oct 31, 96)
3177 	10 piece Wrench (Open end/box) set 	59.99	53.99
3122	9  piece 1/4" standard socket set	19.99	17.99
3123	9  piece 1/4" deep socket set		34.99	31.49
3175	12  piece 3/8" standard socket set	34.99	31.99
3133	12  piece 3/8" deep socket set	59.99	53.99
3112	17  piece 1/2" standard socket set	79.99	71.99
3119	15  piece 1/2" deep socket set	129.99	117.00
3136	71 piece complete set		249.99	225.00

Shipping is based on price.  US MAIL shipping for the full set would add
$13.95 to the cost, with additional charges for other forms of shipping.
PA residents pay sales tax

==END==

I'm tempted to go for this.  [Jeff wonders how much he can get for his
almost new Craftsman socket sets at one of those used tool places.  Or
maybe I'll just list them for $225 (more than I paid) in the Penny Saver
and wait for my buyer to come along ;-)]    I believe it was Steve Braedke
(I think I just blew that spelling) who had purchased a set of these.  How
do these prices compare?

My only complaint would be that the full set appears (from photos) to come
in one of those "suitcase" style molded plastic cases while the individual
sets are in a roll (wrenches), or in a socket box or on a rail.  My
preference would be for each type of socket to be in it's own box,
especially as the Metrinch box lids seem to be labeled with which size each
socket fits in all of the systems.

Anyone know where you can get empty socket boxes from?  (I can handle
making my own labels.)

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:43:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Series Database

-	2640????A,
-	1964,
-	IIA,
-	109",
-	big green beastie,
-	Bronze Green/Limestone/alumimium/bondo red
-	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
-	dd (well, there is an engine swap going on right now)
-	unknown,
-	dkenner@emr.ca,
-	Originally a Geological Survey of Canada vehicle with koenig pto
	winch.  Easily one of the worst Land Rovers currently driving around,
	candidate at Stowe for "Worst of Show" award.  Other options:  snow
	plough (hydraulic), fairey winch.

-	254?????
-	1962
-	IIA 
-	88"
-	"little earth pig"
-	Poppy Red/light grey/light greem/limestone
-	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
-	(er, the one below dd)
-	dkenner@emr.ca
-	The LEP is a composite vehicle with a rebuilt frame from a Cdn
	spec II underneath, IIA axles, gearbox, engine, bulkhead, with
	III electrics and interior.  Front bumper is custom holding
	a koenig pto winch , the fairleads forming a three point hitch
	to hold hydraulic equipment from tractors (namely a hydraulic
	log splitter, mounted battering ram style), there is a hydraulic
	tank welded to the bumper, a hydraulic pump driven off the engine
	(generator pully being off a Cdn spec Series I 88")

	We will see about the other ten or so that I have...

	What constitutes a parts vehicle?  What percentage of garbage do
	you really need to be holding onto when the rest is the most 
	worthless junk lying around (and if it is to far gone for even me
	to use, I'll guarantee it is probably worthless...  though I do know
	people worse than me around here...)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:16:03 -0700
From: karlsson@edgenet.net (karlsson)
Subject: Re: Metrinch Source

Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:
> A while back there was some talk about, and praise for, Metrinch wrenches.
> I got a catalog in the mail today offering these tools and thought I'd pass
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 76 lines)]
>                        Taste for the good life,
>                       I can see it no other way.
>                                 --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

I bought a set of Metrinches through a TV ad.  Set looks similar to the 
Eastwood 71 piece picture, but I think Eastwood has a few more toys 
included.  (I haven't looked hard, so can't say for sure.)  Price through 
the TV ad was US$149.xx, as I recall.  I don't really understand your 
concern about the "suitcase."  I think it's pretty handy.  My only 
complaint, other than the 14mm / 9/16 socket has a bit of peeling chrome, 
is that the design concept results in a lot of "slop" that is 
unavoidable.  Sort of like having a very coarse ratchet.

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

------------------------------

From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:24:55 EDT

on Mon, 9 Sep 1996. you wrote:

>I had a similar problem last ytear but I wussed-out and got a
>'professional' to do it.

>In UK we can get something called 'Easy-Outs' 

We have them in the US as well, although "Easy Out" is an oxymoron of the
highest caliber. Problem is that they also tend to expand the bolt being
removed thus wedging it further into the hole, and it is necessary to
drill a hole in the broken stud/bolt/screw first. Easy outs, or stud
extractors as they are sometimes known, are the line of last defense. 

I have had the same problem several times and I've found the best first
try is to use a PROPERLY SIZED screwdriver and using a 20 oz. ball pien
drive it into the screwhead. A few moments of reasonably insistent
tapping (while trying to turn the driver) will loosen the screw unless
it's really bad. Better to spend the time and do this work upfront  than
to have to use easyouts, but if you're already to that stage, good luck!

I have had the most success replacing these screws with flathead type
socket screws. The allen head is almost always easier to remove than the
phillips type, especially if you fill the head with silicone caulk after
it's installed to prevent rust and gook from messing it up. The silicone
is easy to dig out when you have to remove the screw, and leaves a clean,
rust free socket to put your allen wrench in.  Also, you might try
finding and using aluminum screws, they are easier to break off and drill
out if the need arises, and the wheel holds the drum in place anyhow. In
every case, you should use Cop-Graf or some other graphite-bearing anti
sieze compound when you reassemble. 

On the thread of the compressed air tools: There are at least three or
four good quality impact type wrenches which run off 12vdc, as well as a
few types of drills. Better to use the 12v direct than to a)compress air,
losing energy in the process,  b)release the air, losing even more energy
in the process, and c) have to carry a lot of un-needed
compressor/tank/hose/etc. Also, 12v tools may be used when the engine is
off, though I wouldn't reccomend it for long. Guess I just can't imagine
needing any other kind of air tool on the road. 

An exhaust powered bladder (can be used as a jack) is available through
JC Whitney. They can lift one corner of a 3 ton vehicle with ease. I
think they cost about 45.00, and obviously, cannot be used where sharp
edges may cut through the bladder.

just my .02

mark 
"The British drink warm beer because Lucas also makes refrigeration
components"

------------------------------

Date: 10 Sep 96 16:50:46 EDT
From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Database

One more 88" for the books:

25900623A, 1972, S III SW, 88", none (aka that thing, it), dk green w/sand top,
Virginia Beach, Va., USA, DD, unkn (rumored to have started in Virginia area),
75347.452@compuserve.com

Steve R.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:58:17 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Metrinch Source -- More sources.

>I bought a set of Metrinches through a TV ad.

Yup, apparently Metrinch sells directly through their infomercial (from the
WWW Infomercial index - I did an Alta-Vista query on Metrinch) :

Metrinch - Standard and metric tool set, combination wrenches and sockets,
with case
5 payments of $25.95 equals $129.75, plus $14.95 S&H - (2/96)
order: 800-554-3838 or 800-730-4800; mail: Metrinch, 10303 Norris Ave.,
Pacoima, CA
91331

The same set (I assume) is also available from
http://choicemall.com/metrinch/index.html
Once again, I have no affiliation with these folks, though they seem
"cheesier" than the Eastwood Company.  For $129.95 + 14.95 S&H you get:

==AD copy from choicemall.com==
There's a vast selection of Metrinch tools for professional as well as
industrial
applications.

This special tool kit was selected by master mechanics to cover 99% of
everyone's
tool needs.

Because Metrinch is so versatile, the 48-piece set does the work of over 100
conventional tools!

You Get All This in One Compact Set:

      21 Double Duty Sockets
      7 Dual Purpose Deep Sockets
      10 Piece Multi- Purpose Combination Wrench Set
      2 Spark Plug Sockets
      3/8"-1/4" Adaptor
      1 Heavy Duty Ratchet handle with Quick-Release 3/8" drive
      6" Extension Bar with handy wobble
      1/4" Quick-Drive Spinner handle
      2" Extension Bar
      3/8" Smooth Action  Universal Joint
      1 Handy Finger Ratchet
      1 Hard Shell Molded Carry/Storage Case
==END==

> I don't really understand your
>concern about the "suitcase."  I think it's pretty handy.

Because I'd still have to carry another tool box for screwdrivers, speeders
(not included with the Metrinch set) vice grips, pliers, punches,
machinists hammer, multitester, etc., so I'd rather just carry one box
containing all my automotive tools.  My latest Craftsman set came in one of
the molded suitcases, and I couldn't stand it -- especially since it seemed
that every time I opened the thing I had to put a number of sockets back in
place before I could get to work.  There was some extra space in the Sears
case for additional tools, but not enough for all of the above -- which is
what I carry on any extended voyages.  After a month of living with it, I
went out and bought a Rubbermaid toolbox and (since I couldn't find socket
boxes anywhere) a bunch of those socket rails.

That Rubbermaid toolbox was recently replaced with a larger one, but I'm
wondering if a switch to Metrinch might allow me to go back to the smaller
one -- The new one won't fit on the wheel box between my built-in "toolbox"
and the rear of the Rover.

Thanks for the info though.  Anyone else have experience with these wrenches?

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

------------------------------

From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Def-90 Jerry Cans
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 13:51:53 PDT

Hello, I had a good time at the Palo Alto California meet, I found it by chance,
driving my Defender by. I got the Atlantic British brush guards and side steps
just last week, only took 2 hours to install all of them (It was the best 
birthday present ever).

I was wondering, has anyone found a way to put external jerry gas cans on the
defender-90s? I cannot see an easy way to do this. Also, I heard that there
is a kit to move the spare tire to the hood of the def-90, is this true? I
thought if I could move the tire, then I could put gas cans on the back, also,
maybe if the tire is on the hood, noone will confuse my truck as a jeep anymore!

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
1994 Defender-90 (Red)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 21:14:53 UT
From: "Trevor Talbot" <fc101@msn.com>
Subject: re LANDY LINGO

Adrian
       I think your suggestion about making a list of 'terms used 'is 
essential , especialy for older members like me (late 50's) and younger lads 
and because we are from all parts of the world. I'm English ie. NON EUROPEAN. 
By the way , I've just spent 2 hours going through all my Land Rover books 
trying to find information on the LANDY LINGO,theLANDY LEXICON and the SERIES 
LINGO but can't find any. Were these special prototypes that didn't go into 
production . If you or anyone has any info on these , let us know 

 Trevor  
            101 FWD CONTROL GS
              88 SER 2a SWB 
              SERIES 1 SWB

------------------------------

From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:27:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Metrinch  THE SOURCE

In a message dated 96-09-10 17:08:57 EDT, you write:

>e) is also available from
>http://choicemall.com/metrinch/index.html
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)]
>      1 Hard Shell Molded Carry/Storage Case
>==END==

   I Purchased the above mentioned set thru QVC the shopping channel on TV..
The price is still $ 117.96 plus $ 6.97 S&H plus your local tax..
Heres the phone number 1-800-345-1515 the item number is V-4780.
   Qvc will give you a 30 day return period no questions asked..
I have been very happy with mine, they have come in handy a couple times Just
ask Spencer .
     If the chrome is peeling you should be able to contact Metrinch direct
and get a replacement< I don't have their number but their website will have
it..
hope this info helps
Rgds
Steve Bradke

------------------------------

Date: 10 Sep 96 17:58:33 EDT
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: British Car Union Festival-DesPlaines, Illinois

The tenth British Car Union Festival, held last Sunday, September 8, in Des
Plaines, Illinois (Suburb of Chicago near O'Hare Airport) was a complete success
with 757 registered British vehicles. Close to twenty- two Land-Rovers, mostly
Series. Two Land-Rover trophys were awarded by popularity vote; Allen Gordon and
Gary Davidson. The Union does not present a long distance traveled award, maybe
next year.  Also, next year we will be registering British motorcycles. 

If you want your name on the mailing list for 1997, drop me an e-mail or
telephone 847-885-7789.

At this date, I believe the Des Plaines show is the largest British Car show in
the US.

Bill Kowalski
'67 L-R IIA 109"
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Range Rover for sale

To All,
        The time has come to sell my beloved Range Rover. My debt to income
ratio needs to be readjusted (so the bank says) to be considered for a home
loan.
        The Stats,
1988 Range Rover
OME springs and shocks
K&N airfilter
new battery (as everybody knows)
New fuel filter (sounds familiar)
90,000 miles 
Grey leather
        Overall in pretty good condition. I am asking $13,000 but I am open
to offers. I will driving my soon to be aquired SIII as a daily driver.
                If you are interested please let me know,
                        Rover On,
                                Blair
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover (For Sale)
1973 S III 88
1967 FLH HD

------------------------------

From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:12:33 -0400
Subject: TS bracket

Tom, I have one I'll give you. Send me an address.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
Woodstock, GA USA
(90 min from Social Circle)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:57:09 +0930
From: Charlie DeBRINCAT <cdebrinc@awadi.com.au>
Subject:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest -Reply

unsubscribe lro-digest

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 18:22:37 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe LRO

------------------------------

From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: gauges
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:51:38 +0930 (CST)

Richard Marsden writes:
> They don't make an electric oil temp. gauge.

Sorry Richard they certainly do, elec oil temp guages were a factory 
fitment to lots of rangies and i have a smiths guage which was removed 
from a 2.6L ex-army 109, the sender unit was in one end of the factory 
oil cooler, unfortunately the whole cooler assy was U/S (front end 
collision).

As for the person with the original problem, apart from the 10V 
regulator make sure you check the earth leads, most of the guage hassles 
I've had have been earth related.

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:08:31 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel/Trek trials

Gary Elam wrote:

>North Point Land Rover has a farm in the area...and they just took delivery
>of the Discovery Trek vehicles.

Veerrryy interesting.  The "Trek" competition is going to be the same 
weekend as the Mid-Atlantic Rally.  LRNA's Trek organizer promised me that 
they'ed schedule next year's Trek so as not to conflict.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:06:52 -0400
From: Richard Ruffer <rruffer@world2u.com>
Subject: Re: Def-90 Jerry Cans

Leland J Roys wrote:
> I was wondering, has anyone found a way to put external jerry gas cans on the
> defender-90s?...Also, I heard that there is a kit to move the spare tire to 
> the hood of the def-90...

There is a bonnet mount spare kit that RN sells.  Attached are two
recent posts from the rro list on it.  As far as I know, no one has come
up with a good jerry can mount for the D90.  A couple of folks on the
list have mentioned trying to get something custom made.  I've seen
photos of military D90s and 110s with dual jerry can mounts which look
like they could be fitted to the rear door if the spare tire is moved. 
Haven't had the time to track them down, though.  Be sure to let the
list know if you find anything.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@world2u.com
'94 D90
*********************************************
Subject: Bonnet Spare
  Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:21:41 -0400
  From: CVandecar@aol.com
    To: rro@playground.sun.com

  OK here is all I know about the bonnet spare,
I Purchased the D90 from Gunn Land Rover in San Antonio and they put the
spare on the bonnet using a Rovers North kit.  You will need to obtain a
D90
steel rim since the factory alloys will not work with the kit.  The kit
comes
with plenty of under bonnet reinforcing structure to support the weight
of
the rim with the Mud Terrain (heavy!).  With the spare up there, the
bonnet
will no longer pop up when the release cable is pulled.  You can use two
people to open it (one hold the cable out, one to raise the bonnet).  I
use a
cassette tape case to hold the cable out while I raise the bonnet.  You
will
lose some forward visibility, but it has not bothered me as I am tall
enough
to see out (6'2").  The only problem I had with the kit is with a steel
reinforcing plate underneath the bonnett that was not painted and
started to
rust.  I had the dealer remove and treat the offending part.  The kit
has a
center post used for centering the rim and has a hole in the end so you
can
padlock the whole assembly to avoid theft.  I plan on using the rear
spare
rack hardware to mount a custom (self made) aluminum rack to hold two
jerry
cans and the high lift jack.  This way I can use the rack to remount the
spare if I want, but I would probably just throw the extra spare in the
back.
 Rovers North told me if you have the tapered allowy lug nuts they will
work
with the steel rim, but I will probably get a set of steel rim lug nuts
anyways.  I have some pictures of the D90 with the spare up on the
bonnet.
 If somebody with a scanner etc. would be interested in posting these to
the
list I would be happy to mail them to you.  TallyHo!

Chris Van Decar
94 D90 SloMo VII
************************************
Subject: more bonnet stuff
  Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:24:32 -0400
  From: CVandecar@aol.com
    To: rro@playground.sun.com

  Somebody asked how much I paid for the bonnet spare kit.  I had the
dealer
install the kit before I bought the D90 (I told them I would not buy it
unless I could get the spare on the bonnet : ).  I'm not sure how much
just
the kit from Rovers North costs but the whole thing ran me about $800
(the
kit, new steel rim, and new BFG Mud Terrain in stock size).  I'm sure
y'all
could do better if you sourced your own rim and tire.  I thought,
mistakenly,
that only Land Rover N.A. had a kit.  I did not know of the existence of
the
Rovers North kit until later.  Looking at the kit, it seems simple
enough to
mount as long as you have a drill and a rivet gun/tool.  The hardest
part
would be centering it on the bonnet and making sure it was far enough
towards
the front of the D90 to allow the bonnet to clear the roll cage.

Chris Van Decar
94 D90 SloMo VII

P.S.  This is my last post for about a month.  I am leaving for the U.K.
soon
and will call the list from there to report any (mis)adventures.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:17:20 -0400
From: Richard Ruffer <rruffer@world2u.com>
Subject: D90 Jerry Cans

Leland J Roys wrote:
> I was wondering, has anyone found a way to put external jerry gas cans on the
> defender-90s?...Also, I heard that there is a kit to move the spare tire to 
> the hood of the def-90...

There is a bonnet mount spare kit that RN sells.  Attached are two
recent posts from the rro list on it.  As far as I know, no one has come
up with a good jerry can mount for the D90.  A couple of folks on the
list have mentioned trying to get something custom made.  I've seen
photos of military D90s and 110s with dual jerry can mounts which look
like they could be fitted to the rear door if the spare tire is moved. 
Haven't had the time to track them down, though.  Be sure to let the
list know if you find anything.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@world2u.com
'94 D90
*********************************************
Subject: Bonnet Spare
  Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:21:41 -0400
  From: CVandecar@aol.com
    To: rro@playground.sun.com

  OK here is all I know about the bonnet spare,
I Purchased the D90 from Gunn Land Rover in San Antonio and they put the
spare on the bonnet using a Rovers North kit.  You will need to obtain a
D90
steel rim since the factory alloys will not work with the kit.  The kit
comes
with plenty of under bonnet reinforcing structure to support the weight
of
the rim with the Mud Terrain (heavy!).  With the spare up there, the
bonnet
will no longer pop up when the release cable is pulled.  You can use two
people to open it (one hold the cable out, one to raise the bonnet).  I
use a
cassette tape case to hold the cable out while I raise the bonnet.  You
will
lose some forward visibility, but it has not bothered me as I am tall
enough
to see out (6'2").  The only problem I had with the kit is with a steel
reinforcing plate underneath the bonnett that was not painted and
started to
rust.  I had the dealer remove and treat the offending part.  The kit
has a
center post used for centering the rim and has a hole in the end so you
can
padlock the whole assembly to avoid theft.  I plan on using the rear
spare
rack hardware to mount a custom (self made) aluminum rack to hold two
jerry
cans and the high lift jack.  This way I can use the rack to remount the
spare if I want, but I would probably just throw the extra spare in the
back.
 Rovers North told me if you have the tapered allowy lug nuts they will
work
with the steel rim, but I will probably get a set of steel rim lug nuts
anyways.  I have some pictures of the D90 with the spare up on the
bonnet.
 If somebody with a scanner etc. would be interested in posting these to
the
list I would be happy to mail them to you.  TallyHo!

Chris Van Decar
94 D90 SloMo VII
************************************
Subject: more bonnet stuff
  Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:24:32 -0400
  From: CVandecar@aol.com
    To: rro@playground.sun.com

  Somebody asked how much I paid for the bonnet spare kit.  I had the
dealer
install the kit before I bought the D90 (I told them I would not buy it
unless I could get the spare on the bonnet : ).  I'm not sure how much
just
the kit from Rovers North costs but the whole thing ran me about $800
(the
kit, new steel rim, and new BFG Mud Terrain in stock size).  I'm sure
y'all
could do better if you sourced your own rim and tire.  I thought,
mistakenly,
that only Land Rover N.A. had a kit.  I did not know of the existence of
the
Rovers North kit until later.  Looking at the kit, it seems simple
enough to
mount as long as you have a drill and a rivet gun/tool.  The hardest
part
would be centering it on the bonnet and making sure it was far enough
towards
the front of the D90 to allow the bonnet to clear the roll cage.

Chris Van Decar
94 D90 SloMo VII

P.S.  This is my last post for about a month.  I am leaving for the U.K.
soon
and will call the list from there to report any (mis)adventures.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:37:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: 1973 88" SIII LR

Must be some answers to his questions here.  Isn't there a "How to by a LR
FAQ" on the Rover Web?  If I hadn't updated my browser last week, I would
not of lost (misplaced) all my bookmarks.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883   lmkessler@srnet.com

>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:17:38 -0400
>X-Sender: garymead@mail.microserve.net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
>thanks
>gary mead
>89 RR

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:03:03
From: GeorgeEsq@gnn.com (George S. Szydlowski)
Subject: S III Speedometer cable

Does the Speedometer cable end that fits into the transfer case have a 
square or rectangular shape??? I have tried two after market cables and they 
round off after five minutes of use...can use use an aftermarket with a 
shim? thanx.g.s.s.

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Subject: Re: 1973 88" SIII LR 
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:16:00 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us>

In message <bulk.9816.19960910194536@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> Must be some answers to his questions here.  Isn't there a "How to by a LR
> FAQ" on the Rover Web?  If I hadn't updated my browser last week, I would
> not of lost (misplaced) all my bookmarks.

	Yes such things are mentioned in the FAQ.
http://www1.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.top.html

	Though those pages will be moving to a new site soon.  Either 
Dixon or I will post the new address when the move is complete.

Ben
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA>
Date:          Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:04:42 +0200
Subject:       Re: Metrinch Source

> A while back there was some talk about, and praise for, Metrinch wrenches.

I obtained a set a while back and have been using them for abt a 
year now.  My own opinion is that there is *nothing* to beat a 
proper socket for the proper thread i.e. these work but there are 
better alternatives.  I prefer to buy a purpose designed spanner or 
socket now and have stuck with snap-on as out here they seem to be 
the only ones who make imperial tools

Peter Burgers
SIII 4.1 Chev conversion> 

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:15:51 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Cookery (was: BRITISH CAR SHOW)

> By the way, I saw an ad for a book on manifold cookery a while back, but

It's called Manifold Destiny.  A good starting point, but by no means an 
in-depth tome.  I picked up a couple copies for $8-10 as xmas gifts a 
couple of years ago.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: gauges
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 8:44:51 BST

Daryl

> > They don't make an electric oil temp. gauge.
> Sorry Richard they certainly do, elec oil temp guages were a factory 
> fitment to lots of rangies and i have a smiths guage which was removed 
> from a 2.6L ex-army 109, the sender unit was in one end of the factory 

Yes, I knew Rangies did
109s: When I was asking about an electric replacement for
mine - people here and the suppliers I phoned said that they don't
exist. Non-existence for 12V was implied, as well as 24V.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:52:15 +0000
Subject: Re: S III Speedometer cable

Quoting George S. Szydlowski, from 10 Sep 96

> Does the Speedometer cable end that fits into the transfer case have a
> square or rectangular shape??? I have tried two after market cables and
> they round off after five minutes of use...can use use an aftermarket
> with a shim? thanx.g.s.s.
The one's I got were triangular.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:54:48 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Metrinch Source

  As you might guess, I don't work for these guys, and in
>fact I'm not even a satisfied customer -- they just sent me a catalog.
FWIW,I bought a set of Metrinch spanners for use here at work.
Out of curiosity I tried them on the Land Rover.Rubbish in my view,
however well they are made.They fit where they touch,and they dont
touch much!I dont mind rounding *their* bolt heads off,but I'll
be damned if I'm doing it to mine.I've got an assortment of Whit/BSF
spanners in my kit,and have replaced the Metric side of my socket set
with Imperial(1/8"WW to 9/16"WW by 1/16").YMMV of course.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

PS I've just looked in my desk drawer,and some twerp has nicked them!
The culprit should be easy to spot.He's the bloke with all those
round bolt heads.

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:02:04 +0100 (BST)
From: "T. Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:  3 or 5 bearing engine?

>The serial number is 25306936J - is this a 3 or 5 bearing engine?

Ian
According to my list, an engine no. starting 253..... is a 3 bearing 7:1 CR
2.25 petrol originally fitted to SIIA and SIII

Tom

Thomas D.I. Stevenson        gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Millport
Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland KA28 OEG

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:27:42 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: 3 or 5 brg

Ian

I looked at my manual last night.

The 5 bearing petrol engines (whether 2.25 or 2.5l) were allocated two 
serial number sets because they were built at different plant. The 
commencing numbers are: 36100001A and 99100001A. The crankshaft fitted 
to the former is a casting whereas a forged shaft is used in the latter 
and the diesel engines.

A number of improvements were incorporated into the new blocks.

Hope this tells you what you need to know.

-- 
David G. Olley
-----------------------------------------------------
New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
-----------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:33:48 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: 2.5 litre petrol cam info

Valve timing for 2.5 litre petol engine:

inlet opens		11 deg btdc
inlet closes		47 deg abdc
inlet peak		108 deg atdc
exhaust opens		46 deg bbdc
exhaust closes		18 deg atdc
exhaust peak		104 deg btdc

With valve clearance of 0.38 mm (0.015 in) nominal setting for checking 
only.
Running clearances (engine hot) 0.25 mm (0.010 in)

Yell if you need anything else.

-- 
David G. Olley
-----------------------------------------------------
New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
-----------------------------------------------------

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:40:12 +0000
Subject: Re:  3 or 5 bearing engine?

Quoting T. Stevenson, from 11 Sep 96

> According to my list, an engine no. starting 253..... is a 3 bearing 7:1
> CR 2.25 petrol originally fitted to SIIA and SIII
What's this list?

any chance of getting a copy onto the FAQ?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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