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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 22:03:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: 1965 SII diesel colour of engine

can someone tell
Juha Kuusisto
Janka@online.tietokone.fi
the colour of the *engine* on a 1965 diesel
by any chance?

Lloyd

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 96 14:56:23 
From: "Jens Vesterdahl" <jve@phaseone.dk>
Subject: 2.25 ignition timing

Hi All.

Here's one for all you with 2.25 petrol engines out there: 
What is your ignition point? I have a sII engine with 7:1 compression ratio in 
my 109 and all I can get from the manual is the ignition point using 83 octane 
fuel. I believe that for 8:1 ratio heads the manual says what to do using 90 
octane fuel. Here is Denmark you can only get 98 octane leaded fuel, so that's 
what I'm using. Anyone running on 98 octane leaded got a hint? So far I've been 
adjusting the ignition by listening to the engine sound, 'cause every time I 
tried to set the timing accurately at say, top dead centre, I couldn't adjust 
the idle and mixture to get it to ruin smoothly. So I always end up adjusting 
the distributor while the engine is running.

Please don't tell me to switch to 92 octane unleaded. That would be like taking 
the cigars and cognac away from senior citizens :-)

Happy Rovering

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 08:00:49
From: KAACPA@gnn.com (KEITH ARMSTRONG, CPA)
Subject: A/C compressers

Hi All,

Remember, that while most-if not all- late model compressors do 
indeed pump lubricant as well as refrigerant through the system, 
the old GM in-line compressor (you know, the ones that look like 
generators) have an integral oil sump and do not rely on lube in 
the system.

Now I'm not saying that these would make an ideal source for 
pressurised air, but they'd work better that a newer radial type 
with no lube sump!

Keith Armstrong

D.O.C.C. #1071
'80 Rover SD-1( For Sale / Trade )
'92 Ducati 750ss
'94 Land Rover Discovery
?got a line on a '60 Alfa Giulietta, anybody got an opinion?

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Date: 07 Sep 96 09:49:35 EDT
From: "Peter J. Gronous" <100617.1214@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Top Gear and EU bo**ocks

Seeing all the talk about only genuine parts being legal if those prats in
Brussels get their way reminds me of another Brussels excercise in futility
about 4 years ago. They muted that only licenced garages will legally be able to
work on cars and us DIY types would commit a criminal act if we took a spanner
to our own cars. Another of their schemes was to make all DIY work on houses
illegal and only registered tradesmen would be able to undertake building work.
 The irritating, nay infuriating thing is that all the lunatics that run Europe
spend tax payers money like water to come out with absolutely unworkable ideas.
I am sure that they are going to push us just that little bit too far and it
will be a revisiting of 16 December 1773 (Those on the western shores of the
pond knew what they were doing). Then their little bubble will burst.
Just going to mount the bazooka (OEM) on the roof of the Range Rover (that gets
the LR content in) any one care to join me for the revolution.:-)

Peter Gronous
Surrey, England

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 06:57:24 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Transmition overhaul

Andrew Howton wrote:
 
> Hello again to all you deadicated Rover fans.

< big snip of an excellent story >

Thanks for the post Andrew. You made my day :-)

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 07:05:23 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Air Tools

Floris wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong,
> but it seems more logical to use an electric compressor as it can also
> be used when the engine doesn't work... which is also the time that you
> will most need your air tools !?

A good thought but those el cheapo compressors commonly sold for pumping 
up tires are not up to the task. Been there, done that :-(  The one I had 
 - before I purposely smashed it to bits - took 10 minutes to air up one 
tire, no kidding! Remember also that if you did manage to find a decent 
electric compressor in the 1hp + range and you used it to power air tools 
in a case where the engine was disabled you would certainly be in need of 
the cranking handle when the repairs were done.

Cheers, Greg

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From: daviscar@concentric.net
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:05:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Chicago

At 03:39 PM 9/6/96 -6, you wrote:
>I'm planning on going to the British car show in Des Plaine, IL 
>Sunday. Anybody in that area know te weather forcast?

Well every year in the past wwe have had great weather. But after watching
the wearther chanel this morning we have a chance of rain. so I think the
weather will be good.
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
59 109 SW (no name yet) (home now.)
Daviscar@concentric.net
       

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:09:50 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Re Kenlowe fan

Thanks to the guy (from Scotland) who offered to fax me the fitting
instructions - unfortunately I deleted your message rather than save it!!

my fax no is (01689) 603071

this is through a fax/modem that automatically switches on my computer, if
it isn't already on, so it can take time answering, or try once, wait a
couple of mins and try again

MANY THANKS!

_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_

Simon Ward-Hastelow

Orpington, Kent, U.K.

whastelow@atlas.co.uk

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:54:23 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Aftermarket (Top Gear Report)

There was some alarmist writing about supposed EU legislation banning 
aftermarket parts. I have not heard or seen or read anything about it here. 
Can someone provide me with a text or point me towards a source?

Just for the record: In the EU (not the EC any more, Stuart!) the MPs do not 
make the laws. The laws are made by the comissioners. The European 
Parliament has been clamouring for law-making powers ever since it was 
founded. And besides, apart from a little nonsense every now and then, most 
of which is corrected after a while, the EU has been pretty good for Europe, 
and a lot of EU bashing is just caused by a lack of information, or a 
special interest.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:54:18 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Series steering

Manny P. Garcia wrote:

:i am very interested in having power steering in my s3 109 pick-up and s3 88
:sw.  however, i don't know if there are genuine kits available.  if there
:are, can somebody please inform me of the part number, otherwise, please
:advise where i can get conversion kits - preferably in UK.

No original parts ever existed, since power steering was not an option on 
Series cars. One advertiser I have found:

Engineering Hydraulic Services
Powertrain Buildings
Stringes Close, Willenham, 
West Midlands, WV13 1LE
Tel (UK) 1902 637797
Fax (UK) 1902 604006

I have no idea whether this is a diy job or not.

:another thing is the leaf spring - i would like to have a rather comfortable
:ride - similar to that of the defender.  my only option would be to convert
:my leaf-sprung rovers to coil-springs - now this would be a very far-fetched
:request, anyway here it goes - can anybody instruct me how to do this ?  

One advertiser I have come across is 

Designa Chassis (formerly Arrow Chassis Ltd)
Unit 1, Churchill Buildings,
Churchill Road, 
Doncaster, DN1 2TF
Tel. (UK) 1302 341153
Fax  (UK) 1302 341736

They also have a distributor in the USA:
East Coast Rover Co.
Tel. (US) 207 594 8086
Fax  (US) 207 594 8120

They advertise a Heavy Duty Galvanized Coil Spring Chassis for an 88 at gbp 
789.00, and for a 109 from gbp 1102.00. This includes vat at 17.5 % which 
you would not have to pay. Needless to say, freight and local taxes would 
probably add quite a lot. Also, you need new axles, springs, shock absorbers 
and bushes. another company offers to change your swb to coil sprung for gbp 
2,995.00, so it would be rather labour intensive. It is certainly not 
supposed to be the easiest job, so you may be well advised to just look 
after your leaf springs properly (i. e. grease them and protect them from 
dust and sand as much as possible).

I have no connection or experience with any of these companies.
Hope this helps

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:54:25 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at

houniet@xs4all.nl from the Netherlands wrote:

:Correct me if I'm wrong,

:What do you think of a series IIa '70 hardtop, rotten crossmember (under
<snip>
:for DFl 6000 (about USD3000)?
:It is(was) for sale at a LR dealerette near here and although I don't
:really have $3000 to spend, I really need a LR of my own!

6000 Dutch guilders is more like 5000 US dollars, I'm afraid. You must have 
been using *very* old conversion tables! 

Anyway, I would say it is much too expensive. Check the ads in LROi - you 
could probably get yourself a very nice runner for 2000 pounds, or 4000 
guilders, in the UK.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:33:55 +0400
From: Bill <whitmore@qatar.net.qa>
Subject: New disco quality?

Yeh! I know this is kiddies country but what are the experiences of the
LR.team.Net of the problems experienced with Discos produced in the last
couple of years?
I have a 3 year old auto V8 which has been, unbelievably, reliable and I
am considering a new one. However, from looking at US news groups the
impression is that the Quality has gone down with the increased
production and it is often described as a lemon.

Experiences, from other owners, here in the Middle-east is that the GM
fuel pumps average about 28K kiloms before packing in. Can anyone tell
me if Lode Lane has responded to the problem?

Have they finally got rid of J.Lucas's (Prince of darkness) crummy
ignition and heater switches?

Bill.

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:38:45 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Series gaiter kit

Hi all - 
The long-awaited replacement for the gaiter kit that didn't fit the D90 has 
arrived. It doesn't fit either. I think this one is for a SII or III - can 
anyone confirm? The kit no. is 276954.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: 07 Sep 96 14:54:08 EDT
From: Richard Maynard <101723.414@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: My vehicle

Details of my Rover for the database...

93156798C, 1977, III, 109, Charlie, Marine Blue & Limestone, London, UK, dr/ur,
not known, 101723.414@compuserve.com, lro-net, Station Wagon;minimalist and
removable camper conversion; Overdrive; non standard front seats (Ford Granada);

Cheers, Rich

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:20:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Series gaiter kit

 I just installed gaiters on my Series lla
Kit number was 276954
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 23:17:16 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Series gaiter kit

ASFCO@aol.com wrote:
>  I just installed gaiters on my Series lla
> Kit number was 276954
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Rgds
> Steve Bradke

Pardon my ignorance but what is a "gaiter kit" when it's at home?
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 23:26:24 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Air Tools

Greg Moore wrote:
> Floris wrote:
> > Correct me if I'm wrong,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> the cranking handle when the repairs were done.
> Cheers, Greg

When I last travelled around Iceland with the 88", my mechanic
recommended taking 2 spare tyres - one on the rear door, one on the
bonnet, PLUS a length of rubber hose with a filler-connector on each
end. The hose must be long enough to reach from either spare to any
tyre. Before leaving "civilisation" the spares were pumped up to well
over working pressure, I seem to remember 50-60 psi! Any need for
compressed air, for reflating the tyres when returning to hard road
surface (that's a joke in Iceland!) after rough terrain, could be met by
hosing from one spare to the tyre in question. I fitted a filler valve
with manometer to the hose and was able to control the pressure in this
way. The spares could be filled at the next pit stop.

I have also heard of a modification to the exhaust - using exhaust
gasses to pump, but I haven't seen this mod!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:26:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Series gaiter kit

Allan inquires:

<< The long-awaited replacement for the gaiter kit that didn't fit the D90
has 
 arrived. It doesn't fit either. I think this one is for a SII or III - can 
 anyone confirm? The kit no. is 276954. >>

Yes, 276954 is the gaiter kit for Series front axles.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 18:55:31 -0500
From: hilltop <hilltop@advantage.ca>
Subject: Series I Air Cleaner

A funny thing happened to me on my way to the tune-up...

 My Series I 86" with a 2 litre petrol engine has a paper element air 
cleaner. It is sitting on a Solex carburator. The air cleaner says "AC 
made in England" as do all the oil fittings, filters, etc. and the carb 
has a very stock looking adapter to make it fit.
 My LR parts store/garage says he's never herd of any air cleaner but 
the oil bath type. So let's have your vote. Has anyone out there seen a 
factory, paper element air cleaner on a 2 litre?

NOTE; if this is a REALLY rare option I'll sell it for the BIG BUCKS :-)

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:18:06 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Series /D90 gaiter kits

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Steve Bradke wrote:

> I just installed gaiters on my Series lla
>Kit number was 276954

Bingo!
Anyone passing through St. Lucia want a Series gaiter kit with leather lovingly 
Vaseline'd ready to fit?

BTW the previous non-fitting kit was part no. RTC3826. What part number is the 
gaiter kit for the US D90?

As an aside, I assumed that the replacement really was the right one this time 
so I didn't think I needed to check the match of the gaiter clamp ring with the 
swivel seal retainer bolts before starting. Starting involved getting the 90 
front on stands, wheels off, get everything to be enclosed in the gaiter 
spotless, remove the small spots of rust on one swivel, spend about an hour 
preparing the gaiter itself, drain the oil from the housing, and ..... swear.

So, with the tools already out, and in need of something to fix, I decided to 
continue the search for the cause of the blast of smoke of start-up. Today's 
selection from the list of possible causes - an injector that may be dribbling 
at start - exchange for a new one received last week. Begin with the cylinder 
that consistently has a soot-covered glow plug and everything goes smoothly 
until torquing down the clamp that holds the new injector in place. Well before 
the required 25Nm the stud shears, leaving me at 4:15 on a Saturday afternoon in 
a small town in the West Indies with a broken end of the stud sticking out of 
the engine block.
Now comes the magical part. The remaining piece responds to the lightest angular 
tap of punch and is removed. A friend drives me to the only appropriate place 
open at this hour and he has a stainless bolt of the same thread and approximate 
length, and cuts off the head and rounds it off nicely for me. This US$1.50 
replacement works perfectly and I'm running again in 30 minutes. When that stud 
sheared I expected to be immobile for weeks while I waited for a replacement 
from the UK. 

Having got this far I should say that guy who drove me to the hardware place was 
 there because he had come over to show me his new purchase - an ROW-spec 110 
Defender 200Tdi Pickup. He bought it from the UK Govt agency that has just 
finished building the road on the West Coast of the island, and he is over the 
moon with it. 
It brought home the difference in what is described as a Defender. The US D90 
vehicle is obviously very capable but aimed at the fun market. This 110 had been 
well used as a very serious work vehicle. There were 5 originally, four others 
were scrapped as being too far gone (most likely because of poor maintenance). 
For the Series people in North America who see the Defender as a closer relative 
of the RR and Disco, let me assure you that the series tradition continues with 
ROW-spec Defenders that may have a few more plastic bits on the dash but are 
built to do the job.
In my opinion the US 90 should have been given another name.
Cheers

 

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 23:45:43 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Series III Brakes

Thanks to everyone who wrote in to help with my problem (having to pump brakes 
twice to get pedal). Andy Woodward hit the spot.
The old bus had been in to have a hub seal replaced while I was abroad and 
since the  rear shoes had been contaminated, they replaced them as well.
Sure enough the top spring was connected to both shoes.
Good call Andy! The Scottish roads just became a lot safer!

Here are my details for the database:
91615650C,1976,III,109,tbd,limestone,Morayshire,Scotland,dd,unk,djflee@msn.com
,lro-digest,safari station wagon,12 seats,UK RHD,2.25 diesel,good reliable 
condition 'though the clock is running on a new chassis,off-roaded whenever 
the opportunity presents itself.

Thanks for the advice everyone

Dave Lee

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:49:57 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Series gaiter kit

On Sat, 07 Sep 1996, Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> wrote:

>Pardon my ignorance but what is a "gaiter kit" when it's at home?

If it's at home it is useless. As was my first kit. And now my second kit. In 
its correct place it is a leather cover that encloses the chromed swivel ball on 
the front wheels and reduces the chance of rust.

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:21:40 -0400
From: Andrew Steele <ad158@dayton.wright.edu>
Subject: rover info from canal list

FORWARDED FROM: /mail/ad/ad158(#17592) From:owner-canals-digest@troy.blacksheep.org

canals-digest            Thursday, 5 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 723

The following subjects are included in this digest:
Re: NBs and Cruisers
Re: GPS (was Re: VHF on the Cut)
Re: Landrovers(was cruisers etc)
Re: WRG & Songs
Re: GPS
Re: Landrovers(was cruisers etc)
Land Rovers
Re: canal songs
Re: Was Re: Propane Gas Conversions
Bridge Nos. at Frankton, canal guides

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From: idm@wg.icl.co.uk (Ian McCarthy)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 10:22:16 BST
Subject: Re: NBs and Cruisers

Beware conversations about "Landrovers" attract farmers, no sorry Palmers.

                Cheers Ian Mac

- --- Ian McCarthy     --- International Computers Limited (ICL)
- --- idm@wg.icl.co.uk
- --- All opinions expressed here (however stupid or mis spelt) are my own,
- --- and nothing stated here is an official statement by ICL.
- ---         WARNING **** read the message not the words. *******
_  _|_________|__
\  |  TCO | 88 |||
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------.
|___________________________________________________________________/

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From: "bruce (b.o.c.) munro" <bocmunro@nortel.ca>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:32:00 -0400
Subject: Re: GPS (was Re: VHF on the Cut)

In message "VHF on the Cut)", John Kent writes:

> > If the displaced water is flowing back along the sides of the ship, then
> > the Bernoulli Effect would mean that there would be low pressure on each
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> float some way off from the edge - not actually touching the side at
> all - what effect is seen here? Could it be connected?

Well, as no water is flowing past the vessel (assuming it isn't moored in a
tideway) there should be no effect. The only thing I can think of is that
whenever you've looked at moored ships the wind has been offshore!

- -Bruce
Bruce Munro.  <bocmunro@nortel.ca>
"The game is about glory. It is about doing things in style, with a
flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for
them to die of boredom." - Danny Blanchflower

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From: "David Chapman (NSi)" <DaveC@netsi.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 18:06:00 PDT
Subject: Re: Landrovers(was cruisers etc)

>> > the 1963 Amphibious Landrover that is kept at the Duxford Museum.
>> > ...
>> > the propellor is on the propellor shaft just in front of the rear
diff.
>> So (combining threads), does its stern dip when you accelerate? :-)
>Maybe, but the stern dip you've been discussing up 'til now has nothing
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>to do with acceleration ... unless *your* speed indicator is calibrated
>in Knots per hour...:-) Ok, that's thread number three. Any more and we
can
>make a rope to hang the person who started this futility.. ;-)
>Maybe, but the stern dip you've been discussing up 'til now has nothing

Yes,
Link thread to Henley 1997 and the impotency (for want of a better word)
of organisations such as the IWA that should represent boaters at a
governmental level and the excellent efforts of NABO (yet another thread)
in campaigning against the silly retrospective legislation in the BSS
that could result in rare and historic vehicles from our marine heritage,
such as the 1963 Amphibious Landrover, being unable to use our waterways.

:-) but a serious issue that could result in much :-((((((

# David Chapman               Its a car___
# davec@netsi.co.uk                       ~~~~Its a boat
# 100025.1074@compuserve.com       AMPHICAR AHOY

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From: edraa@csv.warwick.ac.uk (DR S NEILL)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:34:52
Subject: Re: WRG & Songs

(snip)
>I was reminded that the times they are a-changing when..
(snip)

...the folowing words probably have new interpretations...

(snip)
>Bring me my spade! Oh Ecstacy!
(snip)
 opening songs ("All hail this grand day when with gay
>colours flying...") but didn't get any
(snip)

Sorry!

Sean

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From: Simon Atkinson <simes@raunds.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:27:48 +0100
Subject: Re: GPS

In article: <322F34F6.203D@iafrica.com>  John Kent
<uthstaff@iafrica.com> writes:
:>
:> There was some discussion about the apparent increase in speed
observed
:> by the equipment immediately after closing of the throttle. There was
:> also linked discussion of the stern being 'sucked down' when the
:> propeller turns.  If there is an increase in speed (I am not
convinced
:> that there is) could it be that the GPS notices that the bow dips
when
:> the throttle is closed and translates this into a speed increase?
This
:> would be very brief and might account for the observed
aberration.||:->

How much does you nose dip then?  I should think anything less than
about 50 metres wouldn't show up as altitude is too accurate on GPS!

- --
Simon Atkinson
simes@raunds.demon.co.uk

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From: Simon Atkinson <simes@raunds.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:26:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Landrovers(was cruisers etc)

In article: <01I94ACXBQN600146N@SDL.UG.EDS.COM>  MARK@SDL.UG.EDS.COM
(Mark Fawcett EDS Unigraphics Cambridge UK; mark@sdl.ug.eds.com) writes:
:>
:> > the 1963 Amphibious Landrover that is kept at the Duxford Museum.
:> > ...
:> > the propellor is on the propellor shaft just in front of the rear
diff.
:>
:> So (combining threads), does its stern dip when you accelerate? :-)

You mean when under power?  I don't think so,  as the prop is midships
the nose would dip if anything.  This would be compensated by the
tendancy of the nose to rise at speed anyway!

I have been looking for the article,  but haven't found it yet,  but
there is a chap (I think he lives along the GU somewhere) who has a
Landy that has been completely sealed and the doors welded up etc.  This
one also is amphibious and is powered by a standard prop at the back
driven hydraulically from the PTO.  This vehicle looks like a small DUKW
and has a 'hull' shape to it IYSWIM.  Apparently it's not too good in
the canal as there is rarely enough depth for it to float!  I suppose he
can just drive along the bed!  (He wouldn't for the article though -
didn't want to damage the canal).

If I find the article I'll post the details!  Something to look forward
to!
- --
Simon Atkinson
simes@raunds.demon.co.uk

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From: Martin Ludgate <editor@navvies.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:44:36 +0100
Subject: Land Rovers

All this talk of Land Rovers old and new and whether they have anything
to do with canals reminds me...

Waterway Recovery Group has (amongst our varied collection of rusting
and hopefully soon-to-be-replaced vehicles) a couple of elderly Land
Rovers. These have given good service over the years and are very useful
on some restoration sites on account of their ability to go where
Transits fear to tread.

However they are both currently off the road (as opposed to being off-
road) and need a lot of work doing to restore them, and WRG can't afford
to have this done professionally.

If any of you L/R enthusiasts might be interested (or know anyone who
might be interested) in:

(A) volunteering to help us restore them for WRG use, or failing that...

(B) offering to take them and restore them on behalf of a local canal
society or group for their own use (but we would appreciate the
possibility of borrowing one back occasionally), or failing that...

(C) taking them on free loan to a canal society (like any other item of
WRG plant) and helping to restore them for use by that society, or
failing that...

(D) simply taking them off our hands, for a nominal sum (we'd prefer
them to go for restoration rather than breaking for spares)...

...then Mike Palmer (Mike.Palmer@bbc.co.uk) would be very pleased to
hear from you.

They are both Long Wheelbase diesels: one is a Series IIa with Broomwade
Compressor fitted under the bodywork (I don't think the compressor has
been used for a long time); the other is a Series III.
- --
Martin Ludgate

Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com

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From: clare@angelos.demon.co.uk (Clare Izard)
Date: 4 Sep 1996 22:17:51 +0100
Subject: Re: canal songs

Richard Fairhurst increased the size of the news spool by writing:

[....song snipped...]

>Er, you get the general idea. I'm sure there are several lurkers here
>(hello Alec, Ben, Clare, Matthew...) who can remember more of it...

*grin* Hello Richard!

Other verses include, if I remember correctly,

'we'll already have her clothing when she comes'
'it'll be Alec (our regular weed hatch operator) who finds her when she
comes' etc etc

Oh, and the correct spelling for the chorus line is of course:

'singing blblblbebuebrlrblublurrlubr when she comes' :-)

Oh, and whilst we're on the subject of dubious narrowboat songs, how could
we forget the wondrous 'Old McDonald had a weedhatch'!

Clare

- --
Clare Izard
clare@angelos.demon.co.uk
(01223) 353278

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From: Jeff Dennison <jeff@folkwise.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:15:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Was Re: Propane Gas Conversions

On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 16:01:43 +0000, you wrote:

>The fact is that red
>> > diesel will be outlawed very soon --
>Does anyone know if there is any evidence for the above statement?
> I have noticed that in harbour ships moored by ropes to the shore
 *
As I understand the situation we are one of only two countires in the
European Community that continue to allow a vast subisidy on
agricultural diesel.   There is some feeling that we may soon have to
come into line with the rest of Europe and charge full price including
VAT for red diesel so the price will be similar to DERV.

Jeff

Songs of the Waterways - Coronation (1895) North Oxford Canal at Ansty

The meek will inherit everything here - but not by being meek I fear.
                                           (Jim Woodland "Miracles")

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From: "David H. Crowe" <17038@elm.cossor.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:16:33 +0100
Subject: Bridge Nos. at Frankton, canal guides

> > >At Frankton Junction the bridge
> > >numbers change from 70 to 2, I don't know why
> > I haven't got my Nicholsons with me, but I seem to remember that the canal t
> I have noticed that in harbour ships moored by ropes to the shore
o
> > Llangollen from here was the 'branch' and the bit going off at the junction
(the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> which is now referred to as the SU Main Line. A branch was also built to
> Llanymynech to the quarries there.

I got the last bit wrong, of course. The Newport branch was related to the
Shrewsbury canal and the Birmingham and Liverpool Junction canal. The
Ellesmere joined the Chester canal by using an extension of the Whitchurch
branch (from Frankton to Whitchurch, not the arm as it is now). The line to
Shrewsbury became the Weston branch, as it never did get to Shrewsbury. It
starts just south of Frankton junction on what is now called the
Montgomery(shire) canal.

Snip

> But why the bridge numbers start again I do not know. I think the route from
> Frankton to Trevor was always on the main line of the Ellesmere. I guess it
> was a decision of the SU to renumber all bridges and to start again at all
> junctions.

Looking at the Nicholson guide, it seems confused about the problem. It
correctly describes the Montgomeryshire and Ellesmere meeting at
Llanymynech, then goes on to say that the route to Llangollen from Frankton
was a branch of the Montgomeryshire!

Since the route from Hurleston to Newtown is greater than that to
Llangollen, I suspect it was the *SU* that decided the former was the main
line, and the line to Llangollen was the branch. (Hence the bridge
numbering starting again.)

Out of curiosity, how many people out there are interested in the history of
canals?

Cheers,
Dave Crowe

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End of canals-digest V1 #723
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-----FORWARDER'S COMMENTS:
I got this post from the canal list.  The amph. thread has been going for a
while, but the two available rovers warrents may be of general interest.

ams

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From: daviscar@concentric.net
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Brake Problems HELP!!!!

HI All

My 1959 109 sw has brake problems.
What I have done so far is, replaced all the wheel cyl. front and rear, new
brake shoes all the way around. (yes the shoes have been checked for the
right shoe up front and in back.) I have bleed the brakes and the master. I
am not getting any more air at the wheels. after bleeding the rear wheels
last night I had good pedal (nice and solid) Stepped on the pedal today and
it went to the floor!!! If  I pump the brakes I can get some pedal but not much.

The back brakes where bleed with the drums off (thanks to who ever for that
Idea it worked good.) I am going to do the same to the front wheels In the
morning. I am at a total loss if this does not work does anyone else have a
Idea?
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
59 109 SW (no name yet) (home now.)
Daviscar@concentric.net
       

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 19:31:45 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Air Tools

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> When I last travelled around Iceland with the 88", my mechanic
> recommended taking 2 spare tyres - one on the rear door, one on the
> bonnet, PLUS a length of rubber hose with a filler-connector on each
> end.

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.

> I have also heard of a modification to the exhaust - using exhaust
> gasses to pump, but I haven't seen this mod!

I have seen these in pictures but have no experience with them. The idea 
seems good. For those who are wondering, the exhaust gasses don't enter 
the tire.

Greg

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:00:01 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel trophy

Alan Richer wrote (or would have, if the text of his message hadn't dropped 
into a black hole):

>Where's the Camel Trophy next year.

I can do even better...I can tell you where the US trials are.  First off, 
the next year's trophy is going to be in Mongolia.  Not much mud there.  The 
US trials are going to be in Social Circle, Georgia in December.  "Social 
Circle, GA???" you say?  Yup, about 50 miles east of Atlanta just north if 
I-20.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:00:04 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Springs

WRT the thread on springs, I've seen these heavy mystery plastic sheets that 
you fit between the leaves on reassembly.  These slip sheets keep everything 
limber without the bother of grease/oil attracting grit.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 11:09:46 +0200
Subject: Re: 

lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> Anyway, I would say it is much too expensive. Check the ads in LROi - you
> could probably get yourself a very nice runner for 2000 pounds, or 4000
> guilders, in the UK.

Thanks for the tip, I believe the Dfl 6000 one still has the English
paperwork... (2000 guider profit isn't bad!)
I did hear that decent English diesel 109's older than 25 years are
becoming a bit hard to find. Do you know if this is true?
Anybody in England got one for sale?

P.S. I found out that 6000 dutch guilders is 3585.60 US dollars! 
I found a converter on the web, quite handy :
http://www.olsen.ch/cgi-bin/exmenu

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