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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:02:35 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Top Gear V's the car lobby

>Brussles?) such that car manufacturers would gain a monopoly on supplying
>"body panels and fittings" for their vehicles.

Thanks,Ian.
This old chestnut keeps rumbling around.I beleive it was started/encouraged
at one time by the infamous BMW because people were making aftermarket
body panels at reasonable prices.Case for the Monopolies Commission?
Or is it just Brussels silly season(which runs from January to..January).
Doesnt even originate with the motor industry in a way.Over twenty years
ago now,a major computer manufacturer(proper mainframes,not this toytown
stuff)was successfully stopped from forcing customers to use only their
branded media.They had then to stoop to underhand methods,such as jacking
up the maintenance bill if you werent buying their mag tape or whatever.
Its on a parallel with the scheme that offers you a pittance for your
ten year old car if you scrap it and buy a new one.
You can just imagine,cant you,the S1 owner,in a scruffy old mac with
the collar turned up,and his hat down over his eyes,at the dead of
night,giving a coded knock on a backstreet door,and asking for Fred.
Money changing hands,all talk in whispers in a dingy basement stuffed
with illegal spares,and he has to try and hide the transfer case in his
poacher's pocket to avoid arrest,and possible torture,by the infamous
Parts Police.And the film rights are mine!!!
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 7:49:59 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: lead free Chevy conversions

Don't waste your money unless you >need< to do a valve job on either of 
these. V8 engines don't rev high enough or get hot enough under normal 
conditions to warrant new valve seats solely on the basis of fuel. 
If you are doing the work yourself, your local Chevy dealer has access to 
tech sheets and high performance parts for their engines. Also try 
mail-order outfits that you find in magazines like "Hot Rod" and "Super 
Chevy" (such as PAW) for insty-swap heads. Often cheaper than DIY or 
local talent.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:18:11 +1100
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: LR Lifestyle "For Sale"
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Had a phone call during the week with Hilton Pollard and...
he is "calling it a day". His wife is ill and his son has 
a career elsewhere etc. So after 30yrs plus in the LR trade he is 
selling.
Pollard Motors
Fax number: 61 45 650138 
Location: Singleton - Putty Road, Colo Heights 2756 NSW AUSTRALIA
Block: 1 acre on main road 30km from Windsor (Northwest Sydney)
House: 4 bedroom, fireplace in lounge, combustion stove kitchen, 
Sheds; 2 full of shelved, sorted LR parts, new and used,(mainly series) 
and serving counter etc. Vehicle service/overhaul section, yard full of 
Land rovers and Rover cars etc approx 25 - 30 yrs of accumulated parts
business and knowhow...
Turnover : A$ 280,000
Asking for whole lot A$ 280,000
Sale preferred, or lease considered

LRO content - "sigh"
Ross

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:37:27 +0800
From: "Manny P. Garcia / Aileen R. Garcia" <mann@epic.net>
Subject: RE : Help - Series Steering / Leaf to Coil Springs

i am very interested in having power steering in my s3 109 pick-up and s3 88
sw.  however, i don't know if there are genuine kits available.  if there
are, can somebody please inform me of the part number, otherwise, please
advise where i can get conversion kits - preferably in UK.

another thing is the leaf spring - i would like to have a rather comfortable
ride - similar to that of the defender.  my only option would be to convert
my leaf-sprung rovers to coil-springs - now this would be a very far-fetched
request, anyway here it goes - can anybody instruct me how to do this ?  

i know that there are shops out there that can do this and that there are
available chassis (in UK) that are already converted.  the reason why i need
to know this on my own is that my rovers are here in the Philippines.

if somebody has any of these conversions already, i would appreciate
comments/suggestions on said conversion since i do not know if there would
be adverse effects.

Manny Garcia
mann@epic.net

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:44:15 -0500
Subject: Re: towing

On  5 Sep 96 at 12:19, Andrew Steele wrote:

> I towed a series 88 with my 1987 Range Rover.  I used the u-haul autotranspost

 trailer.  It has tandem axles and surge brakes.  I had to reload the rover 3
 times (forwards, rearwards, forwards) trying to get the weight balance
 correct.  The trailer had a hand crank winch (but it's still hard work).  I
 was never able to get the wight balanced on the trailer with the wheels
 sitting in the load area on the trailer.  I ended up disregarding the front
 wheel tie downs and repositioning the 88 in the center of the trailer using my
 own tie down straps.  Not fun.  It was still a very heavy tow with the weight
 too heavy on the back of the Range Rover.  Until I shifted the 88 backwards on
 the trailer, any stop (even from less than 10 mph at stop signs) caused the
> front Range rRover wheels to lock and slide.

I have also used the U-haul trailers to tow 109's and find that an 
essential thing to have along is a huge c-clamp to disable the surge 
brakes, which will allow you to back up without locking it up.  I found that even 
the slightest incline when backing the loaded trailer locked the brakes.  
Don't forget to remove the c-clamp for normal over the road travel, and 
don't tell the dealer you will be disabling this safety feature 
occasionally so that he will sleep well that night.

I found that towing a 109 facing either forward or backward (the Rover, not 
me), has worked ok for me with 
my wife's Jeep GC as tow vehicle, but I took it easy and locked out overdrive to prevent 
overheating the automatic transmission.  A class III hitch bar is also a minimum requirement as far as 
I am concerned.  Bring extra tie downs since the wheel straps they 
provide with the trailer have no idea what a 7.50-16 tire is and won't fit 
properly.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 8:46:06 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: RE : Help - Series Steering / Leaf to Coil Springs

Obviously you want a Defender. The conversions you describe will cost 
about the same as a new Defender 90. Sell the old ones and buy a new one. 

The chassis available in the UK for coil conversion aren't merely chopped 
up and reconfigured Series chassis, they are highly engineered specialty 
pieces that have been developed by people with a lot more experience in 
these matters than the home mechanic. 
I would have serious reservations about attempting to take on a 
conversion such as you describe without buying the proper chassis and 
parts from those who have done many of these already.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 13:59:18 BST
From: stuartp@inteq.bhi-net.com (Stuart Pressage)
Subject: Aftermarket (Top Gear Report)

Hi !
As far as I can recall, (due to the fact that I sat rooted to the sofa
absolutely gobsmacked at Top Gears appreciation of the Brussels
outpouring.) Is that a moratorium will be set up for cars less than ten
years old, the aftermarket, or whats left of it, will still exist but
for vehicles older than ten years. [Do I here cheering from owners of
series vehicles and early LR90's & 110's ? - Now service your flash RR
or Disco cheaply ! ] Thank you Brussels for increasing the value of my
1984 LR90 as its probably worth less than the sum of its parts !

There is but one way forward to put the boot into this idea, and it has
to be done NOW ! You find out who he or she is and You lean on your
Euro MP, NOW !  Make sure he or she realises that it is not just Joe
Public that it will cost dearly, but at some point he/she will want to
be re-elected. Then show them that it will hit them in the pocket too
by taking them off the gravy train ! Empowered, motivated  and
knowledgeable voters do have impact !

It doesn't just hit the Land-Rover Owner but EVERY motorist in this
country AND the rest of the EC. Groups like the AA will only work so
far on your behalf You have to motivate yourselves on this one or buy a
bike.

Do not count on the EC in Brussels throwing out this legislaion as
unworkable, look at the mess they've made of it so far....... Something
a minor as pandering to the whim of all the poorly paid motor
manufacturers in Europe..... Tish ! Tish !  Surely some mistake.....

The main thrust for emplacement of the legislation will probably take
the tune that it will be more eco-friendly, and  hence that will "sell"
in Europe..... These people need to be shown they are wrong before you
have to go through the European Court of Justice just to get back what
you have already. Your choice....

Regards
Stuart Pressage

"Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to
make them all yourself" - ETPS ARIA

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From: "Tom Rowe" <WI.Center.for.Dairy.Research@calshp.cals.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:15:29 -6
Subject: Re: Brake servo warning lamp

> Is this light/switch an MoD special perhaps?
-
No. But I don't know if it was standard after a certain year, or 
optional.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:33:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: towing

On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:
> >	If my 109 can tow another in its current immaculate shape, 
> Ahem....immaculate?  Same as 'light' off-road, eh?

	Er, there are neophytes here.  We don't want to frighten them.

	Actually just got back from a cut and fetch mission.  Seems there
	were a pair of 88's up at a quartzite mine south of Sudbury, on an
	island in Georgian Bay.  Even better, I had received a phone call
	from the mine manager telling me to come up there and take them, 
	or what I wanted, away.  Thus a road trip was born.  7-8 hours across
	from Ottawa to Sudbury, then south to Killarney, (then barge to the
	island) in a Disco towing a nice large trailer.  Not only did we 
	get put up in the local motel on the mine tab, but yesterday they
	supplied a boom truck, forklift, blue wrench and a mechanic to
	assist in chopping these things down (they were beaten...), load
	it all up for us and transport back to the mainland.  Chopped was
	a green IIA 88 sw and a yellow II Cdn Spec 88 (one piece doors etc,
	now in stock of course... :-))  Could have grabbed more, but time
	was limited as the mine manager has been transferred to Arkansas,
	leaving yesterday at noon...

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:50:16 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: RE : Help - Coil Springs

Bill wrote...
>Obviously you want a Defender. The conversions you describe will cost
>about the same as a new Defender 90. Sell the old ones and buy a new one.

In some cases this is very true. If you want power steering, new look dash
board, higher windscreen etc. etc. then buy a Defender. But... if you are
just looking for the good parts of an old Series Rover and a few of the
good parts from a Defender, a swap can be a good idea. If you compare
apples to apples in a rebuild of a worn out Rover, the coils don't add much
to the price. So it may cost you as much as a Defender, especially in other
countries where the Defenders are plentiful and cheaper used, but in the US
a coil IIA or III conversion is about one fifth the price of a D90.
Of course the agruments still apply... it isn't a Defender, well your
right, in some ways, but in some ways it might be a bit better.
Totally agree with Bill, unless you are a skilled fabricator and want to
get into it deep, don't mess with converting a chassis yourself, or kits
from companies that cut up Defender chassis with no engineering background,
the kits are too well designed, and too simple to install.

See ya.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 15:43:28 +0200
From: Eskild Enemark <enemark@po.ia.dk>
Subject: Re: So Called Specialists

unsubcscribe(Land-Rover.Team.Net)

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:49:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: New springs fitted.

On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Adrian Redmond wrote:

> What did you pay for the springs? were they galvanised? Anyone got
> experiance of galvanising leaf-springs? Where is thius Merseyside place?

	WOuldn't the galvanising process (lots of heat etc.) kind of make 
	a mess of temper in the springs?  Long ago (pre war) you could 
	get gaiters for your springs.  Even seen them made of tin with
	grease fittings to help the springs last longer.

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 06:51:25 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: RE : Help - Series Steering / Leaf to Coil Springs

At  8:37 PM 9/6/96 +0800, Manny P. Garcia / Aileen R. Garcia wrote:

>i am very interested in having power steering in my s3 109 pick-up and s3 88
>sw.  however, i don't know if there are genuine kits available.  if there
>are, can somebody please inform me of the part number, otherwise, please
>advise where i can get conversion kits - preferably in UK.

National Power Steering, in Leicester, UK, (sales 0533 514706, FAX 0533 628959)
has a power steering kit for series Land Rovers.  It looks nice installed
and looks like a relativly simple instillation.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:33:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: SI Questions

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Clinton D. Coates wrote:

> Two questions.  Will galvanizing
> a SI 80" frame seriously reduce
> its value as a collecter item or 
> its ability to be given BC collector
> plates?

	IMHO, No.

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 88 (Rancho) shocks

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 ASFCO@aol.com wrote:
> could someone please post the Rancho Part numbers front & rear, regular and
> heavy duty if available, then Dixon can add the new info to the FAQ.
> Steve

 The Rancho part numbers are in the aftermarket parts link at
 http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html (which Dixon is aware of :)

 Michael Carradine
 cs@crl.com 

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From: Patrick Townsend <patrick.townsend@bristol.ac.uk>
Subject: re: Wader Kit
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:26:14 +0100 ()

I'll show my ignorance here ... the blurb for the Series I said 'wader 
kit installed' which I assumed was the 3" pipe coming up through the 
wing to top-of-windscreen height. This would be the air intake (?) so 
you can travel through a depth of water without suffocating your motor.

Am I right, or am I right ;-)

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 17:41:58 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Top Gear and Euro Legislation

The subject of the Top Gear report is of tremendous significance to all 
freedom loving individuals.
Part of the same proposed legislation covers motorbikes. In this case it 
has been proposed that engines be assembled using bolts with special 
heads which shear off when the correct torque is reached. Why? To stop 
individuals taking them apart and changing them - or 
repairing/rebuilding them. How long before this is applied to cars?
The way in which the proposed ban on non original after market parts 
would be enforced is by legislation making it ILLEGAL to fit, sell or 
purchase parts made by anyone other than the original manufacturer. This 
would be for the first 10 years of the life of the vehicle. (Of course, 
it is a further EC wish that legislation would be passed requiring cars 
over 10 years old to be scrapped!)
Clearly such legislation is anti competition, monopolistic, and a breach 
of whatever fundamental rights the nanny state legislators feel are not 
good for us.
Write to your MP and Euro MP now, before the young graduates who are 
attempting to justify their existence in Brussels actually sneak this 
legislation through.
Most of this legislation seems to be dreamt up by civil servants with 
nothing useful to do.
If anyone on the net has a copy of the legislation sitting in a file on 
disk, I would like to see it all!

At last, something useful was tackled by Top Gear.
 
-- 
David Olley
...............................................................
New Concept
PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
...............................................................

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  6 Sep 96 13:05:27 EDT
Subject: Where's the Camel Trophy next year?

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From: "Tom Rowe" <WI.Center.for.Dairy.Research@calshp.cals.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:08:26 -6
Subject: Re: Top Gear and Euro Legislation

> Part of the same proposed legislation covers motorbikes. In this case it 
> has been proposed that engines be assembled using bolts with special 
> heads which shear off when the correct torque is reached. 
-
Maybe I'm dense, but since the head of the bolt is what retains 
whatever is bolted, how would this work?
Also seems it would make it *very* expensive to get repairs done.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:30:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Top Gear and Euro Legislation

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Maybe I'm dense, but since the head of the bolt is what retains 
> whatever is bolted, how would this work?

	Yeah, like the bolts get a bit of corrosion on them and when
	the correct torque is exceeded in trying to remove them (official
	repair shop or not) they all shear.  Work real well with automotive
	works of genius like the TR-7 head with some studs on at an angle.

> Also seems it would make it *very* expensive to get repairs done.

	More like you can't, so have to buy entire assemblies new...

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:41:43 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Oiling springs

Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

:My suggestion:

:Remove each spring in turn, take it apart and clean each leaf 
:(sand-blast/wire brush/whatever) and then oil each one before each 
:re-assembling.  If you can use an extra-sticky oil between each leaf 
:before assembly, you will get superb flexibility. (replace the bushes will 
:also improve handling)

:After re-assembly, "paint" both sides of each spring with old EP90 oil 
:each week.

:The oil will keep your springs in good condition and give you excellent 
:handling.

I always thought oiling springs was an invitation for sand and grit to get 
caught between the leaves, and grind down the leaves in no time at all. I 
heard about using graphite between the leaves, or using a good grease and 
gaiters. However, oil/grease definitely helps the ride, but has its effect 
on the longevity of your springs.
Good Land-Rovering, and never mind the compressed disks
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:44:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: portland rover

> On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (john hess) wrote:

>steel caps along the top of the doors(?), rear bed and down the rear
>corners had been removed, stripped and galvanized!!!  (then put back on)
>It looked (IMHO) VERY NICE although I heard someone say it was a good
>display of someone having too much time on his/her hands.

	Cool!  Someone has decided that a Series vehicle is really better
	and has started the programme to retrograde it back into a proper
	Series vehicle (which isn't as hard as it seems since so much
	on the D90 is Series III stuff, but from there it is an easy
	series of steps to surpress that nasty stuff...)  

	:-)  :-)  :-)

	Rgds from the hinterland...

	PS.  I'll trade this chap some one piece Cdn Spec II doors for his
	D90 door tops, just for my collection of LR curiosities of course!
	Lots of other bits here to trade too... :-)

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From: "Brian Cotton" <Brian.Cotton@lia.infolink.co.za>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:49:26 +0000
Subject: Compressors

Gentlemen (and Ladies)

Be VERY weary of automotive airconditioning compressors as they 
usualy have a lubricant (some sort of oil) that is circulated through 
the system and through the pump. If the pump is set to pump air as a 
normal compressor the lack of lube will cause the thing to sieze up.
If it doesent sieze up it will rust (due to condensation inside).
I just tested a Nippon Denso compressor off some (?) car and it pumps 
oil through it's self. 
Some compressors (EARLY Range Rover) have a sump for oil and are 
ideal.
I descided to build the electro/magnetic clutch over onto a little 
1 cylinder compressor of a 2.5 Chev powered military vehicle.
So tomorrow I'm off the the engineering shop to get them to turn me 
an adapter plate for my compressor.
Some trucks (REAL ONES NOT LR'S !) have nice belt driven compressors 
which work very well (Bedford, Mercedes etc..)

Cheers
Brian
Sunny South Africa (SUMMER AT LAST !!!!!!)     

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:20:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 88 (Rancho) shocks FAQ

oops! sorry 'bout that 
yes the rancho numbers are there and posted,  I was looking for Gabriel
numbers, the gabriel numbers in the FAQ are NOT Correct
My apologies
Steve Bradke

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:23:35 -0700
From: garnold@clvm.clarkson.edu (Guy Arnold)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

How do I get a list of digest members?

Guy Arnold

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:31:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Green Laning on 9/28

Dave;
    Looks like we will be comingup on the 28th..would like a little more info
as to the type of terrain we will be covering on this outing ..I would like
to bring the Discovery but don't want to get it scratched up in the woods..so
are the trails wide and will we fit without a problem or fear o fdamage,  or
will I be better off bringing the series lll??
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: "Tom Rowe" <WI.Center.for.Dairy.Research@calshp.cals.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:39:05 -6
Subject: Chicago

I'm planning on going to the British car show in Des Plaine, IL 
Sunday. Anybody in that area know te weather forcast?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: seriesous mods
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 16:42:40 EDT

Hey folks-

Is there any truth at all to this rumour I've heard that someone has,
at their own expense, removed and galved all the body cappings on
a two year old D90?  Sounds Seriesous.

What's next?  Going leaf sprung?  Split windshield?  Bottle opener
on the dash??  Loosen up yer steering box?  Poke holes in all yer seals?

What is this world coming (back) to?,
rd/nigel

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:05:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: seriesous mods

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Russell G. Dushin wrote:

> Is there any truth at all to this rumour I've heard that someone has,
> at their own expense, removed and galved all the body cappings on
> a two year old D90?  Sounds Seriesous.
>.
	Very true from reliable sources out on the west coast.  I was
	stunned, elated, and fearful all at the same time.

> What's next?  Going leaf sprung?  Split windshield?  Bottle opener
> on the dash??  Loosen up yer steering box?  Poke holes in all yer seals?
>.
	From reading the CSO list there is no need to poke holes in the
	seals.  The British have managed to keep their edge on producing
	Hansel & Grettlelike vehicles that mark where they have been ever
	since they figured out how to make seals (bit of an oxymornish 	
	statement though)

	Bottle open on the dash?  Don't see how one could survive in a Series
	vehicle without one (though after a 500 mile journey you might
	be reaching for the screw topped bottle of gin to numb the back
	muscles.  Beer does it for the shorter journies.)
	
> What is this world coming (back) to?,
>.
	Well, in a sense the recent UK legislation removing road tax on older
	vehicles will encourage this retrogression in automotive ownership.
	However, the manufacturers are fighting back, determined to kill
	more recent products with restrictions on aftermarket parts.  In 
	a way this makes some sense.  Live in Canada, you need never fear
	emission testing until you own a Series III (they are in danger,
	not necessarily a bad thing either... :-)) since we got that stuff
	in 1972.  You chaps south of the border are safe with the early 
	IIA stuff as 49 state regs came in in 1968 I believe.  Those in
	California are forced to go back to 1965 since they got this clean
	air message in 1966.

	Rgds from anorak land...

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:35:15 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Series Database

Greetings Everyone;

I'm new to the list, here is my info for the database.  Feel free to
respond directly to me if desireable.

25902145B,1973,III,88,none,light green, Texas, USA,DD, British Northwest
Land Rover,hermans@krts.com, lro-net,Koenig Winch driven from crankshaft
pulley; Warn free wheeling hubs; hard/soft tops; Fairey OD; 15" wheels;
everything works but choke light and reverse lights; Hella headlights;
hand throttle;tachometer;owned since 1992; original heater; 110 side
mirrors;

?, 1964, IIA, 109, Tan, Texas, USA, DR, ?, hermans@krts.com, lro-net;
Fairey FWH; Fairey OD; 2 door; no top; Ranch/Hunting Truck; Owned since
1990?; 1 ton springs; hand throttle; heater romoved
-- 

Herman L. Stude
KRTS 92.1-FM
phone 713-921-5787  fax-713-951-0650
hermans@krts.com    www.krts.com

K-Arts, Houston's Classical Radio Station
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 18:02:10 -0400
From: Tim McDaniel <mcdaniel@adra.com>
Subject: Series 88 top for sale

        I've been off the list for a while, but I'm back now.

        I have a top for an 88 for sale as follows:

                Safari roof with sunsheet.
                Sliding windows.
                Rear station wagon door included.
                All glass (sliders, rears, and alpine 
                windows) is intact.

        It's in good condition, but:

                It needs new window channels.
                It has no headliner or roof vents.

        The price is $600.00.  The top is located in Brookline, NH.
        Please contact me directly for more information.

                                Thanks,

                                        Tim
                

    +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
    | Tim McDaniel                               (508) 937-3700 ext. 725   |
    | Adra Systems, Inc.                         (508) 453-2462 (FAX)      |
    | 2 Executive Drive                                                    |
    | Chelmsford, MA  01824                      mcdaniel@adra.com         |
    | USA                                                                  |
    +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 08:21:15 +1000
From: scholes@modemss.brisnet.org.au (David  R Scholes)
Subject: HELP - Replacing Series III Flasher Switch

This I don't believe!!! I've sent a query to the list and none of my good
friends have been able to help, surely I haven't managed to do the
unthinkable and post the query that no-one could answer!

For those of you who may have missed it here's my problem. I bought a
replacement flasher switch for my SIII. Easy enough to replace I thought
except that certain leads on the new one have female connectors whereas the
original had male. Can i just cut them off and replace with male connectors
or will this have dire and unforeseen (by me at least) consequences?

There is also a group of five wires (Green/White, Blue/Red, Blue/White,
Brown/Black, Green/Red) that have male connectors on the original. The
replacment has a rubber block with 4 hollow waisted metal barrels and one
with a black end. Can anyone tell me how to put this lot back together
again because at the moment it's all hanging out in the cab.

Cheers Guys and Gals!

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 00:38:53 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: HELP - Replacing Series III Flasher Switch

David R Scholes wrote:
> This I don't believe!!! I've sent a query to the list and none of my good
> friends have been able to help, surely I haven't managed to do the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> again because at the moment it's all hanging out in the cab.
> Cheers Guys and Gals!

The 5 pole torpedo-connector mates with the opposite part somewhere
inside the birdsnest behind the speedometer. This connector carries the
wires to the headlights, indicators and horn.

The blue wire is the feed for the headlights, and must be connected onto
the load-side of the headlight switch on the dash, I think it's the
bottom right-hand spade terminal on the switch when veiwed from behind.

The brown wire feeds the headlights high-beam, and should be connected
to the fusebox - can't remember which of the four fuses, but make sure
it's on the load side (the opposite side to the fuse from the
brown-feeds which come from the ignition and power (they are bunched
together in the birdsnest).

The green-and-something-tracer wire feeds the indicators, and should be
connected to the load side of the flasher unit (in both of my series'
this is mounted in the centre of the panel roof above the birdsnest! -
Not the hazard flasher unit if such a thing is fitted)

Keep the old unit - it doesn't work, but you may need the spares one
day, a little solder can work wonders on etched contacts, and render an
old unit useable for a year or two again!

Good luck!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:43:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Where's the Camel Trophy next year?

I don't have a clue where it is next year, but here are some personal
suggestions to the organizers if they're on the list...

1. Hold it in Manhattan using the new Range Rovers. Competitors from all
countries would complete special tasks such as:Winching over taxi, obstacle
course (sidewalk), best time frome SoHo to Uptown at 5:30 pm, Team Shopping
at Macy's, followed by extra points for most organized trunk. As a token of
their gratitude, they would build a new suspension bridge.

2. Hold it in Moab, UT during the J**p Jamboree.
I don't know what they would do, but wouldn't that be a hoot?!

3.  They could start at the Portland meet and end at the VA one.
Using whatever rovers they could find, the route would stop at all parts
vendors (BP, RN, LR dealers, etc.) so vehicles can pick up spares. Special
task: Making it to the next parts depot.

4. Anywhere in Canada.
Members of the OVLR club can show them how it's done right.

5. Paris. The French will do anything in Paris inside a stadium. I've seen
indoor sailing, indoor widsurfing and indoor skiing. Special task: building a
trestle bridge out of day old baguettes. (Tip: uneaten, old baguettes can be
used to replace broken leaf springs, lost baseball bats and perhaps if done
right, rear x-members.)

: )  I know there's more to it than that, but maybe it would actually get
some media coverage...

pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:43:23 -0400
Subject: Re: seriesous mods

rd/nigel wrote:
Is there any truth at all to this rumour I've heard that someone has, at
their own expense, removed and galved all the body cappings on a two year old
D90?  Sounds Seriesous.

I considered doing it on my D110. Ever since LR went cheap on the things,
rust has been forming on the body capppings where they are welded. (BTW,
anyone know why there are welds where there are? And what does the capping
do, anyway? Why not just put some good ol' angle iron in there?) 

I've got a US spec 110 with the jungle gym on the outside, and if it weren't
for the tremendous hassle of removing and re-fitting an Alcatraz's worth of
steel bars, I would take of the roof and sides to get those things
galvanized. I don't know if I'd leave them unpainted a-la series LRs. The
dealer in Miami has been unhelpful/uncooperative re: remedying the rust. I
wonder if LRNA has helped anyone out with that.

pat 
93  110 

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Date: 06 Sep 96 22:05:44 EDT
From: "Steven  L. Meier" <102141.3253@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Lead-Free Chevy

>Date:          Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:32:55 +0200
>Subject:       lead free Chevy conversions

>250 cu. incher & 292 cu. incher to run on lead free fuel. I have one 
>of these the motive power for my SIII.

>I would need info on oversize valve guides, valve seats etc.  as well 
>as timing info

>Peter Burgers

Peter.

e-Mail direct to me more info . . . where are you, machine shop availability, 
year/engine numbers. 250 cc and 292 cc Chevy engine overhaul kits with 
conversion to unleaded exhaust valves and seats are readily available and 
economical.  Along with the "Iron Duke" 4 these are my main engine conversion 
for Land Rovers here in the mountians of the west.  I utilize 70's engines 
with no frills.  Any competent machine shop can easily convert your head   
. . . and do the bottom end as well. I can provide specs and parts to your 
shop.  If a machine shop in your area of the world is unavailable or 
uncomfortable with the head, consider shipping it to me in the US for 
conversion . . . it may be more cost effective.

Keep the "Romance" Alive . . . Steven L. Meier
ROVERS YOU CAN RIDE . Santa Fe . New Mexico
Specializing in Complete Frame Up Restorations
Engine/Gearbox Conversions and other Options Available
e-Mail 102141.3253@Compuserve.com  1.505.438.2475  FAX 1.505.989.7622

Remember "Series Land Rovers are the Grandparents of them all".
 

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:12:11 -0700
From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Well, No Chance WAS a Series IIa Once!

Hello fellow LR Owners,
	Seems Bill Adams created some interest in my Land Rover 
after I visited him last weekend.  First let me provide John 
Casteel the info for the database.  Hope I get all the info 
in the right fields.  Will try to get as much detail as I can recall
in the note field.

26101886C,1966,IIa,109,No Chance,Arles Blue,Maryland,USA,dd,private
party import,mmglass@ix.netcom.com,lro-net,Manufactured in Jun 1966;
original UK registration NCH 170E issued in Derby in May or Jun 1972;
Safari top; 5 door; 11 pass wagon; Complete refurbish by Warwick 4X4 
Limited in Feb 1994; 2.5 unleaded petrol engine - number 17H10487C 
with Weber twin choke carb; Kenlowe electric fan; extra core radiator; 
transfer case and clutch are Series III; gearbox is rebuilt Series IIa; 
diffs are rebuilt UK Defender 110; new galvanized chassis which provides 
for coil spring suspension; braking system is UK Defender 110 with servo 
assisted dual circuit - front discs - rear drums - new cupro-nickel 
brake pipes; new interior with carpets front and rear; Acoustikit 
sound-proofing; new door trims and headlining; Moorland cloth trim
hi-back 
seats with headrests in front with Defender style cubby box; low-back 
seats in center and bench seats in rear all in matching Moorland cloth 
trim; plain bull bar with lamp guards; winch mounting kit ready for a 
Warn 8274 winch; Brownchurch heavy duty full roof rack with ladder; 
custom W&H Wheel Carrier that swings away from the vehicle with the 
rear door; dog guard; rear mudflaps; JVC AM/FM/Cassette Radio: Bose 
Model 121 Speakers; new Series III doors - bonnett - wings; RHD
 
Ok - so I got a little carried away with the notes.  Do I get a prize
for the longest entry in the database?

Anyway, I love to visit with other Land Rover owners so if you are
in the Maryland area e-mail me and maybe we can set up a meeting.
And if you have any questions, send them my way and I will do my best
to answer them. Gonna do my best to make it to the meet in Virginia 
during the first weekend in October.  

Cheers - Mike Tompkins
M&M Stained Glass
http://www.netcom.com/~mmglass/

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:19:39 -0400
From: skillman@clark.net (Bob,Jean,Matt or Maggie Skillman)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

unsubscribe lro-digest

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:20:26 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Compressors

Brian Cotton wrote:

> Gentlemen (and Ladies)
> Be VERY weary of automotive airconditioning compressors as they
> usualy have a lubricant (some sort of oil) that is circulated through
> the system and through the pump.

Very true Brian. This is not generally a concern for occasional use in 
airing up tires however. They will generally last for years with no 
special treatment and when they do pack it in a replacement is waiting in 
the nearest scrapyard. One method (though admittedly not the most 
desireable) of evacuating automotive air conditioning system in the 
absence of a vacuum pump, that is commonly described in service manuals, 
involves running the compressor dry for 1/2 hour at speeds of 1750-2000 
rpm! Definately more abuse than airing up a few tires.

My favorite compressors for such a conversion are the upright piston type 
 (York, Tecumseh, Air Temp (Chrysler)) though others have had success 
with the horizontal, cylindrical units, common on newer vehicles. These 
compressors have an oil sump to lubricate the bottom end and reed valves 
in the heads that will run forever with no lubrication. The compressors 
are designed to 'spill' some oil into the coolant to lubricate the 
system, EPR valves and such, and this small amount of oil will end up in 
your tires or whatever so I would recommend incorporating a water/oil 
separator into the system. An occasional check of the oil level and top 
up will also be necessary. You will also want to get a blow by valve and 
a pressure switch rated for about 100psi. Wire the electric clutch into 
the pressure switch. These compressors are capable of generating 
incredible pressures so having both a blow by valve and a pressure switch 
is a good idea.

If you are expecting to need to set tire beads a receiver (tank) of some 
sort will likely be necessary to give enough volume to pop the tire onto 
the rim. The water/oil separator will be most effective if it is located 
as far as possible from the compressor and the outlet of the tank is a 
good location for both the separator and the pressure switch. The only 
other thing you will want to do to covert the compressor for use as an 
air compressor is remove the EPR valve (or equivalent) from the low 
pressure side (intake) of the compressor. Clean air is important for long 
compressor life so plumbing the intake into the existing air cleaner or a 
dedicated air cleaner is a must.

I hope this has been of some help.

Good luck with your conversions and may you never find yourself at a 
freeway onramp with your tires aired down to 10psi!

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:27:50 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Compressors

One other thing I neglected to mention in my previous post was  a means 
of draining condensate from the receiver if your system is so equiped. 
This is simply a tap at the lowest end of the tank so moisture can be 
drained reducing the chances of the tank rusting from the inside out. It 
is a good habit to leave the tap open and only close it when you are 
intending to use your compressor.

Sorry for the omission.

Cheers, Greg

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From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 08:09:45 +0200
Subject: Re: Air Tools

Correct me if I'm wrong,
but it seems more logical to use an electric compressor as it can also
be used when the engine doesn't work... which is also the time that you
will most need your air tools !?

What do you think of a series IIa '70 hardtop, rotten crossmember (under
the passenger seat, severely pitted balls, knife sharp springs, diesel
engine 2.25 5 bearings, overhauled gearbox for DFl 6000 (about USD3000)?
It is(was) for sale at a LR dealerette near here and although I don't
really have $3000 to spend, I really need a LR of my own!
____
Floris Houniet.

David Olley at New Concept wrote:
<snip> 
> But a high output compressor can be fitted to the PTO of a Landy. Many
> were fitted that way in the UK. The air reservoir was built under the
> rear floor. Various utilities used them and examples can still be found
> here with the original installations.

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Howton <andrew_howton@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Transmition overhaul

Hello again to all you deadicated Rover fans.  I hope every body's driveways
are spotless and tidy as we all know they must be if you own a Rover
product.  Its not like all Rovers combined would rival Exons little misshap?
Yes you've guessed it, its time to play guess that leak.  Alex I'll take
ancient criters seeping onto the pavment for a 1000.  It's critical to the
function of the Rover.  What is the rocker gasket?  Sorry that would be too
easy, try again.  What is the diff pinion seal?  No did that last time.
What is the wheel cylinders?  Yes they leak but not 90wt.  A ha, a clue.
90wt hey,  What is the transmition output seal?  Yes you got one.  Don't
tell me thier all shot!  Give the man a cigar and as a bonus prize lets make
sure that a little of the lube finds its way onto the clutch disk.

Well wasn't that fun?  How about final jepordy,  fix that leak?  Yes indeed
I knew that I was in for some fun two months ago but it takes awhile to work
yourself up when you know just how fun its going to be.  I could have
delayed a little longer but that filling the trans every two weeks was
messing up all my clothes that had not yet been claimed by the truck and the
sticking clutch tipped it when its behavoir helped my stupid side back into
that %^@^%* stump!  I've got a long weekend plus an extra day off work.
Yeh, that sould do it.  Step one look at the Rover, think what sould be
done,  swear a little, think what might go wrong, swear alot, go get a beer
and hope it all goes away.  Go out and look at the Rover again, shit no one
took it and I even left the keys in.  Apeal to budies, not a chance not
since that ill fated spring change years ago,  use a suitable sized drift my
ass.  Guess its up to me, where the heck did those tools go?  Oh, theres the
crowbar still stuck in the wall were I threw it during the before mentioned
spring change.  Ok got the tools, thats funny the metric one is too big and
the other is too small or what ever, &*$^#$(##*^( British sized ^#*^#*@%
bolts.  Did I mention that swearing is required when working on a Rover (you
all ready knew that didn't you).  Six hours, blue air, and several bloody
finger joints (how the heck do you spell knocles?) latter that cursed hunk
of steel and melted down ME 109's sits before my eyes in all its greasy
glory, kind of like a polotican.  Someone had better give me a keg for that.

Day two,  shit its still there.  Ok find the haynes manuel and hope theres
no misstakes like that first brake job (we won't talk about that).  I guess
I know why the parking brake has been on strike and the clutch has been miss
behaving now, they don't like oil spills any better than Green Peace.
Remove the rear output seal (seals like fish you know), allright remove what
is were the seal sould have been.  I guess they haven't been getting all the
fish they need they are on strike to, must be a union thing.  Further into
the job, what are those bits of metal in the trans oil?  Latter, Oh they
were the springs for the third forth sincro hub and golly sould a roller
bearing look like that Dad?  I knew I'd need seals but finding the other
bits on a long weekend is going to be like finding a Gov't worker on friday
afternoon.

Day three,  and pigs fly I found the parts in the box of spares I had my
loving Father pick up on his trip the the land of origin last year.  Now to
simply revears steps 1 to 30.  Hey this gear looks like that gear, which way
did this go,  it doesn't fit,  theres stuff left over,
*^%&*^@@*(*)*%&*$@!^&%%%#$^.  A few beer and a really big hammer, all done.

Day four, ring ring hey boss I don't think I'll be at work tomorow,  yeh its
that truck of mine again and I'll buy a knew one when you give me a raise.
Reverse day two add extra swearing.  Well that's almost done and I think I
might have injoyed a root canal from a proctologest more!  

Day five, load Rover and cross fingers for 300km drive back to work.  Sounds
good, shifts good, no oil on pavment, Mommy I'm scared.  (Thats funny the
paragraphs are getting shorter just like my temper did)

Could it be over?  Is the leak fixed?  Join me again next time, same make
same truck.  You to can enjoy this pleasent past time, first learn some
nonwebsters english from a sailor and invest in a liquor store.

Merry Chirstmass and a happy new year!  Good will to all men and burn Lucus!
(I don't know what he did this time but burn him anyway)

Andrew Howton
109 2door (It's for sale, please ignore the above if you are in the market)
110 2door (when school and jobs permit,  I hope its as much fun as the 109, shot
           me please)

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