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msg | Sender | lines | Subject |
1 | Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs. | 15 | Universals phase |
2 | EvanD103@aol.com | 26 | Re: Ser III plastic dash |
3 | charles wolfe [cwolfe@d. | 14 | bulkhead and 109 safari roof available |
4 | "Gene Sparks" [galleryg@ | 59 | Report from Portland |
5 | Mike Jasper [jasperm@iqu | 46 | [not specified] |
6 | David Rosenbaum [rosenba | 31 | Re: Couple of D90 questions |
7 | David Olley at New Conce | 22 | 2.5 L TORQUE SETTINGS |
8 | David Olley at New Conce | 18 | About the Breaks |
9 | bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bo | 18 | GM HEI ignition |
10 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 29 | Replacing bushes ala LRW |
11 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 20 | Re: 50th Anniversary When???? |
12 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 24 | Re: Series Database |
13 | lopezba@atnet.at | 28 | Re: Brakes |
14 | lopezba@atnet.at | 17 | Re: 1998 50th anniversary |
15 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 16 | Re: Report from Portland |
16 | Solihull@aol.com | 15 | Re: 2.5 L TORQUE SETTINGS |
17 | Greg Moore [gmoore@islan | 11 | fiberglass springs |
18 | ericz@cloud9.net | 19 | Driveshafts |
19 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 22 | Re: steering box rebuild (reaming) |
20 | GNBull3@aol.com | 29 | Re: Replacing bushes ala LRW |
21 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 28 | Re: Driveshafts |
22 | rover@pinn.net (Alexande | 26 | Spin-on oil filters |
23 | CarDoctor@gnn.com (Rober | 34 | 109 Brake bleeding. |
24 | Blair Gillespie [Gillesp | 31 | towing |
25 | Rob Dennis [73363.427@Co | 31 | towing |
26 | johnsona@com.usq.edu.au | 46 | Series 1. 2 litre Questions |
27 | ericz@cloud9.net | 13 | Re: towing |
28 | m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miro | 28 | Re: Back Breaks |
29 | bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian | 19 | SIII sil panel and "I'm back" |
30 | bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian | 11 | SIII sil panel and "I'm back" |
31 | m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miro | 31 | The locks on SIII |
32 | Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-m | 29 | Re: The locks on SIII |
33 | bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian | 35 | LROC of SA |
34 | bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian | 35 | LROC of SA |
35 | "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu | 23 | Re: Replacing bushes ala LRW |
36 | "Huub Pennings" [penning | 15 | Re: Can of Worms |
37 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 120 | [not specified] |
38 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 13 | [not specified] |
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 23:12:46 +1000 (EST) From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: Universals phase there is a Java applet to calculate the variation in angular displacement twixt in and out shafts for various phase and deflection angles at: <URL:http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/A.hints/Universals.html> Can anyone explain to me this funny business on (some) Range Rovers about being deliberately not in phase? I've heard several theories, none absolutely convincing. Lloyd ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: EvanD103@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:42:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Ser III plastic dash Adrian asked about recovering his plastic dash sill panels... Not quite sure what you mean by sill panels - the lower dash or fascia paded panels perhaps? Mine were in good shape, but the dash top (crash pad) was cracked in several places. I did recover that with pretty good success. Peeling off the petrified old vinyl was the hardest part. It was then a matter of cutting out the deteriorated foam beneath the areas where the vinyl covering had cracked. Expanding insulating foam was then sprayed into the inlarged cracks. It was allowed to expand and dry overnight, then trimmed and sanded down like body filler on a fender. Aerosal trim adhesive was sprayed on and new vinyl (from the neigborhood fabric store) was stretched on. Had to hunt a while to get vinyl with the proper hue/gloss/grain. Note that the vinyl stretches in only one direction, so have it aligned properly to allow the stretch to follow the curve of the dash. The plastic end caps screw on to cover the only rough looking/creased parts of the exercise. It ended up looking pretty good for something done in my garage. erik Erik van Dyck Stone Mountain, Georgia '73 Ser. III 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:53:39 -0500 (CDT) From: charles wolfe <cwolfe@d.umn.edu> Subject: bulkhead and 109 safari roof available I have a rebuilt bulkhead and a 109 safari roof available. cwolfe ********************************************************************* C. R. Wolfe M.D. Emergency Medicine Setters & Grouse Duluth Clinic New Independence, MN Duluth, MN ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gene Sparks" <galleryg@techline.com> Subject: Report from Portland Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:36:37 -0700 For those of you that did not attend, this is just a brief overview of the ABFM in Portland. ROVERS, ROVERS, ROVERS. There were about 50 rovers in attendance with a pleasant variety. Mostly series vehicles in all flavors and in all states of repair, with a nice spattering of D90's, Discos and Range Rovers. There was also a bevy of awesome Dormobiles, 1 Lightweight and a early model RR swamp buggy that had seen some very hard use (every body panel dented and bent) Nice to get a preview of what our plushmobiles will look like in 20 years. A couple of the Discos had the Safari Gard front bumpers and got lots of oohs and aahs and there was a D90 with a Mantec snorkel kit. Gordon's Camo Hybrid Coil Sprung Series Showed of it's impressive articulation by backing one of his rear tires up a stack of 3 spare tires with his trailer attached! I'd like to say that is was very nice to finally meet many of the frequent posters to lists and be able to associate faces with names. Lot's of valuable info available on virtually any Rover subject from the many of Rover Guru's in attendance. This was definitely a slice of Rover heaven. Steve from BritPac was there as well as Greg from Safari Gard and had a nice Kiosk set up with plenty of "can't live without Rover goodies" It seemed to me that the Rovers were the hit of the show (was there any doubt). I wandered around to the other areas for the Jags, MGs, Lotus, Coopers etc. and noticed that they were inhabited mostly by there own but in the Rover camp there were visitors from all of the other cliques. I overheard one of the Judges from the Host club say "I've never seen so many Rovers in one place before. Used to be every year just a handful would show up. Nice to see them finally make a good showing." Just a note about the organization of the show, it seems that the Host club doesn't know the difference between the Classes of Rovers. Many of them were classed in the wrong groups for judging (88's mixed w/109's etc.) Not that anyone seemed to care. At the Award ceremony (yawn) over half of the Rover winners didn't pick-up there winning plates. The BBQ had good food but did not deliver on the cocktails that were supposed to be included so it was not a real good value at $15 a head. They had a raffle with plenty of good prizes and some not so great ones (Monkey Gland Sauce anyone?) John White must have paid off the ticket drawers cause he won twice (do the pearls fit John?). The off road jungle course wasn't very challenging but was worth a ride anyway. LR Portland closed off the mud pit because one of their drivers (a woman salesperson) got a new Range Rover stuck in the mud after stopping in the middle of the pit. I won't make any further comments on this for obvious reasons. BTW I Promised that I would post to the List(s) the winner of the drawing for the Free Rhino Gear differential protector. And the winner is (drum role) Robert Watson of Washington. Congratulations Bob!!! E-mail me to arrange delivery of your prize. Gene USS Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 09:46 EST Subject: Land rover Virgin seeking info. From: Mike Jasper <jasperm@iquest.net> This may duplicate a forwarded post if so I apologize. I live in Indianapolis and am in the process of considering a new vehicle. I currently have a Jeep Cherokee Larado 1988 w/150,000 miles +. It has been an excellent vehicle. Recently I have had some problems and although I have everything in hand now it has caused me to feel I need to be finding something that wont strand me. I am in business for myself and all I feel I need is my Health, my Macintosh and the most versitale, reliable, unstopable transportation I can find. It was my intention to buy a new Grand Cherokee because of my good experience w/the current one but I want a manual 5 speed transmission and Chrysler has determined that if I want the Grand Cherokee I can't have one. This and the general BS I went through this last time in the dealerships service department has caused me to take a look around and the Discovery seems to be of great potential. I have gone to the local dealer and they have steered me to a 1996 SE7 (7,500 miles) which they have taken as a trade. It seems to have more stuff on it than I need but they are telling me 1 that they are offering me a tremendous deal ($32,900 for a "$40,000 car) and 2 that only about 8% of Land rovers come with a manual transmission so I need to take what I can get. (these are my words not theirs.) So my questions: This doesn't seem all that great a deal on essentially a used car. I would have been more interested @ say $28,500 am I being unreasonable in value here?! How much more difficult is it going to be if I want a new one that is just the basic model w/5 speed really?! I took a friend who is originally from NZ w/me, he has done some follow-up with friends and there seems to be this vague consensus that there are some problems with the longevity of the retooled Buick power plant. Is this true. Being and indy 500 fan I have watched alot of Buicks go fast but not last so it does worry me. Well enough for now. Thanking you in Advance for any feedback you feel like giving me. Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Couple of D90 questions On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Lucas Andres Cascardo wrote: > Hello all, > 1. On my D90 station wagon I have a trailer wiring plug that has 7 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > I correct? If so is one pin specifically dedicated to the parking > lights (which one)? Dear Lucas: I connected a "flat four" trailer harness to my '94 D90 a couple of years ago - so I'm a little foggy on the details, but the PURPLE wire is Hot regardless of light selection (according to manual, connects to terminal post of starter solenoid via a 20A fuse in the dash box and a 60A fuse in the main box). According to my manual other wires are as follows: Red/Black: Tail Lights Green: Reverse (not used with flat 4-pin) Green/Purple: Stop Green/White: RH Indicator Green/Red: LH Indicator Purple: Trailer Feed (not used with flat 4-pin) Black: Ground I don't know if this changed for the '95s or the SWs. Best wishes, David R. ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 16:19:35 +0100 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: 2.5 L TORQUE SETTINGS Can someone please tell me whether the torque settings for the Main and Big end bearing cap bolts of a 2.5 litre 4 cyl petrol Land Rover engine are the same as for the 2.25 l engine. If not, could you tell me what they should be. Then I can get this engine screwed back together again. Thanks -- David Olley ............................................................... New Concept PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ............................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 16:43:16 +0100 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: About the Breaks > When I put the springs on to theholes that make the springs strech the > least the shoes fall off, when I put them onto the next set of holes, the > shoes are sprung too tight and ptotrude outwards. WHAT am I doing wrong. Could it be that you are putting the springs on the front of the brake shoes? This would make them spring outwards. The springs go behind the shoes and should be just tensioned when seated. I can't remember which holes the springs go in, but if you lay the shoes flat on the ground in the approximate position they will adopt, it should become apparent. If you have them in the wrong holes, they will make contact with the hydraulic cylinder or backplate. Hope this helps. ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard) Subject: GM HEI ignition Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:43:55 -0700 Hi, A few weeks ago someone posted about modifying a GM hei distributor to fit his 2.25 petrol.Since I've done it also, I would like to compare notes. I lost the original posting, and wonder if he is listening?? Answer me direct if you like. Bob Bernard __________________________________________________ |>>>>>>>>>>> bobnsueb@maxinet.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<| |Bob and Sue Bernard, Paradise, CA, 916-877-5656 | |'69 88 SW Sherman, '60 88 P/U Stubby, '51 80 Nelly| |__________________________________________________| ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:56:22 -0400 Subject: Replacing bushes ala LRW In a message dated 96-09-01 19:15:00 EDT, you write: >I am about to do the chassis bushes on my 88. I suspect I will use a >threaded rod with a nut on the back and a deep socket on the front and >using another nut, draw the bush out into the deep socket. Has anyone >found a better way to do this. No personal experience. Land Rover World magazine, Sept '96 pp 124-125 has an article by John Smith on replacing springs and bushes. Recommendation for removing bushes is to drill the length of the rubber in 6 to 8 places; put bolt through bush and drive center tube out. Then use hacksaw blade to almost cut through the outer tube along its length in two locations 10mm - 12mm apart. Then use punch or chisel to peel out section between cuts; remainder of bush should follow. Recommendation for bush installation is to use very large vise as press for bushes in springs. For bushes in chassis either take vise to chassis, raise it in position and use as press (shown in photo); or use a long bolt through chassis and bush with very thick washers to pull bush into position. David Cockey Rochester, MI ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:07:06 -0400 Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary When???? Michael Slade wonders: >I was talking to a few people this weekend at the Portland All British >Field Meet about the 50th anniversary of the LR Marque. >So, the big question is, 'When is it?', and how, if you can, do you >determine when a marque is created. The Land Rover was introduced at the Amsterdam Motor Show in April 1948. This is generally regarded as the anniversary of the Land Rover. I believe a celebration may be in planning for April 1998 in Holland. The Series I Club is planning a 50th Anniversary Celebration June 27-28, 1998 at Shugborough Hall near Stafford. David Cockey Rochester, Michigan ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:23:22 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Series Database I submitted this info before, but not in the right format; here it is proper if you haven't entered it yet. ?,1959,II,109,Indy,limestone,California,USA,dd,unk, sinasohn@crl.com,lro-net, 2dr hard top; Toro OD; Roof Rack; rem. bed & cabinets; lic. "INDY 1" ?,1962,IIa,109,,dark green,California,USA,ur,unk,sinasohn@crl.com,lro-net, 4dr hard top; Chevy 6; Fairey OD; needs trans rebuilt and new engine ?,1974,III,88,,blue,California,USA,ur,unk,sinasohn@crl.com,lro-net, 2dr SW; needs rewiring; lic. plate "SFARI 88" --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:24:19 +0200 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Brakes Miroslav wrote: :BUT, when I try to put the things back together they :don't seem to sit properly. The LR is a series 3 stage 1 and I think that I :might be putting the springs on incorrectly onto the shoes. There are 3 holes :at the bottom of the shoe and 2 up the top. When I put the springs on to the :holes that make the springs strech the least the shoes fall off, when I put :them onto the next set of holes, the shoes are sprung too tight and ptotrude :outwards. WHAT am I doing wrong. You just learned a lesson: Before dismantling, sketch (and keep sketch in a safe place). The next-easiest thing in a case like this where things come in pairs is to have a look at the other half of the pair, i.e. the other wheel. If things are not catastrophic there, you just copy what you see. At least on my SI, one spring goes behind the shoes and the other in front; that way nothing protrudes. That does not mean the job is easy. I imagine the springs would be much stronger on your stage 1... Good luck Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1) ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:24:25 +0200 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: 1998 50th anniversary The official event will take place in Amsterdam in late April 1998 (can't find the exact date). Why? Because the Land-Rover was first introduced to the public in the April 30, 1948 Amsterdam Motor Show (Rover was a bit late for the more prestigious Geneva show in March). Another event worth keeping in mind is the Land-Rover Series One Club meeting on June 27-28 at Shugborough Hall, near Stafford. More than 300 SI's should be there. Regards Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1) ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: Re: Report from Portland At 07:36 02.09.96 -0700, Gene Sparks wrote: >Gland Sauce anyone?) John White must have paid off the ticket drawers cause >he won twice (do the pearls fit John?). Yep, and they look stunning with the plaid nightshirt. Good to finally get some "face time," as we say in the business, with all those folks we usually only see in cyberspace. Cheers! John ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Solihull@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:10:05 -0400 Subject: Re: 2.5 L TORQUE SETTINGS Main Bearing Caps: 85 lbft Big ends:25 lbft, but 35 lbft if the bolts have machined threads (threaded portion is same diameter as bolt shank. The above from the Haynes Manual, #314 Cheers!! John Dillingham Woodstock, GA Yes, I would like a P5, please not last name not spelled with 'worth' Thanks!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:25:11 -0700 From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net> Subject: fiberglass springs I read somewhere that the Australian army was experimenting with fiberglass springs on their land rovers. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I'd be interested in knowing how they compare to the standard steel ones. Cheers, Greg Comox, B.C. ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Driveshafts Another driveshaft question for the 'net: I've heard that the face of the output flange on the transmission and the input flange on the differential must be parallel in order to prevent dangerous driveline vibrations from developing.... If this is true, installing military (or one tonne) shackles without extending the opposing chassis perch could make for some problems....no? Thoughts, anyone? Rgds, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 02 Sep 96 18:11:53 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: steering box rebuild (reaming) >>In rebuilding the steering box on my series III, I replaced the brass >>bush for the rocker shaft. Trying to replace the rocker shaft is a >>If so, is there a particular dimesion or clearance between it and the >>rocker shaft? ... >guide, and to enlarge the bushing slowly, testing after each pass until the >shaft will just slip thru under its own weight. Sounds like effectively zero >clearance. This mother shouldn't have any clearance at all. In fact, a *slight* pre-load is advisable. You should just about be able to push the rocker shaft through and rotate it by hand with some force (it should rotate smoothly without seizing). It will settle and more or less ream itself in when in use. Fill box with oil before putting on full load! Stefan <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GNBull3@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:02:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Replacing bushes ala LRW >I am about to do the chassis bushes on my 88. I suspect I will use a >threaded rod with a nut on the back and a deep socket on the front and >using another nut, draw the bush out into the deep socket. Has anyone >found a better way to do this. >No personal experience. I've tried the LRW way of removing bushes and it was far from being a pleasent experience. The center tube can be very stuborn to remove and using a hacksaw is tedious and akward. I'd try pulling them out with a socket as mentioned first. If that fails then I'd cut them out ala LRW. If you do have to cut them out be very careful not to cut the actual chassis. Sounds obvious but it's not that difficult to bung it up. As for installing new bushes, I froze mine overnight. Then I heated up the chassis and slid the bushes right in. Most slid in by hand but a few needed a small tap to help them along. If you do decide to do it this way don't fart around because as soon as the temp's equalize they won't go anywhere without more drastic measures such as a vice. Anyway, the old freeze up method worked wonders for me but then maybe I was lucky, although fate is rarely on my side when it comes to working on stubborn Landies. Cheers George ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:16:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Driveshafts More driveshaft questions: >I've heard that the face of the output flange on the transmission and the >input >flange on the differential must be parallel in order to prevent dangerous >driveline vibrations from developing.... As has been explained with a standard Cardan joint (cross type) the output will actually speed up and slow down compared to the input twice each revolution. One way to deal with this is it use two joints with the input of the first paralled to the output of the second. Then if they are properly phased (already discussed) the speed variations will cancel. So yes, raising your LR by longer spring shackles alone can induce driveshaft harmonics by rotating the diff. Another consideration is the max angle you can expect the U-joints to tolerate. Don't have the standard SAE reference handy, but it isn't much. I'd guess the reason some RRs have stangely phased front propshafts is that it wasn't possible to arrange parallel input and output within the angle limitations, so the u-joint phasing was selected to minimize but not eliminate the harmonics. David Cockey Rochester, MI ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:17:02 -0400 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Spin-on oil filters Jeff Berg asks about the advantages of spin-on oil filters. The spin on adapter has two oil seals - one between the block and the adapter and one on each filter cannister. As such, it replaces about a half dozen seals/gaskets on the stock setup. Your oil pressure relief valve/spring gets replaced at every change. No futzing with the recessed oil filter gasket. Filters are available *everywhere*...and cheap, too. (Use Fram PH 8A.) And lastly, you wont fill your armpit up with hot oil every time you change the filter. The only disadvantage is if you hook it up wrong, you'll pump dirty oil thru the enngine instead. (The oil pressure fitting "aims" in the same direction as the existing fitting.) 'Nuff said, eh? Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) | | 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 | | | *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 20:26:39 From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis) Subject: 109 Brake bleeding. Hi All, I guess I have met my match & have to call for guidance from those more experienced then me. Here is the problem. I installed new wheel slaves all around on a 1959 109 SW. However because the rear wheels were the three bolt D mounting kind( which I was told were not available here) I installed 1 1/2 Dia. rear wheel slaves. Normal work so far. Then the fun begins with no brake pedal. So following the book I clamped off the brake hoses to find the air in the system. If I clamp the rear hose at the front I get a half brake pedal. If I clamp it towards the backend of the hose I lost the pedal completely. I can get either front or back brakes but not both. the master also does not seem to "return " when in the bleeding process. SO what is happening here???? Is the master bad or to small for the additional volume of the larger slaves in the rear ??? NO air is to be found by bleeding any of the wheels either. HELP! Rob Davis_Chicago Failure is not an option Not on my watch....... !971 (88) Treeweaver !965 (109SW) OX 1968 (109 three door) Dad's toy (only the caretaker) ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net> Subject: towing Good evening, I am about to go pick up my new S III this week and I have a couple questions. 1. I am sure people have flat towed their series before so I would like to know their experiences with doing so. I have access to tow bumber that is made for a series vehicle so that would be a clean installation. This would be nice because their would be no trailer weight but the idea of not having brakes behind is not all that appealing. Do people think that my RR brakes would be ok? 2. Would it be better to use a tow dolly ? Does anybody know if tow dollies have surge brakes? 3. A trailer. While this would probably be the best way it does not lend it self to loading the Land Rover by myself and the added weight of the trailer plus an 88 makes for a slow trip up and back. Comments, Rover On, Blair P.S. I will be using my 88 RR for the tow vehicle. Blair Gillespie San Luis Obispo Ca. USA 1988 Range Rover 1973 S III 88 1967 FLH HD ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 03 Sep 96 00:00:56 EDT From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM> Subject: towing I have a 90RR and used it to tow the SerIII several times using a tow bar. The longest trip was about 200 miles up through mountainous north georgia, into North Carolina. I never had any trouble with braking, but did wish I had more power on several occasions. The first rover I purchased was in Virginia, and I towed it home behind a F250 pickup using the tow bar. Drove about 600 miles home, and I couldn't even tell it was back there. If you don't have to far to go, I would just use the tow bar. ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| (404) 875-4537 | | ### | | | | ####### | | 1972 SerIII 88 |_____|_#######_|_____| 1990 RangeRover [_______________________] 1996 Discovery EEEI EEEI Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 02-Sep-1996 ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: johnsona@com.usq.edu.au (Arthur Johnson) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 14:30:05 +1000 Subject: Series 1. 2 litre Questions Greetings! I have enjoyed your postings over the past couple of weeks and hope you may be able to assist with a few engine problems; the start of many I feel! I recently bought a 1950 Series 1 for restoration. The vehicle is reasonably complete but was not *a runner*, having a seized engine. The reason for the engine condition was that one of the bigend bearings had *fretted*, the slippers had moved within the conrod to run *piggyback* and consequently ruined the crankshaft and connecting rod. The block also carried repairs from a previous incident where a bigend had thrown and passed through the block on the RH side where the sump bolts on. Attempts to obtain a suitable replacement engine have not been wonderfully successful. A second engine, a 1950 1.6 litre with appropriate engine #, had a bigend and shaft in even worse condition than the first and also sported considerable bore damage. The third, a 1952 2 litre was marginally better. The fourth, a short *spread bore* 2 litre, looks more promising. This one is worn but *standard* in bore and shaft and it is in regard to this engine that I hope someone may be able to help with some information. The conrods have an oiler hole and small gudgeon pin, it is fitted with a large rear crankshaft seal, full flow oil filter and crankshaft with separate thrust washers. I have a 1954-57 parts book (printed in the 1950's) and it states that the oil return pipe is in the centre main bearing cap; this engine has the oil return in the rear main cap. The engine # is unreadable due to corrosion, but if pressed I would guess that it commences with a 5. Can anyone suggest a description of the model of this engine that could be used when ordering parts (Is it out of a Rover Car?)? Also, the parts manual has written in biro on the *piston-conrod* page (#12), an alteration to the gudgeon bush to enable using pistons with the large gudgeon pin. It states simply *Gudgeon bush modification to convert small pin to large pin. I.D. 11/ 16"; O.D. 7/8"*. Does anyone have any experience of this modification? Should I expect any difficulty in completing the relatively late 2 litre engine with 1.6 and early 2 litre parts? Thanks! Arthur Johnson ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: towing I've towed my father's 109" SW behind my 109" (flat tow) on several occasions. Although It wasn't the most stable arrangement, a sharp eye for what's ahead and a distinct drop in speed around curves was all that was needed for a few hundred miles at a shot. Rgds, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:30:19 +1100 From: m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miroslav Belik) Subject: Re: Back Breaks At 08:08 AM 8/28/96 -0600, you wrote: > rovers north has an excellent instruction sheet you can get from thier > web site. http://www.roversnorth.com when i did my brakes, one [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > 73 88 sw "peggy" >hi tryed myself and can't find rovernorth on the web. I'm still trying and let you know . bye Ofir Since I saw the page address I have visited with out problems. Just thought that I would mention this. Mirek. SII Stage 1 (Trying to get it going) Miroslav Belik Email: M.Belik@UWS.EDU.AU UWS, Macarthur Phone: 018-028-708 or 61 2 823 9445 P.O. Box 555 FAX: 61 46 203025 Campbelltown, 2560 NSW Australia. ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:36:03 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: SIII sil panel and "I'm back" Howdy folks ! I have returned from my holiday travels in the Richersveld Nat Park and Namaqualand (South Africa) in the flowering desert with many a tale to tell. I'll assemble a small story for ya all and put some pics on my web page. We have decided to include this whole area in the now 8 week 50th celebratory tour of South Africa in 1998. (To which you are all invited) Tour details will be comming soon. I have successfully glued vinyl onto my SIII sil panel with very neat results. It comes in lots of colours and textures. *Hint: Don't use a textured one -the dust sits in the grooves and is difficult to clean* ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:37:40 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: SIII sil panel and "I'm back" Howdy folks ! Sorry I forgot to say goodbye ! Cheers Brian -Whats that noise- Cotton ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:54:16 +1100 From: m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miroslav Belik) Subject: The locks on SIII Hello LROs This weekend I am hoping to finally put my beast together and drive it for the first time. Now, before I go out into the big world eith my new LR I want to be able to lock it. This is however an impossibility as only one of the locks on the car works. Apparently this is a common problem woth these vehicles. Is there a way to fix this without spending a large amount of my budget on locks or will the landie have to forgoe other new parts for the locks. Many people have told me that putting on second hand ones is useless as it will yield the same problem. I need to secure the car, as the neighbour-hood I live has a high rate of theft (I have already had 2 jacks stolen from under the LR, one supporting the motor, while the gearbox is out and the other under the back spring whilst I was changing over the backing plate). Anyway I hope that some has an idea on how to fix this up. Thanks. Mirek Miroslav Belik Email: M.Belik@UWS.EDU.AU UWS, Macarthur Phone: 018-028-708 or 61 2 823 9445 P.O. Box 555 FAX: 61 46 203025 Campbelltown, 2560 NSW Australia. ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de Subject: Re: The locks on SIII Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:16:21 +0200 (METDST) Hi, | This weekend I am hoping to finally put my beast together and drive it for | the first time. Now, before I go out into the big world eith my new LR I | want to be able to lock it. Nearly impossible, I think. A friend of mine drives a SIII and all the locks work (means: you can lock and unlock and they stay locked). But I can unlock them with the key of my bikelock! The locks of my 110 are almost new, but I'd expect somebody with 'experiance' to get in in minutes or less through the door. If I'd have to get in without keys, I'd just open the back sliding window (one of these LR fit later units) with a knive. I think LR locks are just ment to keep kids from playing in the truck. Cheers, Franz --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de _______ [____|\_\== [_-__|__|_-] Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..- ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:32:24 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: LROC of SA There is a rally on Saturday/Sunday 50 Km from Pretoria. If there is anyone who wants to come and see be you a new member or an interested individual, please mail me and I'll give you the info. 50th Celebratory Tour I will be posting a comprehensive piece of info on my web page in the next few weeks regarding the tour. For now: * Starts at the begining of April 1998 * Covers about 8000 Km of South Africa * Structured in stages which can be left or joined as you wish * Self catered, tent camping, no ablutions * Private vehicles will be up for hire (pricing to follow later) * Off-road trailers will be available with all equip supplied * The applicant must be a member of ANY 4wd club and MUST own a LR or any description * Small groups will be formed as traveling companions * Repairs will be done by the driver or as arranged when a vehicle is hired. * Lots more to follow * T-Shirts I've been away for 2 weeks and don't know what the status is on the T-Shirts for us here in SA or Globaly. Please inform me :-) Cheers Brian -What's happening- Cotton ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:32:20 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: LROC of SA There is a rally on Saturday/Sunday 50 Km from Pretoria. If there is anyone who wants to come and see be you a new member or an interested individual, please mail me and I'll give you the info. 50th Celebratory Tour I will be posting a comprehensive piece of info on my web page in the next few weeks regarding the tour. For now: * Starts at the begining of April 1998 * Covers about 8000 Km of South Africa * Structured in stages which can be left or joined as you wish * Self catered, tent camping, no ablutions * Private vehicles will be up for hire (pricing to follow later) * Off-road trailers will be available with all equip supplied * The applicant must be a member of ANY 4wd club and MUST own a LR or any description * Small groups will be formed as traveling companions * Repairs will be done by the driver or as arranged when a vehicle is hired. * Lots more to follow * T-Shirts I've been away for 2 weeks and don't know what the status is on the T-Shirts for us here in SA or Globaly. Please inform me :-) Cheers Brian -What's happening- Cotton ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:17:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Replacing bushes ala LRW > >I am about to do the chassis bushes on my 88. I suspect I will use a > >threaded rod with a nut on the back and a deep socket on the front and > >using another nut, draw the bush out into the deep socket. Has anyone > >found a better way to do this. > No personal experience. I replaced the front spring-bushes on my 109 - in the street. details are available at: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/lucas/bushes.html hope this helps. ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses. ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:30:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Can of Worms Just three days ago I bought my first landrover so here is my contribution to the series- lr database. sallbaag2aa145375,1981,III,88,nonesofar,green,Oosterhout,Holland,dr,unk,Pennings@kfih.azr.nl,lro- net,still in the proces listing the necessary repairs Good Rovering, Huub ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Report from Portland Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 01:02:11 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us> Gene Sparks wrote: > For those of you that did not attend, this is just a brief overview of the > ABFM in Portland. ROVERS, ROVERS, ROVERS. There were about 50 rovers in > attendance with a pleasant variety. Mostly series vehicles in all flavors > and in all states of repair, with a nice spattering of D90's, Discos and > Range Rovers. Actually Gene you undercounted by a bit. Between 1pm and 2pm on Saturday I walked around and counted (it would have been faster, but I kept on being distracted by conversations with LROs). No Rovers left while I was counting. A total of 93 Land Rovers (and 2 Rover cars) were present. Of these, 3 (1 SIIA 88, 1 SIIA 109 and 1 Range Rover Classic) stayed at the Land Rover camp site (a few hundred yards from the show area) and 12 were in the parking lot (6 Range Rover Classics, 1 D90 Station Wagon, 4 Discos and 1 SII 109 Station Wagon). So the breakdown of total Rovers on site were: Overview: Series I 2 Series II 5 Series IIA 37 Series III 4 Defender 13 Range Rover Classic 14 Range Rover, mk2 2 Discovery 16 ==== 93 Details Series I 80" 1 Series I 86" 0 Series I 107" 0 Series I 88" 1 Series I 109" 0 Series II 88" 2 Series II 109" 3 door 2 (one is being converted to a Dormobile) Series II 109" 5-door 1 Series IIA 88" 15 Series IIA 109" 3 door 4 Series IIA 109" 5-door 16 (6 are Dormobiles) Series IIA 88" coiler 2 (one is custom built and other has Range Rover rolling chassis) Series III 88" 1 Series III 109" 3 door 1 Series III 109" 5-door 0 Series III 109 V8 5-door 1 aka "Stage One" Series III Lightweight 1 '93 Defender 110 1 '94/5 Defender 90 8 '95 Defender 90 Stn Wgn 4 Range Rover Classic 2door 1 Range Rover Classic 4door 13 Range Rover, mk 2 2 Discovery 16 ==== 93 Rover by year overview: 1950-9 4 1960-9 36 1970-9 7 1980-9 5 \__ 1 1990-9 40 / ==== 93 Rovers by year: 1951 1 1952-1956 none 1957 1 1958 0 1959 2 1960 2 1961 0 1962 3 1963 3 1964 4 1965 1 1966 4 1967 11 1968 1 1969 3 1970 2 1971 2 1972 0 1973 1 1974 1 1975-1980 none 1981 1 1982 0 1983 1 1984-1986 none 1987 1 1988 1 1989 1 1990 2 1991 1 1992 1 1993 3 1994 6 1995 15 1996 12 Non year specific: 1971-1974 SIII 1 1962-1968 SIIA 4 1987-1996 RR classic 1 Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: new Series I book Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 01:45:09 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us> _Origional Land-Rover Series I: The Restorer's Guide to all civil and military models 1948-1958_ by James Taylor, Bay View Books, Devon, UK, copyright 1996. ISBN 1 870979 72 9. 128pp lots of color photos. Hard cover. I found this in a bookstore in Portland and read it on the plane ride back. Lots and lots of Series I details. I'd recommend it to anyone restoring a Series I. Cover price is L 19.95 and I paid ~$35. Ben ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960903 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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