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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:23:17 +0200
From: Defender@belgonet.be (Luc Rokegem)
Subject: RE: 110 Fuel tank Question

You wrote :

The protection plate IS original.  I have laying here a brand new one
(just in case) and it looks that you can remove the plate, there are no
weldings (it is just bolted together)  and there is some space between
the tank and the plate. 
I think that with time there comes water and dirt between the tank and 
the plate and it then starts rusting. Maybe you could try to hang the 
tank upside down just by the protection plate, fill the thank with 
water and try to separate them by using a soft hamer and some wood.
The weight of the water wil help you break the rust (just an idea)
Otherwise I think that a aftermarket fueltank is not that expencive and
get it waxoiled before fitting.

regards,

Luc Rokegem  
 

            _______________    Luc Rokegem
           //   |          |   St-Pauwels (Belgie)
    ______//_ _ |          |#  defender@belgonet.be
    |   __            __   |#  http://www.belgonet.be/~bn000165/index.html
    |__/  \__________/  \__|  
       \__/          \__/      lawyers and Land-Rovers must be well greased

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:14:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Cat under the D90 Bonnet!

I like cats, OK. No, really! I hav three in the yard I feed and one in the
house, soon to be banished for marking 'his' territory. The one in the house
wasn't my idea. Get daughter a cat, wife sez. OK. Declaw and neuter him, wife
sez. Fine, whatever. Now he can never go outside. I dont think so! Out he
goes.

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Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:13:45 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Plastic dash sill SIII

Does anyone have experience of recovering the SIII dash sill panel with
new plastic - both of mine are cracked, revealing the gorgonzola
underneath. Any suggestions for suitable materials, which will pull
easily over the dismantled sill panel, and stand a few years wear and
tear - especially tear - welcome.

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: When IS the British Invasion??

On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 PDoncaster@aol.com wrote:

> When IS the British Invasion??

	September 21 (though there is stuff going on the day before and
	after) is the main day.

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Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:39:13 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: SIII brake vacuum

Does anyone have experience of replacing the vacuum feed to a series III
brake-servo with a vacuum-pump? My 88" is modified so that there is an
extra drive belt from the fan, driving a vacuum pump. It has worked well
since conversion, but now the red brake vacuum-servo warning light has
started to light all the time. Removing the hose from the servo
reservoir to the pump (reservoir end) reveals that the pump is sucking
well. There does not seem to be any loss of vacuum due to bad seals, and
the brakes work as normal. Is this another Lucas production? or what?
ideas please!

-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 09:47:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>

To all,
        Sunday Sept. 8 is the Palo Alto British Car show. The park is
located across the street from the Stanford shoppong mall. The more Rovers
the better.
        Rover On,
                Blair
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover
1973 S III 88
1967 FLH HD

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:55:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Plastic dash sill SIII

Adrian;
     Although the dash tops on both my Rovers are perfect, I would get a copy
of Hemmings Motor News...I have seen a few ads in there for places that take
old dash tops and recover them using a vaccuum process.
     Thats what I would look into if I had a similar problem
Hope that helps..maybe someone out there has used a process like this
already..
Rgds
Steve Bradke       72 S lll 88 ( for sale )
WA2GMC           68 S lla 88
                          96 Discovery SE-7

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:36:07 -0400
Subject: Rover virgin seeking advice

I just read this on the Rovernet, which is for the 2WD kind, and thought I'd
post this to LRO so he could avail himself of our helpfulness and generosity.

****
Subj:  [Rovernet] Rover Virgin seeking advice
Date:  Sun, Sep 1, 1996 9:04 AM EDT
From:  rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
X-From: jasperm@iquest.net (Mike Jasper)
Reply-to: rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu

I hope this is appropriate for this list.  If not please accept my 
apologies.

I am in the process of deciding what will replace my 1988 Jeep Cherokee 
Larado.  I do not want an Automatic transmission so I am locked out of 
the Grand Cherokee line due to the fact that it is simply not made with a 
5 speed.  I can build up a Sport but it appears to me that I will still 
not be able to get the features I want.  

This has lead me to look for better choices and have found the Discovery 
would be something I could be happy owning.  Yesterday a paid a visit to 
my local dealer and they are steering towards a used 1996 Discovery SE7 
they have.  It appears to be in generally good shape w/about 7,500 miles 
on it.  It has the black paint but other than that it did not seem to 
have anything additional to the package.  The dealer has indicated that 
their offer of $32,900 is a steal for the vehicle and if it were new 
obviously that would probably be the case but I would have thought a 
value of more like $29,000 would have been appropriate.  

I really did like the front and back A/C and my wife likes having the 
sunroofs but other than that I think I would be perfectly happy with the 
basic Discovery.  

Am I stupid?!

I like to be the only owner of my vehicles.  The Jeep has about 150,000 
miles on it and has served me very well but after driving and looking at 
the Discovery it does clearly seem to be a superior vehicle.  I would be 
interested in anyones feedback on the value of the offer from my dealer 
and also feedback on the reliability and maintenance costs and ease of 
the vehicle.  I want to be able to go where I want when I want without 
being held back by weather or terrain withing reason but living in 
Indianapolis I don't think this is as big an issue as Wyoming but I may 
want to live there someday too.

Thank you for your time.

Mike  
******
Seems like he's on the right track, eh?!?
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
Woodstock, GA

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:48:40 -0400
Subject: cats and land rovers

Sorry, all, about those few lines getting out sans LR content. The cat in
question has been banished, and has now taken up residence where the engine
was in the parts S3. There! now some LR content!!
Cheers!!
John in Woodstock

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:57:56 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: What's in a name

> GM's choice for their all-electric car - the "Impact".  Why not call it 
> something really catchy like "flaming-head-on-wreck?"  Cheers

"Impact" was the pre-production name for what ended up being called, 
simply, "EV1".  Which of course is still better than Chevy's "Nova" which 
is spanish for "doesn't go".

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 20:06:20 UT
From: "Trevor Talbot" <fc101@msn.com>
Subject: Oil Filters

Ned

 I think you will find that you still have an old seal still in the groove & 
that is why you can't get the new seal to stay in place, and also  why there 
is no leak. To get the old seal out use two small screwdrivers,push one up 
into the seal to stop it from moving ,push the other one into the seal about 
three inches away and push towards the first screwdriver and this should 
stretch the seal enough to lift it out . I had this same problem with my first 
LR. Dont forget the seal has been in compression for qiute a time and gets 
very hard and when you prod it there is no give in it and you think thats the 
bottom of the groove.The groove is quite deep actualy. When you put the new 
seal in the groove make sure its not twisted. Hope this is of some help.

Trevor

101 FC GS
Series 2a SWB
Series 1 SWB

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 14:00:50 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: T-shirts

> 1. A design must be chosen by vote.

I think I like the first one on your(?) page, and the globe one.  

> 2. Means of distribution must be decided (iron-on, local shirt print 

If we go central production, I can handle the distribution for western N. 
America.  (I'm in San Francisco.)

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 14:00:53 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Trevor's Flame Fodder

> Trevor Easton has shared with us his observations on a new 4x4, the Toy

> machines.  I hope that our list is like a big tent and able to include
> diverse interests.

I agree, though in this specific case, my interest comes less from the 
4x4-ness of the RAV4 than from the rumour that Toy Otter may introduce it 
as an electric vehicle soon...

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:00:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Trevor's Flame Fodder

>>Toy Otter may introduce it as an electric vehicle soon...

It'll take a pretty long extension cord to get into the woods with one of
*those*. Pity they don't have an ARB locker to coil it up in!?! ;-)
Cheers!!
John Dillingham

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:03:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Can of Worms

Here are some Rovers for your database.
25900502A, 72, III, 88, noname, bronze green, Woodstock, GA, USA, PC, unk,
Solihull@AOL.Com, lro-net, my parts truck, still capable of being registered
(i.e. I still have the number plates)
25902676B, 73, III, 88, unnamed as yet, limestone(Eastnor green, soon),
Woodstock,  GA USA,DD now UR(engine rebuild/replace)Baker Auto Sales,
Atlanta, Solihul@AOL.Com, lro-net, came with three spare tire mounts,
tropical roof. Engine block made of silliputtium.
25902671B, 73, III, 88, unk, marine blue, Marietta, GA, USA, DR, Baker Auto
Sales, Atlanta, Houzley family, used mostly during hunting season in S GA. I
did some work on it last winter. Family also owns 93 D110, one of the five
hundred.
25902656B, 73, III, 88, unk, bronze green, Lilburn, GA, USA, PC, Baker Auto
Sales, Atlanta, wrecked head on, one ton Ford dually. Minimal frame damage,
Winch took most of the hit, Body destroyed from bulkhead forward.

Hope this helps. Didn't I ask you before, are you in or near Atlanta?How do
you like mindspring? Call me if you like.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 
73 s3 SWB
72 s3 SWB rusted parts truck, mostly picked over
66 s2a SWB soft top "Red Rover" gone home to new england
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service
"Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!"
 

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:02:49 -0400
Subject: Re: How to diagnose overheating problems...

Dave 'not very well grounded' Bobeck observes:

>I touched ti back to the steering column, et
>voila! One overheating problem diagnosed and cured in one fell swoop. With
all 
>due respect to Joe Lucas, so far every problm I've had getting this thing
going 
>has been due to Lack Of Ground...I'll have to remeber that next time before 
>performing the "battery" of tests...

Been there, Done that, Got the Tee Shirt(black, sez something about Lucas,
warm beer, Etc.)!!
Cheers!!

John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 
73 s3 SWB
72 s3 SWB rusted parts truck, mostly picked over
66 s2a SWB soft top "Red Rover" back home in New England
Vintage Rover Service
"Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!"

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:46:38 +1100
From: m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miroslav Belik)
Subject: About the Breaks

Hello againn LRO's.

Recently I have had many question and all of them have been very well
answered (AS I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT I ASKED FOR) so here
comes another question. Whilst having my gearbox repaired I decided to have
a look at the breaks. Well as soon as I removed the back drum I knew that
there was trouble. The backing plate had a huge hole in it and the whole
thing was rusted. The spring popped out at me when I pulled the shoes off
and one was broken. (Its a wonder the car stopped at all!!). Anyway I pulled
everything off and decided to have the drums machined and to get new springs
and shoes.

A few weeks later I come back with a backing plate, new shoes, machined
drums and new springs. BUT, when I try to put the things back together they
don't seem to sit properly. The LR is a series 3 stage 1 and I think that I
might be putting the springs on incorectly onto the shoes. There are 3 holes
at the bottom of the shoe and 2 up the top. When I put the springs on to the
holes that make the springs strech the least the shoes fall off, when I put
them onto the next set of holes, the shoes are sprung too tight and ptotrude
outwards. WHAT am I doing wrong.

Thanks for the help in advance.
Mirek
Miroslav Belik                    Email: M.Belik@UWS.EDU.AU        
UWS, Macarthur               Phone: 018-028-708 or 61 2 823 9445
P.O. Box 555                     FAX:   61 46 203025              
Campbelltown, 2560                                                             
NSW      
Australia.
         

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:07:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Tailgate for trade

Does anyone have a deluxe bonnet with dished centre they want to trade 
for a tailgate.  The tailgate is in good condition and is Land Rover 
(light) green.  It was painted three years ago and used about one month 
since then.  
For the person wondering about ordering springs from overseas, I just 
ordered a complete front set with all the stuff from Merseyside which is 
now called LR Supermarket.  I am very pleased with their service.  I 
received a FAX conformation within three hours of my phone call to them, 
and within eight hours I received a second FAX with the flight numbers, 
days and times of arrival in Canada.  The price was very good.  All the 
parts necessary to do the replacement on both sides including chassis 
bushes came to 182 pounds delivered in Canada.  Shipping was 115 pounds.  
Each spring was 24.890.  I don't understand the 3 place decimal but maybe 
that is how they show shillings or something.  "U" bolts were 2.250 and 
shackle pins were .842 for example.  I could have had door to door 
service for an extra 40 pounds, but the International airport at Winnipeg 
is only about 30 miles form here so I chose that route and besides it 
allowed me to do my own clearing with the import office of the Federal 
Govt which I thinks saves a bit more.  
Besides the dished bonnet, I am looking for the wire screens for over the 
lights and a used OD if someone has one for sale or trade.  I have lots 
of Diesel, Ser II, and IIA parts for trade.  I think the people who have 
dealt with me will tell you the parts I sell or trade are like new or if 
they have some blemish, I will tell you before you put your money down. 
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:13:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: database (Hand Throttles)

I think Dave is right about the hand throttles being near standard on 
petrol models brought into Canada.  Seven of my 8 Land Rovers had one.  
Strangely enough my present one doesn't have one.  I think on this one, a 
very late IIA that has lots of Ser III on it except the padded dash, the 
bit they did pad and because they installed a very large heater, there 
wasn't room for the throtle so they left it off.  
I am about to do the chassis bushes on my 88.  I suspect I will use a 
threaded rod with a nut on the back and a deep socket on the front and 
using another nut, draw the bush out into the deep socket.  Has anyone 
found a better way to do this.  I see in the LRO Magazine, back page, 
Bearmach sells a sliding hammer with their composite bushes to do the 
job.  Has anyone tried this method?

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:18:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Tailgate for trade

P.S.  My price for the springs delivered in Canada at 182 pounds included 
the 115 pounds shipping, so in Canadian dollars, the springs only cost 
$48.00.  I wish we could buy them that cheap on this side of the pond!  
Also when I was talking to the shipper at Canadian Airlines 
International, he told me that every week he ships lighting parts from 
Winnipeg to Land Rover for Range Rovers.  The only company I know in 
Winnipeg large enough to have a contract with England might be Carter 
Temro, a company that also makes interior car warmers and the like.  Does 
anyone know anything about the Canadian connection to Range Rover in England?
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:56:44 GMT
Subject: Models
From: wleacock@usa.pipeline.com (William L. Leacock)

Note new address. 
 
During a recent UK trip I added the following to my model collection : 
 matchbox 1/62 scale RR 6x4 Carmicheal Commando, Police. 
Solido, 109 with trailer, yellow, forestry patrol N0 3134. ( 57 French
Francs) 
Brtains, 90 White, UN task force with action figures, No 7608 ( 6 pounds
sterling.) 
Used matchbox 90's Red Arrows, Park Ranger and Zebra stripes. 
 Corgi 110 1/64 scale green hard top with white roof 
 And from Canada last week a majorette 90, plain white with red roof light
bar ( sim to NASA version less the decals ) 
 
 Regards  Bill leacock   Limey in exile

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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 19:41:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christian Neuhaus Wiese <chnw@amauta.rcp.net.pe>
Subject: New Suscriber.

I' will be glad if any one can help me to enter into a "Land Rover "
Interest List .

I have a Discovery TDI 200.

Christian Neuhaus Wiese.
chnw@amauta.rcp.net.pe
Lima - Peru.
Christian

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From: slade@sisna.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:02:47 -0700
Subject: 50th Anniversary When????

Hey,

I was talking to a few people this weekend at the Portland All British
Field Meet about the 50th anniversary of the LR Marque.

So, the big question is, 'When is it?', and how, if you can, do you
determine when a marque is created.

Just wondering if I want to attend Billing next year, or in 2.  I'm sure
they'll have a HUGE (bigger than normal) event and I would like to be a
part of it.

Thanks,

Michael Slade
'70 109 Series IIG Station Wagon
Portland, OR
slade@sisna.com

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Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 23:56:40 -0400
From: myk <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers

>>My LR has a hand throttle that was put on by the PO to accompany
>>the snorkel.

>Sorry for the stupid question, but whats a PO and a snorkel?

NEVER a stupid question!
PO = Previous Owner
Snorkel = An air filter relocation device.  It raises the air filter to keep
it out of water,  also for extremely dusty conditions.  Typically across the
bonnet/wing and up the edge of wind screen to the roof.  Wish I had one.

Mike Johnson

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezabel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 00:27:44 -0500
From: Don Scott Wallace <swallace@flash.net>
Subject: Reliability information on 1991 to 1993 Range Rover County

Thanks for your time.

I was told this was the forum to ask my questions.

Please send replies to me directly:

my first questions follow:

I am considering the purchase of a 1991 to 1993 Range Rover County but,
I have yet to find any substantial information on the auto.  As this
will be my daily driver, I need to know if there are any nagging
problems (electrical or mech.) with the vehicle.  

In other words "whats the dirt?"

I've heard that the Lucas electrical system was put into the auto up to
some year (which yr. I'm not sure) and could be a problem.  (true/false
& which yr.)

I also need to know what the vehicle and engine's life expectancy
is.

What type of work I can do myself (alternator, water pump) or is it best
left to professionals.

Can some or many of the auto’s parts be switched out with American part
from a local parts house?

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

:-)

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From: Patrick Townsend <patrick.townsend@bristol.ac.uk>
Subject: LR Series 1 for Sale. Dorset UK
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:18:23 +0100 ()

Seen yesterday as I passed through Dorset.

1955 Series 1. UKP3750 ono. Extensively rebuilt with wader kit, big chunky 
tyres, bucket(ish) seats, canvas, petrol 2.5l (35k), roll cage, Salisbury 
real axle(?).

It is no way an original restoration, but looks fun and well rebuilt with 
TLC.

Location: on display by roundabout in Dorchester on the Dorchester - Wareham 
road, Dorset. UK. I imagine it's a private sale.

There was no telephone number and I don't live nearby, so if you can't get 
there yourself ... tough.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Patrick (JC) Townsend   WFWG,WinNT,Mac, Network support | Dept of Physics|
|patrick.townsend@bris.ac.uk   Tel: 0117-928-9000 x8936  | Bristol Uni. UK|
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:40:14 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: U-joints in phase....

Allan Smith asked:

> Are there any implications for "between-shaft" phase, i.e. of concern in Niva
> and Defender full-time 4WD?
> If a single propshaft is set up properly with the ends in phase, is the second
> shaft set up independently or should it match the other (i.e. the "view from
> the top" check described in one of the posts)?

With a full time 4WD set up, the centre differential takes care of this. Even if 
you started off with the front and rear propshafts aligned, the diff would allow 
them to rotate at slightly different velocities. Part time 4WD, though, would 
only be used off road, so the loose surface becomes your differential.

-- 
David Olley
...............................................................
New Concept
PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
...............................................................

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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:40:28 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: The head came off!

Brute force always wins!

Oil on top of the pistons probably just indicates very worn valve guides. When 
you get the head down to the machine shop, have it worked thoroughly - surface 
skimmed, exhaust seats milled and fitted with hard inserts (then you can run on 
unleaded) and new guides and valves fitted. You will then find that your engine 
will run like never before - and no clouds of smoke on start up. Cost is well 
worth it, and you will lose a lot less oil.

By the way, when replacing the head, do not use the copper gasket. Use the later 
"non retorque" type (fibre faced). These do not require retorquing after 
running, and are not prone to sticking. Under no circumstances use any compound 
or oil on the faces when fitting.

-- 
David Olley
...............................................................
New Concept
PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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