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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:19:48 -0400
Subject: hydraulic  wlnch

help! i still can not get the winch to rotate. the engagement lever along the
chassis engages the drum freely, the cables that go to the p.t.o. pump and
the control valve box also are free. the drum itself does not freespool as an
electric winch would, so i think it might be frozen. any ideas? i tried
p.b.blaster on brake collar and backed off the 2 pads, and tapping so it does
move back and forth albiet not aesily. brian cotton i believe in rsa has a
similar winch, maybe you might be able to help. thanks in advance...d.b.  

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:21:11 -0400
From: LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Comments...

>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:41:41 +0100
>To: lroshop@idirect.com
>Cc: dkenner@emrl.nrcan.gc.ca
>MMDF-Warning:  Unable to confirm address in preceding line at
mail-1.mail.demon.net
>From: Land Rover Owner magazine <lro@maxcom.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Comments...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
>Carl Rodgerson, editor
>Land Rover Owner magazine

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:36:35 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Comments...

At 07:21 96-08-28 -0400, you wrote:
>>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:41:41 +0100
>>To: lroshop@idirect.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 29 lines)]
>>Carl Rodgerson, editor
>>Land Rover Owner magazine

Hmmm, yes, I see. I understand your point. It is very clear. 

Could you repost that "comments" info please since it seems that the
lro-lite ate 29 lines out of it...

Thanks, 
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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From: krm@mtnms.att.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 07:59:51 EDT
Subject: Rear Brake question on a 1971 88

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:51:24 +0200
From: Christophe Girardey <girardey@montrouge.ts.slb.com>
Subject: Re: French Members

Hi all!

Like some of us, I don't know where are the french 
rovers, probably not over the Internet, but here I 
am. 

Bonjour à tous les francophones.
Good rovering to the others...

Bye.
--
Christophe GIRARDEY ( Le Mée - France )
'92 Discovery with 200 TDi engine
Software Developper (Free-lance)
Internet   : girardey@montrouge.ts.slb.com
Compuserve : 100600.2265@compuserve.com

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From: Darrell.Fremont@uni.edu
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:08:25 -0600 (cst)
Subject: Re: Rear Brake question reply

     rovers north has an excellent instruction sheet you can get from thier 
     web site. http://www.roversnorth.com  when i did my brakes, one 
     replacement did not have the pin. was not too difficult to remove from 
     old brake and spot weld on new one. good luck
     darrell.fremont@uni.edu
     73 88 sw "peggy"

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From: Darrell.Fremont@uni.edu
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:26:05 -0600 (cst)
Subject: Re: Can of Worms input

     2590170B,1973,88,peggy,rovergreen,iowa,usa,dd,unk,
     darrell.fremont@uni.edu;http://www.uni.edu/cet/STAFF/Fremont,
     lro-net,working on a ground up restoration;added a canvas top for the 
     summer months;second owner since 1995;found vehicle in south dakota
     
     i will try to get information for the database as i know of 12 more 
     series vehicles in iowa.
     
     keep us posted on your results
     
     darrell

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:40:14 -0400 (CST)
From: rotero@huillinco.ing.puc.cl (Rodrigo  Otero)
Subject: Re: hydraulic  wlnch

Hi:
I  have a similar winch and I got it to work.
Not to much power  but at least it goes on both directions.
It does not  frespool as you say. so  I am thinking of disasembling it and
search for rusted parts etc.
If you have any progress E- Mail me. We might run into  similar probles and
similar solutions

Regards,
Rodrigo Otero
164 SIIA 109

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 10:15:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Land Rover Diesel (Gearbox incompatibility)

>SIII gearboxes are not directly interchangeable with SIIA boxes. The clutch
>operating mechanism is completely different and incompatible. 

...snip...

> The alternative .... swap in the entire
>SIII box with bellhousing and clutch mechanism, then reroute the clutch line
>to the other side and fabricate brackets as needed. ....

Hello people! I don't nkow why this is so uncommon. All that is required is the 
SIII slave cylinder and a line to reac it form the flex hose. The next step is 
to cut away the gusseting to the engine crossmember, as this will be in the way.
Definitely alot easier than retrofitting a 'box with a different bellhousing. 
There wouldn't be any fabrication required, the only thing I can think of is 
removing two bolts from the top of the flywheel housing to add a clip for the 
clutch pipe. The SIII slave goes right into the bellhousing, so no brackets 
required. Than you can get rid of that ungodly SIIa setup...
 BTW- The cutting you have to do on the frame is alot easier if you have Bill 
Adams around...:-)

Cheers

Dave 
Don't sweat the petty things...
Dont pet the...uh...never mind.

Considering the apparent non-running status of this vehicle, and the
incompatibility of some of the potential drivetrain, I'd regard this as a
project rather than a soon to be daily driver. But then I'm pesimistic (by
experience).

David Cockey
Rochester, MI 48306

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:25:09 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: JPEG of hub/swivel

Who wanted the JPEGs of the hub/swivel?  I wrote down lodelane@aol.com but
forgot the other address -- in South Africa, I think?  Email me your address
and I'll send this off to you.

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 10:46:56 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: IT LIVES!!!!!!!!!!

I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!!!

Well, its true. After several hours of fussing and trying different connections 
and swapping batteries and buying solenoids, I finally got my engine started 
again. After exactly four months (April 27th), the Green Car finally moved under
it's own power. 
The first time, it started, ran like crap, and then a big blast of fire came out
of the carb and then it died. Cool!!! I went ahead and set the timing (duh) and 
she started easy and ran *a little* better. The exhaust was clean and she ran 
smooth and quiet, once the oil pressure came up. 
I hopped into the driver's seat, gingerly crashed the rebuilt gearbox into 
reverse and slowly eased off the clutch and backed her out of the garage. Well 
actually, something happened and I sort of lurched out, nearly removing the 
regulator from our air compressor. I drove forward in first and tried again. 
This time we went striaght out into the driveway, where I let the rest of the 
smoke (assuming it was from various substances I had sprayed on the manifolds 
and pipes and block and head..) burn off and dissipate. After that I waited 
another few minutes for the garage to clear out, and all was well. Then it 
stalled. I simply reconnected the jumper cable from the negative battery 
terminal to the starter ground cable (that's why it wouldn't start) and she 
fired right up. 

She was overheating though so I shut her off. There was a bit of antifreeze 
coming out of the front of the head...ugh. I shut it off and sure enough the 
head needed retorquing. 

Head retorqued and plugs out I turned the engine over with the valve cover off 
to see if my rockers were oiling, and they seemed to be doing a fine job, better
than I remebered. I topped off the rad and went home.

Tonight I'll get the carb and accelerator linkage squared away and hopefully 
find out what's going on with the head. It'd be a shame if they skimmed the head
just so that I could end up skimming the block too...

Cheers

Dave B.
Arlington VA

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 10:39:22 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Land Rover Diesel (Gearbox incompatibility)

As an addendum to Dave's sage advice, I would do the sawing of the 
crossmember gusset with the gearbox OUT of the truck.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Santana Motor Swaps?

I was reading the Nov 95 issue of LROI and
noticed the article on Santanas.  It sounds
like the six cylinder diesel is pretty much
an extended 4cyl diesel and shares the same
pistons, rods, valves etc.  If so, it would
seem to be the prefect swap into a 6cyl
LR with its 93hp.  Their 2.25l turbo
diesel sounds pretty interesting as well...
Actually, the Santanas sounded pretty much
like a lovely mix of old and new LR tech.
It also mentioned leaf sprung disc brake
models in the 1980s.  Perhaps here could
be a source for the elusive stop on a 
dime series land rover.

Didn't Santana import into Mexico?

Clinton "Christmas in Tijuana" Coates

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:57:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Series Database

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, John P. Casteel wrote:

> I have deduced from this sample that all Series Land Rovers are in the 
> USA and that 75% are daily drivers.  The other 25% are drivable.  The 
> most popular color is Light Green.  Finally, half of all Series Land 
> Rovers are in Arizona.

	<sigh>  Lets see, I have twelve Land rovers...  Can we count partial
	vehicles?

	II    -  2
	IIA   -  8
        III   -  2
	
	88"   -  6 (2 x pu, 3 x ht, 1 x sw)
	109"  -  6 (3 x PU, 3 x sw)

	So 75% of all Series vehicles are in Canada (which we always believed)
	We won't discuss which have MOT's :-)
	Colours?  Blue = 2, Sand = 2, Red = 1, lgreen = 2, black = 1, 
		  dgreen = 4 (one with purple underneath)

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Jacob's

Rich,
     I had the Engergy Team by Jacobs in my Chevy p/u and was VERY pleased
with it!  Seat of the pants improvement was notable.  Traded in the Chevy
for a RR, and can't get the Jacobs to work with the system!  They make a
product that looks like it would be perfect for Series owners, it's called
the Power pack or some such thing.  It goes between the coil and
distributor and looks like a replacement coil.  Apparently, it's a beefed
up coil and computer that optimizes spark to each cylinder in one unit!
     Rich!  Just found the article!  It's called the Omni-Pack, and was in
the September 1994 Issue of Four Wheeler magazine, on page 98!  The
installed the unit on their 1946 Jeeo which had a 1960 era 4-banger.  They
found the improvements dramatic!

The company has always offered tech support if needed(usually not), and I
think you would find improvement on a Series truck!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:03:46 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: weird 16" wheels

Hello all, 

Just a question for the experts out there.

I have 16" rims on Rudolph that came off my 68' 109 SW Nada. I would like to
know the diameter of the rim and the offset, since I am about to change
tires (is Trac Edge a good choice?) The part number on the rim reads
FV607510 and the year: /68 .

I can't find that number anywhere in the parts catalog. I would like to buy
another rim just like it, cos I only have 4 of them, the PO chucked out the
spare.

Was this rim available only on the 6-cyl Nada's?

Thanks for the replys, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:16:31 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: IT LIVES!!!!!!!!!!

Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!!!

Congrats Dave

I know the feeling and its great.

-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Comments...

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Michel Bertrand wrote:

> Could you repost that "comments" info please since it seems that the
> lro-lite ate 29 lines out of it...

	The message was a crosspost to one sent to me from Rogerson at
	LRO magazine.  I have been having an enjoyable time pointing
	out items that could be done to further improve the magazine.
	Generally they have gone into a bit of a black hole, but I seem
	to have touched a nerve when I compared, IMHO, LRW's clubs
	coverage with that in LRO.  Of course, he thinks that LRO
	is more worldly by ignoring activities outside the UK, while LRW
	is more parochial by including them.  

	Since it can bee seen that this message from Rogerson has been
	directed at a wider audience, I would invite anyone to send a 
	message to either Rogerson at lro@maxcom.demon.co.uk, or to their
	internet-aware arm at lroshop@idirect.com, that states what you
	think of LRO's extensive <sic> coverage of activities outside
	of the UK.  You think LRO has too much coverage of Series vehicles?
	Too little?  Too much coverage of activities and events outside
	England or too little?  To much on adding superchargers to the 4.6HSE
	and not enough on why your three year old vehicle is rusting away
	as fast as a late Series III frame?

	The chap is inviting comments, fire away at him.  Put what vehicle
	you own at the bottom of the message and if you are associated
	with any club.  Seems he could use some enlightenment.  This could
	be the chance to tell him that there are Land Rovers outside the UK.
	More Australia/Canada/South Africa/USA coverage would be nice...

	Rgds

	Dixon

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:41:41 +0100
Cc: dkenner@emr1.nrcan.gc.ca
From: Land Rover Owner magazine <lro@maxcom.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Comments...

With regard to the email of 12 Aug forwarded to us...

There is just one point I would like to comment on regarding criticism
of Land Rover Owner International, and that is on the subject of clubs
coverage.

It's a difficult one to get over to club enthusiasts, but the club scene
is still very much a minority activity for the bulk of our readers.

While I accept it may be different in the States and Canada, it's a case
that expanding the club coverage means something else has to be knocked
out that, I believe, appeals to a greater number of readers. Remember,
pages devoted to clubs with, say, 500 members in total means a feature
which would apply to 50,000 has to be thrown out or reduced.

The falling sales of Land Rover World suggest that greater club coverage
does not satisfy the bulk of the readers.

Land Rover Owner International carries far more club coverage than ever
before, and much better than LRW, which is more parochial.

The best approach, I feel, is to have a whole magazine that has a
'clubby' feel which appeals to other members rather than specific pages
which appeal to just a few.

However, I am considering how to include the list of overseas clubs.
I hope this helps to explain the policy of LRO should you be asked.

-- 
Carl Rodgerson, editor
Land Rover Owner magazine

==========================================================================

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 28 Aug 96 09:23:41 MST
Subject: Broke something in the rear diff!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Hello all you Rover lovers! At the risk of stirring up the ghost of
Lucas in all YOUR Rovers, I need to share with you about something that
happened this morning. I was on my way to work, and gently let out the
clutch at a green light, when from the rear diff I heard a bang, then a
slight grinding sound. Yup! The rear end is not doing it's thing. I
locked in the front hubs and completed the 1/2 mile remaining drive to
work under front wheel drive. The grinding is not really that loud, but
it is noticeable. Not able to hear it over the engine noise, to give you
an idea how loud. I thought it was a broken U-joint, and the grinding
sound was the drive shaft (propshaft) hitting the ground. (Been there,
done that!) But that's not the case this time.

My questions are:

1.) Is it most likely an axle? Or spiders, or diff gear. I REALLY was
letting out the clutch nice and gentle, not like some other times when
I've abused the beast.

2.) Can or should I drive approx 11 miles home before pulling the axles,
opening up the diff? I have ONLY a screwdriver with me. (Either sheer
stupidity, of overconfidence in the 109?) Since the RR is down with a
warped cylinder head, this is (was) my only other running and licensed
vehicle.

At this point, question #1 is not all that important, I'll find out
sooner or later. It's question #2 that I'm really concerned about.

Thanks, Dave (having a spell of roveritus lately - but I don't think
it's contagious) Brown.

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 12:42:32 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Broke something in the rear diff!

You broke a half shaft, you broke a half shaft, nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!
A quick call to RN will cure yer ills. Get out the checkbook!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:10:57 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Broke something in the rear diff!

At 12:42 PM 28/08/96 -0400, Adams, Bill, wrote

>You broke a half shaft, you broke a half shaft, nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!
>A quick call to RN will cure yer ills. Get out the checkbook!

You know, from the number of times this happens to people I think I'll lash
a couple (I have 4 spares) under the frame with duct tape.  If they're there
permanently that will guarantee I will never need them. (I hope)

                                                         Rick Grant

Cobra Media Communications, Calgary Canada
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/cobracom
rgrant@cadvision.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Land Rover Diesel (Gearbox incompatibility)

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> clutch pipe. The SIII slave goes right into the bellhousing, so no brackets 
> required. Than you can get rid of that ungodly SIIa setup...
>.
	We don't need no release bearings, the box seems to be less prone
	to failure, and rebuilt units are cheaper that the godly III setup...
	:-)

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:40:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: LR Database

For the database, does daily driver mean that it's actually used as a
primary vehicle, or just capable of such?  My IIa is in real good shape, but
I've got  a modern car (don't worry, its English) in which I do my 50 mile
RT commute.  The IIa handles the commute in stride when one of the other
vehicles is sick (it's a liitle warm in August, though).  Some of the
vehicles I read about on this list sound, well, marginal for daily duty.

Is mine a dd or a dr?  I want this to be right, you know.

Scott Fugate

1970 IIa 88
1989 RR
1988 Jag XJ6

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 28 Aug 96 10:36:59 MST
Subject: "Pop goes the axle."

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Please bear with me as I have a little fun with my apparent broken axle...

Sung to the tune of "Pop goes the weasel."

  A round and round the axles do go,
  they barely move the Rover,
  and then one day you least expect it,
  Pop goes the axle!

Dave (making the best of a less than ideal situation) Brown

(Well, if ya can't laugh at misfortune you truly are a miserable sod!)

;-) keep on rovering...

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:44:56 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Santana Motor Swaps?

Clinton talked about some really neat Santana stuff and then asked:

>Didn't Santana import into Mexico?

I doubt it.  From what I've heard, there are precious few Land-Rovers of any
kind in Mexico (and I've always wondered why as it seems like prime terrain
for 'em).

Lots of Santanas in Central America and the Carribean, though.

Granny

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:22:28 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: LR Database

Good Question,

I view a dd as a vehicle capable of such.  A drivable vehicle is one 
that you drive but not usually very far from home or the closest 
lr repair shop.

As they say, use your best judgement.  I don't know what this category 
will show other than which cars are destroyed.  There are probably some 
parts cars that are occassionally driven.

Thanks,

jc

M Scott Fugate wrote:
> For the database, does daily driver mean that it's actually used as a
> primary vehicle, or just capable of such?  My IIa is in real good shape, but
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> 1970 IIa 88
> 1989 RR
> 1988 Jag XJ6

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Trip

I`m getting the Rover ready to drive from Seattle to Portland Oregon.  The
"Beastie" is still stock in all respects except for a Zenith carb installed
a few months ago, even the fuel pump is 27 years old.  I was just wondering,
I know there is a land-rover song, but is there a land-rover prayer?
Going to the Portland British auto show...maybe
John Cooper 1969 11a 

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:31:30 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Santana Motor Swaps?

Were there any Santanas imported into New Mexico?  <g>

On a more serious note.  Does Santana still build vehicles such as 
Defenders?  Are they still in business?

jc "Glad the Olympics are gone but I miss the visitors and excitement."

>Didn't Santana import into Mexico?

>> Lots of Santanas in Central America and the Carribean, though.
>> Granny

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: D90 BestTop
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 14:21:00 CDT

Rob,
Get some climbing rope and some locking carbines (sp?) and prepare to   
repel!

Just kidding.  The top does get easier to put on, but heed this warning:   
trying to put the top on as it gets colder become MUCH more of a   
challenge.

I don't know about the other D90 owners, but at some point in the Fall, I   
decide it's not going to get much warmer, and I plan to put it on.  When   
I say plan, I mean: take the top with you when you go to work and spread   
it out over the roll bars in the sun.  Go out at lunch time, and install   
it (at this point, it's expanded as much as possible).

All of this is moot, of course, if you enjoy a great challenge, and   
bleeding fingers...

Good luck!

Douglas Boehme

 ----------
 I recently had my 1994 D90's Tickford roof replaced with the 1995   
D90-style
 BestTop roof and added the subsequent hardware necessary to handle the   
new
 roof, i.e. the "track" system. It being summer and all, I quickly took   
the
 roof off after purchase and went with the Bimini top to go along with   
the
 nice weather etc..  I decided to beat today's inclement weather and
 tried to place my new roof back on yesterday, and found it to be an
 *incredibly* tight fit - nothing like the Tickford was (!). Anyway, will   
this
 roof become *any* easier to put on as it wears a bit? OR should I   
prepare to
 attach myself to the little tabs on the bottom of the roof, and repel   
down
 the side of the vehicle trying to hook the tabs to the tracking system?!   

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:51:11 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: How do I get the head off?

Jan Schokker wrote:
> Hello all,
> A couple of weeks ago someone wrote about the "coughing" of his Landrover,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
> janjan@xs4all.nl
> De Woude, Netherlands.

I was fascinated by the number of replies to your question, so today
when visiting my trusty LR mechanic I asked his advice.

"Oh that one" he said "that's often a problem on the older vehicles with
old fibre gaskets - age just seems to weld the whole lot togther - if
all else fails, remove the fuel supply (and ignition if petrol engine)
and remove a plug or injector or two (1/4 2/3 1/3 or 2/4 keep it even)
and use a peice of fine wire to see if the pisrton is down - roll the
car to move the piston down, and fill the cylinder with oil!" then
replace the plug/injector, and slowly roll the car in gear so that the
piston pushes the oil up - don't turn the engine over, just roll in gear
- the head will come easily free this way"

You may have already solved it, but I couldn't resist passing this gem
on. (Courtesy of Per Bertelsen, Marius Bertelsen Auto Workshop, Sjelle,
Denmark telephone +45 86 95 42 07)

Good luck,

adrian redmond

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:49:09 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: weird 16" wheels correction

Hello all, 

In my last message, I was asking about the diameter of my 16" rim. Duh. It's
the width that I would like to know, 5", 5.5", or 6". Thanks again

        Just a question for the experts out there.

        I have 16" rims on Rudolph that came off my 68' 109 SW Nada. I would
like to         know the diameter of the rim and the offset, since I am
about to change tires         (is Trac Edge a good choice?) The part number
on the rim reads FV607510 and the         year: /68 .

        I can't find that number anywhere in the parts catalog. I would like
to buy         another rim just like it, cos I only have 4 of them, the PO
chucked out the         spare.

        Was this rim available only on the 6-cyl Nada's?

Thanks for the replys, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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From: "fisk.spencer" <fisk@gene.COM>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:02:23 -0800
Subject: Paint Code- Camel Trophy Yellow

Hi All,

  I have a 1965 109 IIA which, in its many lives, has had 4 different
coats of paint added to it.  Most recently (pre 1971) it was painted
Camel Trophy Yellow, and I would like to repaint the firewall and
insides this year before it start raining.  I am in the process of
prepping the firewall now, and antipate painting late next month.  I
have checked the after market page (the 4x4 connection) and did not see
a code match.  I did see that "Sandglow" was an early Jag colour though.
 Anyone got any ideas on where I might be able to track down a reliable
paint code and source??

Thanks in advance,

Spencer Fisk

1965 IIA 109 3dr "Pebbles"

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:07:29 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: weird 16" wheels correction

Michel Bertrand wrote:
> Hello all,
> In my last message, I was asking about the diameter of my 16" rim. Duh. It's
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)]
> 1973 88 SW (21st century project)             \        /
>                                                \______/
> mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

Liked the signature logo "Lucas Inside" shouldn't it read Lucas Inside
Out? (Just spent the evening repairing the headlight switch in the dash
- I get about 300 miles per switch on these!

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:08:14 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Code- Camel Trophy Yellow

Hi Fisk,

In the May 1996 (Issue #5) of LROI there is a beautiful Series III 
painted in Camel colours.  I quote, "... British Leyland Sand Glow 
paint, the colour used for the Camel Trophy vehicles, was mixed.".

The Series vehicles really look great in that color.  

jc

fisk.spencer wrote:
> Hi All,
>   I have a 1965 109 IIA which, in its many lives, has had 4 different
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> coats of paint added to it.  Most recently (pre 1971) it was painted
> Camel Trophy Yellow, and ...

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:34:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: johnliu@earthlink.net
Subject: Broke something in the rear diff!

Ouch!  Well, you can probably tell pretty quick if it is a halfshaft by
jacking up each rear wheel and rotating it.  Probably that is what you
have.  I drove happily for a week in front-wheel drive after breaking a
halfshaft, with no ill effects.  However, the grinding would worry me: e.g.,
what if bits of halfshaft are mucking up the differential so a easy fix is
being converted to a costly one?  Unlikely, but a thought.

Personally, I would find or buy a couple
of wrenches, disconnect the propshaft from the transfer case, wire it up
securely (very, very securely!), and then drive it home.  If that is not
possible, then maybe your AAA card should be used (as the owner of two
British cars, you do have Auto Club membership, don't you?)  Or maybe there
is a service station close to you that could take off the propshaft.

If none of that is
possible -- well, I wouldn't spend the night at work (or whereever you are)
just because of some grinding!  When you get home, since you need
transportation until the halfshaft arrives, just disconnect the propshaft
completely and rely on the front axle for a while.  Don't leave the
propshaft wired up since the consequences of it coming loose and the front
end dropping down and lodging in a pothole as you whistle along at 50 mph .
. . sorry, I guess I'm stating the obvious.

John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net (via HP200LX and NetTamer)

John Y. Liu

`[1;37;47mNet-Tamer V 1.05.1 - Registered

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:28:41 +0200
From: Dieter Bothe <bothe@itz-koeln.de>
Subject: V8 - Engine

Helo Landy-Owners!

After finishing the frame-over now it's time to have a closer look at the engine 
of my 109 Station SIII V8 (1983). 

1. I find in the database of a petrol-station that the V8 engines runs with 
"normal" 91 octane fuel unleaded. Can anybody confirm this?

2. At the moment our baby takes around 20 litres of fuel per 100 km. This seems to 
be much, because she doesn't grow any more. What experiences made other 
V8-Parents?

3. I know there have been some discussion, but maybe somebody could give me a 
summerize of how to reduce this extensive fuel-consuming (remember in Germany 1 
litre fuel costs about 1$) 

Many thanx,

David Bothe

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:38:52 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: RE: D90 steering wheels

On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, GeorgeEsq@gnn.com (George S. Szydlowski) wrote:

>for your info I have a motolita wheel and hub on my 73 sIII. I bought a 
>spare wheel from rovers north and had the bushing cut out and pressed in to 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>plus shipping and you can try the same.  g.s.s.
>George - thanks for the offer. However, I do have the option of Series wheel 
that is available here, and I am thinking of using it.
Cheers
Allan Smith
St. Lucia
>for your info I have a motolita wheel and hub on my 73 sIII. I bought a 
>spare wheel from rovers north and had the bushing cut out and pressed in to 

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Date: 28 Aug 96 21:29:50 EDT
From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Diffs

Has anybody had any experience with positive locking diffs of detroit lockers?
After a few calls I talked to a company that said they had in-sstock a bolt-in
positive locking diff to fit a 72 Land Rover with either a 10 or a 24 pline axle
for about 300$ US.  Any horror stories, words of wisdom, etc...

Thanks.  Steve Rochna   '72 SIII 88

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:33:30 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Series Database

This information is based on 8 vehicles reported.

Vehicles by Year:       Vehicles by Series:     Vehicles by WBase:
1964    -  1            I       -  0             86"    -  0
1965    -  2            II      -  1             88"    -  5
1966    -  1            IIa     -  6            107"    -  0
1969	-  1            III     -  1            109"    -  3
1970	-  1
1971	-  1
1973	-  1			

The most popular color is some form of Green.

I am sure that this information will change. <g>

Again, the format follows.  Any deviation from the comma delimited slows 
down my data entry.  Thanks

VIN,year,type,size,name,color,current location,country,shape,original 
dealer,e-mail,lro-net,notes (limit of 250 characters)

meaning:
VIN - vehicle identification number
year - year as registered
type - I, II, IIa, III, FC
size - 86,88,109,107 etc
name - what have you named your vehicle or none
color - the current color of vehicle
current location - ie Colorado
country - ie  USA, UK, Germany
shape -   -  choose one of the following
                                  dd - daily driver
                                  dr - drivable
                                  ur - under restoration
                                  pc - parts car
                                  dy - destroyed
original dealer - if know or private party import or "unk" if unknown
e-mail - the owner's e-mail address or "none"
lro-net  - if this car is owned by a subsriber to lro-net then put 
"lro-net" here otherwise use "unk" for unknown.
notes -  anything you'd like noted; seperated by semi-colon; 250 char 
max

John Casteel

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Driveshaft Drama

Thanks to all that offered your advice reference my driveshaft problems.

Here's the score:

Rear Driveshaft: Destroyed front yoke, bent shaft, rear u-joint and spline on 
their way out.

Front Driveshaft: All u-joints bad, spline bad.

Cause:  Both shafts out of phase...duh!

Effect: I'm now $471 poorer but my Rover runs much more smoothly (and has two 
nice new custom-made driveshafts).

Effect#2:  I will NEVER let my driveshafts get out of phase!

"Ouch, my wallet hurts!"

Rgds,
Eric

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From: PDoncaster@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:43:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Driveshaft Drama

How do the drive shafts on a land rover get out of phase?

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:44:50 -0800
From: bfinley@awinc.com (BRYCEFINLEY)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Diesel

People have been talking about a $4500 diesel and whether that constitutes
a good price.

I'm in Canada, and I've just bought my first Land Rover after doing some
research (reading all the web pages and FAQ), looking in our regional
classifieds, talking to two local owners, and finally making two phone
calls, and one 600 km round-trip drive to talk to the seller (then another
drive to get the vehicle), and the purchase price was $1500 Canadian. I
only had to talk to that one seller, and go to see that one car.

I already described what I got (1968 109" IIA NADA 6 cyl works fine) from a
guy here with 31 Rovers. It needs tons of minor things, and I did find that
all other Rovers cost more, but they were all somewhat restored.

Maybe the good life is just cheaper here, but I think you could find all
Land Rovers here in better shape than mine would be about $4000 to $7000
Can, but not diesel.

One Rover owner in my town bought his current Series III dead in a field
and paid $2500 Can two years ago, and it needed lots of work under and
around, but was nice inside, so he still paid seemingly more.

The Rovers North vehicle flyer (Aug.) has lots of listings for the more
restored and expensive models, and that's what a fixed up Rover should sell
for anywhere I would think.

So maybe $4500 is good. What have other recent buyers been paying and getting?

Bryce Finley
Christina Lake, BC

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:54:21 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series Database

        I noticed one inconsistency:  There are no pre '64 LRs in the list,
but one vehicle is listed as a IIa.  I think the IIa came out earlier than
'64, so that must be a mistake--either that or I'm full of it :-).  But
anyway, I think what you are doing is way cool.  Thanks a bunch.

C

At 11:33 PM 8/28/96 -0500, you wrote:
>This information is based on 8 vehicles reported.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 52 lines)]
>max
>John Casteel

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Driveshaft Drama
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:10:36 +0930 (CST)

PDoncaster@aol.com:
> How do the drive shafts on a land rover get out of phase?

Usually a SPOT, unless of course you have a rangie or D110 where the 
front shaft is *meant* to be out of phase....
In which case the SPOT is to take it apart and put it back in phase. 
Of course this is only a SPOT if you actually tell the new owner, and at 
least it prevents them from making the same mistake

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: V8 - Engine
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:01:51 +-200
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dieter Bothe[SMTP:bothe@itz-koeln.de] wrote:
>Helo Landy-Owners!

>After finishing the frame-over now it's time to have a closer look at =
the >engine
>of my 109 Station SIII V8 (1983).

>1. I find in the database of a petrol-station that the V8 engines runs =
with
>"normal" 91 octane fuel unleaded. Can anybody confirm this?
Yes, mine V8,3.5,8.13:1, 1983 have been run
on 92 oktane unleaded (bleifrei)for 9 years
and 180000 km.
>2. At the moment our baby takes around 20 litres of fuel per 100 km. =
>This seems to
>be much, because she doesn't grow any more. What experiences made =
>other
>V8-Parents?
Not so bad, mine uses 18/100km in daily
use and 14/100km on long holliday trips.
>3. I know there have been some discussion, but maybe somebody could =
>give me a
>summerize of how to reduce this extensive fuel-consuming (remember in =
>Germany 1
>litre fuel costs about 1$)
I remove the fan from oktober to may,
gives 8%. Stop playing with thw Golf GTI
at the traffic light, gives up to 25%.

Happy Rovering
Bent, Copenhagen, D=E4nemark.

------ =_NextPart_000_01BB9588.B9EB0A20

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:53:00 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Driveshaft Drama

Daryl Webb wrote:
> PDoncaster@aol.com:
> > How do the drive shafts on a land rover get out of phase?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> --
>   Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
Sorry, but what is a SPOT?

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:01:47 +0000
From: ewhite2@ALPHA2.CURTIN.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Kangaroo-bars vs bull bars: A working definition!

Hi again, 
You are probably right about the banter, although I have spoken to many 
who would prefer to miss these animals altogether. It is just another 
case of enonomy coming before nature. I have often wondered what right we 
have at all to do the damage we do to this magnificent country. Despite 
the size of this country, nearly all the different environments are 
exceptionally fragile. Even simple tyre marks can start a sequence of 
erosion that can be catastrophic. So it seems then, either on or off road 
we need to be aware that both the 'gore' or remnants of scrub we carry on 
our bull bars and roo bars, can have such consequences. For the time 
being, I might add, my landrover S3 is barless as I don't really get up 
enough speed to harm any wildlife!!.
Cheers, Chris. 

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Adams, Bill wrote:

> I can just imagine the truck-stop banter as to who rolls in with the most 
> gore dripping from the front of his rig.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Bill Adams
> 3D Artist/Animator

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