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1 "Jens Vesterdahl" [jve@p17Land Rover Music
2 "Jens Vesterdahl" [jve@p2[not specified]
3 Keith Elliott [kelliott@13Re: Bonnet spare carrier
4 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u23Re: Bonnet spare carrier
5 krm@mtnms.att.com 5Erratic Speedo, My speedometer stopped, changed speedo pinion, very steady speedo
6 "Ken Obrzut-ASTF77" [Ken59RE: Paint
7 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em29Re: disc brake conversions
8 "Ken Obrzut-ASTF77" [Ken75FW: Paint
9 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em17Re: 101 FC prototypes
10 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em14Re: Anti-Corrosion Coatings, Take 2!
11 colleran@headwaters.com 39Wizard Wheeze or Demon Dodge
12 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi19Re: "Stainless" exhausts
13 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em14Re: "Stainless" exhausts
14 "Christopher H. Dow" [do39Suspension Update
15 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi23Stainless
16 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em38Re: Spare tire on bonnet
17 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi24Re: Stainless
18 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us26How'd they do that?
19 bfinley@awinc.com (BRYCE25another newbie
20 gpool@pacific.net (Granv48Re: another newbie
21 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us12Re: another newbie
22 William S Kowalski [702535Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems
23 harincar@internet.mdms.c15Re: 1977 SIII 109 FS
24 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 30Bonnet Mounted Spare Wheels
25 12/4/95 [rsloan@titan.li42I'm back in the U.S.A!
26 Wdcockey@aol.com 17Re: Bonnet Mounted Spare Wheels
27 gpool@pacific.net (Granv15Land-Rover bicycle
28 Paul Nash [paul@frcs.alt17Re: BSW and BSF sizes
29 David Rosenbaum [rosenba39Land Rover Bicycle
30 rover@pinn.net (Alexande30Double S redux
31 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi48RRR number 7
32 "UtahSports.com" [rtspor10Pigskin Classic Football Contest
33 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world21[not specified]
34 Allan Smith [smitha@cand19Re: D90 steering wheels
35 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo115Metrinch Wrenches
36 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world21[not specified]
37 Dirk Tischer [dtischer@U10D90 tailgate on a Series III?
38 Garret Scott [scottgs@us39re: commercial plug
39 Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3.29RE: Commercial Plug
40 John Karlsson [karlsson@31Re: Bonnet spare carrier
41 ASFCO@aol.com 13Re: Metrinch Wrenches
42 Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3.57RE: Land Rover Bicycle
43 Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3.80RE: I'm back in the U.S.A!
44 Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm38Re:Bonnet spare carrier
45 Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-m24Re: D90 steering wheels
46 m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miro25Scrathed Swivel Balls
47 twakeman@scruznet.com (T23Re: Scrathed Swivel Balls
48 bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Boh26Re: Scrathed Swivel Balls
49 Jody Scharrenborg [jody@11Re: Land-Rover bicycle
50 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi21Re: music


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 13:03:19 
From: "Jens Vesterdahl" <jve@phaseone.dk>
Subject: Land Rover Music

Hi all.

Reto suggested:

In my case, that song could have the second title: "Hymn to the highway" :-)

Anyway, now that I'm facing the task of taking out the gearbox again, how about 
Stones' Windows95 song "Start me up". The chorus goes: "You make a grown man 
cry..." (Microsoft apparently forgot that!)

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:12:11 -0400
From: Keith Elliott <kelliott@intranet.ca>
Subject: Re: Bonnet spare carrier

        My Series II SW also has the deluxe bonnet with tire mount and
mounting plate on the back door for another spare, I always thought that
this was kinda strange... As for ashtrays mine has 2 small ones, one for the
driver and one for the passenger. They look original equipment but I have
been wondering if they were an option from Solihul or if a PO just put them
there...

Keith

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Bonnet spare carrier
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 13:14:58 BST

>         My Series II SW also has the deluxe bonnet with tire mount and
> mounting plate on the back door for another spare, I always thought that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> been wondering if they were an option from Solihul or if a PO just put them
> there...

As FFRs tend to be different, I have:

Only one spare tyre mount. This is on the bonnet, with the dish and straps.
I assume the bonnet is a "deluxe" one. There are no other mounts - not even
on the safari door, but then, I don't believe the door to be original
(the hard-top definitely isn't).
Ash-trays:  I have two large (approx. 10 gallon) ones under the front seats.
One for the driver, one for the passenger. These were fitted as a part of
the Government's latest no-smoking drive.

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: krm@mtnms.att.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 08:33:43 EDT
Subject: Erratic Speedo, My speedometer stopped, changed speedo pinion,  very steady speedo

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 7:52:03 -0500
From: "Ken Obrzut-ASTF77" <Ken_Obrzut-ASTF77@email.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Paint

I don't know how I ended up on this distribution, but someone within Corporate 
Research obviously knows that I have restored about 14 Vintage US Auto's. If a 
US Land Rover dealer cannot get you the paint, I propose the following two 
approaches:
1. Get the nearest US Big City Yellow Pages and look for paint dealers who 
specialize in UK paints.
2. Take a small detachable portion of the car to an automotive paint mixer(those 
people who mix paint for body and fender repair facilities), Almost all of these 
paint mixers have the ability to "custom blend" an exact replica of the original 
color using a computer to analyze the paint and prepare the proper formula which 
is then mixed. Custom Blending of paint usually takes 24 hours and you must 
usually buy at least a quart of the paint.
Hope this helps, Ken Obrzut
_______________________________________________________________________________
Blossfield-AKB010 Katie; Brotman-AAB002 Andrew; Dare-AGD003 Gary; Dou-AXD001 
Xinyu; Duerdoth-AJD002 Julie; Dusek-AJD004 James; Essick-ARE002 Ray; 
Glick-ARES25X Bud; Harton-AAH002 Austin; Hu-AKH003 Kai-Xiong; Iyer-ASI003 Shuba; 
Jahn-ASJ002 Steve; Kohley-CDYN76 Jeff; Krier-AJK005 Joan; Kuchibhotla-ARK005 
Ravi; Ladwa-AML003 Mayura; Lin-ADL007 Diane; Lucas-ABL008 Brian; Mandayam-ARM010 
Ramanand; Matson-CPK003 Peggy; Meyers-CHM003 Hillel; Moat-AKM003 Kent; 
Pittler-AAP001X Arnie; Adams-ADA002 Donna; Barruzza-ALB002 Lisa; Morikuni-AJM035 
Jim; Mui-AGM005 Gary; Norris-AJN005 Jim; Obrzut-ASTF77 Ken; Palaniswamy-AAP008 
Avinash; Parker-ABP006 Bob; Pfeil-WJP003 Jeff; Rasmuson-CMKR01 John; 
Regan-AJR020 John; Schuette-AMS002 Mike; Shang-ADS003 David; Tamvakis-AAT001 
Alex; Tapia-AJT006 Javier; Tremain-ABT000 Bob; Wu-ASW006 Sean; Wu-AWJ005 Jason; 
Wu-AXW001 Xiaohua; Wyatt-AKW001 Karl; Yacobellis-ARES09X Bob; Yeh-ACY001 
Chao-Pin; Yeh-AJY005 James; Yongyuth-CAY001 Arms; 
Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net@INTERNET
From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net@INTERNET on Sat, Aug 17, 1996 12:41 
PM
Subject: Re: Paint

David wrote -

>Can some one please help with some paint questions, dose anyone have a =
>list of paint color's for S1 and 2 Land Rovers with manufactures names =
>of paint or numbers? Thanks in advance.
Here are some paint codes from Herberts for Series I's:

Bronze Green   0428
Ivory          0416
RAF Blue       37262
Dove Grey      37263

Hope you can get these in the States. The tropical roofs on S I Station 
Wagons were all Ivory, the S II changed to Limestone. If you need any S I 
details, email me directly, I just worked through the James Taylor book and 
have them all listed.

As I said not so long ago, take a panel with the original paint along and 
compare them in daylight. Do not trust codes, or people who mix colours from 
them.
Good luck

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:42:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: disc brake conversions

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Lloyd Allison wrote:

>     I am told that there were 4 FC 101" prototypes.
> One is here in Melbourne, one I think went to Canada.
> They began life with 3L 6-cyl engines, ENV diffs and part-time 4WD.
> I believe one got destroyed somehow.
> Can anyone confirm / deny / add_to   any of the above?

	There are a pair (numbers 2 and 3, though number 2 may actually 
	be number 1.  Owner is checking on this from other numbers on the 
	vehicle) sitting, rusting away about 32 miles from where I sit.
	There is a third sitting in a museum in England.

	While they look like 101's, there are differences between them and
	the production models.  The entire cab arrangement is different,
	the drivers front windscreen opens, there is a kinda turret over
	the passenger seat, the steering is a complete dogs breakfast (fixed
	in production.  These are very snakey to drive).  When Spencer 
	finishes getting moved, the Identa-Rover pages in the FAQ will
	be getting a series of photos of them.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 8:36:01 -0500
From: "Ken Obrzut-ASTF77" <Ken_Obrzut-ASTF77@email.mot.com>
Subject: FW: Paint

_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Paint

Ken Again, If you do not get satisfaction through your Land Rover Dealer, Your 
Local Yellow Pages under "Automotive Paint Dealers", or you lack faith in a 
computers ability to analyze a part of your car and create the proper paint 
formula,  You can also get a copy of Hemmings Motor News(Bennington, Vermont) go 
to the "Misc. Imports", "L-Cars", or "Land Rover" and after the "Cars For Sale" 
section under the appropriate "Marque", you will find "Parts and Misc Services" 
wherein you will find someone who can get you the paint you desire. Hope this 
helps, Ken
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From: Obrzut-ASTF77 Ken on Mon, Aug 19, 1996 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: Paint

I don't know how I ended up on this distribution, but someone within Corporate 
Research obviously knows that I have restored about 14 Vintage US Auto's. If a 
US Land Rover dealer cannot get you the paint, I propose the following two 
approaches:
1. Get the nearest US Big City Yellow Pages and look for paint dealers who 
specialize in UK paints.
2. Take a small detachable portion of the car to an automotive paint mixer(those 
people who mix paint for body and fender repair facilities), Almost all of these 
paint mixers have the ability to "custom blend" an exact replica of the original 
color using a computer to analyze the paint and prepare the proper formula which 
is then mixed. Custom Blending of paint usually takes 24 hours and you must 
usually buy at least a quart of the paint.
Hope this helps, Ken Obrzut
_______________________________________________________________________________
Blossfield-AKB010 Katie; Brotman-AAB002 Andrew; Dare-AGD003 Gary; Dou-AXD001 
Xinyu; Duerdoth-AJD002 Julie; Dusek-AJD004 James; Essick-ARE002 Ray; 
Glick-ARES25X Bud; Harton-AAH002 Austin; Hu-AKH003 Kai-Xiong; Iyer-ASI003 Shuba; 
Jahn-ASJ002 Steve; Kohley-CDYN76 Jeff; Krier-AJK005 Joan; Kuchibhotla-ARK005 
Ravi; Ladwa-AML003 Mayura; Lin-ADL007 Diane; Lucas-ABL008 Brian; Mandayam-ARM010 
Ramanand; Matson-CPK003 Peggy; Meyers-CHM003 Hillel; Moat-AKM003 Kent; 
Pittler-AAP001X Arnie; Adams-ADA002 Donna; Barruzza-ALB002 Lisa; Morikuni-AJM035 
Jim; Mui-AGM005 Gary; Norris-AJN005 Jim; Obrzut-ASTF77 Ken; Palaniswamy-AAP008 
Avinash; Parker-ABP006 Bob; Pfeil-WJP003 Jeff; Rasmuson-CMKR01 John; 
Regan-AJR020 John; Schuette-AMS002 Mike; Shang-ADS003 David; Tamvakis-AAT001 
Alex; Tapia-AJT006 Javier; Tremain-ABT000 Bob; Wu-ASW006 Sean; Wu-AWJ005 Jason; 
Wu-AXW001 Xiaohua; Wyatt-AKW001 Karl; Yacobellis-ARES09X Bob; Yeh-ACY001 
Chao-Pin; Yeh-AJY005 James; Yongyuth-CAY001 Arms; 
Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net@INTERNET
From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net@INTERNET on Sat, Aug 17, 1996 12:41 
PM
Subject: Re: Paint

David wrote -

>Can some one please help with some paint questions, dose anyone have a =
>list of paint color's for S1 and 2 Land Rovers with manufactures names =
>of paint or numbers? Thanks in advance.
Here are some paint codes from Herberts for Series I's:

Bronze Green   0428
Ivory          0416
RAF Blue       37262
Dove Grey      37263

Hope you can get these in the States. The tropical roofs on S I Station 
Wagons were all Ivory, the S II changed to Limestone. If you need any S I 
details, email me directly, I just worked through the James Taylor book and 
have them all listed.

As I said not so long ago, take a panel with the original paint along and 
compare them in daylight. Do not trust codes, or people who mix colours from 
them.
Good luck

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:46:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 101 FC prototypes 

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote:

> 	Talk to Dixon about the Candian prototypes.  He's seen them, as in
> seen them this winter in Canada; although I recall him talking about 2 
> prototypes in Canada.   At last report they were just rotting out in the
> forest with an owner who didn't want to sell.

	Good point.  Now that it is warm, I should go and get more photos.

	At least this time I will be pointing the camera up, rather than down
	at them.  Be a slight bit warmer too...  Spenny's got the winter
	photos...

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Anti-Corrosion Coatings, Take 2!

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 Solihull@aol.com wrote:

> May I suggest to those of us painting our chassis, to go with grey or even
> white? Picture yourself doing some undercar roadside maintenance, no
>.
	White?  Hmmm, the effect would probably spread upwards and next
	I'd be wearing white polyester pands, running neon lights below...
	Grey...  The Little Earth Pig has a grey frame.  Does make a 
	difference...

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From: colleran@headwaters.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:00:10 +0400
Subject: Wizard Wheeze or Demon Dodge

When I was a kid, some distant relatives in England used to send us bundles
of the Sunday funnies from the Daily Express and so forth. As I recall, one
of these papers had a little section they ran occasionally called "Wizard
Wheezes & Demon Dodges" -- featuring handy little tips on how to get extra
mileage out of your pen nibs, or how to use a paper clip to jimmy the lock
on your teacher's desk drawer, or other stuff like that which school boys
would want to know. Anyhow, here's one for Rover boys:

After years undisturbed, those little screws that hold on reflectors and
turn signals etc, always seem to seize up so that the slot is no longer
sufficient to keep them from rotating. So, instead of undoing they just
spin when you get a socket on the nut end. Small vise-grips can sometimes
just find enough meat on the head end to grab onto so you can snap them
off, if you're lucky -- but often not without damaging whatever it is
you're trying to remove. (invariably a lot less expendable than the
furshlugginer little fastener that's holding it on -- grrrr)

Here's the tip: (whether it's a Wizard Wheeze or a Demon Dodge is your
call) Get a pair of decently sharp side cutters -- the ones with the
cutting edge set flush to the tool face -- and grip the screw head as close
to the surface as possible. Often they can be backed off a few treads
before seizing up, and in this case you can ease the cutters in under the
head, which is even better. Give the cutters a reasonable bit of squeeze
while you use a ratchet and socket to rotate the nut end. The spinning
motion lets the cutters neatly shear off the offending fastener without
damaging the underlying part. This works best with an air-driven ratchet,
but a hand-driven one will do.

I've had good results with this technique on fasteners up to and including
the 1/4" X 1/2" set screws with rust-rounded heads if found all over the
body panels on my IIA. I spent over an hour working on these yesterday
while my vacation-bored six-year old daughter watched. Not once did she get
to say "Daddy, you used the F-word." It works THAT well!

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:26:27 -5
Subject: Re: "Stainless" exhausts

snip
> (whatever that means) but it ain't stainless.... a magnet sticks to it.
snip
I'm not using them, but FYI matensitic (sp?, it's been a long time) stainless is magnetic.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:38:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: "Stainless" exhausts

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> I'd like to know if anyone else is running with the Double S "stainless 
> steel" exhaust system.  Just replaced the intermediate pipe with plain ol' 
>.
	For Series stuff, the stainless test are just about at an end.  Not
	sure if there are any stainless systems left on a vehicle up here.
	The longevity of these systems has not really been there...  Kind of
	like the experience with copper brake lines.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:53:13 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Suspension Update

All,

Thanks for all the suggestions on the suspension.  When I got the new shocks
on, it made all the difference in the world.  Now it just has the standard
Series Land-Rover bumpy ride.  One thing I learned from this is that you
can't rely on your own interpretation of the way bumps in the road feel.
So, don't rush out and buy springs until you've tried replacing the shocks
(I'm glad I didn't do that).  

The things that clued me in to the possibility that it was just the shocks
were looking at other cars' leaf springs and seing that they were pretty
'flat', too (one of these was a brand-new J**p, so I assume it had good
springs), and giving the top a good firm push and watching whether or not
the vehicle rocked more than once.

Next on the list are:
        Window Channels (have printed out your responses to my posting)
        Windshield frame
        Roof Painting (alpine white)
        Interior door panels
        Headliner
        Seats

        Hopefully, window channels and windshield frame next weekend.  

        Regading seats, does anyone have experience with the company whose
ad in LROI is near the John Craddock, Ltd. add?  I can't remember the name,
but the ad was yellow, and they were the only ones I saw advertising seats.
I was interested in the high-back seats with head rests.  Any input from
someone who's used them would be appreciated.

Chris
'65 88" IIA SW
'96 Disco

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:30:25 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Stainless

Dear all,
        The problems we've seen when servicing stainless exhausts is that
some companies sell stainless systems with stainless pipes, but the pipe
flanges are mild steel. Thus meaning the pipes we throw away are almost
perfect, but the flanges that connect them have rotted off at the same rate
as regular systems.
        Stainless systems work well, but not the cheap ones, find a company
that uses a COMPLETE stainless system, some even stand behind the systems
for the life of the Rover, then they are worth the trouble.
        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:54:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Spare tire on bonnet

On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> First, it is common for series II & III Land Rovers to come with multiple
> spare tyre mounts.

	The mounts themselves can differ.  On Civie stuff, there are two
	types of lugs that hold the tire down on the bonnet.  Military
	vehicles have a different set-up.

> 88s may have a spare tyre mount at the top center rear of the seat bulkhead.

	Two types of these I think too...

> Land Rovers fitted with rear doors, may have a tyre mounton the rear door.

	The rear door will have a dovetail arrangement to support the door
	when closed just under the latch.

> The bonnet mounted spare reduces forward visibility  closest to your car
> where it comes in handy while off roading.  It also cuts down on the air
> flow through the scuttle vents.

	And cuts down on rain hitting the windscreen.  Useful whan the wipers
	don't work, er that well...

> The rear door mounted tyres can cause problems off road.  They have been
> known to cause door damage.  Some people have added a third hinge to
> reinforce the door.  Rear tyres mounted low on the door are apt to run
> aground on rough terrain.

	Also can foul on the tow ball with 750/16's...  

	Rgds,

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:05:34 -5
Subject: Re: Stainless

Mike writes:
snip
> flanges are mild steel. Thus meaning the pipes we throw away are almost
> perfect, but the flanges that connect them have rotted off at the same rate
snip

Mike, next time you get a set for a series, don't through  them away. 
Send them to me, I'll weld on stainless flanges and have myself an 
inexpensive stainless exhaust system.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 12:10:11 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: How'd they do that?

Our old fridge finally wheezed into the next life this past weekend, 
prompting a frantic search for a replacement. After checking a few local 
appliance places we finally ended up at the old Sears store. Of course 
they had just what we were looking for- a side by side model in the 22 
cu. ft. range. It was a floor model that they had discounted from 1300.00 
down to 899.00. I cheezed another 10% out of the salesman with the 
promise that I would take it right then.
Imagine the surprise of the loading dock guys when they saw me pull up 
with the Rover. Looking very doubtful they agreed to try to put it in the 
back of the 109. I had measured the unit and knew it would go in the rear 
door, but the crew was not too enthusiastic. With a little pushing, in it 
went, with only about 20" sticking out the back.
Suffice it to say that getting it in and out of the truck was the least 
taxing portion of the ordeal of replacing the old one.
Just another anecdote for your files. Kenmore refigerator, 22 cu. ft. : 
fits.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
1966 109 Safari Lookin' Refrigerator Haulin' Leadbutt Diesel Station 
Wagon. 
"Hey, we should try offroading with this in here"

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:03:38 -0800
From: bfinley@awinc.com (BRYCEFINLEY)
Subject: another newbie

Hello everybody. My name's Bryce Finley, I'm a 31-year-old publisher from
Christina Lake, British Columbia, Canada, and have been on the list for a
few days.

I should have bought a Land Rover that was offered to me eight years ago
but didn't (kick me here), and just five days ago corrected that grave
error by picking up a SII A 109 5-door NADA 6-cylinder petrol grom a truly
great LR lover in this area with 31 Rovers. I gather it is a 67 but
registers as a 68.

The conversations on this list have been really helpful so far, and I'm
glad to know that there are some people on the list in this general area. I
do have lots of questions for the future, but overall this truck runs,
stops, etc. and requires only minor things, much better and more complete
than anything I hoped to get.

BTW, there are 5 LRs in my tiny town - 4 88s and mine. I think there are
500 or 700 residents or so.

Bryce

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:50:05 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: another newbie

Hi, Bryce,

Welcome to the LRO list!

>Hello everybody. My name's Bryce Finley, I'm a 31-year-old publisher from
>Christina Lake, British Columbia, Canada, and have been on the list for a
>few days.

What do you publish?

>I should have bought a Land Rover that was offered to me eight years ago
>but didn't (kick me here), and just five days ago corrected that grave
>error by picking up a SII A 109 5-door NADA 6-cylinder petrol grom a truly
>great LR lover in this area with 31 Rovers. I gather it is a 67 but
>registers as a 68.

31 Rovers?  Wow!  Is that Andr=E9 Mayer?  If so, he was on the LRO list for=
 a
while.  Congrats on getting what sounds like a nice Rover (I used to have a
'67 NADA with a Chevy six in it).

>The conversations on this list have been really helpful so far, and I'm
>glad to know that there are some people on the list in this general area. I
>do have lots of questions for the future, but overall this truck runs,
>stops, etc. and requires only minor things, much better and more complete
>than anything I hoped to get.

Several of those LROs in B.C. are also on the mendo_recce (west coast)
mailing list.  Some will most likely be going to the Portland All-British
Field Meet on Labour Day weekend.  I usually go but can't this year.

>BTW, there are 5 LRs in my tiny town - 4 88s and mine. I think there are
>500 or 700 residents or so.

Sounds nice!  I was very smitten with B.C. in my one cursory visit there in
June of '70.  Gonna come back for a serious visit (in a Land-Rover I hope!)
one of these days.

Cheers,

Granville Pool
Redwood Valley, CA USA
'73 Series III 88 (the Snark)

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 13:45:28 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: another newbie

>overall this truck runs,stops, etc. and requires only minor things, much 
better and >more complete than anything I hoped to get.

Yeah, right. see how long this lasts!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: 19 Aug 96 14:21:24 EDT
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems

On the subject of stainless steeel exhaust systems, I can't speak from L-R
experience as I have a stock system made of mild steel on my '67 109" IIA. After
being in daily use for about two years now, the mild steel system is rusting
good through the Chicago winters but not failing or leaking. OTOH, I did install
a Falcon (English made) stainless steel exhaust system on my '63 Austin-Healey
BJ-7 a few years ago. The system came with a so called "Lifetime Warranty" We
drive the Healey a lot, and as it turned out the SS muffler itself  failed after
two seasons of summer driving; no winter/salt stuff for the Healey. The muffer
outer skin developed a fracture starting at an end weld while in Louisianna and
just traveled the entire length by the time we arrived home to Chicago. The
Healey sounded great!! Naturally, I pursued the lifetime warranty and was told
by Falcon through the dealer I should have had the system inspected annually,
together with new exhaust mounts installed annually. Plus if there were any
indications the muffler had been hit physically,  the warranty was void. (Never
on a Healey!!!)  And finally, if there are any questions the system must be
shipped back to England for final analysis. I would rather change exhaust
systems on six Land-Rovers than one Healey!!! So, I pitched the Falcon SS
muffler (kept the SS head and tail pipe) and installed a mild steel muffler in
the Healey. Its been going for at least seven years now.  

In conclusion, a stainless steel muffler must be heavy gauge material, heli-arc
welded, with adequate internal structual support, and then install a mild steel
unit!! Stainless steel head and tail pipes are heavier and will last a long
time. A muffler undergoes a lot of pressure changes during operation and will
work harden the SS quickly around the welds where the material has vbeen upset
by welding or bending.

Bill Kowalski, '67 109" LR, IIA
                          "63 BJ-7 A-H
                          "53 Bentley "R"

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:32:41 -0500
Subject: Re:  1977 SIII 109 FS

> 1977 SIII 109 5dr 12 pass. SW for sale... California registered...

How'd you get a '77 into the US and registered?

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:45:30 -0400
Subject: Bonnet Mounted Spare Wheels

The subject of bonnet mounted spare tyres prompted me to dig out some mid
sixties vintage Land Rover brochures to see what clarification they offer.

Catalog 609G shows very few bonnet mounted spares.  In the catalog drawings
only one bonnet mounted spare is shown (on an 88 with truck cab), however,
in the included photographs of Land Rovers in action, most of these have the
bonnet mounted spare.  This brochure contains the phrase:

     "The spare wheel is normally secured in the body but a special
     bonnet with spare wheel mounting can be supplied at extra cost
     if additional body space is required."

Did the factory PR folks feel the bonnet mounted spare spoiled the Land
Rover's sleek lines?

It also appears from this literature that the deluxe bonnet (without spare
tyre depression) was standard on all 109 models and on 88 station wagons.

The standard bonnet, being simpler and less expensive to produce, may have
been supplied to keep down the cost of the rather spartan 88s.

Paul Donohue
Denver
65 Dormobile (with dished deluxe bonnet)

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:32:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: I'm back in the U.S.A!

Well, I've just returned from a business trip to Japan.  Was gone for 
about ten days, I still haven't quite figured out the time thing, left 
Japan at 3:30 PM Tuesday and arrived at JFK NY at 3:30 PM the same 
Tuesday!  So of course the first thing I did was stretch, then proceeded 
to remove soft top and windows from my truck.
You know how you think you are industructible, and nothing that happens 
to other people will happen to you? Like when you really know better but 
do something stupid anyway? Well listen to this momentary lapse of reason.
I was wrestling with the windows for about a minute.  Really far too long 
to wait to get them off right?  So I started really yanking, tugging and 
huffing.  Finally got one end up. (For those who don't know what I'm 
talking about, the window section of the door for D90's is 
removable...the window has two six inch bolts that drop through the top 
of the door) Then when I tried to get the other end up, it would come up 
after dropping the other side, like a see saw.  So off goes the light 
bulb, out comes the crow bar.  Ahh, the perversity of the inanimate!  
Don't ever, ever, EVER direct the force of blunt or sharp objects towards 
you!  Something I quickly realized just before my vision was impaired by 
all the blood dripping down my head and face.  Quite a shocking site for 
the folks when I walked in during their supper.  Smacking oneself with a 
crow bar is definitely a good way of causing damage, in my case a nice 
1-inch gash directly above my right eyeball.  Fortunately I'm thick 
skulled, or I would have bled my brakes, er, brains all over the place.
Anyway, the windows are off, I had about 90 messages to read, and here's 
the sightings from Japan...
2 Range Rovers
3 Discos
4 Series of various denominations
1 D110, left hand drive.
Also, in Tokyo, I saw a Land Rover bicycle, something called an APB or 
AFB I think.  It looked collapsible and pretty sturdy.  Who's got the info on 
that?

Goodbye for now,
Rich
D90 #2948 
bloodied, but still standing...

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:45:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Bonnet Mounted Spare Wheels

Paul has done some research on bonnets and spare tyres:

>It also appears from this literature that the deluxe bonnet (without spare
>tyre depression) was standard on all 109 models and on 88 station wagons.
>The standard bonnet, being simpler and less expensive to produce, may have
>been supplied to keep down the cost of the rather spartan 88s.

This was correct as early as '60 in NA based on the price sheets that came
with our SII SW.

David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:06:23 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Land-Rover bicycle

Rich,

>Also, in Tokyo, I saw a Land Rover bicycle, something called an APB or 
>AFB I think.  It looked collapsible and pretty sturdy.  Who's got the info on 
>that?

There's a Web site for that bike.  I used to have a bookmark for it but no
longer do.  Do an Alta Vista Search for it.

Granny

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:32:55 +1000
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Re: BSW and BSF sizes

>Generally speaking, Whitworth heads and nuts are one size bigger than BSF
>for the same diameter, e. g. a 1/4 BSW will also fit a 5/16 BSF. However, if
>your wrenches were *really* old, they would be Whitworth old standard, which
>is one more size bigger, e. g. 1/4 BSW fits 3/8 BSF.

As far as I can remember (it _was_ a long time ago), the reason for this is
that the "old" Whitworth standard was for nuts and bolts with square rather
than hexaonal heads.  Looks like trivia season is hotting up!
--
Paul Nash
37 Tyson St, Ainslie, ACT 2602, AUSTRALIA
South African in Exile for a few years more ...

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Land Rover Bicycle

Dear Rich:

Sorry to hear about your *gash*. The door tops can be tough to remove.
Trying to keep the posts even and lubrication of the white sleeves with
Teflon spray seems to help. Glad your OK!

Some time ago, somebody posted a web address about the LR Bicycle:
http://137.205.192.13/~esrgq/moulton/landrapb.html

Moulton has been making folding bikes for some time and they are renowned
for their excellent construction and high price! (I believe that they sell
in the $1500.-$3000. price range.)

Green Gear Cycling in Eugene OR makes a line of folding bikes (Bike
Friday) which start somewhat lower. Estimated range: $700. - $3000: they
even make a folding tandem bike. All of their bikes are custom made
according to your size and other specifications.

Moulton and Green Gear use top components, and their bikes are said to
ride as well or better than whatever your usual bike.

Others make folding bikes that are simpler and (much) less expensive, that
might be better suited for only occasional use, short trips or
emergencies. The name that comes to mind is "Dahon" and their bikes are
featured in some boating supply catalogues (Western Marine).

I have a Bike Friday 'World Tourist,' but since I got the D90, I haven't
been biking much.

Best wishes,
David R.

Waist size, pre-D90: 32"
Current waist size:  34+"  Yikes! Time for a Guinness......

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:42:49 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Double S redux

Patrick wrote:

>Was the flange identical type of SS to the pipe or some other kind?

Exactly...as it came from Double S, the pipe originally *appeared* to be 
stainless (I didn't check it with a magnet when I bought the system from 
RN), but the flanges on the pipes and muffler were obviously carbon steel.  
I expected that I'd have problems down the road with the dissimilar metals.

Tightening up the exhaust system, I broke one of the manifold bolts off.  
Previously, I had fitted "Helicoil" stainless thread inserts, but one got 
buggered somehow and kinda cross threaded a year or two ago.  Since I have 
to pull the thing off to get the bolt out, I'm considering have the manifold 
re-aluminized.  The shop is reccommending a "Jet Hot" coating that's used on 
turbine blades and such.  It's twice as expensive as the traditional 
aluminizing.  Anyone had experience with the Jet Hot coatings?  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:09:40 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: RRR number 7

Dear all,
        Just wanted to take a minute and thank everyone involved for the
great weekend the majority of the staff here at ECR had during the 7th
annual Ray's Rocky Road Tour this past Saturday!!!
        The organizers did a great job of pre scouting the trails, lunch
spots, and had the perfect mix of trail riding, and somewhat challeging
sections to drive over. A basically pleasant drive through the beautiful NH
mountains was broken up with little sections of rock climbing and even some
mud. The trail set up was just right, an easy challenge for those who have
no experience off road, and a bit of fun for the rest of us. No damage, a
well done event. Everyone who attened had a great time, and an easy go of
the great trails. There was everything from stock SIIA and SIII 88's,
D90's, Range Rovers, one of our coil conversion 88's, and a few custom
Rovers, including our Zebra truck. Even a Hummer was allowed to go for
entertainment purposes. That was great to see, I usually only see those on
city streets, hats off to the owner for doing what it was built to do.
        We all met early in Keene NH, *you wouldn't imagine how far Keene
NH is from Warren ME, sounds close, but it isnt* and paraded the Rovers
around a bit before ducking off down a trail for the remainder of the day.
First section was a great rocky bit, where if you had no clue, or didn't
pick your line as you should, you'd be hung. One SIIA 88 got hung up for a
minute of two, then the rest went through cleanly. Then off through the NH
country side, some time on dirt roads by postcard views of New England farm
houses, some on fire roads, and some on rocky terrain *hey this is Ray's
Rocky Road, right?!* The set up was perfect, some spots we'd all stop and
watch each other go through a section, and sometimes we'd just train
through the woods and take in the great feeling you get tooling around in
the woods all day. A quick stop for a chat and a lunch, and back to it,
until the afternoon. After a quick good bye, we headed off, back to Maine,
with a group of 5 88's. All said and done, we all had a great time. Thanks
again to the organizers, well done.
        I'm glad to see these Land Rover events doing so well, and I hope
to see more of you at Ray's 8th Rocky Road Tour next year, you'll enjoy it.
The staff and I will most definately be back!
        See ya there.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:14:14 -0600 (MDT)
From: "UtahSports.com" <rtsports@krusty.itsnet.com>
Subject: Pigskin Classic Football Contest

UtahSports.com would like to invite you to the Pigskin Classic guessing
contest (BYU vs Texas A&M).  The Contest and Prizes are sponsored 
by SS Marine.

  http://www.utahsports.com

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:27:38 +0000

Greetings Chaps,
     Several questions. 
1)Did we ever find out what model, year, etc.of Ford weatherstripping was used? 
2)Has everyone seen the Sept.LRW ad on page 35 for the heavy duty
swivel-housing gaiters? What is the opinion of those Net members that have
seen it?
3)Regarding Rover type rear axles (10 spline) are genuine Land Rover axles
better than after-market? How can you tell the difference? Does anyone sell
a stronger (tempered) replacement?
4) Richard, you can remove the steering wheel, dry it and sand 400 or finer
grit and paint it with two part epoxy. Or, of course, the leather cover is
quicker and cheaper. 

 Jim Wolf
SIIA 109 s/w (Vicky)
under restoration

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:39:16 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: D90 steering wheels

Hi all - a couple of weeks ago there was some discussion about chopping up rear 
bulkheads to improve front space/driver position. One option that was proposed 
from the US was fitting a steering wheel with less dish. 

Are there any replacement steering wheels available for the Defender in the US? 
Didn't all US-spec 90s come with airbags? 

So far I have only LR options on my ROW 90 but I have never liked the 
Discovery-style steering wheel with the large centre boss and would happily 
change it for a plainer-looking spoked wheel that doesn't block most of the dash 
info when turning. (I can keep the plastic thing for when I'm restoring to 
concours condition 30 years from now :-).
Cheers
Allan

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:50:07 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Metrinch Wrenches

Hi all,

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but does anyone know where these
Metrinch can be purchased in the US?  I'd be interested in getting
a  7/16 and 1/2 size range.

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 01:50:25 +0000

 Greetings Chaps,
     Several questions. 
1)Did we ever find out what model, year, etc.of Ford weatherstripping was used? 
2)Has everyone seen the Sept.LRW ad on page 35 for the heavy duty
swivel-housing gaiters? What is the opinion of those Net members that have
seen it?
3)Regarding Rover type rear axles (10 spline) are genuine Land Rover axles
better than after-market? How can you tell the difference? Does anyone sell
a stronger (tempered) replacement?
4) Richard, you can remove the steering wheel, dry it and sand 400 or finer
grit and paint it with two part epoxy. Or, of course, the leather cover is
quicker and cheaper. 

 Jim Wolf
SIIA 109 s/w (Vicky)
under restoration

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:48:31 -0700 (MST)
From: Dirk Tischer <dtischer@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: D90 tailgate on a Series III?

Does anybody know if a D90 tailgate will fit onto a Series III?

Thanks, 

Dirk Tischer

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:53:44 -0400
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: re: commercial plug  

Jim,

Point made. 

I suppose I got carried away.  But, you must understand, a Land-Rover was my first
car or vehicle or truck or lorry, (but not a J**P!!), and it was my pride and joy.  I bought many 
parts from one of these vendors, I spent all of what little money I had on parts.  Many of the new 
parts I received broke, others didn't fit correctly.  Strangly, after I re-replaced many of the so 
called "OEM parts" with real factory parts, most of my Rover's problems went away.   

So I learned like most of us eventually do: The hard way. 

I would rather not see every other Land Rover owner (especially very young ones) have to 
go through the same bad experiences, costs, and learn the hard way about spare parts. 

This happened many years ago.  Some of these people are still in business.  Why, I ask?  Surely
they would get better, or bad experience and word-of-mouth (or Internet) would do them in.  
Apparently not!  It appears there are still those parts dealers who are just out there to make a 
buck, and nothing else. 

However negative it may seem to discuss it, why should we all unknowingly suffer, and have to learn 
the hard way?  If this sort of information belongs anywhere, it belongs in this group.  Surely if 
the group can discuss "headless horse attachments", it can take on "parts suppliers".  

I realize this listserve service is essentially free to me. I do thank those who so graciously 
donate thier time to it's existance and timely delivery.  I know well that the job can be a lot of 
work, aggravation, and fun (much like Land Rovers).  I also agree that I should have toned down my 
previous reply.  I will in the future.  At least so as not to be made a "bad example" of. 

Garret (KB4QGN)

Nigel, 67 Air Portable
George the II, 67 88 S-IIA
Edmund, 72 88 S-III (my first, and still physically challenged)

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Commercial Plug
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:38:50 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know that there's been this thread on whether or not to *advertise* or =
list anything that smacks of commercialism... Most have a variety of =
viewpoints. I think that a concensus might be lurking that it's o.k. as =
long as it isn't flagrant and endless... or too repetitive...

Lately, I am reading of lotsa plugs- both pro and con of various =
establishments. I'm sure that I am safe in saying that ALL of the =
vendors have SOME satisfied clients and some, well, not-so-satisfied =
ones... This has always been true. Those who have NO satisfied ones go =
out of business.. Logical!

It is my hope that, rather than have the list serve as a tally sheet of =
yea or nay for a particular establishment, that each vendor be allowed =
to continue to have opportunities to get better, satisfy more people, =
and take care of problems satisfactorily.

Above is IMHO only.... Each of ends up patronizing those vendors who =
render good service, fair prices, and good followup. At least I do...

cheers
Jim

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:52:55 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Bonnet spare carrier

harincar@internet.mdms.com wrote:
> TeriAnn wrote...
> > I think in general if the car came with a rear mounted spare tyre carrier,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
> tim harincar
> harincar@mooregs.com
> '66 IIa 88 SW

My '66 88 SW (i.e. hardtop w/ sliding windows) has standard bonnet w/tyre 
mount, interior mount, and rear door mount.  I have no reason to think it 
has been altered.  I've owned it since 1970.

My first LR was a 1965 109, and I was the third owner.  When I bought it, 
I got the 2 1/2 page assembly line ticket, which listed the deluxe bonnet 
(dished) with tyre mount and the rear door mount.  I put a rear door 
mount on the rear of the tropical roof.  I can't remember if that mount 
came from my present 88 or if I used the one from the rear of the 109.  I 
think it was the former.  The 109 was originally sold in England (to an 
officer in the US Air Force, as I recall) who travelled through Africa 
with it.  I sold it to a friend who in turn sold it to a Noel (that's the 
feminine No-el', as in Christmas) Walker, who lived in Vermont.  Does 
anyone recognize this vehicle?  The front bumper should show signs of 
having a front capstan winch mounted.

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:58:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Metrinch Wrenches

Nate;
  I got my set from QVC..1-800-345-1515 their customer service people should
be able to provide you with info...
Rgds
Steve Bradke        72 S lll 88 ( for sale )
WA2GMC             68 S lla 88
                           96 Discovery SE-7 

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Land Rover Bicycle
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:37:25 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

David:

Great post! I believe that LRNA is at some point going to release a LR bicycle from a different OEM. Stay tuned.

cheers
Jim - time for a Boddington's best bitter!

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From: 	David Rosenbaum[SMTP:rosenbau@u.washington.edu]
Sent: 	Monday, August 19, 1996 11:10 AM
Subject: 	Land Rover Bicycle

Dear Rich:

Sorry to hear about your *gash*. The door tops can be tough to remove.
Trying to keep the posts even and lubrication of the white sleeves with
Teflon spray seems to help. Glad your OK!

Some time ago, somebody posted a web address about the LR Bicycle:
http://137.205.192.13/~esrgq/moulton/landrapb.html

Moulton has been making folding bikes for some time and they are renowned
for their excellent construction and high price! (I believe that they sell
in the $1500.-$3000. price range.)

Green Gear Cycling in Eugene OR makes a line of folding bikes (Bike
Friday) which start somewhat lower. Estimated range: $700. - $3000: they
even make a folding tandem bike. All of their bikes are custom made
according to your size and other specifications.

Moulton and Green Gear use top components, and their bikes are said to
ride as well or better than whatever your usual bike.

Others make folding bikes that are simpler and (much) less expensive, that
might be better suited for only occasional use, short trips or
emergencies. The name that comes to mind is "Dahon" and their bikes are
featured in some boating supply catalogues (Western Marine).

I have a Bike Friday 'World Tourist,' but since I got the D90, I haven't
been biking much.

Best wishes,
David R.

Waist size, pre-D90: 32"
Current waist size:  34+"  Yikes! Time for a Guinness......

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: I'm back in the U.S.A!
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:31:17 -0400
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FYI:

The absolute key to success in removing (or reinstalling) the D90 door =
tops is not letting one end get higher than the other!!! TIP: A little =
spritz of oil into each hole helps here. If you DO use a blunt object to =
assist, make sure you prise against a small block of wood else you will =
gouge the paint at the very least.

You'll find that an even pull from the top of the window frame usually =
(once the stuck gasket breaks free of the bottom) comes up fairly =
smoothly.

cheers
Jim

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From: 	12/4/95[SMTP:rsloan@titan.liunet.edu]
Sent: 	Monday, August 19, 1996 12:32 PM
Subject: 	I'm back in the U.S.A!

Well, I've just returned from a business trip to Japan.  Was gone for
about ten days, I still haven't quite figured out the time thing, left
Japan at 3:30 PM Tuesday and arrived at JFK NY at 3:30 PM the same
Tuesday!  So of course the first thing I did was stretch, then proceeded =

to remove soft top and windows from my truck.
You know how you think you are industructible, and nothing that happens
to other people will happen to you? Like when you really know better but =

do something stupid anyway? Well listen to this momentary lapse of =
reason.
I was wrestling with the windows for about a minute.  Really far too =
long
to wait to get them off right?  So I started really yanking, tugging and =

huffing.  Finally got one end up. (For those who don't know what I'm
talking about, the window section of the door for D90's is
removable...the window has two six inch bolts that drop through the top
of the door) Then when I tried to get the other end up, it would come up =

after dropping the other side, like a see saw.  So off goes the light
bulb, out comes the crow bar.  Ahh, the perversity of the inanimate! 
Don't ever, ever, EVER direct the force of blunt or sharp objects =
towards
you!  Something I quickly realized just before my vision was impaired by =

all the blood dripping down my head and face.  Quite a shocking site for =

the folks when I walked in during their supper.  Smacking oneself with a =

crow bar is definitely a good way of causing damage, in my case a nice
1-inch gash directly above my right eyeball.  Fortunately I'm thick
skulled, or I would have bled my brakes, er, brains all over the place.
Anyway, the windows are off, I had about 90 messages to read, and here's =

the sightings from Japan...
2 Range Rovers
3 Discos
4 Series of various denominations
1 D110, left hand drive.
Also, in Tokyo, I saw a Land Rover bicycle, something called an APB or
AFB I think.  It looked collapsible and pretty sturdy.  Who's got the =
info on
that?

Goodbye for now,
Rich
D90 #2948
bloodied, but still standing...

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:06:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re:Bonnet spare carrier

On 17 Aug 96, John Dillingham commented.."I wish we knew what these things
had for accessories when they hit port."

I have a Series III brochure put out by British Leyland Motors Inc with a NJ
address, LR 732, printed USA, that describes the 1973? 88 S/W.

Under equipment it includes "Interior and exterior spare wheel carriers."
In the descriptive narrative it says "Spare wheel mounts are fitted to the
bulkhead or outside of the rear door."

Factory-Installed Options were:
 Front lifting and towing rings.
 Tropical roof.
 Spare wheel carrier on hood.
 Folding side steps (2).
 Sun visors (2).
 Rear step.
 Engine speed control.
 Locking hasp for hood.

FWHs, plow and electric winch were listed is dealer installed options.

The pictures show rear spare mounts and spares mounted inside.  One picture
shows a hood mount for the spare and the hood does not have a recess.  Three
of the four round rubbers are visible in the picture.

Comparing the hood to pictures in a early 80's UK SIII brochure, the '73 NAS
SIII does not have a rounded edge on the front of the hood, so it does not
have the deluxe hood.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: D90 steering wheels
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:18:52 +0200 (METDST)

Allan asks:
| Are there any replacement steering wheels available for the Defender in the US? 

Sorry, I don't know about the US, but my 1989 110 (note: NO Defender) has a steering
wheel with much fewer plastic in the middle than the new Disco style. Perhaps you
could get one like this from the UK?

Just a thought.

Cheers,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
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      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:34:49 +1100
From: m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miroslav Belik)
Subject: Scrathed Swivel Balls

Hello again.

One of the swivel balls on my newly acquired LR has go a series of scratches
on them stuffing the seal up and making the oil leak out. Is it possble to
sand the scratches down so the the ball is smooth again and replace the
seals to get rid of the leak. Or does the ball need to be replaced.

Apparently the swivel balls are very hard to get in Australia. Is this true
(For the Oz contingent)

Cheers.

SIII Stage 1 82 3.9 ISUZU
Miroslav Belik                    Email: M.Belik@UWS.EDU.AU        
UWS, Macarthur               Phone: 018-028-708 or 61 2 823 9445
P.O. Box 555                     FAX:   61 46 203025              
Campbelltown, 2560                                                             
NSW      
Australia.
         

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:49:08 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Scrathed Swivel Balls

At  4:34 PM 8/20/96 +1100, Miroslav Belik wrote:
>Hello again.
>One of the swivel balls on my newly acquired LR has go a series of scratches
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>sand the scratches down so the the ball is smooth again and replace the
>seals to get rid of the leak. Or does the ball need to be replaced.

At various times I have heard people on the list mention that they have
filled in pits & scratches with epoxy and fine sanded everything smoth.
They said it worked for them.

I have also heard of sending them out to be hard chromed.

Or I supose you could mail order a set from the UK.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: Re: Scrathed Swivel Balls
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:28:56 +-200

At  4:34 PM 8/20/96 +1100, Miroslav Belik wrote:
>Hello again.
>One of the swivel balls on my newly acquired LR has go a series of scratches
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)]
>sand the scratches down so the the ball is smooth again and replace the
>seals to get rid of the leak. Or does the ball need to be replaced.

At various times I have heard people on the list mention that they have
filled in pits & scratches with epoxy and fine sanded everything smoth.
They said it worked for them.
I have also heard of sending them out to be hard chromed.
Or I supose you could mail order a set from the UK.
TeriAnn

I have also the problem, the chrome have been hit by stones.
My local repair shop says that it is possible to rechrome in small spots, 
without removing the balls. I will try to get this done during the winter.

Happy Rovering
Bent Boehlers, Denmark.

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:42:45 +0200
From: Jody Scharrenborg <jody@cyberlab.nl>
Subject: Re: Land-Rover bicycle

here's the adres:
http://137.205.192.13/~esrgq/moulton/landrapb.html

greetings from Holland
Jody
1955 SWB -no top, the last few days-

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:49:10 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: music

Ed sez...

>        This is a first time posting. (just-FINALLY!!!-got a computer)
>I prefer bagpipes for city driving.  Played loud, it really scares the hell
>out of pedestrian. :-)

It works real well when pulling into a Rover encampment late at night. All
the drunken sods love it. And, the next morning, it works equally well at
6AM to wake up the same drunken sods. Aye, Laddie, the pipes, the pipes.

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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