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1 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob26Re: Def-90 Loves to leak
2 CarDoctor@gnn.com (Rober30Re Engineering disk brakes.
3 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_To28SIII running-in
4 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob17Re: Re Engineering disk brakes.
5 rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A18Pix from Downeast
6 paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul N23Re: Sockets
7 David Rosenbaum [rosenba18Re: Salisbury Airlockers
8 "Niel J. P. Fagan" [NF@o32 Re: Wheel nuts and sockets.
9 gpool@pacific.net (Granv21Re: Salisbury Airlockers
10 "S. Vels" [svels@mail-se21Re Engineering disk brakes.
11 petrova [petrova@loop.co18New to the List
12 cmw@tiac.net (cmw) 18removing 90wt from t shirts
13 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob30LRO's in Bawlmer...
14 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em11Re: LRO's in Bawlmer...
15 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (39Re: SIII running-in
16 steve cross [scross@pop.5[not specified]
17 Andrew Howton [ahowton@a21Re: cross-links
18 Peter Reynolds [Peter_Re5why are my message texts getting snipped
19 David Rosenbaum [rosenba13Re: Marshall ARB: it should be "Tacoma", WA
20 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi19Oops! Shooting blanks
21 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob10Re[2]: LRO's in Bawlmer...
22 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo117Re: Re[2]: LRO's in Bawlmer...
23 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em15Re: Re[2]: LRO's in Bawlmer...
24 TeriAnn Wakeman [twakema16[not specified]
25 Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3.43RE: Def-90 Loves to leak
26 kirkwood@strider.fm.inte29transporting a 66 109
27 Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3.37RE: Land Rover music.
28 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo126Re: transporting a 66 109
29 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em24Re: transporting a 66 109
30 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us11Re: transporting a 66 109
31 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us13Re: Windshield, T-Shirts, Stereo, Events
32 "Peter J. Gronous" [100620Tee Shirt
33 Peter Reynolds [Peter_Re5my messages are ettig clipped I am using lotus note mail and I was wondering if anyone could help
34 tradica@netzone.com 12Curious Info on a D90 value
35 rover@pinn.net (Alexande26Oil's well that ends well
36 John Pertalion [ap12536@21Re: transporting a 66 109 and AAA
37 JDolan2109@aol.com 25'popping in the pipes'...
38 robot1@juno.com 58Tools
39 eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heit31Lug Wrench Blues
40 Allan Smith [smitha@cand33RE: Def-90 Loves to leak
41 Martin Lusk [luskm@weka.8nhrtghfdg
42 Wdcockey@aol.com 33Re: transporting a 66 109 - U-Haul trailers
43 David Rosenbaum [rosenba20Definition of "value"
44 posies@midcoast.com (ang26Re: RR on fire! -- Need a replacement
45 uf974@freenet.victoria.b22Bonnet spare carrier
46 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi31Re: transporting a 66 109
47 petrova [petrova@loop.co30Re: Tee Shirt
48 petrova [petrova@loop.co26Re: Tools
49 David Bothe [bothe@itz-k27Fluids
50 David Bothe [bothe@itz-k42Re: Tee Shirt
51 sjak.r.haaheim@vg.no 3[not specified]
52 Daniel Polak [daniel@sys13group photo of LRO readers at Billing


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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 07:52:47 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Def-90 Loves to leak

>>>I was wondering if other Def-90 owners have had problems with leaking 
transfer cases.

Let's see. There's a couple of potential causes here...
1. Check the breather for the transfer case. Perhaps there is a breather which 
is clogged?

2. Perhaps the transfer case is warped. Not much you can do there 'cept for 
complete replacement. 

3.Have you tried tightening the bolts? Oftentimes large components like t-cases 
are put together with locknuts that must be replaced whenever they are removed.

4. Check your owner's manual to see what type of vehicle you own. If it says 
Land-Rover, then there is your problem. If this is the case then just keep it 
topped off. There is nothing anybody can do for you...

In 20 years or so the dirt will seal it up.

Cheers
Dave B.

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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:15:39
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re Engineering disk brakes.

Hi All,
 I have been reading, learning, & gathering technical tips for some time 
now.  One of the attractive things about Land Rovers is the exceptance of 
the re Engineering factor by those of us with the skills to no only repair 
the LR but to modify it to better fit our needs.
 I am sure that someone out there has Re Engineered disk brakes on to the 
series axles.  I recall hearing fo someone in a club out there making an 
adapter to mount the calaper (misspelled).  I do not want to install a coil 
axle or modify the spring mounts on a coil axle to fit the leaf springs 
either.  I have been looking at what it might take to mount the swivel 
housing & disk on a series axle.  They look like they would bolt up & that 
there should be a KIT out there to do this change.  
 Has anyone figured this out? 
I have heard that the brake master would also have to be changed to provide 
the right amout of braking fluid.

 I find it hard to believe with all of the creative & skilled people who own 
LR's that I am the first to be looking to do this.

Regards,
  Rob Davis_chicago

1971 (88SW) treeweaver
1965 (109SW) OX 
1965 (109) Dad's Toy (keeper only) 

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Tom=E1s_Parreira?= <jparreira@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: SIII running-in
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:04:25 +-200

Hi guys:

My SIII 2.25L engine was opened and I've bought a new set of pistons, the cilinders
were de-ovalized (???), new engine head ans so on. The compression rate is very
high and the Landy now really pulls. My question is, what are the best driving
procedures to make a good run-in of the engine. During how many kilometers/miles.
If you can help I would appreciate, because I want this engine to last, at least until
my grandchildren are capable of driving it (I am 24 years old) :-)

Happy Rovering
Joao Parreira

********************************************
* Joao Parreira	| jparreira@mail.telepac.pt
* Aveiro - PORTUGAL
* INTELLECTOR Ltd.
* I.T. Consultant
* 1980 LR 88' SIII
********************************************

LAND ROVER'S FIRST
BECAUSE LAND ROVERS LAST! :-)

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:25:06 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Re Engineering disk brakes.

>>>> I find it hard to believe with all of the creative & skilled people who own
LR's that I am the first to be looking to do this.

Let's see, you'll need an adapter or something (drill) to attach the rotor to 
the Series hub, and then something to mount the caliper to. I suppose this could
be welded to the swivel housing. Seems like it would require alot of custom 
fabrication. Probably easier to cut down some RR axles. Get 'em done right and 
you'll be set for good, with easy to get replacement parts, instead of a custom 
fabrication job whenwver something breaks.
Well, on with it then! Let us know when it's ready. :-)

Dave

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:55:22 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Pix from Downeast

I have three pictures from the Downeast rally I'd like to return to their
rightful owners.  ;-)  If the description of one of the trucks below match
yours, drop me a note (to rvirzi@gte.com) with your snail mail address and
I'd be happy to forward it to you.  Oh, these were taken from a morning run
on the offroad course.      -Bob

1. Red D90 with Hellas (?) tipped upwards, bull bar, and winch going over
the log bridge.  LP is something like HL A 306.  Can't tell state.

2. Red S11 or s111 with white tropical roof, bull bar and additional
lights.  Spare on hood, doing hill climb.

3. D110 with Me. LP 'OUT OF', approaching log bridge.

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:04:42 +1000
From: paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: Sockets

> thing, the air sockets are only six point not 12. How big a deal?

A 6-point socket will do far less damage to an over-tight nut, but can be a
pain in the derriere if you have a breaker bar rather than a ratchet.  I'd
go with 6-point sockets and a _good_ (eg: Facom) ratchet nay day of the
week.  As goes the extra haft of the impact sockets, I have some and they
are far nicer to work with than normal cheapo sockets.  You gets what you
pays for -- cheap sockets are generally nasty, good sockets (impact or
otherwise) pay for themselves in skinned knuckles, knackered bolts, etc.

PS:  For Australian readers:  any hints about what carburettor to put on a
Holden 202?  I have a 202 in my sIII, which has taken to cutting out when I
corner sharply (especially at speed, which is guaranteed to frighten the
shit out of Canberra drivers :-)) or go up or down steep inclines.  I have
a tired Stromberg, and am not sure whether I should replace it, or have it
rebuilt.  Alternatively, a 3.9 diesel in good nick might be the go ...

    paul

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Salisbury Airlockers

On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Granville Pool wrote:

> I've got info somewhere but little chance I could find it.  Hmmm, that
> reminds me.  In addition to BP selling ARB, there's a fellow in the PCRC
> who'll surely be at the Portland meet (think he's out of Washington) who is
> a dealer for ARBs too.  Might talk to him when you're there.

I got a card from him last year but *can't find it* now. "Marshall ARB"
may be the company name, located in Tacmoma, WA., I believe. Last year at
Portland, he had a model of how an ARB works.

Best wishes,
David

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:23:29 GMT
Subject:       Re: Wheel nuts and sockets.

As I maintain our local St. John Ambulance vehicle, I usually get 
the job of changing the wheels. The best solution I've found is a 
long 3/4" drive bar (I've broken too many 1/2" one's) and an air 
impact socket (single hex), and if its too F-ing tight we use the 
vehicles engine to move slightly, with the bar against the ground, 
to crack them (this works for lancia drive shaft nuts at 300+ foot 
pounds too). 

Air sockets are single hex to TRY to stop the points being rounded 
off, normal 12 pointers are made for ease of getting them on.
A good alternative we use here at work is the metrinch system, this 
uses a flank drive method, and will normally remove what would be a 
vise-grip (mole grip, english spanner) type rounded nut/bolt head, 
without crushing it and making it worse.

It's not that I'm lazy, cranes for gearboxes, engine power for wheel 
nuts etc, it's that I believe in preserving myself and strength for 
the important thing's, like food & BEER, (the warm STRONG flat stuff, 
not the WEAK cold fizzy kind).

Regards Niel

'58 S1 swb h/t diesel.Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:16:15 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Salisbury Airlockers

I said:

>> I've got info somewhere but little chance I could find it.  Hmmm, that
>> reminds me.  In addition to BP selling ARB, there's a fellow in the PCRC
>> who'll surely be at the Portland meet (think he's out of Washington) who is
>> a dealer for ARBs too.  Might talk to him when you're there.

Then David Rosenbaum said:

>I got a card from him last year but *can't find it* now. "Marshall ARB"
>may be the company name, located in Tacmoma, WA., I believe. Last year at
>Portland, he had a model of how an ARB works.

That'd be the one!

Granny

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:21:20 +0001
Subject: Re Engineering disk brakes.

Hi all.

On the subject of brakes modification; in a "Beyond 2000" programme 
is saw some time ago, they showed an Austrailian invention. The oil 
bath brakes. The disc and calipers were placed in an alloy cast 
housing that was filled with oil. The pads were grooved. The inventor 
claimed that not only will you get full brakes after wading but the 
brakes would last up to ten times normal. The mod actually seemed to 
work, even though fitted to an FJ.

This programme must be about two years old now. Has anyone heard 
about it since?.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:43:55 +0000
From: petrova <petrova@loop.com>
Subject: New to the List

Hello,
I am new to the list and am testing how this works.

Please excuse the nuisance.

***************
Ana Petrova
c/o Peter's Marina Motors
800 Lincoln Blvd.
Venice, California 90291
mailto:petrova@loop.com
http://englishcars.com
*************************

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:55:35 -0400
From: cmw@tiac.net (cmw)
Subject: removing 90wt from t shirts

Grease, oil, *tar* and associated grime is usually removed from my T's and
jeans -and body- with liberal amounts of WD-40 and a good wash (at the
laundromat) -occassionally I feel the need to rub in Lan-Lin or somesuch
hand cleaner.  Either/both work wonders.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
  |___\_|_]__]                                      the healthcare
    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional        
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 11:56:57 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: LRO's in Bawlmer...

 

I live near Baltimore, Maryland and am interested in hearing
about clubs and events in my area. Please post or e-mail
me with any info.  Thanks!

Greetings. Mike
I live in Arlington VA, formerly of B'more and DC. Im often back in B'more and 
would be glad to drop by and see your truck. There are several other LRO's in 
the B'more  area and they are a real neat bunch :-). Also lots of us down here 
in DC/MD/VA area. Mid Atlantic Rally is near Richmond? VA and is October 5th and
6th. Urban off-road events beign with the first snowfall...and the occasional 
steeply banked lawn...

Dave "Tread Lightly" B.
88" SII/III Hybrid "almost there"

Arlington VA
dbobeck@ushmm.org

Oh - how about a "Parade of Land Rovers"
 
Mike Tompkins
M&M Stained Glass
http://www.netcom.com/~mmglass/

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:59:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO's in Bawlmer...

On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> Dave "Tread Lightly" B.
> 88" SII/III Hybrid "almost there"
>.
	II/III hybrid eh... Doesn't that average out to late IIA?  :-)

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:00:22 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: SIII running-in

You wrote: 

snip
>what are the best driving
>procedures to make a good run-in of the engine.

>Joao Parreira

Traditionally break in procedures involve keeping the engine under maximum speed 
and varying the rpm/speed on intervals of a few minutes to make sure the engine 
(pistons primarily) wear in under a variety of conditions without maximum strain.  
I believe this should be done for the first couple thousand miles or so.

After the first start up check the coolant level to make sure it hasn't dropped 
due to elimination of trapped air pockets.  As soon as possible re-check all valve 
clearances following the first full temperature run.  (You might also want to 
check other torque settings and the exhaust/intake manifold bolts - anything that 
might vibrate loose or expand on the first heating).

Ideally use a break in oil and a heavy duty oil filter and change the oil at about 
500 miles to dispose of the initial metal removed during break in.

To quote the Turner break in instructions:

"Care in running in the engine is required with sensible driving.  Normal urban 
speeds may be used but do not labour the engine or use excessive speeds.  Use the 
gearbox sensibly but do not over-rev the engine in intermediate gears.  Speeds may 
be progressively increased after 500 miles of driving, but sustained high speed 
running, for exampe long periods of high speed motorway operation should be 
avoided for a further 500 miles....  A 500 mile service must be carried out."

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:03:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: steve cross <scross@pop.erols.com>

unsubscribe lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:19:19 -0600 (MDT)
From: Andrew Howton <ahowton@agt.net>
Subject: Re: cross-links

>On Thu, 08 Aug 1996, John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net> wrote:
> I know of at least one other marine 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Cheers
>Allan
>St. Lucia
I don't know if this counts or not but I'm an environmental tech that likes
to SCUBA dive.  If some one with a degree in Biology is a Biologist then
does my Bsc in Environmental Science make me an Environmentalist?  I might
have trouble getting a job using that title around the open pit coal mine
were I'm working right now.  No I haven't used the kite but I have been
thinking of an RC plane.
My Rovers have provded to be better than the fords and GMCs that I have been
supplied with in this field of work.  The rovering is great here in BC and
Alberta but the good diving is at least a 10hr drive away (long wy in a Ser
III).

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From: Peter Reynolds <Peter_Reynolds@mktplace.com>
Date: 14 Aug 96 11:58:00 
Subject: why are my message texts getting snipped

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Marshall ARB: it should be "Tacoma", WA

> Then David Rosenbaum said:
> >I got a card from him last year but *can't find it* now. "Marshall ARB"
> >may be the company name, located in Tacmoma, WA., I believe. Last year at
> >Portland, he had a model of how an ARB works.

Of course I meant to type "TACOMA" WA. (Not enough coffee when I posted
the original message.....or was it too much Guinness......or is Tacmoma a
dancer?!....Is today Wednesday?....)

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:46:59 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Oops! Shooting blanks

Dear all,
        Sorry about the blank posts, gotta figure out why that happened.
What I was trying to say was that we now have ARB's at great prices due to
a volume buy. So I can save those fellow off roaders some cash.
        Again, sorry for the blanks.
        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 12:48:14 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: LRO's in Bawlmer...

>.
 II/III hybrid eh... Doesn't that average out to late IIA?  :-)

II chassis, late IIa grill, III dash. Averages out to a slight pain in the 
posterior region...

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:17:35 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: LRO's in Bawlmer...

Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> II chassis, late IIa grill, III dash. Averages out to a slight pain in the
> posterior region...

You mean the rear crossmember?

-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: LRO's in Bawlmer...

On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

>  II/III hybrid eh... Doesn't that average out to late IIA?  :-)
> II chassis, late IIa grill, III dash. Averages out to a slight pain in the 
> posterior region...

	Yeah, the +ve earth electrics from the II are shorting with the -ve
	electrics from the III leaving you with classic Prince of Darknesss
	syndrome, courtesy of Loose Unsoldered Connections And Splices of
	course.

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Subject: Re: cross-links
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 10:42:28 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com>

> I know of at least one other marine 
>biologist on the list, but how many of us are there here?

I work in the computer industry, but I have a BS in Marine Biology.  I 
ended up taking most the graduate classes offered at the marine station 
as well as the undergrad classes.

TeriAnn Wakeman 
CPU Compatability Evangelist
Apple Computer, Inc.

twakeman@apple.com     "celebrating 10 years connected to the internet"

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Def-90 Loves to leak
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:47:38 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Leland:

My `95 D90 with 16500 miles has yet to leak a drop of anything (knock on wood). And I play with it pretty hard...

My `90 Rangie with 70K miles has a couple of minor drips - nothing exciting enough for me to take action yet...

My D110 doesn't leak anything yet either - but I hardly ever drive it!

All of my series vehicles leak like sieves... Whether or not they have new seals or not.

So, the product HAS gotten better!

cheers
Jim

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From: 	Leland J Roys[SMTP:roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com]
Sent: 	Tuesday, August 13, 1996 7:11 PM
Subject: 	Def-90 Loves to leak

Hi,

Recently I took my Def-90 into the shop for a leaking transfer case, they
put a new gasket on the case. Well, its leaking again, from the upper part
of the transfer case, right through the new gasket.

I was wondering if other Def-90 owners have had problems with leaking 
transfer cases.

Leland Roys
1994 Defender-90
roys@cup.hp.com

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:35:56 -0700
Subject: transporting a 66 109

I am buying a 66 109 which is not currently running and has been
sitting in a garage for *a long time*. It hasn't been registered
since 1984 and current owner says its been sitting in his garage. I
am assumming since 1984, and it kind of looks like it.

I am wondering about how best to tow this beastie home. I have
considered getting a tow company to do it either on a flatbed or a
dolly for one set of wheels. I am concerned about the axles and
drive line and whether they have any fluids left. I have enough
work to do without totally rebuilding them too. I am also
considering going to Uhaul or some such and renting a car tow-er
but have no experience in this.

All suggestions welcome and encouraged.

BTW, having looked through several of the LR picture books, I still
don't understand the difference between a 109 hardtop and SW. Can
somebody post the difference.

Thanks,

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Land Rover music.
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:49:35 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey boys and girls!

Want to hear a great LR (leaf springs!) period piece?? Try Paul =
McCartney's *HELEN WHEELS* I believe this was on the `70s album *Band on =
the Run.* Helen was/is the name of his series Land Rover - the refrain =
mentions Helen.... Hell-on wheels!!

cheers
Jim

----------
From: 	Blair Gillespie[SMTP:Gillespie@thegrid.net]
Sent: 	Tuesday, August 13, 1996 4:21 AM
Subject: 	RE: Land Rover music.

        I am kind of disappointed that nobody has come up with the =
universal
music that is fit for leaf sprung Rovers(90 's also) My first thought =
was LOUD.
                        Rover On,
                                Blair
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover
1973 S III 88
1967 FLH HD

------ =_NextPart_000_01BB89ED.3697E7C0

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:52:26 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: transporting a 66 109

Clayton Kirkwood wrote:

> I am buying a 66 109 which is not currently running and has been
> sitting in a garage for *a long time*. It hasn't been registered
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> work to do without totally rebuilding them too. I am also
> considering going to Uhaul or some such and renting a car tow-er
> but have no experience in this.

Clayton,

If you have a towing vehicle,(like 3/4 ton pick up) and you have access to a 
winch or comealong,  I would go to a John Deere dealer rent a flat bed
and winch it up on it and tow it home.  Most places rent a flat bed
for about $40/day or 20 per half.

Good luck 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:09:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: transporting a 66 109

> I am wondering about how best to tow this beastie home. I have
> considered getting a tow company to do it either on a flatbed or a
> dolly for one set of wheels. I am concerned about the axles and

	Flat tow with a tow bar would be how I would do it.  My 109 SW
	sat for 18 years in a garage and we just pulled it home this 
	way.  Sitting, I doubt that the 90wt in the axles will be going
	anywhere.  If really worried, just remove the two prop shafts
	if anything

> BTW, having looked through several of the LR picture books, I still
> don't understand the difference between a 109 hardtop and SW. Can
> somebody post the difference.

	A 109 SW is a 5 door vehicle (2 per side, rear safari door)

	A 109 hardtop is a 2 door 109 PU with a full length top and
	either a safari door in the back or a tailgate/liftgate 
	arrangement. 

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 15:42:56 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: transporting a 66 109

If you are a member of AAA you can simply call them and ask for a tow. 
Specify a roll-off. I have done this dirty trick many times. They'll tow 
up to 100 miles. Since your membership goes with you and not your car, 
they don't really track this sort of behavior. Be sure to tip the driver.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 15:48:20 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Windshield, T-Shirts, Stereo, Events

>Mine was originally a 1966 Land Rover Series 2A 109" 
>Station Wagon.
What is it now?
 
I live in Kensington, MD. Hope to see you around the Mid Atlantic in 
October !
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: 14 Aug 96 16:23:25 EDT
From: "Peter J. Gronous" <100617.1214@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Tee Shirt

My humble apologies, yesterday was not a good day. I had to quickly install 8
Laser printers in two locations and forgot to set the paper selection to "auto
select" so had 8 WP operators after my skin cos they were having to manually
feed paper until I figured out what I'd done.

Franz is so right, I got the first part right but forgot the end
the address is : 

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gronous/teeshirt.htm

I hope you can all forgive me for my laxity in checking the modified address.

Regards
Peter Gronous
Surrey, England

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From: Peter Reynolds <Peter_Reynolds@mktplace.com>
Date: 14 Aug 96 16:23:39 
Subject: my messages are ettig clipped I am using lotus note mail and I  was wondering if anyone could help

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From: tradica@netzone.com
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:16:37 +0000
Subject: Curious Info on a D90 value

I have a 1994 D90 in (almost) mint condition.  Any suggestions on 
finding the value of it?   Production number 103.

thanx much 
R
tradica@netzone.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:44:29 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Oil's well that ends well

Rob MAcCormick wrote:

>I'm thinking a small oil can (with a pump) with a tube attached will be the
>ticket...Anybody come up with a configuration that "beats all" variety.

Well, there is this nifty gizmo found in marine supply stores for 
lubricating stern drive lower units.  It's a plastic pump designed to fit in 
quart plastic jugs of 90 wt. and stores neatly in the vehicle when not in 
use.  (For home use, I've got a pump in a five gallon pail of gear oil.) Has 
a threaded weighty end designed to screw into the stern drive so you can 
lube up in the water.  Works great for the gearbox, OD, diffs and swivel 
balls.  My T-box fills itself....

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:08:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Pertalion <ap12536@xx.acs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: transporting a 66 109 and AAA

> If you are a member of AAA you can simply call them and ask for a tow. 
> Specify a roll-off. I have done this dirty trick many times. They'll tow 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Bill Adams
> 3D Artist/Animator

I'd nominate AAA as the most important tool you can buy for an old 
Rover.  Mine broke down and I wasn't able to fix it twice in a row, so I 
bought AAA.  Since then it has broken down but I've always been able to 
get it to limp home where I could do a complete repair of whatever was 
broken.  So as you can see, AAA made me a better mechanic and made the 
Rover more responsive to my repairs.

John Pertalion	
AP12536@XX.ACS.APPSTATE.EDU
Boone, North Carolina, USA

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:13:24 -0400
Subject: 'popping in the  pipes'...

someone was asking about what seemed to be a minor backfiring at or in the
exhaust system during downhill, 'no-load' conditions. In all likelyhood, it
will probably turn out to be a leak in the form of air being drawn into the
exhaust system and raw gas being ignited somewhere along the exhaust. I agree
that all fasteners, sealing surfaces and gaskets should be checked. I just
wanted to add that there's another possibility. If the timing is advanced to
its absolute max, the vacuum advance could be causing a condition where the
motor is firing on the next cylinder occassionally during that no load,
maximum vacuum situation. It can happen, especially with a sloppy distributor
bushing, and/or too wide a points gap. Most likely you would also hear
'pinging' in an uphill situation if this is the problem, but you might want
to try backing off on the timing just a wee bit and see if that helps. I've
seen this scenario myself a few times...
Or, don't do anything and just tell everyone you "put a hot cam in it"...
Then when the muffler blows up, you can tell them you have 'straight
pipes'.... 
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: Tools
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:11:55 EDT

In response to a post by Clayton Kirkwood:

If you are purchasing tools for field use, craftsman is a good bet. I use
craftsman tools with impact wrenches constantly, and they just replace'em
when I break 'em. Which is rare. 

If you're not VERY familiar with impact wrenches, etc, bear in mind that
they can be VERY DANGEROUS in the hands of the uninitiated. I have burned
out a number of head bolts, etc. for people who used impacts which were
set too high. An impact can overcome the torsional strength of the bolt
without generating enough force to break it loose. Better to sweat a
little, and back the bolt off/on a few times with liberal doses of Kroil.

BTW,I have had EXCELLENT luck with the Benchtop line of tools sold by
K-mart. I know this sounds strange, but they are EXTREMELY well
made,(look like Snap-On) and MUCH less expensive than the Craftsman
counterparts. It MUST say BENCHTOP on the tools, otherwise, everything
sold by Kmart is crap. 

By the way, Impact sockets have such thick walls, for the most part, that
they cannot get into tight spaces. 

On the subject of oils, I have used Mobil 1 in my Ford Probe GT turbo for
170,000 miles now, (and those are HARD HARD miles), and  I can still see
the tooling marks on the camshafts; the turbo runs cool and has no runout
or axial play. I am a believer.Trick is to CHANGE IT OFTEN. I change
every 6000 miles with a filter change and topoff at 3000 miles. Twice a
year I get the oil  tested, and the test site asks me why I took it
out!!!

As to Rover Music: I like the Doors, as well. Particularly the "good
nutrition" song:
"well I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer"
Dead works as well:
"I start out running but I take my time, a friend of the devil is a
friend of mine"
or:
"Truck'in, like the doo dah man"
Who?
"I don't care about pollution, I'm an air conditioned gypsy"
Bruce Springsteen:
"Oh, Oh, Oh, I'm on fire"
Wagner-Die Valkyre
"Scares the hell out of the Gooks" (no offense to our oriental friends,
this is a quotation)
Bach- Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor (theme from the Phantom of the Opera)
(Maybe the theme for the Phantom of the Rover)
Holst- Mars, the bringer of War (No explanations needed)

Mark Hardig
Robot10@aol.com
Robot1@JUNO.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:20:31 -0100
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Lug Wrench Blues

The lug wrench that came with my IIA is a vile, misbegotten thing that
affords no leverage whatever. The obtuse angle of the handle means that I
have no leverage whatever. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Wart Hogs at the local
Goodyear shop are very impressed with their air-driven wrenches, which are
always on "maximum stun."

One day I came out and found my tire flat, and my misshapen lug wrench
unable to turn the nuts. I put a six-foot pipe on the wrench and managed to
twist the already misshapen handle of the wrench. I shamed the manager of
the Goodyear store into coming to loosen the nuts with his portable air
tool.

The standard Land  Rover lug wrench simply is not designed to have any
leverage. The lever must be at a right angle to the lug, period, or you do
not have mechanical advantage.

There is hope. Go to a truck parts dealer. Truck lug nuts are the same size
as Series lug nuts, which are larger than the current ones, which are of
course larger than those mini nuts on J**ps.

Regards,
Ned Heite    _______
P O Box 53   |___|__\__==   Heite Consulting
Camden, DE   | _ |  |  --]  Archaeologists and Historians
19934 USA    =(O)-----(O)=  "Baby," a short wheelbase 1969 Land Rover
           """""""""""""""" is our daily ride to work, and she's great.

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:30:24 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: RE: Def-90 Loves to leak

On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com> wrote:

>My `95 D90 with 16500 miles has yet to leak a drop of anything (knock on wood). 
And I play with it pretty hard...

>So, the product HAS gotten better!

I have the same comment about oil leaks, although mine is an ROW spec 90 rather 
than US spec so not a true comparison perhaps, but after 18 months not a drop 
from anywhere. But, what was the leakage from Series vehicles in their first 
year or two? Shortly after I got my driving licence at I spent 9 months with a 
new last-of the-line IIA and despite some hard use on the edge of the Kalahari 
there were no oil leaks. 

The technology may have improved, but the rust issue is a pain in the chassis. 
Admittedly I live in a high-risk area, but with what I see when dismantling 
whatever I can on an 18-month old vehicle to ensure good Waxoyl coverage, I feel 
that 30 years from now the current trucks/vehicles will not look as good as 
their predecessors of the same age. 
If your 90 is anything like mine you need to plan a strategy to deal with every 
component that is likely to corrode. A small magnet will differentiate between 
aluminium and steel, and it will no doubt be disappointing to locate so many 
"rustable" components. 
However, unlike any other vehicle, removing various floor panels gives great 
access to all sorts of stuff, particularly the steel brackets between chassis 
and body.
Cheers
Allan 

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:05:04 +1200
From: Martin Lusk <luskm@weka.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: nhrtghfdg

unsubscribe cso-digest
unsubscribe uk-lro
unsubscribe au-lro

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:57:53 -0400
Subject: Re: transporting a 66 109 - U-Haul trailers

How to move a non-running LR:
<< I am also
 considering going to Uhaul or some such and renting a car tow-er
 but have no experience in this. >>
We've used U-Haul car transporter trailers to move 2 88s from NH to MI, and
0.9 88 from WV to MI. 3/4 ton Suburbans were the tow vehicle each time. No
problems although the tounge weight was VERY heavy, probably the upper end of
what is acceptable for the hitch (I don't want to comment on what it probably
was relative to the hitch rating) and braking in the wet was interesting. The
U-Haul trailers have straps for securing the front wheels at the front of the
trailer, so the weight of an 88 is a considerable distance ahead of the
axles. A 109 would ride better though the extra weight could be a problem.
The car  haulers aren't light. One way rentals worked out cheaper than
renting locally for several days, but there was some hassle with the
reservations. U-Haul hasn't heard of old LRs, and need the vehicle weight
before renting. Next time I'll tell them its a Jeep CJ5. The actual dealers
weren't a hassle though, except for the dealer in WV who hadn't bothered to
get the trailer so we had to back track 30 miles.

A flat bed trailer from a tractor dealer sounds like a great idea as long as
the LR is well secured.

We also have moved LRs locally with a "dolly" as used behind motor homes.
Worked fine.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:01:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Definition of "value"

On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 tradica@netzone.com wrote:

> I have a 1994 D90 in (almost) mint condition.  Any suggestions on
> finding the value of it?   Production number 103.

The 'value' of a D90 or any other thing can be 'found' by seeing how much
you can sell it for.

On the other hand, an enthusiast might consider the value of their
possession to be greater than what someone else might pay - for example I
would never sell my D90. And at the other extreme, if you ever are in a
position to have to collect on an insurance policy, you are likely to be
amazed that you paid those high premiums for so long to be offered a
pittance according to the insurance company's value of whatever it was
that you insured.

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:18:19 -0400
From: posies@midcoast.com (angela)
Subject: Re: RR on fire! -- Need a replacement

>Angela,
>Sorry to hear about your Range Rover's being destroyed!  I'm on the west
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Redwood Valley, CA USA
>'73 Series III (the Snark)

The RR has been declared a "total loss" by the Insurance Co., but no
settlement has been made yet. No news about the cause, either, and it's
probably not worth it for the Ins. Co. to delve itno it. It does appear,
hovever, that the Prince of Darkness has struck viciously. Once they pay
off, the Ins. Co. will own the wreck. It is a fantastic salvage Rover. All
the body panels are in good shape, the engine and tranny are excellent, and
of course, the axles, springs, and brakes are wishing they could return to
greatness in a coil conversion. Unfortunately, it is out of my hands,
but.... Some salvage opperator near Chelmsford, MA. is going to have a fine
RR to part out. Right now it is at Ferreriera Towing. Mabe they will know
where it goes from there.

Peter Doncaster
'64 IIA 88" SF SW
(still looking for a '90-'93 RR County as a replacement)

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Bonnet spare carrier

Dumb question but here goes...

Can the bonnet spare carrier be 
installed on one of the rounded
edge bonnets without the flat
dished out area in the centre?

Clinton "Duhh"glas Coates

PS I haven't forgotten the Yukon trip, have just been very
bogged down in overdue reports!

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 02:21:11 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: transporting a 66 109

Clayton asks...

>I am buying a 66 109 which is not currently running and has been
-sitting in a garage for *a long time*. It hasn't been registered
-since 1984 and current owner says its been sitting in his garage.
-I am wondering about how best to tow this beastie home.
-

My '65 88 had been sitting in a garage from about 1976 until 1994. I flat
towed it using a tow bar from Pittsburg, PA to my home in Gloversville, NY -
about 350 miles. Towing wasn't a problem, but the tires on the truck were.
The truck had been sitting with the front end on jackstands. All four tires
had leaked air and were almost flat. The rear tires were deformed from
sitting so long. I did bring two spare wheels with good tires (just in case)
and one of my spares went flat!! I had to air up one of the deformed tires
and run that. 
The '65 had been fitted with Warn hubs, so I unlocked the front end. I also
had to pull the rear axel shafts because the two odd size tires on the rear
were causing some problems. 

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:55:03 +0000
From: petrova <petrova@loop.com>
Subject: Re: Tee Shirt

Peter J. Gronous wrote:
> My humble apologies, yesterday was not a good day. I had to quickly install 8
> Laser printers in two locations and forgot to set the paper selection to "auto
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> Regards
> Peter Gronous
> Surrey, England

Hi Peter,

I am new to the list and have not seen your earlier postings. The 
t-shirt on you page are you selling them or are you just asking for 
opinions?

Take care,
Ana

***************
Ana Petrova
c/o Peter's Marina Motors
800 Lincoln Blvd.
Venice, California 90291
mailto:petrova@loop.com
http://EnglishCars.com
*************************

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:07:50 +0000
From: petrova <petrova@loop.com>
Subject: Re: Tools

robot1@juno.com wrote:
> In response to a post by Clayton Kirkwood:
> If you are purchasing tools for field use, craftsman is a good bet. I use
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 54 lines)]
> Robot10@aol.com
> Robot1@JUNO.com

Hi Mark,

I am new to the list but I like your taste in Land Rover driving 
music..

Take care,

ana

**********
Ana Petrova
petrova@loop.com
http://EnglishCars.com
********************************

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:16:29 +0200
From: David Bothe <bothe@itz-koeln.de>
Subject: Fluids

I just finished replacing the frame of my 1983 109 3.5 V8 Station and - 
really amazing - she is still running. OK, there is still a lot of work 
to do, but it is a good feeling to hit the road again after 4 weeks.

But I worry about the fluid-levels in the different places. I replaced 
the engine-oil, cooling-water, brake-fluid. But whats about gearbox and 
axles? Could anybody give me an explanation how to check the fluid 
levels there? And which fluid is it? 

I especially worry about the axle-fluid, because there is oil-fluid 
leaking at the front axle. (OK, I'll try to explain my problem with my 
rudimentary school-english vocabulary. Sorry for any misspellings, 
grammatical incorrectness, ... :-))) ) There is a big blank-metal ball 
at both sides of the front-axles, where the wheel is sticked on (the 
part, which alows  the front-wheels to turn left and right). And there 
is fluid coming out. Not very much, but if she stands for some hours, 
you can see it on the ground. Any ideas? (Does anybody understand what I 
mean?)

Thanx,

David Bothe

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:21:37 +0200
From: David Bothe <bothe@itz-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: Tee Shirt

> Franz is so right, I got the first part right but forgot the end
> the address is :
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gronous/teeshirt.htm
> I hope you can all forgive me for my laxity in checking the modified address.

Hi Peter!

Really nice design - I like it. But, I tried the WWW-Adress you give in the Land-Rover-Logo. (www.land-rover.team.net). But I 
just got this Page:

"Playground.Sun.Com 

This is the home page for Playground.Sun.Com, a server operated by the Internet Engineering group of SunSoft, a division of 
Sun Microsystems, Inc. 

This machine is an anonymous FTP server as well as a web server. It holds documents and software for a variety of projects. 

Some of the information located here include: 

     Information about IPng, the Next Generation Internet Protocol. 

     The snoop program for SunOS 4.x. 
     Note: This version of snoop is not a Sun supported product. If you find a bug - tough. 

     IEEE 1275 Open Firmware Working Group Home Page 

If you have any comments or questions about web service on this machine, please contact our webmaster. 

If you have comments or questions about any other aspects of this machine, send mail to playground-staff@sunroof.eng.sun.com. 
"

Not very LandRover-typical, I think.

What went wrong?

David

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 11:57:200 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: group photo of LRO readers at Billing

The two pictures taken at Billing are now on the Web at 
http://www.euronet.nl/~sysadam/.

Daniel

SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V.
tel. +31 20 6136323
WWW  http://www.sys.nl

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