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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 20:47:24 +0900
From: Alan Logue <Logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: Various

You just got an order from Oz!

Put me down for two, and maybe a few more if you get Polo type with a collar

Alan

At 10:45 6/8/96 -0400, you wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>For those with text browsers only please email me with your name and address
>and I will mail you a list.
>Thanks.
  |          |
  |          |				Alan Logue
 _|__________|_____			South Australia
| |  _____   | |    \   _____		Ex Australian Army
| | |_____|  | |_____\_|_____|		Fitted For Radio
| [] 4MP COY []|     |        |  	Military Police
|   ____       | FFR | ____   |		Long Wheel Base
|__//  \\______|_____|//  \\__|		1978 Model
    \__/               \__/

No matter where you are bogged, the RED CAPS will find you!!!

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:31:06 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Free-wheel hubs

>New Discoverys (K -> ?) have an 11-spline front half-shaft.
>the 10-spline unit costs under 200 quid, the 11-spline unit costs nearly 400
>quid!!!

Well,it would,wouldnt it.Difficult to machine a prime number with ordinary
machine tools.I blame BMW.On principle.I *always* blame BMW.Worst move
ever made,that.
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:30:09 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Hydraulic Winch

The hydraulic winch in question is a Land Rover Winch consisting if 
winch unit, pto pump, controls, 20L oil tank.

The winch was originally fitted to Land Rover S2A Forward Controls 
Welding workshop as used by the South African Defence Force.

These vehicles where auctioned to the public over the last 13 odd 
years.

They are in the "optional equipment" listings and bear the LR logo on 
the casing.

Cheers
Brian - got one and love it-  Cotton
RSA  

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:23:07 +1100
From: m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miroslav Belik)
Subject: Gearbox and Steering box

Hi all once again,
>> A word of caution about gearboxes and their weight, use a jack to
>> guide, but not to lift, the ONLY safe way is to remove the floor and
>> gearbox cover and suspend the box on an engine crane, and if you
>> remove the seat boxes as well you can lift it out through the top !

> This is all well and true if you're taking the thing out in one great lump.

>Points taken but Mirek was asking about a stage 1 box.  These are a one
>piece casting (the t/case and g/box are one unit) and are designed to be
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>If they werent so expensive I might consider hiring one, but with the way
>the hire places charge you could just about buy one after 3 days...

I like Daryl can not afford to buy or rent a chain block, I can hardly
afford the new gearbox.
So what I think I need to do is lift the car , push the gearbox under the
car in the correct orientation
, hoist it up somehow (possibly with jack or two or three) to the level of
the fly wheel and try and fit it on. I have never done this before, and a
friend of mine who will be helping and has done a gearbox refit before says
its a huge job that way.

Any comments on this procedure are welcome, especially if someone has done
it this way before.

By the way, is there any way to adjust the travel in the steering box on an
LR. I have cheked everything else
and the slack is definitely in the box it self. Is the only option pulling
it appart and fxing it. The manual I have, mentions
nothing about adjustments of steering box.

Bye for now.
Mirek
Miroslav Belik                    Email: M.Belik@UWS.EDU.AU        
UWS, Macarthur               Phone: 018-028-708 or 61 2 823 9445
P.O. Box 555                     FAX:   61 46 203025              
Campbelltown, 2560                                                             
NSW      
Australia.
         

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:25:24 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: T-Shirt Designs

I've taken note of some suggestions on my design,

have a look at my page during the next few days (Thur, Fri, Sat), I'll
put some more variations up.

"Brain's African Travel Guide"
http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton

Cheers
Brian Cotton
SA or should that be TNSA ( The New South Africa ?) 

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:46:40 +0000
Subject: Re: Gearbox and Steering box

Quoting Miroslav Belik, from  7 Aug 96

> By the way, is there any way to adjust the travel in the steering box on
> an LR. I have cheked everything else and the slack is definitely in the
> box it self. Is the only option pulling it appart and fxing it. The
> manual I have, mentions nothing about adjustments of steering box.

This is based on a LHD series III 109:

Under the wheelarch, up near the steering wheel, is a coverplate held on 
by 4 (?) 3/8th (?) bolts - one of which goes through into the footwell and 
is just below the accelerator-pedal-shaft.

Take the cover off and get access to the big nut in the side of the 
housing. Tighten up & bingo!..

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:59:17 +0200
Subject: Re: Various

Ok, sign me up for two XL T-shirts...

Terje Krogdahl
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

-- 
**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--
Terje Krogdahl              Multix A/S            Phone   +47 2206 2600
E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lilleakerveien 31     Fax     +47 2206 2626
        support@multix.no   N-0283 OSLO, Norway   Support +47 2206 2628

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: re:  Gearbox and Steering box
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:11:09 +0200 (METDST)

| By the way, is there any way to adjust the travel in the steering box on an
| LR. 
My 1989 110 has a nutsecured bolt on top of the manual (!) steering box. Just 
loosen the nut and tighten up the bolt with a big screwdriver until the play
is gone. then secure the bolt again with the nut. Be careful not to get it
too tight when turning on the nut.
Hope this helps,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 09:16:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Not about T-shirts

viewed this morning on the Landrover.com website:

MANY WILDLIFE SPECIES INHABIT THE LAND ROVER
    DEMONSTRATION COURSE AT LANHAM CREEK ....

.... To date, there
    have been 13 mammals observed, 
                 ^^^^^^^
         MAMMALS: 
                                       
         Opposum (Didelphis marsupialis) 
         Eastern mole (Scalopus aquaticus) 
         Raccoon (Procyon lotor) 
         Red fox (Vulpes fulva) 
         Striped skunk (Mephitis mephitis) 
         Woodchuck (Marmota monax) 
         Eastern gray squirrel (Sciurus carolensis) 
         Beaver (Castor canadensis) 
         White-footed mouse (Peromyscus leucopus) 
         Muskrat (Ondatra zibethica) 
         Norway rat (Rattus norvegicus) 
         Eastern cottontail (Sylvilagus floridans) 
         White-tailed deer ((Odocoileus virginianus) 

There's that mammal/Land-Rover connection again...

Cheers

Dave "How about a "mammal" of Land-Rovers" B.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:24:30 -5
Subject: Re: LROshop web site

Jeffrey A. Berg writes:
> Still, it should be made clear that the information isn't being transmitted
> via secure methods so that people can make their own choice with all the
> information.

My point exactly. Giving the impression that it's as secure as a 
phone call is disingenuous. But it's ultimately up to the client side 
to decide.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:34:43 +0200
From: Ketil Kirkerud <ketilk@a.sn.no>
Subject: Re: Various

What the.. Sign me up for two T-shirts (XXL)

---Ketil

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:35:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LROshop web site

On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Absolutly not true.
> When you're calling on the phone it's a private conversation. The 
> internet isn't.

	True, but someone would have to intercept all the packets in the 
	transmission and put them back together again, or hack there way
	into the web site itself for the credit card information.
	More generally available secure site and transaction software
	is on the way.  Probably within the next year.

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:34:23 +0000
Subject: Re: rustproofing bulkheads

\>Has anyone attempted rustproofing the inside of a bulkhead while the
\>rest of the vehicle is still attached to it? In this climate it will
\>most definitely rust from the inside out. There is a drain hole at
\>the bottom of the door post that could be widened to get a tube with
\>sprayer nozzle all the way up the post, but what about the top hollow
\>sections, above and below the vents? Two possible access points are
\>the holes for the speedo cable and the corresponding blank on the
\>opposite side. Any experiences would be welcome. Thanks Allan

Get your Waxoyl injection tube - the long plastic thing with teh nail 
in teh end! - and stick it every hole in the bulkead and waggle it 
round a bit. This sort of stuff is what it's for.......

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:45:08 +0200
From: Ketil Kirkerud <ketilk@a.sn.no>
Subject: Re: Gearbox and Steering box

> From: m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miroslav Belik)

> I like Daryl can not afford to buy or rent a chain block, I can hardly
> afford the new gearbox.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Any comments on this procedure are welcome, especially if someone has done
> it this way before.

You'll have to cut off the crossmember underneath the gearbox to do it
from underneath. I know of one person who prefers to do it this way - 
but he's a professional mechanic, having access to a vehicle hoist, 
gas-axe, good MIG-equipment, etc. He can't be bothered to remove all
the interior/seats/floor.. 

On the other hand. This summer I went to the Danish Land-Rover club's
20th anniversary meet. And my gearbox decided to freeze up. Completely.
The only thing to do was : to remove all flooring/seats/seatbase from 
the car, pull the gearbox from _inside the vehicle_
(we were 3 persons doing this (hi Terje !), without too many problems), 
repair it, and then "refitting is the reverse of removal". 
(Though we were only two when we reinstalled it (hi again, Terje !)).

So, if you can get hold of a couple of friends, the easiest (equipment wise)
way to remove the gearbox is basically to lift it out. It's not _that_ 
heavy. 

Rgds,

---Ketil Kirkerud. ("Lillebil" : 1979 109" Petrol SW)

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 07:08:26 -0700
From: Jon Nyhus <bmc@syspac.com>
Subject: Re: Gearbox and Steering box

If you are going to go ahead with fitting the gearbox back into place with
only jacks the safiest way is to still open the floor in the centre area.
Place a long piece of stout wood through the front window area on top of the
lower doors halfs themselves, and fit a block and tackle (rope wound through
two or more pulleys) and tie it on to the gearbox so as to distribute the
weight and use it to assist and create that margin of safety.

Regards,    Jon

>Hi all once again,
>>> A word of caution about gearboxes and their weight, use a jack to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 36 lines)]
>NSW      
>Australia.

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From: Peter Reynolds <Peter_Reynolds@mktplace.com>
Date:  7 Aug 96  9:30:22 
Subject: t-shirt

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:46:46 +0000
Subject: Fitting alternative seats to Series III

This is prompted by Land Rover World's Q&A about alternative seats fitted 
to vehicles...

There are two main problems with alternative seats:
a) once the seat is bolted in place, it is difficult to remove the 
seatbox.
b) the cubby-hole under the seat becomes inaccessable.

I have (as of last night) got fancy seats in my 109, and solved both the
problems above.  I got my paws on the front seats of a Rover Vitesse and
have fitted them thusly:

1) Unbolt the seats, complete with adjusters from the car and remove the 
seats from the adjusters.

2) Make up two bars to hold the seats onto the seat base and bolt onto the 
seats.

3) Make mountings to hold the bars onto the seatbox and bolt in place.

Step 2 was, of course, the hard part.

My bars are made of 40mm flat bar and bent into an L shape: 700mm long
with a 60mm drop over the front of the seatbox. The Vitesse seats use two
bolts to hold the seat to the adjusters: One up through the plate and one
sideways on a bracket, both star headed bolts into captive nuts. The
mounting bracket was welded onto the bars about 250mm back from the
leading edge of the seat box and then the vertical hole was drilled to
line up with the nut in the seat frame.

A rear support was fabricated from angle-iron, with a recess sawn out of the 
top edge and a section of square-bar welded over the top to make a slot. 
This was bolted to the flat section between the seatbox and the rear 
bulkhead, and allows the seats to be slid forwards and out.

The front of the bars has a hole through with a bolt passes. The bolt is
clamped through the front of the seatbox and a second nut (soon to be
replaced by a wing-nut) is used to trap the front lip, thus stopping the
seat from sliding around.

This method allows me to remove the seat with (reletive) ease and utilise 
the cubbyhole under the seat.

If LRW or LROI happen to be at the SLROC Open Adventure Trail and Enduro 
(24th and 25th August respectively, see SLROC web pages for details) I can 
take the seats apart for you to see (and even do a write-up :-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:23:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Designs

On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Brian Cotton wrote:

> I've taken note of some suggestions on my design,

	Well, the European and African LRO members will like the globe...
	:-)  Almost need three designs, one with Oz centred, EU/Africa,
	and NA/SA centred...

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:30:51 -5
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Designs

Dixon writes:
> 	Well, the European and African LRO members will like the globe...
> 	:-)  Almost need three designs, one with Oz centred, EU/Africa,
> 	and NA/SA centred...
How about a globe with Solihull (highlighted) as the center?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:46:12 +0000
Subject: Re: T-Shirt Designs

> > I've taken note of some suggestions on my design,
>  Well, the European and African LRO members will like the globe...
>  :-)  Almost need three designs, one with Oz centred, EU/Africa,
>  and NA/SA centred...
The globe should be positioned with GMT vertically aligned on the front, 
with lines of longditude radiating around it.

Don't forget the summer axial tilt - about 40 degrees should be enough.. I 
can pick out Edinburgh if you want ;-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:13:27 -0700
From: parch@smmff.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: T-Shirts

Put me down for one or two size large t-shirts depending on the design and
the price
        Paul

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre
"87 Range-Rover-156,000 miles-going strong (Squeak)  

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: johnliu@earthlink.net
Subject: Better seating

If distance from the steering wheel is the problem, you might want to look
into an aftermarket wheel with less dish.  That would seem preferable to
cutting away the bulkhead which will badly devalue the car, prevent you from
ever fitting a pickup cab, and generally horrify most other LRO's! :-)
John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net (via HP200LX and NetTamer)

John Y. Liu

`[1;34;44mNet-Tamer V 1.05.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:50:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover gearbox jobs

For what it is worth, I have used a piece of pipe resting on the rails 
above the doors and a come-a-long to lift and remove gear boxes, and it 
works just fine.  The box isn't really that heavy, it is just a big chunk 
to have to move on your own.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:22:13 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Gatherings

Bill Adams wrote:
>If its all Range Rovers its a porcupine
Surely you mean enipucrop? Hard to pronounce, though!
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:22:11 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: What Do You Call A Bunch Of Land-Rovers? 

Dear all, maybe I am too conservative, but I would still call them a pride 
of Land-Rovers. Aren't we all proud of them?

Or should this be "pride and Prejudice"?

Anyway, have a nice day
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:22:15 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Splines on axles

Richard wrote:
>> >I'd like to add FWHs, but I think I might take this opportunity to find
>> >out how many splines I have before ordering...
>> Anything different from 24 would be a new subspecies (but then, with an 
>> Asian vehicle, who knows?).

>Apparantly there are two kinds - perhaps the other (?10) is for a different
>Solihull product?

I used to think the ten-spline axles were discontinued with the Series One, 
as the splines were a weak point. The more, the merrier. Now I am being told 
differently. Another firm belief shattered... 
Peter "ten-spline" Hirsch
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:58:10 PST
Subject: T/shirts ????HUH
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

Seems that I missed the web site where these designs can be seen-please
post it again

Thanks

Chris W

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:48:34 +0200
From: Defender@belgonet.be (Luc Rokegem)
Subject: brake conversion

Is it a straight fit to replace the rear drum brakes for original Landrover
disk brakes on a salisbury axle from a 110 ?  I need to now because I only
want to
replace them if they fit easily and I don't want to use parts for my 110 other
than original Landrover.  I now that on the new defenders they now use 
disk brakes so it sounds a good idea if I could replace my old drumbrakes
for the newer disk ones.   
 

            _______________    Luc Rokegem
           //   |          |   St-Pauwels (Belgie)
    ______//_ _ |          |#  defender@belgonet.be
    |   __            __   |#  http://www.belgonet.be/~bn000165/index.html
    |__/  \__________/  \__|  
       \__/          \__/      lawyers and Land-Rovers must be well greased

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:16:14 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)

Mike Rooth wrote:

>No mention of this "Defender" thingy at all!  Does one therefore assume
>that the Royal Family are driving something entirely different to the 
>rest of us poor mortals?

Well researched, Mike!  To go further, the "AP Stylebook", typesetting and 
phrasing bible to journalists everywhere, reads:

"LAND-ROVER.  With a hyphen.  Trade name for a British made four wheel drive 
vehicle."

When was it that the powers-that-be tried to abandon the all-important 
hyphen?  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:24:54 -0400
From: LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Various

Thanks for the response.  Have you checked our site at
http://web.idirect.com/~lroshop/

Please give us your feedback.

Regards
>Ok, sign me up for two XL T-shirts...

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lilleakerveien 31     Fax     +47 2206 2626
>        support@multix.no   N-0283 OSLO, Norway   Support +47 2206 2628

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:24:52 -0400
From: LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com>

        There is nothing stopping those who wish to order over
	our web site from doing so.  We do accept that there are some
who are wary of sending credit card information over the Internet.  They
feel that it is not safe. For those we offer an alternate service,
either by phone, fax or mail.
	
        There is really no secure software out there at this time
	for us to install.  The chances of someone intercepting the packets with
credit card information is very slim. The order file is regularly
	checked and purged from the system so no trace of the transaction 
	remains with idirect, our service provider. When accepted
	secure software does exist in a cost effective package we shall of
course install it.  The current secure servers are very
	expensive and complicated at this time.

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:18:14 -0400
From: LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: T-shirts (Summary)

This is the summary to date of interest in a digest/list T-shirt as at 7th
August, 1996.  Further requests/suggestions to us at lroshop@idirect.com  It
is becoming hard to keep track of list postings.

We offer this service in support of a good suggestion.  LRO Shop has no
interest in design, production or distribution of said T-shirt. Just want to
see it get done.

Thanks

Indicated orders
XXL	2+2
XL	3+2+2+2+2+2+1+2+2+2+3+1+2
L	2+2+1+2+2+1+2+2
M	1+2
S
Unknown	2+2
Kids	3+2

Those responding

Peter Reynolds
John Y. Liu
Richard Marsden (offers to handle UK distribution)
Brian Cotton (SA)
Jean Andre Gruneberg (SA)
Larry Smith (USA)
Ned Heite (USA)
Don Scott
Ian Stuart
Mark Talbot
Erik van Dyck (USA)
Rick Turner (offers to help with UK distribution)
Clinton D. Coates (Canada)
Mark Murphy (USA)
Bob Virzi
Paul Archibald
Ketil Kirkerud
Chris Wysocki
Terje Krogdahl (Norway)
Alan Logue (Australia)
Roger Sinasohn (USA)
David R. Bobeck
Paul Daintree
Tom Rowe (offers to set up database with designs and voting structure)
Wouter de Waal
David Place
David Rosenbaum
Dixon Kenner
AFSCO@aol.com
Peter J. Gronous
S.Vels
Ian Stuart (Mr.)
Bruce Curtis

Location of designs

"Brain's African Travel Guide" http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton
S.Vels http://www2.dk-online.dk/users/Soren_Vels_Christensen/contrib.htm

or 

http://www2.dk-online.dk/users/svels/contrib.htm

Other designs

http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/r/rapalmer/www

Suggestions

Need three designs - one for each continent
Need email address in design
No rubber
Polo Shirts?
3D LR logo (needs permission)
Window sticker as well?
Wheel Covers?
Set deadline
One location for design with option to vote
Design should include a Land Rover and a computer (one in each hand)
Keep it cheap
Keep design generic to provide bigger market (i.e. all lists)
Bronze/Green with yellow or white
Put design up on various web sites
Do it as a transfer for self application

Possible production sites

D90 owner Planet Sportswear (617-576-3333)

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:33:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: brake conversion

On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Luc Rokegem wrote:

> Is it a straight fit to replace the rear drum brakes for original Landrover
> disk brakes on a salisbury axle from a 110 ?  
>.
	There is an article in a recent LRW on this swap and how to do it.
	I faxed LRW about any differences with the Series III salisbury,
	but have not received a reply...

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:39:47 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: L-R hyphen 

At 07:16 PM 8/7/96 -0400, Alexander P. Grice <rover@pinn.net> wrote:
:>"LAND-ROVER.  With a hyphen.  Trade name for a British made four wheel drive 
:>vehicle."
:>
:>When was it that the powers-that-be tried to abandon the all-important 
:>hyphen?  Cheers
:>
:>      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
:>      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
:>      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
:>      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |

 The hyphen is alive and well at the "Land-Rover Owners' Association" (LROA),
 now a Nonprofit Nevada Corporation.  It's the "North America" that was cut
 from the name, in part to appease our Canadian members  :)

 LROA Member Services, PO Box 130, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

-Michael Carradine
 <cs@crl.com>

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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:43:01 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Window Channels

        I've just recieved my new window channels from Britich Pacific.  The
problem now is how to get the old ones out and the new ones in.  I looked
through the books I have (Repair Operations, and Handybook), but see nothing
on the topic in them.  I've yet to dig out my shop manual, but I'm not
hopeful there, either.  I usually need a supplement to its instructions,
anyway.  

        So, if any of you have suggestions, I'd be quite grateful.  Also, if
you can recommend any book on LR restoration, I'd be furthur obliged.

Thanks
C
'65 88" IIA SW (Rosencrantz)
'96 Disco (no name yet)

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:49:53 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: T-shirts (Summary)

On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com> wrote:

>XXL	2+2
>XL	3+2+2+2+2+2+1+2+2+2+3+1+2
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Unknown	2+2
>Kids	3+2

Thereby showing us the size-frequency distribution of LROs, which appears to be 
bimodal with the lesser mode indicating new recruits to the stock.
In population biology terms that little peak at 3+2 should  be increased 
significantly - they are the future XLs.

A "guess who's in the middle of analyzing sea urchin size data" S

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:01:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: OD Layshaft removal

So exactly how does one get the layshaft
out of an OD casing?  I have been staring
and prodding at the lump for about an hour
now to no avail.  The only way I can see of
doing it is to drill and tap out the lathe center
hole and make some kind of shaft puller.  Or
haul out the gas wrench.....

Thanks in advance

CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: L-R hyphen 

On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Michael Carradine wrote:

snipped

>  The hyphen is alive and well at the "Land-Rover Owners' Association" (LROA),
>  now a Nonprofit Nevada Corporation.  It's the "North America" that was cut
>  from the name, in part to appease our Canadian members  :)

What, Canada isn't in North America anymore?  Where is it?  
Is it all Bob now? 

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha"   *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: T-shirts (Summary)

On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Allan Smith wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com> wrote:
 
> >XXL	2+2
> >XL	3+2+2+2+2+2+1+2+2+2+3+1+2
> 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> >Unknown	2+2
> >Kids	3+2
 
> Thereby showing us the size-frequency distribution of LROs, which appears to be 
> bimodal with the lesser mode indicating new recruits to the stock.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> significantly - they are the future XLs.
> A "guess who's in the middle of analyzing sea urchin size data" S

Unlike sea urchins and other un-self-conscious populations that have 
normal recruitment patterns, future LRO XLs don't know that they are the 
newer, younger and therefore smaller members of the group (whatever it's 
called).  

What we have here is the expression of self-image as opposed to objective
size measurements. 

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha"   *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:04:05 -0100
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Better seating!!???

Let's get this straight. Alain bought a D90 and now wants comfortable
seats, too? The steering wheel is too close? As I recall, a certain
reviewer noted, when the Series I was introduced, that the seating was
"good for the posture." I suppose we'll next be hearing about stereo
systems for leaf-sprung machines!

Regards,

Ned Heite

P O Box 53
Camden, Delaware 19934 USA

_______
|___|__\_==    Heite Consulting
| _ |  | --]   archaeologists and Historians
=(O)-----(O)=  "Baby" short wheelbase Land Rover IIA 1969, 2.25 liter petrol
""""""""""""""""

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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:56:59 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Various

LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop wrote:
> T-shirts
> We have received lots of requests for the T-shirt project and we have as
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> and I will mail you a list.
> Thanks.

Put me down for two XL.

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:08:31 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Better seating!!???

Ned Heite wrote:

> I suppose we'll next be hearing about stereo
> systems for leaf-sprung machines!

Nah. But a cup holder sure would come in handy ;-)

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:13:32 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: T-shirts (Summary)

On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>> In population biology terms that little peak at 3+2 should  be increased 
>> significantly - they are the future XLs.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>What we have here is the expression of self-image as opposed to objective
>size measurements. 

I'm sorry you missed the intent, which was indeed an objective look at a small 
data set and a very obvious statistical interpretation of the data. Thanks to 
the two biologists who responded positively to that one.
Allan  

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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:58:52 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Suspension Woes

        While driving the IIA I recently purchased from Boulder, CO (where I
bought it), to Palo Alto, CA (where I live), I noticed that the direct
transmission of the force of going over bumps in the road to the base of my
skull was making me stupid by the end of the day.  I left my gas cap on the
roof of the vehicle on the next-to-last fillup of the trip.  
        I thought it was worth it to purchase new shocks, as that might
improve the ride, but having recieved them and inspected them, I think maybe
not.  (A little background:  I've never before worked on any car I've owned,
and know next-to-nothing about the workings of automobiles.  In fact, my
wife is almost certain that I've been taken over by aliens due to my sudden
interest in working on this Rover.  So suffice it to say that I'm learning a
LOT as I go along).  What lead me to this "shocks won't be enough"
conclusion was fiddling with the shocks out of the box I got from Overland
Motors.  I was suprised to find that there isn't any spring in them.  This
lead me to the following conclusion:  Shocks simply dampen the spring effect
from the springs in the suspension.  Thus, it seems to me that if the
problem is that I'm getting hard bumps when I go over rough roads, then
perhaps I need new springs.  The need for new shocks is apparent, too, as
they seem to be quite old.  
        Does this make sense to any of you?  Anyway, I'm going to do the
experiment this weekend.  I'll put on the shocks and if that doesn't help
enough, I'll order the springs.  Two bits of data:  when I jump up and down
on the front bumper, the front end doesn't move very much at all (I
weigh/mass 170lbs/80Kg, respectively), and it seems like it should.  When I
jump up and down on the front bumper of the Disco, it moves somewhat more,
and on the back it moves a LOT more (picture what my neighbors thought while
watching THAT experiment).  Also, the springs are not very bowed at all.  In
fact, they are almost straight.
        Mind you, I don't expect the thing to give a ride like the Disco,
but I at least hope I can get to the point where my brains don't rattle
about in my head while I'm driving it.

Thanks for any info,
C
'65 SIIA
'96 Disco

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:04:19 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Better seating!!???

At 11:04 PM 8/7/96 -0100, you wrote:
[8<]
>reviewer noted, when the Series I was introduced, that the seating was
>"good for the posture." I suppose we'll next be hearing about stereo
>systems for leaf-sprung machines!
[8<]
>Ned Heite
>P O Box 53
>Camden, Delaware 19934 USA

[8<]
        Too, late.  Look at the bit on the RoverWeb about Jeff Berg's IIA.
I'll soon be doing my solution--a Tuffy box which can hold a stereo in lieu
of the middle seat.  I still haven't figured out where to put the speakers,
though.  Takes conversion to negative earth, too.   Only problem may be
getting an amplifier to make the stereo louder than the transmission.  

        BTW, what's wrong with the 'Deluxe' seats?  I'm assuming that
they'll be better than the originals in my IIA.  

C
'65 SIIA
'96 Disco

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:07:43 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Better seating!!???

        Oh, yeah.  The Tuffy box from Oveland Motors has cup holders, too!
Should this thing be renamed the Tuffy Pandora's box?

C

At 09:08 PM 8/7/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Ned Heite wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Nah. But a cup holder sure would come in handy ;-)
>Cheers, Greg

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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:14:21 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Window channels

        Apologies for re-asking a recent question.  I've been swamped at
work, but that's lame--I should have read my %^$^%$ unread mail before posting.

Lamely,
C

At 07:41 PM 8/6/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Jeremy wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
>      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
>      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 22:20:16 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Window-channels

        That answers my channel question, but brings up another.  How do I
get the glass out before going to town on the rivets (which BTW, are actual
rivets in mine--not rust rivets--is that normal?).

C

At 11:25 AM 8/5/96 -0700, you wrote:
>You wrote: 
>>I know this has been asked before but I can't find it back in my mailboxes: 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>Jeremy
>P.S. I'm assuming lightweights are comparable to other series vehicles in this 
>regard.

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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:14:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: T-shirts (Summary)

Sorry Allan, I did get the point, and was taking it off in another 
direction.  Story of my life, I guess.  Didn't mean to be negative.  

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1969 LR Dormobile- "Bertha"   *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Allan Smith wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> the two biologists who responded positively to that one.
> Allan  

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: Better seating!!??? 
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:21:46 +0200 (METDST)

| of the middle seat.  I still haven't figured out where to put the speakers,
If you have a hardtop, you may do it like me. I mounted two pieces of plywood
right and left in the 'curves' of the hardtop just behind the front seats.
the lower edge sits in the rail that goes along the inside of the HT. The upper
edge I screwed onto a piece of wood (2x2x30cm) that I just glued to the HT
with epoxy glue (UHU plus). Works fine and stays up there for 7 months now.
To prefent rattle, I put some foam into the HT rail.
Cheers,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 10:12:57 +0200
From: Jody Scharrenborg <jody@cyberlab.nl>
Subject: Re: Better seating/sound

>| of the middle seat.  I still haven't figured out where to put the speakers,
I'm thinking of putting my radio there as well. The speakers will have to
be as close to my ears as possible, so they will be just behind the door,
as high as I can fit them.
>To prefent rattle, I put some foam into the HT rail.
Foam works fine against physical rattle, but does anyone know what to do
against the sound of the engine, being amplified by the radio? When my LR
is making more noise, I turn up the radio volume, resulting in even more
engine noise.

BTW. I love the sounds my LR makes more than most of the songs we here on
radio so...

Jody
S1 1955 daily driver.

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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:45:46 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: L-R hyphen

>What, Canada isn't in North America anymore?  Where is it?

Its where its always been.In the British Commonwealth of Nations.
:-)
Mike Rooth

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Date: 08 Aug 96 05:58:27 EDT
From: "Peter J. Gronous" <100617.1214@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Collective for Land Rovers

After much deep thought and consideration I have decided the collective for a
group of Land Rovers is "A Lode of Land Rovers". The Lode either refers to Lode
Lane or as in gold.

BTW an earlier reference to porcupines reminded me of a very old gag.
Q:	Whats the difference between a porcupine and a Range Rover on Wall St?
A:	The porcupine has the pricks on the outside!
(I use Wall St because it is the nearest I can think of where a 4x4 would be a
fashion accessory rather than necessary in US):-)

Peter J. Gronous 
Surrey, England 

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