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From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:06:47 -0400
Subject: Re: T-Shirts

In a message dated 96-08-04 12:51:42 EDT, you write:

>Oh wise keeper of the Sacred List,
>Put me down for two large and two extra large T-Shirts.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Larry Smith
>Chester, VA

I echo these sentiments.....i want two XL's please.....

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:10:33 -0400
Subject: Series 3 Parts Wanted

To all,

I have a speedo head calibrated in Kilometers ONLY for use with 16 inch
wheels.  Does anyone out there have a Miles per Hour or Dual reading speedo
they'd want to trade?

Second,  I'm looking for one of the headache pads for the rear of a Series
III SWB.  These are the pads that attach at the joint between the top and
side panels.  Really just need the steel base, as I want to recover the set.

To save bandwidth, please respond directly.

Thanks in advance.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 08:33:19 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: S I Restoration

>>> My short-term memory is not what it 
>>>used to be... Any suggestions?

>>>Regards
>>>Peter Hirsch
>>> (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Could be your approaching birthday...

Dave "Ha ha" B 
27 years old last May 12...
Arlington, VA.  USA

                

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 08:40:26 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Wheel bearings

>>Remove the stub axle, put it in a vise with the stub part facing up, use a
cold chisel, and carefully split the old race, striking blows parallel to the
axle line.

Did I miss something?

Yes :-)

Changing wheel bearings on my 3s and 2s, I've only used
a chisel for getting the outer race out of the inside of the hub. Never had
one stick to the stub axle. 

That would be difficult since the wheel bearing outer race doesn't touch the 
stub axle. What we are talking about is the race that the hub seal rides on. Its
pressed (or bashed) onto the stub axle right up against the flange that bolts to
the axle case.  Often fools people into thinking it's part of the stub axle.
Also when they get scored they simply will not form a seal and therefore spew 
gook all over your brakes...

Dave "or your customers' :-)" B.

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 08:51:28 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Hard Top questions

>>Tthere is a gap between the
>>body and the top joint that increases as you move forward from the very
>>back, to the front of the rear body.  Gap is probably about 1/4 inch.
      
I would guess that you need to shim the rear body up about 1/4" in front. 

I just put mine back on last night and NOTHING lines up properly. Not to mention
a SIII rear body has slightly different mounting holes than a SII frame. The 
rubbber pads on the bottom dont touch the frame pices that they are supposed to 
rest on, and the bottom edge of the rear panel is on the x-member. I'll get it 
sorted out though, everything can be adjusted there with a little creative use 
of drills and other dastardly equipment...

Haven't any other body pieces on at the moment so I don't know how it relates to
everything else...

Also...

WHat is the method for getting new springs to "relax". Mine are so tense and 
uptight that they hold the frmae up so high I can't get the shocks or check 
straps on, and couldn't even THINK of tightening the bushings. I figured the 
rear tub would help by adding some weight...

Thanks/Cheers

Dave "" B.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Wheel bearings
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:49:42 BST

> That would be difficult since the wheel bearing outer race doesn't touch the 
> stub axle. What we are talking about is the race that the hub seal rides on. Its
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Also when they get scored they simply will not form a seal and therefore spew 
> gook all over your brakes...

I've sort-of being trying to follow this conversation, as I'm going to 
have to change the seals on one of my front hubs. Its a bit hard to follow,
though, without the bits in front of me! Will I be able to get away with
just replacing the seals and gaskets?
Under what circumstances will I require new ball races and similar gizmos?

I'd like to add FWHs, but I think I might take this opportunity to find
out how many splines I have before ordering...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:15:27 -5
Subject: Re: Solicitation of Opinions from the All Knowing

 Harmless lunatic gentleman writes:

> following problem with his 1997cc petrol motor.  While ideling the 
> engine produces billowing blue cloud banks from the exhaust pipe.
This typical of bad rings.

>    Once on the throttle, accelerating (gathering speed), cruising etc. 
> the condition is not apparent. But ideling or puttering along in low 
> range first or second produces an apparant low-lying cumulous-nimbous 
> effect.
It's probably putting out just as much, it's just that when you're 
moving, it disperses faster.

>    Compression is a consistent 120 lbs. on all four. He assumes this is 
> not bad for an engine with 6.?:1 compression ratio. Inspection of this 
> motor and another similar reveal no intake valve oil seals - is this 
> normal? Also very poor oil drainage system from on top of head. Oil must 
> flow up-hill to push-rod holes which are mostly filled with push-rods. 
You could have good compression rings and your oil control rings 
could be shot. I don't know much about the seris one engine, but I'd 
be supprised if there weren't any valve seals. The signs of bad vlave 
guide seals is smoking on startup. When you shut down the oil runs 
down the guides, drips into the cylinders, and causes smoke on 
startup-until it burns off.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:18:47 -5
Subject: Re: TV sighting

> No one else appears to have posted this, so I guess I will. During the 
> CBC's Olympics coverage, a commercial for Sony camcorders had featured, 
> in some very quick cuts a couple tearing across rugged Andes-type terrain 
> in what appears to be an 86" SerI, well-worn and topless. Annoying 
> commercial, nice old Land Rover.

Of course I didn't post it. I e-mailed it last week to RN so *I'd* be 
the one to get a free mug. You didn't think you'd get fair warning did 
you? :-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 09:21:28 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Wheel bearings

> That would be difficult since the wheel bearing outer race doesn't touch the 
> stub axle. What we are talking about is the race that the hub seal rides on.
Its
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> Also when they get scored they simply will not form a seal and therefore spew 
> gook all over your brakes...

>>>> I'm going to have to change the seals on one of my front hubs...... Will I 
be able to get away with
just replacing the seals and gaskets?

only if the race is not scored or pitted

>>>>Under what circumstances will I require new ball races and similar gizmos?

if they are scored or pitted :-)

>>>>I'd like to add FWHs, but I think I might take this opportunity to find
out how many splines I have before ordering...

always worthwhile, IMO

Dave B.

BTW: the best description of the hub rebuilding/ resealing process I have ssen 
is in the Haynes/Lindsay Porter DIY restoration guide. Lots of photographs, and 
good explanations for those of us with limited know how...

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:37:43 -5
Subject: Re: Off-roading rule.

> "If you have two-wheel drive, you'll hike out two miles.  If you have
> four-wheel drive, you'll hike out four miles.  And if you have a winch,
> you'll hike out eight miles."

And if you have lockers it's be ten miles? Sounds like great fun to 
me.
An electric company employee in VT told me that he never uses 4wd to 
get *in* to a place. That way he's always got the reserve to get 
*out*.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:23:13 -0500
Subject: Re: S I Restoration - It never ends

> This is one of the major deceptions of LR ownership (or any old vehicle). You
> plan to do a few minor repairs, and without fully understanding how it
> happened, it is half diassassembled. You keep finding additional items that
> need repair, or are not quite right, or are just potential future trouble

Tell me about it! What started as a brake problem turned into $3000 worth of
frame and bulkhead and a million other pieces...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:29:55 -0500
Subject: relaxing springs

Dave wrote...

> What is the method for getting new springs to "relax". Mine are so tense and
> uptight that they hold the frmae up so high I can't get the shocks or check
> straps on, and couldn't even THINK of tightening the bushings. I figured the
> rear tub would help by adding some weight...

Lets see... I had the same problem when I did my suspension. Fronts: Wrapped
a goodly length of chain around the frame and then under the spring plate. I
found the longest bolt I could that would fit through the chain, pulled the 
chain tight and ran the bolt through links as far apart as would reach, then
(with washers) added a nut to the bolt and tightened it down. As the nut 
get tight, it pulls the chain and then pulls the spring closer to the frame.

Back: Had 4 adults in the tub to get the shocks on. I let it all settle for
a couple of test drives before the check straps would go on.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:08:28 -5
Subject: Re: Disgusting Attachments

Snip
> correct. This apparently came directly from the horse's mouth. Well, we'll 
snip

Well, we know what happens to hoses, now don't we. 
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 06:22:33 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wheel bearings

At 06:56 PM 8/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Remove the stub axle, put it in a vise with the stub part facing up, use a
>cold chisel, and carefully split the old race, striking blows parallel to the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>a chisel for getting the outer race out of the inside of the hub. Never had
>one stick to the stub axle. 

My fault, I was referring to the distance piece that fits on the stub axle,
against which the hub seal presses.  I shouldn't have called it a "race".

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From: Brian.Cotton@lia.infolink.co.za
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:47:10 +0000
Subject: T-Shirt order

Oh keeper of the holy T-Shirt:

I'll have one large and one medium PLEASE.

Cheers
Brian -Yes, here we have Bonnets-Cotton  
South Africa (Soon to be in somewhere between South and North)

http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton   (Brian's African Travel Guide)

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 11:33:29 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: British Northwest Land Rover

Hi all,

Just a question, anyone heard of or know about British Northwest Land Rover 
in Olympia, WA?  Saw them advertised in Hemmings and wondered if they're 
reputable.  My younger brother who lives in Seattle is looking for a LR or RR
in good condition which would be a daily driver but also have weekend duty. 
(Mostly getting into whitewater rafting areas). He is looking for a relatively
trouble free vehicle and would prefer buying from a commericial place rather than
a private party.
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: T-Shirt order
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:55:53 BST

If anyone actually is keeping a record, I'll have 1 or 2 large sized t-shirts
(depending on the final design...).

I've offered to handle "importing" the shirts into the UK, if they're
going to be produced in the US or RSA...

Richard

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Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover 
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 09:38:35 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us>

In message <bulk.6480.19960805084457@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> Just a question, anyone heard of or know about British Northwest Land Rover 
> in Olympia, WA?  Saw them advertised in Hemmings and wondered if they're 
> reputable.  

	About 1 year ago I saw a 109" SIIA that he was selling.  It had a
very nice paintjob.  Mechincally I dunno.  His price was $40,000.  (yes 4
zeros).  If his prices are still that high, you might find a better
deal somewhere else.  Caveot Emptor. 

Ben
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 09:42:35 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: A pile of Rovers??

At 10:25 AM 8/2/96 -0500, you wrote:
[...]
>Dear All, especially those out west,
>        I was just reading my new Hemming Motor News, and found an ad for a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>lightweights, etc. over 100 tons new, used parts, 275,000 for all. AMEI
>PoBox 111 O'Brien, OR, USA, 97534 or call 541-596-2177.
[...]
>        See ya!
>From: Mike Smith
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
>        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

        I just called them, and they said the parts are in Phoenix.  They
don't want to sell anything individually, yet, but will consider it in a
couple of months.   I'll try back in the beginning of October.

C

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 17:44:38 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Swivel balls

>>> The hardest part is getting undoing the damn bolts that hold the 
>>> swivel balls to the axle casing.

Don't undo the bolts. Cut them off - I used a junior hacksaw to get the 
rusty relics off my casing joint. You will not be able to re-use the old 
nuts and bolts anyway, so buy a new set. Then the job is much easier. 

You may want to consider fitting gaiters over your new swivels, and now 
would be the time to do it. Trouble is, you then won't be able to see 
what's happening to your balls.

-- 
David Olley
...............................................................
New Concept
PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
...............................................................

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 12:46:42 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Make your own shirts!

One way around all the logistical hassle of printing shirts is to have 
everyone make up their own using an iron-on transfer.
These can be made by downloading the agreed .tif design file from a 
website and printing it on a color printer. Then one can simply use a hot 
iron to transfer the design to the shirt of their choice. Cheap solution.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 17:51:51 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Wheel bearings

>> Did I miss something? Changing wheel bearings on my 3s and 2s, I've only used
>> a chisel for getting the outer race out of the inside of the hub. Never had
>> one stick to the stub axle.

In following the convoluted answers to the original question, I concluded that the 
intended victim of the chisel was the oil seal ring on the stub axle next to the 
brake backing plate. This is the only item which needs force to remove.

Removing it is made surprisingly simple if a small hole is drilled into the side of 
the ring (it is only mild steel). A small, sharp chisel driven into the corner of 
the ring next to this hole will slacken it enough for it to be slid off the stub. 
Breaking it apart is unnecessary. The trouble with brutal force with chisels is 
that you may actually tighten it on the the stub by distorting it.

Be gentle with your Land Rover.

Then kick shit out of it if that doesn't work.

-- 
David Olley
...............................................................
New Concept
PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
...............................................................

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 12:50:11 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Swivel balls

>Trouble is, you then won't be able to see 
>what's happening to your balls.

If ever a straight line was fed, this is it.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:58:37 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: S I Restoration - It never ends

David said:

>Peter plans to do a little bit of work on his SI
 snip
>This is one of the major deceptions of LR ownership (or any old vehicle). You
>plan to do a few minor repairs, and without fully understanding how it
>happened, it is half disassembled. 

Called shipfitter's disease, AFAIK.

>You keep finding additional items that
>need repair, or are not quite right, or are just potential future trouble,
>and decide that since things are alread apart there won't be a better time to
>deal with them. 

Not me. I am mechanically inept, I can't weld, I am a slim intellectual and 
can't lift heavy items, and my wife won't help me. I'm relatively safe.

>So you take some more apart, discover yet more to do, and
>the cycle is repeated. Years later the LR is finally back on the road, or
>gathering dust.

And what's more, I have already procrastinated more than a year, getting the 
(un)necessary tools, books, addresses of suppliers and spare parts. Lots of 
fun, especially the tools. I am organized. Now I will just rush ahead, and 
nothing can stop me (except that maybe L. R. fasteners will be out of the 
correct sheradized bolt, damn it).

>The opposite phenomenon is possible. You ignore the other problems, just do
>what you planned, and several days later it is take everything back off to
>fix it. At least the bolts are free.

This will happen to me on June 17, 1997, near Landmannalaugar in Iceland. Or 
maybe at Kverkfjoell. And I will have everything on board except the one 
tool that is needed. And Olaufur will not be able to get away from his job 
and help me.

>I started to replace the brakes and clutch hydraulics on our SII PU, and now
>everything ahead of the bulkhead other than the axle and springs has been
>removed, and the cylinder head is off the engine. But I'm making progress.

That stage is safely behind me, done all the brakes, and the clutch is not 
hydraulic. And I am not making much progress.

Thanks for your warnings, anyway. Have you read Practical Classics & Car 
Restorer on Land Rover Restoration? It is a real "classic" - they start a 
small-scale rolling restoration, and in the end hand over the vehicle to my 
least favourite supplier in the UK and let him do whatever he wants. Should 
be required reading - except that we would never be so foolish, would we?
Good Rovering

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:05:44 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Make your own shirts!

At 12:46 PM 8/5/96 -0400, Bill Adams <badams@usia.gov> wrote:
:>One way around all the logistical hassle of printing shirts is to have 
:>everyone make up their own using an iron-on transfer.
:>These can be made by downloading the agreed .tif design file from a 
:>website and printing it on a color printer. Then one can simply use a hot 
:>iron to transfer the design to the shirt of their choice. Cheap solution.

 You lost me there, Bill.  What type of color printer do you use
 (Ink-Jet?), and what do you print on (special iron-on material)?

 Maybe just snail-mail people iron-on images for their own T's, sweats,
 etc?

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: johnliu@earthlink.net
Subject: T shirts - Order

I'd take two size L shirts.  Ideally we could have a sleeveless (tank top)
available.
John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net (via HP200LX and NetTamer)

John Y. Liu

`[1;37;41mNet-Tamer V 1.02.2 - Test Drive

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:25:13 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Window-channels

You wrote: 

>I know this has been asked before but I can't find it back in my mailboxes: 
>how do you start to replace the window channels? 

>Philippe Carchon 

The channels are held in place by screws hidden in the "felt" (or whatever has 
replaced it) at the base of each channel.  Traditionally these become "rust 
rivets" not readily removed by mere mortal screwdrivers :)

cheers,

Jeremy

P.S. I'm assuming lightweights are comparable to other series vehicles in this 
regard.

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 14:29:41 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Make your own shirts! More info...

Cannon makes special paper for iron-on transfers for bubble-jet printers.
The tektronix laser unit here at work uses hot dyes that melt when heated 
making them easy to iron on a shirt. Again, special paper.
I think most color laser and bubble jet printers will produce an image 
that can be ironed onto a shirt. Cotton works best. And iron on a glass 
or formica surface for best results
Just download the *.tif file into any graphics software (Paint Shop Pro 
is great shareware/freeware for this: www.jasc.com/product.html) and 
print. Obviously the image will be backwards until it's transferred to 
the shirt.
This way, one can print as many copies as necessary without worrying 
about whether it will get killed by our postal workers.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: 05 Aug 96 15:54:20 EDT
From: "Peter J. Gronous" <100617.1214@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: More restoration manuals and books

Further to my previous message , prompted by Ofir, in my library of Land Rover
books I found two more I have which budding restorers may be interested in. One
is "Practical classics & car restorer on Land Rover restoration" which is an A4
paperback 72pps reprinted from the magazine articles from 1985 about restoring a
1957 series one. The other is "Land Rover Restoration tips & Techniques"
published by LRO magazine A4 paperback 100pps both printed and distributed as
Brookland Books.

Peter J. Gronous
Surrey, England

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: johnliu@earthlink.net
Subject: British Northwest Land Rover

On Mon, 05 Aug 1996 Land-Rover-Owner said to johnliu@earthlink.net
   >Hi all,
   >Just a question, anyone heard of or know about British Northwest
   >Land Rover in Olympia, WA?  Saw them advertised in Hemmings and
   >wondered if they're reputable.  My younger brother who lives in
   >Seattle is looking for a LR or RR in good condition which would be
   >a daily driver but also have weekend duty. (Mostly getting into
   >whitewater rafting areas). He is looking for a relatively trouble
   >free vehicle and would prefer buying from a commericial place
   >rather than a private party. --
   >Nate Dunsmore
   >Rocking Horse Farm
   >Boring, MD 21020
   >dunsmo19@us.net
Charles Kellog of BNWLR does nice-looking restorations.  Your brother
should call him for his list of vehicles currently available.  Better yet,
he should visit BNWLR; Charles has a nice big shop with all sorts of
interesting LR stuff and usually several LR's for sale or being serviced.
His prices for full-blown restorations
can be high but he sometimes has, or can locate, a "driver" at
more modest prices.

A thought, though: in general, I do not think buying from a commercial
business rather
than a private party necessarily means a trouble-free vehicle.  I say
this after seeing people's experiences with LR's bought from various
commercial concerns, including a $25,000 SIIA/coil-spring conversion
imported from Warwick in the U.K.  Perhaps your brother could do just as
well at less cost with private parties by selecting carefully and getting a
thorough mechanic's checkout.  This comment is more directed at an old LR;
it wouldn't necessarily apply if he
buys a RR that is new enough that he can get a warranty from the dealer or
an extended warranty from another company.

John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net (via HP200LX and NetTamer)
1962 109 SIIA
John Y. Liu

`[1;30;43mNet-Tamer V 1.02.2 - Test Drive

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:22:49 -0700
From: Jon Nyhus <bmc@syspac.com>
Subject: Re: Hydraulic Winch

Sorry, I missed the first part of this message.  From this following am I to
understand that this is in reference to a Hydraulic powered winch for a LR?
If so is it the Mile Maker unit?  I am looking for a hydraulic driven winch
like the above unit in the 10,000 lbs. range to fit a D90. 

>The center mounted h/winch has 2 knobs inside the cab:
>1) A knob that moves from center off up to bring cable in, down to let
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>operates the "free spooling of the winch.
>I lets the drum unwind freely or under wingh control.
>For more info mail me directly.

Thanks, 

Jon

--------------------------------------------------------------
British Motor Classics, Ltd.,  
8828 N. Black Canyon Hwy #1
Phoenix,  AZ  85051  USA
602.995.2028     FAX 602.995.1909     
E-Mail  bmc@syspac.com  

British auto restoration for all marques,
Car sales & locating service, Spares sales

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:26:11 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Ground tackle

Regarding anchors - Pull-Pall, Danforth and etc., the advantage to the 
Pull-Pall is that it generally come apart and folds up.  Extracting it is 
supposed to be easy.  A proper-sized Danforth for a Rover would be at least 
a 36 pounder (I use a 24# for a 32' sailboat) and it would take up a *big* 
part of the load bay.

A better anchor - it comes apart and folds flat AND it's made of aluminium - 
is the "Fortress".  CG tests tout that it has more holding power than any 
other for its weight.  We have one of those for a 'storm hook'.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:39:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Make your own shirts!

The idea of the transfer is the best I have heard yet.  That way you 
don't have to deal with all the around the world tariffs etc.  You can 
also apply them to whatever you want including the Rover.  Vote me in if 
you go this way.  Dave VE4PN

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:50:48 -0400
Subject: Re: S I Restoration - It never ends (II)

Peter responds to my dire warnings that disassembly is the natural state of
LRs

>>I started to replace the brakes and clutch hydraulics on our SII PU, and
now
>>everything ahead of the bulkhead other than the axle and springs has been
>>removed, and the cylinder head is off the engine. But I'm making progress.
>That stage is safely behind me, done all the brakes, and the clutch is not 
>hydraulic. And I am not making much progress.

Actually the brakes and clutch hydraulics are replaced. It was after thinking
I was about to start reassembly that the steering column came out, the
capstan winch, rad and rad panel came off and the engine was pulled. Actually
it was all perfectly logical.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:01:26 -0400
Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover

Nate wonders about a major advertiser in Hemmings:

>Just a question, anyone heard of or know about British Northwest Land Rover 
>in Olympia, WA?  Saw them advertised in Hemmings and wondered if they're 
>reputable.  My younger brother who lives in Seattle is looking for a LR or
RR
>in good condition which would be a daily driver but also have weekend duty.

His prices seem high for the restored vehicles although he claims to replace
almost everything. My impression is that he prefers to sell restorations
rather than used vehicles. A good indication of the attitude may be the
latest ad about having to do $23,000 of work on a LR someone had purchased
from a competitor for $17,000 in order to make it "correct"

I have purchased some parts without any problems which were shipped promptly,
although check prices and if in-stock as with any supplier. He seems to have
some hard to find stuff, although I suspect I've now run across several, if
not most of his British sources.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:11:39 +1100
From: m.belik@uws.edu.au (Miroslav Belik)
Subject: SIII Stage I Gearbox

Hi all,

This weekend I am planning to put in a new transmission into my newly
acquired landrover, many people told me not to bye one as you spend many a
sundays underneath it. I went out and bought one with great gusto anyway.
The guy I bought it of told me that the 3rd gear kept popping out, so I was
prepared to change the gearbox eventually. Well eventually turned out to be
a lot sonner, as on the way home with my newly acquired truck, the transfer
box died and I was left with low grear only.

Anyway my bank account is short (sooner then expected) and I just wanted to
make sure that I dont stuff the gearbox replacement. I have read the land
rover manual for the reffiting and that basically says " offer the
transmission to the engine". 

THUS:  If there are any hints on how to do this job or things that I should
look out for, could you please let me know. It could save me a lot of time
under the car,  I would rather spend time in it.

Overall I think the LR's are great trucks and I dont regret bying it, as I
know that with a bit (may be a lot) of love and care it will come up great.

Thanks
Mirek.
Miroslav Belik                    Email: M.Belik@UWS.EDU.AU        
UWS, Macarthur               Phone: 018-028-708 or 61 2 823 9445
P.O. Box 555                     FAX:   61 46 203025              
Campbelltown, 2560                                                             
NSW      
Australia.
         

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 16:20:12 -0700
From: Wilbert <smee@ix.netcom.com>

help
list
end

Success is the ability to go from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 02:47:55 +0400
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: Hard Top questions

At 09:33 PM 8/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Boy am I excited!!  I finally got the wiring set on the rear lights this
>weekend and then bolted the rear body to the frame.  In my euphoria(and for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
>4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA
>hi John
i'm not femiliar with the problem you mentioned but noticed your interest in
Italian bikes.Now I'm starting to restore an s1 80" 1951(?) rover but I also
found a Ducati 1969 250cc sport replica.Its all original exept the seat
which is missing.It has less than 4,000 miles on the spidometer( also an rpm
meter) renforced aluminum wheels, "small"  front ,head light on a
"spring".The only thing needed to use it is a 6v batary and some wires that
is cut.almost no rust.
also it has no licens plates.
if you know anything aboat this model let me know. even directly to me .
Me and all my friends use ONLY Italian bikes.I had a suzuki DR600 which i
was very happy to sell. What made it go was only a De luarto carb' from an
old motto guzzi 850cc.
bye 
ofir nahari
ofir_n@mail.inter.net.il
>Boy am I excited!!  I finally got the wiring set on the rear lights this

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:22:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: T-Shirts, Grease Packing Hubs

I realize this is probably a bit 
belated as I have spotty acess to
the net.  However, put me down 
for a couple of t shirts (large)
please.

Some ideas to add to the pot.
1) LROshop doing it-good idea
2) How about someone from each
major continent doing it up, this
could save on exchange, duty and
shipping (but might ding us on
quantity discounts)
3) How about something with the LR
logo in gold and green with some
appropriate text, then have a bunch
of small pen and ink style drawings
of various lode lane products in the
background.  Something like what is
in the RN catalogue ID-your-rover
section perhaps?
4) I put my vote in for silkscreening
I do not like the plastic crap.
5) A far as cost.  I would rather
pay an extra 2$ for something I really
like.  Besides, if cost is a problem,
why are we driving land rovers?

Hubs again.  From my manual it seems
that:
1) Oil filled hubs are filled with oil
once seals are replaced, end float
re-established and driving flange
replaced.  The manual says nothing
of leaving the oil to percolate in through
the felt seals.
2) Grease packed hubs are grease packed
to act as an additional barrier to oil
leakage through the oil seal.  Some grease
is supposed to be placed between the bearing
to act as a resvoir.  Also the driving flange
is supposed to be packed with grease, which
will further stop oil infiltration from the
main axle.

So (correct if this is wrong) either
put oil in and change at intervals,
or pack with grease and inspect/change
at intervals.

Also, check to see if one of the drive
flange bolt holes taps right into the
hub.  If this is the case, you can use 
the hubs with oil.

Further, if one wades a lot, would 
oil filled hubs be better? Water
contamination would be a quick
drain-and-fill remedy.  Grease
packing would require a new seal,
grease re-packing and re setting
end float.  There are double lipped
seals out there for the faint of 
heart (AJR listening?)

Regards
CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:23:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Yukon Ho!

Wow! I kind of expected that about one person
would reply to my query.  So far seven people
have replied showing interest from:
-Redwood Valley Calif
-Chicago Ill.
-Calgary Alta.
-Somewhere in the UK
-Vancouver B.C.
-Somewhere, World
-Winnipeg Man.

I have not really finalized anything beyond
"sometime next summer".  I had thought more
or less sometime in August for about three
weeks (depends on itinerary etc.).  I cannot
afford to take too much more time as summer
is my major $ making time.  It is hard to
do archaeology in frozen ground (it *has*
been done though!).

It would be difficult to do the northern
mega-trip in this time frame unless equipped
with rally spec vehicles.  My idea was to
do something like drive up through Alberta
into the Northwest Territories.  Go across
the Dempster Highway to Dawson City and do 
the "top of the world" highway into Alaska.
I do want to hit Discovery Days in DC if
possible (i have to find out when...will
check the travel guides).
Drive down to Whitehorse and trundle back
down the Alaska Highway or the Stewart-
Cassiar. I would kind of prefer the 
S-C, as it is a lot more like what the
Alaska Hwy of my childhood was like-dirt,
rocks and ruts.  It is also very spectacular.
Depending on time, a side trip to Skagway
might be possible over the White Pass RR.
Or via Hanes Junct.

I have not sat down with a map yet to
figure out travel time and such not
so everything is fairly vague.

Does anyone who has contacted me
wish to NOT have their name distributed
to the others?  It might be better to
conduct the bulk of planning etc.
off-list to save bandwidth.

Regards
CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 20:24:24 -0500
From: hilltop <hilltop@advantage.ca>
Subject: Thanks & Series I Manual

Hello All;
   Been on this LRO list for about three weeks and have picked up lots 
of tips and information both directley through my own queries and from 
reading along as well. Thanks a bunch!
   Anyone have a suggestion where I could get a Series I manual in North 
America, preferably Canada, or must they be ordered from across the 
pond?
Ronald Louch
1956 86" daily driver
1958 88" restoration/parts vehicle limbo

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Aug 96 20:39:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Swivel balls

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: SIII Stage I Gearbox
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:31:07 +0930 (CST)

Mirek asks:
> The guy I bought it of told me that the 3rd gear kept popping out, so I was
> prepared to change the gearbox eventually. Well eventually turned out to be
> a lot sonner, as on the way home with my newly acquired truck, the transfer
> box died and I was left with low gear only.
 
Are you sure that this is a stage 1 LT95 box ?  Jumping out of 3rd is a 
common problem with the std series box, but I've not heard of it with 
LT95's.

what happens when you engage high range, grinding/grating or just nothing ???

I've had the transfer pop out of high range into neutral a couple of 
times.

> THUS:  If there are any hints on how to do this job or things that I should
> look out for, could you please let me know. It could save me a lot of time
> under the car,  I would rather spend time in it.

The LT95 is a *heavy* G/box, it is also difficult (near impossible) to 
balance on just one floor jack.  Fortunately the removable x/member 
makes removing this box a little easier than the std series box.   Make 
sure that the oil pump gears and gaskets are OK before you fit the box, 
you will not want to pull it for no reason.  Also make sure that the 
high-low selector shaft is correctly engaged with the shift forks before 
you fit the box.

Be *very* careful when installing this box, we had difficulties balancing 
it on the floor jack and if/when it falls off you dont want to be 
anywhere near it.

best of luck finding a box

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: SRIIa Shocks

Now that I have the news 16-inch wheels and tyres I need to turn my
attention to the shocks on the beast. I know some aftermarket shocks will
work. What are they and where can I get them?

Chris Stevens

1969 SRIIa SW 88"
Towson, MD

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: British Northwest Land Rover
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:58:55 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This company is owned and operated by Charles Kellogg...

Many old-time LRO's know of this fellow. He started his *company* (The =
Great North American Land Rover Company) in the `70s in the Boston area =
and left Boston in the early eighties. His new company ended up, I =
believe, in Olympia, WA.

He advertised (back then) many, many custom-made/fabricated items for =
series Land Rovers - many of them in stainless steel. To EVERY single =
inquiry I made at the time concerning ordering some of these pieces, I =
never had ONE phone call returned.

When we started the BSROA in 1992, we solicited all of the known vendors =
to take out advertisements in the Club publication. I received only a =
pile of British Northwest's flyers promoting a $15 catalog (!!) which =
hadn't even been published at the time!! In other words, instead of =
taking out an ad, the Club was supposed to spend the postage to mail out =
these flyers!!

In Charlie's defense, he is still in business. I have heard that his =
restorations are top-notch albeit pricey. People are willing to pay for =
quality these days. And obviously, he is doing quite well. Time can =
change people for the better, we all know that. So, if I've unwittingly =
slammed Mr. Kellogg, I apologize in advance. It certainly is not my =
intent to start yet another pointless flame war. Simply offering my =
personal experience with this establishment.

Those of you who have dealt with Mr. Kellogg successfully - I apologize =
also. If you're happy, then you did o.k.!

Enjoy those old Rovers!!

Cheers
Jim

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 NAS D110 (457/500)
`95 NAS D90 #1958
`96 DISCO SE7(M)
SAS PINK PANTHER 10FG56

----------
From: 	johnliu@earthlink.net[SMTP:johnliu@earthlink.net]
Sent: 	Monday, August 05, 1996 10:49 AM
Subject: 	British Northwest Land Rover

On Mon, 05 Aug 1996 Land-Rover-Owner said to johnliu@earthlink.net
   >Hi all,
   >Just a question, anyone heard of or know about British Northwest
   >Land Rover in Olympia, WA?  Saw them advertised in Hemmings and
   >wondered if they're reputable.  My younger brother who lives in
   >Seattle is looking for a LR or RR in good condition which would be
   >a daily driver but also have weekend duty. (Mostly getting into
   >whitewater rafting areas). He is looking for a relatively trouble
   >free vehicle and would prefer buying from a commericial place
   >rather than a private party. --
   >Nate Dunsmore
   >Rocking Horse Farm
   >Boring, MD 21020
   >dunsmo19@us.net
Charles Kellog of BNWLR does nice-looking restorations.  Your brother
should call him for his list of vehicles currently available.  Better =
yet,
he should visit BNWLR; Charles has a nice big shop with all sorts of
interesting LR stuff and usually several LR's for sale or being =
serviced.
His prices for full-blown restorations
can be high but he sometimes has, or can locate, a "driver" at
more modest prices.

A thought, though: in general, I do not think buying from a commercial
business rather
than a private party necessarily means a trouble-free vehicle.  I say
this after seeing people's experiences with LR's bought from various
commercial concerns, including a $25,000 SIIA/coil-spring conversion
imported from Warwick in the U.K.  Perhaps your brother could do just as
well at less cost with private parties by selecting carefully and =
getting a
thorough mechanic's checkout.  This comment is more directed at an old =
LR;
it wouldn't necessarily apply if he
buys a RR that is new enough that he can get a warranty from the dealer =
or
an extended warranty from another company.

John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net (via HP200LX and NetTamer)
1962 109 SIIA
John Y. Liu

`[1;30;43mNet-Tamer V 1.02.2 - Test Drive

------ =_NextPart_000_01BB831A.0AE838C0

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:28:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Solicitation of Opinions from the All Knowing (Valve seals)

In response to SI inquiry:

> Inspection of this 
>motor and another similar reveal no intake valve oil seals - is this 
>normal?

SI (intake valves) and early SII/IIA engines do not have VISIBLE valve oil
seals. The seals are "o-rings" which sit in grooves inside the valve guides,
are not visible until the valves are removed. Later SIIA/III engines used a
"hat" style which sits on top of the valve guide.

David Cockey

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From: RSTES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:21:55 -0400
Subject: land rovers 

harry,thanks for the updates on rovers for sale.do you still have the series
one add?looking foward to getting together soon.hows the work prospects?
 your friend ron

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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 20:08:15 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: What Do You Call A Bunch Of Land-Rovers?

You have a gaggle of geese, a pod of whales, a pride of lions, a school of
fish, a flock of birds, herd of cows, pack of wolves, and of course the
oft-mentioned exultation of larks . . . so what is a "bunch" of Land Rovers?

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:27:53 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: British Northwest Land Rover

Jim,

>This company is owned and operated by Charles Kellogg...

That's the fellow!

>Many old-time LRO's know of this fellow. He started his *company* (The =
>Great North American Land Rover Company) in the `70s in the Boston area =
>and left Boston in the early eighties. His new company ended up, I =
>believe, in Olympia, WA.

I remember him from when he first moved to Washington and was still dba GNALRC.

>He advertised (back then) many, many custom-made/fabricated items for =
>series Land Rovers - many of them in stainless steel. To EVERY single =
>inquiry I made at the time concerning ordering some of these pieces, I =
>never had ONE phone call returned.

I did; he called COLLECT!  One of these days I'm going to make some long
calls to him on his 800 number!  He just loves that!

>In Charlie's defense, he is still in business. I have heard that his =
>restorations are top-notch albeit pricey. People are willing to pay for =
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>intent to start yet another pointless flame war. Simply offering my =
>personal experience with this establishment.

They look beautiful, over-restored, rather.  But I have it from those who
know best (Pacific Coast Rover Club members who've dealt with him) that it
tends to be skin-deep and his LRs are Oh! So pricey!!
>Those of you who have dealt with Mr. Kellogg successfully - I apologize =
>also. If you're happy, then you did o.k.!
>quality these days. And obviously, he is doing quite well. Time can =

I'll wager they are few in number.

I also have no desire to start a flame war and that's why I'm sending this
privately.

Regards,

Granville "Granny" Pool
Redwood Valley, CA USA
'73 Ser III (the Snark)

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: What Do You Call A Bunch Of Land-Rovers?
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:39:54 -0600 (MDT)

: You have a gaggle of geese, a pod of whales, a pride of lions, a school of
: fish, a flock of birds, herd of cows, pack of wolves, and of course the
: oft-mentioned exultation of larks . . . so what is a "bunch" of Land 
: Rovers?  

The Arizona club calls their chapters "puddles" (as in leaks).
Other possibilities:  "flicker" (as in Lucas), "alpha and omega" (as in 
"first because it lasts").  Myself, I think it's the sexiest vehicle ever 
made, so how 'bout an "orgy".

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 12:43:58 -0800
From: James Mercer <james@babbage.cs.murdoch.edu.au>
Subject: Re: What Do You Call A Bunch Of Land-Rovers?

>You have a gaggle of geese, a pod of whales, a pride of lions, a school of
>fish, a flock of birds, herd of cows, pack of wolves, and of course the
>oft-mentioned exultation of larks . . . so what is a "bunch" of Land Rovers?

Hmmm.... Let's see...

A Clatter of Land Rovers seems most approriate..

Later,
James. 

O=============================================================O
| James Mercer                        james@cs.murdoch.edu.au |
| Professional Officer                                        |
| School of Physical Sciences, Engineering and Technology     |
| Murdoch University                  Ph: +61 9 360 2790      |
| Murdoch, WA 6150, Australia         Fx: +61 9 360           |
O=============================================================O
 

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:29:45 -0700
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Yukon

You wrote:
> I have not really finalized anything beyond
> "sometime next summer".  I had thought more
> or less sometime in August for about three
> weeks (depends on itinerary etc.).

I spent 3 weeks in Aug-93 doing a similar trip.  However, instead of
going to Alberta I spent more time in Alaska.

> It would be difficult to do the northern
> mega-trip in this time frame unless equipped
> with rally spec vehicles.
> weeks (depends on itinerary etc.).

Because of the very long days, you can cover a lot of sight-seeing 
miles.

My idea was to
> do something like drive up through Alberta
> into the Northwest Territories.  Go across
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> possible (i have to find out when...will
> check the travel guides).

Get a copy of the Milepost.  I think it is invaluable for travel in the
Northwest.

> Drive down to Whitehorse and trundle back
> down the Alaska Highway or the Stewart-
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Alaska Hwy of my childhood was like-dirt,
> rocks and ruts.  It is also very spectacular.

I think the Cassiar may be paved by next year.  When I started up the
Cassiar 11-12 years ago in a VW Vanagon, I turned back because the road
was in terrible shape.  In 1993 it was a rough gravelled road with
some paved sections and it looked like a lot more paving was on the 
way.

There are a lot of side roads off the Top of the World Highway and the
Dempster that will never be paved.

> Depending on time, a side trip to Skagway
> might be possible over the White Pass RR.
> Or via Hanes Junct.

You could take the Alaska Highway ferry from Haines or the BC ferry 
from
Prince Rupert (after coming down the Cassiar). That may be a good way 
to unwind.

FHY

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:32:25 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: What Do You Call A Bunch Of Land-Rovers?

At 08:08 PM 8/5/96 -0700, John Y. Liu <johnliu@earthlink.net> wrote:
>You have a gaggle of geese, a pod of whales, a pride of lions, a school of
>fish, a flock of birds, herd of cows, pack of wolves, and of course the
>oft-mentioned exultation of larks . . . so what is a "bunch" of Land Rovers?

 Just that, a "Bunch of Land-Rovers".  Or how about a "Pool of Land-Rovers",
 could be taken as short for MotorPool, Granville Pool's Land-Rovers, or
 refering to pools of oil.... or should that be a "Puddle of Land-Rovers"?

 I suppose that the proper reference would depend a lot on what the subject
 Land-Rovers were doing at the time.  If they were caravaning they might be
 a "String of Land-Rovers", if they were on the green they might be a "Row
 of Land-Rovers", if they just returned from a mud-run they might be a
 "Mess of Land-Rovers".  Of course we all have dreams of a breaker's yard
 with a "Pile of Land-Rovers".  Suffice it to say that Land-Rovers can be
 described in as many terms as there are unique Land-Rovers, and they ALL
 seem to be unique.

 Regards from California,

                                 How about a "Rumpole of Land-Rovers"?
                         ______ /
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:34:17 -0700
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Yukon

Clinton D. Coates wrote:
> I have not really finalized anything beyond
> "sometime next summer".  I had thought more
> or less sometime in August for about three
> weeks (depends on itinerary etc.).

I spent 3 weeks in Aug-93 doing a similar trip.  However, instead of
going to Alberta I spent more time in Alaska.

> It would be difficult to do the northern
> mega-trip in this time frame unless equipped
> with rally spec vehicles.
> weeks (depends on itinerary etc.).

Because of the very long days, you can cover a lot of sight-seeing 
miles.

My idea was to
> do something like drive up through Alberta
> into the Northwest Territories.  Go across
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> possible (i have to find out when...will
> check the travel guides).

Get a copy of the Milepost.  I think it is invaluable for travel in the
Northwest.

> Drive down to Whitehorse and trundle back
> down the Alaska Highway or the Stewart-
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Alaska Hwy of my childhood was like-dirt,
> rocks and ruts.  It is also very spectacular.

I think the Cassiar may be paved by next year.  When I started up the
Cassiar 11-12 years ago in a VW Vanagon, I turned back because the road
was in terrible shape.  In 1993 it was a rough gravelled road with
some paved sections and it looked like a lot more paving was on the 
way.

There are a lot of side roads off the Top of the World Highway and the
Dempster that will never be paved.

> Depending on time, a side trip to Skagway
> might be possible over the White Pass RR.
> Or via Hanes Junct.

You could take the Alaska Highway ferry from Haines or the BC ferry 
from
Prince Rupert (after coming down the Cassiar).  That may be a good way 
to unwind from the trip.

FHY

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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:46:15 -0700
From: kelvinc@terrestrial.com (Kelvin Crezee)
Subject: D90 equipment questions

I am planning to have ARB airlockers installed within the next few months
and have thought about doing this myself.  I'm just a mechanic by necessity
but did take the obligatory automechanics in high school.  Am I just asking
for problems?  The dealership in Scottsdale AZ rates this as a 10 hour
procedure--$1300 in labor (not bad mechanics wages,eh).  Also, I've read
that you can upgrade the flimsy air tubes to stronger avionics reinforced
tubing for $100 dollars or so--recommended?  And has anyone upgraded the ARB
air compressor to anouther brand--I've heard its slow for airing up the
tires after 4 wheeling.  How about gear ratio they have two versions go for
the lower or higher?

Any advice about ARB AirLockers for D90 is appreciated.
Kelvin Crezee                  ______  
                               [__[__\==
kelvinc@terrestrial.com        [________]
                        _____.__(O)_.(O)___

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: RE: British Northwest Land Rover
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 8:24:19 BST

> `67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
> `67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> `96 DISCO SE7(M)               - Spit...    :-)
> SAS PINK PANTHER 10FG56        - Show-off!

Beg my ignorance, what's a P6B??

Richard  (a mere ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: What Do You Call A Bunch Of Land-Rovers?
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 8:31:17 BST

> You have a gaggle of geese, a pod of whales, a pride of lions, a school of
> fish, a flock of birds, herd of cows, pack of wolves, and of course the
> oft-mentioned exultation of larks . . . so what is a "bunch" of Land Rovers?

A rattle of Land Rovers.

The gear-boxes also have their own collective: A seepage of gearboxes.

Richard

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  6 Aug 96  6:35:20 EDT
Subject: Re: What Do You Call A Bunch Of Land-Rovers?

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