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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 07:43:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[4]: Alpine Windows

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 Darrell.Fremont@uni.edu wrote:

>>>>Pull everything off until you get to the old race and then stop and have 
a beer.  Why? because the next part sucks.

>>>>Beat the hell out of the old 
race with a good chisel.  It should split and slide off. 

Well, I disagree. Go ahead with the beer anyway, you can be impaired on this job
 as the worst thing you can do is whack your thumb with the hammer or whack the 
stub axle with the chisel. Granted I've only done on eof these but it was easy 
as ABC. As I was sitting there bashing the crap out of the race trying to 
acually break it, I realized that it could now be slid off the end of the stub 
axle no problem. A couple awhacks oughtta do it. Keep your chisels sharp and 
your mind dull, and you'll do just fine.

Replace the seals as stated. You should be fine.

Cheers

Dave "A BIG hammer helps too" B.

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 07:50:35 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Hub seal Races

At 09:17 PM 7/31/96 -0400, you wrote:
>      does anyone have any tips for replacement of hub seals and races. 
>      i'm about to embark on this mission as well as new brake shoes on my 

  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
>      darrell.fremont@uni.edu
>      '73 series III 88SW "peggy"

>>>>>>Remove the stub axle<<<<<<<<<<<<
      ????????????????????

Not necessary, I say, just be careful with the chisel and don't have too many 
beers beforehand. The truck will do a great job holding the stub axle for you. 
No need to go tearing into everything. Even if you do nick the stub axle it's 
not really a biggie, just carefully file it down so the new race can go on and 
so the wheel bearing can still ride on it ok. 

Dave

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 07:55:25 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: What the Hell is wrong with y'all?!

>>Is it just my impression or is the North American Landrover scene just
>>about to implode.

Too spread out, it would never happen we mostly don't ever see each other

>>After a couple of days away I've downloaded about 200 mailings from this
>>>lro club and precicesly 2 were of any interest!

Hey, well, at least we can think critically!!

or 

At least we have a sense of humor

or

That's just those darn left coasters :-)

or 

its them Yankees up North

or

Better than no postings at all

or

Hope you're not paying too much for online time...

Oh well it's still something to read...

Dave B.

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:35:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?

At 07:36 AM 8/1/96 +0200, you wrote:
The other day I had an idea !
        Oh god we are all inn trouble now!

Is this a good idea or must I sit in the corner ?

this is a good Idea I'll take one!

I guess I have to sit in the corner for the Idea of the charity LR or doing
anything for charity by this list.
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
WANTED pre 1968 109 In USA
Daviscar@concentric.net
        Or
BDaviscar@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 07:42:22 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: Martha's

I'm Planning on being on Martha's Vineyard for a weekend in late Sept. I
heard tell that there is a Striped bass/blue fish derby going on around that
time.....Is anyone on the list familiar enough with the island to offer some
assistance with regard to what's available (if any) in terms of driving on
the beach(es)? What's the process/cost for permits etc. etc....We're
bringing our '68 land rover dormobile (camper) with us and if feasible we
might like to float around on the sand alittle and toss a few plugs
seaward......Any other tips with regard to island life would be well
recieved also! Thanks in advance! Rob MacCormick Concord, MA USA
rob_maccormick@harvard.edu

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:18:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: UK Tax free LR purchase for export?

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Walter C. Swain wrote:

> specifics on Canadian importation rules.  I gather that they are less 
> restrictive than the US rules;  I think somebody up there (Dixon 
> perhaps) cited the 18 year rule.  Here it's 25 years.

	15 years.  Problem with bringing in a D90 (in theory should not
	be too much of a problem because they are not sold in Canada) is
	that he will have to get a piece of paper from Solihull stating 
	that the D90 meets Canadian spec for that model year.  If he can,
	then the D90 can come into Canada.  If not, it has to be brought 
	to Canadian spec (whatever that moving target may be) and certified.
	Sounds expensive to me...

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:23:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Brian Cotton wrote:

> The other day I had an idea !

	Hopefully it didn't involve new parts!

> How about all the folks on the LR List sort of form an ad-hoc club and have
> a simple T-shirt saying something to that effect.

	British Cars mailing list did this a couple years ago.  Emblem is
	a union jack with crossed spanner and conn rod with SOL across
	it..  Quite nice.  Good idea, but need a design, unless we use the
	one with the two land rovers facing each other etc from a year or two
	ago.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 14:27:31 BST

> > How about all the folks on the LR List sort of form an ad-hoc club and have
> > a simple T-shirt saying something to that effect.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> 	one with the two land rovers facing each other etc from a year or two
> 	ago.

There's the "Land Raver" one I've seen being worn by a 127 owner.
Standard yellow on green logo. Perhaps, you don't have raves in the US??

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:30:52 -5
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh? : New List

Wdcockey@aol.com writes:

> I propose a new list is needed
> LRO-HUMOR
> A charter subscriber list could be easily created.
snip
> Several folks must have had coworkers puzzled by the sporadic laughter.

When I'm driving with the AAAA in full operation, it's *constant* 
maniacal laughter. Of course,  many think driving a LR in itself is a maniacal 
activity.

Maniacal, adj. 1. Suggestive of or afflicted with insanity.
(American Heritage Dictionary)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@iafrica.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:22:44 +0200
Subject: LRO List Shirts

Cool Idea.

Now can they be manufactured in some third world country where the 
South Africans won't have any forex problems.  Also please not in the 
UK, have u seen the SA / UK exchange rate this am?

Regards
Jean
'84 110 V8 S/W  #26 of thousands
_______________________________________________________
Jean Andre Gruneberg

Vector Control Lab.              ph +27 (0)31 295252
Durban City Health             c-ph +27 (0)82 551 8433
P.O.Box 2443                    fax +27 (0)31 3003030
4000 Durban                  e-mail grunberg@iafrica.com    
KZN  South Africa                   

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:43:59 -5
Subject: Re: Hub seal Races

Did you really have any luck? I lined mine up, placed bets, but they 
just wouldn't go. Sat there all night waiting  too.
Good thing I all that wet malt stuff to keep me entertained, cause 
the the hub seal races were a total flop.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: Rusting D90
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 09:42:00 CDT

Several months after receiving shipment of my D90 in August of 1995, I   
noticed rusty water coming from the inside of the spare wheel rack.   
(leaking out from any openings)  Apparently, they had neglected to fill   
the rack with grease and it had started to rust on the inside.  When I   
notified my dealer of this (in January), they said that grease had not   
been injected into the rack and that they would do so, thereby fixing the   
problem.  Well, after this week of rain...it's baaaack.  Should I tell   
the dealer to replace the rack at this point, or should I have them   
refill it with grease?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

(P.S. Lots of interior screws are rusting in the phillips head slots...   
  Should they be replaced as well?)

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: D90 Winch Points
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 09:45:00 CDT

You should run for political office! :)

Maybe, since I have a Kinetic Recovery Rope, maybe I should have two in   
order to spread the load...

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

 --------------------------

 ----------
How's that for wishy washy....

Eric

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: D90 Winching
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 10:08:00 CDT

Well, I asked the question of one or two recovery loops, and I have my   
answer.  Now, I needed a towing strap, so RN sold me a KR rope.  Most of   
the list members seem to equate KR ropes with amputations.  Are KR ropes   
worth anything?  I realize that they have the ability to "Yank" a   
vehicle, but...  Should I toss the KR rope and try to find a good towing   
strap?  If so, where do I find one?

Thanks,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: D90 Winching
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 15:24:38 BST

> Well, I asked the question of one or two recovery loops, and I have my   
> answer.  Now, I needed a towing strap, so RN sold me a KR rope.  Most of   
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> vehicle, but...  Should I toss the KR rope and try to find a good towing   
> strap?  If so, where do I find one?

I never liked the sound of KERRs, but someone on CIX attempted to use one
to "extract" a Rangie. The bumper/front assembly was extracted, and embedded
itself in the next tree. Apparantly it was so embedded, that it had to be left 
insitu...

Richard

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 10:15:04 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Rusting D90

Boehme, Doug wrote:
> Several months after receiving shipment of my D90 in August of 1995, I
> noticed rusty water coming from the inside of the spare wheel rack.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Douglas Boehme
> '95 Red D90 #2767
> (P.S. Lots of interior screws are rusting in the phillips head slots...

Depends on your personality but I would tell them to replace it and make sure it's
filled with grease.  At this point, I think you're looking at eventual rust out 
maybe 3-5 years down the line regardless of whether they add more grease or not.

-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:42:59 +0000
Subject: Re: D90 Winching

Quoting Boehme, Doug, from  1 Aug 96

> Well, I asked the question of one or two recovery loops, and I have my  
> answer.  Now, I needed a towing strap, so RN sold me a KR rope.
KERR ropes are OK with the right sort of vehicles, but lethal in the hands 
of Munchkins.

>  Most of the list members seem to equate KR ropes with amputations. 
> Are KR ropes worth anything?  I realize that they have the ability to
> "Yank" a  vehicle, but...  Should I toss the KR rope and try to find a
> good towing strap?  If so, where do I find one? 
We (the SLROC) use KERR or normal ropes depending on the circumstances:

If both motors are trials motors (they have strengthened tow points) then 
we tend to use KERRs as we can yank someone out quicker.

If either vehicle is suspect vis-a-vis tow-points, we use static ropes.

Either can be purchased at a chandlers or similar.

BTW, It is also worth getting a couple of big shackles..

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 11:08:04 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: D90 Winching

Central Tractor carries tow straps and KERRs at reasonable prices; 
anything from a wimpy little one up to big, fat 20,000lb.-ers.
There should be one near you. Look in the phone book under FARM SUPPLIES.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:46:37 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?

Brian Cotton suggested a tee shirt for the LRO list:

>> How about all the folks on the LR List sort of form an ad-hoc club and have
>> a simple T-shirt saying something to that effect.

Dixon Kenner said:

>	British Cars mailing list did this a couple years ago.  Emblem is
>	a union jack with crossed spanner and conn rod with SOL across
>	it..  Quite nice.  Good idea, but need a design, unless we use the
>	one with the two land rovers facing each other etc from a year or two
>	ago.

I vote for the existing logo or a derivation of it.  That logo, which is
displayed on the LRO Web site, was created by Soren Vels Christiansen of
Denmark who is still on this list.  I'm sure Soren would be happy to work
with us on this.  Right, SV?

I would like to put in my two cents worth about the shirts:  Use
good-quality, heavy, all-cotton tees, with not-too-high necks (leaves out
the Haines Beefy-T that's so widely used), and silkscreen the graphics.  I
have a Land-Rover tee shirt (says Best Four by Four by Far on the back) that
I can't stand to wear because the graphics are all some sort of rubbery
stuff that virtually scalds you when you stand in the sun (we have that
here) and sticks to your skin.  Quite yucky.

Cheers,

Granny

Granville Pool
Redwood Valley, CA USA
Series III 88 (the Snark)

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:48:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: steve cross <scross@pop.erols.com>
Subject: swivel hub and tech bulletins

Please let me know how i can obtain the factory bulletins on '93 Range Rover
LWB. 

Please provide any tips or info on the best method to replace the swivel hub
gaskets.  can this be done without major disassembly of the front end?  Must
the fixed axle gasket be also replaced?

Thanks
Steve

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:59:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Granville Pool wrote:

> I vote for the existing logo or a derivation of it.  That logo, which is
> displayed on the LRO Web site, was created by Soren Vels Christiansen of
> Denmark who is still on this list.  I'm sure Soren would be happy to work
> with us on this.  Right, SV?

	Fine by me...  Put the LR insignia back in the centre rather than the
	NATO like compass is my suggestion...

> I would like to put in my two cents worth about the shirts:  Use
> good-quality, heavy, all-cotton tees, with not-too-high necks (leaves out
> the Haines Beefy-T that's so widely used), and silkscreen the graphics.  I

	For another 0.02, the BC-ml contacted a firm to handle all the 
	shirts, mugs etc that they produced in the end.  The firm offered
	to produce items as they were required and handled everything once
	a design was established.  This has been successful for them.  I'd
	suggest the same approach, but hit someone like LRO bookshop who
	knows of Land Rovers and stands to gain if all is successful, but 
	loose if things mess up.  (lighten up anyone that thinks that the
	evil commercialism is rearing its ugly head.  if you think so, check
	out US coverage of the olympics...  I suggest a commercial entity
	becuase realistically it it the only way that it will get done
	with decent quality, without recriminations that someone is making
	ten cents here and there...  Besides, someone like LRO is probably
	licensed to use the LR logo which used to be in the centre of Soren's
	design, but was pulled because of PC-like fear of LR.  Also believe
	that if it isn't "contracted" out to someone like that, all it will
	be is talk and never happen.  I prefer to see it actually get done.
	I have the BC-ml stuff and it is recognised at BritCar meets etc.)

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From: "William Dan Terry" <wterry@netpubsintl.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:50:41 +0000
Subject: Re. LRO t-shirt

Here's an idea for the t-shirt design. But first I must give credit 
where credit is due. My suggestion is basically a knock off from 
another list I'm part of, though I think the concept is appropriate 
for LRO list too.

The emblem for Lotus is a circle filled with a sort of pie slice with 
the point at the top. At the upper part of the slice are the initials 
of Lotus' creator sort of superimposed on each other. Underneath this 
is the word "Lotus". We replaced the initials with an @ for our list 
t-shirt.

My suggestions for LRO is to use the LR emblem and to place an @ 
either right in the middle (spreading Land and Rover a bit, or 
superinposing it) or to replace the A in LAND with the @ (also an A).

Just my tupence (sp?).

Peace, William

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  wterry@netpubsintl.com
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  Software Designer - MINERVA Development Team, Booz, Allen & Hamilton

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 10:04:42 -0700
From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: FC101 parts, SIIa 88" FS.

Someone was asking a couple of days ago about FC101 parts. 
I was ordering some parts from Concise (Octopus) parts here in
Vancouver, B.C. He still has the drive train from his 101 for sale.	
He is camperizing it and converting to a Cummins Diesel and Dodge.
He is selling the wheels, axels, locking diffs, ... I forget the price
but I think it was ~C$2700. Seems like a good price considering
what the diffs alone a worth. Concise:(ask for Ray) 604.925.1514

Also ,I am selling my SIIa ('65) 88". Asking C$4000. Email me
for details. grea@net.gov.bc.ca or call 604.873.4673.

Better yet, buy the 88 & the 101 drive and build something 
unique. 

Regards, Gordon.

--

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:47:03 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?

Dixon, bless him, said:

(regarding my vote for Soren's work:

>	Fine by me...  Put the LR insignia back in the centre rather than the
>	NATO like compass is my suggestion...

I quite agree.  If Soren doesn't still have that version, I believe I do; I
know I have a print-out of it (in colour).

>       [Lots more good stuff snipped] I suggest a commercial entity
>	becuase realistically it it the only way that it will get done
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>	be is talk and never happen.  I prefer to see it actually get done.
>	I have the BC-ml stuff and it is recognised at BritCar meets etc.)

Sounds like a most excellent plan, Dixon, and gets my vote, too.

Thanks, 

Granny

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:52:25 -0400
From: LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com>

        I'd suggest the same approach, but hit someone like LRO bookshop who
	knows of Land Rovers and stands to gain if all is successful, but...

We can certainly help develop a shirt with a specific logo.  We might also
be able to get permission from Land Rover to use their logo although don't
hold your breath.  They are very touchy about their logo.

We have a design already that brings together the various models.  It can be
seen on our site at http://web.idirect.com/~lroshop/  in the catalogue section.

It can be modified from a text point of view to say almost anything.  We
could handle production, sales and distribution but who would be allowed to
buy it, anyone on the web or just digest subscribers.  I can see an
elegibility issue here if it is the latter.  Any thoughts.

We developed our logo for web users only.  We give away a free mouse pad
with every order and will soon offer t-shirts with the same logo.  The idea
was not dissimiler to the suggestion that started all this.  Let LR owners
who use the web to identify each other at places like Down east, Ottawa
Valley BB, Billing etc.

Let me know if we can assist.

Regards Kevin

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:24:30 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: 

Kevin,

>We can certainly help develop a shirt with a specific logo.  We might also
>be able to get permission from Land Rover to use their logo although don't
>hold your breath.  They are very touchy about their logo.

Thanks for the offer; it sound like a good one.

>We have a design already that brings together the various models.  It can be
>seen on our site at http://web.idirect.com/~lroshop/  in the catalogue section.

I had some trouble finding this as the "tee shirt cloud" was not clickable;
then I tried the "mouse-pad cloud" which was clickable and yielded the logo.
Nice job of the logo and certainly a variation of this could work.

[snip]
>We developed our logo for web users only.  We give away a free mouse pad
>with every order and will soon offer t-shirts with the same logo.  The idea
>was not dissimiler to the suggestion that started all this.  Let LR owners
>who use the web to identify each other at places like Down east, Ottawa
>Valley BB, Billing etc.

Makes sense that it'd be sold only to LRO list members and this would be
simplified by selling it only via your Web site.  Each sale would require a
note from Bill Caloccia or the Major.  Maybe it'd have to be via the LRO
list Website?

Thanks again for your thoughts on this!

Cheers,

Granny

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:28:42 -5
Subject: t-shirts

Dixon's suggestion notwithstanding, I'd be glad to arrange getting 
t-shirts made. There seems to be a lot of shops here that do them (I 
guess being a univesity town they are even more popular).
Anyway, if someone wants to donate the design, I'd donate my time to get 
them made and shipped *at cost* + the actual shipping charges.
I could probably get my wife to donate filing copyright for it if we 
want, in which case I'd add a few cents per to cover the filing fee.

As an example, I just called one of the about 50 companies listed in 
the phone book to get a ball park price.

qty 100
White heavyweight 100% cotton (not high neck) t-shirt
3 color logo one side
$7.00 each
+$1ea for other side printed
+$1ea for xl & xxl sizes
+$0.50 ea for color t-shirt

That seems pretty good to me.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:47:42 -0400
Subject: Re: t-shirts

I for one would love to have a couple of "list" t-shirts
and the cost seems quite reasonable.
Rgds Quintin

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: t-shirts

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Dixon's suggestion notwithstanding, I'd be glad to arrange getting 
> t-shirts made. There seems to be a lot of shops here that do them 

	My suggestion was based on watching the problems that the BC
	mailing list had when they did this.  After about a year of
	discussing it, the log jam was broken when one person got a
	firm involved and had them handle everything.  Then again,
	they provided t-shirts, polo shirts, coffee mugs, pins, etc.
	For details:  http://www.team.net/sol/regalia.html

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996,  Granville Pool wrote:

> Makes sense that it'd be sold only to LRO list members and this would be
> simplified by selling it only via your Web site.  Each sale would require a
> note from Bill Caloccia or the Major.  Maybe it'd have to be via the LRO
> list Website?

	Believe that this was done at the start, but subsequent to this 
	the pins etc. have been appearing in more places.  It is one thing
	to have an "exclusive" item, another if it is also going to serve 
	to advertise the mailing list.  Someone will have to make a call
	on which way it would go.  In the former, it can get a bit 
	complicated.  The Major would not have record of who is on any
	of the remailers or systems like fourfold (mine, currently down 
	with a headcrash) that had people calling in to read this mailing
	list.  At one point, I'll bet you this list had over a thousand
	subscribers (before rro, uk-lro, etc.).  Have not seen that stats
	in a while since Bill posted them after rro was created.

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:32:42 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: Teeth

Wow! I cried, I laughed, I cried, I laughed, I said "huh???" shrugged and
Laughed again....This list...what an emotional roller coaster!! Man, do I
have alot to learn about land rovers! I've had one for, hmmm how long has it
been....12 no 13.....days! When I bought it I had no idea I'd be able to
pull around headless horses!! I think I bought it just in time...The PO will
be kicking himself for selling! Anyway....I'm still scribbling out an
"inventory" of sorts....Are there any visible differences between the
heavier/lower geared (Hicap pick-up) T-case, and a "normal series IIa
T-case? There's some chin scratchin' pencil scribblin' theories with regard
to the lower gearing that my dormobile has exhibited....(Salsbury rear axle
a factor?)

Anyone else heard the song about Fred and Rover??? "Fred and Rover wandered
in the desert when by a sandstorm they were tossed, soon with the aid of an
English compass they were well and truely lost"...blah blah blah verse verse
verse....."Fred looked down at the bones and said "Rover would have liked
those bones"" Anyway....the PTO meat grinders etc....have put that song in
my head....Thanks alot! Rob M Concord, MA USA 

Rob MacCormick
Acting Associate Director/Associate Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety Department
Harvard University
46 Oxford Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
(617)-495-3055 (office - voicemail)
(617)-495-0593 (fax machine)
(617)-746-0145 (pager, input your phone #)
rob_maccormick@harvard.edu (email)
1576245@pager.mcb.com (SHORT (<80 characters) emails to pager)

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 19:40:52 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: GPS location of start point for Aug 3rd   

Those of you coming off-roading on Saturday, and have a GPS. Plug this LON / 
LAT into your GPS. This is the start / meeting point. 

  42  55  21 N
072  17  24 W

See you all there 

Mark

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 19:52:20 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: T shirts 

Why doesn't someone decide who is going to get them printed and start taking 
requests / orders to get an idea if we can meet the 100 minimum requirement. 

I'll have 2 XL shirts 

Mark 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:59:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: rr de-clonking...

i just got thru w/ the emu coil spring and bilsein
shock replacement on my 87 rr w/ 170k miles.
1.  a side benefit of the upgrade is a reduction in
    drivetrain clonk.  really quite noticeable to me
    as the clonk drives me crazy.
2.  the ride is much improved as has been reported
    earlier.
3.  i won't repeat the curse words here, but the coil
    shock upgrade required a few.  the threaded posts
    on the front bottom could stand to be a few 
    milli-meters longer and there is a up and an upside
    down side to the coil springs.
i have the red polybushes in the box and will get to them
in a week or so.  i expect the drivetrain clonk to almost
disappear as i noted a couple of my bushings were quite worn.

for the record, i completely washed the underside, painted
the frame and other metal surfaces w/ 2-part semi-gloss
polyurethane ($$) by brush (messy), and sprayed the bottom
w/ waxoyl (2 coats).

for new vehicles, drivetrain clonk may have another source, but
bushing wear on the shocks contributed to mine.

Ray Harder 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:45:14 GMT
From: Olafur Agust <hmo@rvik.ismennt.is>
Subject: Voltage regulator!!

HI 
due to non-existence of Land-rover-parts-dealer here in Iceland I was
wondering if anyone had the Lucas parts number for the voltage regulator in
a s2a 1966 petrol - here are some Lucas parts dealers and they have to have
the parts number if they are to find anything in there shelves!!
Thanx!!

Olafur Agust (hmo@ismennt.is)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:49:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: steve cross <scross@pop.erols.com>
Subject: Re: rr de-clonking...

At 14:59 08/01/1996 -0500, you wrote:
>i just got thru w/ the emu coil spring and bilsein
>shock replacement on my 87 rr w/ 170k miles.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
>for new vehicles, drivetrain clonk may have another source, but
>bushing wear on the shocks contributed to mine.
>Ray Harder 
Ray,
Please explain how replacing suspension parts reduced your clonk - i too am
not too enamoured with drivline clonk!

stevec
>i just got thru w/ the emu coil spring and bilsein
>shock replacement on my 87 rr w/ 170k miles.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:06:56 -5
Subject: Re: Teeth

> Rob MacCormick
> Environmental Health and Safety Department
-
Does your boss know you're driving a Land Rover? Sounds like a 
conflict of interest.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:02:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: rr de-clonking...

On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, steve cross wrote:
> At 14:59 08/01/1996 -0500, you wrote:
> >i just got thru w/ the emu coil spring and bilsein
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Ray,
> Please explain how replacing suspension parts reduced your clonk - i too am
> not too enamoured with drivline clonk!
steve, let others here with more wisdom correct me, but...
my theory is that because of the worn shock bushings, the
driveline clonk was transferred up into the frame and body
and it acted as a sounding board.  the same slop is still there
but it just isn't as loud.  it definitely is better.  i
knew the rear coil springs were bad, but i thought the shocks
were ok.  now i think the shocks were worn out, too as the
ride is much improved.  i am anxious to see the improvement
w/ the polybush kit as others say that helps too!!

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:16:14 -5
Subject: Re: T shirts 

> Why doesn't someone decide who is going to get them printed and start taking 
> requests / orders to get an idea if we can meet the 100 minimum requirement. 

That number I gave wasn't the minimum. That particular company has no 
minimum, it just costs a lot more. I picked 100 out of the air just 
because that seemed like a reasonable number. I wasn't clear if this 
was just for the Land-rover-owner list, or for all of them. I'd think 
there could be some way to do a design indicating the LR heritage of 
us all, and maybe a list of the lists. After all, we'er all in this 
together, even if some of us are the black sheep of the family. :-)

Hmmm, black sheep. Where's my AAAA?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:44:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: steve cross <scross@pop.erols.com>
Subject: Re: rr de-clonking...

At 16:02 08/01/1996 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, steve cross wrote:
>> At 14:59 08/01/1996 -0500, you wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>Ray Harder 
>Ray, Ok, now i'm uderstanding.
steve
>On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, steve cross wrote:

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:11:39 -0400
From: LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop <lroshop@idirect.com>

Why doesn't someone decide who is going to get them printed and start taking 
requests / orders to get an idea if we can meet the 100 minimum requirement. 

I'll have 2 XL shirts

I think we can do something with a minimum of 30 or 40 orders.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:22:06 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer (ISD)" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: Shirts again!

LRO Book Shop & The LRO Shop wrote:
> Why doesn't someone decide who is going to get them printed and start taking
> requests / orders to get an idea if we can meet the 100 minimum requirement.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> I'll have 2 XL shirts
> I think we can do something with a minimum of 30 or 40 orders.

I'll take 1 XL, 1 L, and 3S(kid size)! (Now what's on them?)

------------------------------

From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:48:21 -0400
Subject: used o.d.

I have a used o.d., good casing, synchro, laygear, output gear, input gear,
NO layshaft. I need parts for a fairey capstan winch, the piece that replaces
the starter dog and the piece that holds the engagement shaft in place. I
also have a 2b F/C that has a center mounted hydraulic winch, does anyone
know how to get the winch to operate It has  2 knobs in the toe board and 1
along the chassis. 

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From: Chris_Browne@US014-BOSTON-MINET.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 01 Aug 96 18:48:22 EDT
Subject: Re: T shirts

     

     missed the lead post about this subject but there is a d90 sw
     owner who has a tshirt printing co in mass called Planet 
     Sportwear tel 617 576 3333 have seen the work and its great 
     quality
     chris
     PS does this commercial content mean the major will 
     excommunicat.........

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:03:53 -0400
Subject: Re: T-Shirt sales 

>Makes sense that it'd be sold only to LRO list members and this would be
>simplified by selling it only via your Web site.  Each sale would require a
>note from Bill Caloccia or the Major.  Maybe it'd have to be via the LRO
>list Website?

Let's not complicate matters by trying to restrict sales. Either it won't be
a problem (So what if a non-subscriber buys a shirt. Imagine a non-subscriber
wearing a shirt to a meet. They will be the embaressed one.) or it will be a
major cult item. In the latter case folks will subscribe just to be eligable
to buy a shirt. Just what we need.

David Cockey 

------------------------------

From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:12:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Martha's (accelerated corrosion)

Rob wants to play on the beaches of Marthas Vineyard:
>We're
>bringing our '68 land rover dormobile (camper) with us and if feasible we
>might like to float around on the sand alittle and toss a few plugs
>seaward

When you're tempted to drive along the edge of the sea:  Just remember that
one of the techniques used to accelerate corrosion in auto testing is to
periodically drive the vehicle through a trough filled with salt water. Ten
years of corrosion in under a year.
And remember your LR isn't vulnerable just ordinary rusting, but galvanic
corrosion between aluminum and steel.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan (salt isn't a problem on our beaches)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:15:00 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Kinetic recovery

Eric Z wrote:

>Kinetic recovery in general is a scary thought...and sight!

Or amazing.  At the last RN rally (four years ago???) they stationed the 101 
at one of the 'stickier' mud holes.  The strap was 50 or 60' long, and by 
the time it pulled taut, the 101 was in *third* gear.  Surprisingly, 
everything came out in one piece.  Cheers 

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:15:04 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: T-shirts

Well, folks, I'm in the process of getting the next batch together for the 
Mid-Atlantic Rally.  Sand Toler is going to be doing the design again 
(you've seen his stuff in the RN ads/newsletters).  There's a local print 
shop that does a quality job (read: international business) and the prices 
are fair.

How many colors would be in the design?  Basically, each additional pass 
adds a buck to the final cost.  (Knowing how parsimonious this group is, 
it'll probably come out as ONE color.)  And how could we get a concensus on 
design?  "Series I!"  "No, no, IIa!"  "Lightweight, of course!"  "Forward 
control!"  Cheers 

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:02:47 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt sales

>Let's not complicate matters by trying to restrict sales. Either it won't be
>a problem (So what if a non-subscriber buys a shirt. Imagine a non-subscriber

I agree here.  The administrative hassle of restricting who buys one far
outweighs any "problem" generated by a nonlist member getting ahold of one.
Besides, if they're only "advertised" (there's that word rearing it's ugly
head) on the list or in it's FAQ, then nobody else will know about them...
K.I.S.S.

I'm good for one every two years or so -- as they get covered with various
leaking fluids...

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg        Purple Shark Media              Rowayton, CT
                       jeff@purpleshark.com
                        ==================
                Bimbo-limbo is where I've been...
  I'm looking for a smart woman in a real short skirt
          A smart woman who knows how to flirt
                                                       --Jimmy Buffett

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:30:45 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt sales

Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

> I'm good for one every two years or so -- as they get covered with various
> leaking fluids...

Ever consider a bandaid?  <grin>

Cheers, Greg

------------------------------

------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:08:41 -0400
Subject: Pull-Pal

This is not an ad..I finally got stuck in the mud with no trees around and
Pull-Pal came in handy.  It is a foldable land anchor that works remarkably
well.  Does anybody else on the list use this and what is the best way to
remove from the ground when you are done...I dug it out then winched it the
rest of the way.???

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 19:57 EST
From: jhaskell@iquest.net (Jon R. Haskell)
Subject: LR Restoration Manual

I would appreciate suggestions on restoration manuals for Series vehicles
and where they can be ordered.
Many Thanks in Advance,

Jon Haskell, KB9CML
INDIANAPOLIS, IN USA

------------------------------

From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Rusting D90
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:17:35 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Doug:

Your carrier is fully warranteed. I've never seen any rust from mine and =
I took delivery in June `95 and it has gotten wet, wet, WET!!

As far as rusty hardware, I do a monthly walkaround on my 90 (and the =
other Rovers too!) with a can of good old WD40. Give all of the steel =
hardware a spritz of the stuff. Door handle plates, seatbelt brackets, =
body mounting bolts, hinges, engine compartment hardward, etc. You'll be =
surprised at how well this all works.

Same reason that after 25 years of ownership of my 2A 88 the only frame =
piece needing replacement was the rear crossmember. Rest good as new.

cheers,

Jim

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 NAS D110 (457/500)
`95 NAS D90 #1958
`96 DISCO SE7(M)
SAS PINK PANTHER 10FG56

----------
From: 	Boehme, Doug[SMTP:dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com]
Sent: 	Thursday, August 01, 1996 10:42 AM
Subject: 	Rusting D90

Several months after receiving shipment of my D90 in August of 1995, I   =

noticed rusty water coming from the inside of the spare wheel rack.  
(leaking out from any openings)  Apparently, they had neglected to fill  =

the rack with grease and it had started to rust on the inside.  When I   =

notified my dealer of this (in January), they said that grease had not   =

been injected into the rack and that they would do so, thereby fixing =
the  
problem.  Well, after this week of rain...it's baaaack.  Should I tell   =

the dealer to replace the rack at this point, or should I have them  
refill it with grease?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

(P.S. Lots of interior screws are rusting in the phillips head slots...  =

------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8003.6CBFFFC0

------------------------------

From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: NEVER MIND et al
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:27:30 +0930 (CST)

> Come on Daryl,by popular request......
> Mike Rooth

Ok well i've tried to  find the complete lyrics, but so far have failed. 
I'm just old enough to remember the chorus,  ISTR that this was a number 
1 hit back in the past.

The songs title is something like "Redback on the toilet seat" I cant 
recall who sang i (any one what to help here)

The chorus goes something like this.

There was a redback on the toilet seat when I went there last night
I didnt see him in the dark, but boy I felt his bite.
So now i'm here in hospital, a sad and sorry sight.
And I curse that redback spider on the toilet seat last night...

>From what I gather the redback looks a little like a small black widow 
but has a big red strip on the abdomen. They are quite toxic, bites 
frequently kill dogs and cats.  I think there are reports of children 
dying from bites and maybe one adult (I'm not sure on that).  Most people 
report excruciating pain and become quite sick following a bite.

If I find a complete set of lyrics i'll post them..

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

Date: 	Thu, 01 Aug 1996 22:34:13 -0700
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Dana axles on LR's

Just a side note on Dana axles. While touring the Solihull facility
in May, I noticed the stands which supported the axles, in the
loading area ajacent to the prod. line, were stamped DANA.
I assume the UK side of Dana builds them for LR. This was 
at the Defender line. 73,

-----------------------------------------
Chris Youngson, VE7CST

West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada                   
Email: cyoungso@direct.ca
1965 Series IIA 109 3-Door (in pieces)
Tesla Bladeless Pumps & Turbines
-----------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:37:57 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: T-Shirts

Howdy Folks,

I'll throw together a design for the proposed "club" T-Shirt that all of us
on the LRO list belong to.
How does the "LAND ROVER OWNERS of CYBERSPACE CLUB" sound to you ? 

When I'm done with the design, I'll place it on my web page, just look for
the "Cyberspace Club".

I'll also have a price for everyone. It will be cheaper for me to make them
here in SA and ship then to everyone because our Rand/Dollar exchange rate
sucks.
1 USD = R 4.50 
The shirts may cost +- R 15 to R 20 excluding shipping.

Look during the weekend at http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton  

Ideas ?

Cheers
Brian
South Africa

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 03:14:07 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt sales

>> I'm good for one every two years or so -- as they get covered with various
>> leaking fluids...
>Ever consider a bandaid?  <grin>

Hmmm. Walked into that one.  Make that leaking automotive fluids...

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg        Purple Shark Media              Rowayton, CT
                       jeff@purpleshark.com
                        ==================
                              Ia oro te natura
                      E mea arofa teie ao nei
                Ua oau te maitai no te fenua
               Te vai noa ra te ora o te mitie
                                  --Jimmy Buffett, One Particular Harbour

------------------------------

From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:29:57 +0000
Subject: Re: T shirts 

Quoting Mark Talbot, from  1 Aug 96

> Why doesn't someone decide who is going to get them printed and start
> taking requests / orders to get an idea if we can meet the 100 minimum
> requirement. 
Put me down for a couple..

(Oh Gawd! I've become a "Me Too"er!  The shame)
[My son, for penence, you shall not drive your landrover for at least 2 
hours.]

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: T-shirts
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 8:46:37 BST

> Well, folks, I'm in the process of getting the next batch together for the 
> Mid-Atlantic Rally.  Sand Toler is going to be doing the design again 
> (you've seen his stuff in the RN ads/newsletters).  There's a local print 
> shop that does a quality job (read: international business) and the prices 
> are fair.

If they're to be produced in the US, we'll need someone in each of the larger
(membership-wise) countries to be the "importer" - will cut costs on
exchange rates,etc. I guess that means I've just volunteered myself...

> How many colors would be in the design?  Basically, each additional pass 
> adds a buck to the final cost.  (Knowing how parsimonious this group is, 
> it'll probably come out as ONE color.)  And how could we get a concensus on 
> design?  "Series I!"  "No, no, IIa!"  "Lightweight, of course!"  "Forward 
> control!"  Cheers 

Two solutions to this:
1.) Have a collection of proper vehicles. (S1,SII/SIII,Lightweight&101)
2.) Have a Series vehicle, which would, of course, have to be a Series III
as these seem be the most common, and (IMO) prettiest.
Of course, a vanilla SIII would be boring, so an FFR fully decked out in
aerials would be just the thing...

:-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

------------------------------

From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: T-Shirts
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 8:53:26 BST

> I'll throw together a design for the proposed "club" T-Shirt that all of us
> on the LRO list belong to.
> How does the "LAND ROVER OWNERS of CYBERSPACE CLUB" sound to you ? 

Sounds sort of cyberpunk/William Gibson-esque. Can the word "Cyberspace"
be change, please?  Pretty please, and a free oil change, please?
 

> When I'm done with the design, I'll place it on my web page, just look for
> the "Cyberspace Club".

Will have a look.

> I'll also have a price for everyone. It will be cheaper for me to make them
> here in SA and ship then to everyone because our Rand/Dollar exchange rate
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> 1 USD = R 4.50 
> The shirts may cost +- R 15 to R 20 excluding shipping.

Looks a good price. So they're going to cost about 2.50-3gbp !!!

Richard

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:52:14 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Billing

Teri Ann,

We indeed hadn't enough time for a good chat at billings but if we're there 
next year we will certainly do! Maybe I'm in a better mood to then because 
on the moment I had (and have) some relationship problems with my girlfriend 
(Jezus, the digest is becomming a chatting-box...).

See you,

Philippe C.
'81 lightweight FFR

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:46:00 +0300
From: frank seidler <isnfs@logos.cy.net>

i really would like to get out of land rover domo, however he seems not to
realize my 
email adress, what shall i do

isnfs@logos.cy.net

or maybe 

isnfs@zenon.logos.cy.net

thanks for letting me out

regards
frank seidler

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