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1 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+20Re: NEVER MIND et al
2 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A5Re: Gaskets...
3 sjak.r.haaheim@vg.no 3[not specified]
4 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us24Commercial content...get real
5 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M15Re: NEVER MIND et al
6 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u26Re: Commercial content...get real
7 ericz@cloud9.net 28Re: What you call it (Delaware)
8 Sanna@aol.com 15Re: Where are they?
9 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi53nice exit
10 ericz@cloud9.net 17Re: nice exit
11 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u15Re: nice exit
12 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@31Land Rover Shoes
13 ericz@cloud9.net 25Re: nice exit
14 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u21Re: nice exit
15 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi25Re: Land Rover Shoes
16 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi19Re: nice exit
17 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M13Re: nice exit
18 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u18Re: Land Rover Shoes
19 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob23HORSES pARtS, Eh?
20 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob13Re: Land Rover Shoes
21 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi29Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
22 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em26Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
23 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob30Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
24 harincar@internet.mdms.c16Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!
25 "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@23RE: D90 Winch Points
26 "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@18Philadelphia LR club.
27 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A5RE: D90 Winch Points
28 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A5Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
29 harincar@internet.mdms.c15Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
30 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi37Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
31 ericz@cloud9.net 30RE: D90 Winch Points
32 ericz@cloud9.net 16Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
33 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi24Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
34 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A5Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
35 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi29Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
36 David Rosenbaum [rosenba19RE: D90 Winch Points
37 ericz@cloud9.net 19RE: D90 Winch Points
38 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob32Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
39 Darrell.Fremont@uni.edu 12Re[2]: Alpine Windows
40 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@aae.wi26Re: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
41 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em14Re: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
42 Wdcockey@aol.com 16Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh? : New List
43 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+19Re: Re[2]: Alpine Windows
44 cyoungso@direct.ca (Chri19UK Tax free LR purchase for export?
45 uf974@freenet.victoria.b42Yukon Ho!
46 harincar@internet.mdms.c17Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh? : New List
47 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e34Re: Re[2]: Alpine Windows
48 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa36Re: UK Tax free LR purchase for export?
49 Greg Moore [gmoore@islan15Re: UK Tax free LR purchase for export?
50 bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian16LRO List T-Shirt?
51 C.J.Short@ste0418.wins.i12RE: LRO List T-Shirt?
52 Mage [mage@cia.com> 18Re: LRO List T-Shirt?
53 Jody Scharrenborg [jody@16Re: Land Rover Shoes
54 "Terje Krogdahl" [terje@20Re: LRO List T-Shirt?
55 whastelow@atlas.co.uk (S28What the Hell is wrong with y'all?!
56 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M11Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
57 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M10Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!
58 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M18Re: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?
59 "T.Stevenson" [gbfv08@ud21Re: Winch on a D90?
60 "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu46Re: A question of netiquette


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:32:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: NEVER MIND et al

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Daryl Webb wrote:

> > >"May all your chooks turn into Emu's and kick your dunny down"

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> No No Mike! havent you heard the song...
>  "Twas a Redback on the toilet seat when I went there last night....."
Sorry, but you just HAVE to fill us in on the rest of this....this could 
be my laugh for the day.

cheers
from Pittsburgh

Russ Wilson
RHD 67 "The Pig"

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 31 Jul 96  7:42:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Gaskets...

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 9:06:06 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Commercial content...get real

	Am I mistaken or is this list about the Land Rover hobby? Is there any 
way to restore and maintain these vehicles without resorting to vendors? 
Well, of course not. Therefore, some commercial content must be allowed.
	The obvious question is how much is enough? Already some suggestions for 
guidelines and limitations have been offered. 
Should For Sale ads be allowed for vehicles and parts? Only by private 
individuals? How do you control that?
	This leads to another question: who gets to be in charge of policing? 
Are all postings subject to censorship?  Or do we continue with the Honor 
System and hope for the best. 
	Ultimately, the individual must decide whether a posting contains 
information they seek. If they deal with shammers and dirty dealers in 
the interest of saving a buck then they will suffer the consequences.
Personally I don't find anything offensive in posting ads for vehicles 
and parts as long as the claims are legitimate. Caveat Emptor.
Perhaps the answer is a FOR SALE or SWAP MEET list.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:09:38 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: NEVER MIND et al

>> Mike Rooth responds to my traditional curse:
>> > >"May all your chooks turn into Emu's and kick your dunny down"

>> No No Mike! havent you heard the song...
>>  "Twas a Redback on the toilet seat when I went there last night....."
>Sorry, but you just HAVE to fill us in on the rest of this....this could
>be my laugh for the day.

Come on Daryl,by popular request......
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Commercial content...get real
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 14:15:52 BST

> 	This leads to another question: who gets to be in charge of policing? 
> Are all postings subject to censorship?  Or do we continue with the Honor 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> and parts as long as the claims are legitimate. Caveat Emptor.
> Perhaps the answer is a FOR SALE or SWAP MEET list.

Is there a US specific list? If not, perhaps we should have one...
I find the adverts in the UK-LRO list (the only other one I subscribe to)
"about right". There is at least one dealer/parts supplier who is active,
but he doesn't openly advertise unless asked for prices,etc.
People also discuss good/bad people,where to get parts from,etc.
Or "I've got a spare widget" - anyone want it?

The only reason I'm saying this, is that I find that near-enough *all*
the adverts on the main Land-Rover list are not relevant to me - because
they're in the US! This is whether they're private or commercial ads!

Just my tuppenneth,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: What you call it (Delaware)

On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:

>BTW, how does the Garden State Parkway deal with sport-utes these days?

Most of the "Parkways" in the NYC metro area go by the following rules (subject 
to the officer's discretion):
1) If it has passenger car plates, its OK.
2) If it is a pickup, its not OK (unless it has passenger car plates, which it 
shouldn't have anyway)
3) If its a van type vehicle, it must have windows in the rear.

I learnt this while driving down the Saw Mill River Parkway in my 109" P/U with 
3/4 canvas tilt....pickup with passenger plates.  I didn't get a ticket...but 
then again, I don't think the cop could believe his radar gun either.

Rgds,
Eric
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:08:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Where are they?

>I know there is a AB on the East coast but where are they?

Atlantic-British is in Mechanicville, NY.  You can call them at 
800-533-2210.  I've been using them for better than 20 years.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:18:55 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: nice exit

The only thing I can say about Renewed Traditions and this commercial
content stuff is...
did anybody ever see them post anything that wasn't sales orienated? Any
free helpful advice? Keep it clean, not blatant ads and wastes of space...
we'll all respect that, no rules or other lists needed... unless we are
just out for CASH, then clashes happen. And as you can see by Sean
Sinkholes post...the system will clean itself!
See ya! Nice slam to the rest of us though.
As for not standing up and saying it to them, well...I never said this
before, as I thougth it would offend some of you on the list who were
singing RT's praises...but now I don't care.
In my personal opinion Sean and RT, as I'm sure you are still lurking... I
think you suck! Blasting a good 40 percent of the North American Rover
crowd is not a good move, and if you feel the need to blast the list, it
obviously points to the fact that you are out to profit from these people
ONLY, not take part in heated debates, or calm conversations, and sometimes
even really funny subjects. Your repeated late SIII imports are not legal
by US laws *no matter what bullshit chassis change you think gets you by
the DOT laws*, and you are obviously not looking for a club or anything
else but money and sales, and the need to tell people what they want to
hear in order to separate them from their paychecks! Truly good and helpful
companies like Rovers North and all the others will always prevail due to
the fact that just like everyone here at ECR, we were all ROVER FANS and
OWNERS, long before any company came about! Not just a good way to make a
buck, actually running a Rover company is a big time money hungry beast,
looking for quick cash from suckers.. try junk bonds or something. Rover
crowds are political, and we do talk about everyone... that is because it
is a very small and tight group, a long distance connection of owning and
fixing Rovers! Geez, I think I met or at least saw just about all the
Rovers in the Eastern North America at our Off Road day and the DownEast
rally!! A great bunch I thought.
So take your blasting and go look for a bunch of idiots who have no clue to
make money off.

SEE YA!

That is my view!
As for any rebuttle RT.. feel free to call me anytime at 207.594.8086, and
I'll gladly fill you in on LEGAL US import laws and what an asshole you
are!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:24:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: nice exit

OK folks....I'm taking bets on who gets the severed horse's head in their bed 
this evening!  Takers?

Lighten Up!

Eric
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: nice exit
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 15:26:47 BST

> OK folks....I'm taking bets on who gets the severed horse's head in their bed 
> this evening!  Takers?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Eric
> OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.

As a "dealer" - you're feeling a little worried then, Eric?   :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:36:12 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Land Rover Shoes

A friend of mine just turned me on to the following tidbit -- which I
assume does NOT refer to the Tom Machan (sp?) boots...

>From Entertainment Weekly's "Jim Mullen's Hot Sheet...What the country is
talking about this week..."

>#15. Land Rovers - The maker of the pricey vehicles is coming out with a
>line of rugged footwear. To wear from the car to the house.

Anyone else know anything about this.  And how do you all feel this might
affect our ownership experience???

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
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               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:38:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: nice exit

On Wed, 31 Jul 96, marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden) wrote:
>> OK folks....I'm taking bets on who gets the severed horse's head in their bed 
>> this evening!  Takers?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>> OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
>As a "dealer" - you're feeling a little worried then, Eric?   :-)
No, Just trying to lighten the mood before a fist fight breaks out!  Just call 
me the UN of the list....well intentioned, but largely ineffective.  :)

Rgds,
Eric

There we go, I'll start a thread about the merits of the UN....oops.  :)

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OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: nice exit
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:43:49 BST

> >> OK folks....I'm taking bets on who gets the severed horse's head in their bed 
> >> this evening!  Takers?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Eric
> There we go, I'll start a thread about the merits of the UN....oops.  :)

Back to Landies then...
Notice that some of the demobbed Lightweights still bare UN colours.
About 2 months ago, I say UN (?ex-Bosnia) Lightweight in Huddersfield.
Shame I was a passenger in an Astra - I always feel much better when I
meet something like that, if I'm driving Alice (the FFR).

I hear that *officially* all of the Lightweights have now been demobbed.

Richard

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:49:51 -5
Subject: Re: Land Rover Shoes

> >#15. Land Rovers - The maker of the pricey vehicles is coming out with a
> >line of rugged footwear. To wear from the car to the house.
> Anyone else know anything about this.  And how do you all feel this might
> affect our ownership experience???

I think it's fine as long as they're made of aluminum and have 
galvanized lace eyelets.
Oh, and I guess to feel really comfortable in them, I'd really need 
them to leak oil and have little Lucas lights in the heels that light 
up when you walk (sometimes).

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:51:25 -5
Subject: Re: nice exit

Eric writes:
> There we go, I'll start a thread about the merits of the UN....oops.  :)

Hey, no problems with the UN, they use Land Rovers.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:50:31 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: nice exit

>No, Just trying to lighten the mood before a fist fight breaks out!  Just call
>me the UN of the list....well intentioned, but largely ineffective.  :)

Take heart from the fact that around Land Rovers troubled waters
are impossible.There's usually so much oil about they dont have a
chance to *become* troubled.

Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Shoes
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:51:58 BST

> I think it's fine as long as they're made of aluminum and have 
> galvanized lace eyelets.
> Oh, and I guess to feel really comfortable in them, I'd really need 
> them to leak oil and have little Lucas lights in the heels that light 
> up when you walk (sometimes).

Waterproofing would, of course, be dodgy.
Souls should be made of box iron (a bit like those old hiking boots with steel
souls). They should last for 50+ years, and be able to survive being chucked
out of a plane...

Richard   (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 12:02:14 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

For sale:

Land Rover Genuine Parts SIII Severed Horse Head Gaiter Kit -$1295 new in box

For those not "in the know", this item was available originally for those 
unfortunate 'Landy' owners who used their 'vehicles' to pull a horse trailer. In
the event that the trailer turned over on a muddy track, it wasn't uncommon for 
the poor horse's head to become severed. If the trailer was destroyed, as was 
often the case, the horse would have to be dragged through the mud as there was 
just no room inside the truck. Also there would be no way to tie it to the 
bonnet  because of the spare tyre. So the gaiter kit would cover the neck stump 
and the entire severed head, keeping mud and other trail grit from entering the 
exposed fleshy areas and causing permanent damage. Once back into civilization 
the preserved head could be reattached. The gaiter kit will store nicely in the 
top section of your ARB locker...BTW these are no longer available legally in 
the US, so this one has been relabeled as a Series II item. Don't call Lanny.

Dave "Whatever happened to good taste" B.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 12:04:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Shoes

>#15. Land Rovers - The maker of the pricey vehicles is coming out with a
>line of rugged footwear. To wear from the car to the house.
Anyone else know anything about this.  And how do you all feel this might
affect our ownership experience???

Just be careful they don't stink up your ARB locker!!

Dave "that was much too easy" B.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:45:34 -5
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

> For sale:
> Land Rover Genuine Parts SIII Severed Horse Head Gaiter Kit -$1295 new in box

-
You know, I *didn't* know about them. Having lived in Northern 
Virginia (horse country) and having had this problem on occasion, is 
why I rigged up my PTO driven meat grinder/coffee mill.

And to think I went to all that work for nothing. Although Dixon 
*was* nice enough to buy one for trail use.

>Dave "Whatever happened to good taste" B.
Did it *ever* exist on this list? Or at least it hsn't since they let 
you on. ;-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> You know, I *didn't* know about them. Having lived in Northern 
> Virginia (horse country) and having had this problem on occasion, is 
> why I rigged up my PTO driven meat grinder/coffee mill.

	A most excellent and useful accessory.  No off-road trip should
	be without one.

> And to think I went to all that work for nothing. Although Dixon 
> *was* nice enough to buy one for trail use.

	Well, with people like massive headwound Harry and Dave B. in the
	club catching all that game, we need accessories like this.

> >Dave "Whatever happened to good taste" B.

	Good taste is the fresh small furry mammal, ground to perfection
	then cooked on the manifold after a long day of cross-country
	greenlaning down a hydro cut.  Guinness is in the off-road beer 
	cooler of course.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:24:19 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

> For sale:
> Land Rover Genuine Parts SIII Severed Horse Head Gaiter Kit -$1295 new in box

-
>>>You know, I *didn't* know about them. Having lived in Northern 
Virginia (horse country) and having had this problem on occasion, is 
why I rigged up my PTO driven meat grinder/coffee mill.

Not going there...

>>>And to think I went to all that work for nothing. Although Dixon 
*was* nice enough to buy one for trail use.

Or there...

>Dave "Whatever happened to good taste" B.
>>>>Did it *ever* exist on this list? Or at least it hsn't since they let 
you on. ;-)

See? I can be 'just' as refined as the rest of you buggers...

Dave B.

Four wheel drive allows you to drag meat through the mud
  in places even more inaccessible.

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:17:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

> Some sort of boy racer in a tank?

:-) Hey! Thats it! I'll paint A big white dot with the number 9 on the doors,
and an offset pair of 4" racing stripes. I'll be the terror of the freeway...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: D90 Winch Points
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:45:00 CDT

When I called RN to purchase the "nose rings" for my D90, they   
recommended that I buy just one and that there was no need to have one on   
each side.  Is this correct or was the RN rep mistaken?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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Andy,
Yes replace the two front tie down loops with the military recovery loops   

if your planning to use these points for recovery. If you really get good   

and stuck the tie down loops are not strong enough to be safe.
Cheers,
Barnett

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: Philadelphia LR club.
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:53:00 CDT

Well, I've been a member of ROAV for about half a year now, and   
unfortunately, it's usually a really long drive (7 or 8 hours) to get to   
their club-meets.  Apparently, their is a club forming in the   
Philadelphia area. (off-roading to be done in the Pocconos mostly...)  If   
there are any interested members on this list, you can contact Jason Silk   
at jase757@aol.com.  (Personally, I will remain a member of ROAV due to   
their interesting news letters and the outside chance that the wife might   
agree to an extended weekend/drive to get to any of their meets.)

Please excuse the plug,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 31 Jul 96 14:10:29 EDT
Subject: RE: D90 Winch Points

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 31 Jul 96 14:15:38 EDT
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:49:41 -0500
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

I thought I heard recently that RN just came across a few of the original
genuine PTO meat grinders. Call Lanny and ask him about the Sweeny Meat Rover
kits...

Tim
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tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:29:10 -5
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

> Tom Rowe adds to the gaiter discussion:

As does Alan, to wit:

> Tom, as Dixon and I found out at the Birthday Party, the grinder attachment 
 doesn't always work right on the standard gearbox. If you're going to do any 
 serious disposal work (mobsters are difficult because of the lead particles, 
 for example), then you really need to fit your Rover with a 1-Ton Hi-Cap Rover 
 transfer case and the T-case driven PTO. The lower gearing gives a coarser chop 
> but it makes dealing with the difficult bits much easier.
I was aware of that. The heavy use mine's received here in WI (trying 
to keep down the deer population since no-one will hunt does) has 
convinced me that as soon as I get my Perkins installed I'll be 
converting it to hydraulic power (the 4-203 has a timming case mount 
for a pump). That way I can automaticly add a bit of oil as it comes 
out so it doesn't stick to the manifold when cooking.

Dixon, I can convert yours for you. For a small fee of course (a case 
of Guiness). 

note to coiled vehicles (in a locker or not): I wouldn't advise trying 
to run it off your ps pump.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:26:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: D90 Winch Points

On Wed, 31 Jul 96, "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com> wrote:
>When I called RN to purchase the "nose rings" for my D90, they   

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>recommended that I buy just one and that there was no need to have one on   
>each side.  Is this correct or was the RN rep mistaken?
First of all....I'm not going to call any RN rep "mistaken"..it just depends on 
what you're planning to do.  For most off-roading, only one is fine.  If you're 
going to go full gonzo and see how high you can get the mud line on your D90, 
you might want two.  Th book "Land Rover Experience" details some pretty 
elaborate setups in order to spread the strain of a pull over the entire 
chassis...setups that require an attachment to both chassis rails.  Chances are, 
you'll never need them, but if you're trying for the best equipped D90 award, 
you could always go for two.

How's that for wishy washy....

Eric

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Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:28:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

On 31 Jul 96, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 
>>>Dave "Whatever happened to good taste" B.
>>Did it *ever* exist on this list? Or at least it hsn't since they let 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Naah, it was never there. Witness Dixon's presence....
>     ajr

Doesn't tacky qualify as tasteless as well?

Eric

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:34:48 -5
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

Tim Harincar writes:
> I thought I heard recently that RN just came across a few of the original
> genuine PTO meat grinders. Call Lanny and ask him about the Sweeny Meat Rover
> kits...
Couldn't be. It's either a mistaken rumor, or a cheap knockoff of my 
patented Antichrist Anti Animal Attachment that I designed myself 
(with design input from Peter Hirsch).
I better get onto Lanny and see what's up. Somebdy gone' be in 
trouble.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 31 Jul 96 14:34:13 EDT
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:51:10 -5
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

> No, no no.....you don't want one of these. They weren't for the PTO unless you 
> got the adapter kit - they're crankshaft-driven like a Koenig winch - and 
> harder to get parts for too.
> Remember, this is the front mounted model for catching 'em on the go....

Ah, that explains it. A cheap imitation (there still may be a patent 
infringement suit though, I'll have to talk to my wife)
As people will recall, the Antichrist Anti-Animal Attachment mounts 
on the rear of the LR and (with it's larger optional hopper) receives 
the bits as they are flung over the top of the Rover, having been 
nicely pre-diced by the cables running from the bull bar to the roof 
rack.
It can, of course, be manually fed right at the standard hopper, just 
more work.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:01:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: D90 Winch Points

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Boehme, Doug wrote:

> When I called RN to purchase the "nose rings" for my D90, they
> recommended that I buy just one and that there was no need to have one on
> each side.  Is this correct or was the RN rep mistaken?

He has it right: "nose rings": one is adequate.
For "nipple rings" you can go with one or two.

Regarding 'kinetic recovery' mentioned by EricZ, use of either of the
above is a scary thought.

David R.
'94 D90 as yet 'unpierced' - but probably not for long.

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: D90 Winch Points

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>Regarding 'kinetic recovery' mentioned by EricZ, use of either of the
>above is a scary thought.

Kinetic recovery in general is a scary thought....and sight!

Rgds,
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Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:00:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

>>>I thought I heard recently that RN just came across a few of the original
genuine PTO meat grinders.

>>>>>No, no no.....you don't want one of these. They weren't for the PTO unless 
you 
got the adapter kit - they're crankshaft-driven like a Koenig winch - and 
harder to get parts for too.

Gentlemen, gentlemen...

We all remember, of course, the most popular upgrade from that was good ol part#
LRI88L, the Land Rover Crankcase Beer Batterer. This was a combination of the 
earlier crankcase still (MT16OZ) and a new crankshaft mounted meat tenderizer. 
This conversion was the basic PCV driven still, combined with special big-end 
bearing caps that were as standard, 'cept with the addition of an extended cast 
piece with waffle head on it. This would pummel the living daylights out of 
whatever choice cut you had placed into the removable sump. After a short drive 
through the countryside with the still going at full steam, You would have 
turned the toughest squirrel fillet into a tender beer-battered morsel fit for 
the Queen herself... 

Dave "MMMmmmm...tasty" B.

BTW, Alot of cars still have the stills installed, but the owners often rip the 
systems out thinking that they are some sort of emission control. Also the  
occasional bones left behind by the beer-battering crankshaft often are the 
cause of that bottom-end growl...

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From: Darrell.Fremont@uni.edu
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:17:06 -0600 (cst)
Subject: Re[2]: Alpine Windows

     does anyone have any tips for replacement of hub seals and races. 
     i'm about to embark on this mission as well as new brake shoes on my 
     series III 88. any tips will be appreciated.
     
     darrell.fremont@uni.edu
     '73 series III 88SW "peggy"

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:10:30 -5
Subject: Re: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

> Dave "MMMmmmm...tasty" B.
> BTW, Alot of cars still have the stills installed, but the owners often rip the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> occasional bones left behind by the beer-battering crankshaft often are the 
> cause of that bottom-end growl...
I recall reading that one of the benefits of the still, besides those 
mentioned in your post, was that all the acumulated fur in the sump 
helped put an end to those pesky rear main leaks.

Maybe we should let sleeping horses lie.
ouch! that hurt.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> I recall reading that one of the benefits of the still, besides those 
> mentioned in your post, was that all the acumulated fur in the sump 
> helped put an end to those pesky rear main leaks.

	The earlier military sumps were straight out of the optional
	LR Still Kit.  Notice that it was plumbed in such a way that
	it was easily adapted for use with an oil cooler for the military.

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:33:50 -0400
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh? : New List

I propose a new list is needed
LRO-HUMOR
A charter subscriber list could be easily created.

What has been going on today? Is it the alignement of the stars and moon?
Several folks must have had coworkers puzzled by the sporadic laughter. Then
again LR ownership is frequently regarded as a sign of harmless derangement.

David Cockey
Progressing in the repair by taking more and more parts off.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 21:17:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alpine Windows

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 Darrell.Fremont@uni.edu wrote:

>      does anyone have any tips for replacement of hub seals and races. 
>      i'm about to embark on this mission as well as new brake shoes on my 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>      darrell.fremont@uni.edu
>      '73 series III 88SW "peggy"
Pull everything off until you get to the old race and then stop and have 
a beer.  Why? because the next part sucks.  Beat the hell out of the old 
race with a good chisel.  It should split and slide off.  Slide on the 
new one and replace the old seal and away you go.  Do your felts at the 
same time and you should have a leak-free zone (By Rover standards)

Russ

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Date: 	Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:42:06 -0700
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: UK Tax free LR purchase for export?

Could anyone tell me who to contact regarding the purchase of a tax free
Land-Rover
Defender for Export? Do I talk to Solihull, or are there dealers for this
sort of thing?
I looked throught LRO and all are franchised used dealers. Thanx,

-----------------------------------------
Chris Youngson, VE7CST

West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada                   
Email: cyoungso@direct.ca
1965 Series IIA 109 3-Door (in pieces)
Tesla Bladeless Pumps & Turbines
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Yukon Ho!

I am thinking of doing a trip up to the Yukon
and Alaska next summer/fall and am wondering
if there are any other rovers interested in the
same thing?  I spent a lot of time in the Yukon
as a kid (yeah, I was actually mining for gold)
but never had much of a chance to play tourist.
It would be fun to have a few other rovers to
convoy with (and comforting as well!)

The 100th anneversary of the discovery of gold
will be happening next summer, so Discovery Days
in Dawson City would be good to catch.  I was
thinking of driving up the Alaska Highway into
Alaska, coming back around and up to Dawson 
City, then over across the Dempster Highway
into the NWT and down into Alberta.  Alternate
routes for people could include going back the
Stewart Cassiar or running down the coast by
ferry from Anchorage to Seattle.

A few rovers would be useful to keep duplicated
spares to a minimum.  Essential equipment would
include guitars and beer :-)

Anwyay, let me know if you are interested.

BTW that nasty whining noise from the drive train
was actually the tyres on the pavement (no sound
on gravel)......

Clinton "worst case" Coates

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 21:05:51 -0500
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh? : New List

> What has been going on today?

Full moon (well, yesterday, but close enough for non-astromoner type.) And a 
Blue Moon, too, (second full moon of july). Thats enough of an explination
for me...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:19:37 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alpine Windows

At 09:17 PM 7/31/96 -0400, you wrote:
>      does anyone have any tips for replacement of hub seals and races. 
>      i'm about to embark on this mission as well as new brake shoes on my 

	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
>      darrell.fremont@uni.edu
>      '73 series III 88SW "peggy"

Remove the stub axle, put it in a vise with the stub part facing up, use a
cold chisel, and carefully split the old race, striking blows parallel to
the axle line.  You don't need to completely split it, just cut a wedge in
it which will loosen it enough for you to take channel-locks and work it
off.  When installing the new races, use a section of soft pipe, the old
race, or something else to make sure you don't dent or gouge the surface of
the race on which the seal rides, which unfortunately is the same surface
that you would want to whack on to drive the race down the stub.

You might as well check the hub bearings while you have things apart.  When
reassembling, remember the hub is not supposed to be completely stuffed with
grease.  Instead, the felt washer is meant to allow oil from the swivel
housing to seep into the hub.  I packed the bearings with grease though,
since I wasn't sure how long it would take for oil to seep through.

You might want to check for play in the swivel bushes before you disassemble
everything.  If you have play, you might well replace the swivel bushes and
swivel pins because it is such a pain to take all that apart again later.

Finally, don't tighten the hub nuts excessively, or you'll overtighten the
bearings.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 21:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: UK Tax free LR purchase for export?

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Chris Youngson wrote:

> Could anyone tell me who to contact regarding the purchase of a tax free
> Land-Rover
> Defender for Export? Do I talk to Solihull, or are there dealers for this
> sort of thing?
> I looked throught LRO and all are franchised used dealers. Thanx,

Chris,

Are you looking for new or used?  If used, you'll need to check the 
specifics on Canadian importation rules.  I gather that they are less 
restrictive than the US rules;  I think somebody up there (Dixon 
perhaps) cited the 18 year rule.  Here it's 25 years.

If you are thinking about a new vehicle, rumor has it that Solihull won't 
allow the delivery of US Specification vehicles in the UK.  One can 
speculate as to the reason(s), but so far that has been the consistent 
reading.  A couple of days ago I sent some email to a London dealer who 
maintains a Home Page and offers UK delivery of export models for 
temporary use in the UK.  So far no response.  I did specify US Spec, so 
you may want to contact them regarding Canadian vehicles.  If your 
interested I can dig up the address.

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1969 Dormobile- "Bertha"      *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:48:51 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: UK Tax free LR purchase for export?

Chris Youngson wrote:

> Could anyone tell me who to contact regarding the purchase of a tax free
> Land-Rover
> Defender for Export? Do I talk to Solihull, or are there dealers for this
> sort of thing?

Give Art Vandorstar at U.K. Trek & Traction a call (604) 888-2813

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:36:05 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: LRO List T-Shirt?

The other day I had an idea !

How about all the folks on the LR List sort of form an ad-hoc club and have
a simple T-shirt saying something to that effect.
Consider you see some stranger walking along (at billing for instance) with
this T-Shirt on, You will instantly recognise him/her as a member of the LRO
List Club, and then consume lots of malt based beverages in oily conditions !

Is this a good idea or must I sit in the corner ?

Brian Cotton

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From: C.J.Short@ste0418.wins.icl.co.uk
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:08:22 +0100
Subject: RE: LRO List T-Shirt?

          Brian, sit in the corner with a malt beverage and knock together 
         some T-Shirts and send me one.
          Sounds like a good idea to me but then I`m just about to finish 
         yet another night shift so anything sounds good, even my LR.
         
                             Chris (SIII Winifred)         

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From: Mage <mage@cia.com>
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 00:25:07 +0100

At 07:36 AM 01/08/96 +0200, you wrote:
>The other day I had an idea !

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Is this a good idea or must I sit in the corner ?
>Brian Cotton
Sounds like a great idea....  What we need now is someone from the list with
some artistic talent to do the artwork.  I am not artistic, but I would be
willing to help out by sourcing a company to produce the shirts.  However,
first things first, do people want this?

Rick

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:05:29 +0200
From: Jody Scharrenborg <jody@cyberlab.nl>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Shoes

>A friend of mine just turned me on to the following tidbit -- which I
>assume does NOT refer to the Tom Machan (sp?) boots...

>>line of rugged footwear. To wear from the car to the house.

Just had a look at the boots ( http://www.landrover.com/gear/boots.html ).
maybe after a walk trough 10" of mud they could start to look like true
LR-gear.
I hate to walk anyway

Jody

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:01:11 +0200
Subject: Re: LRO List T-Shirt?

On Aug 1, 12:25am, Mage wrote:
> willing to help out by sourcing a company to produce the shirts.  However,
> first things first, do people want this?

Yes they do! At least, I do.

TK
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:17:54 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: What the Hell is wrong with y'all?!

Is it just my impression or is the North American Landrover scene just
about to implode.

After a couple of days away I've downloaded about 200 mailings from this
lro club and precicesly 2 were of any interest!

PEDANTS RULE USA OK!

Get a life, get out in the WAGON and chill

And I thought it was us Brits that could turn complaining into an olympic sport!

Now I see that medal could go to the US too

_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_

Simon Ward-Hastelow

Orpington, Kent, U.K.

whastelow@atlas.co.uk

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:15:25 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

>Tom Rowe
>UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
One of de *udder* sort,eh Tom?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:19:06 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

>:-) Hey! Thats it! I'll paint A big white dot with the number 9 on the doors,
>and an offset pair of 4" racing stripes. I'll be the terror of the freeway...
You mean you're not *already*?

Mike

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:43:15 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: HORSES pARtS, Eh?

>        The earlier military sumps were straight out of the optional
>        LR Still Kit.  Notice that it was plumbed in such a way that
>        it was easily adapted for use with an oil cooler for the military.
I dont think this is quite right Dixon.What at first appears to be an
oil cooler,is,in fact a tallow seperator.It should be plumbed in such
that the tallow is pumped into the gearbox.The mil gearbox was designed
as a total loss tallow lubricating system(there were,in effect no oil
seals,which helped availability in combat situations,such as MP patrols
in Colchester on Saturday evenings)and this box had plain bearings.
It is not advisable to try to fit the mil sump and tallowpot to civvy
vehicles without the tallow lubed box.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:20:08 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Winch on a D90?

>When looking for a winch.  You want to get a
>winch with 1 and 1/2 times the gross vehicle weight.  This means that a 9000
>lb. winch is best suited for the D90.

It is also worth noting that for winches fitted to Land Rovers, single line
pulls in excess of 5000lb are not recommended by LR ltd in their 'Winching
in Safety' manual. If the load is going to exceed this figure, then a snatch
block should be used.

 Tom
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Thomas D.I. Stevenson                          gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Fouling Project
University Marine Biological Station,      Tel 01475 530581
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland.       Fax 01475 530601
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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:56:15 +0000
Subject: Re: A question of netiquette

Sorry to prolong the agony even more, but this is a point I *do* want to 
make:

>From the UK_lro list, from 31 Jul 96

> > Are offers of land-rover items for sale (private not trade) acceptable
> > on this list please?

> Personally  speaking I would NOT be in favour of commercial companies
> advertising within this group. It ad's not for commercial gain would be
> Ok.
I think there is a difference between "Advertising" and "Information".
There is also a difference between a "Company ID" and an "Individual ID" 
(who also happens to be {self-}employed)

What I don't like is a weekly posting of "Company X has the following 
vehicles in stock..."

I see no problems with a vendor informing people of a one-off, ie - that
they have a rare vehicle for sale or just taken in a large batch from a 
distributor.

Nor do I see a problem with a private sale being advertised.

> I have no problem with replies like the "forest 4X4" ones, as they are
> offering genuine help, even if they occaisionally slip in the "well I
> have just such a part in stock" type comments.
This is helpful stuff!

These guys are giving away free info, based on experience - just like we 
all did two years ago. I also remember people saying "I have X, Y and Z 
for sale, phone me for more details"

what's the difference?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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