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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 08:16:30 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Dormobile roof for 110

>Is it possible to fit a doormobile roof to a 1985 110 CSW and if so where
>could I get one from.
-
Mike L. responds:

>>...snip... The only thing that won't fit is the windshield
>>.....snip....
>>You would have to modify your 110 roof to take all the hardware from the 109
roof.

...Or fit a Series III windscreen. They look better anyway...and cheaper to 
replace the glass too!

Happy Wrenching,
Dave B.

Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 08:29:11 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Alpine Windows

>>>I'm still hoping someone can supply me with a paper template of the roof
cutout for the Alpine windows as used on a Series III. 

>>> If anyone has
access to a Series Land Rover with the Alpine windows removed 

Oh sure I'll just go take mine out. :-)

>>>willing to make a quick tracing of the cutout, or at leat one end of it, I
would be eternally grateful.  Thanks.

I belive the standard practice is to buy the glass, set it where you want it on 
the roof, and trace it. Then make a new line a half (?) inch out from the 
original tracing. you can cut just inside this line (careful please) and finish 
off with files or whatever...I'm pretty sure this is done in the Lindsay 
Porter/haynes DIY guide to restoration...

Happy Hacking!

Dave B.

>>>C. Marin Faure
        author, Flying A Floatplane
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm curious about this, is it an instructional book, or fiction?...
Just wondering.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 08:50:09 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: What to call your Land Rover...

>>> SjakR writes:

>>>PS: I hereby state my protest to referring to a Land Rover as a "truck" by 
some of you lads in the US. In my modest opinion, a Land Rover was, is and 
in eternity will be - a Vehicle.

Protest my left boot, Jack! First of all, is this some kind of anti-US slur? 
:-), second of all, you've got it wrong anyway. It's not a truck, jeep, car, 
vehicle, Toyota, SUV, or whatever. A Land Rover has always been and will always 
be one thing. 

It's a Landy!

Cheers

Dave "or Rover, or even Land Rover" B.
Arlington Va. USA(big deal):-)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 9:00:41 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

Ha ha ha. You Norwegian guys are so funny sometimes. "Truck" it is and 
always shall be. 
As to your diesel problem: First thing to check is the cross shaft of the 
linkage. The little clamps often shake loose allowing the shaft to spin 
helplessly without doing its job of telling the timing pump to squirt 
more diesel. Be sure the pedal is all the way up or you'll have no 
acceleation.
Dirt is unlikely because the engine was running OK the night before and 
failed to work in the morning. If it were dirt it would have shut down 
with plenty of warning.
reply after you've checked linkage.
 
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 09:08:34 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Charging problem!!

Hi !!
>>>Im still trying to get my S2a =B466 to running condition -.

...good luck...

>>> Now Haynes says i should check the regulator
- but i cant see anything wrong with it (i may be blind!! - who knows?) -

I don't believe these things can be checked just by looking...

>>>so!!  - unrelated! - when i push the accelerator pedal a bit quickly - the
engine seems to "sufficate" - and kill it self!! - probably ignition timing

Okay, I'm going to try this one...probably not timing. 
Assuming you've got the Solex carb. A friend had a similar problem and it was 
due to loose linkage between the throttle linkage and the accelerator pump. The 
accelerator pump gives an extra burst of gas, because when you snap the throttle
open, there is a ll of a sudden lots of air rushing in and leaning out the 
mixture. So if the linkage is loose or the accelerator pump not working then the
extra gas doesn't get ther ein time or maybe at all, and the engine "suffocates"
itself.
 Find the accelerator pump on your carb and monve the throttle linkage, with the
engine off. IF the accelerator pump doesn't move at the same time then there is 
something loose in the linkage, which you should be able to find easily. If all 
is well in the linkage, then move the arm of the accelerator pump by hand while 
peering into the top of the carb. You should see sopme gas come out. if not then
there is something wrong and it's time to hit the books...

Help me!!

Thanx   Olafur Agust 
----*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*----
| hmo@rvik.ismennt.is       =B466 SIIa SWB                               |
| "If corrupt people will join forces!! - honest people must do the    |
|  same!!  -  ...it is as simple as that!!"                            |    =
|                                 War and Peace                        |

----*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*----

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:07:03 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Alpine Windows

>I belive the standard practice is to buy the glass, set it where you want
>it on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Happy Hacking!
>Dave B.
Ooh-er! Not *quite* a 1/2" Dave:-)
Way I put side windows,*side* windows,note..in my blindsider was thus.
Take a look at the rubber sealing strip.Its got a wide slot,and a narrow
slot separated by a centre section.Bad description,but look at it and
you'll see what I mean.The wide side's for the glass.Right,measure the
depth of the separator.The size of the glass,plus a little less than the
size of the separator is the size hole you want.I used 1/16 less.
Make a cardboard template using the glass to draw round plus,if I
remember rightly 3/16".All depends on the rubber you have.Cut out
the template and fix it on the vehicle (measure twice,cut once),
and draw round it.Cut just inside the line.You can file more out
bu you cant put it back.You need 1" more rubber than the perimeter
of the hole.Its got to be compressed.The rest you've worked out for
yourself.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: 29 Jul 96 09:09:12 EDT
From: Alain-Jean PARES <75240.2021@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Road springs settling

Hi

Another problem with my 88 SIII Diesel:

I changed yesterday my rear road springs with new one bought at Paddock.
but there is still settling (less than before, but too still much).

After reading the Haynes manual (page 189),
I saw
"it has been found that apparent settling of the road springs is generally a
result of 'wind up' in the shackle bushes... With the vehicle weight taken off
the springs and the vehicle securely supported, remove each shckle pin and check
that it it is a free fit in its mating threads or rubber bush inner sleeve. If
not, then clean the threads or bush sleeve to remove all corrosion and dirt"

As a french computer scientist, I read a lot of computer related english
documentation, but I have some problems with LR documents. Could somebody
explain me what is a shackle plate, and how to put my LR a little bit higher
than today.

Going to York, UK, friday, I'd like to know if I have spares to buy during the
week end.

Thanks a lot for your answers.

I wish to thanks everybody for the help for my overheating problem. I will check
the radiator this week. If someboby knows how to do it...

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 9:12:11 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: New use for Rovers

In the spirit of the Olympic Games in Atlanta, I have devised my 109 
diesel into a high diving platform.
Granted this requires a rather sharp drop-off at the bank of the pond, 
but I am fortunate to have just such a situation at the house on the 
Eastern Shore. I backed the Rover as close to the water's edge as I dared 
and used the ladder to climb up on the roofrack. It was a good ten feet 
down to the water, which falls away sharply from the bank to a depth of 
about 9 feet. Head first diving was certainly out of the question as it 
would have resulted in having ones head stuck firmly in the muddy bottom, 
but the old "cannonball" technique drew raves from the judges.
Next time, I'll figure out a way to rig a 2x12 as a diving board.

In all this fracas, we did manage to get the sailboat painted.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 09:27:05 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Alpine Windows

>I belive the standard practice is to buy the glass, set it where you want
>it on
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 11 lines)]
>Happy Hacking!
>Dave B.

Ooh-er! Not *quite* a 1/2" Dave:-)
Way I put side windows,*side* windows,note......

Okay okay. I was just going on memory here from the picture in lindsay Porter's 
book. 

BTW, Mike, did you start the hole with a hatchet as demonstrated in LROI(?) on 
their project 90?

Dave "justwondering" B.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:23:28 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Alpine Windows

Bobeck, David R. wrote:
> >>>I'm still hoping someone can supply me with a paper template of the roof
> cutout for the Alpine windows as used on a Series III.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
> I'm curious about this, is it an instructional book, or fiction?...
> Just wondering.

Don't worry!  I plan to go home tonight and take one of mine out.  I have 
to to it anyway, because the rubber has deteriorated.  

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 08:36:42 -5
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

> Hercules (my -77/88"/SIII/diesel) has got a summer cold. The Vehicle starts, 
> but refuses to put up more than idling speed. To be exact: Nothing happens 
> when I press the accelerator pedal. This happened overnight; when I left the 
> Vehicle for the evening, the engine ran smooth. The trouble occured without 
> the slightest warning the next morning.
snip
This may seem obvious, but did you check to make sure none of the 
linkages had'nt poped loose?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:32:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: ad pitch or just info?

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, David Rosenbaum wrote:
> his posts regarding Land Rovers for sale are brief, specific, and the
> reader is asked to contact him if they would like more information.>
this would be the main point in determining what is an ad pitch.....it is 
a fine line to walk
 
> After all, if such news is tastefully presented
> reader is asked to contact him if they would like more information.>
this is a bit foggy......what I consider "tasteful" I am quite sure would 
enrage more than a few folks on the list. > 

> It is clear that the long-winded notices from "Renewed Traditions" come
> across as advertising - with all of the hype and questionable legality of
this is the part that gets me a bit pissed.....the "questionable 
legality" if you are going to do some "bending" of the rules..don't jump 
up and down and tell the whole world about it. Somewhere there is a bored 
U.S. Customs guy just looking for an easy pinch just so he can get his 
brownie point for the day from his boss

> Making the distinction between "information" and "advertising" may not be
> easy - and brings to mind a debate occurring in King County, Washington
> State: the County Council (and Court) is arguing whether topless dancers
> performing on platform stages are expressing "art" or "lewd behavior."
I'll help on this one...
ART: she dances with a feather
LEWD: she dances with the whole chicken

cheers from Pittsburgh
Russ W.
67 RHD

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:35:22 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

>Ha ha ha. You Norwegian guys are so funny sometimes. "Truck" it is and
>always shall be.

Dear,dear me Bill.A "truck" is a thing pulled in a "goods" train.
Sometimes called a "wagon".If its anything but a Land Rover,it
should be a "lorry".
Just thought you'd like to know.......:-)
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:36:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: 1970 LR 88 For Sale (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:11:33 -0600
From: Greg Hiner <hiner@roadrunner.com>
Subject: 1970 LR 88 For Sale

Well I have decided to sell my Rover and I thought I would put it on the
list first - unfortunately I no longer seem to have a valid address as
lro@team.net is refused by my mail system. So could you forward this on to
the list or give me the current address. It is okay to put 4sale notes on
the list isn't it?

Hope all is well-

Greg

1970 LR 88
Southwest car whole life - very minimal cosmetic rust. Frame very solid.
Exterior and interior all original so nothing special but everything is
there and works (well okay the speedo sometimes works and few switches need
to be fiddled with). Mileage - busted - who knows. Standard hardtop - no
safari. Green. Overdrive. Major problems at this time: gearbox is good,
original IIa, stays in gears, all ratios good, noisy as usual - but the
seals are shot and it will pump oil out of the transfer box and into the
overdrive and gearbox and then out into moter nature when they get full
(can you say automatic frame oiler). Becomes problem only at high speeds
over long trip. Also starter motor has about had it. In addition the
parking brake is off and will need some new parts. Also last time I drove
it the running lights in the back were not working.

All parts mentioned as "new" are no more than 3 or 4 years old and have no
more than 10,000 miles on them.
Brake system - new master cylinder, rubber hoses, wheel cylinder, pads, and
drums.
All new tie rod ends.
Turner 2.25 engine with high performance unleaded head. Single barrell
Weber. New Ducelier distributor, water pump, fuel pump, alternator, and
Diehard battery. Jacobs Electronics electronic ignition (can be field
switched to standard system by changing one wire). All new hoses and engine
wiring harness.
New clutch master cylinder.
Front end had a light rebuild. Some new bearings, all new seals, Swivel pin
gaters.
Warn locking hubs.
Wheels have all been re-packed and seals and races have been replaced.
5 new Dunlop radials
Most of exhaust system is new.
New heavy duty gas tank - not OEM.

It looks okay and runs even better. I just don't have time for it any
longer and I hate to see it sitting.

7,000 US$

Respond by e-mail directly to me. I'm not on list.

Greg Hiner
Santa Fe, NM
hiner@roadrunner.com

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From: "J. Risse" <jris@oce.nl>
Subject: For sale: inner roof for D-110
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:31:24 +0200

I took the roof out because I had some other ideas about how the cabin
should look. It's for sale for Fl 50.00 (yes: dutch).
If you're in Holland soon and are interested in the roof, just mail me. I
also have an original jack and a green rear-spare-tire-cover I want to get
rid off

Bye,

Jean Risse (jris@oce.nl)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:40:21 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re[2]: Alpine Windows

>>Happy Hacking!
>>Dave B.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>their project 90?
>Dave "justwondering" B.
Not b****y Likely!!!! Used a road drill.......

Mike

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:50:46 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Road springs settling

>that it it is a free fit in its mating threads or rubber bush inner sleeve. If
>not, then clean the threads or bush sleeve to remove all corrosion and dirt"

Basically,what I think this means,as it applies to you,is that when you
replaced the springs,did the swinging links at the back of the spring,
swing freely when you took the spring off.These are the two links per
spring that go from the chassis to the rear of the road spring.If they
did,you're OK.If not,you may be in bother.Bearing in mind the bolts
at either end of these links usually wear,and the bushes they go through
wear as well,I cant see where Haynes dragged *this* one up from.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: LilRed90@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:58:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Lights! Camera! Action! (fwd)

I too have had this problem on several occasions.  LRNA now can install a
rear light assembly that will seal a little better.  Give them a call, the
install should still be covered by warrenty.  Also, if crossing streams or
cruising through thick mud on a regular basis, keep an ear out for your
starter.  We have gone through five since April of '95.  They too leak and
get packed with crud.  All still covered by warranty.  LR is finally going
back to Lucas for thier starters since this seems to more of a problem than
just a few times nationally.

Rover On...
Gus Hendricks
"lil red" 95 D90

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: Re: Truck
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:59:12 +-200

Truck-Wagon-Lorry- Land Rover

The English and the Americans have so many things common; except 
the language.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 9:55:34 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

Sure, and I suppose next you'll be telling me a "bonnet" is something 
that covers the engine compartment.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:01:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Distributor

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Chris R. Whitehead wrote:

> Hi I am looking for a distributor that can be reconditioned for my Series
> IIA. I am hoping that someone on the list can help me-I know I can always
>.
	The distributor (depending on year) is either a Lucas 25D4 (with	
	vaccuum advance) or a 45D4 (with vaccuum retard).  These distributors
	can be found on MGB's, Mini's, a pile of British iron.  All you
	need to do is keep the guts of your current failing icon of the
	Prince of Stealth and put it in the new.  The bodies, upper works
	etc are all the same.  Just the springs and counterweights etc differ
	between vehicles.

	Rgds,

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:05:18 BST

> Sure, and I suppose next you'll be telling me a "bonnet" is something 
> that covers the engine compartment.

You can't call it a "hood" - who do something as silly as put a soft-top
over the engine?    :-)

And my "safari door" opens up into the boot. Trunk? Anyone would think
it was an elephant, not a Land Rover.

At least a road is a road, and a pavement is a pavement, because its paved.

Richard

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 sjak.r.haaheim@vg.no wrote:

> PS: I hereby state my protest to referring to a Land Rover as a "truck" by 
> some of you lads in the US. In my modest opinion, a Land Rover was, is and 
> in eternity will be - a Vehicle.
.	
	In Ontario (Canada) the MOT classifies the pick-up version of 
	Land Rovers automatically as a truck.  The rest are classified
	as passenger cars.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:10:10 +0200
From: Defender@belgonet.be (Luc Rokegem)
Subject: Re: Size of LWB roofrack

I have a LWB roofrack on my 110 and it measure : 141cm. X 251cm. that is,
55.5in. X 98.8in.   I measured it from the inside.  I bought my roofrack
originally from Landrover and I think it will probably also fit a SIII.
Your main problem will be that the 101 FC is 72.5in. width and  a 110 and
probably a SIII is 70.5in. width.  I think that maybe the best solution,
will be that you make some U-rails so that you can spread the load to the
outside off the vehicle.

            _______________    Luc Rokegem
           //   |          |   St-Pauwels (Belgi=EB)
    ______//_ _ |          |#  defender@belgonet.be
    |   __            __   |#  http://www.belgonet.be/~bn000165/index.html
    |__/  \__________/  \__| 
       \__/          \__/      lawyers and Land-Rovers must be well greased

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:16:51 +0000
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

Miss-quoting Richard Marsden, from 29 Jul 96

> You can't call it a "hood"....
> .... up into the boot. Trunk?.....
> ... a road is a road, and a pavement is a pavement....
Who cares, so long as it's made of _Aluminium_ and is painted the right 
_colours_

<real *BIG* grin>

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:21:49 BST

> Miss-quoting Richard Marsden, from 29 Jul 96
> > You can't call it a "hood"....
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> _colours_
> <real *BIG* grin>

Indeed.

Mine's a truck - it says so on the name plate, and that's what I'll continue
to call it. It was good enough for Rover and the British Army...

Richard

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 29 Jul 96 10:31:16 EDT
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:30:06 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

>Sure, and I suppose next you'll be telling me a "bonnet" is something
>that covers the engine compartment.
>Bill Adams

No Bill,some concepts are just *too* difficult to grasp...:-)
Mike

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: Winch on a D90?
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:39:00 CDT

I'm toying with the idea of installing a winch on my '95 D90 and had a   
few questions for the list:

I have the original bumper with a simple wrap-around bull bar attached.   
 Do I replace the bumper and bull-bar with a winch-bumper-bull-bar   
assembly or are there good quality winch mounts for the existing bumper?   
 I also don't seem to remember what the list decided as to what was the   
best winch on the market? (Warn or Superwinch?)  What is a recommended   
strength rating for a winch? (8000 lbs?)  What am I looking at as far as   
a price is concerned?

Thanks for any help,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:45:50 +0000
Subject: SLROC events, late August..

This is a change to the previously advertised schedule...

The RTV has been cancelled, and been replaced with an "Open Adventure
trail", on Saturday the 24th The Enduro is still on Sunday the 25th, both
are open to non-LR vehicles.

For the Trail: The requirements for vehicles are: None. We would prefer
4WD, with some ground clearence, but it's not mandetory ;-)

For the Enduro: The requirements are more stringent, but still fairly
sensible - Battery tied down; return springs on the carbs; roll-cage;
cut-off switch; crash-helmets for driver & navigator and front & rear
tow-points.

The Trail will cost 5 quid for one circuit, 10 quid for all day access.

For the cost of the Enduro, write to:
	Ron Murdoch,
	5 Powdermill Brae
	Gorebridge
	Midlothian
	EH23 4HX
	Tel: 0131 663 0564 (work, and tell him you got the info from the Internet 
:-)

To win the Enduro, you have to get in more laps of the course than any one 
else in the time available (6ish hours). Last year, a V890 was beaten by a 
quad-buggy by 1 lap!

The Location for the events is Glendarg Farm, just north of Galashiels, in
the Borders.

There will be space available for camping - it will be in a field so
there will be virtually no facilities. The cost will be free to
participants (as far as I can find out) of either event, and available on
the Friday and Saturday nights. 

Lucas & I will be there, possibly even with my better three-quarters!

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:49:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Mike Rooth wrote:

> Dear,dear me Bill.A "truck" is a thing pulled in a "goods" train.
> Sometimes called a "wagon".If its anything but a Land Rover,it
> should be a "lorry".

	A "truck" is the thing that goes underneath a "car" that allows
	it to roll down the tracks as part of a "freight" train.  Generally
	their are two trucks under a car.  Next you are going to tell
	me that sleepers are not the wooden things going under the fish
	plates that site between the sleeper and rail.

> Just thought you'd like to know.......:-)

	Ditto...  :-)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:27:59 -0400
From: BRADLEY***************** <jethro@li.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Misc. (political discussion)

At 12:26 AM 7/29/96 -0700, you wrote:

>Making the distinction between "information" and "advertising" may not be
>easy - and brings to mind a debate occurring in King County, Washington
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>David Rosenbaum
>'94 D90 (surrey top: is that more topless than not??)
ART OR LEWD BEHAVIOR:
It all depends on what the onlooker has in his hand.  A glass of red wine is
acceptable.....you can figure what isn't.

I am from King County originally and I fondly remember all of those
ridiculous proposed laws that were meant to keep the fine folks from doing
themselves in.  Nice to see your tax dollars are still being well spent.

Brad
'95 Disco (art is fine with me)
####################################################
Want a few nice surprises ???
Come visit my WEBSITE
http://www.li.net/~jethro/jethro.htm
You will need Netscape V2
----Se ya there,   Jethro
####################################################

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From: jp@post.kosone.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Winch on a D90?

Douglas Boehme wrote:
>I'm toying with the idea of installing a winch on my '95 D90 and had a   
>few questions for the list:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Do I replace the bumper and bull-bar with a winch-bumper-bull-bar   
>assembly or are there good quality winch mounts for the existing bumper?  
The original bumper won't be strong enough!
LRNA sells a winching bumper with a 9000lb Warn winch - but it isn't quite
compatible with the current wrap-around bull bar.  It will fit with minor
surgery, but the winch may be awkward to use.  The LRNA bumper/winch comes 
with a dinky little A-bar to protect the winch only.
A better solution (IMHO) is from Rovers North.  They
make a good winching bumper to which the wrap-around bull bar attaches after 
trimmming the inside of the feet (and easily clears the winch - Superwinch
X9 - allowing plenty of room to operate it).  They can also install the
winch controller under the driver's seat (high and dry).
 
> I also don't seem to remember what the list decided as to what was the   
>best winch on the market? (Warn or Superwinch?) 
Obviously debatable!  The Superwinch fans certainly tout its reliability.

>What is a recommended strength rating for a winch? (8000 lbs?)  
Depends on how often and consistently you want to use it.  The 9000lb
Superwinch seems to be a nice, low-profile unit,  which should be adequate
for most uses.

>What am I looking at as far as a price is concerned?
$1500 - $1600 for the above combination, I think.

Hope this is of help,
John Pym
'94 Red D90 
'93 RR LWB
 

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:42:47 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

        A "truck" is the thing that goes underneath a "car" that allows
>        it to roll down the tracks as part of a "freight" train.  Generally
>        their are two trucks under a car.  Next you are going to tell
>        me that sleepers are not the wooden things going under the fish
>        plates that site between the sleeper and rail.
That's cheating,Kenner:-)
You've introduced those nasty modern eight wheel "bogie" wagons."Trucks"
go under "tramcars" in that context.*Everyone* knows that proper goods
trains pull "trucks" with only FOUR wheels.That's one at each corner.
But you've got the sleepers right,and the fishplates,so there's hope yet.
Except we've run out of wood,so we have to use concrete.
Mike

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:49:43 -5
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

Dixon writes:
> 	In Ontario (Canada) the MOT classifies the pick-up version of 
> 	Land Rovers automatically as a truck.  The rest are classified
> 	as passenger cars.

Hah! I can one up you there. In Wisconsin, if it doesn't have a rear 
seat, you have to buy truck plates. In other words, take the rear 
seats out of your 109 5 door and you have a truck.
My lightweight is a "truck".

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 16:53:33 BST

> Dixon writes:
> > 	In Ontario (Canada) the MOT classifies the pick-up version of 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> seats out of your 109 5 door and you have a truck.
> My lightweight is a "truck".

Therefore, 2-seater sports cars are trucks...?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII FFR 3/4-ton 4x4 Utility TRUCK)

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:26:36 -0500
Subject: Zenith 101

Ok, I had the carb apart, thanks to those that responded to my last note.
Trying to cure over-rich running and mixture screw that didn't seem to
effect anything. 

Upon closer inspection, I found the port the leads to the mix screw,
but it still seemed to be an air control. So I left the green plastic
in the slot (maybe the big spring isn't strong enough to hold the
screw in place).

The float is also worn on the hinge, so its kind of bouncing around. That
is not helping things, I'm sure, although I think it should function
normally for a while yet.

I did sand the body halves, the lower half was slightly warped but the
top was perfect.

When I got it all back together, and on the *truck* :-) (Minnesota 
actually has it down as a Utility Vehicle, like a van), I started with
the screw 1 1/2 turns from all the way in. Which, if it was true that
the screw controls fuel, should be on the lean end of the screw (in=
less fuel since the needle closes the port, right?).

Started up the *truck* and let it get warm, then started working the
mix. As I backed the screw out, my exhaust got clearer and the revs went
up. I went back out about another full turn and a half before it started
to hint a little, so I backed it in and left it, then re-adjusted the 
idle.

It sure feels like I was adding more air to the system by opening the
mixture screw... I'll check my plugs again in a day or so and see what
they look like.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 29 Jul 96 11:59:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

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From: HMEdwards@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:56:20 -0400
Subject: Long Distance Trip (USA Only)

Hi All,

I am about to make a long distance trip from Nevada to Florida in mid August
as part of a move.  My route will be from Las Vegas along I-40 to Amarillo
and then down thru Dallas and I-29 to Baton Rouge to I-10 on the way to
Tampa.  If any list members along the way are willing to offer help in the
unlikely event of a breakdown I would appreciate it.  I have a fairly
complete set of spares and fluids, but I normally drive short trips of 10-20
miles.  I'm not sure how my rover will handle all day driving. We all know
how reliable they are when driving habits change.  Please E-mail me direct,
as I will be unsubscribing from the list shortly. TIA

Harry Edwards
Las Vegas, NV (Soon to be Tampa, Fla.)
72 Series III
HMEdwards@aol.com

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:01:48 -5
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

Richard asks:
> Therefore, 2-seater sports cars are trucks...?

Hey, I don't make the rules!

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: GNBull3@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:07:15 -0400
Subject: 101" FC Parts

I just joined the LRO mailing list and I was wondering if
 anybody knows
where I can get reasonably priced 101 parts?
Does anybody have parts that they are interested in selling?
If so, drop me a line.

George Bull
GNBULL3@aol.com
101" FC
109" SII SW

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Def-90 Lights
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:16:29 PDT

In reference to Dtisher's msg on Def-90 lights, I had a similiar problem with
my 1994 Def-90, it was still under warrenty so I took it to the dealer, they
said it was a corroded wire and light socket causing grounding problems, I drove
on a lot of salted roads all winter,and it must have corroded the rear light
internals.

Also, I just got done doing the 30,000 mile main on my Defender, changed the 
diff fluid, transfer case, tranny, and am replacing all spark wire and plugs. It was
not as hard as I thought it would be, however, I did find that the dealers are
not used to people trying there own maint, they did not even carry the tranny 
copper washer for the drain plug, and I found my transmission is not even the
same type as they list in my manual (confused me for a while, mine does not
have the filter as part of the drain plug like in the manual).

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
'94 Defender-90 (Red)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:31:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Mike Rooth wrote:

> That's cheating,Kenner:-)

	:-)

> But you've got the sleepers right,and the fishplates,so there's hope yet.
> Except we've run out of wood,so we have to use concrete.

	Been testing concrete ties ('nother new word) for 20 years now.
	Still only on one main section of rail, between Montreal and
	Toronto at Kingston.  Weather seems to break them up at a rate
	fast enough that the wooden ties are still cheaper.  Since we 
	need some LR content here, Canadian National bought a bunch
	of IIA 109 pick-ups.  What made them unique is that while they
	looked normal, all the body panels were steel, not aluminium.
	

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:34:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Hah! I can one up you there. In Wisconsin, if it doesn't have a rear 
> seat, you have to buy truck plates. In other words, take the rear 
> seats out of your 109 5 door and you have a truck.
> My lightweight is a "truck".

	Never underestimate our bureaucracy...

	Same goes here, depending on their mood, but if you do have
	a pick-up, or a lightweight, and you put personalised plates on 
	it, the truck plates turn into passenger plates.  Murray's
	lightweight transformed from a truck to a passenger car with the 
	change of 4 bolts.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 29 Jul 96 13:46:25 EDT
Subject: Re:Steel LR?

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Subject: Re: you've been unsubscribed from the lro lists 
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:49:56 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Actually, I forgot to put who the message was directly addressed to in the content of the message, so the real-time readers, might have mistaken it for
mail to them, not copied to them unless they looked at the headers.

It wasn't meant for you David, sorry for the confusion this might have 
caused, (fyi, it was targeted at gregspitz@aol, who forwarded a whole list
of vehicles for sale)

	Cheers,
	-B

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:51:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Winch on a D90?

> Douglas Boehme wrote:
> >I'm toying with the idea of installing a winch on my '95 D90 and had a
> >few questions for the list...

Dear Doug:

I have a '94 D90 that has the LRNA winch kit for that year: a Warn 8000
mounted under the front bumper: very neat, concealed look. It has been
*great* for the way I use it: occasional pulls to help me or others get
"unstuck" from muddy tracks or snow. Because of where it is mounted, it
would not be the best choice for someone who does deep water crossings.
And in general, if you intend on doing a lot of winching, a unit on top of
the bumper might be more convenient.
The LRNA '94 winch is mounted under the stock bumper and does not
interfere at all with the LRNA wrap-around brush bar, or bumper-mounted
LRNA accessory light bar.

I do not know if the '94 LRNA winch kit it still available; I saw that
Rovers North makes a low-profile winch kit - that *looks* similar to my
D90's. Their brouchure says that in addition, the solenoid and control
unit are mounted inside the passenger compartment of the D90 (easier to
get to, and less likely to be damaged by "the elements"). Also, I believe
that they said that the electric cables are beefier than others' set ups
for better winch performance. (A review of the '94 D90 in Four Wheeler
said that the '94 LRNA winch didn't seem to live up to its 8000lb rating-
and the reviewer speculated that it might have to do with the wiring
set-up....)
I do not recall the brand of winch that the Rovers North kit is designed
for...

In short, if you plan on using the winch *a lot*, a bumper-top unit might
be preferable. If you want the winch primarily as a recovery tool for when
you've screwed up (or come upon somebody else who has), the under/behind
the bumper unit should be fine, and maintains the intended aerodynamic
face of the D90 :-^)

Best wishes,
David Rosenbaum
'94 D90

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rover Rentals on Nantucket

Here's a question for our northeastern U.S. readers:
I planning on a weekend on Nantucket later this summer and I'm in need of a 
rental car.  A friend of mine mentioned that he had rented a Land Rover when he 
was there.  This person probably does not know the difference between a LR and a 
J**p but I figured I would ask to see if anyone had any knowledge of this.  Any 
help would be appreciated.

Rgds,
Eric
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:25:15 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Alpine Windows

You wrote: 
>I'm still hoping someone can supply me with a paper template of the roof

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>would be eternally grateful.  Thanks.
>C. Marin Faure

E-mail me your address and I'll send you a paper version.  I've currently got my 
windows out for painting.

cheers,

Jeremy

jjbpears@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 14:22:59 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Must be a slow news day...

How on earth did we end up with so much doofy crosstalk about railroad 
ties and stuff. Are we really that bored today?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
Casting stones from my glass house

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re:Steel LR? (fwd)

> What was their reasoning here, if you have any idea?
> Are any of them left? 

	No idea to the reasoning...  
	
	One is in Toronto, the others in a wrecking yard near Belleville.
	Owner wants thousands and thousands for them.  Screw 'em...

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:21:58 -0500
Subject: Re:Steel LR? (fwd)

        One is in Toronto, the others in a wrecking yard near Belleville.
        Owner wants thousands and thousands for them.  Screw 'em...

You bet. He better sell while he's got someone willing to pay anything for
them. If he waits long enough, the bodies will go the way of a Toyota, if
LR used steel as thin as the aluminum...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:45:57 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Alpine Windows

Jeremy Bartlett wrote:
> You wrote:
> >I'm still hoping someone can supply me with a paper template of the roof
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> Jeremy
> jjbpears@ix.netcom.com

Okay, that means I can abort my mission to the barn tonight.

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re:Steel LR? (fwd)

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 harincar@internet.mdms.com wrote:

> You bet. He better sell while he's got someone willing to pay anything for
> them. If he waits long enough, the bodies will go the way of a Toyota, if
> LR used steel as thin as the aluminum...

	They did.  There were some aluminium bodied ones to the same
	"spec".  They had storage compartments in the top of the
	wings, in front of the rear wheels etc.  One of the aluminium
	bodied ones is near Goderich Ontario.  Was for sale last year
	for about 5k Canadian.  In excellent shape when I looked at it.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:06:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: rear light wells

Allan Smith mentioned a part # for a sealing gasket for a D90 rear light 
well.  He also mentioned that he's got a mud shield built in to his D90's 
body.  Any ideas what that part number might be? I never saw that on a 
U.S D90 and I'd rather install LR material than my own homegrown. I recently
got a ticket for an "inoperative" signal light.  It was the kind of ticket you
can get taken care of the next day and by mailing proof of correction the
ticket is voided.  The officer did not consider me wriggling the wires until it 
started blinking again as proof of "fixing."  So I went to the dealer (Glen 
Cove, N.Y.) and they (actually it was one guy, Mike the service manaager)
replaced the whole light socket while I stood there.  I didn't even have time 
for a bagel or cappucino. 
Also went for my 22,500 warranty service.  No major complaints, however I 
did notice what looked like a little seepage on the engine (now a golden 
baked color from all the mudd) where valve covers meet the main case.  
I was told that that was not uncommon and they replaced the gaskets.  
This time I had a few moments to demolish some bagels and cappucino.  I'm 
a little concerned about this whole gasket thing.  If it is common that 
would suggest that LR was using faulty gasket material, any other D90's 
experiencing this?  I've heard stories of old series with blown gaskets 
using newspapers in a pinch, but would really rather not find out if that 
were true in the middle of a big field or gulley.

Rich
D90 #2948 with some new gaskets (munch,munch...)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 22:08:26 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Off-road

All, 

Those planning on coming off-roading in NH this Saturday, we will be leaving 
Keene NH at 10:30am. Please get there early. We will be going regardless of 
weather, some come prepared. 

See you all Saturday 

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Date: 29 Jul 96 18:10:16 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Layshafts

Ron Simons writes re failures of ser 2a layshafts.
 Any engine larger than the 2 1/4 petrol is going to place additional strain on
the gearbox, even the 77 hp petrol can wreck gearboxes. That said however I am
aware of plenty of power conversions that work succesfully, however greta care
has to be taken with the welly ( english expression, short for wellington boot,
i.e the right foot use ) If the engine has power use it in the higher gears and
stresses are reduced.
 There are  several versions of the layshaft, one has a circlip groove to locate
the second gear and the later one has a shoulder,  the grooved type were prone
to fatigue failure in this region, hence the mod to shoulder. the area is
however still highly stressed.
 Where does your " reputable gearbox reconditioner " get his parts ? There are a
lot of imitation parts on the market which are inferior to the original
equipment ( before I start a war there are some parts available which are equal
to or better ) particularly in the area of material quality, I refer
specifically to gearbox shafts, gears, half shafts, track rod ends etc.
  In the UK several years ago a prominent aftermarket Land Rover ex miltary
vehicle modifier who was and is prominent in off road racing used to break a
layshaft an event with a V8 fitted till one day his mechanic discovered an
unbreakable one ( one which lasted several races ) unfortunately these were
three times the price of the usual ones. What a surprise the unbreakable ones
were made by Rover ( standard part ) !! and the cheap ones came from India.
 There are a number of " gearbox reconditioners in the UK  whose reconditioning
means that they had a look at it and it was ok, they operate on a replace the
minimum number of parts possible ( maximise profits )

Regards   Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.

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Date: 29 Jul 96 18:10:14 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Identity crisis

Mathew write re confusion ser 2 or 3.
 The LR is like a Meccano kit ( for US read Erecto ) parts can be interchanged
very easily, it was fashionable in the seventies to fir the later model parts to
the earlier model to make them look newer, this was particularly true of the ex
military vehicle s which could at that time have a new registration and fool the
ignorant into thinking it was a current vehicle.
 rthe ser 2 dor hinges were and are poor sdesign, the brass ball wears and the
door flops around. The ser 3 type which are directly interchangeable with the
ser 2 are much better at locating the door and thus eliminating doors that
forever need slamming or keep falling off the latch etc.
 The plastic grill also fits easily tio the late 2a with wing mounted lights, or
conversion panel;s were available, or indeed the whole wing could be replaced .
 Some ser 3 parts were fitted to 1970 models to finish off the production runs,
ie gearboxes, rear axles on the 109 etc but not in 1968.

 regards  Bill Leacock   limey in exile ( but not next week cos I'm going back
on vacation (( spares buyiong !!))  for a week )

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 22:08:26 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Off-road

All, 

Those planning on coming off-roading in NH this Saturday, we will be leaving 
Keene NH at 10:30am. Please get there early. We will be going regardless of 
weather, some come prepared. 

See you all Saturday 

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:06:46 -0400
Subject: Re: What is a Land Rover?

SjakR is stirring things up:

> I hereby state my protest to referring to a Land Rover as a "truck" by 
>some of you lads in the US. In my modest opinion, a Land Rover was, is and 
>in eternity will be - a Vehicle.

In our family anything with four wheels used for personal transportation is a
"vehicle". My wife works on trucks, and frequently drives one. To avoid
confusion, and avoid having to remember what she is driving, she started
saying "vehicle".  I work on both cars and trucks, so to avoid confusion I
also use "vehicle". A friend at work used to protest the term "vehicle"
saying that aircraft, boats, railcars and spacecraft were also vehicles, and
thus the term was imprecise when used to denote cars and trucks. But I think
that is nit-picking.

One more thought: does anyone in Britain call a Land Rover a "lorry"?

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:21:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

Ian contributes with:

>Who cares, so long as it's made of _Aluminium_ and is painted the right 
>_colours_

What if it is made of aluminum instead of aluminium. Or does it have to be
Birmabright?
And what are the "right colors"?

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:44:15 -0400
Subject: RE: Spare parts to carry

A couple of minor things I would add:
Several sizes of hose clamps.  Great for holding that bailing wire in place.
 I've also used it, an empty can and duct tape to "patch" a large radiator
hose leak.
Chewing gum:  I've heard that pinhole leaks in the gas tank can be patched
with gum. (not to mention that "wintery fresh breath")
Ground pepper:  great for seasoning as well as pinhole leaks in the
radiator..
Coke in cans:  works great to loosen rusted bolts, and the can can be reused
as described above...
Empty  1 gallon + container and a clean wash cloth;  alot of help when you're
having to get water from the stream to fill your empty radiator (all we had
were empty beer cans).  Use the cloth to filter some of the "grit" out...
 Wash cloth is also really helpful when you need to clean the "goop" off of a
section to see what you're working on.  Also heard it's possible to fill the
container with gas and turn into a "gravity fed" fuel reserve when you're
fuel pump dies (I wouldn't try it though)
Vise grips:  can be used as a clamp for holding broken parts together...
Zip ties:  can be used in-leau of missing bolts.  I used it once when the
bolt popped off the carberator linkage and I didn't have a spare...  Can also
hold wires out of the way.

Chris "stop eating my parts" Fisher
'73 LR Series III hybrid

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:53:39 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: rear light wells

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu> wrote:
>Allan Smith mentioned a part # for a sealing gasket for a D90 rear light 
>well.  He also mentioned that he's got a mud shield built in to his D90's 
>body.  Any ideas what that part number might be? I never saw that on a 
>U.S D90 and I'd rather install LR material than my own homegrown.

The light cluster that you have on the US spec D90 is different from the ROW 
spec that I have, but it is in the same position as my indicator light and 
without some sort of shield it must be getting plastered. The bracket that it 
screws onto comes down from the underneath of the wheel arch, just forward of 
(and above) the lights. The bottom edge of the bracket has two holes with nut 
spires for attaching the shield. It does work, as I have never had a problem on 
the side that had the shield factory fitted.
The part is listed as #MTC7861 (older) or BTR1790 (newer).If you want, I could 
fax you a copy of the appropriate page of the parts manual.

Cheers
Allan

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:08:11 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Murray's magic bolts

On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:

 Murray's lightweight transformed from a truck to a passenger car with the 
>	change of 4 bolts.

I have 4 crates of parts crossing the Atlantic, most of which are for converting 
my pickup to a passenger car. I think I would have preferred the 4 bolt 
approach. Guess I should have asked here first.
Allan
>	change of 4 bolts.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:59:10 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: 101" FC Parts

At  1:07 PM 7/29/96 -0400, GNBull3@aol.com wrote:

>I just joined the LRO mailing list and I was wondering if
> anybody knows where I can get reasonably priced 101 parts?
;Does anybody have parts that they are interested in selling?
>If so, drop me a line.
;
>George Bull
;
M&M Land Rover Services (01745 550237) Specializes in 101 parts.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:29:11 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Wanted Series I air filter, pre-'54

I'm looking for an early series I air filter,  This one has a tube input on
the side that looks the same as the tube output going to the carb.  Anyone
have one for sale???

I know where thewre is a bunch in a building in Spokane but the owner is
not on the mail list and I don't have a phone number :*(

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: Apology
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:30:08 -0400

To list readers:

My humble apologies for posting dealer D90 listings the other day. In my =
excitement (which historically has been  my problem) I wanted to let =
people who are having trouble locating suitable vehicles know as soon as =
possible. We get on average 5 - 10 calls daily (mostly out-of-state) of =
people looking for D90s and I can't help them.

But I concede that blatant advertising is against the concept of this =
list and I will try to restrain myself in the future. Again, I sincerely =
apologize.

However, I have received numerous private postings from LROs asking me =
to continue posting news of new product and updates.

I will continue to do this as information is released unless the =
postings assume a negative tone to desist in this practice.

The BSROA is ready to begin work on a Club web page. LRMW does have one  =
at www.FMWEST.COM - although specific vehicle info. is sparse at this =
point. I will probably do one for specific dealer vehicles in the future =
and this will eliminate any conflicts of interest with the original =
intent of the LRO digest.

The Pink Panther (just arrived ex-Dunsfold Museum) will eventually be on =
semi-permanent display at Land Rover Metro West starting this fall. All =
LROs and enthusiasts are cordially welcome to stop by and say hello and =
see it if and when in the Boston area.

Nuff said! Sorry for the BW.

cheers
Jim

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 NAS D110 (457/500)
`95 NAS D90 #1958
`96 DISCO SE7(M)
SAS PINK PANTHER 10FG56

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:56:25 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Rover Parts

Russ,

I'd hoped to see you at Paradise Lost.  Sorry you didn't make it.  We had a
wonderful time.  I'll be writing up a story soon.

Cheers, 

Granville

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:54:42 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 101" FC Parts

> GNBULL3@aol.com
          ^^^
Does this  '  seem incongruous with

> 101" FC
  ^^^^^^^
this ' ?

How did you get the 101 into the US?  Where are you located?

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:54:31 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: you've been unsubscribed from the lro lists

> Prehaps it is time again for a BRIEF discussion of what constitutes
> "commercial content" and whether the policy is "zero tolerence" .

Well said, and I would only add (clarify?) that in my opinion anything from 
a vendor or dealer should be 1 or 2 lines saying "we do/sell/have on 
special this; e-mail or see web page for more info."

For example, one might post a message saying:

>> we just got a great deal on left-handed starter handles, only $9.95 -- 
>> e-mail taylor@newbie.com or see <http://www.taylor.com/>.

or

>> Orkin now offers ant-removal services for Defender owners!  Introductory 
>> price, $49.95!  e-mail nomoreants@orkin.com for more info.

The only time I could see going over that would be a new business that 
might have to take up 3 or 4 lines to describe everything they do or sell.

Other than that, the best advertising is a (short!) .sig at the bottom of 
lots of helpful, general messages.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Beverley Museum of Army Transport
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 9:08:06 BST

(sorry for the delay...)

Tracing British MoD Vehicles
----------------------------
To do this, you need to contact the Vehicle Research Department at the 
Museum of Army Transport in Beverley.
They're very helpful, and for GBP 12.50 will send you a copy of what
information they can find. Ideally, you should send them the military 
registration and chassis number. I had both, and was sent a copy of the
vehicle record copy detailing regiments and battalions...
If it isn't British Army (eg. RAF as I suspected mine might have been - it
turns out its only the hardtop that might be RAF), then they'll pass the
address of the relevant RAF contact to you (I'm guessing its at the 
RAF Museum in Hendon). If they can't find any information, they'll return
your cheque.

The address and telephone number (an International extension will be required,
for you people in the States - the UK International Code is 44)

Vehicle Research Dept,
Museum of Army Transport,
Fieldgate,
Beverley,
East Riding of Yorkshire
HU17 0NG
Tel. 01482 860445

This was posted to UK-LRO a few months ago. Might be worth adding to an FAQ?

Speaking of FAQs: Lloyd: I haven't actually been to this Museum, even though
its only a few miles from where I bought my "truck". The only other Museums
I know of are the ones listed/featured in LROi and LRW. The Imperial
War Museum at Duxford (Cambridgeshire) has a military vehicle day
(in August I think).

Richard

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:30:23 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: What is a Land Rover?

>One more thought: does anyone in Britain call a Land Rover a "lorry"?
>David Cockey
>Rochester, Michigan

Well,Adny Woodward does,but I suspect his is a van.......:-)

Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:35:12 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

>And what are the "right colors"?

If we're going to be parochial,Bronze Green.The working Land Rover colour.
But allowed,just:
Marine Blue
Light Grey
Dark Grey
Sand
Light Green
..And a judicious use of Limestone.The *old* Limestone,of course.

Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:02:50 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel-trouble / truck--stop!

  Since we
>        need some LR content here, Canadian National bought a bunch
>        of IIA 109 pick-ups.  What made them unique is that while they
>        looked normal, all the body panels were steel, not aluminium.

LR content? *Surely* you havent forgotten the Rail Rover? Tried out
on shunting(oh,all right switching if you must) duties.With flanged
wheels? Tch,tch,tch.Pulling some four wheeled "trucks",but presumably
totally unable to stop them,since they had manual brakes only.
Brings a whole new meaning to the term "off road",and just *may* have
Lanny scouring the Canadian National yards at the dead of night for
Rail Rover conversion kits.Phone him now.They may yet be on special
offer!And ideal for use on disused American branch lines.
cheers
Mike Rooth.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:22:53 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Military LR

Hi,
I'm already a few days back from Billing but a previous message was returned 
to me by the server (some problems). 
You can't imagine the amount of (series) rovers. All over the place they 
were driving and standing. Even lightweights (about 100 I guess).
I've met some people from the list and I was wondering how Teri Ann would 
return to the States: she bought almost a complete rover of spare parts. But 
I've read on the digest she's back: congratulations!
I'll go back next year but with my lightweight because I'm starting to hate 
public transport: 12 hours travel with bus, boat, bus, underground, train 
and taxi from Ghent (Belgium) to Billing (about 300 km)!   

BTW: the series cars were not waving or flashing lights to each other at 
Billing...

Philippe Carchon 
Ghent, Belgium
'81 Lightweight (FFR)

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