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1 Solihull@aol.com 15Re: Zenith Carb Woes
2 Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3.26RE: Disco rubber gaskets
3 slade@sisna.com 12test please ignore
4 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em23Re: S2A - Exhaust manifold bolts
5 slade@sisna.com 50squirrely steering
6 BRADLEY*****************27RE: Disco rubber gaskets/sand driving
7 jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.c33ROAV sun visors
8 Michael Carradine [cs@cr29RE: Disco rubber gaskets/sand driving
9 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove26Off road in NH Aug 3rd
10 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi32Re: roof wanted
11 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi28Re: Importing Defender 90
12 slade@sisna.com 28Re: ROAV sun visors
13 Allan Smith [smitha@cand14Re: not-so-free diesel either
14 Lztango@aol.com 10Re: RE hackers on the major
15 ASFCO@aol.com 11Re: For Sale
16 ASFCO@aol.com 34Waving
17 d.nalder@ccmail.dtt.co.n26110 V8 on Av-gas!
18 John Karlsson [karlsson@19Re: squirrely steering
19 gpool@pacific.net (Granv18Goin' campin'
20 "David Dodell" [discover21New Mailing List for Arizona Land-Rover Owners
21 Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.5[not specified]
22 Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.43[not specified]
23 philippe.carchon@rug.ac.20engine+canvas


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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:05:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb Woes

Hang in there, Eric! They say, third time's the charm! But seriously, You
probably didn't get it all, last time. (The propensity to warp, not the
warping, itself) Please keep us posted.
John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 
73 s3 SWB
72 s3 SWB rusted parts truck, mostly picked over
66 s2a SWB soft top "Red Rover" being minded for friend/customer 
Vintage Rover Service
"Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!"

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Disco rubber gaskets
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:17:22 -0400
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I have been asked by a club member to query others on the list if they =
have experienced any cracked external window seals on rear quarter =
lights and back door glass?? This is on a 1994 Discovery...

Please feel free to respond to the list if you have...

I would take this opportunity to caution against the use of Armor-All or =
any similar, silicone-based preservative on any vinyl or rubber parts on =
any Land Rover. Silicone WILL clog the pores of such materials and =
ultimately can accelerate the deterioration of same over not using =
anything at all!

Much preferred is oil-based lubricant such as WD-40 or CRC 5-56. Lightly =
soak a clean terry cloth, wipe on, wipe excess off after about a minute. =
You'll be very pleased.

Jim
------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7165.113F0940

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From: slade@sisna.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 08:26:02 -0700
Subject: test please ignore

please ignore

Michael Slade
'70 109 Station Wagon
Portland, OR
slade@sisna.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 12:16:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: S2A - Exhaust manifold bolts

On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, Olafur Agust wrote:

> This maybe a silly question!! - The story is: When i was taking the starter
> away i had to loosen the exhaust pipe from the exhaust manifold - only to
> see that all but one bolt was corroded (nearly) trough - that made
> impossible to but the exhaust pipe back on - my qestion to you guys is: Is
> it difficult to change those bolts - and how?? 

	Well, it is possible to pull the starter from a II/IIA/III
	without undoing the exhaust, but it isn't necessarily an easy
	task.  It might go in a minute or so, it might take hours.  When
	you do get it in or out, you probably won't know how yyou did 
	it either.  (Start by turning the wheels hard to the right
	so the steering arm is all the way forward)

	Change the bolt?  Hmmm, heat and vice grips to get the old one out,
	if you are luck in situ, otherwise, the same process with the 
	manifold off...

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From: slade@sisna.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:12:01 -0700
Subject: squirrely steering

Ok,

I've replaced the springs, filled the steering box and relay box, the box
support unit is bolted fast, and I even went and had it aligned.

I know that a 109 doesn't have the highway performance of an M3, but why do
I always feel that I'm using more of the road than I should be?

On the freeway it seems I swerve alot and am using the whole lane and quite
frankly it makes me a tad bit nervous.

Any help?

Here are the numbers the alignment shop gave me about the front and rear end:

                Left Front Readings                     Right Front Readings
                Initial     Final                       Initial     Final

Caster          +5.44       +5.44                       +5.12       +5.12
Camber          +1.20       +1.28                       +0.84       +0.92
Toe             +1/8        0                           +15/32      0
SAI                     n/m                                      n/m
Inc. Angle              n/m                                      n/m

                Left Rear Readings                      Right Rear Readings

Camber          +0.04        +0.04                      +0.28        +0.28
Toe             +3/16        +3/16                      -3/16        -7/32

                Front Readings                          Rear Readings

Total Toe       +19/32          0                       0             -1/32
Setback                 n/m                                      n/m
Thrust Angle    ----           ----                     +0.40         +0.40

For what that's worth, that's what they gave me.  I've only got the Haynes
manual that doesn't tell me much.  Are these within spec?

Thanks for bearing with me.

Michael Slade
'70 109 Station Wagon
Portland, OR
slade@sisna.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:28:12 -0400
From: BRADLEY***************** <jethro@li.net>
Subject: RE: Disco rubber gaskets/sand driving

One thing that I have noticed is when using Windex or other cleaners on the
rear glass gaskets there is a tremendous amount of black residue left on the
towels.  I also get a brownish residue on the inside of the Disco
seals.(before wiping down)  What is the general consensus on WD-40 for these
seals?  I haven't gotten any leaks (YET) but I was concerned with the amount
of residue that was coming off.

Brad
'95 Disco

PS...Thanks to the list members with advice on sand driving.  We went out
last week on aired down stock tires and had a rip of a good time.  We also
found some nice mud holes.  Some of my friends asked how I could spend
almost $40 grand on a LR and take it offroad.  I took two of them out
(Toyota 4Runner owners)....... they don't ask why anymore.;^)
####################################################
Want a few nice surprises ???
Come visit my WEBSITE
http://www.li.net/~jethro/jethro.htm
You will need Netscape V2
----Se ya there,   Jethro
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:06:34 -0700
From: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (john hess)
Subject: ROAV sun visors

Hello everyone,

I have now finished the installation of my ROAV exterior sun visor and
would like to announce that it is wonderful.  The pieces are perfect.  The
outdside mounting brackets are bent to fit the wind screen frame and all
the mounting holes are slots.  Everything fits well and went together
great.

Cheers to Sandy Grice and ROAV.

BTW, Sandy told me to use rivnuts to install the mounting brackets and I
was able to find Stanley Nut inserts at Orchard supply hardware.  Drill
9/32" hole, insert nutsert, tighten with provided tool.  The nut is now
installed and ready for use. I used all stainless hardware, including lock
washers.  I also bought some very good, black silicon sealant from a local
hardware store.  It is advertised as 50 year sealant and in my mind is just
about perfect.  It DOESN'T have the strong acetic acid smell.  It isn't as
sticky to everything like other sealants and when cured, it is very, very
easily removed.  I used a good sized blob of silicon on top of the nutsert
and around the nutsert, the put on the mounting bracket and screwed in the
screw.

PS.  I like the shine and may not paint it.

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner!

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:10:53 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: RE: Disco rubber gaskets/sand driving

At 03:28 PM 7/14/96 -0400, BRADLEY***************** <jethro@li.net> wrote:
>One thing that I have noticed is when using Windex or other cleaners on the
>rear glass gaskets there is a tremendous amount of black residue left on the
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>seals?  I haven't gotten any leaks (YET) but I was concerned with the amount
>of residue that was coming off.

 Dear Mr *****************,

 Try using silicone on your rubber pieces instead of WD-40.  WD-40 is
 petroleum based and will break down the rubber.  You can get silicone
 in a spray can with a little tube to focus the spray, or in a bottle
 as used for silicone brake fluid.  It keeps the rubber clean, pliant,
 virile and shiny.

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

 

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 96 21:06:45 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Off road in NH Aug 3rd

All, 

We are going off-roading in South West NH Saturday Aug 3rd. This will be a 
"pre-scout" for an event in later August.  ALL LAND ROVERS WELCOME.

Info: 

Meet at Dunkin Donuts car park off Route 101 and 10 in Keene, NH (if you need 
directions - Email me) 

Leaving at 10:00am .............. SHARP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring a lunch.

Should be out until 5-6pm. 

Bring recovery equipment, axes, shovels, chain saws etc. Some of the routes we 
will be scouting may have downed tress or washed out bridges, so we may need 
some help.     

Mark

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:43:49 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: roof wanted

>>Dear all,
>>        A friend of mine not on the net need a pick up roof for his 109.
>Too bad he's so far away.  I have a 109 safari top with oval windows,
>second skin & roof vents to get rid of.

        Unfortunately that is what they have, they want a Pick Up roof, and
will trdae the 109 tropical and 3 door roof sides for it.
>Any progress on the Dormobile roof vent lids??????  My roof is presently
>getting a new gel coat & would look a lot nicer with a lid on the roof
>vent.
>second skin & roof vents to get rid of.

        Plastics company still messing about. Haven't had time until
rcently with the Rally and all. I'll work on it.

>TeriAnn
>twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS
>Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet
>second skin & roof vents to get rid of.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:49:42 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: Importing Defender 90

Dear All,
        I remember a few posts about this guy a few weeks ago, some really
singing his praises and some bad. Just thought you might want to see what
the guys in GA consider legal. If any of you have advice for the gentleman
who sent this too me, I'll be glad to pass it along. Or better yet if you
had actually had dealings with this company, I'll send that along as well.
        Thanks.

>East Coast Rover Co.,
>                   I am looking to import a Land Rover Defender 90. I've
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>                                                       Name withheld
>        Telephone#--**********

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: slade@sisna.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 16:48:19 -0700
Subject: Re: ROAV sun visors

John announces...

>I have now finished the installation of my ROAV exterior sun visor and
>would like to announce that it is wonderful.

Here here!  (that's what I thought about mine too).

>PS.  I like the shine and may not paint it.
>would like to announce that it is wonderful.

I liked the shine too, but painted the underside of it flat black.  I left
the rest unpainted.

>jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
>from home via modem
>Land-
>  -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner!

Michael Slade
'70 109 Station Wagon
Portland, OR
slade@sisna.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:19:29 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: not-so-free diesel either

On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) wrote:

>Zowee.  US$11 would get me about 7 gallons of petrol on the Monterey bay.
>It takes US$18 to fill a front petrol tank here with regular.

It all sounds reasonable to us down here - small change out of US$30 for a 
Defender-full of petrol or diesel. Just as well a cross-country outing seldom 
racks up more than 50 or 60 miles.
Allan

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From: Lztango@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:31:09 -0400
Subject: Re: RE hackers on the major

how do I get my name off this list???  I have tried to follow the directions
of the server's message but it does not understand the commands.  what do I
have to do?  how did you email that guy and get a response.  I tried to email
him and I got that lousy automatic server.  thank you

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:10:08 -0400
Subject: Re: For Sale

Just got in from extended vacation and saw your message what parts are left??
interested in rear door and 16" wheels/tires possibly in canvass also..Please
let me know
Rgds
Steve    ASFCO@aol.com

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:02:13 -0400
Subject: Waving

Having just returned from the Downeast Rally in Maine and a week on the east
end of Long Island and reading all the threads on sightings and waving I
thought I would add some more on the subject ...
Yesterday....Saturday after the rain stopped we took a ride in my Series lll
in and around the village of East Hampton/South Hampton... the kids kept a
tally of all LR's we saw and the response to our waves..the following
vehicles were observed within less than 2 hours within about a 10 mile radius
Thought you'd be interested in the results
RR  48     1 wave initiated by a female
Discovery 33  no waves (not surprising as my own  wife has passed me here at
home                                    and not waved either)
D-90    6       2 waves
D-110    2     no waves
S lla   4        4 waves

Clearly RR /Discovery, etc... on Long Island at least are nothing more than a
status symbol..the owners have no clue as to their heritage and as been
suggested here before would rather not be associated with the series vehicles
as evidenced by some of the looks we received 
oh well...to each his own...  nuff said 

BTW..... Hummer 3      3 waves

Rgds to all....

Steve Bradke   96 Disco
                      72 Slll (For Sale)
                      68 S lla 88

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From: d.nalder@ccmail.dtt.co.nz
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:57:59 NZT
Subject: 110 V8 on Av-gas!

     
     A friend of mine with a '89 110 county s/w has just tuned it to run on 
     100 octane aviation gas!!  Apparently it goes real good - although I 
     have not yet had a chance to drive it.  At NZ$1.19 per litre (around 
     US$0.66) this may not be the most economical vehicle on (or off) the 
     road.  In NZ we have recently phased out leaded petrol, which has also 
     brought the effective octane rating of petrol down.  Now our only 
     options are regular (91 octane) or premium (96 octane) which costs 
     around NZ$75 per tank! (US$42).
     His engine is an otherwise stock 3.5 V8 with high-flow headers and a 
     custom exhaust.
     
     ...I'm itching to get behind the wheel....
     
     -------------------------
     David Nalder
     Wellington, New Zealand
     email: d.nalder@dtt.co.nz
     1985 110 V8
     

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:56:38 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: squirrely steering

slade@sisna.com wrote:
> Ok,
> I've replaced the springs, filled the steering box and relay box, the box
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> Portland, OR
> slade@sisna.com

I had a '65 109 back in the early '70s, and while it was no sports car, 
the handling was good enough that I could have some fun with it.  I had 
an '88 at the same time (same one that is sitting in the barn awaiting 
the recon engine that is presently on a ship out in the Atlantic), and 
the 109 handled a lot better.

John

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:21:22 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Goin' campin'

Hi, all,

Wanted to let everyone know that I'll be off-line for about a week.  Going
camping at the family ranch in Humboldt County, on the Mattole River.
Melanie and I do this every year, at least once.  Very relaxing.  We go up
river, away from everything, fording the river three times to get there.
Mmmmm....

See you all next week!  And at Paradise, of course!

Cheers,

Granny

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From: "David Dodell" <discovery@stat.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 96 22:45:31 -0700
Subject: New Mailing List for Arizona Land-Rover Owners

We have started a new sub list for Arizona USA land-rover owners; to
subscribe send email to:

listserv@stat.com

First line of text:

subscribe azlro

David Dodell
96 Discovery
---
Internet: david@stat.com
Web      : http://www.stat.com
Fax        : +1 602 614 1129

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 06:11:24 -0700
Subject: .
From: Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de (Oliver Gottlob)

help

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 06:13:54 -0700
Subject: lormail
From: Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de (Oliver Gottlob)

Hello all there !

I´am Oliver (Oli) Gottlob from Germany (middel west) an I drive a 1976
Landrover 109 Diesel Series III. I use Soft and Hardtop (summer & winter)

Here in my local aerea are abt 5 People driving 88´s and 109´s.

One of this friends has a little Problem with his injector Pump (2,25 l
3 bearing diesel engine). The engine-stop pulley at the pump is broken
and diesel is leaking out the pully seal. one of the engine-stop parts
in the pump is broken and need replace. (the engine is still running, the
only problem is to stop :) ) (He also wants to sell his 88 in 1966 petrol
an will buy a 101 monster)

So we need a drawing from the injector Pump (CAV) and the parts inside.

The second problem are the Brakes at my vehicle. It is one of this high
modern splittet Brakesystem with failure switch.

After my car rebuild (of the chassis) an a little bit adujusting, i have
now the Problem (after a few weeks) that I had to push the brake-pedal 2
to 3 time to get good deceleration. There is no air in the system and i
had replaced many parts including brake liners.

I think that die brake drumms are to wide and i had to move the liners in
the first push to the drumm and then the second push will brake.
But I adjusted the brakes very hard.

Do you have any idears ?

bye
Oli

P.s.: Will be in Billings this year hope to meet you

>>>>  Landrover 109 DIESEL Series III <<<email:   Oliver_Gottlob@T-Online.de
AMPRBBS: DG5DBV@DB0BQ.#NRW.DEU.EU
amprnos: DG5DBV@DB0NOS.ampr.org
FAX:     (+) 49 2923 7276

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:32:34 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: engine+canvas

Hi Kim,
I'm also driving a lightweight and I had about the same problem you wrote 
about: I can't imagine you didn't check but my engine seems to hold back 
(and die when stopping for red traffic light) because of dirty fuel lines 
and fuel filter. I cleaned them and everything was ok.
About the canvas: I think this is normal, I'm not sure because my own 
lightweight is a little bit modified: made a pick-up of it and then a 
(modified) soft-top on the body. But I've seen some lightweights at a dealer 
of military trucks (I've never seen a lightweight on the road here in 
Belgium,except mine) and there was also a gap between the back of the door 
and the canvas. So: or it's normal or they were all missing your missing part.
BTW: you have a hard top on your lightweight: never seen that ! 

Philippe Carchon, Ghent Belgium
'81 Lightweight SALLBBAH2AA132345(chassis nr)

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