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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 05:21:01 -0800 (PST)
From: HAPPY <XYSHIH@ccvax.fullerton.edu>
Subject: Squeaky brakes on 95 4.0

I was just curious if it's normal to hear the brakes squeak when depressed
slowly?  I brought it in to the Bauer dealership and the service manager
told me it's normal. He also mentioned that I should step on the brake 
harder which does eliminate the sound.  But everytime I back out of my 
driveway, the sound really gets to me.  Just wanted a second opinion 
before I bring it back to the dealer.  Apparently my appointment is two
weeks from now.  
I hear alot about bad dealers and Bauer near Disneyland is also included
in that category.  Many times after I get my RR back, soon after there
are problems.  The only reason I go there is because it's 10 min. away.
But I am seriously thinking of traveling the hour commute to get to the 
Mission Viejo LR Centre to try my luck.
If anyone out there in Southern California can help me out, I would really
appreciate your comments on the dealer.  Thanks.

---Yung  

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 08:20:24 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Land Rover diesel education desired

>>> The starter motor is awesome in 
its ability to crank the engine for what seems an eternity. 

Really made apparent when one leaves the engine stop knob pulled out. 
Fortunately the eternity it takes to figure this out is not as long as the 
eternity it takes to run the battery down...

>>>Power curve is different from a gas engine. If you don't mind going slow....

Just figure in an extra day or two to get to the grocery store. Unless it's 
downhill, then just figure an extra day to get back...
 
>>>Unsurpassed off road. 

Just ask anybody who saw me at the Downeast...:-)

Dave "What tow strap?" B.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:34:57 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Rolling coilers with power steering

I'm a bit confused by the comments about it being easier to roll with
coils & power steering.

Coil sprung LRs are several inches wider than leaf sprung ones, this can
only help avoid a roll. I cannot see what effect power steering will
have. There is not much feel from the standard steering (design feature
to avoid your hands being ripped off), so where's the harm in it?

Can somone point out the error in my thinking?

Cheers, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:00:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

>From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
>Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:21:56 -0600
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>pump I mentioned some time back) (and then it still is
>annoying). That's why the diesel LR's have low fuel warning
>lamps.

It's really not that big a deal - a couple of minutes pumppig with 
the lever conveniently provided on the fuel pump.......And slackening 
a couple of bolts.

What IS a problem is that if your tannk is full of accumulated water, 
distributor pumps are buggered by water pretty quickly and are 
expensice to replace (or negligibly cheap if you are acclimatised to motorbike 
spares prices >:-[     )

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:00:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

>Soooo What are the advantages of Diesel?... other than the smell
>keeping tailgaters away.
>fuel milage? how much?

Twice as much as the petrol, give r take a couple of mpg. My 90 2.5na 
does 29-33mpg depending on what I'm doing with it.  This is a BIG 
saving for Europeans, but with petrol in the US being free, there's 
probably no point in putting up with the lower power unless you do a 
lot of wading (no electrics........)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:18:27 -0500
From: doncastr@ns.acadiacom.net (Peter C. Doncaster)
Subject: Serial Numbers Ledger

Who is it that is compiling the listing of serial numbers??  (Is it
Dixon??)  I just unearthed the copy of the xerox that LR sent me. It starts
with #24407747 begun on the 8th of March 1963, and goes to #24407769 begun
on 11 March 1963. It is on my desk, ready to send, but I need to know where
to send it.

Peter Doncaster
'64 IIA 88 SW
New Orleans, USA
doncastr@acadiacom.net

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:34:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers Ledger

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Peter C. Doncaster wrote:

> Who is it that is compiling the listing of serial numbers??  (Is it
> Dixon??)  I just unearthed the copy of the xerox that LR sent me. It starts
> with #24407747 begun on the 8th of March 1963, and goes to #24407769 begun
> on 11 March 1963. It is on my desk, ready to send, but I need to know where
> to send it.

	'tis me.  Have three of them up on the FAQ for viewing, another three
	sitting in the wings to typing.  It can be faxed to (613) 947-7396
	or mailed to me at 2-103 Irving Ave., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y-1Z3
	Either method works for me, or if you are real keen, send by e-mail
	:-)  I know that we will never have a complete listing (remotely
	possible for LHD stuff), and if we did, that is about a 500,000
	line listing just to get into the 1970's.  The Serial number 
	pages in sequential order (they are orders in other ways on seperate
	pages in the FAQ) can be found at:

	http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.4.Chassis_Numbers.alpha.html

	Oh the other hand for modern vehicles, Ben Smith has the same type
	of affair running for the Defender 90's.  Ben is collecting the
	sequential tag number on the back of the vehicle, the colour, and
	the VIN number.  Any factory options would be interesting as would
	the dealership purchased.  Who owns the vehicle is inmaterial (D90
	or Series) as this changes and many would rather not be linked to 
	a vehicle for whatever reason.  The D90 page can be found at:
	
	http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.4.NAS_Defender_VINs.html

	Thx,

	Dixon

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:45:23 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

At  2:00 PM 7/12/96 +0000, Andy Woodward wrote:
;
>  This is a BIG
>saving for Europeans, but with petrol in the US being free, there's
>probably no point in putting up with the lower power unless you do a
>lot of wading (no electrics........)

free petrol????

The gas station near my home has regular petrol at US$1.60/gallon.  This
means it costs me $64 to fill my tanks from empty.  This means $12.80 each
day I drive to and from work.  This means over $280/month to drive my Land
Rover to and from work at todays local (near my house) petrol prices.
Thankfully I van pool.

Not quite free

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:57:00 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: Rolling coilers with power steering

you wrote:
>I'm a bit confused by the comments about it being easier to roll with
>coils & power steering.

        I didn't see the original post on this, but the Defenders and coil
Rovers are much Harder to roll over than other Rovers, especially the
factory units with sway bars added, etc. The power steering system is not a
factor, unless you are saying that with more power to the steering box you
could turn it faster to cause a roll over.
        Where this came from I don't know, but from real time experience,
not a guess, the coil Rovers handle much better, and could withstand more
lateral g's than the leaf. Check the skidpad figures for both, and you'll
see the answers.
>, so where's the harm in it?
>coils & power steering.

        There isn't any.
>Can somone point out the error in my thinking?
>coils & power steering.

        No error in your thinking.
>Cheers, Steve
>coils & power steering.

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:54:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers Ledger

dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca,Internet writes:
	Oh the other hand for modern vehicles, Ben Smith has the same type
> 	of affair running for the Defender 90's.  Ben is collecting the
> 	sequential tag number on the back of the vehicle, the colour, and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> 	or Series) as this changes and many would rather not be linked to 
> 	a vehicle for whatever reason.  The D90 page can be found at:

There is also the Defender 90 Registry located at
http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros

This page contains equipment, dealership info, plaque number, owner
info, mail addresses and web links for any NAS Defenders.  It also
provide a place for users to add vehicles from the Web.  We welcome any
listings, whether or not they are complete.

Jules@learnlink.emory.edu for requests or more information or to submit
entries via mail.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:36:59 -0400
From: Arthur Patsouris <atha@mindport.com>
Subject: For Sale

Hi folks,

Due to the impending purchase of a 109 Pick-up I am forced to put my 
beloved 88 up for sale.  The truck has been my daily driver for the last 
seven years and during this period my "rolling restoration" has included 
the rebuilding of most of the mechanicals.  The frame is in the usual 
state as most 25 year old vehicles, but it is not quite ready to give up 
it ghost.  Along with the vehicle I will be selling some spares that I 
have colected over the years.

1969 LR SIIA 88 Bugeye
-Three door hardtop
-90,000 miles
-Rebuilt cylinder head 12/94 set up for unleaded gas
-100 amp. Delco alternator conversion\
-Front axle rebvuilt w/ new swivels 3/95
-Asking $2800.00

Parts for sale:

-Soft top; used two seasons very good condition   $200.00
-Tropical Roof Panel				  $350.00
-Upper Tail Gate w/ hardware			  $150.00
-Lower Tailgate					  $275.00
-5 16" Wheels with Michelin M&S Tires		  $300.00
-2.25L Petrol Engine complete			  $500.00
-Rebuilt 2.25 cylinder head			  $400.00
-Early series IIA radiator panel w/grill	  $120.00
-Rear safari door with tire carrier		  $ 75.00

If anyone is interested contact me @

atha@mindport.com
or
(860)887-3480
(860)859-1897

Truck and all parts are on Southeastern Connecticut

Thanks

Art Patsouris

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:49:47 -0700
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Vernon UK Car club meet

Is anyone going to the Okanagan British car club meet at 
Silverstar Mountain near vernon (B.C. Canada)?  It is
being held July 26,27,28.  

How often do you pack your hubs, bi yearly, yearly, decadely,
when the wheels wobble off, never?

Cheers,

CDC

PS Good luck all living on the south eastern seabord

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: 12 Jul 1996 08:43:56 -0700
From: "Bob Frey" <frey@smtp.pvr.com>
Subject: Re: Squeaky brakes on 95 4.0

My experience with the LR dealers in the San Francisco area has been =
excellent. I purchased my D90 from Cole European in Walnut Creek. I've =
had quite a bit of warranty work performed. All of the work was performed =
to my specification and without any flak whatsoever. I do all my own =
maintenance and that has never been an issue towards honoring the =
warranty. They even provide a free loaner car and wash and vacuum the =
vehicle before pick-up. (I spent a week tooling around in a Lexus 400 =
while they replaced the pressure plate).  They also organize several =
off-road weekends per year for their customers for which they pick up =
part of the tab for meals and lodging. I've also had good service from =
RAB Motors in San Rafael. They trucked my Defender from a rather remote =
location and replaced the radiator under warranty when it developed a =
strange rock sized leak....no "defect vs. damaged" discussion, no =
shouting...fixed in 24 hours!

Bob Frey
D90 "Red"

 ------ From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net, Fri, Jul 12, 1996 =
------ 

I hear alot about bad dealers and Bauer near Disneyland is also included
in that category.  Many times after I get my RR back, soon after there
are problems.  The only reason I go there is because it's 10 min. away.
But I am seriously thinking of traveling the hour commute to get to the 
Mission Viejo LR Centre to try my luck.

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: '94's with '95 tops...
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:55:00 CDT

Soon there will be new soft tops ('97 I think), so you'll have to go through 
the '94s and the '95s to get the new one. :>

(I've heard that the new top closes off most, if not all, of the gaps in the 
current '95 top.)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
 ----------
From: Modern
Subject: '94's with '95 tops...
Date: Thursday, July 11, 1996 11:11PM

Has anyone had their '94 top replaced with the '95 Bestop under
warrantee?  I'm on my third '94 top and my dealer says that "Rover
refused to replace it with the '95" which I don't entirely believe.
I've seen MANY '95 tops on '94 Defender 90's and somehow I doubt that
people paid out of pocket to have them put on.  The two tops cost
exactly the same amount of money, too.  My only guess is that LRNA has
a bunch of '94 tops sitting around and wants to get rid of them.
Anyone have any idea how many they might have?  At the rate mine have
been expiring, they may run out.  <GRIN>

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Date: 12 Jul 1996 09:01:22 -0700
From: "Bob Frey" <frey@smtp.pvr.com>
Subject: Re(2): '94's with '95 tops...

The 95 top requires the track retrofit kit and removal of the snaps from =
the body...The dealer probably doesn't want to go through the hassle. =
Also many 94's were delivered to dealers sans tops and the 95 tops were =
added later.

Bob Frey
D90 "Red"

 ------ From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net, Fri, Jul 12, 1996 =
------ 

Has anyone had their '94 top replaced with the '95 Bestop under
warrantee?  I'm on my third '94 top and my dealer says that "Rover
refused to replace it with the '95" which I don't entirely believe.
I've seen MANY '95 tops on '94 Defender 90's and somehow I doubt that
people paid out of pocket to have them put on.  The two tops cost
exactly the same amount of money, too.  My only guess is that LRNA has
a bunch of '94 tops sitting around and wants to get rid of them.
Anyone have any idea how many they might have?  At the rate mine have
been expiring, they may run out.  <GRIN>

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AAE.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:10:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

TeriAnn writes:

> looking at the presented specs, it looks like you need a turbo 2.5L diesel
 to get more HP than a stock 2-1/4L petrol.
 Soooo What are the advantages of Diesel?... other than the smell keeping
 tailgaters away.
 fuel milage? how much?
> In my neck of the woods, diesel fuel is more expensive then petrol.
-
Better milage offsets higher fuel price (assuming the difference is 
about the same as the US)
Harder to drown a diesel.
Properly  designed diesel will outlive a petrol.
Better off-road ability
      high torque at low revs makes it easier to crawl
      no carb to get fuel starved at extreme angles
They'll run on a wider range of fuel
     no diesel? dump in vegatable oil, fuel oil, kerosene
The fuel is safer
and personally,  I like the sound of a diesel

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:17:27 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: roof wanted

Dear all,
        A friend of mine not on the net need a pick up roof for his 109.
Anyone have a good to avergae one in New England? If so email direct at
ecrover@midcoast.com.
        Thanks. They have 109 parts to trade, or will pay cash.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AAE.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:16:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

> Bill wrote:
> >Diesels have the advantage of being able to operate without a working 
> >electrical system. 
-
Good point. In the event of an atmospheric nuclear blast, the 
resulting electromatic field won't hinder your escape. (of course the 
blast might, but that's another issue)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AAE.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:20:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

> Is that a particular problem with LR diesels?  I had a VW diesel that 
> ran out of fuel several times (fuel gauge didn't have proper warning 
> light) and I don't recall any problems in refueling.

Likewise. Just long cranking in my VW would get it started, although 
hand priming made it start easier. Don't know the answer. Maybe it's 
because the two vehicles have different kinds of injection pumps. I'd 
have to dig out my diesel books to read up again on the pros & cons 
of the two styles.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AAE.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:27:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

Andy Woodward writes:

> What IS a problem is that if your tannk is full of accumulated water, 
-
That's why I *NEVER* fit a diesel engine without a *good* fuel 
filter/water seperator. I usually use Racor. But CAV appears to make 
a good one and they are OEM for L/R. Both are available with a high 
water level alarm in the bowl. CAV even makes one called Waterstop 
that shuts your engine down if the water level in the bowl reaches a 
certain level, but I wouldn't use it on a road vehicle.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: waving
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 12:00:00 CDT

I've had my first real shock as a LR owner:  while driving home from work, I 
honked my horn twice (sort of like saying Hello) at a Blue '93 or '94 Range 
Rover and the woman took a look at me and gave me the international sign for 
"Touchdown". (the middle finger)

What is this world coming to?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

P.S.  We might not be the only ones reading the articles comparing the new 
J**p to the D90:  I've been getting quite alot of waves from J**p owners. 
(primarily just the new coil-spung ones)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:14:04 -0700
From: DANIEL OPPENHEIM <daniel5@best.com>
Subject: Kermit- My new SerIIA 88"

After a trip to Stratford-upon-Avon in England, this last  February,  my
partner and I drove a brand-spanking new, RHD Defender 110 County Wagon. WE
WERE INSTANTLY BIT WITH THE LR BUG. Upon our return to the US, we set out
looking for one of our very own. Many folks were helpful, from Rovers North
to private owners to British Bulldog, Kellogg at NW Land Rover, Jim Allen,
Bill Teutsch in CO, Joseph at Land Rover Connection, Robert Davis, East
Coast Rovers,a super gentleman named Earl Davis in Ridgewood NJ, Jonny in
Bend OR,Bill Burke, Dan and Penny, John Hess, Ron Henry in England, Mike
Cooper at Cooper Technica in Chicago, THE WHOLE CREW AT BRITISH PACIFIC
(Even running out of gas on my 1st test drive of a 109"- thank goodness for
jerry cans!), Vic Stull, Gabor, Steve Martin in UT, Gene Lindall, Joe in
Mendicino, Chris in Sonora, HUGE GRATITUDE TO J.D.FEEMSTER FOR LETTING JULIA
AND ME DRIVE HIS BRAND NEW BABY, Doug Shipman in Portland for his superb
work and lastly to Tom in San Diego for bravely departing with his project:

Kermit, as my kids named him, is a 1965 Ser IIA Safari 88" Station Wagon.
Pastel green, limestone trop top,rebuilt engine, 2 barrel Weber carb.,cool
rear mounted gas can rack, stereo and CB, new galvanizing, flawless paint,
perfect body, new headliner, leg-burning heater, four newly upholstered rear
jump seats (with my 1st project- seat belts. What an experiencr drilling 6
holes in my 3-day old car!), factory, military spec oil cooler & 5 blade
cooling fan, bitchen cubby box, lots of extra guages, etc, etc, etc

Bottom line- we're thrilled to own and drive on a daily bases such a fine
specimen. Can't wait to meet others (We were at Monterey w/o a truck and
talked with many supportive folks, and then went to Hayward with Kermit and
busted our buttons with pride), do some "greenlaning" (No pinstipes for a
while, thank-you very much), ask questions, learn, laugh, eat vegiterian
food (veggy bangers?), schmooze, and whatever. 

I live in SF (Noe Valley) with partner, lover, friend, and co-owner Julia,
and 3 kids(two mine, one hers) Would love to hook up with other Landy
families for outings. I can be reached at (415) 282-5500 and/or
daniel5@best.com.

Best wishes for now,   Daniel

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:00:01 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Kermit- My new SerIIA 88"

Daniel,

I know that I responded to this message when you posted it on the
mendo_recce list but don't remember what all I said.

[snip]
>Bottom line- we're thrilled to own and drive on a daily bases such a fine
>specimen. Can't wait to meet others (We were at Monterey w/o a truck and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>families for outings. I can be reached at (415) 282-5500 and/or
>daniel5@best.com.

In case I didn't mention it before:  Are you planning to come to the
Paradise Lost notaRallye?  Did you see Bob and Sue's posting yesterday?  The
one on the LRO list got really hashed up for some reason but there was a
clean one on the mendo_recce list.

Say you'll come!

Cheers,

Granny

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From: RALPH@SMUGGITS.MHS.CompuServe.COM
Date: 12 Jul 96 11:34:03 EDT
Subject: Re: RE hackers on the major

Chris,

If you are just recieving email and haven't opened any attachments, there 
is currently nothing that any hacker could have done to stuff up your 
system. Even if you have opened attachments the chances that this is the 
cause of your problems is very minor. Just blame it on the network like 
all the other users :-).

Regards,

Ralph Pyne.(Network systems analyst)

101 FC.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:57:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: Midwest Rally

I'm just now getting caught up with the idea of a central LRO owners 
confab. I'm with Dave Place on this, so count me in. How much terrain 
contour do you guys need for fun off-roading anyhow? There's all sorts of 
likely areas. Sturgis? Why not, just not during biker season, of course, 
as I expect the town can only take so much oil leaking from machinery at 
one time. 

Cheers 

Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop 
An adventure every time you drive it...

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:10:19 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: S2A - clutch problem

Olafur from beautiful Iceland wrote:
>Hi 
>I bought a 1966 SII2A SWB just a week ago. The car had been standing inside
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>be wrong and how to fix it. Im not in the mood for taking the gearbox
>away!!! - though ive heard its not a big deal at all!!- 

So you went ahead and got it, I guess - I remember your questions at the 
time you were making up your mind. Congratulations! 

About your clutch: The two plates of the clutch are probably stuck together, 
maybe rusted together. One possibility would be to put the car into first or 
second gear and then start it, stepping on the clutch pedal at the same 
time. Needless to say this is good neither for the clutch nor for the 
engine, but the jolt might separate the plates. Needless to say you need 
space in front of your vehicle because it will jump forward. You also need a 
strong battery.

>Secondly: I have to
>replace most of the brakepipes - somebody told me that copper-pipes are not
>good - why?? I would think that the brake-hoses would crack first!! - hmmm!!

Ordinary copper pipes like the ones you might use for (geothermal) central 
heating are no good, they crack from the vibrations pretty soon. There are 
special copper pipes for brakes, and they are just fine, probably better 
than the steel you have because they would corrode less.

>Any response is a good one!!!

I would not be so sure about that, but that was my two pence worth anyway. 
See you in Skaftafjell next summer (I hope)!

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:30:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Midwest Rally

there is a 4x4 funfest in Sandwich Illinois and it would be fun to have some
Rovers come to show the "monster trucks" what a Rover can do.. It is at the
DeKalb County fairgrounds Sept 13-15,1996 and supposedly there is a web site
http://www.4wheeloffroad/events..but every time I try it I get an error
message. Anybody up for this??

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:11:43 -0700
From: dareguy@sierra.net (Russ Potts)
Subject: Rover Parts

By way of introduction my name is Russ Potts, I live in North Lake Tahoe CA.
I recently inherited a 1972 Series III 88 from my deceased father. I am
planning on keeping it, so there are a few things that I would like to do to
it . Some of the things I want to do are engine work, cosmetic work and a
rag top. In checking with Atlantic Rover I found that it would cost me
approx $1200.00 to put a rag top on my Rover. The other odds and ends would
also be very expensive. My question is mainly to those on the West coast, is
there any place were "experienced parts" can be purchased? or any of you
that may have any of these parts available yourselves? Please let me know.

Russ Potts
"72 88
79 Triumph Bonnie
95 Triumph Sprint

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:40:18 -0800
From: "Deanna D. Sitter" <lani@alaska.net>
Subject: RR Brake Rotors for Sale

In my travels I have come across a set of front and rear non vented 
brake rotors for a Range Rover.  They are several years old, but never 
installed.  I also have the pads and small bits of hardware to go with 
these.  I would be happy to part with the lot for $250.00 US. I also 
have a RR steering box arm with integral ball joint.  As I live in 
Alaska, any one interested would have to cover shipping.  If you are 
interested please E-Mail me at lani@alaska.com

Tim Sitter
'73 88

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:52:48 -0400
From: hilltop <hilltop@worldchat.com>
Subject: Series I Regulator

Hello; 
   Looking for some help with my 1956, 86" series I. Specifically I'm 
trying to return to an original Lucas genny and am having the dickens 
trying to slueth the regulator wiring. 
   During the initial restoration I decided to install a simple, 
trustworthy, Delco internal regulated alternator. Works great but I'm 
getting really embarrased by the constant belt squeeling and can't find 
a suitable belt to correct it. (all available at tractor store 1/8th too 
narrow, Rover unit too short for alt. placement) Of couse the original, 
clothe, split, corroded wires were removed at this time so they are not 
available for reference. 
   Seems no other fine British automobile, for which the local libraries 
have some manuals, used the venerable Lucas, 5 terminal regulator, or 
anything similar.

THE POINT >>  Can anyone out there give me some wiring information or 
maybe (oh please) a wiring schematic for this regulator? It would be 
appreciated a whole bunch.

 Otherwise, myself and my "safari yellow" LR can be seen sporting about 
the lanes of southern Ontario Canada (Long Point area) so give us a wave 
 or send some e-mail.                 thanks
						RONALD

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From: LRRobDog@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:41:41 -0400
Subject: Need a Slll

I am looking for a Slll 88 for day to day driving.
I am in S. calif. so east cost Rovers need not apply.
BTW My Sl 80 is still for sale.
Please E-Mail me LRROBDOG@AOL.COM

Thanks Rob

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:56:12
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Rover Parts

>By way of introduction my name is Russ Potts, I live in North Lake Tahoe
>CA.
Lucky you!
>I recently inherited a 1972 Series III 88 from my deceased father. I am
>planning on keeping it, so there are a few things that I would like to do
> to it . Some of the things I want to do are engine work, cosmetic work and 
>a rag top.
Hey, this is sounding familiar!

>79 Triumph Bonnie
	(probably leaks oil as bad as a Rover)
>95 Triumph Sprint
	(probably will eventually leak oil as bad as a Rover)

	Sorry to hear about your Dad. My first recommendation, at the risk of 
causing alienation, would be to lose one of the bikes to subsidise the Rover. 
Strictly from an investment point of view, the Rover will return far more 
dollar for dollar input than the bikes. (personally I'd keep the Bonneville)
In any case, you are certainly on the right track in terms of parts chasing. 
This list should be your first resource when it comes to your truck's needs.
You should also check out the Roverweb site for basic ins and outs of these 
vehicles.
	This truck will last well into the next century with proper care and 
will only increase in value.I highly recommend you do your research carefully 
and thoroughly when it comes to repairs and remodeling as it will not only 
add to your knowlege and enjoyment of this famous marque, but add value to 
your accumulating asset.
	Welcome to the Land Rover Owners society. You will always have a friend 
here. No need to worry where the oily side is.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:14:19 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: roof wanted

At 12:17 PM 7/12/96 -0500, Mike Smith wrote:
>Dear all,
>        A friend of mine not on the net need a pick up roof for his 109.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
>    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
>        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

Too bad he's so far away.  I have a 109 safari top with oval windows,
second skin & roof vents to get rid of.

Any progress on the Dormobile roof vent lids??????  My roof is presently
getting a new gel coat & would look a lot nicer with a lid on the roof
vent.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 00:48:51 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Off-road in NH Aug 3rd / 4th   

All, 

I'm considering running some old green lanes up here in NH and also trying 
some new lanes I have found on the map . I'm contemplating the weekend of 
August 3rd / 4th. Due to work commitments, this is the only possible weekend I 
can do it.

Anyone interested in doing the both Sat and Sun ? If enough are interested we 
will do both days, and camp out in the woods. 

E-mail me if anyone is interested in coming along.  

Mark

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:22:34 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: more Land Rover diesel education desired

Next question.  Whats the major differences among the 2.5L diesel, 2000tdi
and 3000 tdi???

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:28:23 -0700
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Re: waving

>I've had my first real shock as a LR owner:  while driving home from work, I
>honked my horn twice (sort of like saying Hello) at a Blue '93 or '94 Range
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>"Touchdown". (the middle finger)
>What is this world coming to?

Well, you have to understand that most Range Rover owners in the US (and in
other countries, too) buy the vehicle for the status that's been attached
to it.  They don't have a clue as to the Range Rover's heritage or it's
capabilities.  It's just a status symbol to them.  I would hazard a guess
that many of the people you see driving them don' t even know Range Rovers
are full-time four wheel drive, or that it has a viscous clutch in the
transfer case, etc.  To them, a Series Land Rover, or even a new Defender
is a boxy, ugly truck, certainly not worthy of being seen in THEIR
neighborhood.  They probably view Discoveries as "poor people's" Range
Rovers.  The lady you refer to probably would have given you the finger if
she'd been driving a BMW 750, a Mercedes, or a Lexus or Infinity.  You were
just somebody daring to honk their horn at HER.  I'm sure she never grasped
the connection between whatever you were driving and her Range Rover.

C. Marin Faure
        author, Flying A Floatplane

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