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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:18:51 -0400
Subject: RE: Ford Explorer

Jim writes...
    The driver tried to get out of his door. Couldn't. Why? Chassis flex was
=
    so severe (C-section frame) that the DOOR COULDN'T OPEN!!!

    In desperation, they managed to back him down.
    But not before he hung up and tore off the exhaust!!!

ROFL! 
dont you just love the ones who *think* their truck can?

spenny

1969 SWB The Wayback Machine <-- *New Frame*
Soon to be Ex of Haverhill Mass.
Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway, 
what will they think of next?

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:18:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Land-Rover.Team.Net mail outage for 10-Jul-96

Bruce writes....
    The host for Land-Rover.Team.Net was hacked on 10-Jul-96 at 00:34am PST
    such that there where almost no valid user home directories and the node
    name was "whitehouse.gov".

    (the rat has been traced to his nest and the exterminators have been
called, 
    but until we fix the hole another may get in).

perhaps a local LRO can go park his rover on the rat's preferred mode of
transport (hopefully hiking boots) an explain to the individual in question
that we dont like intrusions such as this :-)

spenny

1969 SWB The Wayback Machine <-- *New Frame*
Soon to be Ex of Haverhill Mass.
Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway, 
what will they think of next?

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:40:42 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Classic sighting

I just saw  Dr.Who the movie  on the box
which contains a Range Rover Classic sighting -
and added it to the movie database at
   <URL:http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Contents/>
The love interest (in Dr Who ?!?! sigh) drives it, briefly.
Maybe the TV series will come back, with `Unit', dafy UK army major's
and lots of Mil' Landies.

Haven't heard of any other movie sightings for a while ...

Have you all seen the BBC TV series `Hamish Macbeth' -
Scottish policeman with a SIII SWB diesel?

Richard Hughes has a nice article on Minerva's at
   <URL:http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/Landy/Landy.html>

Lloyd

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Classic sighting
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 13:49:01 BST

> I just saw  Dr.Who the movie  on the box
> which contains a Range Rover Classic sighting -
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Maybe the TV series will come back, with `Unit', dafy UK army major's
> and lots of Mil' Landies.

BRIGADIER!   Tut-tut.   :-)
I don't think he'd appreciate being called a Major!

> Have you all seen the BBC TV series `Hamish Macbeth' -
> Scottish policeman with a SIII SWB diesel?

"Heartbeat" (something I try to avoid) - a Yorkshire TV series
(ie. shown on ITV) about a North York Moors policeman in the '50s
(semi-autobiographical like Herriot) has been known to feature Series I
vehicles.

Richard

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:02:48 -0500
Subject: abbrev. 

On 11 Jul 96 ,somebody wrote:

> ROFL! 

I've been doing this mail thing for about a year now and still see 
abbreviations now and then which I can't figure out.  Is there someplace on 
the net where they are explained so I can be cool too?  Sorry for 
non-content.

 TIA...not            (Too Intelligent to Ask)

Ron

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: fj@nohau.se
Date:  Thu, 11 Jul 1996   15:10:10  +0100
Subject: RR fuel economy and camshaft etc

Hello from Sweden,

I own a 1988 Range Rover 3.5 EFI since 2 years. It has done over 200 000km
without any complaints so far. Recently fuel consumption went up from 13
liters/100km to 18 liters/100km.

What are your experiences with fuel consumption ?

Can I expect better economy, I drive 45 km to work mostly 90km/h ?
If that is so what is the trick ?

Does anybody have any experience in the products offered by RPi of
Norwich=3D20=3D
?
I am going there next week to have a new Piper cam installed along with som=
=3D
e
new head gaskets, Cloyes timing chain and a better fuel pressure regulator.
I would be grateful for any comments in performance or economy differences
experienced.

Fredrik Jeppsson
---------------------
Nohau Elektronik AB
Fosiev=E4gen 6
S-214 31 Malm=F6
SWEDEN

Tel:	+46-40-922425
Fax:	+46-40-968161
---------------------

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:45:39 GMT
From: Olafur Agust <hmo@rvik.ismennt.is>
Subject: S2A - clutch problem

Hi 
I bought a 1966 SII2A SWB just a week ago. The car had been standing inside
for ten whole years - it was in an excellent condition when it was parked -
but time has put its marks on it. I managed to get the engine started
yesterday but the clutch does not work - that is my question => It looks if
the cylinders are working but nothing happens - Does anyone know what could
be wrong and how to fix it. Im not in the mood for taking the gearbox
away!!! - though ive heard its not a big deal at all!!- Secondly: I have to
replace most of the brakepipes - somebody told me that copper-pipes are not
good - why?? I would think that the brake-hoses would crack first!! - hmmm!!

Any response is a good one!!!

Thanx       Olafur Agust (hmo@ismennt.is)  
----*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*----
hmo@rvik.ismennt.is                   Iceland welcomes you!!!

"If there is something more important than my ego!! - i want it hunt down
 and shot - NOW!!!"           
                                 Zaphod Beeblebrox

----*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*------*----

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:45:55 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Classic sighting

At  1:49 PM 7/11/96 +0100, Richard Marsden wrote:
;
> I just saw  Dr.Who the movie  on the box
> which contains a Range Rover Classic sighting -
;
I have "Day of the Daleks" on Laser disk at home.  Dr. Who briefly drives a
military 109 regular.  He leaves in one and arrives in a second (that was
supposed to be the first).  Or at least while off screen in transit it
losses a machine gun mount in the centre of the bed and picks up a front
hoop.

Hoping the Dr's tardis will rematerialize with farther adventures

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Classic sighting
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:49:46 BST

> > I just saw  Dr.Who the movie  on the box
> > which contains a Range Rover Classic sighting -
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> hoop.
> Hoping the Dr's tardis will rematerialize with farther adventures

The vague rumours I heard (I'm not a fan, so could be wrong)
were along the lines of:  New film + possibility of new series.
Then, I heard the series had been axed at about the time the film was shown
in the US. Being before the showing over here, I understand it annoyed some
fans.

But we all know that a sonic screwdriver, and the ability to reverse the
polarity of the neutron flow is all that is required to keep out Landies
on the road forever...

Richard

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:02:49 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: New Chassis

Dear Charles and all,
        Not to sound like an advert, but wanted to give Charles some info
to help him make a choice leaf or coil. Hope you don't mind. Not a lot of
people in the US have coil conversions, so you might get limited answers to
your questions.

>Well, it seems that my Rover will be needing a new chassis before long.a
>bit of oxidation.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>controllably softer ride.  Mass roads will beat a body to death with stock
>shocks.

        I think it is worth it. The articlutaion is better, the ride is
better on road and off road. Even the 9 foot smaller turning radius really
helps, on and off road, as well as approach and departure angles. These
facts have all been proven by the D90. The coil chassis has the identical
configuration as a D90. If you want more height the coil has it, and with
other springs you can even go higher, and get easily to 32 or 33 tires. We
use Bilstein shocks, very nice for the Maine roads.
>My first problem is that I have 15" wheels with 30x9.50 tyres.  Will going to
>16" wheels and 33" tyres affect much?  I could also use the extra road speed.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>advantage, but you can go from Caddy suspension to brick truck suspension
>with the press of a button.

        16 and 33's on a leaf will be tight. We run 34's on our Zebra coil,
and they barely fit that. I don't know how they'd fit on a leaf system. The
coil actually can increase your road speed. Not by gears or tires, but by
confidence in the system, disc brakes, wider more stable track, etc. With
the same engine and gearbox, you feel more comfortable pushing them harder.
Any upgrade in shocks or springs you can get for a D90, you can apply to
the coil.
>I am a touch purist, so the coil conversion sort of turns me off (plus the
>$6500 cost). But I would be willing since the new stuff is still mostly LR.
> With the Ranchos I could get the softer ride, and with the taller tyres I
>could get the clearance.  (How large can I safely go with tyres?)

        The purist side is your call, but if your chassis has been changed
before, the purity of your *original* rover is gone anyway, but some people
swear by leaf springs, and they have that right. The system does use all
Rover parts though, at least we aren't putting in Ford Exploere parts or
something. If that was the case I'd agree on the purist issue. Also if your
Rover is a rare model, or has incredibly low mileage, don't coil it. You
have the cost wrong. The 88 chassis is 5500. The one at the show was a 109,
for 6500. So cost wise you need to compare apples to apples before you say
the coil is costly. Grab your Rovers North catalog and add up a new
marsland galv. leaf chassis, 4 new springs, u bolts, shocks, axle stops,
check straps, a complete swivel ball job, all new wheel bearings, a
complete brake job, including master cyl and all hoses, new fuel tank,
shackles, etc etc etc. It isn't that costly when you compare what you get,
to what it would take to get to the same point with leafs.
>BTW, Downeast was great.  Sorry if I didn't get a chance to meet you.  I was
>the guy in the Poppy Red Series III 88' with soft top and early D110 fender
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> If you were there and subscribe, describe your vehicle so I can put your
>name with you vehicle.

        Glad you made it, hope you enjoyed the effort that we all go to to
make that a fun weekend. Hope to see you next year.
>Charles Cooper                                                   SerIII 88
> Daily Driver
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>                                                                    Ashamedly
>Too Many MGs

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:57:43 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Land Rover diesel education desired

It has come to my attention that I am woefully ignorent about the diesel
engines that came in varios Rovers over the years.

I would like to know such things as types, HP, torque, fuel milage, models
& years of Rovers that they came on.

Also, why do I have the impression that you don't want to run a diesel fuel
tank empty?  why?

Any diesel fans out there willing to provide a basic education?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 11 Jul 96 10:03:11 EDT
Subject: Re: S2A - clutch problem

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:14:07 -0400
From: Chris Wysocki <chris@datalife.com>
Subject: Re: Northern NJ LR Dealers

At Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:29:35 -0400, Richard Ruffer <rruffer@interserv.com>
wrote:

>CarlDashman wrote:
>> We have heard that the dealers on Long Island
>> are OK.  But here in Northern NJ, our local one is a disaster.  
>Which dealer is it? I've had bad experiences with Paul Miller in Parsippany

but been 
>relatively pleased with LR Paramus (Prestige). Is there a new dealer in
Summit? As for 
>other dealers, LR in Woodbridge is now owned by Paul Miller (I assume the
same lousy 
>service).

When did you have these bad experiences? 

We bought our 95 Disco from Paul Miller just over a year ago.  So far we have
received nothing but excellent service.  Every time my wife brings in the truck
she is greeted by name and they have fixed every little problem we have had
(so far we've had the 7500 and 15,000 service done there).  Just today, she
called up to find out about getting the truck inspected and they said to bring
it by tomorrow morning.

One reason we choose Paul Miller to buy our Discovery is that some friends
(who are very particular about things) bought their Range Rover from them
and they raved about the service.

...Chris and Tammy Wysocki
   <chris@datalife.com>
   95 Discovery Avalon Blue
   Yes, we wave!

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 11 Jul 96 10:18:39 EDT
Subject: Insurance Appraiser in the Boston, Ma. USA area?

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:17:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "DISCO KING OF DEPAUW..." <WESLEYKH@DEPAUW.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I am looking for another 5-door 109.  I am prepared to preform an engine swap...infact a bad engine is great.  I have seen every LR related page on the web and
still I am looking. E-mail me if you have any leads.
Wes Huffstutter
wesleykh@depauw.edu
wesleykh@santa.csc.depauw.edu
mrhealth@earthlink.net

1967 109
5-door "The Jungle Truck"

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 07:18:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Mark Kraieski's accident

On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, D Jordan <djordan@neptune.dbn.lia.net> wrote:

>The consensus of opinion from experienced drivers, in which category I do
>not include myself, is that power steering and coil springs make it
>relatively easy to roll a Land Rover.   

I don't have either....I rolled....where does that put me?

On second thought, don't answer that.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 10:30:20 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Downeast Rally/ Diesel Road Trip(s)

Dateline: one day in June...

Bill Adams and I had planned to drive up to the Downeast Rally together in his 
109 diesel Station Wagon. After various negotiations with various significant 
others, the plan was set...but there was a catch! Poor old Bill had just started
a new job, and hadn't earned any leave yet. OOPS! Bill knew that the was only 
one thing to do, and that was to give me carte blanche use of the Rover for the 
weekend. I had toyed with the idea of driving up in a 109 Ambulance owned by 
another local guy, but the diesel would work out better logistically, so, I 
accepted. What self respecting masochist would refuse an opportunity to travel 
1300 solo miles in thirty year old diesel Land Rover? 

The Saturday before the rally, Bill and I attempted to forestall disaster and 
went over the truck with a not so fine-toothed comb. We found a few problems, 
including a blown hub seal and of course two soaked brake shoes. There were 
other things like the missing chassis bushing, and the broken frame around the 
shock mount...Despite all this, nary a second thought went through my head. I 
was determined! I picked up the truck on Monday night and left Bill with my 
Honda Civic (hee hee hee). After a bit of playing around and figuring out the 
particulars of the truck I could almost actually imagine what the next 650 miles
would be like. 

Tuesday I drove the fully loaded 109 to work. After work I hopped in and zipped 
(yeah right) up to my parents house in NJ. On the way I stopped to visit my 
friend J, who has been in some trouble with the law and isn't real happy right 
now. I knew he would like the Rover, and I was right. The conversation went like
this.

J.: What's the difference between a Land Rover and a Range Rover?

Me: Well, Range Rovers are posher and look completely different.

J.: What's yours, "Land" or "Range"

Me: "Land"

J.: What about that one out there? "Land" or "Range"?

Me: "Land"

J.: What do you like better,"Land" or "Range"?

Me: "Land"

Anyway, it was a good visit...hadn't seen J. for a year and a half or so...

Then it was on to Mom's house, where I'm sure I woke the entire neighborhood 
with the diesel and the slamming doors...
Wednesday morning after breakfast, I hit the road for Boston, but not before 
decorating the truck with large rubber insects and reptiles that I found while 
waiting on line while purchasing batteries for my radio.

After 7 1/2 hours of fighting through intermittent traffic and rain, I was in 
Boston. I had filled up with the Jerry can on the NJ turnpike, and had spilled a
little diesel on my jeans. When I greeted my lovely girlfriend Yvette at the 
door of her apartment, the first thing she says to me is "You smell like oil"
To this I responded, "Well, that's what happens when you drive 350 miles in 
Diesel Land Rover". "Well I don't want to ride in it then, if all my clothes are
gonna smell like gas" "Well, we don't have to take it, well just walk" "Okay"
Then later, "You fingernails are so dirty". Then when see saw the 109, "it's too
big" "You don't need that" I like yours better". Oh well, so much for getting a 
109...

Thursday I said good-bye to Yvette and hit the road, stopping on the way to pick
up some 16" wheels and watch Al Richer make mushrooms out of spring bushings. We
threw the tires up on the roof, in a (successful) attempt to make the vehicle 
extremely difficult to handle on the road, particularly exit ramps...

>From Al's I drove out to Spenny's (Spencer Norcross) house to begin the trip up 
to Owl's Head. We were being joined by Spencer's Mom (nice lady, Hi there if 
you're reading this) and his dog, Bo (sp?).Spencer's Land Rover is and 
interesting combination of brand new galvanized frame and completely "cacked" 
body. Doors that don't close, no door seals, etc. Well, I guess that makes it 
standard Land Rover, so i take that back. It's perfect Spenny, don't worry...

We caravanned up into Maine, every now and then we would switch off who lead. 
Upon reaching Portland ME, we left the expressway, paid the toll, and drove 
another five miles into the city to eat at a Roy rogers. Spencer's Mom was in 
the lead and she took us for a whirlwind tour of Portland's one-way streets 
(guess which way? that's right, the WRONG way!) and we maximized the experience 
by driving in at least every lane of every road we went on. After dinner I took 
the lead, and did much better, er slower, er....We got onto RT. 1 in Maine and 
rove for a couple more hours, before I pulled over to regroup. Unbeknownst to me
I had led everybody into the parking lot of a Maximum Security prison. This was 
kindly but no so gently explained to us by the officer in the American truck. He
must have thought we were attempting a jailbreak, what with our sinister 
appearance and big funny-looking trucks...needless to say we were happy to go on
or way, having seen enough of the penitentiary

We finally Arrived at camp just after dark, and set up camp...

TO BE CONTINUED

Cheers
Dave B, Arlington VA

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:26:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Insurance Appraiser in the Boston, Ma. USA area?

On 11 Jul 1996, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> My insurance company is being a real pain in the behind about insuring my 109 
> for collision. As such, I need to get an appraisal done, and I want an 
> appraiser that knows Rovers.

	Don't know about south of the border, but up here, the club (OVLR)
	has been doing them on a form we developed and the insurance companies
	seem happy.  Used the basic argument that the appraiser people
	couldn't know more that licensed mechanics, newsletter editors,
	executive members of a Land Rover club.  They bought it...

> The one who came out to do my glass check said I had a 5-speed and 1,000,000 
> miles on the car...idiot.

	Blinded by the dash...

> Anybody know a good one? Jim Pappas, are you guys as LRMW a licensed 
> appraisal shop? -ajr

	They want licensed?  Don't think there is such an animal up here...

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:28:21 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Oil pressure light sender/galv frames/lurchers

You wrote: 

>Is the oil pressure light sender something you can
>fix/adjust or is it a straight replacement?  

Straight forward swap out - relatively inexpensive.
(Assuming you don't have a short somewhere in the circuit causing 
grounding this would be the way to go)

>When a frame is galvanized, does the inside get
>galvanized as well?

Yes, the whole thing should get dipped.

>CDC

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:46:17 -0500
From: doncastr@ns.acadiacom.net (Peter C. Doncaster)
Subject: Brakes squeal

Just replaced the brake drums, shoes, and cylinders on my '64 IIA 88, and
I'm getting some mighty loud squeals.  I did not have the drums turned,
assuming they were done at the factory.  I have checked for leaks on the
hubs, and replaced the gasket on one hub that was leaking.  Also the squeal
is worst at about medium pedal pressure. Lots of pressure...no squeal,
little pressure...faint squeal.   Should I have the drums turned?   Or
could it be somthing elce????

Peter Doncaster
'64 IIA 88 SW
New Orleans, USA
doncastr@acadiacom.net

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:57:27 -0400
Subject: Mark K's accident

1. condolences on the Disco and happy that everyone made it OK
2. Keep right, pass left (general courtesy in LHD world, law in some
states).  This way, you can look at the lane you want to switch to in
the mirror and still have perif. vision of the traffic ahead.
Driving through New England I noticed that everyone cruises in the left
lanes, switching right just to cut off anybody trying to pass on the
right.
Jan

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:21:56 -0600
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:57:43 -0700, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>It has come to my attention that I am woefully ignorent about the diesel
>engines that came in varios Rovers over the years.

>I would like to know such things as types, HP, torque, fuel milage, models
>& years of Rovers that they came on.
I'm sure there's a faq out there somewhere. (Or there
should be)
But here's what I have here at work which on;y covers the
2.25l

1958-1985 (all models to the best of my knowledge)
displacement: 2286 cc
bore: 3.562 in
stroke: 3.5 in (Good ratio)
compression ratio: 23:1
BHP @ 4000rpm: 62
max torque: 103 lb/ft @ 1750 rpm

1979 the engine got 5 mains

I don't have any specs on the 2.5 & later engines

>Also, why do I have the impression that you don't want to run a diesel fuel
>tank empty?
True

>why? 
Because it's a %&$@!* in the &*&!#! to prime the injection
pump (unless you have the handy-dandy add-on's for the CAV
pump I mentioned some time back) (and then it still is
annoying). That's why the diesel LR's have low fuel warning
lamps.

Tom Rowe
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194   trowe@aae.wisc.edu

	Four wheel drive allows you to get
	stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:27:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> I'm sure there's a faq out there somewhere. (Or ther should be)
>.
	http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.4.Diesel.html

> But here's what I have here at work which on;y covers the 2.25l
>.
	This kind of stuff (incomplete) is:

	http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.4.Engines.html

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:29:58 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: abbrev.

>> ROFL!

>I've been doing this mail thing for about a year now and still see
>abbreviations now and then which I can't figure out.

This one is Rolling On Floor Laughing.  There are lists of these things
floating out there in the Ether-- a quick Alta-vista search turned up the
following...

http://www.mother.com/~osherry/acronyms.html
http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/~mrsteve/tla.html
http://www.supernet.net/~nickdr/means.html

Surf and you shall find!  (And if you're "boardless", send me private mail
and I'll send you one of these as a text file.)

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:54:44 +0200
From: Franz Zammit Haber <fzh@maltanet.omnes.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

At 06:57 11/7/96 -0700, you wrote:
>It has come to my attention that I am woefully ignorent about the diesel
>engines that came in varios Rovers over the years.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>TeriAnn
>twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS
>Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet
hello teriann

I think i can give a little help with your questions cause i am a big diesel
fan myself. a lot of research went into this list (phew...)

series 1 landrover may 1957 2052cc diesel 51bhp@3500rpm & 87lbs/ft@2000rpm

series 2 landrover 1958-1961 2052cc diesel 51bhp@3500rpm & 87lbs/ft@2000rpm

series 2a landrover 1961-1971 2286cc diesel 62bhp@4000rpm & 103lbs/ft@1800rpm

series 2a FC landrover 1962-1966 2286cc diesel 62bhp@4000rpm & 103lbs/ft@1800rpm

series 2b FC landrover 1966-1972 2286cc diesel 62bhp@4000rpm & 103lbs/ft@1800rpm

series 2/3 LWlandrover 1968-1985 2286cc diesel 62bhp@4000rpm & 103lbs/ft@1800rpm

series 3 landrover 1968-1985 2286cc diesel 62bhp@4000rpm & 103lbs/ft@1800rpm

90,110,130 landrover 1983-1990 2286cc diesel 62bhp@4000rpm & 103lbs/ft@1800rpm
                               2494cc diesel 67bhp@4000rpm & 114lbs/ft@1800rpm
                  turbocharged 2494cc diesel 85bhp@4000rpm & 150lbs/ft@1800rpm

90,110,130 defender 1990-1996
200 turbo charged intercooled 2494cc diesel 107bhp@3800rpm & 188lbs/ft@1800rpm
300 turbo charged intercooled 2494cc diesel 111bhp@4000rpm & 195lbs/ft@1800rpm

discovery
200 turbo charged intercooled 2494cc diesel 111bhp@4000rpm & 195lbs/ft@1800rpm
300 turbo charged intercooled 2494cc diesel 111bhp@4000rpm & 195lbs/ft@1800rpm

range rover classic
V.M. turbo charged intercooled 2500cc diesel 112bhp@4200rpm & 200lbs/ft@1950rpm
V.M. turbo charged intercooled 2500cc diesel 119bhp@4200rpm & 209lbs/ft@1950rpm
300 turbo charged intercooled 2494cc diesel 111bhp@4000rpm & 195lbs/ft@1800rpm

current range rover specs not available

I hope i have given you a clear picture of diesel models which land rover
has or had. Not to acurate but it will help
To your other question i agree not to run on an empty tank. as there is a risk 
of your engine ingesting water (as water is heavier than diesel it will sink
to the bottom) also small debris and sluge. i am telling you through experience
as here in malta the diesel is quite dirty due to old tanks. but now it
seems that most filling stations are changing thier tanks. as to the problem
of water and debris i resolved it by fitting a racor water seperator and
filter from a marine specialist which gives me 6000miles between service
intervals . i also empty water every two months or when the bowl of the
filter has some in. it has a handy tap at the bottom.
I took this precaution as i have fitted a 200tdi into my ageing 1974 sIII
which has been on the vehicle for the past year.hope i have been of any help
to you.. i think i'll sign off.........

patrick zammit haber
e-mail fzh@maltanet.omnes.net
land rover sIII 1974 Tdi power

old rovers never die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: Willyz@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:56:51 -0400
Subject: Dead OD for sale.

My OD expired a couple of months ago in NYC. (1200 miles from home) It got
extremely hot and started making lots of scary noises. Anyway, I wanted to
drive back to Kansas at 60mph.

I assumed a bearing or bearings failed. It had worked fine although loudly
until the failure. I took it apart a bit this weekend and all the shafts and
gears seem good but the needle bearings (RTC7193) are obviously shot. I don't
really feel like rebuilding it so I thought I would try to sell it or "part
it out".

Anybody need a dead OD with bad bearings for $200? The unit is in Manhattan,
KS (right off I-70 for anybody going to Crested Butte)

Bill Kaszer
73 Series III
Manhattan, KS

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:00:25 +0200
From: logical@icon.co.za (Paul Damhuis)
Subject: Oil Light

check that there is no short (to ground) on the cable to the sender.

Paul

Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow the sky may fall on our heads.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:01:53 -0500
From: doncastr@ns.acadiacom.net (Peter C. Doncaster)
Subject: Brakes Squeal

Thanks to Alan Richer, my brakes no longer sing.

Peter Doncaster
'64 IIA 88 SW
New Orleans, USA
doncastr@acadiacom.net

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:09:44 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes Squeal

Peter C. Doncaster wrote:

> Thanks to Alan Richer, my brakes no longer sing.

Peter,

What caused it and what fixed it?

Just curious,
Nate Dunsmore

Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:34:01 -0700
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Re: Interesting Sighting

You wrote: 

>	I saw a Camel Trophy Defender 110, at about 3:30 this afternoon, 
going =
>east on Interstate 80, about 15 miles west of Reno NV on the 
California =
>side . It had all the lights, gas cans, and Camel Trophy plates all 
over =
>like it was going on expedition. ( I guess if you have one you should 
=
>have all the stuff on it?) 

..

There is a Camel Trophy D110 that lives in San Leandro (East Bay, CA).  
I am not sure if that was the vehicle.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:26:49 -0600
Subject: K&N filters

There's been a fair amount of traffic about K7N filters, it
seems, in the past month or so. I found this web site that
has a link to K&N info (amoung other things).

http://www.motorville.com/

Tom Rowe
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194		Four wheel drive allows you to get
trowe@aae.wisc.edu	stuck in places even more inaccessible.

	

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:34:48 -0600
Subject: Re: K&N filters

On Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:26:49 -0600, Tom Rowe wrote:

>There's been a fair amount of traffic about K7N filters, it
Oops, that's K&N.

Tom Rowe
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194		Four wheel drive allows you to get
trowe@aae.wisc.edu	stuck in places even more inaccessible.

	

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:38:29 -0500
From: doncastr@ns.acadiacom.net (Peter C. Doncaster)
Subject: Re: Brakes Squeal

>Peter C. Doncaster wrote:
>> Thanks to Alan Richer, my brakes no longer sing.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>Boring, MD 21020
>dunsmo19@us.net

Alan said to:

Clean the insides of the drums thoroughly with brake cleaner, and then relax.
Once the shoes settle in the squealing will diminish.

I did, it worked.

Alan then said:

The reason they were squealing is due to brake dust between the shoes and
drums. You'll get a lot of this as the shoes bed in, then less once they're
seated properly.

A lot of times a squeal like this can be due to weak springs not damping the
vibrations at low pedal pressure.

Peter Doncaster
'64 IIA 88 SW
New Orleans, USA
doncastr@acadiacom.net

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:55:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: Doors (not the band)

I lost the list there for a day or two...so does anyone know the proper 
method of taking doors off a D90?  

P.S. A little tidbit: While exploring a wooded area along comes a Hummer 
and gets himself wedged between two big oaks and a maple.  Driver refused 
assistance from a "f***'in Defender"  Too bad.

Peace,
Rich
'95 D90

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Subject: Paradise-Lost - Training for SCLR RUBICON TRIP
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:27:16 -0700

Since we're not sure the Mendo Recce list is working at the moment, we
decided to post our P-Lost message to the Digest.

Cheers,

Bob and Sue

>To: mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us
>From: bobnsueb@mailserv.maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Hello all you intrepid LRO's,
>Just a reminder, the 2nd Annual Joe Lucas Paradise-Lost Not-A-Rallye is
coming up in a few weeks, the weekend of July 26-28th.  For any of you who
think you want to go on the Rubicon, you might want to try a couple of the
trails up here first :).
>This past weekend Bruce and Stephanie joined us for an all day venture up
>From: bobnsueb@mailserv.maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
to our P-Lost camp site at Lake Philbrook (it's still there just waiting for
us), then over Bald Mountain (past the lookout), to Ramsey Bar, and up the
Tobin Trail.  The trail was so overgrown at first we didn't recognize it,
and thought we had somehow found a different trail, however, once we got to
the sluices we knew we were on the right track.
>Now we don't want to suggest to anyone that their vehicle might not make it
>From: bobnsueb@mailserv.maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
over this trail, but both vehicles HAD to use their lockers in at least one
(and I think possible 2) spots or we wouldn't have made it. 
>This trail used to be a lot more fun (we have run it 3 or 4 times, but not
>Subject: Paradise-Lost - Training for SCLR RUBICON TRIP
in the last 4 years).  The recent rainy winters have taken their toll, and
the erosion has made parts of the trail *almost* impassible....  Hopefully
future winters won't totally ruin it.
>The overgrowth definitely did a good deal of pin-striping down the sides of
>This trail used to be a lot more fun (we have run it 3 or 4 times, but not
both LRs (Spot and Sherman), and Bob lost an argument with a tree :), and
crunched the left side of Sherman's front bumper (now it matches the right
side of the bumper which was dinged several years ago, on the Tobin Trail
also.  Spot suffered a torn top, thanks to a tree which we had to squeeze
around while avoiding a hughly washed out part of a sluice.  It was a lot of
fun, but a lot of work.  
>We didn't get to run the Bear Lake trail, but have been told by the local
>This trail used to be a lot more fun (we have run it 3 or 4 times, but not
4-wheelers that it hadn't changed much from last year.  Of course, the
locals run 36" tires on their jacked up 4x4's, so have an easier time due to
better clearance.  We'll just have to see how far we can get. 
>The Morris Trail is open, but I would suggest walking it, not trying to
>This trail used to be a lot more fun (we have run it 3 or 4 times, but not
drive it...... We'll be happy to sit at the top with our winch for any brave
enough to try it <g>.  
>The trails into the High Lakes are open (no snow to be found).  They are a
>This trail used to be a lot more fun (we have run it 3 or 4 times, but not
little rougher than last year, due to all the rain and snow, but definitely
passable.
>Of course, there's always the trail the gonzo Lazy Buggers took on Sunday
>This trail used to be a lot more fun (we have run it 3 or 4 times, but not
last year at P-Lost, from Coon Hollow to Lotts Lake - the back way.  
>For you culinary pleasures, there will again be the Saturday Night Pot Luck
>This trail used to be a lot more fun (we have run it 3 or 4 times, but not
at the main camp site, hopefully starting around 8 or 8:30 p.m.  Please join
in and surprise us with your favorite dish.
>For directions, and additional information please contact us at
<bobnsueb@maxinet.com> or call us at (916) 877-5656.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Happy Rovering,
>Sue and Bob

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:11:12 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Doors (not the band)

I lost the list there for a day or two...so does anyone know the proper 
method of taking doors off a D90?  

If it were me I d probably drive the pin out of the hinge, assuming it's the 
same hinge as the SIII. This way you don't have to worry about lining everything
back up when you're done. Just be careful and use something that wont ruin the 
pins, like a brass punch. 

Have fun.

Dave B.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:08:30
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

>Also, why do I have the impression that you don't want to run a diesel fuel
>tank empty?  why?

Because the injection pump will suck in air causing the unlucky operator 
untold grief. If air gets in the line, one must bleed it out as one would any 
hydraulic system. This is accomplished by manually operating the fuel pump 
while opening and closing the bleed points(usually in a rather ungraceful 
position). Rover engineers were kind enough to put a blue idiot light on the 
dash so that you would be reminded to fill up.
I can't be called an expert on Rover diesels, but I believe they were 
introduced in the early '60s with the series 2 and pooched out to 2.25l with
the 2A. they share blocks with the petrol, but head is quite different. 
Injector pump(lives where the distributor would) and injectors are by C.A.V.. 
The batteries are 2 6V in series, one in the engine bay where you would 
expect and a second under the driver's butt. The starter motor is awesome in 
its ability to crank the engine for what seems an eternity. 1900 cranking 
amps available.
Diesels have the advantage of being able to operate without a working 
electrical system. They usually roll start in about 3 yards if the hill is 
good. A hand crank came with the truck, but it's about worthless. They get 
way better fuel mileage because the fuel burns completely (consequntly, very 
low emissions) They are kept happy with regular oil changes and clean 
fuel.99.999% of all diesel problems are caused by bad fuel or dirt in the 
line.
In cold conditions, they are somewhat balky. This is overcome by installing 
an engine heater.
Power curve is different from a gas engine. If you don't mind going slow....
Unsurpassed off road. Will start in 30 inches of standing water.
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:17:54 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

On Thu, 11 Jul 96, "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu> wrote:

>>Also, why do I have the impression that you don't want to run a diesel fuel
>>tank empty?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>annoying). That's why the diesel LR's have low fuel warning
>lamps.
But in the interest of general LR diesel priming info, on the more recent (e.g. 
300Tdi) types, the combination of a bleed screw on the top of the filter 
bracket, and the lever on the lift pump, make this pretty painless, e.g. after 
changing the filter. Earlier engines needed pipes to be disconnected. However, 
an empty injection pump (i.e. a thorough bleed) is indeed a pain. But then so is 
running out of air on a dive. Watch the appropriate gauge to avoid a lot of 
unnecessary complications.
BTW the Tdi doesn't have a low fuel warning lamp (at least in the ROW spec from 
LR). Just a bit of history to pass on.
Allan
St. Lucia

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From: SCLROVER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:43:39 -0400
Subject: D90 FS

1994 white/soft top and fiberglass hard top.  3rd car with only 17K miles.
very clean

call Ray Eldridge @  714 458 5212 or 714 458 5252

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:15:21 -0400
From: dashmanc@198.4.75.45 (CarlDashman)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Rich Ruffer wrote:

>CarlDashman wrote:
>> We have heard that the dealers on Long Island
>> are OK.  But here in Northern NJ, our local one is a disaster.  
>Which dealer is it? I've had bad experiences with Paul Miller in Parsippany

but been 
>relatively pleased with LR Paramus (Prestige). Is there a new dealer in
Summit? As for 
>other dealers, LR in Woodbridge is now owned by Paul Miller (I assume the
same lousy 
>service). I've been told by a couple of folks that Schneider & Nelson in W
Long Branch 
>NJ is excellent. I've heard the Zumbach (sp?) in Manahattan is O.K. but
expensive.

You guessed it--it is Paul Miller.  They lied to us before we leased the
vehicle.  "Oh, you will be treated like a treasure by our service department
and us."  Yeah, like a treasure that was buried and lost in the South
Pacific! Once we had the vehicle they didn't know us.  They screwed up the
licence plates even, and we practically had to threaten them with legal
action to straighten it out.  They didn't keep a single promise they made,
even to fix warranty items.  It took 4 months of lies before they replaced
factory defective headrests--when they could have swapped with a floor
model. So I don't dare take it to them for ANYTHING!  But it's great to hear
that Prestige and Zumbach are (relatively) reliable.  Zumbach is actually
easier for us since my wife commutes into NYC.  As for Summit, I've heard
there is a dealer there, but I've never heard the name.  Maybe there isn't
(too bad).  If we were to get another RR, it would not be from Paul Miller.
I just won't do business with them ever again.  I wish LR would strip the
franchise from them, because I know the Audi customers there hate PM as
well.  Can you imagine buying a Rolls or a Bentley from a shop that would
then try to cheat you on the service and is very likely to screw up the
vehicle?  You gotta have a screw loose!

ATB,

Carl.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:23:32 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

Bill wrote:
>Diesels have the advantage of being able to operate without a working 
>electrical system. They usually roll start in about 3 yards if the hill is 
>good. A hand crank came with the truck, but it's about worthless. 
>Hand cranks seem to be worthless these days, and are not(?) provided on many 

vehicles, but a single pull when the battery is dead is a lot easier than 
assembling a team, donor vehicle and cables to achieve the same result, with a 
gas engine. My Niva has one, and I have used it to good advantage. The new 
diesel LRs don't have a crank option and lack is immediately obvious when one 
wants to set valve clearances in the boonies. Operating a spanner on the front 
of the crankshaft puts one in a poor position to monitor the tappet positions.
Allan
St. Lucia

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:07:52 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

> Because the injection pump will suck in air causing the unlucky operator
> untold grief. If air gets in the line, one must bleed it out as one would any
> hydraulic system. 

And those of us who use diesels in a marine application (Perkins 6-354, 
turbo, intercooled, in my case) are especially wary, because one does not 
want to suffer this indignity at the same time as being buffeted by the 
ocean swells.

John

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:47:27 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

looking at the presented specs, it looks like you need a turbo 2.5L diesel
to get more HP than a stock 2-1/4L petrol.

Soooo What are the advantages of Diesel?... other than the smell keeping
tailgaters away.

fuel milage? how much?

In my neck of the woods, diesel fuel is more expensive then petrol.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:16:11 GMT
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>

> Cost of tank cleaning.

 At the shop I took it to, they charged 35 dollars to acid-clean for 24
hours and to completely flush and dry the tank. They would have applied a
sealer inside and painted the outside for 75 dollars total cost.

 Jim Wolf
Portsmouth,VA USA
J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:27:49 +1200
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:32:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Hugh Grierson wrote:

> > In my neck of the woods, diesel fuel is more expensive then petrol.
> Diesel is half the price of petrol here.
> The situation is much the same in Europe.
>.
	In Ottawa, basically the same as low grade petrol.
	Worked out to change the green beastie to diesel, I would save
	about $300 a year with 5,000 miles (2 cylinder wonder that
	it currently is...) a year.  Considering the entry cost, you
	have to drive a lot more than that to make a payback, bt it is
	there...  Of you can have a farm and use it as an ag. vehicle.
	Fuel is cheaper yet...

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:33:29 -0700
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired

You wrote: 
>>Also, why do I have the impression that you don't want to run a 

diesel fuel
>>tank empty?
>True
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>annoying). That's why the diesel LR's have low fuel warning
>lamps.

Is that a particular problem with LR diesels?  I had a VW diesel that 
ran out of fuel several times (fuel gauge didn't have proper warning 
light) and I don't recall any problems in refueling.

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: Land Rover diesel education desired
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:29:43 +0200 (METDST)

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From: "Patrick Fear" <pfear@iafrica.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:51:06 +0200
Subject: What Luck

Hi all,
My partner planned a week holiday up in Rhodes (in the Eastern Cape 
mountains) to look for some snow to play in with his new D90 county. 
This was planned 2 months ago. Up until last friday there had been 
no real snow falls, but then it started, the biggest snow storms in decades!!! 
We get snow in the mountains about 3 to 4 times a winter, so to be 
there when it does snow is pure luck. I guess most of you in the 
northern hemisphere think this is crazy? I was planning a trip there 
this weekend, but the temp predicted for today here in PE is 29deg C, 
so it's summer again.
cheers all.

Patrick.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
pfear@iafrica.com                          85'110 V8  dual fuel & 
Ragcom P.E.(Pty) LTD                                    dual batt. 
Port Elizabeth, South Africa.                         
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
pfear@iafrica.com                          85'110 V8      
Ragcom P.E.(Pty) LTD
Port Elizabeth, South Africa.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: water indicator err! battery lamp
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:56:38 +0200 (METDST)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:51:51 +0200
From: jody@cyberlab.nl (Jody Scharrenborg)
Subject: Re: water indicator err! battery lamp

>battery control light glowed up while I splashed through some
>water.

I had something like that a week ago, just drivin' in the rain to work.
(the warning light flashed a few times but I didn't worry)
When I tried to go home the batery apeared to be dead. I called the WW (a
roadservice for cartrouble) and they checked my circuits. (Their
computerized equipment didn't work on my '55 Landy) The trouble seemed to
be (as always) bad ground on the main cables. Took a minute to fix and
start the engine. It loaded up to 30amps on high RPM. The problem hasn't
shown again but I'm thinking of a complete rewire.

Greetings from "Waterland", Holland
Jody

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