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Subject: Re: Mail problems - you can help!    No.
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:32:21 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

 > I got a call from my company's internet security officer, and he
 > complained that each e-mail that I receive is copied to a ? (area)
 > ecause of "special characters" in the first column.

 > Here's how you can help: PLEASE do not use these characters: > < . -
 > Greater than, less than, period and dash) in the first column of your
 > notes.

I don't abuse people that often any more, but:
	this is about the most stupid request I've ever seen.
	(don't bother to ask again)

either the security officer is clueless or
you guys really need a better mail system.

the line of '-' is a standard reply seperator for digests and will not be
changed (in the old days some of those were standard column 1 pagination
controls !)

If people actually did what you requested, it would also break the digesting
software, and I'm not happy about having to modify that stuff, 'cause it
is more than a bit crufty.

Work on changing your installation, not the rest of the known universe.

Thanks,
 -B

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:26:19 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 109" Sighting

> Of course, now I want a 109 more than ever.  If I get one, will it 
> consume any spare time that I currently have? :>

You are obviously not prepared for the ownership of a series vehicle.  Go 
out and sign up to volunteer 12 hours a week at the charity of your choice. 
 Volunteer to do the newsletter of your favorite club, the bigger the 
better.  Adopt at least 3 children and 2 animals.  (fish do not count.)  
Start a strict daily regimen of 3 hours of excercise followed by 2 of 
meditation.  Take on a second job, preferably one that features lots of 
lifting of heavy objects and crawling around in the dirt.  Mud wrestling 
combined with stump removal would be good.  Donate blood twice a day.  
(Foresis method is preferable, especially if you plan to work on the 
vehicle yourself.)  

Do this for at least 6 months before starting your search for a vehicle, 
and prepare to stop all of it as soon as you complete your purchase, as you 
will no longer have time for any of it.

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 10 Jul 96 12:06:31 MST
Subject: Re: Mail problems - you can help!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
And since I'm "asking the world to conform to ME..." Everyone should
write a shell script to add a space to the 1st column, and ALL
textbooks, manuals, and S/W programs should be modified for ME, and....

A personal account is probably the best answer!

I've been on various lists for the past 2-3 years, only now has he said
anything. I've seen the ">" used throughout this time, it really is
ludicrous to ask the world to change for me, or conform to ONE company's
request... but I had to ask. (By the security officer's request.)

So... now I've asked... Thanks for putting up with this nonsense!!!

Dave...

P.S. He originally said "dots and dashes" but later in the conversation
added ">" and "<" to boot. Maybe "dots and dashes" are the real culprit.

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and wat lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters ompared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph WaldoEmerson

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 14:19:02 -0600
Subject: Re: Mail problems - you can help!    No.

> > I got a call from my company's internet security officer, and he
> > complained that each e-mail that I receive is copied to a ? (area)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> > Greater than, less than, period and dash) in the first column of your
> > notes.
This *is* good. I'm going to save it to share with the
other network administrators on campus. :-)
On the other hand, is gullible me being taken in again.
Could this really be just a spoof from Dixon? It's a pretty
farfetched suggestion.

Tom Rowe
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194   trowe@aae.wisc.edu

	Four wheel drive allows you to get
	stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:20:22 -0700
From: parch@smmff.com (Paul Archibald)

 thanks for all the replys,  I recieved ten in all, right after them I
recieved both the rro and the LRO digests, still haven't recieved anything
from the Mendo-Recce since Kevin Kelly's rusty bolts message on tuesday.
Does no-one on Mendo Recce have anything to say (I'm amazed) or is there
some sort of a problen there still. if so Ben can you re-subscribe me?
Paul
by the way this is getting to the rro through the bcc: line, I didn't know
how else to cc: to more than one.
>    just checking to see if the server went down, I haven't recieved any
>mail since ~8:00 Tuesday >from either Mendo, LRO Digest or Coil Sprung
>Owner Digest.
>If any of these are working, could someone send me e-mail to let me know
>so I can start to figure >out what is going on.

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre
"87 Range-Rover-156,000 miles-going strong (Squeak)  

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Mail problems - you can help!

On 10 Jul 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> I've been on various lists for the past 2-3 years, only now has he said
> anything. I've seen the ">" used throughout this time, it really is
> ludicrous to ask the world to change for me, or conform to ONE company's
> request... but I had to ask. (By the security officer's request.)

	Ahhh, the use of the ">" character in the leftmost column to
	denote quoted text goes back well over a decade.  If your
	software barfs at this, it is either incredibly ancient and
	needs immediate replacement to bring it into the 1970's, or
	if more recent needs to be erased and replaced with something
	real since it is an utter piece of garbage and waste of disc 
	space.
	
> P.S. He originally said "dots and dashes" but later in the conversation
> added ">" and "<" to boot. Maybe "dots and dashes" are the real culprit.

	Dashes have been used by software packages (digesters, .sig lines 
	apears in column 1 in uuencoded messages with all your naughty
	symbols,  etc.) for many, many years too.

	If your software set-up is having problems with these characters
	in the leftmost column, all I can say it that your installation
	is going to have a real fun time dealing with traffic from the
	Internet, or gated traffic from a host of other networks.  Put
	it this way.  Scrapping your entire software and hardware 
	infrastucture costs pennies in relation to the cost of people
	adapting software to try and make your security officer happy.

	While you are at it, replace the security officer for making such
	an utterly dumb suggestion.  It demonstates a clear lack of 
	understanding about the environment inwhich he is working.

	This message is framable, or at least is going to be going places.
	Know a lot of people that will get one hell of a chuckle from it.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:28:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Mail problems - you can help! No.

On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> This *is* good. I'm going to save it to share with the
> other network administrators on campus. :-)

	You should see the cc list across the Government of Canada network
	people on this one... hee hee hee.... :-)

> On the other hand, is gullible me being taken in again.
> Could this really be just a spoof from Dixon? It's a pretty
> farfetched suggestion.

	I gotta admit I never thought of this one <damn, damn, damn>,
	but if I had...  :-)  ROFL!

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Date: 10 Jul 96 15:25:21 EDT
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Chicago Land Rover Club

Yes, there is a newly formed LR Club in the Chicago Area and yes we are having a
picnic in Hinsdale, Sunday,July 14, 12 to 6 pm.  To help defray costs, $8 per
adult, $4 per child under 12 years, and bring a food dish to pass. L-R's on
display, prizes, swimming, raffles, tire kicking, stories/lies, food, etc.
Please RSVP 708-986-1018 (H), 708-852-6898 (W), or E-Mail.

Bill Kowalski,  '67 109" IIA SW 

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:44:56 +0200
From: D Jordan <djordan@neptune.dbn.lia.net>
Subject: Mark Kraieski's accident

Hi there Mark - you are probably sick of people saying it could have been
worse etc etc.   Just to let you know I understand the feeling, as I rolled
our 110 in Zambia nearly two years ago  swerving to avoid a particularly
horrible pothole in the road.   In correcting to avoid going off the road, I
nearly ran over people standing on the opposite side, and so corrected again
and in the process over she went, 360 degrees ending up with back wheels in
a ditch, writing off our roof top tent, stainless steel roof rack, side
awning squashing the roof nearly flat smashing all the glass etc.    Not a
pretty picture.   We got out of it alive and hurt but walking.    The local
doctor who arrived at the scene informed us that we wouldn't want to go to
the local hospital "as the standard of nursing care is not good".
Fortunately the motor was fine and after lying up for 8 days we managed to
get the roof propped up on a metal rod and without a windscreen, lights,
indicators and a few other things drove on to Zimbabwe (Victoria Falls)
where we rested up again, before hitching up our caravan (trailer I think
you call it in the States) which we had left there, and then driving in that
condition ever so slowly back home to Durban on the east coast of South
Africa.    We made a pretty picture I can assure you.  

Our precious landy is still in our garage being fixed by my husband who has
learnt in the process how to panelbeat and weld aluminium.   Having stripped
the vehicle to its chassis everything possible has been rustproofed and by
the time he has finished, it will probably be a most sought after vehicle.
He is not a trained mechanic or artisan, but simply a practical chap who is
able to apply his mind to the problems and respond to the challenge.   As
our insurance cover was not valid for Zambia, we weren't covered so this is
the only way things can be done.   Incidentally to add insult to injury, the
trip through Zambia was a "short cut" from Lake Kariba back to Victoria
Falls going on the "tar" rather than on some very corrugated dirt road on
the Zimbabwe side.

The consensus of opinion from experienced drivers, in which category I do
not include myself, is that power steering and coil springs make it
relatively easy to roll a Land Rover.    But it is still a great vehicle for
travelling in Africa.    But I guess I won't be offering to spell my husband
again.   

Regards all
Denese Jordan

PS   If you are interested in his reaction, no he didn't kill me afterwards.
In fact he was remarkably nice about it.    May be we were both just too
grateful to come out of that alive.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:16:31 -0700
From: Bruce.Curtis@sun.com (Bruce Curtis)
Subject: Land-Rover.Team.Net mail outage for 10-Jul-96

The host for Land-Rover.Team.Net was hacked on 10-Jul-96 at 00:34am PST
such that there where almost no valid user home directories and the node
name was "whitehouse.gov". This resulted in the system being not very
useful. Imagine my supprise when i got a mail message that started as:

>From majordom@whitehouse.gov  Wed Jul 10 13:48:54 1996
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:46:34 -0700
From: majordom@whitehouse.gov (Majordomo)
Subject: 	majordomo activity for last day

-------
<snip>

As of 1:30pm PST things have been restored, the Major now knows where he
is, and things appear to be working, but be advised until we fix the hole
that the rat came through this can happen again (the rat has been traced
to his nest and the exterminators have been called, but until we fix the
hole another may get in).

Later, Bruce.
'95 Disco
--
Bruce W. Curtis                     brutus@Eng.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Internet Engineering       http://www.badrc.org/~brutus
2550 Garcia Ave, MS MPK17-202       (415)786-5147
Mountain View, CA 94043-1100        FAX:(415)786-5896

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:48:34 GMT
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Petrol Tank

<Question: 109 s/w leaking fuel tank.

  First, it's not safe to fill the tank with water and work on it. Take it
to a radiator shop and have them "cook" it over night. This tank is actually
two seperate parts: one is the tank and two is the support cum skid plate.
On mine (1966 SIIA s/w) the bottom of the tank rusted-out and was leaking
from the side and around the drain plug area. I took the tank apart and
while wire brushing found "all" the holes. I took it to the welders and they
used the old tank and some parts (i.e. the filler pipe,etc.) and made a new
tank and welded the support cum skid plate back on. It has been working fine
for about 13 years. Maybe these new gas tank sealers that are advertised in
Hemmings Motor News would also seal the tank part. But,if they don't, it's
very hard to remove them to effect welding repairs. 

 Jim Wolf
Portrsmouth,Va. USA
J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:48:34 GMT
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Frame replacement from David Bothe

> Question: Does pick-up frame match s/w body?

  Mostly yes. You will have to move some body fastening points on outriggers
and body supports on frame (p/u) are too high, they have to be lowered. This
is what I had to do with my frame change on my SIIA 109 s/w to military one
ton frame. The rear gas tank fitting points were OK for the fuel tank.
  Jim Wolf
  Portsmouth, Va. USA
J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Ford Explorer
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:09:23 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey!

Last week, a lone Ford Explorer snuck onto the newly-operational test =
track at Land Rover Peabody (our sister dealership to LRMW here in MA) =
while they were closing up for the night.

It made it over the first hill. Got wheels off the ground on the second =
hill with sidehill at about 33 degrees.

The driver tried to get out of his door. Couldn't. Why? Chassis flex was =
so severe (C-section frame) that the DOOR COULDN'T OPEN!!!

Even w/dealer personnel, no forward progress.

In desperation, they managed to back him down.

But not before he hung up and tore off the exhaust!!!

Wow....

cheers
Jim - better living through mud!

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`68 2A 109 ??? ???? ???????
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 NAS D110 (#457/500)
`95 NAS D90 #1958
`96 Disco SE7(M)

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From: 	Steve MARGOLIS[SMTP:sim1@cornell.edu]
Sent: 	Tuesday, July 09, 1996 6:38 PM
Subject: 	Re: LRNA Press Announcement (fwd)

Thanks Dixon, for cross posting the press announcement of the new=3D
 demonstration course at LRNA headquarters.  I did a little poking about =
and=3D
 the address of the announcemnt is at =
<http://www.landrover.com/news/news.ht=3D
ml> complete with a few pictures and the URL's of two related =
announcements:=3D
 one about the wildlife species at the demonstration course, and the =
other=3D
 about the designer, John Cummings.

Steve Margolis
Ithaca, NY

1957 107 Station Wagon, Series I, Still in kit form in Maine (Damn!)
        serial number 13470093 engine number 114707468

------ =_NextPart_000_01BB6E9F.DAE33780

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 01:00:46 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: 1992 RR for sale

FOR SALE 

1992 RR County , Grey / Grey leather interior, CD Player all extras etc. 
104,000 miles

Asking $17,000 

Call 603-357-3401  

Vehicle is in Southern NH 

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From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net>
Subject: Interesting Sighting
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:49:57 -0700

	I saw a Camel Trophy Defender 110, at about 3:30 this afternoon, going =
east on Interstate 80, about 15 miles west of Reno NV on the California =
side . It had all the lights, gas cans, and Camel Trophy plates all over =
like it was going on expedition. ( I guess if you have one you should =
have all the stuff on it?) Well I was going the other way in my MB 280GE =
which at a distance looks a lot like a D110 so I flashed my lights, =
(kind of a natural reaction when I see a Land Rover) and he waved back =
like a true Land Rover Owner would even though I was not driving one of =
mine.

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David Mercer
PO BOX 2570
Olympic Valley CA 96146
ph  916-583-4150
fax 916-583-4829
merkin@sierra.net
53 S1 80"
57 S1 107" SW, FOR SALE
63 SII 88"
65 SII 88", FOR SALE
66 SII 88"
86 MB 280GE

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From: Landy88@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:42:10 -0400
Subject: New Chassis

Well, it seems that my Rover will be needing a new chassis before long.  I
just replaced it two years ago, but that was when I lived in Georgia and had
no hesitation with putting in a 67 SerIIa chassis (my driver needing the
chassis is a 72 SerIII).  Living through two Massachusetts winters has
brought about a bit of oxidation.

So my question is this.....is the coil spring conversion really worth it?  I
am quite happy with my Landy now...except I would like a bit more height and
controllably softer ride.  Mass roads will beat a body to death with stock
shocks.

My first problem is that I have 15" wheels with 30x9.50 tyres.  Will going to
16" wheels and 33" tyres affect much?  I could also use the extra road speed.
 My second is stock shocks.  Has anyone tried Ranch 9000 shocks on a Series?
 I have ridden in a D90 with these and was quite impressed.  No height
advantage, but you can go from Caddy suspension to brick truck suspension
with the press of a button.

I am a touch purist, so the coil conversion sort of turns me off (plus the
$6500 cost). But I would be willing since the new stuff is still mostly LR.
 With the Ranchos I could get the softer ride, and with the taller tyres I
could get the clearance.  (How large can I safely go with tyres?)

BTW, Downeast was great.  Sorry if I didn't get a chance to meet you.  I was
the guy in the Poppy Red Series III 88' with soft top and early D110 fender
flares (had to put them on in NC to cover the slightly wider rock climbers).
 If you were there and subscribe, describe your vehicle so I can put your
name with you vehicle.

Charles Cooper                                                   SerIII 88
 Daily Driver
LenoxDale MA                                                     SerIIa88
 Future Mud Champion

                                                                    Ashamedly
Too Many MGs

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:57:30 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: extra head sIII,FS

George S. Szydlowski wrote:
> parts are located in Farmington, Connecticut

I could use a fuel cap.

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:27:43 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Petrol Tank

James Wolf wrote:
> <Question: 109 s/w leaking fuel tank.
>   First, it's not safe to fill the tank with water and work on it. Take it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> Portrsmouth,Va. USA
> J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net

If you don't mind my asking, how much did this cost you?

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:50:46 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Recent foreign LR sightings

Allan Smith wrote:
> Dear all,
> LR sightings take up a fair bit of my time wherever I go. Belize a few months
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> ago was rewarding - a yellow Camel 110 ouside the hotel on day one was hard to
> beat. I am scheming about how I can get to Belize.  I've wanted to go there 
since it was British Honduras.  If I ever get to retire, it sounds like a 
relatively inexpensive place to live in the tropics, and it might even be 
possible to establish residency there and bring a diesel 90 back to the 
US for visits.  (Just another of my crazy ideas!)  Last weekend the 
fantasy came a little closer to reality, when we were talking with a 
couple that we sometimes travel with and began to hatch a trip to Belize.

>A few of you have responded to the St. Kitts and St. Croix postings.
> Now come 2 more foreign reports.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> The last week in June was spent in Panama City at the International Coral Reef
> Simposium. Does this mean you share my profession of marine biology?  Maybe you know 
Esther Peters?

Out of a total of about 8 hours of taxi time I saw many (6)
> Discoverys, 2 RRs, but only 1 D90.
> 2. USA
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Allan Smith
> St. Lucia

My Carribean geography is pretty feeble - have you been affected by 
Bertha?  I'm keeping a close eye on the forecast, as it seems possible 
that we may receive a visit this weekend.  ARRRRGH!!  It just occurred to 
me that my recon engine is on a ship scheduled to arrive in Boston on the 
17th, and there's a hurricane churning up the Atlantic.  

John

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:20:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb Woes

I rebuilt the carb on my '73 Ser III 2.25l engine when I restored the truck
some 3000 miles ago.  Soon after getting it running I had problems with the
engine flooding and stalling on inclines.  That was fixed by taking the carb
back off and apart and sanding the mating surfaces (the joint faces) flat.
 It ran great for many months, but today the truck would not idle, backfired
loudly through the exhaust on decel, and in general gave symptoms of running
too rich again.   Off came the carb again and again the top cover was warped.
 A .005 in. (or .13mm) feeler gauge would slide around beneath my straight
edge.  I got out the glass plate and sandpaper and milled it flat and tonight
the truck runs well again.  But, what happens in another few thousand miles?.
 Would a new carb top or a new carb be a permanent fix.  Are replacement
parts any better heat treated, if that's the problem?
What to do?
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia, USA

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 22:31:10 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Zenith Carb Woes

>>>I rebuilt the carb on my '73 Ser III 2.25l engine when I restored the truck
some 3000 miles ago.  Soon after getting it running I had problems with the
engine flooding and stalling on inclines.  ...snip....
  Off came the carb again and again the top cover was warped.
 A .005 in. (or .13mm) feeler gauge would slide around beneath my straight
edge.  I got out the glass plate and sandpaper and milled it flat..snip...

I think the chaps over at British Pacific have this problem sussed, give 'em a 
call at 1 800 554 4133 or email'em at Britpac@aol.com

Hope you get it sorted out

Dave

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Date: 10 Jul 96 22:30:13 EDT
From: Antonios Hadjigeorgali <75051.2034@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: subscribe lro 75051.2034@compuserve.com

subscribe lro 75051.2034@compuserve.com

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:42:12 -0700
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Oil pressure light sender/galv frames/lurchers

Is the oil pressure light sender something you can
fix/adjust or is it a straight replacement?  Mine now
seems to be on even when the oil pressure is happily
at 60psi (and oil happily drooling everywhere when
you take the valve cover off)

When a frame is galvanized, does the inside get
galvanized as well?

Any lurcher owners out there?

CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:52:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure light sender/galv frames/lurchers

On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Clinton D. Coates wrote:

> When a frame is galvanized, does the inside get
> galvanized as well?

	Galvanising is a process whereby the frame is dipped in a 
	rather hot bath of zinc etc.  Being a fluid, it will definately
	coat the inside of the frame...
	

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:04:11 -0800
From: bronson@diamondmm.com (Scott Bronson)
Subject: Re: Interesting Sighting

>65 SII 88", FOR SALE

I'm probably in the market for an SII/SIIa.  I'm looking for a reasonably
together (but not immaculate) Landie.  I can't use a pickup though.  How
much are you asking, and what condition is it in?  Thanks!

        - Scott

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:29:35 -0400
From: Richard Ruffer <rruffer@interserv.com>
Subject: Re: Northern NJ LR Dealers

CarlDashman wrote:
> We have heard that the dealers on Long Island
> are OK.  But here in Northern NJ, our local one is a disaster.  

Which dealer is it? I've had bad experiences with Paul Miller in Parsippany but been 
relatively pleased with LR Paramus (Prestige). Is there a new dealer in Summit? As for 
other dealers, LR in Woodbridge is now owned by Paul Miller (I assume the same lousy 
service). I've been told by a couple of folks that Schneider & Nelson in W Long Branch 
NJ is excellent. I've heard the Zumbach (sp?) in Manahattan is O.K. but expensive.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634

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From: Rick.Crider@trellis.net
Date: 11 Jul 1996 01:00:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Interesting Sighting

LA>>65 SII 88", FOR SALE
LA>I'm probably in the market for an SII/SIIa.  I'm looking for a reasonably
LA>together (but not immaculate) Landie.  I can't use a pickup though.  How
LA>much are you asking, and what condition is it in?  Thanks!

LA>        - Scott

Will the "Scott" that posted this inquiry please email me direct or
post your email address here........I will send you a file on the
Rover.    My mail server (for some odd reason) doesn't show
headers....and thus shows all list mail as coming from
LRO@land-rover.team.net.   If a person doesn't include their email
address in the text or sig,  I can't tell who it's from.   Very
frustrating.   Thanks.

Cordially:
Rick Crider
rick.crider@trellis.net
Monroe NC
'65 Slla 88"   ......'Virgil'......and for sale....$2500....
'73 Slll  88"   ......'Jesse'......too nice for its purpose......
'88 Range Rover  .......the daily mule........

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From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 07:06:33 +0000
Subject: Re: Running hot, black exhaust, oil

Hi richard,
A rich engine usually cools the engine due to the excess petrol, so I 
would think that the black exhaust would be due to the burnt oil.

Your father might also be commenting about the 'old' leaded fuel days 
when you could check the mixure by looking at the colour of the lead 
deposits in the exahst.
 I know the here in the netherlands it's getting more and more 
difficult to find leaded fuel, and using unleaded doesn't give as much 
colour difference especially when the engine consumes oil. (mine 
nearly uses more oil than petrol!).

About running warm: check to see if you're not running to lean, but 
more likely check your ignition timing, especially the points for 
pitting.
Good luck and greetings from tulip country,
floris houniet
Houniet@xs4all.nl

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 02:18:59 +0000
From: John Cassidy IV <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: Motor-Trend Classifieds

Stopped by Motor Trend magazine's web site  and they have a classified 
section.  A search for Land Rovers turned up 10 hits.  These ranged from 
Range Rovers to  a Dormobile!  At it to your web classified list!  

Cheers!  John

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Running hot, black exhaust, oil
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 9:27:18 BST

> Hi richard,

Hi houniet!

> A rich engine usually cools the engine due to the excess petrol, so I 
> would think that the black exhaust would be due to the burnt oil.

Could be. I get the usual blue smoke on startup. Also, with the overheating,
I think I'm getting more blue smoke than usual.  (more oil seepage
around the rings, is the theory)

 
> Your father might also be commenting about the 'old' leaded fuel days 
> when you could check the mixure by looking at the colour of the lead 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> colour difference especially when the engine consumes oil. (mine 
> nearly uses more oil than petrol!).

I'm still running on British 4 Star. I thought most Series Land Rovers
were still leaded or diesel. I understand unleaded head conversions are
available though...
Over here, the three main types (ie. available at all garages) are Diesel,
Unleaded, and 4 Star. 2 Star
(a leaner leaded petrol) has disappeared totally, and (virtually?) every new
petrol car uses the unleaded. If I needed a new head, I'd probably go
for an unleaded head. Saves a little bit on fuel prices (unleaded tax is
less) and a tad greener (not that it makes much difference with
the oil consumption!)

 
> About running warm: check to see if you're not running to lean, but 
> more likely check your ignition timing, especially the points for 
> pitting.

Running warm is almost certainly a cooling problem. The radiator is being 
replaced as I type (my father's having fun!). If not, then perhaps I really
am running warm.
I recently had my ht electrics civilianised - ie. the points have only done
about 400 miles, so I hope they're not pitted already.
I am missing occasionally when idling, although I do have the hand throttle
set very low. Is it possible to set this too low?
I used to have it set higher, because it would cut out, but now the electrics
are sorted, I've put it down.

I was thinking of having it checked by one of these computer tune people.
See if that can find my faults. Carburettor might need cleaning too??
Oh, and while we're at it, the engine almost invariably cut outs with a cold
start. Usually, as soon as I put my foot on the accel. A second restart is
usually good enough - unless I've knocked the tank-changeover-switch!  :-)

Richard

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:47:29 +0200
From: jody@cyberlab.nl (Jody Scharrenborg)
Subject: Re: Running hot, black exhaust, oil

>> Hi richard,
>Hi houniet!

>I'm still running on British 4 Star. I thought most Series Land Rovers
>were still leaded or diesel. I understand unleaded head conversions are
>available though...

My series1 2.25 petrol is running great on both unleaded (octane 98) and
LPG autogas.
The only conversion I have are hardened valves and seats.
On the road I use gas, off road and when more power is needed I switch to
petrol.
It saves me a lot of money since I drive ~1200 km each month.
I use about 1 liter on 6 km, (gas or petrol), and 1 liter of oil on 300 km.

greetings
Jody.

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