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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:15:25 -0400 (EST)
From: Ned Heite <eheite@overlord.dmv.com>
Subject: subscribe

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:22:24 +0200
From: logical@icon.co.za (Paul Damhuis)
Subject: hesitation

>I will often have to let up on the accelerator to get rid of the hesitation.

Check the carburettor, it is possible that the linkage that operates the
enrichment system when the carburettor is opened, is not working.

Paul

Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow the sky may fall on our heads.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 08:11:19 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Perkins Head Job

There's a local chap here in VA that has a SIIa 88 with a Perkins Diesel. 
Apparently he neads a new cylinder head. He brought it to Arlington Motor Works 
Rip-Off Centre and they wanted to charge him for ten hours labor@ $50US/hr. Just
to put the new head on and the manifolds, etc. I thought that sounded 
unreasonable and so offered to help him do it in my driveway, for beer money. Is
there anything particular about replacing the head on a deiesl as opposed to 
petrol. Also is there a specific bolt tightening sequence for the Perkins, and 
what is the torque setting. There aren't many of these things over here...

Thanks!
Dave B
Arlington VA
dbobeck@ushmm.org

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 08:12:19
From: "George S. Szydlowski" <GeorgeEsq@gnn.com>
Subject: Re: extra head sIII,FS

parts are located in Farmington, Connecticut

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:24:26 -500
Subject: sighting

On July 4th, at aprox. 10:30 AM, I saw a marine blue SIIA 109 SW 
pulling a 10 or 12 ft. flat bed trailer going south on Rt. 76 (Powhite Parkway) 
SW of Richmond, VA. 
Anyone on the list ?? 
(nice looking truck ! And what do you put on the trailer ?)
John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA"
'89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig)

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 08:18:18 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: ISO 9000

There is a body for the auditors, the NACCB, but membership is
voluntary.

For anybody thinking of using my ISO9000 services, you should be
away that I am not a member of the NACCB :-)

Cheers, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:08:56 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Perkins Head Job

there anything particular about replacing the head on a deiesl as opposed to
petrol. Also is there a specific bolt tightening sequence for the Perkins, and
what is the torque setting. There aren't many of these things over here...
>Thanks!
>Dave B
>Arlington VA
>dbobeck@ushmm.org

No big deal,really.The torque settings are a lot higher(though for the
Perkins I dont know how *much* higher).
As for tightening order,I dont think you'll go far wrong if you start
with the middle bolt on one side,do its mate on the other,then the next
one down on the original side,then the next one *up* on the far side,and
so on.Sort of like smoothing wallpaper on starting in the centre of the
sheet:-).Standard Operating Practice.
I suppose lacking better info you could use the torque figures for the
2.25 diesel.....
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 14:38:21 -0700
From: "Kim Lewis ( Phil the Bear )" <lewis@celtic.co.uk>
Subject: Carb Prob / Canvas bits missing ?

Hi !

Can anybody help, in last throes of desparantion,my lightweight which has
been well behaved untill now has all of a sudden decided to dig her heels in.
Eerytime I stop so does the engine, when I'm running down hill with no
accelerator ( Engine running ) it seems to hold back (jerking )( In other
words being a right bitch )I've cleaned the carb (Weber), tried adjusting the
mixture and everything else I can think of all to no avail other than
swapping the carb I'm at my wits end.

Whilst driving around Devon last week I happened upon a garage with a very,
very nice man who sold me a canvas,hoops,tailgate,the funny hook things that
go on top of the windscreen and all the other assorted pieces at a very, very
reasonable price. Once home, with utmost haste off came the hardtop and on
with the canvas,after 3 cups coffee and 10 Jammy Dodgers it looked great the 
only problem is there's a gap that runs down between the back of the door and 
the canvas, I think there must be a peice missing can anybody help me ?.If 
not I've got to go out and buy a scarf.
--
Kim ( alias Phil the Bear )A very untechnical person.

1974 Lightweight 2.25ltr petrol

-- 
Kim ( alias Phil the Bear )

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:31:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Thanks!

On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Mike Smith wrote:

> great time, hope you all did as well. The day was great, highlights
> included 2 101FC's, SIII Lightwieght, SIIA 109 FC, and lots of others, from

	You missed a second lightweight that was there.  

	I think one of the more intersting aspects of the Downeast Rally 
	is the huge numbers (by NA standards of course) of Land Rovers in
	one place.  Generally, unless you go to one of the other LR
	rallies, or British car shows, in NA, you will never see more than 
	a dozen land rovers in one place.  You get the idea that Joe's light 
	green Series III is pretty unique, there not being any other Series
	III's in the area.  Then you arrive at the Downeast and see ten of
	them sitting together (kind of like the four yellow D90's sitting
	together, and then going off-road together on Saturday).  Gives you
	a whole different outlook.  I hope the format remains the same
	for next year, but larger of course...  :-)  

	Ya did a good job Mike...  (Of course, we expect you at Silver Lake
	next year!)

> SI 80 inch to the new RR. In all we had 135 Rovers on the grounds, this was
> at my lunch time count. Thanks again for making our Off Road Day a success,
> and with all of you being such great guests!

	Saturday was quite good.  The off-road course was challenging for many
	people, the meal was excellent, an all round very enjoyable day.

>         The DownEast rally on Sunday had 157 Rovers on the grounds at the
> lunchtimne count, so Jeff Aronson told me. That was a great day as well.

	Another ten arrived shortly after that.  With stuff coming and going
	as it did, I guess that the off-road day probably got closer to
	150 and the show at the museum closer to the magic 200 number.
	I saw vehicles coming and going all afterneen, and there were
	more parked outside the fence who didn't know to drive in.  One count
	at about 1:30 came up with 169 on the field.

>         I look forward to seeing you all next year, as we take the Off Road
> Day to its next level, at a new larger venue, with even more fun and some
> major changes in store for you!!!!!! More on next year later...

	Look forward to it.  Maybe I'll have the green beastie in a form that
	could make it there (lunched the engine coming out of Ottawa, don't
	thing there is a part number for oval pistons...)

>         Hope you all had fun, and for those who missed it, start planning
> for next year!

	July 4th weekend again?  :-)

	Rgds,

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Wheel bearings
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:42:59 BST

 
> I would agree that your bearings might be shot. Is the sound similar to a
> squishy squealy sound? I heard that noise about 2 weeks ago and shortly

No, it wasn't a squishy sound. The noise which caused me to pull over,
was definitely the wheel being loose. It sounded as if I was going over
regular bumps in the road - which it could have been at first, although only
on one wheel.
When I tightened the nuts up (they were loose enough for the wheel to
wobble), the noise disappeared.

> thereafter lost my brakes which was caused by my left rear wheel and axle
> departing from the spindle. My wheel and axle were sticking out about half
> a meter.

I'll listen for squishy noises... 

> Luckily I was on a rural dirt road and our farm was close by.
> Replacing bearings are not too big of a job. The key is to take care of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> them after they are replaced. I learned this the hard way.
> FWH's are a good idea also...

Yep, I'm thinking of having a weekend, sorting this problem, whatever it
is (if it is a problem!?), replace all the gaskets on my other front wheel
hub (seeps quite a bit of oil), and fit FWHs...

The truck is currently 200 miles away, but the full symptoms are:

Strange noise (see above), stop, tighten front left wheel up. On leaving the
motorway,
I notice that the steering is particularly stiff when turning to the left.
I'd noticed stiff steering to the left earlier in the week (checked for
twisted brake hoses). Later driving suggests that this stiffness varies.

Following morning, jacked the front up, so that both wheels are free.
Tried turning steering wheel - all seems okay. Ie. suggests I don't have
a steering problem.
Checked tyre pressures. The guilty wheel is losing a little air, but we're
talking 2-3 psi loss.

A bearing problem, tyre pressures, and possibly steering are the only
suggestions I've heard from
*anyone* so far. Any other ideas, anyone?? I want to catch this one, before
I lose a wheel!

cheers,

Richard

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:55:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: sighting

	I saw a red 88" series II or IIA with white hard top (didn't get 
to see the front) had washington plates and was in the Tollgate 
subdivision outside Sisters, Oregon over the Fourth of July weekend.

Michael Roberts
Portland (Vernonia), Oregon

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:03:43 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: 109" Sighting

Hey!
        I _always_ wave at Rovers from my Disco.  Even the cars.  Some of us
only bought Discos because our wives wouldn't let us buy a car w/ out four
shoulder harnesses (kids, you know).

C

At 02:53 PM 7/8/96 EST, you wrote:
>Doug says:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Sorry I didn't see you. It figures all the D90s, 110s (1), Disco(e)s, and 
>Rangies I saw, none of them waved back. The one that does wave I don't even
see.
>Oh well.
>Dave "Were your arms flailing out the window?" B.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 11:27:59 -0500
From: Paul Hanson <"HANSONPA@"@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: For Sale: RR

Owner-LRO-Digest@Land-Rover.Team.N 
My dentist wants to sell his 1988 RR.  He and I were talking about my 
latest discovery of the "LandRover Daily Digest" and he asked if I might 
place an ad for his veh.  So, here it is:

1988 RR Auto. cloth seats. sun roof . stereo.  brush bars. fogs. 
82k miles. bronze color. etc. $10k. Call Roman at 414-423-9029. 
Milwaukee area. Roman never allowed anyone to even eat or drink in this 
car!!!!
	Good luck!
	Paul Hanson

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:46:35 -0700
From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: Valve seals replaced, No More Blue Smoke!

I replaced the valve seals this weekend and now the '74 runs clean. 
The old ones were not cracked, but didn't look like they fit 
properly. They probably were aftermarket parts. 	
The rope trick worked well, but it takes about 5' of 1/2" rope
to fill the cylinder. Also, the sping compresser was useless as the 
spring were double (i.e a smaller spring inside the larger one).
Are these standard?  The FAQs on the Rover-Web seem to indicate
that the SIII came with a 8:1 engine. Is this standard, or was it 
just an option on the sIII? 

Dave "this space for rent" Bobeck did get the correct answer to
the techie-quiz, although a little late.
I would mail you the Ale, but since it is "homebrew" I might
accidently become the next "Unibomber".  
You'll have to stop by  Vancouver, BC for that pint. Bring the LR
as there's lots of good trails in the mountains. 

G.

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:49:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Perkins Head Job

     Just a small Question as I ,like an idiot deleted the original post
(Burn before reading), WHY do you need to work on the Perkins cyl head?
   Ps. there are hundreds of them in boats around here happily leaking oil.
and I can get you the specs for the marine version if that would be useful.
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:52:19 -0400
Subject: Land Rover Club of Chicago

Yes there is a new group in Chicago and I joined...is anybody on this list a
member and are you going the picnic in Hinsdale?? If you live in the West
Suburbs of Chgo and have a rover email me so we can compare notes.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 13:07:00 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Valve seals replaced, No More Blue Smoke!

>>>I replaced the valve seals this weekend and now the '74 runs clean. 
The old ones were not cracked, but didn't look like they fit 
properly. They probably were aftermarket parts. 

Exhaust and intake are different size where the stem passes thru, could have 
been switched. Also they wear and get larger, or like mine, turn hard and stop 
sealing or just break. Exhaust seals tend to get hot and get eaten up around the
stem
 
>>>> Also, the sping compresser was useless as the 
spring were double (i.e a smaller spring inside the larger one).
Are these standard?  

Mine had the double springs, I used a normal "head still on the engine" type of 
compressor, it was a pain, but it was just able to grab the inside spring. I had
to use a hammer and a box-end wrench to knock the spring cup away from the 
keepers.

>>>>Dave "this space for rent" Bobeck did get the correct answer to
the techie-quiz, although a little late.
I would mail you the Ale, but since it is "homebrew" I might
accidently become the next "Unibomber".  
You'll have to stop by  Vancouver, BC for that pint. Bring the LR
as there's lots of good trails in the mountains. 

Oh well, you can just send cash...:-)

Dave "Give me a LR diesel and I'll drive anywhere" B.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 13:18:48 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: 109" Sighting

>>>Hey!
        I _always_ wave at Rovers from my Disco.  Even the cars. 

I wasn't ragging on Disco/RR/90/110 owners, just saying that all of the ones I 
waved to didn't wave back...

Dave "Did I strike a nerve? :-)" B.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 13:21:13 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Perkins Head Job

>>>>>>>>>     Just a small Question as I ,like an idiot deleted the original 
post
(Burn before reading), WHY do you need to work on the Perkins cyl head?
   Ps. there are hundreds of them in boats around here happily leaking oil.
and I can get you the specs for the marine version if that would be useful.
Rgds Quintin Aspin

Actually a local fellow here needs it and his car is sitting at Arlington Motor 
Works (!)(I don't like them very much, to say the least) with the old (cracked) 
head already off. They're talking ten hours 
labor to bolt on a new, already assembled head. I told him to run as fast as he 
can and never go back. He asked me if I knew of any reputabl LR mechanics, and 
of course my answer was DO IT YOURSELF! So I'm going to teach myself and him how
to do it, and save the guy some cash. He bought the truck from BRitish Bulldog 
who have kindly paid for a new head and gaskets. Any help will be appreciated, 
Tom Rowe has offered to fax me the pages of the Perkins manual. Don't know much 
about this motor so I don't know if theres a difference btwixt the regular and 
marine head...

Cheers
Dave "Glad you made it back" B.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: LRNA Press Announcement (fwd)

	Wonder if this is open to visiting Series vehicles?  :-)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 13:47:47 EST
From: Michael Lenaghan <lenagham@bachman.com>
Subject: LRNA Press Announcement

     LAND ROVER DEDICATES UNIQUE DEMONSTRATION COURSE
     
     July 9, 1996, 9:08 AM EDT
     
     'Black diamond' features challenge even the most skilled drivers 
     
     LANHAM, Md., July 9 /PRNewswire/ -- The Land Rover Demonstration  
Course at Lanham  Creek was dedicated today in ceremonies at Land Rover 
North America's national headquarters in Lanham, Maryland, just outside  
the District of Columbia. It is the first phase of a new $10 million 
installation and will be joined by a 60,000 square foot office complex 
now under construction and a campus for Land Rover University, which 
will have its own off-road training course. 
     
     Parris N. Glendening, Governor of Maryland, and Wayne K. Curry, County 
     Executive for Prince
     George's County, participated, unveiling a bronze plaque appropriately 
     affixed to a four-ton,
     quarried Genesis rock from White Hall, Maryland. 
     
     In his prepared remarks, Governor Glendening said, "Land Rover North 
     America's new
     demonstration course is a part of an exciting expansion project by the 
     company that will create
     good-paying, family-supporting jobs while also boosting Maryland's 
     reputation as a business-friendly
     state. We appreciate Land Rover's commitment to Maryland, as evidenced 
     by this impressive and
     exciting demonstration course and the company's planned new 
     headquarters and training facility." 
     
     The estimated 300 people attending had the opportunity to ride over 
     the course, driven by ten
     veterans of Camel Trophy, the annual off-road adventure known as the 
     "Olympics of four-wheel
     drive." Three of the challenges the route presents have been accorded 
     "black diamond" status and
     can be navigated only by the most experienced off-pavement experts. 
     Emphasis is placed on the
     need to maintain proper speeds, ranging from a crawl to five mph, for 
     each section. 
     
     Designed and built by John Cummings of Outside Associates, Houston, 
     whose credentials include
     the landscaping of many areas of EuroDisney, the course, set on a 
     six-acre site, is both visually
     spectacular and environmentally sensitive to its protected wetlands 
     status. 
     
     Charles R. Hughes, president, Land Rover North America, said, "We are 
     proud that John
     Cummings created this course, which is a rare blending of art and 
     engineering and perfectly affords
     dramatic demonstrations of the unmatched capabilities of Land Rover 
     vehicles. We are also pleased
     to be the only sport utility manufacturer in the U.S. to have such a 
     dramatic course on the site of its
     national headquarters." 
     
          A trip on the Land Rover Demonstration Course at Lanham Creek
     
     The demonstration course boasts more than a dozen specially-designed 
     areas to showcase the
     capabilities of the British-built Range Rover, Discovery and Defender 
     90. Total driving length of the
     course is 1,729 feet, plus 245 feet of "expert only" features. A 
     six-tenths of a kilometer
     (approximately 1,960 feet) jogging trail follows a portion of the 
     site's perimeter; eight and one-third
     laps of the course equals a 5K run. 
     
     BRIDGE OUT -- This feature takes the vehicle down a series of natural 
     rock stairs approximately
     9.5 feet. The approach angle to the water is between 28 degrees and 30 
     degrees, depending on the
     driver's line. The water level can be regulated to 27 inches in depth; 
     normal water level in the pool is
     maintained at 14 inches. Length of the water hazard is 60-70 feet. 
     
     HILL CLIMB -- Constructed of natural stone and recycled concrete, the 
     feature's overall height is
     13 feet (4 meters). The angle of approach running from the north to 
     the south is 29 degrees to 30
     degrees, depending on the driver's line. The crown is 10 feet in 
     length, and the angle of descent is 29
     degrees to 30 degrees. A vehicle rises and descends four meters (13 
     feet) in 10.36 meters (34 feet).
     
     SIDE TILT -- This feature, which is also installed at Land Rover 
     Centres, has approach, side tilt and
     exit angles of 30 degrees. The overall height is two meters (6.5 
     feet). 
     
     AIR BRIDGE AT THE CREEK -- Built of recycled timbers and switch ties, 
     the bridge's highest
     elevation is 4.5 feet. 
     
     THE CIRCLE OF STONES -- The outer natural stone circle is 90 feet in 
     diameter; the inner circle,
     site of the dedication rock, is 15 feet in diameter. Two rock 
     articulation displays are located on the
     outer circle. 
     
     THE BALANCE BRIDGE -- Built of pressure-treated lumber and mounted in 
     concrete, this feature
     challenges the driver to balance a vehicle atop the bridge, which 
     rocks like a teeter-totter. (The
     fastest balance time to date is nine seconds.) It is estimated the 
     feature weighs 12,500 lbs. 
     
     SWEEPER SIDE TILT -- Upon leaving the Circle of Stones, traveling 
     south, the vehicle climbs 20
     feet to this 27 degree side tilt. Exiting the Sweeper is a gravel run 
     to the Double Ditch Crossing. 
     
     Just after the Double Ditch Crossing is a left turn into a 35 degree 
     downhill; alternately, the driver
     can proceed straight to the Rocky Road, a very long side tilt that 
     averages 28 degrees to 30
     degrees. 
     
     The bottom of the Rocky Road contains a small air bridge of recycled 
     switch ties and bridge
     timbers. 
     
     Upon exiting the small air bridge, the driver travels through Wooded 
     Run, then turns left to return to
     Bridge Out. 
     
                    BLACK DIAMOND (FOR EXPERTS ONLY) FEATURES
     
     STAIR CLIMB -- This challenge is built of twenty-six twelve- to 
     sixteen-foot switch ties, set at a
     gradual slope which reaches 20 degrees approximately halfway up. The 
     spacing of the timbers is
     approximately 14 inches, with a seven- to nine-inch rise on each. The 
     stairs rise 19 feet in 60 running
     feet. 
     
     BOULDER RUN -- Sixty tons of quarry rock and glacier boulders were 
     used, with each boulder
     hand-selected and placed. There are at least four driving lines in 
     each direction uphill or downhill.
     The intent is that the driver study the paths to choose and then 
     execute the crossing. A ground guide
     can also be used to negotiate the run; the teamwork aspect of doing so 
     is an added benefit. 
     
     SIDE TILT -- During construction of the twelve-foot Hill Climb, it was 
     determined that the hill's
     geometry, if altered slightly, could produce a fairly dramatic side 
     tilt. Approaching from the South
     and steering as high as possible to the crest, vehicles can achieve a 
     side tilt in excess of 40 degrees.
     If the vehicle is kept high on the course, a 12- to 24-inch downhill 
     slide is almost always
     experienced! Exciting, even for experts. 
     
     Land Rover North America is a member of the Rover Group of Companies, 
     importing vehicles
     manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England. The Rover Group is a 
     wholly-owned subsidiary of
     BMW AG. 
     
     Note: Land Rover vehicles are not subject to the 10% luxury tax as 
     they are classified multi-purpose
     passenger vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating in excess of 
     6,000 lbs. 
     
     c PR Newswire. All rights reserved. 

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Turner Engines, how do they do it?

On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, John Putnam wrote:

> If I have been informed correctly,  US Citizens are not required to pay =
> GST on non food items.  The way this works is that you pay the GST at =
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> people who have.  This makes the the cost $139.96US cheaper yet for a =
> total of $1999.36US.

	You are correct here.  Forgot about this...

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 15:53:09 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: LRNA Sponsorship of Equine Events

Hi all,

Anybody have a name/telephone number or e-mail address of someone at
LRNA?  It seems Land Rover sponsors several large horse events including
the Kentucky 3 Day event (analogous although not as presidious as Badminton) in
the spring and Fair Hill Horse Trials and Driving Competition in the fall here
in Maryland. Normally they have a few D90's (and 110's when they were imported) 
Range Rovers and Discoveries at the event, running around the course 
as couriers of people/officials (not mutually exclusive) and scoring sheets.

It might be fun to see if LRNA is interested in a few of the older LR's to be
in attendance.

 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: 109" Sighting
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 16:22:00 CDT

Maybe they don't wave back because of seeing such a cool vehicle, they 
freeze.  You know, the "deer in the headlights" syndrome...  BTW, want to 
sell it?  (It was you that I waved to, because I remember the gas can and 
spare tire on the rack)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
 ----------
I wasn't ragging on Disco/RR/90/110 owners, just saying that all of the ones
I
waved to didn't wave back...

Dave "Did I strike a nerve? :-)" B.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 16:40:39 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 109" Sighting

Boehme, Doug wrote:
> Maybe they don't wave back because of seeing such a cool vehicle, they
> freeze.  You know, the "deer in the headlights" syndrome... 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>> waved to didn't wave back...
>> Dave "Did I strike a nerve? :-)" B.

I think there are several very real things going on here.  Probably the 
most important is that if the Disco/RR is being driven by the non-LR fanatic
in the family, the driver may well be oblivious to its history e.g. a Ford Taurus 
driver may be clueless if a '32 Ford coupe were to pass him/her.

Secondly, many of these people use their newer Solihull product as their
daily grind-mobile and probably are concentrating on the day's errands, why
the kids have to fight when they get in the car, who left their disgusting 
sweatsocks in the back on such a hot day, etc and simply don't notice the 
beauty of their surroundings. 

Nate "Can't we all just get along?" Dunsmore
You know the rest

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:38:58 -0500
From: Steve MARGOLIS <sim1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: LRNA Press Announcement (fwd)

Thanks Dixon, for cross posting the press announcement of the new=
 demonstration course at LRNA headquarters.  I did a little poking about and=
 the address of the announcemnt is at <http://www.landrover.com/news/news.ht=
ml> complete with a few pictures and the URL's of two related announcements:=
 one about the wildlife species at the demonstration course, and the other=
 about the designer, John Cummings.

Steve Margolis
Ithaca, NY
 
1957 107 Station Wagon, Series I, Still in kit form in Maine (Damn!)
        serial number 13470093 engine number 114707468

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From: "fisk.spencer" <fisk@gene.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:15:15 -0800
Subject: 1958 SER I 88" FOR SALE

I have a 1958 SER I transition year 88" which I unfortunately have to
sell due to the arrival of a new additions to my family (another
wonderful
daughter). The frame is in good shape as well as the firewall. I have
rebuilt the diffs, transmission, steering box, brakes, re-packed the
wheel bearings and placed new half shafts. Swivels look good, but have
not been taken apart. It has a SER IIA engine block which has been
partially rebuilt with a SER II head with new hardened seats, valves and
guides. The body is in pretty good shape, but a few engine pieces are
needed including; a radiator, starter, exhaust system and generator. It
has a solex carb which is in excellent condition, and the petrol tank
has been cleaned and welded. Many extra parts too. This California Rover
has great potential. For more details call me at W: (415) 225-5306, H:
(415) 259-7772 or E-Mail me. Asking $1,600.00 or best offer.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 21:27:14 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[4]: 109" Sighting

>>>I think there are several very real things going on here. ............blah 
blah blah...... if a '32 Ford coupe were to pass him/her.

>>>Secondly, many of these people use their newer Solihull product as their
daily grind-mobile ......blah blah blah.............and simply don't notice the 
beauty of their surroundings. 

Nate and all,

 I was just having a friendly chat with Doug about the irony of me waving at all
the coilers and then one one actually acknowledges me I don't even see it. I 
personally think all the LR products are infinitely cool and would love to have 
a coiler (dream on). Obvously every LRO is not going to be an enthusiast or know
their vehicles heritage. I just wave anyway to make 'em wonder what the hell is 
going on. Sometimes it borders on harrasment. Im just so happy to be in a 
rolling aluminum box that I'm just beside myself and can't control my emotions. 
I just thought it was funny that somebody who wasn't even involved felt the need
to jump in to the defense of newer LR owners, who (for once)weren't under 
attack. Who the hell cares, we all know that some of 'em wave, probably most of 
the ones on this list do. 

Nuff said

Dave "One Big :-)" B.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:25:38 -0400
From: dashmanc@198.4.75.45 (CarlDashman)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Boy is this one lucky person!  We have heard that the dealers on Long Island
are OK.  But here in Northern NJ, our local one is a disaster.  At our
dealer, the reason all the people would be yelling at the SM is because he
has lied to everyone of them, NOTHING has been fixed, other things have been
broken, he has tried to charge for stuff CLEARLY under warranty, etc, etc.
In fact, I am like you.  I lived in the south for 15 years and long ago
learned to start out with a smile and a kind word.  I have used this
technique at Nissan and Isuzu dealers with the same appropriate results as
you.  The service people there work with me and have changed my long-held
bias against dealer service.  But not at LR! Our 95 RR has been wonderful,
but when the lease is up Oct 97, BACK IT GOES!  With the warranty expired,
and only these bozos for service, I'd have to have my head examined to keep
it.  Wottalwedo?  I don't know, because the "beastie" is wonderful and no
one really makes anything competitive.  Does the Manhattan dealer have a
good rep.  How about the one in Summit?
Thanks!

ATB,

Carl.
>Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:06:34 -0400 (EDT)
>From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 51 lines)]
>Richard
>'95 D90

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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 20:20:56 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: tie rod ends

Hello all,

Does anyone know if there is a commonly available (in N.A.) replacement 
part number for tie rod ends for a '71 LR.

I'd appreciate a responce by email since the Major seems to want to 
ignore me.

Thanks folks, Greg

BTW is the list still active? I have tried to resubscribe but so far no 
luck.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:21:23 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: LRNA Sponsorship of Equine Events

>It might be fun to see if LRNA is interested in a few of the older LR's to be
>in attendance.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Boring, MD 21020
>dunsmo19@us.net
Be even more fun to do the event in one.Road and track would OK,showjumping
weeeell...might have trouble with the dressage stage though.
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:31:50 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Africa Travel Guide

I have converted my web page to "Brian's Africa Travel Guide"
If you have any info to add to my page please mail it to me ASAP.

http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton/

The address will change soon so if the above dosen't work do as follows:

http://www.lia.co.za
then choose Personal Pages
then Brian's Africa Travel Guide.

Cheers
Brian Cotton
LROC of SA

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Ian Stuarts Europe trip
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:46:45 +0200 (METDST)

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: Re[4]: 109" Sighting and drive train clonking on D90
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 10:23:00 CDT

I actually scared my wife by waving to you on Sunday...  I took both hands 
off the wheel, and seeing as how my top wasn't on, started waving both hands 
wildly.  I just figured you didn't see me because of the bad traffic.  Of 
course, I got many weird looks from the drivers around; most of them 
switching lanes to get away from me. :>

(This morning I waved at a '96 Discovery in front of me, he took one look at 
me in the rear view mirror, and sped away as fast as possible - I think he 
may have seen his own shadow. :>)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

P.S. I stopped by the dealership yesterday, and the service manager warned 
me about using my e-brake after big rainstorms, car washes, etc, because of 
the pads getting wet, expanding and sticking upon release of the e-brake. 
 Apparently some yuppie dude took is '95 D90 through a car wash and tried to 
make the dealer take it back because the top leaked during the car wash and 
the e-brake was stuck the next morning...  Silly, silly boy. :>
 ----------
Nate and all,

I was just having a friendly chat with Doug about the irony of me waving at
 - snip -
the ones on this list do.

Nuff said

Dave "One Big :-)" B.

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From: "Guy Arnold" <GUY@facade.adm.clarkson.edu>
Date:          Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:20:43 EDT
Subject:       Hand "Rover" Over

I saw this article in our local newspaper this morning. " Israelis 
who buy Land Rovers, Toyota 4-Runners and othe four-wheel-drive off-
road vehicles risk having them seized by the military.  All private 
vehicles over a certain size and weight and suv's qualify and must be 
registered with the Israeli Defense Force, which can conscript them 
in case of war or another emergency. Even in peace-time, owners must 
periodically report with their vehicles for call-up exercises. 
According to the London Financial Times, the military used to concern 
itself only with trucks and buses, but as suv's have beocme popular 
urban status symbols, the military views them as ideal command 
vehicles for the deserts and mountains around Israel's borders".

I am glad to see that I have status symbol, a.k.a. 1973 Series III 
swb. The US Defense Dept could take this approach and buy off the 
shelf SUVs and save all kinds of money. Maybe my "Green Machine" 
could get some stripes after the first call-up for duty.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:32:24 PST
Subject: Re: Hesitation
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

Thanks to all who have given me suggestions on what might be causing my
"Beast" to hesitate upon acceleration. As far as we can ascertain it
must be the distributor-all other options we seem to have exhausted, and
that is why I put it on the net. 

Yours in Rovering

Chris W
1966 Series IIA 88"

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:03:49 -0700
From: parch@smmff.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: anyone out there

        just checking to see if the server went down, I haven't recieved
any mail since ~8:00 Tuesday from either Mendo, LRO Digest or Coil Sprung
Owner Digest.
If any of these are working, could someone send me e-mail to let me know so
I can start to figure out what is going on.
Thanks,  Paul

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre
"87 Range-Rover-156,000 miles-going strong (Squeak)  

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 10 Jul 96 10:04:47 MST
Subject: Mail problems - you can help!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Hello all, and sorry for the bandwidth usage for this e-mail, but as an
avid offroader, Land Rover owner/user, I have become "addicted" to the
various lists.

I got a call from my company's internet security officer, and he
complained that each e-mail that I receive is copied to a ? (area)
because of "special characters" in the first column.

Here's how you can help: PLEASE do not use these characters: > < . -
(Greater than, less than, period and dash) in the first column of your
notes.

I know that it's common to use ">" in the beginning of each line when
referring to another e-mail, but maybe you could use a space first? " >"

It might just be a unix thing, but apparently causes problems with our
system. Thanks a LOT for your help! I would REALLY hate to unsubscribe!

Dave (Hoping to resolve mail problems) Brown

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