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From: HAMBLYDAVE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 12:08:15 -0400
Subject: 101 for sale.........

Dear All,

Mr friend, Max Lombardi is selling his 101.  It is a fully expedition
prepared, left hand drive, V8 soft top and the price will include all the
spares and equipment you would need for an overland trip through Africa.  You
can see a photograph of the vehicle if you go to my web site at
        http://home.aol.com/hamblydave

The modifications include:-  Full length roofrack, two spare wheels, 76
gallons of petrol capacity, overdrive, aircraft seats for four people, two
comfy beds, interior fans, CB, Sat Nav, stereo, floodlights, spotlights, sand
ladders and loads more that I can't remember!

The price will be 5500 sterling.

We are based in Walton on Thames, Surrey, UK - drop me a mail to
hamblydave@aol.com or ring me on 01932 885374
Contact Max Lombardi on 01932 226816 or fax him on 01932 886004

Tell your friends!!

Dave

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From: HancockPA@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:26:38 -0400
Subject: Wanted: Soft Top for S2A SWB

Following an attack by a very heavy handed "friend", my son has now got a
large rip in the soft top of his 1960 S2A.SWB.

Repairing it will be awkward, because of where the rip is, so he is in the
market for a second hand top, at a reasonable price.

If anyone has one they want to sell, or knows where one can be acquired, that
is travelling distance from West London, England, please let me know via the
forum, or e-mail me direct.

Thanks
Paul Hancock, Landrover Owner's Father (Does that make me a grandad?)

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Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 12:33:27 MST
From: ROB MODICA <rmodica@east.pima.edu>
Subject: Access Woes, Charouleau Gap, Tucson, Az (Long response)

This is long, political and only peripherally Land Rover:

Just as a point of clarity, someone who has lived in Arizona only since 1970 is
NOT considered to be a "native" out here.  I have been a resident of Arizona
only since 1961 but I  am married to a real Arizona "native" (who is a third
generation born in Arizona "native" and who's grandparents moved here from back
"East" in the 1880s).  I am not a gun carrier (but I own a few), I am not a
hunter (but used to hunt in Michigan), I am an enviromentalist "tree-hugger"
(that's one of the reasons I drive my Land Rover into the out-of-the-way-
areas) and I vote "liberal" if the issue warrants it.  The people in Arizona
who have consistently voted "conservative" (i.e., "The Earth is mine to do with
it whatever I want".) have mostly come from "back East" and in increasing
numbers since the early 1970s.  Gated retirement communities trying to keep
everyone off their surroundings is a really typical "conservative" idea. 

I fully support public access to appropriate public lands.  Developers here in
Tucson (and the rest of Arizona) have consistently fought providing public
access to trailheads and existing old roads.  One Tucson developer has tried to
years to close access to the extremely popular Pima Canyon hiking area.  The
owner of the company is, by the way, an arch conservative.  

Public access to National Forests, state land and BLM land is a big issue out
here in Arizona and the rest of the West.  Uncontrolled 4x4 use on desert lands
causes irreparable damage -- just look at some parts of the southern California
desert  -- and should be controlled.  Just because these areas are designated
public land doesn't mean everyone has a "right" to drive a 4X4 on them.  Some
land should never see a track except for footprints.  (I backpack, too).  Some
land has had continuos wheeled vehicle use and should remain open.  Just
because some idiot takes a bulldozer and carves a new access road into public
land (e.g., what has been done with increasing regularity in SE Utah) doesn't
make it an access "right".

"The Sagebrush Rebellion" of the early 1980s out here was not about public
access to public lands, it was about the "right" to sell mining claims to
Canadian gold and copper mining companies for $100 per year (under the 1872
Mining Act) and allow them (actually subsidize them) to extract public minerals
at HUGE profits and then leave the National Forests a complete mess that no one
could use. 
 
Letter writing and telephone calls to public policy makers is an effective
method to solve this problem, but assuming everyone with one common interest
(like 4X4ing) fits a political niche is only counter-productive.  And I
*personally* think that organizations with names that suggest speed,
environmental destruction or a "screw-you-attitude" are also
counter-productive.

My two cents worth.  (Actually more like $1.50)

Rob Modica

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From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@mi.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 21:34:03 +0000
Subject: Re: July 4th Rover Rally

Date:          Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:28:28 -0500
Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
X-To:          lro@playground.sun.com
From:          ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject:       July 4th Rover Rally

Dear All,
        One more time in case somebody missed it...
        DownEast/ July 4th Land Rover Rally, here in Mid-Coast Maine, info.
brochures with directions, times, events, places, campgrounds, etc. is
ready to go.
        Anyone interested in coming, especially to the Off Road Day, should
call or email me so they can get on the RSVP list, and get the info.

Mike:

Please add me to your list, and may I recieve the info.....
(And I catalog if you have any...)
Peter & Julie Rosvall
Box 165, RR#2
Maces Bay, N.B.
E0G 2H0
Phone: (506) 659-2197

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@mi.net

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE: Turner Engines, how do they do it?
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:20:02 -0700
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Dixon wrote:

	We have omitted our favoured Goods and Services tax (soon to be
	combined with the Provincial sales taxes at 15% and turned into
	a VAT) because it may not be applicable on the Rovers North
	purchase (Charlie offered me once the garage space to do the
	swap down there), but there is a core charge from RN, there
	is not a core charge from Turner (the result of a phone conversation
	last year when I told Frida Turner that she would basically get an
	engine back that had sat in a stream for the last twenty years.
	ie.  They wouldn't want what I shipped them.  They agreed)  Don't
	know the core charge offhand, so:

	GST (Turner)	C$191.72 for a new total of $2,930.58
	GST (RN)	C$287.19 for a new total of $4,389.92

	Now, for our friends south of the border in the un-pink area of North
	America rubbing shoulders with Jesse Helms, you have decided that
	you want a Turner.  You know the RN price, plus the core charge,
	what does the Turner cost if you buy via Canada.  Well...

	C$2,930.58 =3D US$2,139.32

	RN at their door, no sale on, =3D US$2,995 + Core.

	Where do you buy?

If I have been informed correctly,  US Citizens are not required to pay =
GST on non food items.  The way this works is that you pay the GST at =
time of purchase and when you ruturn across the boarder you can go to =
customs and get a refund.  I have yet to test this, but I know several =
people who have.  This makes the the cost $139.96US cheaper yet for a =
total of $1999.36US.

Just my 4 bits worth (inflation).

John Putnam
Beaverton, OR
SIIa SWB
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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE: LR Problems
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:53:58 -0700
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From: 	Boehme, Doug[SMTP:dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com]
Sent: 	Friday, July 05, 1996 7:39
Subject: 	RE: LR Problems

I had a Honda ('92 Civic Si)...  Once...  The engine block cracked right =

after the waranty ran out.  So I bought a Land Rover.  Yeah, I know, =
there
is no logical step from one to the other, except for the fact that my =
Honda
sucked.

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
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From: KKelly6788
Cc: ganchors
Subject: LR Problems
Date: Wednesday, July 03, 1996 4:11PM

>I was just so amazed at
>the problems people on the CSO list have had that I'm now expecting
>the worst to happen. But I'm really glad I bought my D90s even if
>means I'll have to eventally rebuild them from the ground up.
Remember people don't post to the list that "the old Range Rover is =
still
running great"  I have not had a single thing break for quite a while =
(well,
the fiber optic did pop out of the speedo pointer again).  If you read =
the
Honda/Acura list  you will see a ton of blown engines, bad trannys and =
FI
problems.

Kevin Kelly

Except for a fuel sucking Weber 2 barrel Carb.  my '70 SIIa SWB has been =
running great ( put over 22,000 miles on it in the last 15 months ).

John Putnam
Beaverton, OR

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Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 16:32:18 -0800
From: "Deanna D. Sitter" <lani@alaska.net>
Subject: Engine swaps

Chris Fisher's 4.6 V-6 swap sounds nice, but I still maintain that 5 
grand will do a nice FI v-8 swap, it will for me in any case.  The keys 
are 1: Do it yourself.  2: get away from the idea that if something 
isn't available in a catalog then it isn't available.  3: Shop the want 
adds for those little parts.  The bulkhead doesn't have to be cut.  I 
feel that I am the best person to take care of all the little details 
that make an engine swap the best it can be because no one else cares 
about my Rover as much as I do.

Tim Sitter

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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:07:40 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: ISO 90000 (NON LR)

You wrote: 

snip
>This standard (and the other ones 90001, 90002, 90003) can be a
>total waste of time.

snip
>Cheers, Steve

I had understood this to be the case (making bad things by documented 
routine) but wasn't aware of just how lax the actual auditing was.  I 
was also under the false impression that the QC documentation was 
public domain - already corrected on that one :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:14:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Now what do I do?

Hi All

Well I changed my fuse block for a new one. Put all the wires back the way
they came off.
Now when I step on the brake and let it up (ie at stop lights,slowing down
etc.) the Alt light comes on!
It goes back out if I rev the motor. I check for a voltage drop, none found.
The brake lights work fine.
Yes I did a gen to alt convertion some time ago with no problems till now.

I think I may have solved it but won't know till I drive It again.
Is it normal for every thing in the car to run off one 30 amp fuse? (except
the interior lights that is.)
I am at a loss help!!!
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
WANTED pre 1968 109 In USA
Daviscar@concentric.net
        Or
BDaviscar@aol.com

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Date: 07 Jul 96 22:25:48 EDT
From: "Steven  L. Meier" <102141.3253@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Catching up with questions!

Just catching up . . . an 88 Off Road in Progress . . . details later!

Re. Northern New Mexico . . . SPYDERS@aol.com

The Carson National Forest will be the most "fun" . . . stop in Santa Fe if you
have time for a visit.   Maps, etc. available at the Ranger Station.  More info.
on arrival . . . no permits needed but compliance with current FIRE DANGER will
be necessary.  There are a few challenges but mostly clean and pristine forrest
with camping at will (provided you understand cows and their mates, the Bull.
Take care with "Mr. Lucas" and have a sense of humor . . . we have no other
choice.

Re. Crested Butte . . . mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net
 I'll be going so e-Mail your dates and times . . . perhaps we can caravan on up
. . . camping is the plan to date . . . schedule is unsure at the moment . . .
at any rate I'll see you there.

NOTE . . . lots of rocks and climbing . . . top heavy will be a disadvantage as
most of the CO high trails (13 to 15K) are "original" gold mining burro and mule
trails converted by "Jeeps" (someone had to do it) in the 50's and 60's to
off-road . . . usually down hill on one side with 4 to 5K drops on both sides
and rocks.rocks.rocks that the above (quadrupeds) could step over on the high
side.  Keep the weight low and have the ride and the views of your lifetime.
AAA will be reluctant to tow from the trails (usually one way only) so be
prepared mechanically.  There is no other way to see the USA from above, unless
you want to walk or fly.  A great group of Land Rover people represented by
Series 1 to Disco owners with CD's and Air (body work beware! . . . remove the
extras!).  Bill Burke is a serious "off roader" so it will be fun and
challenging.  Hope to meet a lot of you there . . . INTERNET names to faces.  In
a1967 109 Safari with a 292cc Chevy conversion with OD (I like the on road
"comfort"/speed in the mountains and the power/torque off road)  . . . purists
(2.25 L Land Rover) can look the other way while enjoying the ride . . . I'll
stay in the shadows and keep the bonnet down.

Re. "All Season King" tyres . . . jve@phaseone.dk

In USA sold by General Tire . . .LT 235/85 R16 M+S . . . have them on a 67' 109
Safari . . . a semi-agressive tire that wears . wears . wears and does extremely
well at reduced pressure (20 lbs.-) off road in the rocks of the mountain
terrain of CO (National Rally) + Northern NM and is quiet and handles well on
road at 40 lbs. front and 36 lbs. rear, on the 109.   Interesting that they are
found world wide.  A tire/wheel (spokers) conversion that is to be recommended
for on/off road.

Keep the "Romance" Alive . . . Steven L. Meier
ROVERS YOU CAN RIDE . Santa Fe . New Mexico
Specializing in Complete Frame Up Restorations
Engine/Gearbox Conversions and other Options Available
e-Mail 102141.3253@Compuserve.com  1.505.438.2475  FAX 1.505.989.7622
   

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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:11:28 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: ISO 90000000 (NON LR)

On 7/7/96, Jeremy Bartlett <jjbpears@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
:I had understood this to be the case (making bad things by documented 
:routine) but wasn't aware of just how lax the actual auditing was.  I 
:was also under the false impression that the QC documentation was 
:public domain - already corrected on that one :)

 Jeremy,

 Will Saturday AM be OK to have a bunch of us Lazy Buggers come by and
 reverse engineer your Turner engine?  Seems this is the only way we're
 ever going to know what makes them tick sooooo good!

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:35:44 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Micro-Machines (LR Toy)

 Discovered at Toys'R'Us while perusing Hot Wheels and Matchboxes:
 Micro-Machine collections, assortments of well... micro vehicles.
 One group labeled "#6 Mud Trackers" contained 5 off-highway trucks the
 star of which is a Series III 109 regular with a full tilt.  Price of
 the set is $5, or $1 per vehicle.

 The level of detail is very convincing and proportionatly the truck is
 correct.  The front bumper has military over-riders, headlamps recessed
 in the fender panel with two sidelights each, and a recognizable Series
 III grill.  The bonnet sports a spare, and has hinges at the windscreen.
 From the side each body panel is delineated including the rocker panel,
 and the air intake, hinges, rear view mirrors, door handles, divided
 door windows and tilt windows can be seen.  The tilt is scored for a
 canvas like effect.  The rear has a tailgate with bars, hinges, rear
 lights and bumperettes to be seen.  The bottom even has the drivetain
 shown.

 The vehicle is painted light green with a tan tilt.  It has sky blue
 windows, black tires with silver rims, a black radiator grill, silver
 bumpers, and red tailights.  6 colors in all.

 The vehicle has a 20mm (3/4") wheelbase, and measures a scant 16mm
 (5/8") wide, 33mm (1-1/4") long, and 16mm (5/8") high ...truly micro.
 Oh yes, it comes with a plastic clip to the frame to hold it while
 viewing as any finger would surely obscure it.

 the only odd feature is an oversize towing setup, which just proves
 that even as this micro scale Land-Rovers remain funtional and are
 designed to go to work!

 (OK, this doesn't compare to July 4th weekend Down East, but hey! :)

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:22:18 PST
Subject: Re: Access Woes, Charouleau Gap, Tucson, Az (Long response)
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

Thank you Rob, my sentiments exactly. I was an environmentalist long
before it was in vogue to be so, but I also believe in SENSIBLE use of
land where it will not be irreparably damaged.

Cheers

Chris Whitehead

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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:35:13 PST
Subject: Re: Micro-Machines (LR Toy)
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

You might also try train stores for Land Rovers-I have purchased a few
through a local hobby/train store. A red fire engine was a prticularly
well detailed item-albeit rather small. They are made by ROCCO, and
Austrian company-the fire engine is model number 1359 and cost me US$12

Cheers

Chris Whitehead

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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:43:49 PST
Subject: Hesitation
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

Just got my 66 Series IIa back on Wednesday, looks great, engine sounds
good, but upon acceleration there is a great amount of hesitation-lack
of power. It is hard to explain, but at one stage I didn't think I'd
make it through a traffic light, because the vehicle was jerking etc.
Now the guy who restored it for me(he has worked on Land Rovers for 20+
years) and I went through the engine on Saturday. We checked the
tappets, the carburetor, timing, spark plugs, distributor(the points and
condensor are brand new). Made adjustments to the timing-what a silly
place for it, another fantastic British invention-back in the engine
where you cannot see it, and can only get to it while draped across a
hot engine(it was 112degrees in Phoenix the day we worked on it). We
adjusted the idle and the mixture, made some slight adjustments to the a
few tappets. Now he says that the distributor has too much movement in it
and he is going to replace that, but after that he isn't sure where to
look. Any suggestions would be welcome. The vehicle runs better now that
everything has been adjusted, and the hesitation isn't as bad, but once
the engine warms up, and I accelerate, I will often have to let up on
the accelerator to get rid of the hesitation.

Cheers

Chris Whitehead
1966 Series IIA 88"

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:47:48 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Hello again!

I just found out that the LRO list was back up, but I had not been getting 
messages.  Resubscribing took care of that, and my withdrawal symptoms are 
gone.  Thanks everyone!

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Ccccccold vehicle
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 10:34:37 BST

> [[ Bilde : 5978 i WINMAIL.DAT ]]Hi!
> I am the proud owner of a 1977-mod SerIII 88" diesel, named "Hercules" 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> Perhaps some of you out there can help me? Please send a copy to my 
> mailbox...

Hey! We'll swap! I keep overheating!  :-)
Left my parent's yesterday with bits of cooling system across the garden,
and my father having lots of fun!

Richard

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:03:02 BST

> Subject: Fourth of July
> HAPPY 4TH OF JULY TO ALL OF YOU, EVEN IF YOU AREN'T AMERICAN.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> CHEERS
> CHRIS WHITEHEAD

On the Land Rover listserver - a bit ironic, eh?   :-)

Besides (diving under flameproof cover), if we'd wanted America, we'd have
fought for it...        :-)

Richard 

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Tom=E1s_Parreira?= <jparreira@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: 4th gear poping out
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:06:30 +-200

Hi fellow Rovers:

My Landy (1980 SIII) as been developing the nasty habit of disengaging the 4th
gear when climbing a hill (with 6 adults in it) and rolling at 60-70 Kms/h. Can I
consider this normal (!) or is my beast developing some problem. 

I have no OD, all gears engage well and it only disengages when climbing hills
(it is easy to re-engage it and carry on cruising).

If you can help me I would appreciate it.

Happy Rovering
Joao Parreira

********************************************
* Joao Parreira	| jparreira@mail.telepac.pt
* Aveiro - PORTUGAL
* INTELLECTOR Ltd.
* I.T. Consultant
* 1980 LR 88' SIII
********************************************

LAND ROVER'S FIRST
BECAUSE LAND ROVERS LAST! :-)

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