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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 07:36:59
From: "George S. Szydlowski" <GeorgeEsq@gnn.com>
Subject: extra head sIII,FS

I just completed a valve job on my SIII.  Everything is buttoned up and 
working fine...I now have the original head with valve train and cover for 
sale...it is rebuildable,but needs 1 exhaust valve...e-mail me if you can 
use one...also if someone needs a SII 2 prong gas cap i will send it out.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 07:04:06 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Series IIa Window Replacement

At 11:46 PM 7/5/96 -0400, Chris Stevens wrote:
>Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help on the broken windshield. I
>used all the advice: had a local glass shop cut two beautiful tinted panes;
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>installed them and---YIKES---cracked the driver's side while tightening a
>retaining strip screw. Oh well, it gives the Rover character.

Chris

Did you use sealing goop around the windscreen when you mounted it?

Those automotive glass places also remove and install glass & if it cracks
its their problem and if it leaks its their problem.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:29:23 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: ISO 900X Auditors

Steve Reddock wrote:
>There is no control over the auditors.

Not quite true, I think, at least on the continent the auditors have to pass 
a test, and sometimes our Ministry of Commerce will do an audit on auditors. 
I have no idea how qualified the auditor-auditors are; when we had our 
audit, the auditors were being audited by the ministry, and the two civil 
servants who tagged along with the auditors never said a word. At least one 
of the auditors, though, was a lot more thourough than he had been 
previously; we almost failed because while we had five files of procedures 
and documentation, with an index to each file, there was no index of indexes.

Let me say one positive thing about the whole process, though. If you are 
capable of turning out a good product in the first place, ISO 900X helps to 
assure consistent quality levels, with fewer lemons. It can also reduce your 
overall cost considerably, since it aims to prevent mistakes early in the 
development process. However, as I said before, it does not make a bad 
product or a bad design or a bad procedure any better, and it may lead 
people to more bureaucracy if not managed properly.

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: Robot10@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:52:00 -0400
Subject: Any midwest owners out there?

Hello, I've posted before and am still searching for the perfect vehicle: a
1967 109 which combines all the right features, like rusted out frame, non
running engine, bad trans, transfer case, axles, glass, body and most
importantly cheap price and close location; Yeah, right, and monkeys might
fly outa my butt!. Anyway, are there ANY owners in the Chicago/nw indiana
area? if so please write, I'd like to ride/drive/work on your vehicle with
you!!!

I've been reading about the compression testing, and there have been many
excellent suggestions. Here's my $.02 worth: put a tablespoon of oil into the
cylinder between a first and second test, this'll tell you if your rings
suck. Oil temporarily seals rings and compression goes up. If this happens,
pull and rebore, or get used to the blue smoke. Actually, if you burn enough
oil, it just means you never change the oil, just keep adding!(kidding of
course) A quart of Marvel Mystery Oil will sometimes free up sticky rings
(and lifters). As to valve seals, the rope trick is good, another one is to
move the piston to Bottom Dead Center and pressurize it with an adapter made
from an old spark plug. You'll need at least 140 lbs to hold the valves in
place, so if you don't have a high pressure compressor, stick to the rope.
I've used both and they work well, but REMEMBER TO REMOVE YOUR ROCKER ARMS
BEFORE YOU TRY EITHER METHOD! Otherwise, you may jam the rope into a
partially opened valve, bending it and requiring head removal.

Good luck!
Mark

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:22:06 -0400
Subject: re: Engine Swaps

>As to engines, Ford SVO is selling new 5.0 v-8's complete with fuel 
>injectors, manifolding, ignition, flywheel, clutch, and a few other 
>things for around $2,200 US.  Sure there is a lot more to get to do a 
>quality engine swap, but for around 5 grand a person could put together 
>a clean well built package.
With that in mind, I did check with Advance Adapters and they have a adapter
(from Mark's in OZ) that mates a Ford C4 automatic to the Series transfer
case or a 4-spd top loader is available as well.  It listed around $890 last
summer...  
$5k is still not enough to do a good swap.  It's the little parts and labor
that add up quickly.  With the V8, you'll need to also replace the
transmittion and probably beef up or replace the axles. Not to mention
significant body mods to fit it in...  A more realistic price is similar to
what I'm currently doing to my ‘73 LR88.  I'm putting in a built ‘93 Chevy
4.3L"Vortec" V6 (with Holley programable fuel injection), a chevy 700r4
automatic transmittion, and a NP 208 transfer case. Price is $8000 max. with
a 1 year unlimited mileage warranty (covers everything modified).  The $8k
also includes all those "little" things like new battery, gauges, radiator,
misc. pumps, new springs on the front, etc... For now, I'm taking the "wait
and see" attitude toward the stock axles, but will probably end up investing
another $5000 replacing the front and rear or use a McNamarra (sp.) axle
upgrade kit w/ locker $1000 per axle.  The new front and rear (first choice)
would  include disk brakes, tires, wheels (due to new bolt patterns),
steering components...  Total investment including original purchase price
will be around $16k.  A lot of money for a Series rover, but still much
cheaper than a new or used Defender.  That price also does not include the
little want items like a decent paint job (though my mechanic told me he
might just throw that in), new seats, soft top, winch, radio, alarm, roll
cage...  
If you go for a full swap, I'd really recommend finding a good mechanic who
specializes in this sort of thing, it's definitely not something I'd try at
home...  Doing something "half-assed" will eventually lead to problems...
  I'd recommend staying as close to stock as possible if you can't afford to
do everything all at once.   For me, I bought the Rover knowing that I was
going to do the swap and knew how much to budget.  This project allows me to
build a completely unique vehicle to match what I think a four-by-four should
be without having the manufacturer decide what my choices are going to be...
 I know I'll probably never get my investment back out of it, and that I'm
destroying a legendry vehicle, but it will be mine, and I'll hang onto it
forever...

BTW: the project isn't out of the shop yet (July15??), but I'll let you know
how it turns out.   I also still have the complete engine "system" including
transmittion and transfer case for sale.. (I'm still hoping for $1000 for
everything, trades acceptable).  Located in Denver, Colorado...  If anyone
wants my mechanic's name, I'll be happy to pass it along...

Turbo's?  Great on the highway, but they can lead to unexpected power
off-road.. ie, they don't kick in 'til the revs are up and most off-roading
is done with lower revs, ie. they'd be kicking in and out all the time..
 There's got to be a reason they aren't usually found on four-by's (exception
being the turbo deisels). Supercharger is better, or how bout Nitro?????
 Anyone ever "stroked" a 2.25L? (although my mother always told me "stroking"
your Rover would lead to blindness ;-)

Chris Fisher
‘73 Series III 88 hybrid (for off-road and piddling around town)
'91 Nissan Twin-turbo 300zx (for speed ;-)

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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 12:02:25 -0800
From: "Deanna D. Sitter" <lani@alaska.net>
Subject: All Season King Tires

If I am not mistaken, the All Season King tire sold in Canada is a 
rebadged Uniroyal Laredo All Season.

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:14:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking swivelpin housing

mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk,Internet writes:
> Our nearly 3 year old, 50K mile Disco TDi, started to leak from the big
> inboard oil seal in the swivel-pin housing a few months back.  It is a
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> presume fairly harmless leak.  It has been suggested by my farming
> chums that I should shove a heavier (?EP120) oil in to slow the leak.
> Any comments on my conservative approach would be appreciated.

Be extremely careful that your oil level stays good.  I don't know if
the Disco TDi's are constructed around the same front axle as the
series and Defender setup, but the lubrication from the swivel is what
keeps your front bearings lubed as well.  If you run low on fluid, this
flow of oil will stop and you can run through bearings VERY quickly. 
I've had front bearings seize on the road and it is NOT pretty. 
Incidentally, the bearings are cheap (US$20) and easy to replace, I
don't know about the seal itself.  Just be careful whenever you are
leaking a good quantity of fluid, as it may cause shaft or bearing
damage when the level runs low.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:14:47 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Recent foreign LR sightings

Dear all,
LR sightings take up a fair bit of my time wherever I go. Belize a few months 
ago was rewarding - a yellow Camel 110 ouside the hotel on day one was hard to 
beat. A few of you have responded to the St. Kitts and St. Croix postings. 

Now come 2 more foreign reports.
1. Panama
The last week in June was spent in Panama City at the International Coral Reef 
Simposium. Out of a total of about 8 hours of taxi time I saw many (6) 
Discoverys, 2 RRs, but only 1 D90.

2. USA
5 days in Florida, and about 10 hours on the road, and not one sighting of a 
Defender, or any other earlier square model. The other (D) things were around, 
and looking good, but I hoped to see at least 1 Series 1,2 ,3 or 4. 

Allan Smith
St. Lucia

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:45:48 -0700
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Re: Recent foreign LR sightings

I have owned a 1973 Series III Model 88 hardtop since new.  One of the few
things I've regretted about the vehicle is that it was not made with the
Alpine windows mounted in the sides of the roof.  I have recently purchased
everything I need to add these windows- glass, new weather seal and lock
seal.  What I don't have is a template to cut the holes.  I could work out
the template using the glass and the seals, but it sure would be easier and
probably more accurate if I could find someone who 1) has access to a Land
Rover with missing Alpine windows and 2) was willing to draw a template of
the cutout for me on a piece of paper.  I don't even need the whole window,
just one end will do.  I can figure out the length myself.

If you can help me out, please e-mail me at faurecm@halcyon.com  .  I live
in Seattle, and have a 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE in addition to the Series
III.  Thanks a lot.

C. Marin Faure
        author, Flying A Floatplane

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:48:27 -0700
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Need Series III Alpine window template.

I have owned a 1973 Series III Model 88 hardtop since new.  One of the few
things I've regretted about the vehicle is that it was not made with the
Alpine windows mounted in the sides of the roof.  I have recently purchased
everything I need to add these windows- glass, new weather seal and lock
seal.  What I don't have is a template to cut the holes.  I could work out
the template using the glass and the seals, but it sure would be easier and
probably more accurate if I could find someone who 1) has access to a Land
Rover with missing Alpine windows and 2) was willing to draw a template of
the cutout for me on a piece of paper.  I don't even need the whole window,
just one end will do.  I can figure out the length myself.

If you can help me out, please e-mail me at faurecm@halcyon.com  .  I live
in Seattle, and have a 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE in addition to the Series
III.  Thanks a lot.

C. Marin Faure
        author, Flying A Floatplane

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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 21:16:12 -0600
From: "Darrell D. Murray" <rdgrnr@flash.net>
Subject: Access Woes, Charouleau Gap, Tucson, Az.

A little history about the gap.  It has been noted, by U.S. Forestry, as being one of 
the best, most rugged trails, in Az. for off road useage.  It has been around, since the 
1880s, from the Oracle side and the 1940s, from the Western slopes, North of Tucson.  
The U.S.F., contracted to have the road built to connect to allow vehicle access to the 
mining claims, in the mountains/valleys.  In the early 1970s, a road was built to allow 
residents to reach their new homes in the foothills.  These roads were named Edwin road 
and The Santa Monica Trail.  They connect up on state land, by-passing the orginal road, 
which had become almost impassable.  So all the people began to use the new roads.  
After 26 years or so, the residents got mad at a new business, jeep tours, which were 
running severalt trips a day up to the gap, past their homes, raising dust and noise 
levels until, they physically blocked the road, with their bodies, to keep the tours 
out.  The road is open, with sugns saying no trespassing.  People still go up their in 
small groups or numbers.  The jeep tours lost their first round, in court, on access 
through public domain/egress laws.  The state of Az., offered to build a new road, to 
allow continued access.  This seemed to be a good alternative, to fighting the residents 
over access.  However, there is a retirement community, North of the proposed site of 
the road.  They have opposed this access, with a very strong and organized effort.  They 
do not want any off road vehicle there.  They do not propose any alternative access, 
other than building a road, several miles away, through a state park, which would 
require obtaining several tracts of private land etc.  In other words, not a valid 
consideration.  These people, the home owner's association, have portrayed off road 4x4 
users as a bunch of drunk criminals, desroying everything in our path etc.  The biggest 
problem I have faced is correcting this image and trying to stay one step behind these 
folks.  We have never had to organize on this level, to fight such a situation.  No 
offense to you folks who don't live in Az., but these idiots, are from various regions 
and towns from around the U.S.  We refer to them as Easterners, which is a bad thing 
here! (Sorry for the slur folks, as you don't have to be from back east or calif, to be 
an idiot, as these people are now residents here.)  It just seems the bad changes 
occurring here, are linked with the population growth and influx of people who don't 
think like us here, as natives do is Az.  We do things like hunt, fish, own/carry guns 
and don't vote liberial!  Back to the story.  They have written state and federal 
government, newspapers, been on T.V. and such.  This is a national issue, as the gap 
itself, is federal land!  It is one of the few off road driving areas still used!  The 
forestry people in charge, support keeping these roads open to off road vehicle use.  
They do it themselves.  Told you we were different here!  They work hand and hand, with 
the Tucson Rough Riders, the local big club.  I have lived in this area, since 1970 and 
off roaded all those years.  I have been part of an informal club, called the Catalina 
Ridge Runners, which has been just for fun, now we find we are fighting for our rights, 
and are not organizied to do this, as we have been nothing but informal.  As the Tucson 
Rough Riders were the local anybody 4x4 club, I started the Ridge Running Rovers, Land 
Rover Owner's Club, just for fun, but we are organized and have members paying dues etc. 
 We are fighting this.  I am on the committee, formed by Az. Game and Fish, to come up 
with a road/access to solve the issue.  There are members from all view points on the 
committee.  What I'm asking, as it is a National issue, plese call your national members 
of congress and forestry, to voice your concerns.  Here is the number for the Az. state 
government. 1-800-352-8404.  Call the Governer's office, The state land, and Game and 
Fish, departments and voice your anger at not getting this issue resolved sooner!  They 
need to know what kind of voice we have too!  Not just a local, but vocal, retirement 
community.  We are many, many more than they are.  The under lying current, is I 
believe, the developer for the retirement community, wants to expand in that area, apply 
for permits and land lock the access.  He can't do that, if there is a road.  Thanks.  
Any Az. Land Rover owners, looking to join a state wide club please e-mail or call me.
Darrell D. Murray, President,
Ridge Running Rovers,
15939 N. Twin Lakes Dr., Tucson, Az. 85739
520-825-1665, e-mail, rdgrnr@flash.net

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:41:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Any midwest owners out there?

At 12:52 PM 7/6/96 -0400, you wrote:
 Anyway, are there ANY owners in the Chicago/nw indiana
area? if so please write, I'd like to ride/drive/work on your vehicle with
you!!!

Hi Mark
Yes there are land rover owners out here in Chicago area.
There is a newly formed LR club here the guy who is pres is Peter Donnely
and lives in Highland park.
His phone # is 708 831-2208 He maybe able to help you find your "dream LR".
You may also want to go to the Brittish car show on Sept 8. There are about
15 -20 Lr's that show up there.
I have found in the past the best way to find something is to ask people who
have it if they know of one for sale.
Last year a 109 sw was advertised at the show for 2500.00 It will be at the
show this year with its new owner. (my brother )
You can e-mail me or him If you want to talk some more, He is the
Cardoctor@gnnn.com his name is Rob.
Hope this helps
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
WANTED pre 1968 109 In USA
Daviscar@concentric.net
        Or
BDaviscar@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:46:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: All Season King Tires

In Canada, Cooper makes a nice 650x16 tire in a truck tire configuration 
for $88.00 installed.  I just put a set of P205 R75 15" on my Blazer and 
I think these tires are just fine especially with the low price.  Dave VE4PN

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From: kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 23:01:05      
Subject: Re: 109 5 door hoop set?

Hello all,
Nate Dunsmore wrote
 
> Just a question, my wife asked me if 5 door 109's can be fitted with hoop
> set and canvas top. 

I have seen a 110 SW with canvas top a year ago, so it is possible, but I do not 
know if you need special parts for the hoop set.

Hope this helps

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII 88 Lightweight (Scotty)

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From: kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 23:01:05      
Subject: Re: 109 5 door hoop set?

Hello all,
Nate Dunsmore wrote
 
> Just a question, my wife asked me if 5 door 109's can be fitted with hoop
> set and canvas top. 

I have seen a 110 SW with canvas top a year ago, so it is possible, but I do not 
know if you need special parts for the hoop set.

Hope this helps

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII 88 Lightweight (Scotty)

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From: kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 23:01:05      
Subject: Re: 109 5 door hoop set?

Hello all,
Nate Dunsmore wrote
 
> Just a question, my wife asked me if 5 door 109's can be fitted with hoop
> set and canvas top. 

I have seen a 110 SW with canvas top a year ago, so it is possible, but I do not 
know if you need special parts for the hoop set.

Hope this helps

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII 88 Lightweight (Scotty)

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From: kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 23:10:40      
Subject: Re: Getting excited about Billing '96

Hello to all Billing travellers,

I think it is time to choose a meeting point at the show.
 
See you in Billing (hopefully)

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII 88 Lightweight (Scotty), with probably the biggest roof mountable tent

PS: I am arriving Thursday afternoon.

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From: kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 23:10:40      
Subject: Re: Getting excited about Billing '96

Hello to all Billing travellers,

I think it is time to choose a meeting point at the show.
 
See you in Billing (hopefully)

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII 88 Lightweight (Scotty), with probably the biggest roof mountable tent

PS: I am arriving Thursday afternoon.

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From: kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 23:10:40      
Subject: Re: Getting excited about Billing '96

Hello to all Billing travellers,

I think it is time to choose a meeting point at the show.
 
See you in Billing (hopefully)

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII 88 Lightweight (Scotty), with probably the biggest roof mountable tent

PS: I am arriving Thursday afternoon.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:00:35 PST
Subject: Re: Access Woes, Charouleau Gap, Tucson, Az.
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

Not all of us in AZ find easterner to be a swear word, and we aren't all
gun toting, tobacco chewing, Rush Limbaugh cheerleaders. Even I listen
to Rush once in a while for a laugh. I think 4x4ers have a bad name
because of the groups who do act like hooligans, see the latest issue of
Car and Driver on the trip in AZ and you'll see where the reputation
comes from.

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From: SCLROVER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 02:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Need Series III Alpine window template.

C.Marin,

  One thing to be sure of, and this may sound obvious, but I,ve seen it done,
is to remove the rear headliner and replace it with the correct narrower one
made for the tops with Alpine windows.  I've seen some who have tried to cut
through the liner and seal it around the windows with zero success.

Good Luck 

Tim
SCLR

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