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1 | "ISO 90000 Auditor" [ste | 44 | ISO 90000 |
2 | "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@ | 32 | RE: LR Problems |
3 | Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo1 | 21 | Re: LR Problems |
4 | Russell U Wilson [ruwst+ | 21 | Re: Who makes these tires? |
5 | "Boehme, Doug" [dboehme@ | 36 | Re: LR Problems |
6 | Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo1 | 28 | Re: LR Problems |
7 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 30 | Re: Who makes these tires? |
8 | g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald) | 13 | Disco rooves are ferrous |
9 | g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald) | 19 | Re: Who makes these tires? |
10 | Gordon Rea [grea@net.gov | 24 | Gain 80# overnight! |
11 | twakeman@scruznet.com (T | 20 | Stoves Ltd Rainhill???? |
12 | Jesse Furqueron [wjf@iex | 16 | Re: Disco rooves are ferrous |
13 | "Leon H. Akong" [akongl@ | 12 | Re: Gain 80# overnight! |
14 | lopezba@atnet.at | 38 | Re: Turner and QM |
15 | "S. Vels" [svels@mail-se | 30 | Re: ISO 90000 |
16 | Gordon Rea [grea@net.gov | 14 | technial quiz answer |
17 | "Deanna D. Sitter" [lani | 41 | grab bag |
18 | chrisste@clark.net (Chri | 18 | Series IIa Window Replacement |
19 | daviscar@cris.com | 51 | Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke |
20 | "Jason B. Carroll" [jaso | 43 | Series III Buying Advice |
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 09:13:07 EDT From: "ISO 90000 Auditor" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> Subject: ISO 90000 This standard (and the other ones 90001, 90002, 90003) can be a total waste of time. All that they show is that the company concerned have a set of quality control procedures which are well documented, suitable (decided by the auditor) and followed (again decided by the auditor). The cynic would say this shows they reliably make things badly. It gets worse. Anybody want to guess how to become an auditor? It's simple, you place an advert like this: ISO90001/2/3 audits done, send 1000 pounds in used notes to 110 Redlands Lane, Fareham, PO14 1HE, England. Please state which standard you would like. Include return address if you would like a certificate. Same day service. There is no control over the auditors. Don't expect anybody who claims ISO90000 to be better than someone who doesn't. The quality control system is all secret and you have to be a big customer to be allowed to have a look round most factories before you buy. Sad but true, there are no quality control standards for the quality control standard! BTW the above advert is genuine and anybody who does send the money will receive a totally correct and valid certificate. I can even EMAIL certificates if that is preferred. Cheers, Steve Steve Reddock, Xyratex | "NEVER QUESTION AN Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450 | ENGINEER'S OPINION, IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P) | YOU THUNDERING MORON !" Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | - Dogbert 1996 ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com> Subject: RE: LR Problems Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 09:39:00 CDT I had a Honda ('92 Civic Si)... Once... The engine block cracked right after the waranty ran out. So I bought a Land Rover. Yeah, I know, there is no logical step from one to the other, except for the fact that my Honda sucked. Douglas Boehme '95 Red D90 #2767 ---------- From: KKelly6788 Cc: ganchors Subject: LR Problems Date: Wednesday, July 03, 1996 4:11PM >I was just so amazed at >the problems people on the CSO list have had that I'm now expecting >the worst to happen. But I'm really glad I bought my D90s even if >means I'll have to eventally rebuild them from the ground up. Remember people don't post to the list that "the old Range Rover is still running great" I have not had a single thing break for quite a while (well, the fiber optic did pop out of the speedo pointer again). If you read the Honda/Acura list you will see a ton of blown engines, bad trannys and FI problems. Kevin Kelly ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 09:56:49 -0400 From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net> Subject: Re: LR Problems Boehme, Doug wrote: > I had a Honda ('92 Civic Si)... Once... The engine block cracked right > after the waranty ran out. So I bought a Land Rover. Yeah, I know, there > is no logical step from one to the other, except for the fact that my Honda > sucked. Doug, Are you trying to say your D90 sucks?! Maybe we should talk $$$. Nate Dunsmore Rocking Horse Farm Boring, MD 21020 dunsmo19@us.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu> Subject: Re: Who makes these tires? The best bet would be that they are a BF Goodrich tire. All the Major US tire companies produce "no-name" brands for sale in discount stores. Though BF Goodrich does more truck tires than the others. I can call a local tire store and try to find out which manufacturer made your tire though. Russ W. On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Jens Vesterdahl wrote: > Hi all. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)] > Happy Rovering > Jens Vesterdahl > Copenhagen, Denmark ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com> Subject: Re: LR Problems Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 10:48:00 CDT Sorry, I love my D90. I don't think I could ever part with it. (Of course I think I'd also like to have a FC101 and a SerIII 109 but they'll have to wait!) BTW, where is Boring, MD? Isn't all of Maryland boring? :> Just kidding... Seriously, maybe we could get together and go off-roading? Douglas Boehme '95 Red D90 #2767 ---------- From: LRO-Owner Subject: Re: LR Problems Date: Friday, July 05, 1996 9:56AM Boehme, Doug wrote: > I had a Honda ('92 Civic Si)... Once... The engine block cracked right > after the waranty ran out. So I bought a Land Rover. Yeah, I know, there > is no logical step from one to the other, except for the fact that my Honda > sucked. Doug, Are you trying to say your D90 sucks?! Maybe we should talk $$$. Nate Dunsmore Rocking Horse Farm Boring, MD 21020 dunsmo19@us.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 11:01:26 -0400 From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net> Subject: Re: LR Problems Boehme, Doug wrote: > Sorry, I love my D90. I don't think I could ever part with it. (Of course > I think I'd also like to have a FC101 and a SerIII 109 but they'll have to [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > BTW, where is Boring, MD? Isn't all of Maryland boring? :> > Just kidding... Seriously, maybe we could get together and go off-roading? Doug, I was sure you didn't mean that but ya can't blame me for trying. As for the Boring, We sit in Northern Baltimore County off Route 30 midway between Glyndon and Hampstead. Unfortunately, by '68 Ser IIa, while great for on road and light duty offroad, suffers from a previously wounded rear diff, which I cannot afford to presently replace. Therefore, I am limited to pastures and locales which are within walking distance of the house. But when I can afford a replacement.... (maybe at Mid Atlantic Rover Rally) Nate Dunsmore Rocking Horse Farm Boring, MD 21020 dunsmo19@us.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:46:24 -0400 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: Re: Who makes these tires? At 10:53 96-07-05, you wrote: Hi all. A few months back I got new tires all around my 109. I'm quite satisfied with them, but they are not marked with any manufacturer's name, so I'm a bit curious about where they're made. They are called "All Season King", dimensions are 235/85 and they are made in the USA. That's all I know. I suspect that some major tyre manufacturer sells these tires OEM or something. Does anybody know where they come from? I might be wrong, but I think that I saw these "All Season King" at the local Walmart. I will check next time I have to go by. Michel Bertrand Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) 1968 109 SW (ex-Nada) in the works 1973 88 SW (21st century project) Note new address: mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald) Subject: Disco rooves are ferrous Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 16:23:38 GMT Someone on the list sent me some email a week or two ago stating that he Disco roof is aluminum, as is the rest of the body. Funny that a magnet sticks to mine. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald) Subject: Re: Who makes these tires? Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 16:25:33 GMT On Fri, 05 Jul 96 10:53:02 , you wrote: . . . . >They are called "All Season King", dimensions are 235/85 and they are made in >the USA. That's all I know. It was (and maybe still is) the case that all tires made for sale in the U.S. (notice I did not say made in U.S.) had to have a number that identified the manufacturer. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 09:32:45 -0700 From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca> Subject: Gain 80# overnight! It's True! I gained ~20 lbs compression on each cylider when I did the compression tests again last night. I'm now at 145,140,140,140. How did I do it? Well, all I can say is that I probably soundn't have thrown out the little booklet that came with the compression tester before I read it (manual? I don't need no stinkin' manual!). I called my brother and told him about my low reading and he said " Did you ...". (Me)"Ahh, no. Am I suposed to?" Here is the technical quiz of the day: What didn't I do that caused the readings to be 20 lbs low? First correct answer wins a pint of my homebrew, "DiabolicAle" Cheers, Gordon P.S. EMail me as I'm on Digest mode. -- "For every problem, there is one solution which is simple, neat and wrong." - H.L.Mencken ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:10:51 -0700 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: Stoves Ltd Rainhill???? Does anyone know if Stoves Ltd Rainhill is still in business?? If they, are does anyone know if they have a parts centre where I might be able to purchase a stove top grill for a type 0174 stove??? Stoves don't work well without a grill, or at least my arm would get very tired holding a pan over a burner while food heats. Thanks TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 13:07:18 -0500 From: Jesse Furqueron <wjf@iex.com> Subject: Re: Disco rooves are ferrous The roof and wheelwells are ferrous metal, the body panels are an aluminum alloy... Jesse At 16:23 7/5/96 GMT, you wrote: >Someone on the list sent me some email a week or two ago stating that >he Disco roof is aluminum, as is the rest of the body. Funny that a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] >Gerald >g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 16:14:03 -0400 From: "Leon H. Akong" <akongl@tstt.net.tt> Subject: Re: Gain 80# overnight! >Here is the technical quiz of the day: >What didn't I do that caused the readings to be 20 lbs low? >First correct answer wins a pint of my homebrew, "DiabolicAle" You did not remove all the spark plugs. Jr ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:32:26 +0200 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Turner and QM Oh all my blue-eyed friends - >> Turner is ISO9002 approved, which covers all of this type of >> quality control, documentation etc. >Correct. If a call to Turner for information doesn't yield results, >this is what I'm trying to follow up on. The ISO9000 series of [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >the protocols make the documents public domain. If that is the case we >can find out what steps Turner takes in their manufacturing. ISO 900X just means that you have set up a quality assurance procedure (does not say it is good or bad), that you have documented the procedure and that you follow it. It definitely does *not* mean you turn out a good product, that is still up to what sort of procedures you follow. There is nothing to stop you from building Trabant cars, or whatever the current equivalent is, as long as you set up your quality assurance - let's say your declared standard is that piston diameter should not vary by more than 1/8 inch - , document your procedure and follow it, i.e. have somebody measuring piston diameter and reject everything that is more than 1/16 inch larger or smaller than specs. You would certainly get your ISO900X certificate, you engine would not necessarily be considered a good engine. It also definitely does not make your documentation public domain. Now this does not mean Turner produces bad engines - I have heard only praise for them so far - but it does not automatically mean the opposite, either. Sorry if that destroys anybody's illusions! Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1) ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:58:40 +0001 Subject: Re: ISO 90000 The ISO9000 system was never supposed to tell wether a product is god or bad. Neither was it supposed to be used by consumers. It is supposed to be used by the industry when trading parts and sub assemblies to ensure that quality is always the same. Good or bad. Of course theres a lot of inflation in these certificates these days. This reminds me of an Actual Reality story told by my friend who was on vacation on one of the Greek islands. He came across a small shop that sold brand T-shirts like Adidas, Marco Polo, Levis etc. "Hi, i would like one of those Adidas shirts" "What color you want mister?" "I think i'll have this grey one - medium size" "One moment mister" 'Bump - Psssshhhh - Clunck' "Here mister, 2 pounds!" One steaming fresh T-shirt with an Adidas logo across the chest. You can always get the badge you like and wear it. You can also hope that nobody asks where you got it. rgds sv/aurens ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 16:15:07 -0700 From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca> Subject: technial quiz answer Q: What caused Gordon's compression readings to be 20# low the first time. A: I didn't have the throtle and choke wide open when cranking the engine. (I think the choke was off, but throtle was at idle). I recieved a few good guesses by not the right one. I guess I'll have an extra pint this afternoon. Cheers, Gordon ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 18:30:29 -0800 From: "Deanna D. Sitter" <lani@alaska.net> Subject: grab bag Martin Farrall asked about using a heavy gear oil in his swivels. I say go ahead. I have been using 140 for years now in this aplication with no trouble during the summers. For our Alaska winters I use synthetic gear oil in all aplications, but it just leaks too much in the summer. I recently had the front end apart while changing to 3.8 gears and everything was in excelent shape. Gordon Rea asked about using a length of rope stuffed into a cylinder via the spark plug hole and then bringing the piston up against it to hold the valves in place while changing valve seals. It's a well proven trick aircraft mechanics have been using forever. Just make sure to leave a six or eight inch tail sticking out for removal. It sounds obvious but I know one A&P who, while in a hurry, accidentally stuffed the whole thing in and had to pull the cylinder to get it out. Just a reiteration on a point made against Halon for putting out fires. The fire does have a tendency to reignite. I recently read about two seperate incidents of this happening on small private aircraft while in flight. Spooky. As to engines, Ford SVO is selling new 5.0 v-8's complete with fuel injectors, manifolding, ignition, flywheel, clutch, and a few other things for around $2,200 US. Sure there is a lot more to get to do a quality engine swap, but for around 5 grand a person could put together a clean well built package. Anyone close to Oregon who is looking to get an engine swap done should go find Timm Cooper at Ships Mechanical in Portland. I have known him for many years as he used to live here in Alaska. He does the absolutely cleanest swaps I've ever seen. He can put just about any engine in a Rover a person could want, GM 6's, ford V-8's, or even more exotic stuff such as a Caddy 472. Tim Sitter Peter's Creek, Alaska U.S.A. ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Series IIa Window Replacement Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help on the broken windshield. I used all the advice: had a local glass shop cut two beautiful tinted panes; installed them and---YIKES---cracked the driver's side while tightening a retaining strip screw. Oh well, it gives the Rover character. Finally got the beast back together today. New paint (marine blue and limestone); freshly galvanized trim all around...ahhh it is better to look good than to feel good. Chris Stevens Towson, MD P.S. Need a top hoisted back on your Rover? Call Nate Dunsmore. He works for crabs, Thanks Nate. ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: daviscar@cris.com Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke At 01:08 PM 7/5/96, you wrote: Having a 'National' Rally in the center of the country (i.e. Sturgis, like we're Harley riders or something) puts it 1500 miles away from everybody instead of having it on one of the coasts and making it within a day's drive of half the Rover owners. First Bill If half the rovers are on the east coast and half the rovers are on the west coast, How the H**L did I get one in the midwest. You make it sound like if you don't live on a coast you are not worth sh*t. Now I will say the Illinios does not have the off road advatage the coasts may have but thet just means we have to be more creative. Also a NEW Chicago Land Rover Club was formed about two months ago and already has sixty (plus) members (e-mail me for details) The WHOLE idea of having it in the midwest was to get the most peaple possible to come and "do it big" for the 50th So if you can't Drive the 1500 miles or so to a midwest rally Let me know when your plane lands we will have someone to meet YOU at the airport. (gee don't that sound like fun!) Now that thats been said on to another thought. It has come up around here that the Britts do things like have a fund Raser to ship a lr ambulance to africa or someplace that realy needs it. Well how about doing something more with the National Rally then Just go and do the Normal stuff (car Show, swap meet, drive off road and have a lot of fun.) How about doing something like help the park service clean up an area of the park like the fire roads (or even make some new ones) I am sure an offer of couple hundred 4x4's to do something POSITIVE would not be refused and we could still do the normal stuff. or how about we all find some sponsers for a so much a mile charity type thing. That way WE (all the LRs there) would be helping people as well as having fun. Just some thoughts from the lost middle coast. I volunteer myself to organize the east coast one next year. Anyone else wish to join in? Bruce 67 SIIA 88 Patches WANTED pre 1968 109 In USA Daviscar@concentric.net Or BDaviscar@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason B. Carroll" <jasonc@csdnet.com> Subject: Series III Buying Advice I am hoping that someone can give some advice to a Land Rover fan, and hopefully future buyer. I am looking at buying a Series IIa or III 88" Land Rover in the Portland, OR area. I have looked at a few, but I found one recently that I am pretty interested. The vehicle in question is a 1974 Series III 88". It's in pretty good shape with a few dings and dents. The engine has pretty even compression (with a non-standard Rochester carb), the frame appears fine without any rust (it's been located the Pacific Northwest). The interior is okay with some non-standard gauges, and the middle part of the dash missing. The interior door panels are gone, and there is a tear on the drivers seat. It has a tropical roof, and no back seats. The current owner is a member in the local LRO club, and seems to be a nice and honest fellow. He has redone the rear axle and gone through the brakes, including the master cylinder. So, it seems pretty good. The only problem is that the steering seems to kind of jump around sometimes. The owner showed me all of linkages and stuff for the front end, and vouches that they are in good shape. He thinks it may be that the bushings on the leaf springs are too worn and loose, and it's causing some slop. He said that when it's up on jacks the steering seems fine. It isn't too bad, but does seem to be more than the standard LR vagueness. It seems to mostly happen at 30+ MPH, when the road is bumpy or uneven. He is asking $7,000 for it, and he is slightly flexible. So...does anyone have any advice, comments or criticism? If possible could you please send a copy directly to my address since I am on the digest? Thanks!! --Jason B. Carroll _______________________________________ Chicken Scratch Design E-Mail--> jasonc@csdnet.com CompuServe --> 71234,442 http://www.csdnet.com/~csdesign _______________________________________ ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960706 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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