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Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 08:41:19 -0400 From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net> Subject: 109 5 door hoop set? Hi all, Just a question, my wife asked me if 5 door 109's can be fitted with hoop set and canvas top. Don't ask why she asked, it may ruin the karma :-)> (<- note the goutee'). Thanks Nate Dunsmore Rocking Horse Farm Boring, MD 21020 dunsmo19@us.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:11:29 +0100 From: mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk (Martin Farrall) Subject: Leaking swivelpin housing Our nearly 3 year old, 50K mile Disco TDi, started to leak from the big inboard oil seal in the swivel-pin housing a few months back. It is a minor hassle to check the level and requires only occasional top ups. Of course, it makes a bit of a mess (which complements the minor leaks from just about every seal and gasket) but no oil is getting anywhere near the brakes so I'm putting up with it. I plan to replace it when the hub needs stripping down for bearings or whatever to be replaced as from the manual, it strikes me as a lot of fiddle for a stupid and I presume fairly harmless leak. It has been suggested by my farming chums that I should shove a heavier (?EP120) oil in to slow the leak. Any comments on my conservative approach would be appreciated. TIA. Martin Farrall ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Calling Discovery Owners (fwd) Why let the Brits have all the fun. I am sure that our friends south of the border (the non-Pink bit on maps of North America) would be delighted to fill LRO's mailbox with comments... :-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:55:15 +0100 From: Land Rover Owner magazine <lro@maxcom.demon.co.uk> Subject: Calling Discovery Owners Land Rover Owner International magazine will be featuring in a forthcoming issue the definitive guide to buying a Land Rover Discovery. If you've had any experiences with these vehicles -- good or bad -- we'd be delighted to hear from you. We'd particularly like tales of reliability or otherwise, best places to buy, treatment from dealers etc. What do you use yours for? What advice would you give potential purchasers? We look forward to hearing from you... -- Land Rover Owner magazine ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 10:31:32 EDT dkm1955@aol.com, rmodica@east.pima.edu, 101730.2521@compuserve.com, 100234.1347@compuserve.com, afsafmags@labyrinth.net.au, DSTIGLIN@x400.telkom400.inca.za, SHOGZ@Protem.uct.ac.za, ron-webb@pixie.co.za, pak00432@pixie.co.za, kolega@townsqr.com, cn3434@coastalnet.com, zink@ns.oon.or.jp, cethered@mic10.redstone.army.mil Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 07:14:26 PST Subject: Fourth of July Message-ID: <19960704.071629.4527.0.rhodesia@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4 HAPPY 4TH OF JULY TO ALL OF YOU, EVEN IF YOU AREN'T AMERICAN. CHEERS CHRIS WHITEHEAD ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:56:01 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Leaking swivelpin housing You wrote: >It has been suggested by my farming >chums that I should shove a heavier (?EP120) oil in to slow the leak. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] >TIA. >Martin Farrall That might stop or slow the leak, but it will proportionately stop or slow the lubrication of the joints. This is an analogous issue to the SPOT of stuffing grease into the housing - not good. Personally I'd rather swap the seal out than the joint; the choice is yours :) cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:08:48 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Turner Engines, how do they do it? You wrote: >I am wondering what Turner does to their >2.25 l motors to get extra power. Do they [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] >oneself instead of spending big$$$ on an >import or a potentially troublesome >motor swap. I've not seen Turner's exact procedures (yet - I'm working on getting hold of them :) ). They definitely do not scratch manufacture. I understand that they use stock parts BUT match/balance etc. to get to "blueprint" tolerances. This would be very difficult to do here in the US since you'd have to order parts, check them, return those out of spec., re-order, etc. until complete. I don't know to what extent they port/polish etc. I don't believe they do this, but am not certain (not having had my Turner apart :) ). By the way Turner, does not claim the 2.25l rebuild are build for high performance (i.e. tuned/rebuilt for power). Rather they claim a high quality rebuild. The extra power reported by various sources (e.g. the RN catalog) seems to be incidental to the care taken in reassembly. I will say that my Turner turns over very smoothly and quietly (I also had the flywheel balanced); HOWEVER, I do not have a lot of stock 2.25 l experience to compare it too, so beware of any recommendations from me :). There's a lot of legitimate debate over the merits of a Turner vs. a US rebuild, mostly centered on opinions of cost vs. end performance. I would note that there shouldn't be much trouble on an engine swap if you're currently running a 2.25l petrol; this is what I did with no real problems (trivial wiring differences between late and early blocks involving the choke). cheers, Jeremy P.S. You're probably aware of the secondary issue of buying through RN vs. importing from the UK - not really a problem in Canada, but relevant to warranty assistance vs. up front cost. ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Turner Engines, how do they do it? On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > "blueprint" tolerances. This would be very difficult to do here in the > US since you'd have to order parts, check them, return those out of > spec., re-order, etc. until complete. Turner is ISO9002 approved, which covers all of this type of quality control, documentation etc. > P.S. You're probably aware of the secondary issue of buying through RN > vs. importing from the UK - not really a problem in Canada, but > relevant to warranty assistance vs. up front cost. I was curious yesterday... Subject: Turner engines Got curious: 2.25l 3mb diesel, zeus timing gears fitted L1,595 2.25l 5mb diesel, zeus, flywheel/housing fitted L1,850 2.5l diesel L2,150 2.5l turbo diesel L2,550 2.25l 3mb petrol, lead free L1,095 2.25l 3mb petrol, lead free, high performance L1,145 Seafreight - CIF Montreal - docks L150.00 Airfreight - CIF Ottaea - uncleared L281.00 These are all long blocks, stripped engines. ie on the petrol, add a starter, distributor, fan, carb, etc. On the diesel add injectors, distributor pump, etc. For fun: Rovers North wants US$2,995 for the high performance engine. This is at their door. To bring this to something constant and unreal (ie Northern Peso's) this is approximately C$4,102.73. Now I own it and have to get it out their door. The Turner costs L1,145 or $C2,145.95 plus shipping (and we will be lazy here and do air) of C$592.91 for a total of C$2,738.86. We have omitted our favoured Goods and Services tax (soon to be combined with the Provincial sales taxes at 15% and turned into a VAT) because it may not be applicable on the Rovers North purchase (Charlie offered me once the garage space to do the swap down there), but there is a core charge from RN, there is not a core charge from Turner (the result of a phone conversation last year when I told Frida Turner that she would basically get an engine back that had sat in a stream for the last twenty years. ie. They wouldn't want what I shipped them. They agreed) Don't know the core charge offhand, so: GST (Turner) C$191.72 for a new total of $2,930.58 GST (RN) C$287.19 for a new total of $4,389.92 Now, for our friends south of the border in the un-pink area of North America rubbing shoulders with Jesse Helms, you have decided that you want a Turner. You know the RN price, plus the core charge, what does the Turner cost if you buy via Canada. Well... C$2,930.58 = US$2,139.32 RN at their door, no sale on, = US$2,995 + Core. Where do you buy? ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JDolan2109@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:31:26 -0400 Subject: National Rally... Pappa Sappa (Black Hills) sounds good to me. I stopped by Sturgis last August on my way back to Vt. from Co. to see the HD rally, and can say that they do allow/support gatherings. Another possibility would be to move over a bit to around Mule Creek Junction, Wyoming. Surely there's a land owner (*BIG* ranches) there who would be open to such a thing. I think a town near there, Wells or something, is totally wired, and maybe someone could access someone in that community to help find a locale. I'd try that myself, but my poor little computer is maxed out just keeping up with the LROD... Didn't go to the 'National Rally' in Co., as it was limited to the first 25 vehicles or something. Didn't understand, didn't even investigate. Apparently philosophies are changing... I think I'll be at the national rally this weekend, provided everything holds together... see 'ya on the old road... Jim '61 LR 88" SW w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?) "Nicky" LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net> Subject: RE: How to find trails that lead to lake side camping sites in California? Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:19:58 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A good place to camp near many lakes a few hours from SF is Jackson = Meadows, Bowman lake area N 39* 27 ,W 120* 36. Take I80 east till you = get to the highway 20 exit take it go about 3 miles turn right on Bowman = road and drive about 15 miles back to Bowman Lake, there are numerous = roads back there and some beautiful camping areas. Get a DeLorome = Northern Cal map and go. ---------- David Mercer PO BOX 2570 Olympic Valley CA 96146 ph 916-583-4150 fax 916-583-4829 merkin@sierra.net 53 S1 80" 57 S1 107" SW, FOR SALE 63 SII 88" 65 SII 88", FOR SALE 66 SII 88" 86 MB 280GE ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB698B.FBE0B980 ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:47:40 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Turner Engines, how do they do it? You wrote: > Turner is ISO9002 approved, which covers all of this type of > quality control, documentation etc. Correct. If a call to Turner for information doesn't yield results, this is what I'm trying to follow up on. The ISO9000 series of protocols call for documentation of the manufacturing procedure, the procedure is also audited by a certified individual. I believe that the protocols make the documents public domain. If that is the case we can find out what steps Turner takes in their manufacturing. >> P.S. You're probably aware of the secondary issue of buying through > I was curious yesterday... > I was curious yesterday... snip > GST (Turner) C$191.72 for a new total of $2,930.58 > GST (RN) C$287.19 for a new total of $4,389.92 snip > Where do you buy? > GST (RN) C$287.19 for a new total of $4,389.92 Your costs come surprisingly close to my analysis for the US. Even buying via second party in the UK (necessary to avoid the exclusive contract Turner has with RN for the US), my total cost including sea freight, customs, dock extortion, etc. came to about $2,225 US (I don't think there was a core charge included in that but even if there was..). RN's core charge is $500. Even at their sale prices that puts them, with US delivery of $300, at about $3,600. Off sale is closer to $4,000 US. So where DID I buy ? :) cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 13:08:15 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Nat Rally in middle is a joke Having a 'National' Rally in the center of the country (i.e. Sturgis, like we're Harley riders or something) puts it 1500 miles away from everybody instead of having it on one of the coasts and making it within a day's drive of half the Rover owners. More practical would be to make it like a convention where it moves locations yearly in order to accomodate people in different areas of the country. Keeping it in one place would lead to staleness and disinterest, not to mention rancor (from those unable to attend year after year). Let the west coast folks host it one year and the east coast the next. That way, if people wish to attend they can at least fly in without having to mortgage the kids to do it. I volunteer myself to organize the east coast one next year. Anyone else wish to join in? Bill Adams 3Dmentia computer animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington, MD 20895 301-949-9475 '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:33:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu> Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote: > Having a 'National' Rally in the center of the country (i.e. Sturgis, like > we're Harley riders or something) puts it 1500 miles away from everybody Slow down before you say something bad about Harley people > More practical would be to make it like a convention where it moves locations > yearly in order to accomodate people in different areas of the country. This is the most intelligent idea I've yet heard on this whole subject of a "National Ralley". It is one thing for the Brits to have a "Billings" in the same spot every year. But it's another thing entirely for the folks in the USA/Canada to try the same trick because of the size of the area involved. > Keeping it in one place would lead to staleness and disinterest, not to > mention rancor (from those unable to attend year after year). This is a good point. It would be interesting to have it move from location to location.....hosted by local clubs??? > Let the west coast folks host it one year and the east coast the next. That > way, if people wish to attend they can at least fly in without having to > mortgage the kids to do it. The travel has nothing to do with it....you mortage the kids to get the new Marsland Frame ;) Russ W. 67 RHD 88 "The Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote: > Having a 'National' Rally in the center of the country (i.e. Sturgis, like > we're Harley riders or something) puts it 1500 miles away from everybody > instead of having it on one of the coasts and making it within a day's drive > of half the Rover owners. Very true, but it is probably the only opportunity to get east and west coast folks together at one place, or at least those that might be interested to travel a bit of a distance. You make an interesting argument for rallies on either coast, but for all purposes, the east coast has the OVLR Birthday Party in June, the BSROA Fall Heritage Rally in September, the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally in October, British Car Day in Bowie in June, the Downeast Rally in July, the British Invasion in September. East coast wise we have quite a few to choose from. To do anything in 1998 for the 50th anniversary of Land Rover I can assure you that on the east coast, not only will all the clubs be doing their rallies as above, but will probably be doing something together in some mid-point. (OVLR, BSROA, and ROAV have discussed this in the past for 1998). Besides the Pacific Coast Rover Club, I am not sure what other large rallies there are on the west coast (outside the many that the Mendo-list seems to have come by) > More practical would be to make it like a convention where it moves locations > yearly in order to accomodate people in different areas of the country. We need some sort of umbrella national organisation to help organise this (Down Michael down...) which currently does not exist to co-ordinate the clubs. We are discussing something in the centre, basically for the people on these lists right now. As for a truly "National Rally", that is just a name, a designation. To move it about as you describe all we have to do is get a list of the large rallies (and this exists) and move the label around. Flip a coin who gets it one year. This year can be the Solihull Society (the "name" was actually first used by LROA in the ancient past, then "appropriated by SS (big deal)), Pacific Coast next year, the Mid-Atlantic the next, Birthday Party after that, Bay State after that. Maybe by then LROA will be ready to organise one for the west coast... ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 11:03:38 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us> In message <bulk.17933.19960704100556@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write: > More practical would be to make it like a convention where it moves locations > yearly in order to accomodate people in different areas of the country. This is what the ARC does in the UK. Each year a different club organizes the event. Over the last year or so I know a number of people have been talknig about creating a US Association of Rover Clubs (or maybe a North America ARC so the Canadians don't feel excluded) with the purpose of exchanging information between clubs and running a National Rallye. Unfortunatly those that were doing the talking have thier hands full with running the local clubs. If such and organization was to be created, it would be an ideal way to organize such an event. Swapping coasts is a good idea. I think an even better idea would be to add a midwest one to make a 3 year rotation. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 11:06:56 -0600 From: "Darrell D. Murray" <rdgrnr@flash.net> Subject: National Rally/Federal Parks and Lands There our Parks and we should be able to use them. How do the Parks handle all the other thousands of individual visitors? They must have hundreds visiting every day? Any way, you do need permits for groups of vehicles/peoples attending the parks. The Local National Forest, I off road in, has a 4x4 user as the Boss, so it's easier here, with out the tree huggers crying foul-in charge of that office, to get out in the forest. So little remains of our access to trails by vehicles, we need to get on the ball and write our government and insist they re-open the off road trials to off road vehicles! It's our land! The Constitution, (or some other important founding father's writtings/documents, such as the bill of rights.) states, that no one will be denied access through or across lands held in the public trust!(not excat words), but it seems today, the government doesn't respect the rights of it's citizens very much anymore. Darrell, Discovery owner, serious user and abuser, of my vehicle, but not neglected! rdgrnr@flash.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:35:38 -0700 From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com> Subject: LR Olympics (was: Nat Rally in middle is a joke) At 11:03 AM 7/4/96 -0700, Benjamin Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote: > Swapping coasts is a good idea. I think an even better idea would >be to add a midwest one to make a 3 year rotation. I like it!! Why not a four year rotation with one year in Canada? This way every four years would be one Land Rover MEGA-Rally in your own neighborhood, so to speak (just like the Olympics, he he). For the 1998 rally I might suggest St. Louis, MO the traditional American jumping off point for settlers, the seperation between east and west. The Flatland Rovers assure me that St Louis has a national park a few miles west which has off-road trails and is quite hilly. The scenery is supposedly quite alluring, but can always be enhanced by Land-Rovers :) Cheers, ______ Michael Carradine [__[__\== Rumpole of the Bay 510-988-0900 [________] Land-Rover Roughmobile cs@crl.com __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^ '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88") _______________________________________________________________________ Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page: http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > Swapping coasts is a good idea. I think an even better idea would > be to add a midwest one to make a 3 year rotation. An ideal solution, but... To do a large rally you need a local infrastructure, or a solid club. The west coast has the Mendo-list Pacific Coast, possibly LROA. The rest of the clubs are very small, but potential candidates. In the midwest we have the Solihull Society in Colarado which is good sized. The rest are smaller at this time. The east is littered with clubs, four of which Virginia, Blue Ridge, Bay State, Ottawa are good sized. Of course, you could always start to look towards BP, RN etc. to do something too, if not just be asked to support the Rally. Numbers right now imply that there would more east coast venues, but at the rate clubs are appearing and existing ones growing, this could all change very quickly ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: harincar@internet.mdms.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:18:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Turner Engines, how do they do it? One thing to add to the cost of a turner from RN - don't forget the restoration program discount. I don't have the numbers handy, but I think you'd get 10 or 15 percent back (in RN merchandise) on a purchase over $2K. Thats another $300 to $450 discount. Although still more than buying direct from the UK, we're getting close to the Hassle Factor. If the difference works out to only a couple hundred bucks... Tim --- tim harincar harincar@mooregs.com '66 IIa 88 SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: harincar@internet.mdms.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:25:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke > Having a 'National' Rally in the center of the country (i.e. Sturgis, like > we're Harley riders or something) puts it 1500 miles away from everybody > instead of having it on one of the coasts and making it within a day's drive > of half the Rover owners. So you hold a 'national rally' on a coast. BFD. Whats the difference between that and any other coastal rally, except a title? Do you really think that giving it a new title will draw people from the opposite side of the continant? Not likely. Rather, you'll see the same old people you always do, except for maybe a couple of die hards that drive a long ways. And isn't that the point? You have local rallies to see the people in your neighborhood, you have a national rally to see the people from around the country. In order to get people from all over, you need to minimize the amount that has to be driven for everyone. > More practical would be to make it like a convention where it moves locations > yearly in order to accomodate people in different areas of the country. You don't typically bring your car to a convention. *Everyone* flys so it doesn't matter where you put it. Flying to a car rally is a bit like going to the beach in business clothes. Sure, the water *looks* fun... > Keeping it in one place would lead to staleness and disinterest, not to > mention rancor (from those unable to attend year after year). Coming from someone who can attend 4 or 5 rallies a year. I bet the black hills are bigger than Maryland. Do you *know* how long it would take to explore that? And that is not the only interesting place in the midwest. We could hold it once every three years, 'in the middle', so it doesn't get stale. You gotta make people *want* to drive 1500 miles in a series Rover, Much less 3000. Who's going to sacrifice 2 weeks of vacation to drive from one coast to the other? Most people could do the midwest on a week. Doing it every year and moving it around will just make people wait until it comes around home. Tim --- tim harincar harincar@mooregs.com '66 IIa 88 SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 13:33:17 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us> In message <bulk.603.19960704125241@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write: > We could hold it once every three years, 'in the middle', so it doesn't get > stale. You gotta make people *want* to drive 1500 miles in a series Rover, > Much less 3000. Who's going to sacrifice 2 weeks of vacation to drive from > one coast to the other? Most people could do the midwest on a week. I must be one of the crazy ones. The only thing that stops me from attending all of the Rallyes is vacation time. (Well gas money too sometimes) Everyone should experience a 3000 mile trek in a Sereis Rover at least once. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Nat Rally in middle is a joke On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Russell U Wilson wrote: > This is a good point. It would be interesting to have it move from > location to location.....hosted by local clubs??? For those interested, the rallies in North America that I know of that have more than about thirty Land Rovers at them are listed at: http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/Events/annual_events.html If anyone has more information on those I missed, or more details etc, drop a line. We will fix it up. If the threshold should be dropped below thirty, send a list of the rallies, when they generally are, where, size, sponsor, events, age. Missing is the annual rally held by the Pacific Coast Rover club (Northwest Challenge?) Anyone have information on this? ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:19:30 -0500 (CDT) From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca> Subject: Re: National Ralley Well Tim, If you held it in the National Forest at Bimiji, I guess a few of us from Manitoba could help out. Things like letter writing and that sort of thing would be no problem. That area has some nice logging trails, fishing, camping etc. Fall after mosquitoes or spring before would be a great time. Dave VE4PN ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:49:20 -0500 (CDT) From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca> Subject: re: national rally I think Sturgis has been the location of some great motorcycle get togethers over the years. They are probably used to "nuts" like us :-) Dave VE4PN] ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 04 Jul 96 18:56:33 EDT From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Rebuilding Trans I am rebuilding my SerIII transmission and in the process replaced 1st and 2nd gears. I have put it back together, but can hear a constant knocking in the transmission. Nothing seems to make it disappear, and 1st gear seems to make it a little louder. I have basically limited it to either the layshaft or 1st,2nd or 3rd gear since these are constantly turning, and everything else has been swapped out without making a difference. Also I didn't notice this with the old gears in. I don't notice any imperfections on the gears, but am about to pull the mainshaft out for the fourth time to scrutinize them. I can't hear anything when I turn the input shaft by hand, it only appears when it starts turning at engine speed. I would appreciate any suggestions, I am about to go crazy trying to get this done in time for nationals. ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| (404) 875-4537 | | ### | | | | ####### | | 1972 SerIII 88 |_____|_#######_|_____| 1990 RangeRover [_______________________] 1996 Discovery EEEI EEEI Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 04-Jul-1996 ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 15:57:52 -0700 From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Compression test question!! David Place wrote: > Try checking the valve stem seals especially watch for smoke when you > start up after sitting for awhile. They are easy to change and if you > use the spark plug adapter that puts compressed air into the plug hole, > you don't have to remove the head to put a new seal in. Dave VE4PN I'm going to do this on saturday. I did the tilt test again last night with the same results. ~15degree to the left, smoke. ~15deg up, smoke. 15deg down, smoke. 15deg right, NO smoke!. I waas told of another way of changing the valve seals that sounds even easier.: Pull the plugs, insert ~12" of rope into the spark plug hole. Use the crank to raise the piston up untill it pushes the rope against the valves. Remove the springs. This way you don't have to worry about losing pressure and droping a valve. Sounds good to me. Can anyone see a problem with this method? Regards, Gordon ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:20:41 -0700 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: Getting excited about Billing '96 I just received my field camping pass for Billing along with the show guide. i guess its time to start getting excited. Looks like there will be Keith Hart's open air classroom for off road driving techniques, and one for Winching and recovery techniques plus much more, A partial list of companys include:Arrow Services, John Craddock,Derbyshire Land Rover SparesM M&M Land Rover Spares(used parts), B. J. Acoustics, Warwick 4X4, Trakkers, Mantec Services, Safety Devices, Dakar Cars, Paddock, Acoustikit, Servicetune, E.G.R., Caranex, W&H Wheel carriers, Famous Four, National power steering, and many more, including used parts dealers. Plus who knows what private individuals will be bringing to sell. Oh & a few Land Rovers will be there as well. I'm lookin forward to this one! TeriAnn twakeman@scruznet.com <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mage <mage@cia.com> Subject: Re: Turner Engines, how do they do it? Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:39:30 +0100 At 09:47 AM 04/07/96 -0700, you wrote: >Correct. If a call to Turner for information doesn't yield results, >this is what I'm trying to follow up on. The ISO9000 series of [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >the protocols make the documents public domain. If that is the case we >can find out what steps Turner takes in their manufacturing. ISO does not make procedures public domain. The auditors normally sign confidentiality agreements before being allowed to audit. If this were not the case, you could find out any trade secret you wanted. eg. the formula for "classic" coke, alloy composition of certain metals, etc.... Rick ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 10:53:02 From: "Jens Vesterdahl" <jve@phaseone.dk> Subject: Who makes these tires? Hi all. A few months back I got new tires all around my 109. I'm quite satisfied with them, but they are not marked with any manufacturer's name, so I'm a bit curious about where they're made. They are called "All Season King", dimensions are 235/85 and they are made in the USA. That's all I know. I suspect that some major tyre manufacturer sells these tires OEM or something. Does anybody know where they come from? Happy Rovering Jens Vesterdahl Copenhagen, Denmark ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 05:15:59 -0600 From: Bill Anchors <ganchors@Bledsoe.Net> Subject: Nashville LR dealership, receiver winch mounts & lights Friends, I want to thank everyone for responding to my question regarding the possibility of moving my Defender 90's emergency brake handle to the right side of the transmission hump for more leg room, and for your responses regarding the trouble I had at the LR dealer in Nashville. I had, in fact, complained over the phone for nearly an hour to LRNA but the representative seemed totally indifferent to what I had to say. I never heard from her again, and did not pursue the subject. Maybe I should have, now that I've heard other complaints about the dealer. The bottom line for me was that since I only have two dealers to chose from for service, it was probably best not to alienate the people there completely. I might eventually regret it even though I have no plans on ever returning. On another subject, I'd like to add some thoughts about the recent discussions on receiver hitch winch mounts. After trying to use such a set up for a year, I finally gave up because, although the idea of being able to winch forward or back was appealing, in practice this system just doesn't work because: 1.Trying to install 100 pounds of winch and mount was difficult under the best circumstances (such as in your driveway) but nearly impossible once stuck in deep, slimy mud where it's difficult to stand up let alone carry a winch. Trying to wrestle one through mud can be downright dangerous. 2.In this case you then discover that your low hanging receiver is below the water/mud line. Oh, joy! Winching can be tough enough without going through this. And since your receiver is low, so will be your winch. If it is underwater how do you see if the cable is being taken in correctly or is about to jam up from reeling in on one side? You could conceivably find yourself without an operable winch and really stuck. 3.The receiver hitches are not study enough for big winches. And although some digest readers have recommended a medium size winch for their vehicles, I'm a firm believer in bigger is better. I once drove through the run-off by-products of an active mining operation. Whatever the substance was it seemed to be a cross between mud and Super Glue! My pickup sank immediately up to the frame and the Warn 9000i refused to budge the truck. We doubled the line but then started pulling down trees without making any forward progress (yes, I believe it Tread Lightly, but we were in a totally trashed mining area and was more concerned about getting out than a couple of dying trees). We finally broke lose by using an extension cable to reach a substantial enough anchor point - but even then the brand new 9000i (with a double line and 18,000 pounds of pull) could barely cope. I was only ever stuck once this bad, but it was enough to learn a valuable lesson. Although a Range Rover might get by with an 8,000 or 6,000 pound winch, I'd use an 8,000 as an absolute minimum for a heavy Defender. The fact that Land Rover switched to a 9,000 pound winch is sufficient evidence that 8,000 was too small. Of course, an extremely heavy 12,000 pound unit would probably be overkill and create more problems than it would solve, but a 10,000 pound winch would not be out of hand - although not on a receiver hitch! 4.After wrestling through the mud once with the winch to install it, I began leaving it mounted on the front or back of my truck. This was unacceptable also - on the front it was consistently impaled into the ground on steep slopes, and on the rear was dragged through the dirt. Receiver mounts are simply too low. 5.Adding to all of this, where do you put 100 pounds of steel and iron when not in use? I tossed mine into the pickup bed figuring its own weight would keep it in place. Wrong! It slid all over until fastened down, although I never did find an acceptable method to secure it. If you are carrying one inside a sport utility you'd better find a very secure place for it. A rollover with a loose winch inside could ruin your whole day - and possibly kill someone. I eventually fabricated a mount on the rear of my truck for a second winch and bought a bumper mount for the front - yet another lesson learned the hard ($$$) way. Receiver mounts are acceptable for light duty off roading (where you probably wouldn't need one anyway) and might be more practical in a dry environment, but they are still the least desirable mounting system. Lastly, keep in mind that hidden winch mounts (such as on 1994 Defenders) are also a compromise design intended mainly to keep an unsightly winch off the front of the vehicle. This is understandable for a vehicle used for daily transportation, but off road it also suffers from being down low, catching all sorts of debris (Warn winches are NOT waterproof, by the way) and making it difficult or impossible to see the cable as it is being spooled on. These observations are not meant to be critical of anyone using this set up, but is something to keep in mind. For heavy duty off roading I've found that the winch should be kept as high (and dry) as possible. Keep in mind that my observations are from dealing with typical southern terrain: lots of deep mud. Other conclusions might be reached under different off-roading conditions. I hope this information will be of help to someone. Question: I didn't buy dealer-installed lights on either of my D90s as the roll bar mounting would no longer make it possible to get my trucks in the garage. I want to install lights on the bumper but haven't a clue as to where to route the wiring or where to put the switch. How is it done at the dealership? Bill Anchors 1995 Defender 90 ragtop 1995 Defender 90 station wagon ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960705 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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