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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:16:09 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: National Ralley

Hello All,

Here's an idea. I realize that everyone would like to see a huge organized
ralley in Middle America, but how about a huge gathering 60's style. By
doing this we would lift a huge burden off the poor rover-owner or owners
who would have to tackle the organization. National Parks are free to the
public. We could decide on a location and all meet there on a specific
date. It would be a good idea to contact the US Forest Service and let them
know what was going to happen, but other than that, it wouldn't take too
much planning. Everyone could bring what they needed to camp and eat.

I've noticed that ralley information travels really well by word of mouth.
Once the large vendors hear about it I'm sure they would show up.

Logging roads are usually open to offroaders and excursions could take
place whenever a group wanted to depart. Maps of all National Forest lands
can be purchased from the US Forestry Service.

Land Rover owners are an eclectic bunch and are usually up for anything and
I think this sort of idea just might work.

Just a thought,

Jim

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:33:50 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: LRO's in Africa

Howdy Folks !,

If there are any people on this list (active or silent) that live in 
AFRICA, NOT SOUTH AFRICA ! please contact me via the digest or directly
because I'd like to visit if possible on my trip from Pretoria, SA to
London, UK in 1997.

PS: I will be posting a note to all the people interested in info concerning
4wd travel in AFRICA.

Cheers Brian 

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:52:13 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: TURBO, TURBO

Ha !!

Been there done that.

here's the nitty gritty...

Series 3 1973 '88 Pick-up (8:1) compression 3rd gear 750x16 tyres     
Water injection (not enough money for an intercooler)
Garrett T3  Inlet 0.4AR Outlet .45 AR

Torque S        194     201     198     187     165     137
Hp S            20      28      35      40      41      37          
Torque T        241     290     313     303     277     243
Hp T            25      41      56      66      71      71

Out runs a Defender 110 from zero to 100 Kph.

It was awsome intill the oilcooler pipe jumped off and killed the turbo.
Now I have a diesel with exhaust manufold branch and 2.25' free flow.
VERY nice!

Cheers
Brian
South Africa 

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:19:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Anyone Seen Leslie Stutsman?

Howdy.
Has anyone seeen or heard from Leslie lately?

thnx
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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:07:42 -0500
Subject: Re:  National Ralley

Jim wrote...

> It would be a good idea to contact the US Forest Service

You bet it would, and thats where the fun'd begin :-) Here's how the 
conversation might go:

LR: Hello? Mr. Ranger? Just wanted to let you know that a few of
    my Land Rover friends are going to have a little get-together
    in Superior Nat. Forest.
Ranger: Oh? How many vehicles?
LR: Ummm, couple hundred, maybe...
Ranger: Couple *hundred*???
LR: Yes'r...
Ranger: Is this some kind of rally?
LR: Well, yeah. Its the Land Rover 50th anniversary national rally.
Ranger: Oh, I see. You got a permit to hold a rally on federal land?
LR: Uh, no sir.
Ranger: Gotta get one. Whatta 'bout insurance?
LR: Insurance?
Ranger: Gotta have insurance for a rally. Federal law.
LR: Oh. Where to I get a permit?
Ranger: Dept of interior in Washington. Got potties?
LR: Potties?
Ranger: Yeah, ya know, port-o-johns. We got no facilities that can
        handle a "couple hundred" vehicles fulla people who gotta go,
        ya know? (mumbling) Ain't enough trees in the forest...
        
...And so on for about 45 minutes. That leaves you with a list of about
20 other places you need to call. I don't know for sure that you need
a permit or insurance to have a rally on federal land. You *do* need
both to have a rally on state land in minnesota, so I would suspect the
same may be true for the feds.

BTW, just so we're all clear on this: I am NOT volunteering to do this.
Say again: NOT volunteering :-) I will *help*, if necessary. I'm a 
one man show here, and there is no way I'll pretend that I could do
it myself...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW "...not signin' up for nothin'..."

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:39:36 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Engine Swaps

> Anyway, if anybody has any wisdom on performance mods and what they
> gained please post.
;
Check with Steve at British Pacific in California.  He has worked out a
balanced set of mods to provide a strong yet dependable 2.25 L petrol
engine.  He is suggesting it as an alternative to engine swaps.  I don't
have their email address with me but I think its britpac@aol.com

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:10:44 -0500
Subject: Re:  Anyone Seen Leslie Stutsman?

Not since last october. We had tentative plans to get together for a couple
beers, but it never happened...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re2: Congradulations Guys!

On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Michael Carradine wrote:

>   Down Dixon, down ....good boy!  :)

	Nice to see the exec of LROA still thinks of the non-California 
	members in the same way it has in the past... :-)

>   the plan is to extend memberships until the proper number of issues have
>   been published.  At least, I will make such a motion at the July 21 meeting.

	And this thought occurred when?  Hmmm, someone is listening to
	one of their more favourite members?  Naw...

>   Your critcism is well deserved.  It's no secret that the LROA is having
>   growing problems, brought on in part by it's sheer size, diversity of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>   different agenda and is coming around to serving its 850+ members with a
>   renewed organization and continued enthusiasm.  Stay tuned!

	The only difference between LROA and the regional clubs is size
	of membership (though combined they are probably larger than LROA).
	They don't seem to have problems with diversity of membership,
	geographic vastness (some have members a continent away) that you
	would attribute to a local club of twenty people.  This different
	agenda.  Sounds fascinating.  Every other Rover club I can think 
	of has events, off-roading, newsletter etc at the top of their
	agenda.  Yours is different (infrequent AW, zero events for years)
	and you seem enthusiastic about this.  I look forward to seeing
	the future evolution of LROA.  

	BTW, Brad's article was as interesting for what it said as for what
	it didn't say.  As for other articles in the past, Pacific Coast
	has had at least one article on their rally in LRO, ROAV has had
	an article on the Mid-Atlantic, the Downeast has been in LRW, 
	BSROA, ROAV, OVLR, PCRC, etc have all appeared in the clubs 
	sections of LRO and LRW, some many times.  This list just appeared
	in an article on the Internet this month (July issue) in LRO.
	Why don't you just pay Brad to put the AW out.  That was his
	proposal before you kicked him out.  He did get the AW out
	more often...

	Best regards...

	PS, Be more circumspect with your chest thumping.  It makes people
	    look further...

	BTW, After my short discussion with TerriAnn, I created a web page
	     to summarise: 

	     http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/Events/annual_events.html

	     Take a look and see what events I have missed and which can be
	     added.  Basically, any event that draws more than a dozen or
	     so Land Rovers, is held on a regular basis, I will list on
	     the page.  It would be good to have such a list available,
	     so people across the country can see what might be on nearby
	     on an annual basis.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:46:33 -0700
From: Jon Nyhus <bmc@syspac.com>
Subject: Re: 1995 Disco dash is warping

At 02:27 PM 7/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>My 1995 Disco's dashboard is warping in a few places along the edges closest to
>the windshield.  In one spot it has warped quite a bit.  I'll be taking it in
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>fix.  I normally have an internal windshield screen installed when it is parked
>outside.
This is quite common on the Discos and RR.  The best soultion is a dash
cover that  is grey or light tan coloured.   Good luck with the dealer.

Regards,  Jon

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Phoenix,  AZ  85051  USA
602.995.2028     FAX 602.995.1909     
E-Mail  bmc@syspac.com  

British auto restoration for all marques,
Car sales & locating service, Spares sales

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:09:58 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Douglas C. Marbourg" <marbourg@lanl.gov>
Subject: Broken 3.5L

A friend of mine was given a RR 3.5L petrol engine which has a cracked
sleeve in the number 4 cylinder.  He got the engine from a fellow who had
too many enemies. One night a "friend" added a titanium rod in the #4
cylinder without the previous owner knowing!  Needless to say when the
unlucky fellow started his RR all hell broke loose.  As well as the piston
and cylinder wall sleeve.

Anyway, the proud owner of this block now would appreciate any
info/experiences/contacts relating to stroking, boring, resleaving etc.  
Because he has no money invested, and is a mechanic by trade, he would like
to tweak the engine to the largest possible bore, add a supercharger and
drop it into a 89' RR chassis/SI pickup hybrid.  YEOW!

Doug Marbourg, '94 NAS D90 

(505)665-1729 work
(505)983-3574 home
marbourg@lanl.gov work
marbourg@juno.com home

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From: paulc@postoffice.durango.mjt.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:11:53 +0000
Subject: National Rally in Colorado

I am willing to look into what the US Forest Service says about a Rally.  T=
hey
will want to know roughly how many vehicle will be attending.  What do you
think?  100? 200? 500???  As of 5:00pm mountain time today, I will be out
hiking a part of the Continental Divide Trail here in Colorado, and therefo=
re
out of communication until Monday..  However, I WILL look into it.  When do=
 we
want it?  1997, 1998?  Due to snow levels, July or August are best.

Paul Clay

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From: Davis Feng <davis@esp-net.com>
Subject: How to find trails that lead to lake side camping sites in California?
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:26:27 -0700

Hi All

I just picked up my new Disco, and needed some help as to where to take
it.  I am looking for a mellow trail leading into a camp site by a lake.
 If possible the area should allow dogs, if not, the dogs stay home. 
Any ideas?  I live in San Francisco, so anywhere in northern California
would be good.  Or just ideas as to where to start looking at maps and
stuff would be great.

Thanks

**************************
Davis Feng
Software Engineer
Electric Software Products
email : davis@esp-net.com
tel   : 415-949-9957
**************************

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From: Davis Feng <davis@esp-net.com>
Subject: CD Player in '96 Disco
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:29:19 -0700

Don't know if this is the place for this, so let me know.

Anyways, I was wondering if anyone has put in a standard Pioneer Disc
changer into a Disco, and if the wiring is all the same.  If not, any
ideas how to do it?  Otherwise, any ideas where I can get a Land Rover
disc changer?  My dealer wants to charge me $700.  Too much considering
the invoice is $525, and everything is pre-wired.

Thanks
**************************
Davis Feng
Software Engineer
Electric Software Products
email : davis@esp-net.com
tel   : 415-949-9957
**************************

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:39:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: National Rally in Colorado

On Wed, 3 Jul 1996 paulc@postoffice.durango.mjt.com wrote:

> I am willing to look into what the US Forest Service says about a Rally.  

	I think the Black Hills sounds rather interesting...

> will want to know roughly how many vehicle will be attending.  What do you
> think?  100? 200? 500???  

	Start with 100 and see what they think of this.
	
> However, I WILL look into it.  When do we want it?  1997, 1998?  
> Due to snow levels, July or August are best.

	If people are going to travel, how about 1998.  50th anniversary
	is a good excuse for a couple of road trips...  For "who's" rally
	it would be, I'd suggest the "Land-Rover.Team.Net National Rally"
	for all of us Internet nerds plus everyone else... :-)  This is 
	kind of a club here.  Oh yeah, looking at the upcoming events page,
	the larger rallies tend to be in June-July and September-October.
	August is generally smaller affairs in the past.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 10:04:24 -0700
From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: Compression test question!!

I took my "new" LR out for some fun on the weekend. 
Ran great, had lots of power, BUT!!! she's burning oil!!
I noticed that it burns blue when it is parked on a an incline but
seems to burn clean when parked on level ground. 
I did a compression check last night:	
Cold 135,125,120,120
Hot  120,120,120,120
Are these reading reasonable for a 7:1 head?
The plugs were a nice tan colour when I pulled them.
( I had just driven ~200km at highway speeds).
The engine is supposed to have been rebuilt ~ 30,000 km ago!
I'd appreciate any comments regarding these readings.

Regards, Gordon
--

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:52:10 -0500
Subject: re: National Rally

Bad News on the Badlands.

A quick check of a National Parks Guide over at the library (its just accross 
the street from me) says "No off-road driving is permitted with in the Park."

Bummer. The photos were pretty cool. You can go anywhere you want on foot...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 12:21:52 -0500
From: Jesse Furqueron <wjf@iex.com>
Subject: Re: National Rally in Colorado

FWIW, I vote for July or August in '98...

Jesse

---- looking for that special LR that grabs hold of me and won't let go ----

At 12:39 7/3/96 -0400, you wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>	the larger rallies tend to be in June-July and September-October.
>	August is generally smaller affairs in the past.

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From: safari@iafrica.com
Subject: 2.5 Turbo Diesel
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 18:59:56 GMT

> The question to the gearbox gurus is:
> I have a SIII mated to a 2.5 Indirect Injection Turbo diesel engine.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> It was junping out of 1st gear in low range down steep hills as well as
> reverse gear under extreme load.
Hi
I have a series III 109 with a Turbo diesel mated to a series IIa box. I used 
to run 3.54 ratio diffs. While in this set up I managed to break 2 layshafts. I 
have now changed to 4.7 diffs with an O/D. The Landie just feels much happier 
and performs better. No breakages yet but it is still early days.
I would love to hear from anyone with experience with these motors.
Cheers,
--
Rob Symons  safari@iafrica.com  Durban South Africa

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:02:32 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Compression test question!!

At 10:04 AM 7/3/96 -0700, Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca> wrote:
:I took my "new" LR out for some fun on the weekend. 
:Ran great, had lots of power, BUT!!! she's burning oil!!
:I noticed that it burns blue when it is parked on a an incline but
:seems to burn clean when parked on level ground. 

 Oil must be running into the engine cylinders somehow when parked
 at an angle.  Are you parking it uphill, downhill, left, right?

:I did a compression check last night:	
:Cold 135,125,120,120
:Hot  120,120,120,120
:Are these reading reasonable for a 7:1 head?

 Your cold readings are useless.  Compression checks should always be
 done with the engine warmed up, all plugs removed, and engine cranked
 over 6-8 times.  Also it may be smart to adjust the valves just in
 case one isn't closing right.

 Your warm readings of 120 psi are very good.  To reach the compression
 ratio of 7:1 the pressure must be 7 times normal atmospheric pressure,
 also known as bars in the rest of the world.  7 times 14.6 psi (1 bar)
 equals 102 psi.  Your engine is running at a higher compression as
 120 psi/14.6 bars= 8.22 bars, or 8.2:1.  Some newer engines can be as
 much as 140 psi (9.5 bars).  What's significant is that your readings
 are equal all the way across 4 cylinders which is excellent.  Normal
 variation may be 5%, or even 10% on older vehicles, between the highest
 and lowest reading.

:The plugs were a nice tan colour when I pulled them.
:( I had just driven ~200km at highway speeds).

 The condition of your spark plugs being a light tan is excellent.  Black
 or heavily black deposited plugs indicate oil burning which may foul the
 plugs.

:The engine is supposed to have been rebuilt ~ 30,000 km ago!

 It probably was, and apparently they did a good job.  Just the fact that
 your engine is strong and "pulls" good indicates a basically sound engine.

 It is odd that you are smoking oil, as it appears that it is not being
 burnt in the engine itself while operating.  First off, are you certain
 it is oil, and not just condensation?  Is the interior of the exhaust
 pipe laden with fresh sooty deposit, and does deposit or oil build up
 on a napkin near the exhaust pipe?  Maybe your dripping oil in the
 exterior of the pipe that burns off as the exhaust heats up?

 Other than that, maybe there is oil leaking into the cylinders, maybe a
 valve guide or something.  How is your oil pressure, very high?  Did you
 overfill your oil reservoir causing excessive oil levels and pressure?
 Maybe oil is building up on the valve train that isn't returning fast
 enough or draining properly, or puddling up over the valve area when
 parked on a hill and draining the wrong way.

 My suggestion, 1. park on level ground, and 2. don't worry about a
 little bit of blue smoke on startup if the engine runs clean and well
 the rest of the time, it's normal.  (Did you ever see old war movies
 of B-17's starting their engines and smoke pouring out, only to warm
 them up and reliably fly them into combat?) 

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:32:29 -0500
Subject: Re: National Rally in Colorado

On  3 Jul 96 at 12:21, Jesse Furqueron wrote:

> ---- looking for that special LR that grabs hold of me and won't let go ----

 
Jesse,
Mine has a spring sticking through the seat and I think I know what you 
mean, but it's not for sale, since I'm kind of attached to it. I guess 
it is special to me.  I've seen lots of others just as special, and you'll 
grow as fond of whatever you find.  Good luck in your search .

Rgds,
Ron Franklin
 

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 15:42:10 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Egerton Mann Address in St. Albans

Hi all,

I had sent this last week but thought I'd try again. 
Could someone e-mail or post the complete mailing address of 
Egerton Mann LR in St Albans, England?  I'm trying to track down 
the original factory invoice. (Thirty years ago?! Good Luck.)

Thanks

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 15:39:26 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Vent Seals

Hi all,

While restoring my LR, I followed the recommendations of an LROI article and used 
silicone caulk to seal and hold the vent seals.  I had previously sandblasted, primed 
and painted the dashpanel before reassembly.  In recent days, I saw a post about 
avoiding silicone caulking because of the acetic acid in it.
Did I do a really bad thing?  I'm hoping that by location and general 
lack of corrosion in this area of the dash vents that I'll be ok and not have
to remove the vent seals, clean off the caulk, ....

Thanks
 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 12:52:37 -0700
From: Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Compression test question!!

Michael Carradine wrote:
> At 10:04 AM 7/3/96 -0700, Gordon Rea <grea@net.gov.bc.ca> wrote:
> :I took my "new" LR out for some fun on the weekend.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>  Oil must be running into the engine cylinders somehow when parked
>  at an angle.  Are you parking it uphill, downhill, left, right?

Uphill or downhill it smokes alot. Level it somes a little while 
the burn clean after a few minutes of idleing. If I hit the gas
I get a large puff of blue.

> Your warm readings of 120 psi are very good.  To reach the compression
>  ratio of 7:1 the pressure must be 7 times normal atmospheric pressure,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>  variation may be 5%, or even 10% on older vehicles, between the highest
>  and lowest reading.

I thought there was a way to calculate it, but I can't see how my
readings could be any higher than the calculated ones.
Maybe I have an 8:1 head! 

>  burnt in the engine itself while operating.  First off, are you certain

Definetly is burning oil and not condensation.
Also, the oil is not leaking.

>  Other than that, maybe there is oil leaking into the cylinders, maybe a
>  valve guide or something.  How is your oil pressure, very high?
The oil pressure is ~ 40# at idle, 60# above idle. This is higher than my 
'65 IIa but should be OK.

>  overfill your oil reservoir causing excessive oil levels and pressure?
>  Maybe oil is building up on the valve train that isn't returning fast
>  enough or draining properly, or puddling up over the valve area when
>  parked on a hill and draining the wrong way.

This is what I am suspecting. I'm used the blue at startup, its the blue 
while I'm driving that is the problem, and around here you are always
either going uphill or downhill, not much flat ground in British Columbia.

Thanks to all for the advice. I think that I will replace the Valve 
seals this weekend. Might as well start with the least expense first.

regards, Gordon

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:07:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Vent Seals

Nate, my post about silicone was mainly for those putting it on bare metal,
or even 'sealing' electrical terminals with it. If you just use it to hold
your vent screens in place on an already painted bulkhead, you're OK.
Cheers!!! JCD

John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 
73 s3 SWB
72 s3 SWB rusted parts truck, mostly picked over
66 s2a SWB soft top "Red Rover" being minded for friend/customer 
Vintage Rover Service
"Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!"

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Subject: Re: Compression test question!! 
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:30:19 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us>

Michael Carradine wrote:

   Your warm readings of 120 psi are very good.  To reach the compression
   ratio of 7:1 the pressure must be 7 times normal atmospheric pressure,
   also known as bars in the rest of the world.  7 times 14.6 psi (1 bar)
   equals 102 psi.  Your engine is running at a higher compression as
   120 psi/14.6 bars= 8.22 bars, or 8.2:1.  Some newer engines can be as
   much as 140 psi (9.5 bars).  What's significant is that your readings
   are equal all the way across 4 cylinders which is excellent.  Normal
   variation may be 5%, or even 10% on older vehicles, between the highest
   and lowest reading.

	When I first got my Rover I though this to be the case.  But if you
look at the manuels they list the compression ratio for a 7:1 head to be
145psi and for 8:1 rations to be 160-170psi.  This confused me because it 
was much greater than the direct compression ratio over atmospheric pressure.
So I started looking at the physics of the problem

	Taking the ideal gas law we find that PV=kNT with:
P= pressure
V= Volume
N= how many atoms of gas you have
k= Boltzman constant
T= temperature in Kelvin (Kelvin being the exact same increment in temperature
   as Celcius, but 0 degrees Kelvin is -272.15 degrees Celcius)

[For the purists out there, the van der Waals formula is better, but the ideal
 gas law will serve to illustrate the point]

	If we keep the amount of gas contant and the Temperature constant,
when we decrease the volume, the pressure increases directly proportional to the
decrease in volume.  But from Thermodynamics we have found that this is only
true when the compression takes place very slowly.  When you rapidly compress
a gas it heats up.  This is due to the fact that you are putting energy into 
the system by compressing it.  So with Temperature increasing the Pressure also
has to increase.

	This is the way that diesel engines work.  The piston compresses the 
gas so much that the temperature of the air-fuel mixture reaches it's flash 
point and it self combusts.  Ping also is related to self combustion of the 
air-fuel mixture in the cylinder. 

Ben
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: C.J.Short@ste0418.wins.icl.co.uk
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:44:17 +0100
Subject: RE: Egerton Mann Address in St. Albans

         Nate, 
              The address is as follows :-
                        
                        Mann Egerton & Co
                         
                        Acrewood Way
                        Hatfield Road
                        St Albans
         
                        (Post code not known)
         
                        Tel - 01727 866522 or 869131
         
         Hope this helps in your quest for knowledge
         
                             Chris

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Date: 03 Jul 96 17:32:35 EDT
From: Ashley Charlwood <101320.2736@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Disaster warning!

Come back from a great afternoon out on some really nice lanes, but had some bad
results!

Three Landrovers quite happily picking our way through some bad mud when the LR
in front dropped in to a hole, big hole. If I could have spanned the gapbetween
roof top and edge I could have just driven straight across that was how deep.
After he had stalled the engine I drove right around and tugged him out forward
with a KERR. Nicely done. Next guy up did he same thing, the guy I recovered set
up the KERR on his tow point and drove away, not quite enough to get him out. So
a little harder, I could hear the bumper part from the chassis from about 150
feet away.  

On closer inspection the bolts on the right hand side had just ripped through
the end of the chassis, fortunately on one side and not the other, even though
the bridle seemed to favour the other side. So the bumper didn't pile in to the
back of the recovery vehicle and cause more damage. 

The problem I can't see a solution to is that this guys bumper was new on about
4 months ago when he checked the chassis and reckons it was sound. How do you
prevent this happening? I thought the military rings witth four hi-ten bolts and
a bridle were good enough for KERR.

Any way with a bit of careful winching (painful) he was recovered and limped
home!!

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:33:54 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re3: Compression test question!! 

At 01:30 PM 7/3/96 -0700, Benjamin Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote:
:Michael Carradine wrote:
::    Your warm readings of 120 psi are very good.  To reach the compression
::    ratio of 7:1 the pressure must be 7 times normal atmospheric pressure,
::    also known as bars in the rest of the world.  7 times 14.6 psi (1 bar)
::    equals 102 psi.  Your engine is running at a higher compression as
::    120 psi/14.6 bars= 8.22 bars, or 8.2:1.  Some newer engines can be as
::    much as 140 psi (9.5 bars).
:When I first got my Rover I though this to be the case.  But if you
:look at the manuels they list the compression ratio for a 7:1 head to be
:145psi and for 8:1 rations to be 160-170psi.  This confused me because it 
:was much greater than the direct compression ratio over atmospheric pressure.

 I agree, Ben.  A new 7:1 engine should have 145psi/9.9 bar compression.
 The compression ratio is purely the ratio of the volumes of cylinder
 space in both extended and compressed positions.  Just as heat and force
 raise the compression in a running engine, the valves are not fully closed
 at the bottom dead center stoke thereby not compressing a full cylinder.
 As time goes on though, to have 8.2 bar is very good, especially if it
 reads even all the way across.  In practical terms, I would consider a
 7:1 engine with less than 100psi/7.0 bars worthy of a rebuild.

 Cheers,

    (Compression? ...I don't need)
    (no stinkin' compression!)
                          \ 
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\/_                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  _____________(o)____o_____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:26:17 -0400
Subject: Re: CD Player in '96 Disco

     As far as adding CD Players or up grading the current radio...Look into
Crutchfield 
call 800 info for the number, ask to speak to one of their techs who will let
you know what will fit in. They will even supply you with a harness, usually
at no charge, which will plug right into the existing LR one if its needed.
I have not done this yet but when I do this is the place to get in touch with

Rgds
Steve Bradke    96 Discovery
                       72 S lll 88 ( for sale ) 
                       68 S lla 88

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:23:38 -0500
Subject: re: national rally

While the badlands may not be possible, there *is* this little town in the 
black hills called Sturgis. And I've heard that thay've done a couple national
rallies in the past... :-)

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: SCLROVER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:54:36 -0400
Subject: Re: RE: SCLR Caravan to Crested Butte

We'll be way south of Tahoe, but if you want to hook up with us in Utah, I
could keep yuo posted on or itinerary.

Tim

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From: SCLROVER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:59:17 -0400
Subject: SCLR RUBICON TRIP!! 9/13-16/96

If you've ever wanted to do the Rubicon trail, here's the chance of a
lifetime.  We are looking fo a few Land Rovers and thier owners who would
like a weekend of adventure on what is probably the most famous off-road
trail in the world.  Plans are to leave L.A. early on the morning of Friday,
September 13 and caravan to a campsite at the start of the trail.  We will be
on the trail Saturday and Sunday, and leave for home on Monday.  Note that
you should allow Tuesday for any possible trail delays.

  What's so special about this trip?  If we can get 6 or more vehicles to
commit, we plan to arrange to have Harald Pietschmann along with us as a
guide during this challenging adventure.  Harald is a two time Camel Trophy
finalist and he is a proffessional guide for off-road trips through the
Southwest U.S. including Moab, Baja, and, ofcourse, the Rubicon.  He has also
been the guide for two very exciting and successful Rovers North Baja
adventures.  Harald knows the Rubicon, and he knows Land Rovers.  What's most
important is that he emphasizes having an enjoyable adventure, and one of the
best ways of doing this is without any damage.  You've seen videos and heard
stories about bashed fenders, broken axles, and crunched radiators on the
Rubicon.  That may be a Jeep owners idea of fun, but we have something else
in mind.  Harald has done dozens of trips over the Rubicon and so far
everyone has made it through without any damage.

ADDITIONAL DETAILS

Southern California Land Rover does not conduct any off-road trips.  the
purpous of our club is simply to provide a vehicle for communication between
Land Rover owners in the Southern California area.  we are participating as
individuals.  the Rubicon is a difficult trail and there are any of a number
of things which can be hazardous to individuals and vehicles.

Defender 90s or 88"s Series Land Rovers only recommended please.  Some
off-road experience neccessary.  Discoverys and Range Rovers are not
discouraged, but if you insist and are prepared for potential body work, you
are welcome to join us.

September is ideal because the weather is still good, and the  summer
vacation crouds are light.

We plan to write an article comparing the performance of the old Land Rovers
with the performanc of the newer variety.

Harold will be acting as guide and we are responsible for all our own
logistics.  Bring you own camping gear, food, spare parts etc. required for
the trip.  Prior to the trip we will try to coordinate on cooking
arrangements so that we can share some resources and work as a group.

Cost:  You will be responsible for your own expenses.  depending on the
number of vehicles, the cost for Harald as a guide will be around $170-$200
per vehicle.  This is a great deal considering the expert instruction and
trail knowledge Harald brings with him, and greatly reduces the probability
of damage.

Note:  If you want to go on the Rubicon trail, but dont want to risk your own
vehicle, Harald does conduct trips where  specially prepared vehicles (FJ-40
or CJ7) are supplied.

Call soon, we need to make a commitment as quickly as possible so that we can
reserve the weekend with Harald.  If you've ever wanted to do the Rubicon
Trail, now is the time to do ti with fellow Land Rover enthusiasts and with
the least possible danger to your Land Rover.

Contact:

Tim Bowman @ SCLROVER@aol.com or call 714 645 8830

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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:13:29 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Disco dash disaster

Stefan Steiner <ssteiner@almanden.ibm.com> wrote:

>My 1995 Disco's dashboard is warping in a few places....

So is mine...on a '96.  Apparently, this is going to be a *major* warranty 
problem, as the small local dealer has already done two replacements and has 
several other scheduled.

When I went in for the 15,000 mile lube, I was able to study a gutted dash 
closely.  Take it from a twenty-five year Series owner, you *don't* want to 
see what's inside the Disco dash with all of the instruments/switches/guages 
disconnected.

Anyway, I couldn't find *any* traces or residue of adhesive between the foam 
of the dash and the substrate.  Either the stuff totally decomposed 
(unlikely) or it was lackidasically applied.  Since I'm going to be working 
with the boat this weekend and I have a tube of 3M's 5200 adhesive in tan 
(absolutely the most tenacious adhesive ever invented), I'm going to attempt 
a fix.  Replacement of the entire dashboard is a two day job.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:52:36 -0700
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Turner Engines, how do they do it?

This is a repost from during one of
the Major's snits, so apologies to
anyone who has read it before.

I am wondering what Turner does to their
2.25 l motors to get extra power.  Do they
utilize straight stock items and just do 
the basic balancing/blueprinting procedures
and porting/polishing of the heads, or do
they go all out and scratch manufacture 
trick heads and cams? If it is the former,
it should be fairly simple to do the job
oneself instead of spending big$$$ on an
import or a potentially troublesome
motor swap.

Thanks in advance

CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: 04 Jul 96 04:54:15 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Billing

Folks,

it appears that a number of list members will be going to the Billing LRO
show (not me this year) and are eager to meet. Just this word of advice:
You absolutely *must* settle on a particular place, day and time to meet.
The vastness of the area and the amount of Rovers (thousands, literally)
is beyond imagination if you've never been there. On several occasions I
had problems finding my *own* vehicle (and that was _before_ going to the
beer tent). Even if you're looking for someone in a yellow 101 with purple
polka-dots - you *will not* find him.

Hope you enjoy yourselves, and don't have _quite_ as much mud as at the
ARC Rally (I mean, a mud bog is ok for offroading through, but *camping*
in one is something else...   good camouflage, though).

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:56:00 -0400
Subject: OD Input Grease

Rob Dennis was asking about the OD input gear "anti chafing" grease.
Definately something is needed. I used a molybdenum (sp?) constant velocity
joint grease during my last assembly. That substance was recommended by RN
(Fairey retailers), though a brand name was not said. You might want to
verify via a phone call to them. I also filled the case with hypoid, and not
synthetic, as I now understand the consequences of washing that stuff away.
Though I don't mean to suggest that synthetic does that, I do think the box
was designed with thick, sulphurous hypoid in mind.
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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