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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 06:55:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

Rick wrote:

>'74 Series III?  My current 2.25 is running OK, but I wouldn't mind a
>bit more power so that highway speeds are not so painfull.  I find that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>the Landie, not me) in the 0 - 110 km/hr range.  Any suggestions are
>appreciated.

Having just bought this vehicle, didn't you think about this before you 
went looking for a LR???? Nobody said you were going to win races with a 
2.25 LR (except offroad), but having said that you should be able to do a 
little bit better than 90Km/h with and 88 on 750 tires. I suspect that you 
shouldn't have any problem cruisng at 100-105Km/h, are you willing to change 
from the original engine (read: reliable and torquey) for 5-10 kilometres 
per hour??? My suggestion is to chill out and enjoy the scenery.

Rob Bailey

BTW, Ernie has just about finished rebuilding his 2.25 for his 70 IIa 
109. It should really rip (compared to before the rebuild!) once it is 
reinstalled. He was having a hard time holding 80Km/h, but had a bad head 
gasket and broken timing chain tensioner.

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Date: 30 Jun 96 09:29:03 EDT
From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Transfer case problems

The easiest way to check for a broken halfshaft is to open the center seat panel
and look to see if the propshaft is moving when you release the clutch. If it
turns and you aren't going anywhere then it is the halfshaft. Problems in the
transfer that would prevent movement in High 2 would also effect High 4. 

I have never had a halfshaft break when on a trail or under heavy use. It always
breaks when I am starting off from a dead stop, under completely normal
conditions. Of course I have a friend that tried to "burn rubber" in his 109,
and the halfshaft lasted about a millisecond then. Just some thoughts when
dealing with your son.

  
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    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]     1996 Discovery
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 30-Jun-1996

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Date: 30 Jun 96 09:29:08 EDT
From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: The 'Ole Tranny woes

I have unfortunately become way to familiar with my transmission as I
rebuilt/installed/removed/disassembled it for the THIRD time yesterday. I had
the same problem with second gear also. I am rebuilding a box that I took out of
a friends parts car and neither I or he had every driven it. When I got it
together for the first time it was jumping out of second. Part of the problem
was that the selector spring (The one under the brass nut) had lost most of it
strength. Replacing this helped some but it ended up that the gear synchronizer
teeth were just to worn and were forcing the gear and the reverse slider apart.
I ended up replacing the gear/synchro ring/reverse slider yesterday, but ran
into other problems when I got it all back together (unrelated). I would first
replace the spring, it is cheap and easy to get to. If that doesn't fix the
problem you will need to look very carefully at the small teeth on the gear and
reverse slider. (The synchro ring is cheap and should be replaced also) I was
amazed what small amount of wear it took to cause the gear to pop out.

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]     1996 Discovery
     EEEI           EEEI

>> I recently replaced the transmission in my 1970 IIa 88. The "new" one was a
partially rebuilt unit I bought from a fellow LRO. He gave the unit a good
cleaning and replaced the seals. He said that the gears looked good, and
from what I can see, they are not worn.  
        The problem is that it won't stay in second gear for more than a few
seconds before lots of grinding noises force me to engage the clutch. It is
definitely comming out of gear. I pulled off the top cover and inspected the
detent spring, (looked ok) and the selector fork. Ther was a little wear on
the fork, so I pulled the one from the old transmission (broken lay shaft)
and installed it. No Luck. It pops out of gear even if I hold the shift
lever in place.
        Does anyone have any ideas on what could be the trouble?? <<

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 30-Jun-1996

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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 09:20:40
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: $40 High Lifts

Central Tractor has these on sale for $39.95. 
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:10:27 +0200
From: Defender@belgonet.be (Luc Rokegem)
Subject: Re: Billing '96

you wrote :

>>Forgive the ignorance of an English .....

Billing is the UK's biggest and best Landrover happening (July 19th-20th-21st)
at Billing Aquadrome, Northampton.  It's a camping and caravanning place and
there will be more than thousand Landrovers from even far outside GB.
There will be a lot off things to do and to see; Like a off-road course,
a full programme of arena events under the control of David Bowyer and his
team; many clubs from Series I to .... A lot's off stuff to buy, or you can
sale yours. You can come for the day-ticets on sale at the gate.

I think you should not having troubles to find it, because there are a lot
off signs (directions?) that point you in the good direction even on the
motorways. Be there and have fun !!

Sincerely, Luc Rokegem

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:29:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@synapse.net>
Subject: Re: Screensaver

At 07:01 PM 29/06/96 +0200, Luc Rokegem, wrote

>If you try the website http://www.landrover.com you can download a
>screensaver from Landrover. Sounds interesting but the thing doesn't work !

I had the same problem a couple of months ago despite three separate
downloads.  But then a couple of weeks after that I got a clean copy and
it's been working since.  Others, but not everyone, have had the same trouble.

			Rick Grant

rgrant@synapse.net			1959, SII   "VORIZO"
Ottawa, Canada

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:56:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Arizona Land Rover Owner's Club/Ridge Running Rovers

On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Darrell D. Murray wrote:

> Az. Assc. of 4x4 clubs, which costs $25.00.  I will be looking into 
> membership in the Land Rover Club(s), National Register, or what ever it 
> is called.  

	There is no national register, umbrella organisation etc. for the
	Land Rover clubs that exist, though there have been discussions in
	the past about forming one.  Currently the clubs co-operate on
	an individual basis, exchanging newsletters, etc.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:58:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Ccccccold vehicle

On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, John Y. Liu wrote:

> The Kodiak is a kind of heater fitted to some LRs.  I have one, and it is
> very powerful indeed.  Rovers North in the USA (Vermont) also advertises a
> heavy-duty heater.

	Optional (in the USA), pretty standard (In Canada) heater offered
	on Series Land Rovers from the late 1950's through the the mid/late
	1960's.  Comes in about three styles.  Used a standard GM heater
	core.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 09:38:37 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

At  6:55 AM 6/30/96 -0600, Rob Bailey wrote:
>Rick wrote:
:
>>Anyone have an opinion on what is the best engine to swap into a
>>'74 Series III?  My current 2.25 is running OK,
:
>Having just bought this vehicle, didn't you think about this before you
>went looking for a LR???? Nobody said you were going to win races with a
>2.25 LR (except offroad),
:
> My suggestion is to chill out and enjoy the scenery.
:
>Rob Bailey
:

Rick,

If you have not yet noticed, North Americans, esp Canadians seem to have a
religious like passion for the 2-1/4L Land Rover engine.  I assume it has
to do with the realative rarity of the Land Rover in this area and the high
percentage that have been treated badly before they achieved classic
status.  Though 109 owners seem a little less religious than 88 owners.

Scotty's is the only company in North America to be bold enough to offer an
adaptor for an engine swap for those who get tired of being passed by 18
wheelers uphill.

If you check with the UK or Australian owners, Who live in countries with
lots of Land Rovers, you will find a high number of Land Rovers that have
had engine swaps.  Check with Scotty for a Chevy 4 cylinder or six
cylinder.  Get a copy of LRO .  Its full of adds for adaptors for various
engine swaps.

I think the ultimate engine swap for a series car is to convert to a stage
I with a Rover V8.  The January '96 issue had an artical on swaping the
Rover V8 into series cars.

If the 2-1/4 was the best engine for series cars, then Defenders would have
them.

One word of caution, if you do an engine swap, don't talk about it at meets
and keep your bonnet down, least the PC (politcally correct) police come
after you.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:50:43 GMT
From: Andy Purser <apurs@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

Hello,
    With all the talk about engine swaps I am curious about diesel
conversions. Is there a common diesel swap? I had once heard rumors of a
'70's Nissan or either Toyota diesel fitting the LR. If anyone has some
information on this please share it with us. Thanks
Andy Purser
apurs@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:13:22 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Billing vs US meets

At  3:10 PM 6/30/96 +0200, Luc Rokegem wrote:

>Billing is the UK's biggest and best Landrover happening (July 19th-20th-21st)
>at Billing Aquadrome, Northampton.  It's a camping and caravanning place and
>there will be more than thousand Landrovers from even far outside GB

The US meet that comes the closest to the Billing meet has become the
Portland All British Field meet (Labour day weekend (Fri evening, Sat,
Sun)).  There is approximatly 100 Land Rovers that show up these days.
There is camping on the field near the small river Fri and Sat nights, and
an off road course.  Sunday is a all British swap meet.  So far British
Pacific is the only Land Rover parts dealer to be there.  The Portland meet
draws cars from both the US and Canada and has the biggest showing of rare
Land Rovers.  Last years meet included 5 Dormobiles, an ambulance, fire
truck, lightweights, D110 Two & 5 doors, and an air portable.

The Northwest Land Rover club has been putting on a Sunday morning pancake
feed for the Land Rover people and the California group has started a
tradition of bringing microbrewery brews to share Sat evening.

Its a lot smaller than the Billing meet but Only about 13 - 16 thousandish
Land Rovers were sold in North America between 1948 and 1988 and a lot of
those became parts cars because prices were so low for cars and high for
almost unavailable parts.

I think that if there was an event called the North American Land Rover
field meet, it would be the Portland All British Field meet.

This year I'll be at both Billing and Portland :*)  :*)  :*)

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: Mage <mage@cia.com>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:21:56 +0100

At 06:55 AM 30/06/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Rick wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>reinstalled. He was having a hard time holding 80Km/h, but had a bad head 
>gasket and broken timing chain tensioner.

Rob, yes I knew about the power/speed situation before buying the LR.
However, I also own a car, a truck, and a motorcycle so if I needed
something with more speed, I could switch vehicles.  However, since owning
and driving the LR, I would like to sell my other vehicles and transform
this one into something that is even more versatile than it already is.  My
long range plans would be the 2.5 L "Iron Duke" and an overdrive.  That
should address my highway concerns and be a more reliable/economical (I have
heard that the milage is much better) solution.

BTW, thank's for the info on Robert Allen Imports, I picked up some axel
seals, and rebuild kits for the; Master Brake Cylinder, Wheel Cylinders,
Clutch Master and Slave.  Also I bought a new U-Joint because one of the
UJ's on the front driveshaft was shot after our trip to McLean Creek.  Over
all, I am getting all the little problems fixed.

Rick Robinson

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From: Mage <mage@cia.com>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:27:52 +0100

>Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:15:58
>To: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
>>gasket and broken timing chain tensioner.
>Rob, yes I knew about the power/speed situation before buying the LR.
However, I also own a car, a truck, and a motorcycle so if I needed
something with more speed, I could switch vehicles.  However, since owning
and driving the LR, I would like to sell my other vehicles and transform
this one into something that is even more versatile than it already is.  My
long range plans would be the 2.5 L "Iron Duke" and an overdrive.  That
should address my highway concerns and be a more reliable/economical (I have
heard that the milage is much better) solution.
>BTW, thank's for the info on Robert Allen Imports, I picked up some axel
>To: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
seals, and rebuild kits for the; Master Brake Cylinder, Wheel Cylinders,
Clutch Master and Slave.  Also I bought a new U-Joint because one of the
UJ's on the front driveshaft was shot after our trip to McLean Creek.  Over
all, I am getting all the little problems fixed.
>Rick Robinson
>To: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>From: Mage <mage@cia.com>

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From: Mage <mage@cia.com>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:35:48 +0100

At 09:38 AM 30/06/96 -0700, you wrote:
>At  6:55 AM 6/30/96 -0600, Rob Bailey wrote:
>>Rick wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 57 lines)]
>TeriAnn
>twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS
>Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

Thanks for the advice and support TeriAnn.  Concerning the Rover V8
conversion, I am in Canada, so that engine will not be easily available.  I
would like to do a conversion with a commonly found North American engine so
that parts and service will be easily found.  As well, with the stock drive
line, would there be a concern with converting to a V8?  It might seem that
you would start destroying half-shafts and transmissions.

A related question, anyone have information where the Scotty's kits are
available in North America?  And hopefully in Canada?

Thanks,
Rick Robinson

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From: Mage <mage@cia.com>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:44:12 +0100

>>I think the ultimate engine swap for a series car is to convert to a stage
>>I with a Rover V8.  The January '96 issue had an article on swapping the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>>TeriAnn
>>twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS
>>Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

Thanks for the advice and support TeriAnn.  Concerning the Rover V8
conversion, I am in Canada, so that engine will not be easily available.  I
would like to do a conversion with a commonly found North American engine so
that parts and service will be easily found.  As well, with the stock drive
line, would there be a concern with converting to a V8?  It might seem that
you would start destroying half-shafts and transmissions.

A related question, anyone have information where the Scotty's kits are
available in North America?  And hopefully in Canada?

Thanks,
Rick Robinson

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From: "C. Paul Patsis" <cpaulp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Screen Saver doesn't work
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:54:38 -0700

You wrote:
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:01:02 +0200
From: Defender@belgonet.be (Luc Rokegem)
Subject: Screensaver

If you try the website http://www.landrover.com you can download a
screensaver from Landrover. Sounds interesting but the thing doesn't =
work !
A friend off my tryed it himself : same result =3D 0 .  The filename is =
:
landrvr.exe and should be self-extracting but winzip 6.0 says that the
file is damaged.  Any suggestions ?

Sincerely,  Luc Rokegem

Luc,

I went through the same problems and finally decided to call Microsoft =
for some technical advice. To make a long story short the Screen Saver =
was designed for Windows 3.0 and NOT for Windows 95 which is what I =
assume you are running. The Windows 95 program does not recognize the =
file extension or type file for the screen saver. Even after trying to =
change file name and type it would still not run. I ended up sending a =
message to the folks who built the site for Land Rover.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 96 19:06:44 UT
From: "Stephen Fogg" <sfogg@msn.com>
Subject: High Lift Jack Question

A mechanic at my local Land Rover dealer advised me not to use a High Lift 
Jack on my new Disco for fear of damaging the bumpers. Does anyone know if 
there are attachments available for either the bumpers or the frame area that 
would permit the safe use of a High Lift jack? Are there are other high lift 
devices available that would be more suitable for use on a Disco? I plan to do 
some surf fishing this summer at the New Jersey shore and sand always presents 
the risk of getting stuck.

Thanks, 
Steve Fogg
1996 Disco

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:37:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> If you have not yet noticed, North Americans, esp Canadians seem to have a
> religious like passion for the 2-1/4L Land Rover engine.  I assume it has
> to do with the realative rarity of the Land Rover in this area and the high
> percentage that have been treated badly before they achieved classic
> status.  Though 109 owners seem a little less religious than 88 owners.

	More to the fact that we are too cheap to swap anything else in.
	We just muddle through with our lumps.  A v8 in the green beastie
	would be pretty cool, but it is not the easiest swap.  I's go for
	a Tdi (LR or Perkins), but that would kill the bank account.  I
	wouldn't bother with a GM lump, though the Mercruiser that Robert
	Davis dropped in sounds interesting.  However, I hve talked to
	him about it at last years Mid-Atlantic Rally and it was not the
	simple chore that many make it out to be.

> I think the ultimate engine swap for a series car is to convert to a stage
> I with a Rover V8.  The January '96 issue had an artical on swaping the
> Rover V8 into series cars.

	Eric Zipkin has one of these.  Nice...

> If the 2-1/4 was the best engine for series cars, then Defenders would have
> them.

	For North America?  How about a TDi, but since it is no good only
	the rest of the world will get it.  The USA only gets the best 
	eh... 

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:43:29 +0200
From: Defender@belgonet.be (Luc Rokegem)
Subject: Re: screensaver

you wrote :

>>Hello, I got the screen saver several months ago.  It worked!  It.....

Thanks for the solution, I tryed it again and I saw that the page was
updated, separate files for Win3.1 and Win95, I downloaded it again,
and it worked immediately.  Thanks !    Luc Rokegem

Gregspitz wrote :

>>the best screensaver is a blank screen screen saver...........

Sounds very boring to me,   Sincerely,  Luc Rokegem

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:59:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Billing vs US meets

On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> The US meet that comes the closest to the Billing meet has become the
> Portland All British Field meet (Labour day weekend (Fri evening, Sat,
> Sun)).  There is approximatly 100 Land Rovers that show up these days.

	I beg to differ.  The Downeast has been running over 100 Land Rovers
	for a while.  The ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally pulls in more Land Rovers
	that Portland.  Your numbers make Potland number three in North
	America.  (Downeast is next weekend in Owl's Head Maine, ROAV
	Mid-Atlantic is at the end of September, beginning of October)
	(In fact rumour has it that the Downeast could top 200 Land Rovers
	this year.  Were does this leave Portland?)

	Both these Rallies have camping nearby or onsite, draw vehicles
	from a huge area, have off-road courses

> I think that if there was an event called the North American Land Rover
> field meet, it would be the Portland All British Field meet.
	
	I would say the Downeast gets the crown, but then again North
	America is so large, for anyone to claim a "National" title has
	been sniffing a bit too much petrol.  Every region has a fine
	Rally sometime during the year.  Why belittle them by claiming
	something is "National", thus implying the others are also-rans?
	Is the Solihull Society National Rally really *the* national
	Land Rover Rally in the USA?  Don't think so.  Just an imaginative
	use of a name, kinda like Land Rover Owners Association which
	parlayed a smart choice of name into something that couldn't be 
	maintained properly.  You can't have a "national" rally in
	North America.  The place is just too big, the travel distances
	too far for most people.  Billings can be a "National" event for
	the UK simply because you can fit England more than 47 times into the
	province of Quebec, in fact Western Europe can fit into that 
	Province.  Let's leave it that Portland is the biggest and best
	Land Rover rally on the west coast, not United States, not
	North America.

	Rgds from the thawed tundra,

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:38:10 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Billings

Dear All,
        Billings is a great event! On the small scale US side the Portland
meet is a bit more like Billings, with its camping on site etc., as the
July 4th event has various places within a few miles of each other for the
entire weekend. But.... 100 Rovers doesn't make the cut for the biggest
meet Teri Ann.
        Last year our Off Road day and the DownEast Rally brought over 120
Rovers, at the lunch time count. And for 1996 we have 138 Rovers confirmed
for the Sat. Off Road Day, and approx. 175 to 200 expected to attend the
Sun. DownEast. With evryone from DAP to Rovers North coming in force.
        I thought about not even staring this email... but then again I,
and all the others, spend way too much effort to make the event happen.
        I'll count this year, and let you know the count next weekend!
Largest Rover gathering in the WEST, Portland may be, but NOT the biggest.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:07:11 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Engine swaps

Dear All,
        Engine swaps... You can put just about anything into any size
engine compartment. Just depends on how nuts you want to go. Want an 88
with Lamborghini V12, no problem... is it smart, or cheap, probably not.
Will it require custom work, yes.
        The thing that eveyone forgets is all the details involved. We get
numerous call about the same thing... more power. What is the best one, all
depends on what you want to end up with. Friends of mine run Ford 300 6's
and 289's, other make wild little 2.25's. Still others go for the Scotty's
Chevy 6. The problem is NONE of the swaps are truly easy. Some are just
right for some, and totally wrong for others. The Scotty kit works well, we
have used a few of them, but it is not easy in an 88. The Rover V8 articles
in LRO all look wonderful, but they were using a RHD Rover, stick that in a
LHD SIIA or III and see what you get to deal with. Then the lack of US
parts for these swaps and see how long your Rover sits while you wait for a
flywheel or something from the UK.
        The deal is that you gotta look at the entire picture. If I do
this, what down the line is going to screw it up? Is originality a factor
in your Rover? If you put in a Ford 5.0, can you make or afford to have
made the custom fuel lines, exhaust system, motor mounts, etc... how the
hell you going to stop an V8 88 with drum barkes. The new Defenders are
totally engineered to be Defenders, not just a SIII with a V8. So look at
it carefully, and remember all the 100 little nickeland dime things things
that are going to trip you up, from a clutch to a good brake system, to the
radiator, to the bulkhead modifications... and be ready to do ALL those
type of jobs before you go for the swap. It is a lot more then just bolting
in the engine, or finding that bellhousing kit.

        With that in mind... what was the best swap, for easy and gain that
anyone out there ever did. Maybe we can come up with a list. Yes, the UK
guys have it better, more swap kits, and better access to them, and more
deisel choices.

        Our best *as in relatively cheap and bang for the buck* swap for an
88 was to build up a high ouput 2.25, everything stayed the same, but it
had much more kick, and we didn't cut anything.
        Never done the Mercrusier swap..
        Our best 109 swap is a toss up between the Scotty 6, with stock
body work, and the V8 conersion with the addition of the Stage 1 nose.
        Anyone else who has done one.??

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: High Lift Jack Question
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:07:27 GMT

On Sun, 30 Jun 96 19:06:44 UT, you wrote:

>A mechanic at my local Land Rover dealer advised me not to use a High Lift 
>Jack on my new Disco for fear of damaging the bumpers. Does anyone know if 
>there are attachments available for either the bumpers or the frame area that 
>would permit the safe use of a High Lift jack? Are there are other high lift 
>devices available that would be more suitable for use on a Disco? 

I have only tested this setup, not used it when stuck: Tow hitch with
pin mounted at 90 degree angle in receiver. Makes great lifting point
for jack. For the front I installed a front receiver. If you need more
details just ask.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: 30 Jun 96 17:15:39 EDT
From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: OD Clutch sleeve grease?

I am in the process of reassembling my transmission and was wondering what form
of lubrication I should use on the OD clutch sleeve. This is the piece that is
placed on the transmission output shaft and held in place by the famous
castelated nut. This piece seems to get very little lubrication other than what
is there on installation. Originally it had some sort of grease, but I can't
find out what it was.

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]     1996 Discovery
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 30-Jun-1996

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:49:09 -0700
Subject: Lro list WW
From: Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de (Oliver Gottlob)

Hello all there !

I´am Oliver (Oli) Gottlob from Germany (middel west) an I drive a 1976
Landrover 109 Diesel Series III. I use Soft and Hardtop (summer & winter)

Here in my local aerea are abt 5 People driving 88´s and 109´s.

One of this friends has a little Problem with his injector Pump (2,25 l
3 bearing diesel engine). The engine-stop pulley at the pump is broken
and diesel is leaking out the pully seal. one of the engine-stop parts
in the pump is broken and need replace. (the engine is still running, the
only problem is to stop :) ) (He also wants to sell his 88 in 1966 petrol
an will buy a 101 monster)

So we need a drawing from the injector Pump (CAV) and the parts inside.

The second problem are the Brakes at my vehicle. It is one of this high
modern splittet Brakesystem with failure switch.

After my car rebuild (of the chassis) an a little bit adujusting, i have
now the Problem (after a few weeks) that I had to push the brake-pedal 2
to 3 time to get good deceleration. There is no air in the system and i
had replaced many parts including brake liners.

I think that die brake drumms are to wide and i had to move the liners in
the first push to the drumm and then the second push will brake.
But I adjusted the brakes very hard.

Do you have any idears ?

bye
Oli

P.s.: Will be in Billings this year hope to meet you

>>>>  Landrover 109 DIESEL Series III <<<email:   Oliver_Gottlob@T-Online.de
AMPRBBS: DG5DBV@DB0BQ.#NRW.DEU.EU
amprnos: DG5DBV@DB0NOS.ampr.org
FAX:     (+) 49 2923 7276

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:14:00 +1200
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:58:49 -0700
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Engine Swaps

Good Afternoon,
        While I am definetly a fan of more power ,I would be a little leary
of doing an engine swap in a series vehicle because of the other factors
that come in to play. What I am more interested in are performance mods for
the 2.25 or the 2.5 that allow for more power while retaining the stock
engine. I realize a Land Rover will never be a rocket but it would be nice
to have a little more juice when it comes to pulling grades and improved
acceleration.
        With regards to my Range Rover, I would have no problem installing
an after market engine. A nice GM TPI 350 would do nicely. Nothing
outrageous but somthing that matches the quality of the rest of the vehicle.
        With regards to those people who don't believe in engine swapping ,I
ask them to look at history of Land Rover. They have been doing it since
their inception and continue to do so. Land Rover bought the 215 from Buick
in the 60's and have continued to try different engines since then. I read
that a Range Rover with a v-12 was spotted in the states doing some testing.
The Defender has evolved through many different forms as well.
        Anyway, if anybody has any wisdom on performance mods and what they
gained please post.
                Rover On,
                        Blair  
Blair Gillespie
1988 Range Rover
1974 S III 88 Land Rover
1967 FLH HD
San Luis Obispo Ca.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:34:16 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Billing vs US meets

Dixon.

Thanks for the correction.

Being a parochial west coastie, I have never gotten as far as the
Mid-Atlantic Ralley or the Down East (Is that near Death Valley?) and don't
know how many cars actually attend those meets.

You are also right to correct me in saying the country is too big for a
single National meet.  I was thinking that when I was writing and should
have editied that out.  I keep grumbling every year when they keep having
the national Triumph meet in the East.

Oh well, Its been too hot lately to think.  I think I'll walk down and take
a dip in the ocean.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:17:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Billing vs US meets

I know. We'll have a "North American Contential Meet" right near here - say
Rolla North Dakota (geographical center of North America - so they claim).
A scant 350 miles from here, and about as far away from anything else that 
you may want. East Coast, West Coast, its all the same. And don't think that
us midwesterners would have any advantage, the percentage of rovers here
wouldn't throw the over all curve of distance driven... :-)

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:08:43 -0700
From: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (john hess)
Subject: Dormobiles

Howdy,

I would like to remind folks that I have set up a Dormobile page.
It is definitely a work in progress, but I hope you find it interesting.

http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

If you are using a non-frames browser, use this url:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/1homepage.html

I am continuing to work on Hess excursions as well as new photos from
Barbara Toy showing her 3 door (109 regular) Dormobile.

I have a Dormobile front seat (the smaller one) if someone knows of a
Dormobile that needs one.  If anyone know of other Dormobile bits to
rescue, let me know!

cheers,

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner!

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:35:00 -0500
Subject: re: Engine Swaps

The only motor swap I'd consider right now is for a Turner 2.25. 

Here's why: #1 - Resale. Would you want to by something from a person you
didn't know who did their own engineering? I wouldn't. So I wouldn't expect
someone to buy one from me. If I lose my job next week its a selling point in
my favor if I can illustrate that its going to be easy to maintain with 
commonly (relativly) available parts from people who know rovers. Your on your
own with a custom setup.

#2 - Tolerances. Sure, the 2.25 may not have delivered as much power as
desireable, but thats what they used and the rest of the truck is designed
around it. Others have said this, too. ITs not like half-shafts arn't weak
enough.

#3 - I can barely figure out the 2.25 with a full set of manuals. If I were
to swap motors, I'd have to pay someone to do my thinking for me in terms of
getting it all working, and then I'd be on my own. In the middle of nowhere,
is that person going to be riding shotgun? In other words, if you can't
figure out what you need to do, maybe you shouldn't be doing it. I know I can't
so I'm not (finances not withstanding).

My (more than) .02 worth..

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:46:22 -0500
Subject: Rear sliding window anyone?

Anyone have a spare rear sliding window they like to sell? Or the dimensions
for one for an 88 (if different from a 109) including the hole diameter for the
lock.

I broke one today trying to get it open (F#$K'N **&$^^&&*%^(&^^$!!). I had the
silly thing loose and open about 4 inches, and I was trying to nudge it open
with a soft mallet  - Really! I didn't hit it hard at all! Psssht! and it 
spider-webs. It must have jammed in the channel. Grrrr!

I have rough dinensions off the existing three, but its had to tell with them 
sunk in the channesl & all. RN wants )Ack!_ $62.50, and BP a near $55 for a 
rectangular piece of safety glass with a hole. Seems like a lot..

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:42:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Advice/ Help Windows channel replacement

HI All

Ok the time has come to replace the window channel in the rear sliding
windows of my 88. I have the channel but can't seem to figure out how the
windows come out. Do I need to remove the lock bar on the top of the window
or does the tray on the bottom come out some how? (if so how?)
HELP!!!!
I hope someone out there knows the best way to do this.

Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
WANTED pre 1968 109 In USA
Daviscar@concentric.net
        Or
BDaviscar@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:45:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Billing vs US meets

On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> Thanks for the correction.

	Generally try and be fair on these things...

> Being a parochial west coastie, I have never gotten as far as the
> Mid-Atlantic Ralley or the Down East (Is that near Death Valley?) and don't
> know how many cars actually attend those meets.

	It would be interesting to see a list of all the decent regional 
	rallies.  Off hand (and someone else can add more + numbers and 
	any corrections to this list...) from numbers I heard from last 
	year (1995):

CLUB	RALLY		WHERE			LR'S THERE	WHEN
----	--------------	-----------------	--------------	-------
 --	Downeast	Owl's Head Maine	136 (at 2pm)	July 4th
ROAV	Mid Atlantic	central Virgina		129 		Sept/Oct
 --	Portland	Washington state	50-60 		???
SS	"National"	Colorado		50ish  		Aug?
BSROA	Fall Heritage	Massachussets		40ish 		End Sept.
 --	British InvasionStowe Vermont		40ish		Mid Sept.
OVLR	Birthday Party	Ontario			36 		June
 --	Brit Car Day	Bowie Maryland		20ish		June

	other rallies?	anywhere?		numbers last year?

	The Downeast is really a two part rally in two locations.  Saturday
	is an off-road day done by East Coast Rover with support/help from
	others, the Sunday is a static show at the Owl's Head Transportation
	Museum at the same time as an air show there.  This year, probably
	about 200 LR's are expected for the Sunday portion.

	ROAV Rally is another growing every year.  Camping on site, a trials
	course, various events planned.  Worth showing up to.  There is
	an account of last years rally on the RoverWeb, written by Jeff
	Berg.

	Portland, to my knowledge, is a British car show, not unlike
	the British Invasion in Stowe Vermont.  The BI gathers in hundreds
	of British cars.  Two years ago, LR was the featured marque at 
	Portland and I think there were about 100 of them there.  Last
	year I heard there were 50-60 LR's there.   Stowe last year was
	good for at least 40+ Land Rovers from BSROA, OVLR, and	others.
	BI is in mid September.  British Car Day in Bowie Maryland is
	another huge British Car show that attracts Land Rovers.  No
	numbers on how many Land Rovers were there htis year.  Hundreds
	and hundreds of other British marques though.  ROAV always has
	a set-up at Bowie.

	Don't know that much about the "National".  Understand it is more
	modern LR oriented.  Someone else can fill us in.

	The Bay State Fall Heritage Rally is held ever September (generally
	around the same time as the ROAV rally) up in New England.  It gathers
	in a fair number of people and Land Rovers.

	The Birthday Party?  Well, you have just recently read a bunch of 
	messages on that one.  Rather different from the rallies mentioned
	above.  Smewhere between 40-50 Land Rovers there this year.

> You are also right to correct me in saying the country is too big for a
> single National meet.  I was thinking that when I was writing and should
> have editied that out.  I keep grumbling every year when they keep having
> the national Triumph meet in the East.

	We should push the regional rallies and help them grow.  Then, for
	people around like Ben Smith who doesn't mind driving across
	the continent regularly in his 88", we will all have multiple places
	to go through the Spring - Fall.  Just remember to bring a brick
	to put on the gas pedal while cruising the Interstate system.

	It would also be interesting to see the trends in how these rallies
	have grown over the years.  Five years ago, Stowe had five Land Rovers
	there.  The numbers have gone up every year.  I'll bet you the
	same is happening everywhere.

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:03:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

I'm in the midst of building my 2.25, and I also have a Peugeot 4cyl diesel
from an old RR coming (hopefully), so I'll have a choice. One problem in
swapping in anything is, that more power isn't necessarilly made in the right
place on the rev range. We need lots of low end torque, for off road, else we
wear other stuff out trying to compensate (clutch?) And more power doesn't
translate to more speed on the highway when you're dealing with 4.71 axles
getting power from an underdriven (1.1something :1) transfer case, even
though OD helps. I've noticed some of the trialers over in the old country
use the Rover/Acura/Honda v6, and they get away with it cause they use it
high in the rev range. Enough rambling, its late, y'all have a nice week!!
JCD

John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 
73 s3 SWB  (770)926-8314
72 s3 SWB rusted parts truck, mostly picked over
66 s2a SWB soft top "Red Rover" being minded for friend/customer 
Vintage Rover Service
"Since 1994, over a dozen satisfied customers!"

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:13:49 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Advice/ Help Windows channel replacement

You wrote: 

>Ok the time has come to replace the window channel in the rear sliding
>windows of my 88. I have the channel but can't seem to figure out how the
>windows come out. Do I need to remove the lock bar on the top of the window
>or does the tray on the bottom come out some how? (if so how?)

To replace the channels all around I removed the "lock bar" (drill out the 
rivets and re-attach when done - 3/16" drill).  Then unscrew (assuming the 
screws can be found and are not now "rust-rivets" :) ) all the existing 
channels.  To get the windows out pull them out with the old channels from the 
top.  I left the lower tray in place and just replaced the channels.  To 
replace the windows place the base in the lower channels fit the upper channels 
to the appropriate window, slide into place and screw down.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:15:26 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: 2.25 Engine serial #s / Patchwork Landie

A while ago, I said:

>So, can we try to bracket the engine and gearbox numbers?
>Engine: 151911190
>(BTW, the head seems to be marked 27...2, whatsitmean?)
>Gearbox: 151911439

And David said:

>Wouter is trying to date his LR:
>>Engine: 151911190
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>What do you mean by SI brakes? The SI brakes were carried over for SII, and
>then the 109 brakes were modified several times during the SII-IIA run.

OK, I have since figured out that the brakes are I/II, but not IIA (i.e. not
snail cam adjusted)

Please, everybody out there with 2.25 engines, send me the engine # and
year, if I get enough response I'll make a table for the FAQ.

Thanks

Wouter
--
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Argo 505 / FT200      !o K w(--) !O !M V(--) PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP>++ t 5? X? R?
                      tv>--- b+++ DI+ D+ G e+++(*) h--- r+++ y+++(*)

'72 Puma - 1700 FI Type IV engine                          Perseverance my son,
'6? Series IIA LR SW - factory fitted Lucas immobiliser       it's a   Land/
                                                                       /Rover
"All journeys end when we reach our destination but the journeying
remains a thing apart, unique unto itself. Most of us make life's journeys
without understanding that the journeying is a separate thing." -- Bob Hoover

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