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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 07:32:38 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Arizona People? and how to remove stickers ***

that smells just like lighter fluid (zippo kind, not charcoal) Yiou might try
that.

Yes indeed, that is the thing to use. It's called Naptha, or sometimes VM&P 
Naptha. I believe it's the same as zippo fluid and white gas (Coleman Stove 
Fuel) I wouldn't switch 'em around though, best just to buy a can at the 
paint/hardware store. It will remove adhesives, ink, oil based paints, etc, from
surfaces that would be ruined by other solvents. We use it here in the Museum to
remove paint and other blemishes from plexiglass. It doesn't fog the plexi like 
the other solvents. I've also used it to remove felt-tip marker ink from CD's 
oil paint from carpets, and duct tape goonk from around the window on my Honda.
Buy it, you'll like it.

Cheers

Dave "My Honda failed inspection so now I have to work on IT too" B

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 07:34:21 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: d110 price

The price gregspitz found on the 93 d110 is well within the parameters here
in metro Atlanta. 'specially with all the stuff on it. Will these trucks
never begin to really depreciate? 

Hmm. I thought 38k was fairly reasonable. That's what you'd pay for a new D() 
with all the necessary kit. Besides most 110's are over 40k that I've seen 
lately. 

Dave "You snooze, you lose" B.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 07:48:41 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Stickers

Mike sez:
>>>If you really want to go hi tech.

NEVER!! :)

>> 3M makes a product called adhesive
remover. It will not harm paint or anything, works great, kinda costly for
one time use on a few stickers, but you know it can't hurt the paint.
See ya!

Not necessary. This stuff is used in frame shops for removing pictures from 
their backings. Just use the naptha, that's what all the body shops use. 
Besides, it's not "LRO-like" to buy expensive cans of goop for one-time jobs, 
better to just use some old stuff ya got layin' around. 

Respectfully yours,

Dave "Remember your "Marque Values*" B.

*:

INDIVIDUALISM
Knowing your own mind: independence

AUTHENTICITY
Fit for purpose: the original

FREEDOM
Go where you want to go: choice

ADVENTURE
Exploring the unknown, with care for the environment (pay attention here, Dixon)

GUTS
Giving everything you've got: endurance

SUPREMACY
Superior to all competitors: leadership

FRUGALITY
Spend little on parts and cans of solvent: drive it 'til it breaks

to be conitinued...

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:45:13 +0400
From: Alex Danza <danza@ropnet.cronyx.ru>
Subject: Land Rover phone number

        Will anybody help me in getting a phone number for Land Rover in
England.
I am in Moscow and can't find anywhere.

Thanx.
Alex

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 13:51:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: What happens at Billing?

After being unsubscribed for 3 months I just resubscribed and I see some 
talk about Billing.

What activities will take place there, from when to when, is it free, do you 
need to register?

I am considering to drive there from Amsterdam with my Lightweight.

Daniel

SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V.
tel. +31 20 6136323
WWW  http://www.sys.nl

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:15:53 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Geeaaarrrbox

Howdy Folks !,
The question to the gearbox gurus is:

I have a SIII mated to a 2.5 Indirect Injection Turbo diesel engine.
It was junping out of 1st gear in low range down steep hills as well as
reverse gear under extreme load.
So...
Recently I re-did the g/box, replaced the brass bush, 1st/2nd, 3rd/4th synchro
a gear or two and the reverse gear and shaft.

Reverse is fine, but it still jumps out of 1st (not as badly though) and
when it is in second gear it grinds ever so gently (chike,chieke,chieke etc)
and badly in reverse under load (CHIEKE, CHIEKE,CHIEKE) Sounds like it is
not in gear properly but it definetly is.

What should I specifically check for when I take it out AGAIN?

Brian -chieke,chieke- Cotton
South Africa

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:30:59 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Stickers

Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> Besides, it's not "LRO-like" to buy expensive cans of goop for one-time jobs,
> better to just use some old stuff ya got layin' around.

> FRUGALITY
> Spend little on parts and cans of solvent: drive it 'til it breaks

Well, with that in mind, I'd suggest splashing some gas or old gas/oil mix (like for a 
chainsaw) and burn the old sticker off, or alternatively use some old sand paper and 
sand it off. ;-)

-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: Bimini Top
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:16:00 CDT

I think it was Barnett that recommended the bimini top for my D90...  I 
installed the top and absolutely love it.  My new dillema seems to be 
whether to remove the windows, or not. (Apparently, during those really hard 
rain storms, they actuall keep out some of the rain. :>)

My question is this: in order to install the bimini top, I attached two 
small brackets to the top of the rear rail (on either side of the rear 
window binding posts) and just last night I realized that it wasn't aluminum 
that I drilled into to put the self-tapping screws in.  Do I need to do 
anything to protect that metal that I drilled through? (ie. run clear 
silicone caulking into the four holes...)

Thanks,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: Fire Extinguishers
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:22:00 CDT

There's been alot of talk recently about mounting Fire Extinguishers in 
D90s.  Can anyone recommend the correct type of Fire Extinguisher to buy and 
a suggestion as to where to buy it?  (I don't suppose RN sells one...I think 
I may have even seen a kitchen sink for sale in their catalog.  :> )

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: "Lee Zeltzer (ISD)" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: RE: Caravan to '96 National Rally from NM, AZ, TX (and others)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:33:48 -0700
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From: 	Daniel McDonough[SMTP:mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: 	Tuesday, June 25, 1996 8:33 PM
Subject: 	Caravan to '96 National Rally from NM, AZ, TX (and others)

I got myself signed up for the National Rally in Crested Butte and =
thought
it would be nice to see how many Rovers from the SW we can get together.

I live in Albuquerque and thought anyone from down south (El Paso, Las =
Cruces,
Tucson, West Texas, etc) could join up here. Then we head north and pick =
up
Santa Fe, Los Alamos etc. Are there any interested parties out there?

If there is a caravan already planned, let me know so I can join in.

Daniel McDonough

'95 D-90 Ragtop
'95 D-90 SW
AS of the moment it looks like the parched Tucson contingent is moving =
due North through Phoenix, merging with those who like it even hotter =
and dryer than here and then rising into the pines of Flagstaff; if they =
aren't burning. Not sure that helps but make us an offer!

------ =_NextPart_000_01BB6331.D18C49C0

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:08:33 GMT
From: Miguel Moreira dos Santos <mmsantos@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: axel stripes

        One of this days I broke one of my 88 series III axel stripes.

        Can I remove both of them without risk.

        I apreciate any help on this subject.

        Thanks.

        Miguel Moreira dos Santos

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:17:15 +0000
Subject: Re: axel stripes

Quoting Miguel Moreira dos Santos, from 26 Jun 96

>         One of this days I broke one of my 88 series III axel stripes.
>         Can I remove both of them without risk.

I broke one on on my 109 SIII, and took the other one off as well.

I had previously noticed that the people who compete in their vehicles 
tend not to have straps.

After several months and a couple of competitions later - I've still had 
no problems

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:09:51 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Still Pathetic Washer Jets

Hi all,

Just got the new washer jets and wiper blades.  Wipers work fine but when I pushed the 
washer button, the washer pump ran fine but after about 2-3 minutes, the only liquid 
that came out of the jets was a miserable little dribble which puddles around the washer 
jet.  No spray at all.  Does this mean the pump has bad seals (no pressure) and needs 
replacing or is there another explanation.

Thanks for the help.
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:36:18 -0700
From: Paul Oxley <circ@aztec.co.za>
Subject: Re: Geeaaarrrbox

Brian Cotton wrote:
> Howdy Folks !,
> The question to the gearbox gurus is:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Brian -chieke,chieke- Cotton
> South Africa

...a mouse?

Paul

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:51:57 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Still Pathetic Washer Jets

Just got the new washer jets and wiper blades.  Wipers work fine but when I
pushed the
>washer button, the washer pump ran fine but after about 2-3 minutes, the
>only liquid
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>pressure) and needs
>replacing or is there another explanation.
If you just got new jets,and are using the old pipes,you could well have
crud in the pipes which is now blocking the new jets.This happened to me
when my pump went west,the pipes developed an ecosystem of their own.
Try back blowing the lot,I used an old environmentally-definitely-hostile
aerosol of IsoPropyl Alcohol I had lying around.Worked a treat after a couple
of blasts.The can had one of those little tube nozzle thiungs on it.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 26 Jun 96 09:00:45 MST
Subject: Removing stickers.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
There are several "adhesive remover" products that are available and
would probably work well. Another possibility is something that the
window tint people do to remove old tint from windows that have the
defroster wires on them. Basically, they cut out a plastic garbage bag
in the shape of the window, spray soapy water on the window film, then
attach the plastic bag to the soapy drenched film. Then they leave it in
the sun for an hour or so, and the water (theoretically) soaks into
behind the film and loosens it.

Maybe a combination of the two methods, use adhesive remover instead of
soapy water, and cover it with a plastic garbage bag to keep it moist
and allow it to soak in.

Good luck!

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover phone number

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Alex Danza wrote: 
: 
:         Will anybody help me in getting a phone number for Land Rover in
: England. I am in Moscow and can't find anywhere.

  Land Rover
  Lode Lane, Solihull
  West Midlands B92 8NW
  England

  Tel  +44 121 722 2424
  Fax  +44 121 742 1927

  Regards from California,

  Michael Carradine
  'Rumpole' 1965 IIA 88"

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:38:57 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: RE: 97 Wrangler

You wrote: 

snip

>While the coil spring suspension is step in the right direction (as LR
>figured out, what 15, 20, 25 yrs ago?!) What impressed me the most with
>the wrangler was how "cheap" and "lightweight" the undercarriage looked.
snip
>Granted the Wrangler has only 2/3 the GVW of a LR,
>but the springs and suspension arms looked more like those of a toy (or
>import subcompact) than something I'd expect to see on a trail rig.

We had a look at one that was parked by the side of the Fordyce trail last 
weekend.  I agree with the look/feel of the undercarriage.  What seemed 
very strange to me was the right front shock is outside the coil spring and 
the left front is inside it. .... Hmmm.

I wonder what the gearing is.

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:57:45 -0700
Subject: Caravan to Crested Butte

Probably a long shot, but....

Anyone from the northeast interested in caravaning out to Crested Butte for the 
'national' rally?  I'm kicking around driving out there but I haven't decided 
yet.

Sorry 'bout the cross post but Rovers is Rovers....
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:57:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers

On Wed, 26 Jun 96, "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com> wrote:

>There's been alot of talk recently about mounting Fire Extinguishers in 
>D90s.  Can anyone recommend the correct type of Fire Extinguisher to buy and 
>a suggestion as to where to buy it?  (I don't suppose RN sells one...I think 
>I may have even seen a kitchen sink for sale in their catalog.  :> )

Proper type of Fire Ex for a vehicle: Type B (flammable liquids) and C 
(electrical).  Most of these are type A (wood + paper) as well.  For cleanliness 
you can go for a Halon (difficult to find these days) but for enviro 
friendliness and (a lot) less expense go for a dry chemical type....one that 
comes with a metal mounting bracket.  A suitable size would be (in my opinion, I 
go looking for fires, though) at least a couple pounds of extinguishant.

Electrical fire?  In a Land Rover?   
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 14:04:37 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Downeast Rally

To any and all LRO's in the DC/MD/VA area, is anybody interested in going to the
Downeast? I plan on taking the Honda, due to kit-like condition of my 88", but 
could be convinced to ride in a Lode Lane product. I do need to stop in Boston 
either on the way back or up to pick up some parts. I plan on leaving either 
Wednesday or Thursday and returning Sunday, since I have to work again Monday.

Also if there's anybody along the way who is going, especially from Anywhere 
betwixt here (VA) and Boston, I'd love to hitch up along the way. 

Cheers

Dave "I hope you've got a roof rack too" B.

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From: paulc@postoffice.durango.mjt.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:25:24 +0000
Subject: Commercial Importers

Hello, I am trying to import a few Land Rovers Into the US. 
  Does anyone know of a good commercial importer?
  Thanks,
   Paul Clay (a future owner)

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:12:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers

> Electrical fire?  In a Land Rover?

HEY! I resemble that... :-)

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: how to remove stickers

> After years of fascination, I got my first Rover.  
>            93 D90 - yellow.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> tradica@netzone.com
> http://www.tradica.com/

Robert,
	Congratulations on your purchase of a dream.  I wish I was in 
your shoes.  My wife convinced me to have kids first (#5 now!).  So I 
drive a 16 year old Peugeot turbo diesel with a bad smoking habit.  If I 
had a rover, since my wife and kids are gone for a month, I would have 
gone to some of the remote hot springs I have been looking at visiting...
	Try gunk's tar and bug remover.  It worked well on removing duct 
tape and residue of duct tape off our dodge caravan.  Of course, try it 
on your paint first, test to see  that it won't melt your finish, etc.

Michael Roberts
Portland, (Vernonia), Oregon

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:03:34 -0700
From: parch@smmff.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

        Regarding this post re: microphiche/manuals, I have been off the
list for a few months, just got back on today--I missed the previous post
from Bill. am interested in microphiche for both series and RR also what is
the story on where to get the phiche? and is it pricy?
        Paul

>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:49:33 +0400
>From: Alex Danza <danza@ropnet.cronyx.ru>
>Subject: Manuals and service books

>Dear Bill,

>My name is Alex and I read your letter about manuals and microfiches.
>My friends opened a car service in Moscow, Russia and they will be servicing
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>New Range Rover, RR Classic, Export Price list, and the parts manuals.
>I will really appreciate your help.

>Best Regards,

>Alex Danza

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre
"87 Range-Rover-156,000 miles-going strong (Squeak)  

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From: RICK_SNYDER@HP-Andover-om3.om.hp.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:04:56 -0600
Subject: IIA Voltage Regulator Adjustment?

Item Subject: cc:Mail Text
Does anyone know the proper (or at least a good one!) procedure for 
adjusting the voltage regulator on a late model IIA?  This is the regulator 
with two relays and two adjustment screws visible on top of the unit.  The 
vehicle has a generator (no alternator).  I have seen a procedure in an old 
Haynes book however that regulator had more than two relays and just looks 
different from mine.

Rick Snyder
'71 IIA
'91 RR

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:14:52 -0400
Subject: Land Rover D110 Price

 Well I think I was in  the middle of a scam please help me...A "gentleman"
named Guy Medeiros of NJR of Longmont Colorado was going to sell me the
loaded D110 for $38,500 and I was ready to buy but contacted the reputable
Bill Burke of 4-Wheelin' America to check it out for a consultant fee.  I was
told I had first right of refusal and called this Guy back and as soon as I
mentioned Bill Burke to come and check the vehicle out he said  "Oh I sold it
this morning a guy came out and just cut me a check."  Does it sound fishy to
all of you also???So watch out in your local papers across the country...this
guy even had great pictures he fed-exed to me and said we could wire the
money and he would ship the vehicle and send title.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 22:57:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: Locked storage in Lightweight

After going to Billing I'd like to travel around in England for a week or 
so. However I'm worried that I can't leave any luggage in my Lightweight 
because it is impossible to lock the Lightweight in any useful fashion.

What solutions to this problem have you guys come up with?

Daniel

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:00:13 -0500
Subject: Re:  IIA Voltage Regulator Adjustment?

What sort of trouble are you having with it? I went through this about a
year ago, and the guys at RN said if its bad, its bad - they're a pain
to adjust correctly, ie its more than the typical home mechanic could
do correctly. This may not apply to you, of course.

On a correctly working system, when you first start the truck, the ammeter
bounces to about +15, then settles to about +2 after a short bit. If you
get the ammeter needle pegging in relation to the revs, or if the charge
light is on when you shut the motor down and pull the key, the VR is fried
(two things that have happened to me).

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 16:38:53 
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers

>Proper type of Fire Ex for a vehicle: Type B (flammable liquids) and C 
>(electrical).  Most of these are type A (wood + paper) as well. 

If you have the vehicle open, put a small piece of tape or plastic cap over the opening of the 
extinguisher. I had a mud dauber build a nest in mine and it wouldn't work.

Tom Rowe
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194   trowe@aae.wisc.edu

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:24:25 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover D110 Price

Gregspitz@aol.com wrote:

>  Well I think I was in  the middle of a scam please help me...A "gentleman"
> named Guy Medeiros of NJR of Longmont Colorado was going to sell me the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> guy even had great pictures he fed-exed to me and said we could wire the
> money and he would ship the vehicle and send title.

What a scam!  I can't stress enough DON'T GIVE SOMEONE MONEY WITHOUT GETTING THE TITLE.
Without the title, you'd have to fight it out in court IF you could catch the guy.
For something like a D110, I'd spend the extra couple hundred and fly there to see it in 
person and personally take title of it.

This kind of scam goes on in all kinds settings (like building barns...don't ask).  In 
general, get it in writing (in this case the title) whenever you're dealing with 
significant cash.
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Subject: Joke (at the expense of Range Rover Owners)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:44:55 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

It so happens that the summer intern in my office over heard me talking 
about how unobtainable the Michelin 4x4 XPC 235/70R16 tyres were for
the Range Rover, and she asked what the difference was between that
and the Land Rover, and then asked me if I'd heard this Range Rover joke.

Evidently at one of her HBS (Harvard Business School) classes, they were 
looking over a case study from Range Rover, and there were these two 
RR marketing guys there.  Somewhere during the discussion one of the
women says something about the discussion and adds, and I have a joke to
tell.  

 Q.	Whats the difference between a porcupine and an Range Rover ?

 A.	The pricks on the outside of a porcupine.

	Evidently the professor managed to contain his laughter, but the
marketing guys seemed a little bit upset.

	It just goes to show the folks at HBS know how to have an
occasional laugh.

    Cheers,
        --bill  	caloccia@OpenMarket.com
                 http://www.Senie.com/billc/

       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/~majordom/lr/
   R  1  3  2wd  H		  D
   +--|--|   o   |             L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L             |  2	    because
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County
                         (desperately in need of tyres)

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From: Ted Mindt <TMindt@keymodules.philips.com>
Subject: '65 SIIa 88" for Sale
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 04:13:00 PDT

I am reluctantly offering my Land Rover for sale. The details are listed 
below.

1965 Series IIA station wagon
seating for 7
hood and rear door spare mounts
tropical roof
Light green
16" wheels with 6.50 X 16 tires
original purchase liturature
owners manual
shop manual
less than 90,000 total miles
very good condition

If you are interested, the vehicle is located near Boulder, CO. I can be 
reached at tmindt@mho.net or at (303)443-3777 days and (303)258-0586 eves.

Ted Mindt

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From: HancockPA@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: All this mail!!!!!!!!

Can anyone tell me how to stop all this mail coming down the telephone lines.

I only signed up because my son has just bought a S2A and I thought it might
be useful.  The trouble is, he can't read it fast enough as I am getting
about thirty each time I logon. It must be getting on for two hundred now in
about five days.......

Help...... how do I turn it off?????

Paul Hancock 

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:22:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Commercial Importers

Where are you located?? Which port of entry?? HOw many vehicles??
I work for a customs broker.......give me the details and I should be 
able to help you out.

Russ W.
Pittsburgh, Pa.

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 paulc@postoffice.durango.mjt.com wrote:

> Hello, I am trying to import a few Land Rovers Into the US. 
>   Does anyone know of a good commercial importer?
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>   Thanks,
>    Paul Clay (a future owner)

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:30:58 GMT
From: Andy Purser <apurs@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: GM 4 cyl motor 

Hello,
     A few days past I saw a msg about a motor swap for the LR. It mentioned
a GM 4 cyl. that could be used that would fit the motor mounts, use the
existing cooling system, a rodchester carb, etc. Would the person with this
information be so kind as to post it again or E-mail me direct with the
details. A friend with a '72 Ser. III 88" is wanting to compare this to
overhauling the existing 2.25 petrol. Thanks in advance.
Andy Purser
apurs@worldnet.att.net

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:28:40 -0400
Subject: Re: All this mail!!!!!!!! (Digest instead)

Why don't you unsubscribe from the list and subscribe to the once a day
digest. Then you'll only have one message a day, a collection of the previous
day's messages.
Don't reply directly to this message. Instead:
Send the following to:  lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net
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David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:32:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Land Rover D110 Price

At 09:14 PM 6/26/96 +0000, you wrote:
> Well I think I was in  the middle of a scam please help me...A "gentleman"

I was going to say $ 38,000 sounded like a good deal even a little too good..
I checked with the local dealer who has a 110 on the lot...it has 16,000
miles and has a roof rack..
Dealer wants.....are you ready for this.......$ 46,900
sheesh.........
  
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:33:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Land Rover D110 Price

At 09:14 PM 6/26/96 +0000, you wrote:
> Well I think I was in  the middle of a scam please help me...A "gentleman"

I was going to say $ 38,000 sounded like a good deal even a little too good..
I checked with the local dealer who has a 110 on the lot...it has 16,000
miles and has a roof rack..
Dealer wants.....are you ready for this.......$ 46,900
sheesh.........
  
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:34:35 GMT
Subject: Re: '65 SIIa 88" for Sale

At 11:13 AM 6/27/96 +0000, you wrote:
>I am reluctantly offering my Land Rover for sale. The details are listed 

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>below.
>What is the price????
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:34:01 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Bearings

Jim Karantinos wrote:

>On inspection I found that both of my back wheels' bearings were shot.

Try a Timkin 359s/4 for the inner and an SKF K-11162 for the outer.  Cheers

...good to have the list back again.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:33:58 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Engine swaps

Rick Robinson <mage@cia.com> wrote:

>Anyone have an opinion on what is the best engine to swap into a '74 
>Series III?

Over the weekend, I saw what Robert Davis' "Mercruiser" conversion could do.
Basically, this is the GM "Iron Duke" four-banger with 140 hp.  It is 
*shorter* than the Rover 2.25, and with re-camming, porting and polishing, 
it can turn out *160* hp.  Just don't do what Robert did late at night 
whilst towing home an 88 from Bowie.  He neglected to push the dip stick all 
the way down - leading to the panicked addition of four quarts that were 
promptly appllied to the frame, the Rover being towed and the next nine 
vehicles....

He's off the list right now, so I can relay E-mails.  Cheers

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:34:04 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: New leaves

Jeff Berg wrote:

>Speaking of Dixon, apparently he is turning over a new leaf.  His vehicle
>was seen sporting numerous corporate sponsorship deacals from the likes
>of Apple Computer and American Express...

If I know Dixon, these things are covering holes in the body.... ;-)

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:12:27 -0600
From: Mage <mage@cia.com>
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

Alexander P. Grice wrote:
> Rick Robinson <mage@cia.com> wrote:
> >Anyone have an opinion on what is the best engine to swap into a '74
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> promptly appllied to the frame, the Rover being towed and the next nine
> vehicles....
> He's off the list right now, so I can relay E-mails.  Cheers

What exactly is the "Iron Duke"?  Was it used in cars?  (Your mention of mercruiser seems to 
suggest boats)  I am still searching for info on specific engines that are an easy swap.  So 
far this GM engine seems the most promising, but I do not have enough information yet.

Thanks,
Rick Robinson

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:56:38 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Joke (at the expense of Range Rover Owners)

William Caloccia wrote:
> It so happens that the summer intern in my office over heard me talking
> about how unobtainable the Michelin 4x4 XPC 235/70R16 tyres were for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
>       793-PTA            '90 RR County
>                          (desperately in need of tyres)

Gee... All these years I've thought that was a Porsche joke!  (But pretty 
funny in that context.)

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:56:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

>What exactly is the "Iron Duke"?  Was it used in cars?

The "Iron Duke" is a GM 4 cyl engine which was used in both front wheel drive
and rear wheel drive vehicles in North America. It was 2.5 l and there is
also a 3.0 l boat/industrial version still in production. The "Iron Duke"
name was superceded by "Tech IV" although the latter never really caught on.
The car/truck engine was introduced in the late mid/late 70's and was last
used around '94. The boat version continues to be quite popular. Usage
included (from memory):
70's Sunbirds (Vega derivatives)
70's Monzas, Skylarks
Jeep CJ's around 1980
Camaros/Firebirds in early 80's (I drove one which was used for some aero
testing. Very few were sold)
Citation, Phoenix, Skylark, Omega (fwd X-cars)
Celebrity, 6000, Ciera, Century (fwd A-cars)
Grand-Am, Achieva, Skylark (fwd N-cars)
S/T Pickup and Blazer/Jimmy

A number of changes were made over the life of the engine. The cylinder head
was changed to a cross flow design (intake and exhaust manifolds on opposite
sides) around 1980. Throttle body injection arrived in the early 80's. I
believe the fwd and rwd versions have some fundamental differences in the
block castings such as starter location and flange design. Check what is
needed for the conversion before buying an engine. A boat engine is also a
possibility if you don't mind the money.

David Cockey
  

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 03:47:38 UT
From: "Stephen Fogg" <sfogg@msn.com>
Subject: Magazines for Land Rover Owners

I understand that there are a couple of magazines that cater to Land Rover 
owners. If anyone has the subscription address to either of them handy, please 
e-mail me (sfogg@msn.com).

Thanks. 

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:46:10 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Patchwork Landie

Hi all

I'm trying to determine the approximate year of my Landy (1), and whether
it's a II or IIA (not as silly a question as it sounds :-)

I thought I had a IIA, but:

1. The rear axle, or maybe just the backing plates and brake cylinders, are
Series I

2. The chassis is a Series II (something to do with large drain holes under
the front spring mounts) Station Wagon (Rear tank, no hole in crossmember
behind tank for PTO)

3. The VIN sez IIA, and the number matches the 109 (Pick up, I assume, not
Station Wagon)

4. This thing was assembled locally, shipped from England as 'kits', so LR
UK can't tell me the date of manufacture based on the VIN. Which is probably
not the original VIN anyway. Also, this means that there's no serial number
on any (front or rear) spring hangers. Also no #s on the axles.

So, can we try to bracket the engine and gearbox numbers?

Engine: 151911190
(BTW, the head seems to be marked 27...2, whatsitmean?)
Gearbox: 151911439

There seems to be a pattern in the engine and gearbox #s, 1519 probably
means something, and 11190/11439 would be a sequential #, same as the
chassis numbers.

Anybody out there with similar #s?

Wouter

--
Wouter de Waal        Phone : +27 21 683 5490
Development Engineer  Fax   : +27 21 683 5435
CCII Systems
Kenilworth, South Africa

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 8:42:29 BST

> On Wed, 26 Jun 96, "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com> wrote:
> >There's been alot of talk recently about mounting Fire Extinguishers in 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> comes with a metal mounting bracket.  A suitable size would be (in my opinion, I 
> go looking for fires, though) at least a couple pounds of extinguishant.
> Electrical fire?  In a Land Rover?   

Nahhh!  :-)

I have a Dry Powder extinguisher - bought from Halfords (UK car/bike bits
chain store), so its meant for vehicles. I think these are probably the most
common in the UK. When I bought it, my father suggested that I should have
bought a CO2 one instead - too late! His reasoning was the resulting mess
afterwards. CO2 ones are *the* ones of choice for electrics - cf. all the black
extinguishers in computer rooms.

Richard.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:12:18 +0000
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers

Quoting Richard Marsden, from 27 Jun 96

> I have a Dry Powder extinguisher - bought from Halfords (UK car/bike bits
> chain store), so its meant for vehicles. I think these are probably the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> resulting mess afterwards. CO2 ones are *the* ones of choice for
> electrics - cf. all the black extinguishers in computer rooms.
Rescue vehicles carry foam and CO2.

Foam works by blanketing the fire in and depriving it of oxygen - 
without dispersing the flamable liquid. The problem with foam is that it 
wrecks fabrics!

CO2 is good if the fire is in a hard-to-reach place - like a dashboard.

I guess powder is a combination of the two, and without the fabric killing 
properties...

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:30:32 +1000
From: Richard Clarke <CLARKER@goldy.agvic.gov.au>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

LandRover Brakes

On an Ex-army ambulance that I used to have I found the cause of some 
mysterious brake happennings to be the rear shoes jumping off the 
adjusters (the adjusters were worn and the pin on the shoe slightly 
bent)  On occassion it would jump off - using all the brake fluid to 
move that cylinder out and none left to apply any force (non-split 
system) New adjusters and a replacement shoe and it was fixed.

I disagree with the comment about fixing wheel cylinders - if you get 
them fitted with a stainless sleeve they never rust (like steel ones) 
and don't score (like alloy ones) ever again.  All you have to do is 
replace the rubber seals occassionally.  In Australia it costs about 
the same to re-sleeve as to by new but there is a bit of stffing 
around and it usually takes a few days.  I have aways resleeved, and 
never had to do more than replace rubbers on a re-sleeved cylinder.  
(you can get this done for master cylinders too.Richard Clarke
Manager Internal Audit Services
Department of Agriculture, Energy and Minerals
Victoria 
Australia

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