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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:23:47 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Overheating

Richard, your fan should have little or no effect at speed - airflow
should be at least as good just by moving though the air.

One thought though, does the fan rotate the correct way? If is blows air
from behind the rad to infront it will lead to trouble at speed as there
is less airflow with the fan on than with it off.

Other thoughts: clogged radiator (internally or externally); some bright
spark removed the thermostat (makes it run hotter if you do that one);
dodgy head gasket; lean mixture (but if you had the speed to overtake
probably not :-) ); defective gauge; no antifreeze (ie just water); no
water (or antifreeze!).

As yours is ex-mil it should have the oil cooler in front of the rad. If
you have cooling problems with this fitted it is indicative of something
odd, as the cooling system should be up to anything you can throw at it
without towing large trailers across the Saraha.

It's funny how they run cold when it's freezing so the heater won't work
and hot when it's hot and you really don't want the heater working.

Have fun, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x5209     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Overheating
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 12:41:24 BST

> Richard, your fan should have little or no effect at speed - airflow
> should be at least as good just by moving though the air.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> from behind the rad to infront it will lead to trouble at speed as there
> is less airflow with the fan on than with it off.

This is what I was thinking - wired up the wrong way? I'm going to check it
tonight.

> Other thoughts: clogged radiator (internally or externally); some bright
> spark removed the thermostat (makes it run hotter if you do that one);
> dodgy head gasket; lean mixture (but if you had the speed to overtake
> probably not :-) ); defective gauge; no antifreeze (ie just water); no
> water (or antifreeze!).

A radiator drain/clean/refill is something I was going to do tomorrow anyway.
It could be this.  Where the thermocouple goes in the "Kenlowe Patent Seal",
I do leak a *tiny* amount of water.
Water is full. Also antifreeze, although it might be a little dilute, because
I've topped it up with straight water.

Actually, on the way up to Cambridge, it was running a little warmer than
usual (not as much as now), but I put this down to my electrical problem.
The new fan was running then, so perhaps it is a clogged radiator.

Fan thermostat appears to function. It runs warm, even with the override
switch (which is working) is on.

 
> As yours is ex-mil it should have the oil cooler in front of the rad. If
> you have cooling problems with this fitted it is indicative of something
> odd, as the cooling system should be up to anything you can throw at it
> without towing large trailers across the Saraha.

Don't think I've seen this. I definitely don't remember seeing anything in
front of the radiator (which is where the fan is now). Shall investigate
this. Its possible that the the PO took it out, or I didn't have one
originally?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII FFR 109)

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: SIII for sale
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 08:43:00 DST

Son Alex reluctantly has to part with his Series III. He needs the cash and 
he's not getting it from me.
1974 SIII 88" Hardtop. Recent engine rebuild, O/D, Good paint, chassis 
plated. Asking $3500 Can.
Enquiries to Alex Easton 905-945-6128

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:42:49 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: Good to see list again.

Everyone,

Just when you think all your hard work is coming to an end on your beloved
LR, it is inevitable that it is not. I replaced my radiator and clutch
master cylinder this past Sat. Phew, finally at a point that will allow me
to get some use out of my 1960 SII 88"... not!

I'm driving around rural Lake City, FL and I notice a squish, squish,
squeal sound. At first I thought it was my brakes because I had just bled
them and the pedal felt funny. Upon inspection I found that both rear
wheels were loose, ah man... my bearings are bad. The squeal sound I later
found out was by outer bearing coming apart on my left rear wheel. I found
this out while trying to limp back to our farm. I tried to stop at a stop
sign and the rover kept going. Now, this is nothing unusual, I've been in
this situation on numerous occasions. Well... no quite like this. While I'm
coasting I look at my left rear wheel and it is sticking out about 1 1/2'
from fender!

On inspection I found that both of my back wheels' bearings were shot.  So,
I'm not done yet. Maybe next weekend...

Jim Karantinos
Tallahassee, FL

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:48:31 -500
Subject: 109 sighting

Anyone on the list traveling west on I64 in Virginia, just east of 
Charlottesville in a dark colored (blue?) 109/110, at about noon on 
Sunday the 23rd ?  Just caught a glimpse as I was heading east.
First Series vehicle sighted in a-month-O-sundays here.  BTW, 
I was on the Harley doin @85 at the time, so it was a short 
glimpse...returning from a quick, early morning 300 mile ride with a 
few friends..........as good for the soul as rid'n in a Series.......
John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA"
'89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig)

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Flat Battery
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 08:59:00 DST

This weekend when I went to start Miss G her battery was flat. Like totally, 
zero volts. I attached the trickle charger and it wouldn't even draw current 
so I thought it must be shot. Then slowly current started to rise. Left 
overnight and by the morning it was revived .  Someone said this was a 
symptom of a lightning strike or near miss and we have had some storms the 
last few days.  I checked the recharged battery for current draw when all 
was off and there is none. Any suggestions. I'd like to resolve the problem, 
if there is one, before the Down East Trip next week.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 15:16:53 MET DST
From: 24-Jun-1996 1415 <heslop@mugger.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE(2): Billing LR meet

TerriAnn asked about opening time on thursday.

On my ticket it says arrive any time on thursday. I'd noted the time slots on
the offroad course start at 1pm or so. So looks like lunch time onwards should
be fine, though I expect it will be near 6pm when I get there.

Brian Heslop
'89 RR
Bolton, UK

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:20:49 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Billing

Hi, can somebody give me some more details on Billing-show in Northampton? 
The only thing I know is: 'Billing: 19-21 july'
I'm interested to go but I can't be there before saturday afternoon (I have 
to go to a marriage of a good friend on friday-evening -ahhhg). So is it 
still worth to come over from Belgium to Billing, just for saturday evening 
and sunday ? 
If I had more time I would take my Lightweight but I guess it will take less 
time if I do it by boat/train/bus (because I don't have an overdrive...).

See you,

Philippe C.
'81 Lightweight (ffr)   

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:23:16 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: tow hooks

Hi all, welcome back...

[Just want to say thanks to Dixion and Trevor and a few mystery guests of OVLR
for helping out with some timing things while the major was away. Hope the 
OVLR birthday party had the kind of weather we're having here...]

OK, tow hooks. My father in law wants me to help him pull a few tree stums
(medium small - from cedar trees) with my 88. Since I put the new frame on,
I haven't added any tow hooks or any recovery/towing appendages. So, where is
the best place to mount some of the little buggers, front and rear. I was
planning to use the bolt on kind, as opposed to having them welded.

I'd just like some feedback before I go drilling holes - I don't have much
experience towing things, and no experience doing anything like this with
the LR.
Tim- I'd use the standard tow rings up front (38 bucks for the whole kit from 
RN) and the standard tow hitch with the pin and chain in the back. If you don't 
have the rear hitch, DAP will sell you a used one cheap. (75 bucks or so, w/o 
pin and chain), and you could buy the hardware from RN to make sure its the 
right thing. Don't forget on the rear hitch there's a flat steel plate that goes
on the inside part of the x-member to keep the bolts from pulling through the 
frame (yikes) You could make this out of 1/4" steel if you can find a drill 
press. As for rope, I don't really know since I haven't pulled any stumps or 
read about it. 

Happy Stumping,

Dave "Might want to check rear halfshaft prices, too" B.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:27:38 -0400
From: CLARE & LEE DUNKELBERG <104514.3120@compuserve.com>
Subject: D-90 doors

My wife loves our new (for us) highway department yellow  '94 D-90. 
However, she hates dealing with its doors.  I know one option is to remove
them.   Short of that, has anyone rigged doors so that they don't
automatically come down on fingers, ankles and other parts of anatomy while
entering and exiting   They will stay open if you are parked nose down on a
steep slope.  
If the only answer is: "Deal with i," I can accept that and start taking
off the passenger door.  Any polite suggestions on where to put the
speakers?
Cheers!

Lee

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:57:00 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Engine swaps

At  9:40 PM 6/23/96 -0600, Mage wrote:

>Anyone have an opinion on what is the best engine to swap into a
>'74 Series III?  My current 2.25 is running OK, but I wouldn't mind a
;bit more power so that highway speeds are not so painfull.  I find that
>90km/hr is about the best I can do.  Is that normal?  Basically my goal
>is to have my Landie be a daily driver that can travel comfortably (for
;the Landie, not me) in the 0 - 110 km/hr range.  Any suggestions are
>appreciated.
;
>Rick Robinson
;'74 Series III
;Beautiful British Green

Your options vary by what country you live in.

Asuming that you are in the US, a petrol engine is your best bet.  Hopping
up your 2-1/4L or using Scotty's adaptor kit to put a GM 4 cylinder are
your easiest solutions.

Steve at British Pacific has a dependable hop-up plan to rebuild your
2-1/4L engine for more dependable power.

GM made a number of 4 cylinder engines with different power levels.  Using
the Chevy iron four cylinder engine for instance, you can end up with about
half again more power, better gas milage and have a lighter engine.  The GM
four cylinders use the stock engine mounts, carb linkage & if you use the
right Rochester, the stock aircleaner & stock radiator.  In most cases you
do not need to modify your enging compartment.  This is the closest to a
pure bolt in solution.

Next common is the Chevy 6 cylinder, also using Scottys adaptor kit.  This
requires moving the radiator , making some changes to the bulkhead, and
ether moving the fan or putting in an electric fan.

I think the ultimate would be converting your series car to a stage I using
a Rover V8

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:11:43 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Off Road Day

Dear All,
        Now that the list is back up and running, I'm going to put this out
one last time...
        In regards to the July 4th Off Road Day and the DownEast Rally...

        *** Anyone attending the Saturday Off Road Day MUST be on the RSVP
list to gain entry at the gate. ***
         Most of you have emailed me, and if you have, you most likely got
the directions and such in the mail from me, and you are confirmed. *Thank
you!* I have seen a lot of names pass around on the digest about who is
driving from where etc, and most of those names are not confirmed. So... If
you plan to attend the Sunday Rally Day, please come and have some fun, no
need to confirm. BUT, if you are planning to come to the Saturday Off Road
Day you must have registered or you will NOT GET IN, and that would suck
big time! If you got information from Myles you MAY or MAY NOT be
confirmed!!!!!!!! You must let me or Myles know exactly how many people
will be in your party if you plan to go on Saturday. Myles sent out the
information to all without getting a firm confirmation, so at this point
the only people confirmed for the Off Road Day are those that have told him
they are positively coming, and those who have spoken to or emailed me.
        The staff of East Coast Rover has a lot of prep. to do for our off
road day, and we will only be preparing for the confirmed number, so more
people will not be able to *drop in* If you have not confirmed, or know
someone who has not confirmed, please do so, or get them to do so. The
total number is crucial for our planning, so that is why you will not gain
entry on a drive up situation, unless you are confirmed.
        Hope to see you all there, and hope you are all on the RSVP list!
Recent rains have been keeping the pond quite high, and the streams flowing
better than last year *last year was very dry*. Alan has also cut at least
one more section for the brave, *hey, that is what you requested last year*
and everything looks like it is shaping up well.
        Thanks for your time, and please make SURE you are somehow
confirmed with the Off Road Day Staff! That is anyone from East Coast
Rover.
        207.594.8086 or ecrover@midcoast.com

        See you in July!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:19:06 -0500
From: Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com>
Subject: re: Marvin Rosen

Hi all,
I missed the first post about Marvin Rosen and only caught Jeff's reply.
He was right on.  I recommend that anyone who is considering a purchase
from him drop me a note first to hear what he tried to slough off on me.  I
can at least warn you what to look for and tell you some funny stories I've
heard from others.
Fred

===========================================================================
 Fred Ellsworth                                Phone: (617) 441-2113
 Lockheed Martin ADS                           Fax:   (617) 441-2059
 50 Moulton Street                             e-mail:
 Cambridge, MA  USA                            fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com
 

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: D-90 doors
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:26:21 +-200

CLARE & LEE DUNKELBERG writes:
Short of that, has anyone rigged doors so that they don't
automatically come down on fingers, ankles and other parts of anatomy while
entering and exiting   They will stay open if you are parked nose down on a
steep slope.  
If the only answer is: "Deal with i," I can accept that and start taking
off the passenger door.  Any polite suggestions on where to put the
speakers?

I have an early 110" from 1983.
I solved the problem with one of the small "gassprings", I don't know the proper
English word, that is use in photocopiers and large laserprinters.
Down on the front door, there is a piece of iron that shall stop the door from 
open too much. I exchanged this with this cylinder with compressed air, it holds
the door open, but it can not protect it from opening too much, therefor a piece 
of chain is fitted to do that job.

NB: Bee careful in narrow parking areas, because the door will open to maximum
if You don't have Your hand on it. It can make bad scratches in the car next to you.

Happy Rovering
Bent Boehlers

110" V8 1983
86" 2l 1955

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:06:42 -0500
Subject: re: Engine Swaps

If the primary goal is to improve highway performance, an overdrive might
be a better/cheaper solution. 

tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 10:41:50 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Adjusting mixture on Zeneth carbs

>>Stupid question #467: Which way to turn the mixture screw on the Zeneth for
richer? I assume that bringing the screw out, i.e. ccw, is richer, correct?

Depends which hemisphere you're in...:)
If you're not sure which hemisphere you're in, then check your starter crank to 
see if it's left or right handed...

Actually, I don't really "know", since I don't have Zenith, but screw out is 
usually richer.

>>Doesn't seem to be making a wit of difference one way or another, I do have
a new screw, but I think I'll check the float again, too...

It takes a while to be able to tell the difference, it's good to do it by ear 
and then do it with a tachometer, since that way you train your ear to hear what
it sounds like when it's running well. There isn't a large range of engine 
speeds here, don't know what it is with the Zenith but it's a very small 
"window" of adjustment on the Weber. Like maybe one or one and a half turns 
between too lean (engine stalls) and too rich (engine speed doesn't change, 
eventually engine stalls or screw falls out) In other words it's a relatively 
finicky adjustment. Make sure all your breathers are set up properly and your 
air filter is clean and your valves are properly adjusted. Also check the bolts 
that hold down the carb, they tend to drift out over time (at least mine do). 
All of these things can affect mixture. Not to mention leaky exhaust pipes and 
intake/exhaust manifolds which can also change things but are constants until 
you fix them so they don't *really* count for this exercise. I think I had the 
best luck doing the ignition timing last of all, but I don't remember for sure. 
You may also want to check your point gaps and spark plug gaps, these things can
make an enormous difference. I usually had to do another tune-up after about a 
month and a half. Usually valve adjustments alone would do the trick, sometimes 
had to reset the point gap.

BTW, is there a problem or are you just "tuning for power"

Cheers

Dave "one big YMMV" B.

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Date: 24 Jun 1996 07:47:33 -0700
From: "Bob Frey" <frey@smtp.pvr.com>
Subject: Re: D-90 doors

The door retainers were changed for the 1995 model...They should be =
retrofittable to the 1994. 

 ------ From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net, Mon, Jun 24, 1996 =
------ 

My wife loves our new (for us) highway department yellow  '94 D-90. 
However, she hates dealing with its doors.  I know one option is to =
remove
them.   Short of that, has anyone rigged doors so that they don't
automatically come down on fingers, ankles and other parts of anatomy =
while
entering and exiting   They will stay open if you are parked nose down on =
a
steep slope.  

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 10:55:35 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Engine Swaps

>>If the primary goal is to improve highway performance, an overdrive might
be a better/cheaper solution. 

Unless the whole engine needs rebuilding. Then an overdrive won't help alot :)
If the enigne's a 2 1/4 petrol, and is in good order, than I would wholly 
recommend replacing it with an "Iron Puke" 4cyl. You will be eternally happy 
that you made this switch, garuanteed. Yep, it's the best engine there is.

Cheers

Dave "Then send me the 2 1/4" B.

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:56:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Adjusting mixture on Zeneth carbs

> BTW, is there a problem or are you just "tuning for power"

I'm running way too rich (again). Plugs are black and sooty, and my mileage
is crap (even for a Rover).

Everything I've read says to time it first, then do valves and mixture - both
the list 'general maintenance' file and the Haynes manual. Plugs and points
are both gapped ok - checked 'em yesterday.

I had the carb apart about a year and a half ago, adjusting the float. I've
done only about 1 or 2 thousand miles since then. Air cleaner was cleaned &
refilled last fall, which equates to about 100 miles ago.

Your mention of breathers brings up an interesting point. I noticed while
I had the wings & stuff off that the breather port on the oil filler was
pinched closed, same with the port on the air intake. I have a breather cap
on the valve cover, but should there be a line that runs from the filler to
the air intake?

The carb is tonights little project...

tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:09:30 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: OVLR B-day bash.

Gee Bill C takes a weekend off to attend the OVLR and the list repairs
itself.  Good on you, Major!

I returned yesterday evening from the Ottawa excursion.  I'll leave to
others to give the blow-by-blow, or let you read it in my upcoming WWW
article, but I do want to share some initial impressions...

A Canadian "light offroad course" is not to be taken lightly.  However it
was tons of fun.  This was the first time I had my Rover offroad --
assuming fields, logging roads and dirt trails don't really count as such
-- and I was totally amazed at how competent a Land-Rover makes you look.
Thanks to Eric Z, Dixon, and other assorted OVLR members for friendly
advice, and for patiently answering my beginners questions before I tackled
some of the "special" stages.  I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures...

Any attempt at selecting a "Best of Show" in the homebrewers category is
total folly.  Alan Richer's "Churchill's Diesel Crankcase Stout", Spenny's
"Nutty Brown Dog Ale" (I think it was an ale, but I'm sure he'll be quick
to correct me if I remembered it wrong), and Charlie Haight's "Party Pig"
are all wonderful.  This doesn't mean that I won't continue testing though,
so I'm looking forward to seeing Alan and Spen at Owl's Head.

An offroad Beer cooler is a good idea.  No, we didn't really drag it along
offroad -- OPP means something else entirely in Ottawa -- but it was there
waiting when we got back.  I'll leave it to Dixon to explain the
construction details.

Jon Humphrey plays a mean banjo.  I reported this fact from the last ROAV
Mid-Atlantic, but it's still true.  Thanks as always to Jon and the
"unknown"  guitar player  for the soundtrack to our madness.

On a related note, bagpipes make for an excellent alarm clock.  I've never
had an easier time shooting out of my warm  bed into a rain storm at 5AM.
Thanks to Mike Loiodice for teaching me this.  I'll definitely use it in
the future when I absolutely, positively MUST get up -- no matter how late
the previous evening (early the morning?) or how much  "Nutty Brown Dog
Party Pig Diesel Crankcase" was consumed.  I'm off to Tower today to
prepare myself.

Alan's Churchill may have Nigel's disease.  About halfway home I noticed
that I had developed a serious case of "double-pump" brakes.  I'll be
sorting that out later today.  (I told you I was learning Mike.)

Just one look (and listen) at Dixon's Rover will restore ANYONE's faith in
the soundness of their own vehicle.  (I'm paraphrasing Russ here, the exact
quote and accompanying photo will appear in the WWW article.)

Speaking of Dixon, apparently he  is turning over a new leaf.  His vehicle
was seen sporting numerous corporate sponsership decals from the likes of
Apple Computer and American Express...

 In Canada it is possible to purchase the services of a (very)  young girl
for a "Twony" -- just ask "I was going to write you a check later" Spenny.

It is possible to crankstart a 2.25 petrol while it's in gear.  That's the
last time I'm parking in front of the Wayoutback machine.  No harm - no
foul though.

There are some things that you just don't want to think about.  I'm still
trying to force the pictures from my mind -- thanks a lot Alan and the
bonfire gang.

This is probably the most important lesson of all -- if you find some
excuse NOT to attend the OVLR Birthday Party (you know who you are) be
warned -- people WILL make you the focus of as many jokes as Dixon's Rover.
Bbaaaddd.

Thanks to everyone in the OVLR, and to the property owner, for the great time.

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR B-day bash.

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

> A Canadian "light offroad course" is not to be taken lightly.  However it
> was tons of fun.  This was the first time I had my Rover offroad --

	Had one chap come up to me on the afternoon session complaining
	that he had signed up for the light off-road and not the heavy.
	Had to explain it to him that he was on the light off-road... :-)

> An offroad Beer cooler is a good idea.  No, we didn't really drag it along
> offroad -- OPP means something else entirely in Ottawa -- but it was there
> waiting when we got back.  I'll leave it to Dixon to explain the
> construction details.

	We will drag it off-road one time.  It is still in a bit of a
	prototype stage.  For off-road it will need internal baffling
	to minimise the sloshing about.  How to build one?  Simple.
	Recognise that coolers, fish boxes etc, just will not keep ice
	and beer cool over an extended length of time.  There is not
	enough volume there.  Plan to leave on a Thursday and you want
	the opportunity for an ice-cold Brown Dog Ale or Diesel
	Crankcase stout on Sunday, you have a big problem (no plug ins,
	electricity, stores that close etc.

	So, you take one surplus M-100 military trailer (basically this
	is the same as the Jeep trailers made in the USA in the late
	1940's and early 1950's.  Our Army is just now starting to sell off
	the trailers from the early 1950's.  Mine is from 1953).  Line
	the inside with 1 inch stryofoam SM (the blue stuff used on houses)
	and then put in a large plastic tarp.  Cover one side lengthwise
	with the styrofoam, sealing it on the top.  The other half you
	hinge with a second sheet of styrofoam.  Put a tarp over this,
	clamped down on the sealed side, drapped over the opening
	side.  Add 15 shopping bags of ice on Thursday morning and you
	*will* have that nice frosty ale Sunday afternoon.  If I figure
	out what to do about a massively blown head gasket I may even
	bring it down to the Downeast Rally.  (Damn head gasket is keeping
	me down to 45-50mph, and blowing about a litre every 60 miles.
	Hmmm, how far to Maine... Oil is cheap in the USA... :-))

> Just one look (and listen) at Dixon's Rover will restore ANYONE's faith in
> the soundness of their own vehicle.  (I'm paraphrasing Russ here, the exact
> quote and accompanying photo will appear in the WWW article.)

	You have preventative maintenance and you have "use it till it
	breaks, then use it some more, and fix it when it is beyond hope
	maintenance"  I am an expert in the later.  Ya didn't see that many
	shiney Series vehicles at Silver Lake...

> Apple Computer and American Express...

	So you think...  Apple <retch> Computer logo on the wing mirror is
	all I can see... :-)

> It is possible to crankstart a 2.25 petrol while it's in gear.  That's the
> last time I'm parking in front of the Wayoutback machine.  No harm - no
> foul though.

	You forgot about Mike's "park by feel" at midnight of so 
	Friday... :-)

> There are some things that you just don't want to think about.  I'm still
> trying to force the pictures from my mind -- thanks a lot Alan and the
> bonfire gang.

	Be good or the Rover Inquisition will be to visit...

> This is probably the most important lesson of all -- if you find some
> excuse NOT to attend the OVLR Birthday Party (you know who you are) be
> warned -- people WILL make you the focus of as many jokes as Dixon's Rover.
> Bbaaaddd.

	Worse are those who said they were coming and bailed...  Makes for
	great conversation... :-)

	

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:57:01 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: 1968 Land Rover Production

Hi all,

Good to be back online.  I recently received a letter back from John Riley at Land Rover 
about assembly date for my "1967" (at least on the title) 88". (Thank you for the 
information, Land Rover).  Turns out it was assembled on or about June 10, 1968 (a 
Monday I think).  The curious part of all this is that the VIN numbers before and after 
my VIN were assembled on May 22 or 23.  

Any ideas why the 3 week delay?

Just curious

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:16:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 1968 Land Rover Production

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Nathan Dunsmore wrote:

> I recently received a letter back from John Riley at Land Rover 
> about assembly date for my "1967" (at least on the title) 88". 

	You get the one page sheet with all the sequential serial numbers
	and where they went with yuour letter?  If so, I am trying to get
	copies of all of these one page sheets.  I would like to put them into
	the web site so people can reference the material.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:26:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Sighting

Saturday while driving through Everett Wa. (Washington state) I spotted a
military colored 109 pulling a small military trailer!!  I could not wave as
I was on the overpass above the vehicle.  This was a fine example, and from
the appearance I`ll venture a guess that it is privatly owned.
John Cooper 1969 11a

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:09:13 GMT
From: Andy Purser <apurs@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1968 Land Rover Production

>	You get the one page sheet with all the sequential serial numbers
>	and where they went with yuour letter?  If so, I am trying to get
>	copies of all of these one page sheets.
>	Dixon,

     I just got the same sheet for the 1973 ser. III. Production dates are
for the 11/72 production run. If you need a copy, send your mailing address
and I will send it out.
Andy Purser
Apurs@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 14:24:29 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Adjusting mixture on Zeneth carbs

> BTW, is there a problem or are you just "tuning for power"
I'm running way too rich (again). Plugs are black and sooty, and my mileage
is crap (even for a Rover).

If you can't get it right, look for intake leaks. The extra air will cause it to
run rich in order to run "properly". Check for leaks by spraying carb cleaner 
around the various sealing locations of the intake syatem. (Manifold gaskets, 
carb base and throttle shaft, intake elbow, pinched off breather tubes on intake
elbow, etc...) Any increase in engine revs or change in sound after such 
spraying indicates an intake leak. (The carb cleaner acts as a temporary seal.)

Everything I've read says to time it first, then do valves and mixture - both
the list 'general maintenance' file and the Haynes manual.

Yes indeed, absolutely, for static timing. (Your engine may not run if you skip 
this step) After everything else is adjusted, I like to run the engine, and then
loosen the distributor pinch bolt so that I can advance the timing by rotating 
the distributor clockwise, until it just starts to ping and then back again some
to smooth it out. You can hear and feel the difference in the running when you 
do this and I think it's alot more accurate than static timing which works well 
on new clean engines but doesn't factor in years and years of wear and carbon 
buildup, as well as the different additives in modern fuel.

>>Your mention of breathers brings up an interesting point. I noticed while
I had the wings & stuff off that the breather port on the oil filler was
pinched closed, same with the port on the air intake. ....lro-lite, kiss my 
sweet potato-e.... I have a breather cap
on the valve cover, but should there be a line that runs from the filler to
the air intake?

Should be a line from rocker cover to the one on the elbow, and then one from 
the filler neck to PCV valve to carb base, but for lack of a PCV valve and 
proper fitting at base of carb, just route the hose from the filler neck down 
along the neck to some where low so it blows all the crap out onto the street 
and your new frame. Secure it with a few nylon ties. If the cap on the valve 
cover doesn't have any fittings for a hose then it's the old style and you don't
have to do anything with it, just clean it. Also if you have the breather style 
filler cap then you ought to just leave 'em pinched off since the engine 
breathes though here...

The carb is tonights little project...

I thought you were done....:)

Dave "Having fun yet?" B.

---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:14:53 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: New Baby; Infant Seat In SIIA?

My daughter Kathryn arrived recently (6/7/96) and my habit of reading her
LRO articles _in utero_ must have paid off as she is a very nice baby.

Does anyone have experience installing an infant seat in a SIIA 109 3-door
(not the Station Wagon)?  If installed in the center seat it looks like it
would block my reach to the "forest" below.  And there seems to be no
reasonable place in the rear to install it.  This is one reason I feel
forced to sell the Rover (to get a RR) but if a good solution could be found
I might be spared that cost.

Incidentally, here's a sighting: a SII or SIIA 88" in green with rolled-up
soft top in the latest issue of "Shape" magazine.  I know -- how many LRO's
read this magazine anyway? -- well, my wife does.   It is part of an article
about best places to go car camping and is further proof that whenever
editors want to portray a sort of rugged outdoorsy insousiance, they reach
for an early Rover. 

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:38:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 1968 Land Rover Production

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Andy Purser wrote:

> >	You get the one page sheet with all the sequential serial numbers
> >	and where they went with yuour letter?  If so, I am trying to get
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> for the 11/72 production run. If you need a copy, send your mailing address
> and I will send it out.

	Dixon Kenner
	103 Irving Avenue, #2
	Ottawa, Ontario
	Canada  K1Y 1Z3
	(f) 613 947-7396

	Thanks...

	The more of these we can gather, the more interesting this will be
	to see where this all goes.  As for the breaks in dates that was 
	mentioned, when looking over on for an 80 here in Ottawa, the listing
	is all based around the serial number prefix.  Thus, if you have 
	a IIA 109 station wagon, the sheet will only be of about 25 of them
	built around yours with the 264 prefix.  There could be breaks of
	weeks inbetween subsequent numbers because they were building
	RHD 109's pick-ups etc at the time, all of which have a different
	prefix, and thus would be recorded on a different sheet.

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:34:16 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Adjusting mixture on Zeneth carbs

Dave quips...

> I thought you were done....:)

> Dave "Having fun yet?" B.

Sure I'm having fun. If I wasn't, i would have sold the bugger months ago...

But here's what I really said...

>From Log 18:

So now the frame replacement is done, and I can go back to having all
the basic maintenance things that everyone else has to do. Thanks for
all the support and encouragemant from everyone on the list.

The End? Hardly. Is a Land Rover ever "done?"

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

------------------------------

From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:18:12 -0400
Subject: Defender roll-bar in Series?

I have a friend who just bought a LaForza...  Anyhow, the p.o. also included
a bunch of running boards, roll-bar,...  The roll-bar is from a Defender 90
and he was wondering if I wanted it (apparently, it will work in the
LaForza).   I have a '73 Series III 88.   Would the roll-bar fit?  What
modifications would I need to do to make it work...  I'd save myself time and
trouble by sizing it out, but my LR is currently in the shop getting a new
engine and won't be available for a couple of weeks...  My friend would like
to get it out of his garage sooner, but will hang on to it for me if it looks
like it'll fit...

Suggestions, comments?

Chris Fisher
---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Defender roll-bar in Series?
Date:    96-06-24 15:16:22 EDT
From:    ChrisF6724

I have a friend who just bought a LaForza...  Anyhow, the p.o. also included
a bunch of running boards, roll-bar,...  The roll-bar is from a Defender 90
and he was wondering if I wanted it (apparently, it will work in the
LaForza).   I have a '73 Series III 88.   Would the roll-bar fit?  What
modifications would I need to do to make it work...  I'd save myself time and
trouble by sizing it out, but my LR is currently in the shop getting a new
engine and won't be available for a couple of weeks...  My friend would like
to get it out of his garage sooner, but will hang on to it for me if it looks
like it'll fit...

Suggestions, comments?

Chris Fisher

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 19:30:31 UT
From: "Charles F. Proctor" <CharlesFProctor@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Engine swaps

I am in the middle of an installation of a Chevy 4 cyl 3 liter engine; call me 
at 508-987-2626 to talk to a human.

----------
From: 	TeriAnn Wakeman
Sent: 	Monday, June 24, 1996 9:57 AM
Subject: 	Re: Engine swaps

At  9:40 PM 6/23/96 -0600, Mage wrote:

>Anyone have an opinion on what is the best engine to swap into a
>'74 Series III?  My current 2.25 is running OK, but I wouldn't mind a
;bit more power so that highway speeds are not so painfull.  I find that
>90km/hr is about the best I can do.  Is that normal?  Basically my goal
>is to have my Landie be a daily driver that can travel comfortably (for
;the Landie, not me) in the 0 - 110 km/hr range.  Any suggestions are
>appreciated.
;
>Rick Robinson
;'74 Series III
;Beautiful British Green

Your options vary by what country you live in.

Asuming that you are in the US, a petrol engine is your best bet.  Hopping
up your 2-1/4L or using Scotty's adaptor kit to put a GM 4 cylinder are
your easiest solutions.

Steve at British Pacific has a dependable hop-up plan to rebuild your
2-1/4L engine for more dependable power.

GM made a number of 4 cylinder engines with different power levels.  Using
the Chevy iron four cylinder engine for instance, you can end up with about
half again more power, better gas milage and have a lighter engine.  The GM
four cylinders use the stock engine mounts, carb linkage & if you use the
right Rochester, the stock aircleaner & stock radiator.  In most cases you
do not need to modify your enging compartment.  This is the closest to a
pure bolt in solution.

Next common is the Chevy 6 cylinder, also using Scottys adaptor kit.  This
requires moving the radiator , making some changes to the bulkhead, and
ether moving the fan or putting in an electric fan.

I think the ultimate would be converting your series car to a stage I using
a Rover V8

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 16:00:00 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[3]: Adjusting mixture on Zeneth carbs

Tim "re-quips":

>>Sure I'm having fun. If I wasn't, i would have sold the bugger months ago...

To who? I've often marveled at how much money goes into these things without 
actually increasing the value. $2,000 US worth o' parts and it aint worth diddly
with a bad frame...But, I wouldn't seel it anyway. I'd give up family, friends, 
pets, shelter, etc,...before parting with my beloved Landy. Yes I am that sick.

But here's what I really said...

;;;snip;;;;

>> I can go back to having all
the basic maintenance things that everyone else has to do. Thanks for
all the support and encouragemant from everyone on the list.

>>The End? Hardly. Is a Land Rover ever "done?"

Too-shay. Hope you are enjoying this latest adventure. Are you going to take 
apart the carb? If you do let me know how it goes since I'm still scared of 
those. I'm not good with lots of teeny little parts, better at things like huge 
crankshaft bearings and pounding in replacement wheel studs. Most little fiddy 
things just end up getting hacked up with a large grinding wheeel and then not 
replaced. Hard to live without a carb though.

Give me a "private" email regarding handbrake bits...

Cheers
Dave "What's the furthest it's gone since the rebuild?" B.

------------------------------

From: "Michaela Mellody" <mm000020@pixie.co.za>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:18:53 +0000
Subject: Brake problems

Hi everyone!

I own a 1969 Series IIA long-wheel base. I have been having major 
problems with the brakes, and I'm hoping that someone might be able 
to give me some advice. Ever since changing a rear-wheel cylinder and 
a couple of rubbers on the front wheels, I have not been able to 
bleed the brakes successfully. I have a CB type master cylinder and 
according to the manual, the brakes must be bled under pressure and 
with the front of the vehicle raised. I have pressurised the cylinder 
whilst bleeding the brakes on an incline of approximately 45 degrees. 
This has always worked reasonably, but never perfectly, but this time 
it's been totally unsuccessful. BTW, I've been through 2.5 litres of 
brake fluid and wasted three weekends in the last month, and I 
haven't moved from square one:-) The brakes work well if you pump them 
4-5 times, but this is obviously unsafe on the road. 

Regards
Michaela

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michaela Mellody    michaela@pixie.co.za
PGP Key on Request
Key Fingerprint=58 E1 2C 5D F0 F8 DC 48 D6 29 58 6F 9A D6 C1 73
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:24:08 -0500
Subject: Re:  Brake problems

>> The brakes work well if you pump them
4-5 times, but this is obviously unsafe on the road.<<

No offense if this is a dumb question: did you set the adjusters correctly?

I had similar symptoms on my 88 just recently after I did a bleed. I ended
up replacing the adjusters on the back, but it made a world of difference.

Actually, I have too much brake right now, I over adjusted two wheels and
the shoes are in contact, making the drum nice and toasty...

Tim 
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:30:17 -0400
Subject: Series II and IIa hand throttle instructions

I recently acquired two NOS hand throttle kits, part number 503033. Only one
was complete, tho, and I thought I was getting NOS Ser III kits. Doesn't much
matter, since I'm a parts nut anyway. I have made a few copies of the parts
list and installation instructions (p/n503034) with the intention of offering
them to the list free, for a SASE. Before anyone blows any copyright gaskets,
the sheet says it was "Re-issued August 1965" so I don't see any problem. The
complete kit has probably found a home, and I still need to inventory the
other. Hope its just the nuts/bolts that are missing. Gee, it's swell to see
the list again. I'm on the Rover car list now, cause I was going into
withdrawal! Cheers, All!!
John Dillingham, 408 Katherine Lane, Woodstock, GA 30189-3626
73 s3 SWB  (770)926-8314
72 s3 SWB rusted parts truck, mostly picked over
66 s2a SWB soft top "Red Rover" being minded for friend/customer 
Vintage Rover Service
"Since 1994, over dozen satisfied customers!"
"Sometimes, its easier to get foregiveness, than ask permission" ;-)

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:38:38 -0700
Subject: Re: OVLR B-day bash.

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

>> It is possible to crankstart a 2.25 petrol while it's in gear.  That's the
>> last time I'm parking in front of the Wayoutback machine.  No harm - no
>> foul though.
>	You forgot about Mike's "park by feel" at midnight of so 
>	Friday... :-)
The ideal instance of one getting what one deserves....Spenny really should 
watch where he parks next time :)

>	Be good or the Rover Inquisition will be to visit...
NOBODY expects the.....
Sorry, had to be said.

BTW, complete report coming soon. 

Eric
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Leaks and Sierra Mtns
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 15:40:21 PDT

Hello,
Sorry if I missed any reply's to my transfer case questions. I seemed to not
get any messages after I re-subscribed to the list. 

I found out from the dealer's shop why my transmission is different than what
is shown in my manual, its a different transmission (duhh!), they told me that
I have the newer transmission model in my '94 Defender-90, it does not have the
filter plug like the older model, they seemed suprised that I was trying to do
all my own maint on the truck.

I do need to go to the dealer though, because now I have a leak from my transfer
case, I am not sure where its comming from exactly, but gear oil is dripping
from the transfer case bottom metal sheet (the one with the squares stamped
into it). Since I am still under warrenty...

Also, I had fun going on some off-road trails in the Sierra's last 2 weekends.
Went on the Coyotee and Strawberry trails but was not able to get through
on the Dusty Ershime trail (Up by Edison Lake in the California Sierra Mtns.)
I Saw a green (I think) Def-90 parked in one of the towns on the way up 168
to the mountains, a local told me that the guy owns a 110 and that Defender,
if you are on the list, drop me a note.

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
'94 Defender-90 (Red)

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Date: 24 Jun 96 18:38:49 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: overheating

Welcome back digest, now where is the coil sprung digest ?
 Defnder90@aol.com writes re overheating on a 90. One other area to check is the
radiator. If the engine has been run with pure water, i.e. without inhibitors
the aluminum oxide from the engine causes a chemical reaction with the brass in
the rad which creates a layer of hard  stuff on the tubes thus reducing flow and
efficincy until complete blockage occurs.
 Solution new rad. no chemical treatments have been found to dissolve this crud.
mechanical abrasion can be tried with care, usual result a holed tube,

 regards Bill Leacock  limey in exile

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Date: 24 Jun 96 19:40:58 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Manuals

 David   you asked about parts lists 

I have :-
TP/158/A                           1948-53 80  Parts List
TP199A   pt No 4187  Ser 2 pet & diesel  Jan 1958
TP199C  pt No 4187  2 & 2A 3rd ed 1964 ?
TP 344A            4611  88 & 109 Reg. LWB and F/C  Dec 63
Pt No 605957   2 & 2A Bonnetted Control   1968
RTC 9009C Optional equip ser 3  Jan 77
RTC 9007C  Ser 3  1977
RTC 9007 D  Ser # 1978
RTC 9840 CB Ser 2A 1981
RTC 9841 CC ser 3 inc V8 1982
RTYC 9846CD Range Rover
 And various microfiches from around 1990 to 95
 And there are probably plenty more out there.
 In addition I also have several workshop manuals covering a similar range.
 do I qualify as a collector ?

 Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:07:22 +0200
From: "paul" <paul@www.adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Brake problems

Michaela Mellody wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I own a 1969 Series IIA long-wheel base. I have been having major
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> PGP Key on Request
> Key Fingerprint=58 E1 2C 5D F0 F8 DC 48 D6 29 58 6F 9A D6 C1 73
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Whaddayamean pumping 4-5 times is unsafe, I thought that was how they 
were meant to work!

Seriously though, I have been through 3 left rear wheel cylinders and 
an untold multitude of kits/brake fluid so far this year. I'm taking the 
vehicle up to Nelspruit and Phalaborwa (from Joeys) on Thursday so I 
guess I might find some time to tinker some more before then. I find that 
just bleeding the left rear cylinder is as effective (?) as bleeding the 
whole system - something about this being the furthest point from the 
booster and that all the air bubbles congregate there (doesn't sound too 
mechanically sound, but it seems to work that way). Have you considered 
putting a new kit in your booster cylinder, I tried this earlier this 
year and it seemed to work for a while anyway (I found that it was 
sucking air through the mechanical piston and if I removed the filler cap 
and pumped the brake a number of times the fluid in the reservoir would 
froth up like a milkshake).

Good luck

Paul Oxley

PS We're going to Botswana and Zim in August/September. Will keep you 
posted.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:15:49 -0400 (-0400)
From: rotero@ing.puc.cl (Rodrigo  Otero)
Subject: Re: Brake problems

It may  not be a problem with the bleeding.
If the rubber seals of the pump are not sealing well or the cilinder has
minor scratches then the  liquid  could flow back and you would have to
pump the  brakes  a few times  just  as you say  you do.
The same thing happened to me  and  I just changed the  rubber seal of the
brake pump (over here it is called "brake cilinder reapair  kit"). very
easy to solve  if this is the case

Regards,

Rodrigo Otero
1964  SIIA 109

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:23:36 -0400 (-0400)
From: rotero@ing.puc.cl (Rodrigo  Otero)
Subject: Re: New Baby; Infant Seat In SIIA?

>My daughter Kathryn arrived recently (6/7/96) and my habit of reading her
>LRO articles _in utero_ must have paid off as she is a very nice baby.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Does anyone have experience installing an infant seat in a SIIA 109 3-door
>(not the Station Wagon)?

Hi:

I used  a standard baby seat in the center seat and had no problems with
acces to the levers.
I had to istall it facing forward and previously i took out the seat
cushions and put a third seat belt for the center seat..
I don't know if  there is any regulations regarding how you install the
seat where you live but at least here there are none.

Rodrigo Otero
1964 SIIA 109

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:24:54 +0100
From: Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Billing LR meet

TeriAnn wrote:
>Chris, Thnks for the info, its what I was hoping for when I noticed my
>frequent flyer miles had piled up.  My camp site info says Thurs . Fri.,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>and Sat nights.  So I will get there Thursday
>Any ideas about when they open Thursday?
TeriAnn,

As Billing is a year-round camp site you will be able to get in at any time
during the week, although you will need to pay for the extra nights at the
gate if you arrive earlier than Thursday.

Several people I have talked to will be arriving on Monday as they will be
spending the weekend before at Gaydon - the Association of Rover Clubs
All Rover Rally at the Heritage Motor Centre, then travelling on to Billing.
If you want more details on this event let me know - I can probably put you
in touch with someone who can give you a lift from Gaydon to Billing.

I will be at Billing from Tuesday night, we will be marking out pitches on
Wednesday and I expect we will be opening rally reception on Wednesay night
or first thing Thursday morning. If you are thinking of meeting up with other
LRO people then I would suggest you arrange to meet at the reception at a
specific time - it is unlikely you will be able to find anyone otherwise.
The site is VERY large and filled to the brim with caravans, tents and of
course Land Rovers of all types. Last years most over used quote was:
"I'm looking for my friend, he has a Land Rover - it's green..."

If we can get an idea of numbers, and they all arrive by Thursday evening I
can probably set aside some pitches near the reception area. By Friday the
site is usually so full that we are just trying to fit people in every available
space so it is more difficult to reserve areas. When you arrive at the
rally reception (After the Billing Reception) ask for Dave or Pam.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave White
'72 SIII  V8 auto, Range Rover Chassis
'89 Range Rover
Yorkshire Rover Owners Club <http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1106>
------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Subject: List Status... // Summer '96 _LROim_ article correction
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:18:37 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi folks,
	Well, it seems that while I was away the communications lines into the
mail server went south again. I'm told that this time the service provicer
diagnosted and replaced the CSU (kind of like a modem for a T1 line [and you're
undoubtedly muttering "I didn't know Lucas made Telco Equipment"])

	In any event, we, and our gracious hosts at playground.sun.com,
now seem to be back on the air.

	Also please note that the article in _Land_Rover_Owner_International_
_Magazine_ (Issue 7, Summer 1996, pages 112-114) gives a soon to be obsolete
URL for the LRO pointer pages - the 'offical' url is at www.Land-Rover.Team.Net
and the shadow is now back at www.Senie.com (now on a 4xISDN line, courtesy
of my friend Dan (Senie) via high compression Proteon gateways.

       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/~majordom/lr/pages.html
                     http://www.Senie.com/billc/lr/pages.html

    Cheers,
        --bill  	caloccia@OpenMarket.com
                 http://www.Senie.com/billc/

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   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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From: HMEdwards@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:34:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Adjusting mixture on Zeneth carbs

Tim,

It sounds like your carb has an airleak in it somewhere.  The Zenith Body is
prone to warping due to inadequate heat treatment at the factory.  If the
likely culprits are all good,  (the vacuum connectiions and air cleaner
inlet), then the body itself may be leaking between the upper and lower
bodies; or the emulsifer block and upper body.  If they are leaking, you will
notice a brown to black stain from fuel around the joints.  Also look at the
fuel economizer cover.  To correct the emulsifying block and upper/lower body
leaks, sand them flat with a piece of  emery cloth on a piece of glass.  Take
an equal amount of off each and clean the ports out with compressed air and
very soft wire.  Be VERY careful not to enlarge any of the jets or ports
while doing so.  After the compressed air, you can use a can of carb cleaner
to make sure that fluid is going the proper way through the circuits.  The
low speed circuit with its small diameters is prone to clogging after any
sanding.  To fix the economy cover you may need a new gasket.  You are
correct in that screwing the mixture screw out enrichens the mixture.  Best
of Luck.

Harry Edwards
Las Vegas
72 Series III

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:42:42
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Bowie British Car Day

	Perfect weather for this kind of gathering always helps. We had it.
A good turnout of Rovers, even a saloon car (I've never seen one in the 
states) A dipple brought his 110 County to rub it in. And there was a 4.0 HSE 
to feed off the top of the cream ($62,000, I mean Really!). The rest of us 
had our battered old beasts.
	Triumphs seemed to rule the day as it seemed there were hundreds of 
them. I personally care only for the TR3s, but there were enough of every 
kind to make someone's day. TR8's are also not too shabby. TVRs suck.
	Precious little Austin Healys in their 2-tone spats parked next door. 
One guy had a little picnic basket strapped to the luggage rack. Too 
Richie-Rich for my taste. Speaking of that, the Rolls-Royce contingent was 
surprisingly small although the value of the assembly coud keep a Rover owner 
in wheel cylinders and transmission gaskets for quite some time. One chap had 
an impressive example with custom coachwork that looked as if it would sprout 
Greta Garbo at any moment. Every one of these cars had a small jar of Grey 
Poupon mustard in the back on the fold-down tray. Sort of like the Safari 
joke we must endure. 
	A handful of Jag XKs were on hand, all snarly and low to the ground. 
With that bonnet up they look just like a T-Rex on its back. I love wire 
wheels and bias plys.
The famous C-Type was there and the owner was "bragging" about the 60 grand 
he had in it, even though the bodywork is repro; original molds, but repro. 
This notwithstanding, the car is the stuff that dreams are made of. James 
Bond wishes he had one of these instead of that prissy BMW. The man probably 
spends in buffing wheels what I spend on my mortgage.
	Quite a few Minis made the show although if you failed to look down, 
you missed them. One Abarth woodie wagon was pretty cool, but I can just get 
one foot in one of those things, let alone drive it.
	Morgans and MGs I tend to group together cause they look the same to 
me. I passed on them as the owners tend to them like jewel boxes and I can't  
stand it.
	Lotuses were quite handsome and there were a couple of fine examples 
but they're another marque I can't get too hot over.
	If I had to pick one car to drive home it would definitly be that Jag 
C-type racer. Totally impractical for anything exept making other people feel 
inferior and lustful. Absolute woodie inducing fun. 
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:37:08 -0400
Subject: SII Engine Colors

I cleaned the engine on our '60 SII pickup this weekend and discovered its
original colors:
Block and head: light gray (prehaps slightly yellowish)
Valve cover: bright medium blue, about the same shade as an old Leyland parts
box
Oil pan: black
Any recommendations of paint to use to repaint it.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:13:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: wanted 109 3door

HI all

This is a repost.
I got a lot of replies to this post and have passed them on. How ever the
person wants's only a three door
(or a pick up) 109 not a five door. ( I think he is goinng to try annd make
it a dormmoble out of it.)
 H_ll I would like a dormmoble but just can't find one at the right price
Can't think of a better camper. 
So thank you all who replied. But Still looking!

I know someone who wants a 109 3 door older then 1968.
It needs to be driveable with a useable frame. He does not want to have to
do a frame over right away.
Some repair ok (brakes, tires, etc.) does not have to be perfect but does
have to be in the USA.
So if anyone has one for sale just e-mail me with the info and I will pass
it on.

Bruce 
67 SIIA 88 Patches

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:13:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OD ?

Hi All

I am looking for an OD. I don't know much about them. 
What is a good one? 
How much are they ?
How hard are they to install?
Does anyone have a "good used one" for sale?

Could also use two good shape front fenders with out the lights in them if
anyone has them for sale!

Thanks 
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
daviscar@concentric.net 
	OR
BDaviscar@aol.com

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From: slade@sisna.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:23:01 -0700
Subject: Re: New Baby; Infant Seat In SIIA?

John wrote..

>My daughter Kathryn arrived recently (6/7/96) and my habit of reading her
>LRO articles _in utero_ must have paid off as she is a very nice baby.

So, first of all I must offer my congratulations.  A rover-baby is the best
kind to get (and after that, a baby rover, of course)!

>Does anyone have experience installing an infant seat in a SIIA 109 3-door
>(not the Station Wagon)?  If installed in the center seat it looks like it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>forced to sell the Rover (to get a RR) but if a good solution could be found
>I might be spared that cost.

This sounds like the same dilemma I had with my son Connor.  I put his
rear-facing car seat in the center position with a static lap belt.
Indeed, it did call for quite a contortion act to change gears, and I never
did any off-roading with him in there.  That would pose a whole new set of
problems.

I suppose you could put her car seat in the passenger seat with a belt, but
where would your wife sit!?

Hmmm.  I suppose that's why I sold my 88 and got a 109 Station Wagon.  Now
he sits in the middle bench seat in the center position with a static belt.
Occasionally I'll put his seat in the front in the passenger's side, but
he stays mostly in the back.

Here's a solution:

Why not keep the 109, and get the Range Rover AS WELL.

Good luck.

Michael Slade
'70 109 Station Wagon
Portland, OR
slade@sisna.com

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:12:14 -0500
Subject: Production Log

Dixon (and anyone else who cares),

This is the log page showing my vehicle, 441, from Solihull. The 318s
are export IIa 88 station wagons. Anyone in Athens with a light orange 
beast? :-) Outfitting the police force, or maybe road construction 
crews? I'd be interested in other pages from this period to see if 
Athens bought anything besides 88s.

Looks like 8 of the 40 came into the States (5 through Boston), one to 
Canada, the remaining all over the rest of the world. The letter that 
accompanied this log said that mine went to "Rover Cars, Boston for
distribution into the American dealership network." So I guess it means
it could have gone anywhere from there.

Mine is the only red one...

I can't make much sence out of the order of production, things seem
kind of jumbled. And I'm not sure what the Lable No. is or the letter
(handwritten) to the left. ?-marks indicate handwriting that I can't read.

  Label  Vehicle
  No.    No.       In        Out       Colour     Dispatched To
  ------ --------- --------- --------- ---------- -----------------------
  400    31800401  14 Jun 65 30 Jun 65 Lt. Green  Mitchell Colts(?) 
                                                  Athiopia (sp)
  401    31800402  28 Jun 65 30 Jun 65 "          "
  402    31800403  14 Jun 65 30 Jun 65 Lt. Green  "
D 422    31800404  15 Jun 65  5 Jul 65 Mar. Blue  Minestry(?) Da Olas,  
                        						  Paraguay
D 423    31800405  14 Jun 65 28 Sep 65 "          R.F.Ixoss (?),Nicaragua
D 424    31800406  16 Jun 65 28 Sep 65 "          "
D 425    31800407  15 Jun 65 28 Sep 65 "          "
D 426    31800408  14 Jun 65 28 Sep 65 "          "
B 428    31800409  28 Jun 65 23 Jul 65 Lt. Green  Mr D Boume, Sanwich MA, 
												  USA
D 429    31800410  18 Jun 65 13 Aug 65 Lt. Green? HDO ??? Bougdanos USA
B 430    31800411  17 Jun 65 27 Jul 65 Lt. Green? Rover NY for Rev C 
												  Butterfield Korea
  431    31800412  28 Jun 65 21 Jul 65 "          HDO Jounj? Rover N.York
D 456?   31800413  17 Jun 65 25 Jul 65 Mid Grey?  HDO Bowen, Maryville TN
D 432    31800414  16 Jun 65 20 Aug 65 Mar. Blue  Rover NY (HDO)
												  Counsel God Assembly,
												  Pusan? Korea
D 404    31800415  28 Jun 65 2? Jul 65 "          Rover, Montreal
B 406    31800416  23 Jun 65  5 Aug 65 Lt. Orange J.G.Pkostixopoulo 
                                                  Athens
B 407    31800417  28 Jun 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 408    31800418  22 Jun 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 409    31800419   5 Jul 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 410    31800420   8 Jul 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 411    31800421   1 Jul 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 412    31800422  16 Jul 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 413    31800423  25 Jun 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 414    31800424   2 Jul 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 415    31800425   5 Jul 65  5 Aug 65 "          "
B 416    31800426  23 Jun 65  6 Aug 65 "          "
B 417    31800427  25 Jun 65  6 Aug 65 "          "
B 418    31800428  23 Jun 65  6 Aug 65 "          "
B 419    31800429  25 Jun 65  6 Aug 65 "          "
B 420    31800430  23 Jun 65  6 Aug 65 "          "
B 421    31800431  25 Jun 65  6 Aug 65 "          "
B 448    31800432   5 Jul 65  8 Jul 65 Lt. Green  Rover Ft. Lauderdale
  451    31800433  24 Jun 65  9 Jul 65 Mar. Blue  Rover N.Y.(HDO) Hewlett
D 452    31800434   2 Jul 65 14 Jul 65 "          Rover, Boston
D 453    31800435  15 Jul 65 21 Jul 65 "          "
D 454    31800436  29 Jun 65 14 Jul 65 "          "
D 455    31800437   5 Jul 65  7 ??  ?? Limestone  "
  458    31800438   1 Jul 65 23 Jul 65 Limestone  HDO Gralton Saudi 
  												  Arabia, Rover NY
B 459    31800439  24 Jun 65 20 Aug 65 Limestone  HDO Dr. Dunan Illinois
  461    31800440  14 Jul 65  1 Sep 65 Limestone  HDO Dr. Donoghy, VT
D 449    31800441  15 Jul 65 21 Jul 65 Red        Rover, Boston

Tim 
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Subject: Range Rover's debut at the OVLR Birthday Party
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:43:26 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

[Cross posted, please direct follow-ups only to RRO@Land-Rover.Team.Net ]

Hi

	Two Range Rovers particpated in the offroad event at the 13th OVLR
party.  The other Range Rover was fitted with a receiver mounted front winch.
I just came with rain-ready XMS's (read: barely road legal). There were 
a couple Disco's about, including a dealer demo, but neither played. CSO's were
also represented by a D-90, who did a good job driving through the mud hole.

Getting there: Boston to Quebec: 5 hours. Vermont officers like hanging out
at open Weigh stations, and were up at St.Albans on the way up. Other than 
that traffice seem to know they were not about.

Bill's travel corrally 13: don't enter via Quebec and tell them you're going to
Ottawa.
I had the plates for the '63 LR kicking about in the drivers map 
packet, (still awaiting me to go to the RMV and trade 'em in for antique
plates) and

It seems the punter at the gate didn't like my bandana-headband, radar detector,
driving sunglasses, and choice of english vehicle and english speaking travel
destination, so he told me to 'pull over for an ID check', which I did.

They ran the license, and evidently didn't like what they saw, thinking that
I might be a road hazard. Concientious as they were, they started asking me 
about my good driving record (or lack thereof).
	Has your license been suspended ?
	No, Mass never suspended that license.
	Has any other state ever suspended your license ?
	No.
	Have you ever been in front of a judge.
	Yep, they charged me with trespassing for walking along the Providence
	and Worcester rail way tracks, and fined me $50 [And kind as they
	were they gave me a tour of the Worcester County lock-up, and let me
	hang out in a cell there for a while, and fumble-fingers policeman
	made sure he dropped my radar detector 4 foot onto the cement floor
	'by accident' when tkaing my personal belongings for safe keeping.]

The woman took some notes and then set me out, now they decided to have a 
look-see at my car.  Now having a trunk full of tools is pretty normal for
most Land Rover owners, but some how, mine had mostly electrical tools, wiring
stuff, CB radio and car alarm bits, osram lamps, camping gear, etc. After going
through most of the stuff in the trunk (but not all) the inspector moved on to
the rest of the car. {I don't know what they would have thought had they
actually opened the box with the complete set of auto lock-out tools in it :-)}
[Bill's travel corallary: avoide Quebec when going to Ottawa.]

Sure enough the inspector was reasonably thorough, and though suspicious of 
the rattle in my back door didn't tear it apart. Though when she came upon
the set of Ma. license tags for my '63 LR (hanging out in the RR until I 
actually get to the RMV to trade them for Antique plates) and decided that
Canadian Customs ought to releive me of said registration tags, as they might
pose some hazard to the security of the residents of Quebec. So sure enough,
they bagged and tagged them and gave me a receipt. Onward to Silver Lake.
Five hours later (midnight now) I arrived and was pointed into the corner
of the field where 'those internet chaps were', of which it was said that
'between the lot of them they probably hadn't been laid in the last 20 years'. 

Sure enough, everyone was there, some like me setting up tents by headlamps
and the rest drinking beer and telling tales.

Saturday started out with a bit of rain, and then the 'light' off road, a 
morning-turned all day affair.

	The LR owners were generally accepting of the RR. Dixon and a few other
OVLR folks said they'd never see one run off road before.  For the afternoon 
section, (The swivel ball guy) from Maine left his Polish girl friend with me
for the whole drive, in the hopes that "she'd have a good time and then be
willing to suffer with him in leaf sprung motors" later on.

	So the first thing I did, was show 'em how to get a Range Rover 
well and truely stuck in the mud (the first time they dragged me out with a
winch. The second time I aimed for the high ground on the left, but promptly
slid into the ruts and this time got out with a bit of rocking and reversed up
to dry ground.  Soon after they shut down the mud hole and diverted most of 
the pack to the other side.  I don't know that any motor actually made it
through without some difficulty, a number had some self recovery or assistance.

	The afternoon was a bit longer and we got to run about in forest and
beaver country. The beavers, busy as they were, were kind enough to engineer
some diversions for us from when the route was checked some weeks before
(The rain probably didn't hurt either.)

	Most of the route was green lanes, with fresh foliage, the occasional
small puddle crossing and mucky bits where the trail  ran too close to the
local water table or pond.  There was also a good wade (washing some
of the mud off, testing door seals and filling Mike L's tool box).

	Then upstream to what used to be a water tight beaver dam. There was 
some concern if the verticle would interfere with the RR's air dam, but it
did not. I went straight for the middle and got hung up, the lads were ready
with the winch cable, but I just did a shunt and moved a few feet over
to the right where the the exit was more gradual, the footing was firm, both
in the stream and on the embankment, so the real trick was the tight turning
required once on the dry ground.

	IT was all good fun for all, and in the end the RR was muddy up over 
the top of the bonnet, had algae all across the front, a plasticly deformed 
nearside step, and mud caked front brakes (which required cleaning early
in the trip home, as a pebble wedged it self between the back plate 
and the rotor).

The auction saw a number of quality items go up for sale at reasonable prices.
At the auction at the end, the lads were egging me on to bid for the
'My other car is a Range Rover' bumper stickers, but it was much more fun
watching them bid it down to nothing.

Another 11 hours back (with the stop to clean the mud off the brakes early
on, and a side trip back to Canadian Customs at the Vermont border [and
explaining it all to US Customs was fun too!]), it was a long way off
but well worth the drive.

See ya all soon, when we go down to Maine for Owl's head.

    Cheers,
        --bill  	caloccia@OpenMarket.com
                 http://www.Senie.com/billc/

       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/~majordom/lr/
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   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:06:29 -0700
From: kelvinc@terrestrial.com (Kelvin Crezee)
Subject: Re: ? Securing Equipment to D90's 

I would like some advice about securing the following items to my D90 (its a
soft top), any advice about where, what type and what kind of attatchment
pieces needed:      48 inch high lift jack,  CB unit antenna,  Fire
extinguisher, handle for the passenger to hang onto while four wheeling, 5
gallon gas cans (are there any larger size gas tanks for the D90?).

Recommendations (in your opinion)for required take along tools when 4 wheeling.

I have heard by many other D90 owners tht the airconditioner is marginal at
best -- has any tried to swap in a different manufacturer?   

Glad to see the digest back!!

K. Crezee AZLRO D90 #2728 
Kelvin Crezee

kelvinc@terrestrial.com

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Leaks and Sierra Mtns
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 8:46:36 BST

> I do need to go to the dealer though, because now I have a leak from my transfer
> case, I am not sure where its comming from exactly, but gear oil is dripping
> from the transfer case bottom metal sheet (the one with the squares stamped
> into it). Since I am still under warrenty...

First positive bit of evidence I've seen for the great argument over whether
the Defender is a "proper" Land-Rover!!   :-)

(my transfer case also leaks, but its a '73 SIII)

Richard

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