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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 07:54:05 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Changing lock barrels

Q1 - do I have to take the whole lock mechanism apart (cut out the 
rivets) to remove the lock or is there some trick to this?

Don't know fer sure about the 110's, but I changed all the barrels on my SIII 
SWB. The rear door was the only one that had to be drilled out, as I couldn't 
get the key in since the cylinder was frozen (rusted). You do have to have the 
key in for the "push the pin" trick to work. Otherwise *very carefully* drill 
them out using a 1/4" or so drill bit. Be careful not to mar the inside bore of 
that the new cylinder rides in. You shouldn't have to dissasemble the whole 
kit...

Dave "watch out, crabcakes"  B.
Arlington VA 

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:56:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: wanted 109 3door

At 07:14 PM 6/9/96 -0700, you wrote:

Mine is for sale at http://home.earthlink.net/~johnliu/forsale.htm

Thanks I will pass it on. 

Bruce 67 SIIA 88 Patches

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:38:12 -0500
Subject: brake solution

Just because I know you all were hoping to find out *why* I was careening
wildly out of control last week when I lost my brakes...

In a bit of truely cosmic irony, it turns out that, in fact, it is my 
*brake light switch* that has sprung a leak.

Ok rover gods, I'm not amused by your little joke. Recall, everyone, that
said brake light switch fused a few weeks back in the Small Electrical 
Fire (tm) and I elected *not* to replace it at that point. I had just 
finished a full bleed of the system, etc, etc, and so rigged a pedal 
actuated switch for about the same cost.

So I tossed $14 on misc parts, get to buy a 'real' switch, which I might
as well use (since it'll work better anyway), *and* get to do another
bleed, one of my most favorite rover jobs, right behind bushing 
replacement.

The only up side to all of this is that I think I finally discovered the
truth to the whole reason my frame replacement began. Yup. I bet this
switch has been leaking for a long time. Amazing how a $16 dollar part
can end up starting a $3000 project...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:27:08 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Roverworks

Dear All,
        Yes, Roverworks In Hyde Park, NY, Bill K. is the one who had or has
well over a few hundred thousand in deposits, yes he got at least 20
people, maybe more. Didn't we go round the farm on this a few months ago.
Roverworks has publically announced its demise, due to a law suit by a
group of its clients, and by the NY State Attorney General. They are no
more.
        Lets focus on the good parts and people with Rovers, another week
or two of bashing won't help anything. Some people lost a ton of money and
parts, we all feel for you, but unless you have a good lawyer, or are
involved in the joint lawsuit, you are out of luck, and it seems even the
big lawsuit is not getting any results. We have one ex-Roverwork client
that has well over 20,000 in a frame and a rear tub.
        So lets use the digest to make better Rovers, and better decisions
about Rover Companies, but do we really have to go through the Roverworks
thing again?
        If anyone truly needs the info., I can put them in touch with the
lawyers handling the law suite, or you should call the NY State Attorney
general.
        Now back to the good stuff, and things the rest of us can help with...

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:25:09 +0200
From: "Kurt C. Reinhardt" <sm095re@unidui.uni-duisburg.de>
Subject: re: Idea for Land Rover movie

Jim I think you like Kafka a lot...or if you are a more humorous type=
 Beckett
:-)))
Yours Kurt
Kurt.Reinhardt@unidui.uni-duisburg.de
Gerhard Mercartor Universit=E4t Duisburg
FB 1/10 Philosophie/Physik
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:39:25 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Trip to the Monterey British Car Show

I have added a short piece to my Land Rover page.  It recounts a recent Land
Rover trip up the California coast for the Monterey British Car Show.

Great.
I'd love to see it!
It sounds really neat!!
In fact, if I wasn't typing this message I'd probably be looking at it.
Just one question...

What's the URL???!!!

Dave "and who are you?" B.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:44:39 -0500
From: doncastr@ns.acadiacom.net (Peter C. Doncaster)
Subject: Places to go....acrosss the pond

Hi everyone,

I'm very disapointed that I'll miss the Downeast this year, especially the
off road day. As a consolation prize, I'm going across the pond.  While I'm
there, I'd like to hit some places of LRO interest. I remember reading a
while back that Dunsfold is not a public museum, but that it is possible to
get a tour. Is that true? If so, who do I call? Also, where is it?

Can you suggest other places in striking distsnce from London that are of
LRO interest?

And most importantly, where are the best places to get PARTS???
(If there is a FAQ, please direct me...)

I hope to make the Mid-Atlantic, see ya'll there, and thanks in advance.

Peter Doncaster
New Orleans, USA
'64 IIA 88 SF SW

doncastr@acadiacom.net     <<<<<New Address

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From: slade@sisna.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:49:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Roverworks

Mike Smith begs...

>        So lets use the digest to make better Rovers, and better decisions
>about Rover Companies, but do we really have to go through the Roverworks
>thing again?
<snip>
>        Now back to the good stuff, and things the rest of us can help with...

AMEN!  (And I'm one of the poor saps who got soaked!)

Michael Slade
'70 109 Station Wagon
Portland, OR
slade@sisna.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:57:27 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Bobeck's mal de mer

Bill Adams writes...

>> Dave ...snip... came up with the solution to the problem of the stuck cutless
bearing in the shaft log that gave so much grief. Using a bit of boatyard 
improvisation and scrounging,

And a little bit of experience gained from driving out out similarly stubborn 
(actually much more so) frame bushings...

>> he made a tool out of a slightly curved chunk 
of 1" stainless stanchion rail (I didn't ask where he got it,

Why the scrap pile of course. I wouldn't cut up somebody's personal property. 
Unless it was Land Rover and they asked me to.

>>  I fear it was simply too much for his constitution to be within such 
proximity to 30 years of collected bilge goo.

Or else it was all those blasted crabcakes...

>> Undeniably this is true devotion ...snip...when personal safety and health 
are blatantly disregarded. 

Safety? Hmm. never heard of it. Would you mind explaining. :)

>> I hope to repay him in kind with some effort to rebuild what we rendered 
asunder that weekend in April.

Indeed, and so he did. I now have a rolling chassis, complete with it's "free at
last" steering relay in place. Another grinder wheel bites the dust.

>> BTW, be very glad you were not born a crab cake and had the misfortune 
to meet Mr. Bobeck in any professional capacity.

Or any seafood for that matter...

Cheers All,

Dave "On a 'see-food' diet" B.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:55:10 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Apologies

To all:

Sorry for the re-hash.  I must've missed the posts a few months back.
I wanted to know because a few friends inquired about professional places
which sell restored LR's locally (I consider NY local as LR's go) and
had included RoverWorks in the list.  I hope I didn't cost them serious
misery but I guess I'll find out.

Nate "Hoof in Mouth" Dunsmore
I think I'll skip the rest

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:26:49 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETMAIL.ushmm.org>
Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) FW: english, Hong Kong style (fwd)

Well, it beats writing essays. -L

>>From a list of English subtitles used in films made in Hong Kong (as 
>appearing in Harper's this month):
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 41 lines)]
>Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected!
>How can you use my intestines as a gift?

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:26:52 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETMAIL.ushmm.org>
Subject: Unabomber haikus (fwd)

Forwarded message:
> From ErGarland@aol.com Fri May 31 07:53 EDT 1996
> From: ErGarland@aol.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 62 lines)]
> >     "You're assigned to prison shop.
> >     Make computer chips."

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:20:30 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: brake solution

Just because I know you all were hoping to find out *why* I was careening
wildly out of control last week when I lost my brakes...

Hmm... was it... because you lost your brakes??

>> my 
*brake light switch* that has sprung a leak.

>>Ok rover gods, I'm not amused by your little joke.

Oh, SURE, go ahead, blame it on somebody else... :)

>> Recall, everyone, that
said brake light switch fused a few weeks back in the Small Electrical 
Fire (tm) 

So, ladies and gentleman, it appears that Mr. Harincar has made a new discovery 
(NPI) concering Land-Rover mechanical systems. It seems as though smoke was used
to form seals as well as to fill the electrical system!

>>The only up side to all of this is that I think I finally discovered the
truth to the whole reason my frame replacement began....snip..... Amazing how a 
$16 dollar part
can end up starting a $3000 project...

Too bad, if only you could have found it right from the start, then you could 
still be driving a rust bucket! :) .!

Cheers,

Dave "Glad you found the problem" B.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:43:13 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: frame over questions

Ok, so I've finally really turned the corner and now I get to put on lots of 
shiny new parts, instead of taking off dirty, rusty old parts. I've got a couple
more questions.

1. The handbrake setup must have been different for the vehicle that used to 
live on my *new* frame. there is no bracket welded to the chassis for the big 
cast pivot thing to bolt to. Any options here other than cutting off the old one
and welding it to the new frame? Also the mounts for the cross-shaft are 
different, will they fit or should I swap those out too? 

2. Has anybody else thought of putting the steering relay in a plastic bag 
before dropping it into the frame? It does fit this way and then if the excess 
plastic is trimmed away, it seems as though it could create a decent barrier to 
make it easier to remove for the *next* frameover. Any thoughts? I'll probably 
just do it, I'll let you all know in 30 years.

3. Anybody ever waste money (like me) on the genuine parts remote axle breather 
kits? I did and i can't for the life of me figure out how they're supposed to be
routed.

I think that's it for now. Thanks.

Dave B.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: More Electrics
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:44:50 BST

This firing problem of mine is turning into a saga...

The truck is in at a garage (village affair, not a Landy specialist, but 
they didn't seem too bad for the MoT,etc earlier).

They're replaced the distributor - I managed to get a 2nd hand mil. one
from Craddocks (24V you see). They've just phoned up, basically, its not
much better - still misfiring a bit. Idle was erratic before - I guess that's
still there.
So what can it be? I want to take it to Scotland in 3 weeks!

Quick resume:

Running initially a little uneven, gradually getting worse. Eventually reaching
a point where it was firing on 3 cylinders. New fuel pump.
Points adjusted - worked a lot
better, but still not on all 4 cylinders. Fiddled myself, got it working
on all four, but then it "died" on me as I was driving around the block.
Towed to Southern Counties (local franchise). They checked compression,etc.
Cleaned my spark plugs, replaced the rotor, condensor, and points.
They also tried a donor coil, but with no change.
Its sent back to me - they think the distributor may be the fault.
The general consensus on here is that the bearings/bushes have worn in the
distributor.
Drove very well when I picked it up - as well as before these problems.
Idle is a little uneven. Gradually over the past week things have become
worse.
The "new" distributor that went in, had been stripped of condensor, points,
and rotor, so the recently new ones were swapped in.

Suggestions?

Because of all the shielding,etc  the garage can't put a Krypton Tune in
(timing device I assume).
On the phone they suggested it might have been break-down in one of the
cables. Possible. And that they were going to see what they can do tomorrow
(only simple diagnosis checks I guess  - I also have it in for an electric
fan fitting - its been sitting, waiting to be fitted for weeks now!!)

I guess I could strip out all of the ht cabling, and put new ones in
(new sparks, probably wouldn't go amiss either).

I notice a couple of garages advertise in the mags. in Sussex. Any UK people
had any dealings with them, and can they do a speedy job?

Richard

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:47:10 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: whoops.

OOps. sorry. Not only did I accidently send non LR stuff to the list, but it 
chopped by the major so you guys didn't even get to read 'em pretty funny stuff 
actually. Some of you got it 'cos you're on my e-mail list. Enjoy. Everybody 
else, sorrrrrrr-eeeeeee....

Dave

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Brakes!!!!
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 12:02:00 DST

Brings to mind the immortal words from Ustinov's "Grand Prix of Gibraltar"
"Brakes, brakes ? Don't talk to me about the brakes. Any fool can make a car 
stop, it takes a genius to make her go fast.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 12:11:22 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Brakes!!!!

"Somebody" wrote:

>>Brings to mind the immortal words from Ustinov's "Grand Prix of Gibraltar"
"Brakes, brakes ? Don't talk to me about the brakes. Any fool can make a car 
stop, it takes a genius to make her go fast.

Sort of like Mickey Rourke as Charles Bukowski in "Barfly": "Anybody can be 
sober, but it takes a special talent to be a drunk!"

Say it with a slight slur and it's bound to get a few laughs at the next 
Land-Rover rally! 

Remember to practice alone in front of a mirror before trying it out in front of
your friends.

Dave "there's your Rover content" B.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:16:27 -0700
From: Greg Spitz <gspitz19@mail.idt.net>
Subject: D90 Rear Mud Flaps

trying to put on the rear mud flaps from Rovers North on my D90 and am 
having trouble tightening the bolts because I am only able to get one 
finger to hold the nut.  Any help??

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:13:19 +0000
Subject: Comp Safari to end all comp safari

(This is is cross posted from UK-LRO to LRO as it's primarily for UK folk, 
though others may be interested)

            The 1996 Scottish Open RTV & Enduro

On Saturday 24th of August the Scottish Land Rover Owners Club is hosting 
an Open RTV. The is held under RACMSA rules but is an "open" event, 
allowing non-Landrover products to enter. Basically, any 4 wheeled 
off-road vehicle that is classed as a "car" and has a valid MOT & road 
tax may enter.

On Sunday the 25th of August the Scottish Land Rover Owners Club is 
hosting an Open Enduro. Again, the RACMSA rules apply, but the even is 
open to non-landrover products. Basically, if you have 4+ wheels, a 
roll-cage and a 3-point harness you can probably enter.

The Enduro is similar to a Comp Safari (you race around a few miles of 
off-road course), except you don't aim for the fastest average speed, you 
aim for the greatest number of laps.

Please note that Motorbike and Quads are not eligable for entry to the 
Enduro.

All are welcome, either to enter or spectate. Last years event was very 
well attended and great fun.

For further details:
	for ARC regulations: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/arc/
	SLROC	: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/SLROC
	Chief Scrutineer: Micheal Bruce : 01450 372287 (work)

(PS - LROI: Please note these events for you publication. All SLROC events 
are listed under the SLROC home page)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:16:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Brakes

>The braking power wouldn't be matched, but the front would be much
>less likely to lock up than the rear.  Momentum is transferred
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>from the physics point of view.  The dynamics of the brake lines and
>fluid volumes are another matter though. 

Landrover brakes are designed to stop a fully loaded on with a to in 
the back. So unladen they DO lock the rears VERY easily.........If 
the rears DONT lock easilly wi nowt int back, you are'nt going to stop at all 
whith a load.......

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:26:48 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: D90 Rear Mud Flaps

Greg Spitz wrote:
> trying to put on the rear mud flaps from Rovers North on my D90 and am
> having trouble tightening the bolts because I am only able to get one
> finger to hold the nut.  Any help??

Try putting a small vise grip on the nut side.  When it wedges against the side,
you'll be able to tighten it down.  

Good Luck

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020

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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:44:13 -0700
From: "Kim Lewis ( Phil the Bear )" <lewis@celtic.co.uk>
Subject: "More Electrics"

<<As people can probably guess, I've been having some serious engine 
problems
over the past few weeks.>>

Mines been backfiring on idle ever since I bought it and I could'nt cure 
it then some fella suggested that it might be a leaking manifold gasket. 
Hav'nt had chance to try it yet, but it's one more thing for you to try.

-- 
Kim ( alias Phil the Bear )

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:36:45 -0500
From: doncastr@ns.acadiacom.net (Peter C. Doncaster)
Subject: Re: Brakes!!!!

>Sort of like Mickey Rourke as Charles Bukowski in "Barfly": "Anybody can be
>sober, but it takes a special talent to be a drunk!"

"Anyone can be a WRITER, it takes real talent to be a DRUNK!"

Peter Doncaster

doncastr@acadiacom.net <<<<<NEW ADDRESS!!!

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: FC101 for sale
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:27:00 DST

1976 L.R. 101 GS ex RAF Rapier missile carrier from BAOR Germany L.H.D.
New canvas top, seats, 900 x 16 tires, pto winch, 26,000 miles no rust
no leaks, no dents. delivery can be arranged. 15,000 US OBO
more info call Tom Tollefson Tel. (416) 265-1617
                             Fax (416) 267-2079
 --

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:11:26 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Soundproofing

Ashley wanted to know about BJ Acoustics. This was on the UK list today:

>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:45:47 +0100
>To: uk-lro@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
>Tel: +44 (0)1203 514465.  Fax: 514401.          '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)
>jasonp@parallax.co.uk                    http://www.parallax.co.uk/~jasonp

Needless to say, there is always a question about durability of both the 
material and the glue. Nice signature, though!
Hope it helps
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: moira@icx.com ( Moira Tuffs)
Subject: Delurk, lights and winches questions
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 12:11:50 PDT
content-type:text/plain;charset=us-ascii
mime-version:1.0

Hi there,
      We've been lurking around for a while, and we have a couple
of questions about our 96 Disco(very). ( Still learning the 
correct terms here !! )

1) The headlights ( both dipped and full beam ) seem to give very poor
illumination. Is there a way to beef this up
     a) without adding extra lights ( ie different bulbs )
     b) by adding extra driving lights - which ones ( make and models )

2) We've bought a winch ( Warn X8000i ), and a multi mount kit to fit the
rear hitch, and  we're looking at wiring it in. Anyone else done this ?
In particular where is the best place to mount the plug that the winch
connects to - on the rear hitch or on the bumper ( oops, sorry fender ! )
and where in the engine compartment is the best place to mount the solenoid
( part of the circuit breaker ).

Thanks in advance for any help - either by e-mail or to the group.

Cheers.
	Mike and Moira 
	
         miket@icx.com
         moira@icx.com
         
 PS We're in Portland - Oregon if that helps !!

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:11:02 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: frame over questions

You wrote: 

snip
>1. The handbrake setup must have been different for the vehicle that used to 
>live on my *new* frame. there is no bracket welded to the chassis for the big 
>cast pivot thing to bolt to. Any options here other than cutting off the old one
>and welding it to the new frame? Also the mounts for the cross-shaft are 
>different, will they fit or should I swap those out too? 

Sounds like you've got a frame that takes the bolt through the frame style (two 
long bolts).  Look for holes a couple of inches or so apart in the lower portion 
of the frame.  

>3. Anybody ever waste money (like me) on the genuine parts remote axle breather 
>kits? I did and i can't for the life of me figure out how they're supposed to be
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>I think that's it for now. Thanks.
>Dave B.

Definitely not a waste.  Routing is up to you.  Most people run the front up to 
the radiator top area.  The rear has several options (wheel well, into the tool 
box ...)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:15:54 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: FC101 for sale

You wrote: 

>1976 L.R. 101 GS ex RAF Rapier missile carrier from BAOR Germany L.H.D.
 ^^^^
>New canvas top, seats, 900 x 16 tires, pto winch, 26,000 miles no rust
>no leaks, no dents. delivery can be arranged. 15,000 US OBO
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         ^^
>more info call Tom Tollefson Tel. (416) 265-1617
>                             Fax (416) 267-2079
                                   ^^^

Unless this is delivery in Canada only, that would be a pretty handy trick.

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 10 Jun 96 14:22:10 MST
Subject: LR parts arrive, testing RR load leveler.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Hello all! I have finally narrowed my order of LR parts down to slightly
under 1300 pounds sterling ($200 US) and have finally received it! Now
comes the fun part, installing all this "junk" on the 3 LR's.

The whole customs ordeal was incredibly simple and went with absolutely
no problems, to my amazement. No customs broker was needed since it was
to an individual (me) and cost $65 US in duty.

They forklifted the 2 huge boxes into the back of the RR, which fit
perfectly with the rear seat folded forward. Since the total weight is
250KG (625lbs) this allows me the perfect opportunity to test out the
load leveler unit. I'll have to get the unloaded measurement after I
unload. Do you think I could use a (some) speed bumps in place of an
"undulating road" to test it? I could go over it forwards/backwards a
bunch of times.... I have heavy duty OME springs, and it really takes the
weight well. Hardly any noticeable rear end droop. It seems to ride about
the same as well. (Very firm even with the extra weight.)

I'll be unloading this Tonight, so unless you respond by 5:20PM "Arizona
time" I won't get a response to the speed bump question in time, but
please feel free to comment about anything else... (I'm in "digest" mode.)

Wish me luck!

Dave (Sure that I don't know what I've gotten myself into) Brown

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Help! Transfer case
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:32:03 PDT

Hello!

Its been awhile since I have submitted to this group. I have a couple of 
questions I would really appreciate some help on.

I am trying to check the transfer case and transmission oil levels on my
1994 Defender-90. There are a couple of things that are really confusing me.
In my manual, the picture shows that the transmission has two drain plugs,
one with a filter attached to it. Well,looking under my truck, I only see 
one big drain plug, and one torx type indented check plug. Am I going crazy?
Do I have a different transmission type? 

My other questions are: What type of tool (size) do I use to unscrew that
torx bolt (or whatever it is called) on the transmission. Also when looking 
at the transfer case check plug (also an indented plug) I noticed a filler
plug (bolt) on the top of the transfer case housing. It is on the drum type
unit on the top of the transfer case (I am assuming its something to do with
the locking diff assembly). Does anyone know what that plug is for? Its not
shown anywhere in my manual.

If possible can you please reply to my email (roys@cup.hp.com) as well as 
the list, I was booted of the distribution and am not sure if I will get list
through the notes group.

Leland Roys
1994 Defender-90 (Red)
roys@cup.hp.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:28:57 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: LROI letter 

Hi all,

In the new LROI, there is a letter asking about repainting by brush.  Let me say, for
those thinking of doing so, I did and it worked very well.  Although I had access to 
an air compressor and gun (thanks Chris Stevens), I was nervous about inhalation of
all those aerosolized nasties and decided to brush it on.  I used disposable sponge
brushes and aside from deterioration of the brush stiffness by the paint, I got a very
nice result.  Yes, there are some runs but hey it's a Rover not Ferrari.  It was more
important to me to get good coverage.  Yes, it took longer but my lungs (I hope) 
appreciated it.

If the planets align right, I hope to have it down at the Mid Atlantic Rover Rally
this fall.

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: xactly!

Roger Peng wrote,
"=C9Land Cruisers as well as rebuild complete vehicles. The owner tells me =
that
some customers spend $30-$50k for a full restoration. My first reaction is,
heck, for that much money, why not save the trouble and just buy a
Defender?"

That's xactly my reasoning in the matter of full resto or new purchase.  As=

for the leaks in the D90, the genius who designed the soft top didn't
make it fit around the windows with any overlap, hence there is a 1/4" to=

1/2" (all depending on how I wrestle the top back on) gap where the door
window meets the canvas top in the corner.  It was like that from the get=

go.  Also, it seems that the drainage holes in the window got clogged, only
of course, on the drivers side, so that everytime it rained and I braked or=

downshifted, a minor waterfall would drop onto my clutch foot. That sucked.=

This caused a great deal of annoyance the first time it happened in
freezing rain.  Every time I had to stop or slow down and change gears I
got a soaking.
It also caused me to develop a rather funny looking way of dealing with the
problem.  What I would do is this=C9speed up very quickly so that inertia m=
oved
all the water stored up in the window section to the rear, then I would
quickly shift into neutral and dramatically apply the brake while moving my
feet out of the way so that when the truck began to rapidly decelerate,
the deluge would pour down and not soak my feet.  Finally, I took off the=

windows and cleared the clog, but I still get the occasional drip of
water through the "year round air vent" in my soft top, especially in
driving rain.  But the funny thing is, I really don't mind=C9

I'm a waver,
Rich
'95 D90 Green

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:57:01 -0400
Subject: Re: LR parts arrive, testing RR load leveler.

DAVE - I'll be interested to follow your progress on the RR LL installation.
 I have a strong suspition that mine needs replacing too ('89, 100K).  BTW,
what did you pay for your LL?  The price quoted from A-B was $429. - Tony

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:04:35 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@comox.island.net>
Subject: Re: GM Diesel engine

Round about mid May Owen Sayers wrote:

> We are just about finished the installation of a 6.2 version of this =
> engine to a 1985 90.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> weekend - if anyone wants 'em.
> Owen Sayers

Well, how'd it go?

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From: Sharon & Patrick Mulheren <keelam@sol.racsa.co.cr>
Subject: No arranca...I mean, no start!
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:10:08 -0600

The time has come, the Walrus said, to talk of many things...of diesel =
glow plugs, and tie rod ends, and many clunks and pings.  O.K., you LRO =
vets, here's another chance for you to get a good chuckle.  I'm the guy =
in Costa Rica that bought a 1973 diesel SIII two weeks ago...the guy =
that knows nothing about automotive mechanics, let alone diesel, and =
knows very little Spanish yet lives in a very Spanish-speaking country =
(are you getting the picture?).  The Rover ran great for the first two =
weeks (thanks to some greatly appreciated preliminary advice from many =
of you regarding the "hot foot" syndrome [the insulation worked great] =
and mega-freeplay in the steering [I identified a few worn tie rod =
ends], etc.). 

Then, a few days ago, The Beast refused to start.  It turned over fine, =
but it just wouldn't start ("no arranca").  It may or may not be =
related, and I hate to admit this, and I will probably hear a chorus =
from all of you about how stupid it was, but, two days prior, I added =
some diesel fuel additive (thinking, "Hey, it will clean the injectors =
for me and I won't have to do any more maintenance on The Beast for the =
next year!"  ;-> ).  It seemed to INCREASE the smoke output 5-fold!  =
(O.K., O.K., maybe it wasn't the brightest thing to do with an engine =
that I know nothing about.)  Is it possible that the additive loosened =
some crud that then clogged the injectors (or something like that...what =
do I know)?  Anyway, I managed to go by a mechanic's shop that had a =
Land Rover emblem on their sign (although I'm not really sure they are =
actually LR mechanics...they probably just thought the emblem looked =
neat).  After lots of snickers at my poor excuse for Spanish, they =
agreed to come by and take a look at The Beast the next day.  This =
afternoon, the mechanic arrived ON A BICYCLE and, after asking to borrow =
a few of my tools (!), confidently identified the problem as 3 bad glow =
plugs (or, in Spanish, bujias de calientamento...luckily, my wife, who =
speaks Spanish, was there to help translate).  Question:  Would 3 glow =
plugs go bad all at the same time?  He left, leaving me to look in the =
yellow pages for a parts store.  Low and behold, there were several =
parts stores that advertised Land Rover parts...and one even did home =
delivery (guess which one I called!). 

A half-hour later, the new glow plugs (QH brand) arrived (costing the =
equivalent of about $15 (U.S.) each.  Is that reasonable?).  I put them =
in myself but the darn thing still won't start.  It sounds just the same =
as before (except the battery is getting weaker!).  The mechanic will =
come back tomorrow morning (on his bike again, I'm sure!) to take =
another look at it, but I can't say that I have a whole lot of =
confidence in him at this point.  But I'm kind of stuck...my only other =
option would be to call the ONLY Land Rover dealer in the whole country, =
but I'm not sure my wallet could handle that.  So, can anyone out there =
lend a little advice before my mechanic-on-a-bike has me replace, piece =
by piece, every single piece of equipment on The Beast? 

We just bought a house, and I was planning (nay, depending!!) on having =
The Beast all this week to move things back and forth.  Could it be that =
it knows this and is getting revenge on me for knowing nothing about =
Land Rovers (I think it is probably calling ME the "Anti-Christ" at this =
point!)?  Could The Beast be related to Nigel (yes, I've been reading =
the archives)?

Thanks again for putting up with me.

Patrick Mulheren  >>  Costa Rica
keelam@sol.racsa.co.cr

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:38:23 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: whoops.

>OOps. sorry. Not only did I accidently send non LR stuff to the list, but it 
>chopped by the major so you guys didn't even get to read 'em pretty funny
>stuff 
>actually. Some of you got it 'cos you're on my e-mail list. Enjoy. Everybody 
>else, sorrrrrrr-eeeeeee....
-

Sure... tempt us with the really bizarre stuff, but then we don't get to see
it... Rat-Farts!

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Subject: part # for rediseal
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:59:15 -0700

RE: solihull@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:29:20 -0400
>Subject: Part number X-Refs
Solihull asked:

> Does anyone have the number for the
>"Redi-Sleeve" seal for the crank pulley in 2.25s? I remember seeing it in a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>the seal, to give a fresh surface when the seal has cut a groove due to age
>or hardening.

Hi, The part number for the redisleeve is CR 99192,
It is available from British Pacific 1-800-554-4133.

It is a Chicago Rawhide # and could probably be gotten from any bearing
supply but not likely in stock, also the price quotes here would be $42.00,
pennies from B.P.'s price.
We like to give our Land-Rover suppliers the business first.

Regards,
Bob Bernard

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:45:40 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Trip to the Monterey British Car Show

At 06:45 PM 6/9/96 -0700, I wrote:
>I have added a short piece to my Land Rover page.  It recounts a recent Land
>Rover trip up the California coast for the Monterey British Car Show.

OOPS.  The page is at http://home.earthlink.net/~johnliu/monterey.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:48:58 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Changing lock barrels

Jean wrote:
>Q2 - a little off the above subject but how does a wheel size of  
>LT32-10.5 R 16 convert to the more familiar (265/70?? ) system of 
>sizes?

This is pure theory, and manufacturer's data should be sought as well.

LT32-10.5 R 16 means 32 inches overall diameter (10.5 in wide) on a 16 inch
diameter rim.

There are 25.4 mm per inch, giving 32 X 25.4 = 813 mm overall dia.

265/70 R 16 means the tyre is 265 mm wide, the height of rubber is 70%
of the width on a 16 inch rim.  Overall diameter is thus:

(265 X 70/100 X 2) + (16 X 25.4) = 777 mm overall dia.

James Carley
Sydney, Australia
'85 110

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:08:00 -0400
Subject: Re: LROI letter 

Nate writes:

>In the new LROI, there is a letter asking about repainting by brush.  Let me
>say, for
>those thinking of doing so, I did and it worked very well.

I haven't tried it but I've seen several boats which were painted by a
combination of roller and brush. A roller was used for the initial
application, and then the paint was immediately smoothed with the brush
(tipped). The roller applies a more uniform coat than a brush. The paint used
was a one or two part marine enamel which claims to be "self flattening". It
was very difficult to tell from a spray job at more than one foot.

David Cockey

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:11:07 -0400
Subject: Re: LR parts arrive, testing RR load leveler.

Dave writes::

>The whole customs ordeal was incredibly simple and went with absolutely
>no problems, to my amazement. No customs broker was needed since it was
>to an individual (me) and cost $65 US in duty.

Could you please elaborate on the shipping. Was it surface or by air, and
where did you request it be shipped to? I'm contemplating a large order from
the UK and could use more info on shipping.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:37:22 -0400
Subject: UK LR places

Some Land Rover related places in the UK:

BRITISH MOTOR HERITAGE CENTER
"Largest collection of historic British vehicles".  An excellent collection
of 300 or so vehicles, including a very good selection of twenty or so Land
Rovers. Some are inside while others are outside Also have an off-road course
ride in a 110 SW.
Gaydon (off the M40, south of Coventry)

MUSEUM OF ARMY TRANSPORT
Very largeindoor collection of British Army trucks and other vehicles,
including a number of army Land Rovers. There is a 109 air portable inside a
Beverley transport aircraft. If you are into military vehicles this is a must
see.
Beverley (north of Kingston-upon-Hull) Follow the signs from the center of
town.

DUNSFOLD LAND ROVER TRUST
The Dunsfold LR Trust is headquarted at Dunsfold Land Rover, Dunsfold, Surrey
which is south of Guilford (south of London). However, most of the Trust's
Land Rovers, particularly the driveable ones are not there. They don't have a
building so they keep the collection spread about where space is available.
Dunsfold Land Rover is still an interesting place to stop by. They specialize
in Series LR parts and restoration, have an excellant selection of parts for
Series LRs, and some interesting unrestored Land Rovers parked outside. .
They don't seem to mind unobnoxious visitors who just want to look around
outside, particularly if you purchase some parts first. Just ask permission
to look around first, and remember they are a business, not a museum. The
annual open day when most of the collection is assembled is October 6th.

Get a good UK road atlas, and look up Dunsfold, Surrey. From the A281 at
Alford Crossways take the side road west to Dunsfold. Dunsfold LR is on the
right behind some trees just before Dunsfold (warning, directions from
memory).

LRO SHOW
July 19-21, 1996
Info from LROI magazine, no personal experience
Largest LR gathering with several thousand vehicles, including Series I,
Series II, Series III, Lightweight, 101FC, Ex-Military, and Range Rover
clubs. A very large trade area also.
Site is Billing Aquadrome, Northampton which is a large “fun center” with
swimming pools, boating, miniature railway, amusement centre, etc. According
to '95 A to Z Road Atlas Billing Aquadrome is just south of Great Billing and
Little Billing, east of the city of Northampton. Northampton is less than two
hours north of London east of the M1.

Billing Show is run by the former LRO mag. staff, not the current staff. A UK
phone number to try is: 01379 890056 Fax: 01379 898244. From US drop leading
0 and dial 011 44 UK number.

ACCOMODATIONS
Our usual accomodations in Britain (other than those provided by my wife’s
family) are Bed & Breakfasts, usually in the 15#-18# range per person per
night. Not necessarially fancy and with “facilities” down the hall. Our
experiences have ranged from a few which were merely adequate to a number
which were excellent. Almost always very friendly folks and a hearty
breakfast. Our technique in Britain has been to look for “B&B” signs in front
of houses which are not always very obvious, or in a "tourist" area visit the
local Tourist Info center. We've never used one of the directories, and my
impression is that many that make the directories are more "inns" than homes.

Daid Cockey
Rochester, MI

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:20:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LROI letter 

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Nathan Dunsmore wrote:

> In the new LROI, there is a letter asking about repainting by brush.  
> Let me say, for those thinking of doing so, I did and it worked very well. 
>.
	You can paint with something other than a brush?  What a novel 
	idea... 	:-)

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:12:13 -0400
From: michelbe@login.net (Michel)
Subject: Frame paint and Waxoyl

Hello all, 

I am in the process of sandblasting and painting a 109 military frame. I
have a ggod primer but would like some suggestions on what kind of paint or
undercoating or whatever I should use for the frame.

On another hand, I would like to know if anybody knows if Waxoyl is
available in Canada or in the Northwest States somewhere. If I can't get it,
does anybody know of a good substitute available on this cold area of the world?

Thanks you all in advance, 

Michel Bertrand
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
             ______________________ 
 >>>>>>>>>>>|__________|| ()|______| 1963 IIA 109 PU (top is off) (Rudolph)
            |          ||---|  /\ |  and friends (109 SW + 88 sw) (not shown) 
            |__________||---|_ \/_| 
 >>>>>>>>>>>|__________||___|______|
                                             

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From: Rick.Crider@trellis.net
Date: 10 Jun 1996 23:36:38 EDT
Subject: For BRUCE & PATCHES

Bruce........
I'm not currently getting headers with my list mail........and
therefore can't send you email regarding 109's for sale.   Please email
me with your email address.
Thanks.
Rick Crider
<rick.crider@trelllis.net>

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:59:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Birmabright Brotherhood!

    Just wanted to relay a nice story to you all.  Last week, the phone
rang at about 9PM, and a voice asked for me.  He said, "my name is Arnold
Yoon, and I E-mailed you a couple of weeks ago saying I'd be in your area."
When I asked where he was, Arnold told me he was at the local mall-about 5
minutes away!  I told him I'd meet him, but he wanted to come over to my
place and I gave him directions.  Arnold arrived(in a Volvo sedan of all
things! ;-))  and introduced himself.  We talked Rovers and we went for a
drive around town with Arnold at the wheel of my '87 Range Rover(he'd never
driven a Rangie).
     Arnold is a student at the University of Wisconsin, and he and his
parents were up here in Maine visiting.  Arnold coerced his parents into
buying a Discovery and somehow convinced them only to use it in the winter!
I guess it'll be in better shape for him when he somehow tricks them into
giving it to him! ;-)  While here, Arnold showed me a colorized logo for
the Birmabright Brotherhood which looked quite nice!  It was one of the
best evenings I've had in a long time!  Thanks for the visit Arnold!  :-)

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:52:37 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Places to go....acrosss the pond

At  9:44 AM 6/10/96 -0500, Peter C. Doncaster wrote:
> I'm going across the pond.  While I'm
>there, I'd like to hit some places of LRO interest.

When are you going to be there??

The Billing Land Rover meet is on the weekend of July 19.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:01:33 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Frame paint and Waxoyl

Moss Motors caries Waxol.  The have an office in California and in New Jersy

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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