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1 Wdcockey@aol.com 24Steering box SPOT: oil stop leak
2 Ashley Charlwood [10132027Timing and clearance 2.25
3 iharper@afm.org 28Split Charger
4 Paul Hanson ["HANSONPA@"8RoverWorks
5 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo125Re: Steering box SPOT: oil stop leak
6 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo118Re: RoverWorks
7 Wdcockey@aol.com 29Re: Steering box SPOT: leak cause determined
8 daviscar@cris.com 18wanted 109 3door
9 Solihull@aol.com 14Part number X-Refs
10 JDolan2109@aol.com 15LR movie idea...
11 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa25Re: LR movie idea...
12 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+17Re: RoverWorks
13 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e7Trip to the Monterey British Car Show
14 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e12Re: wanted 109 3door
15 rhodesia@juno.com (Chris18[not specified]
16 Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-m5Re: Waving
17 "jean gruneberg" [grunbe43Re: Changing lock barrels
18 James Mercer [james@babb48Leaky Hub.
19 Craig Morgan [C.Morgan@s4088inch Stage One's ...
20 Ashley Charlwood [1013209Soundproofing a soft top....


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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:37:02 -0400
Subject: Steering box SPOT: oil stop leak

I've discovered a new SPOT in our '60 SII pickup: silver anti-seize compound
as a stop-leak for steering boxes.

The steering box has had a major oil leak at the joint of the box and side
cover. Silver anti-seize was caked around the fill plug when we purchased the
beast (rather mysterious), and when I pulled the side plate to replace the
gasket there was 3/8" of bright silver anti-seize caked in the bottom of the
box (very mysterious). Initial fears of extreme wear were set aside after
reasoning that the steering is not sloppy, no wear on the worm was apparent,
and the silver gung was not magnetic. Final conclusion: the previous owner
tried using anti-seize as a stop leak similar to radiator stop leak (it
doesn't work).

One mystery remains: an extra 9/32" ball loose in the box. How long has it
been there, and how did it get there?

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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Date: 09 Jun 96 13:56:24 EDT
From: Ashley Charlwood <101320.2736@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Timing and clearance 2.25

I think someone was asking about engine settings for a SIII 2.25 after
overheating on the M40?

Points gap 0.36-0.40 mm (0.014-0.016inches)

Depends on engine age for Ignition timing.  On early ones the timing poitner is
on flywheel housing. Later ones are on front timing chain cover. Anyway they are
the same you want 6 degrees BTDC.

Spark plug gap 0.75-0.80 mm (.029-0.032 inches).

I had a similar problem to the one that you have with a SIIa.  I never had a
problem again after I changed the plugs and the condenser and checked the
tuning.  It then ran really smoothly. If the condenser is old then it may be
that the heat in the engine bay stops it working efficiently. In your case
though it sounds like there is actual fuel starvation... so it may not help.

Hope this gets you going again.

AJ..

SIII Lightweight V8 Soft-top.

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From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Split Charger
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 96 13:59:29 EST

While we're on the subject of split charging, My vehicle has, I believe, a 
split charger on it (I assume this as the previous owner had a battery in 
the back hooked up....don't know if it worked though, come to think of 
it!!)   The device in question is round, about 2" high, with 3 terminals.  
As I have taken the previous 2x6v batteries out of the back, all this is 
doing now is serving as a connector post for the battery cable.

Does anyone have one of these, and how is it to be hooked up?  It looks 
like it's as old as the truck (74) and is situated midway between the 
engine and the heater.

Otherwise I'll just have to turn it into another bottle opener (leave it 
in situ so that I can get those old fashioned bottles open without leaving 
the comfort of the engine compartment!)

BTW, it seems that the other 2 who asked about split charging were also 
named Ian....Hmmmmm.......

TTFN,  Ian Harper

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 This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.

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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 15:01:09 -0500
From: Paul Hanson <"HANSONPA@"@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: RoverWorks

Need advice about Mr. Bill Klopping and his defunct Co.  He has stolen 
in excess of $350K from over 20 victims. If you have any info. regarding 
please respond .  THANKS!!

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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 18:29:35 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Steering box SPOT: oil stop leak

Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:
 
> I've discovered a new SPOT in our '60 SII pickup: silver anti-seize compound
> as a stop-leak for steering boxes.
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> David Cockey
> Rochester, MI

I hope you're right because new steering boxes are very expensive.  However, 
in my case, the worm drive looked fine too.  The wear occurs on the bearing 
surfaces at the top of the box.  There are a couple of races there.  You may want
to get a look at those if you're concerned about wear.  As for the extra bearing, it 
probably is not extra but dropped out inadvertantly during reassembly around the 
time when the silver anti-seize was used.  My opinion:  the bearing surfaces probably 
have some wear but if oil stayed in the box, you're probably ok.

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 18:35:59 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: RoverWorks

Paul Hanson wrote:
> Need advice about Mr. Bill Klopping and his defunct Co.  He has stolen
> in excess of $350K from over 20 victims. If you have any info. regarding
> please respond .  THANKS!!

Where is this RoverWorks located?  The only one I know is in NY state.  (A local
guy uses the same name but hey, he does one rover at a time. No way he's got $350K
of people's money.)

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:03:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Steering box SPOT: leak cause determined

Nate writes concerning my steering box mysteries:
> However, 
>in my case, the worm drive looked fine too.  The wear occurs on the bearing 
>surfaces at the top of the box.  There are a couple of races there.  You may
>want
>to get a look at those if you're concerned about wear.

I discovered the cause of my steering box leaking - the mysterious  extra
9/32" ball. It had been trapped between the rocker shaft and the box next to
the cover, and an indentation 1/32" deep was made. In an excellent example of
metal flow a corresponding bump 1/32" high was formed next to the
 indentation on the joint. There was now way a seal was possible. Some very
judicious file work, Hylomar, a new gasket and we will see. No signs of any
bearing wear, and there isn't any free play nor binding in the shaft.

I suspect the extra ball has been there since 3/59 (M359 is stamped on the
box, it is a 1960 SII, and the other dates are late 59) as it was the cause
of the leak to begin with. This was an extra ball, both the top and bottom
shaft bearings had the appropriate number of balls. I know such things didn't
happen at Solihull, but the box was a purchased component.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:20:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: wanted 109 3door

HI all

I know someone who wants a 109 3 door older then 1968.
It needs to be driveable with a useable frame. He does not want to have to
do a frame over right away.
Some repair ok (brakes, tires, etc.) does not have to be perfect but does
have to be in the USA.
So if anyone has one for sale just e-mail me with the info and I will pass
it on.

Bruce 
67 SIIA 88 Patches

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:29:20 -0400
Subject: Part number X-Refs

Last weekend I replaced some wheel bearings in a '90 RR. I got the bearings
at NAPA, 'Set 37' was the way the parts were billed out. The clerk crossed
the numbers on the old bearing and race. Does anyone have the number for the
"Redi-Sleeve" seal for the crank pulley in 2.25s? I remember seeing it in a
catalogue from an obscure supplier a few years back, but now I need it. This
is a kit with a steel sleeve to go over the part of the pulley that rides in
the seal, to give a fresh surface when the seal has cut a groove due to age
or hardening.

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:31:16 -0400
Subject: LR movie idea...

I just had a thought about a possible movie with a LR in a prominent role.
Kind of a "dark comedy" 8-). You see this guy takes an aging Rover with Lucas
electrics to a U-Haul store to rent a trailer, and the guys who work there
(played by those old favorites, the 3 Stooges), won't let it leave until
*all* the lights work! The possibilities are endless. Anyway, I think I lived
through a dress rehersal this morning!.....
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: LR movie idea...

On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 JDolan2109@aol.com wrote:

> I just had a thought about a possible movie with a LR in a prominent role.
> Kind of a "dark comedy" 8-). You see this guy takes an aging Rover with Lucas
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> through a dress rehersal this morning!.....
> see 'ya on the old road...

I had a lead role in just such a comic farce last fall in Reno, but with 
an unexpected twist.  I went into rent a trailer and it took over an hour 
to get it out of there due to the lights- on the trailer.  The Rover was 
just fine.

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network |                               *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:16:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: RoverWorks

Reply to me direct and explain who you are and why you need this 
information.  I have plenty of info if you are interested.

Russ W.

On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Paul Hanson wrote:

> Need advice about Mr. Bill Klopping and his defunct Co.  He has stolen 
> in excess of $350K from over 20 victims. If you have any info. regarding 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> in excess of $350K from over 20 victims. If you have any info. regarding 
> please respond .  THANKS!!

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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 18:45:25 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Trip to the Monterey British Car Show

I have added a short piece to my Land Rover page.  It recounts a recent Land
Rover trip up the California coast for the Monterey British Car Show.

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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 19:14:29 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: wanted 109 3door

At 08:20 PM 6/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I know someone who wants a 109 3 door older then 1968.
>It needs to be driveable with a useable frame. He does not want to have to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Bruce 
>67 SIIA 88 Patches
Mine is for sale at http://home.earthlink.net/~johnliu/forsale.htm

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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:18:05 PST
Subject: Re: RoverWorks
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

Nathan,

Roverworks is the one in NY, I think it is the one that used to be in
Hyde Park. I got some literature from them when I was thinking of
selling mine and buying a reconditioned beast (before I came to my
senses). They list their number as 1-800-4AROVER, with William Klopping
as VP/Marketing Director.

Cheers
Sarai Zvakanaka

Chris Whitehead

1966 Series IIA -going back together a piece at a time!!!

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: Waving
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:36:02 +0200 (METDST)

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From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@dbn-pop.iafrica.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:56:23 +0200
Subject: Re: Changing lock barrels

Hi all

Decided to post this to the leaf spring list as I am the proud owner 
of a series 4 ;-) (1984 110 S/W with two piece doors; get the widow 
rattle of a series for effect and coil springs for the ride; best of both 
worlds). Anyway my LR is down to one working door lock barrel and it 
has become a real pain to unlock and open the rear door etc.

Bought replacement barrel set and set about the rear lock (least 
significant starting point.)  Seems a simple operation to swop them 
as just press locking pin / lug through the steel outer tube, remove 
replace hey presto.  Well; best laid plans etc, etc.  Could not get 
the barrel out.  My w/shop manual has no info on two door variants.

Q1 - do I have to take the whole lock mechanism apart (cut out the 
rivets) to remove the lock or is there some trick to this?

Q2 - a little off the above subject but how does a wheel size of  
LT32-10.5 R 16 convert to the more familiar (265/70?? ) system of 
sizes?

Thanx for the info
Regards
Jean
_________________________________
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Vector Control Lab.              ph +27 (0)31 282274
Durban City Health             c-ph +27 (0)82 551 8433
P.O.Box 2443                    fax +27 (0)31 3003030
4000 Durban                  e-mail grunberg@iafrica.com    
South Africa                   

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some problems, if you hit reply will go to new address, 
however old address will still work***
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:39:47 -0800
From: James Mercer <james@babbage.cs.murdoch.edu.au>
Subject: Leaky Hub.

Hi All, 

Another question for the Land Rover group-mind.

Did a little bit of trail driving on the weekend, nothing really exciting, 
just driving around on some old gravel roads, some soft sand tracks
and though a couple of places where the track was badly washed away.
Generally had lots of fun...  

Well, even though the pace was slow, and I was gentle, the bloody Land
Rover still sprung a new leak (I think it was a matter of principal).

When we finished there was oil leaking out of the right  
free wheeling hub (Fairey), and by the time I got home, the LR had 
developed a nasty pull to the left under brakes.  After cleaning up the
oil on the outside of the wheel, no more oil has emerged...

I realise that I have done an oil seal, and that there is oil in the 
brake drum, which brings me to the questions: 

Does oil in the drum as well as on the outside of the wheel mean that
*both* the inner and outer oil seals are gone? :(

Is the inner seal a big deal to fix?

The Outer?

Are the Brake pads stuffed now they have had oil on them, or can they be
cleaned up enough so they are safe??  

Thanks for any advise anyone can give.  The fun of the driving is worth the
effort of the repairs (I think).

Later,
James.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:15:12 +0000
From: Craig Morgan <C.Morgan@soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: 88inch Stage One's ...

Hi all,
	I was leafing through a few old copies of LROI at the weekend and
came across the following in the 'Land Rover Story' section, the edition is
May '95 BTW. It may be of interest to those chasing reported 88" Stage I's.

	There's a little sidebar which sometimes appears, titled 'Updates',
this month it contained ...

	'Information is trickling in about 88inch Stage I V8 models
	mentioned in the March issue. No-one has yet confirmed the
	existence of the Saudi Arabian batch, but I have been told
	that a small quantity (possibly six) was built in 1980 or
	1981 for the Jamaican police. Whether they were delivered or
	not is unclear, but at least one of them seems to have been
	sold through a Land Rover dealer in Wales, fitted out as a
	County Station Wagon. It was registered as HOJ 573W. Thanks
	to Chris Moore for that information.'

	Sod's law dictated that I could'nt lay my hand on the March issue
easily, but I'll check more thoroughly tonight. Anybody know the
where-abouts of the above mentioned CSW ... sounds interesting!

--
Craig

                            ,,,   Wot, NO mountains!
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Date: 10 Jun 96 06:25:34 EDT
From: Ashley Charlwood <101320.2736@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Soundproofing a soft top....

I have thought about the BJ acoustics kit for a while but wonder they would make
any significant reduction in noise with the hood on.

Has anyone tried it.....

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