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From: RALPH@SMUGGITS.MHS.CompuServe.COM
Date: 06 Jun 96 07:26:46 EDT
Subject: Re: SPLIT CHARGERS - ADVICE PLEASE

Ian,

You may have guessed that I've looked into this already. I haven't fitted 
a split charger, 24V vehicles do it anyway, but I'm considering splitting 
the auxiliary output as well. Split chargers that will handle up to four 
banks of batteries are available from marine and caravan places, I'll 
send specific prices and info if you require. Fitting isn't a problem, 
you'll get a box with a number of threaded connecting posts, just hook 
the battery\ alternator cables to the appropriate posts and off you go. 
If you want to use external 110\240 V power you can get units that will 
handle that for charging and usage. Additionally if you are going to get 
some of those solar panels, there are chargers that handle that too, with 
alternator isolation. There are different types to consider, you want to 
get one that gives no voltage drop (I believe diode types can drop up to 
1V) leading to significant undercharging of the batteries. I have an 
article off one of the compuserve sailing forum libraries (54K) which 
I'll send if you want all the info.

Regards,

Ralph.

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From: "Gary Stamp (MS Mail)" <GStamp@tctrd1.crosfield.co.uk>
Subject: testing my connection - please ignore
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 13:15:00 gmt

test only

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: BBLIST
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 08:24:00 DST

I've just mailed the latest version of the BB List. If you don't get one and 
think you should or if your entry is outdated, please let me know

Trevor Easton (teason@dqc2.dofasco.ca)

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:38:14 -0700
From: Jon Nyhus <bmc@syspac.com>
Subject: Re: 4 feet of water vs. a Disco (Longish)

At 11:36 PM 6/5/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Gene

When I worked for Land Rover (PHX) I drove a Range Rover in to a river
(fording the river) and had water come up and over the bonnet.  The water
was 3-4" below the waist seals on the doors.  I have also done this with
RSP-110 (prototype 110) to the the bottom of the side windows and again with
P38A-2.  Great fun.

Regards,   Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
British Motor Classics, Ltd.,  
8828 N. Black Canyon Hwy #1
Phoenix,  AZ  85051  USA
602.995.2028     FAX 602.995.1909     
E-Mail  bmc@syspac.com  
British auto restoration for all marques,
Car sales & locating service, Spares sales

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: The BBlist
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 09:50:00 DST

In advertently the whole digest was added to the BBlist mail group. Please 
ignore the list posting if you are not a member or send me your deatils if 
you would like to join.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:57:52 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Jackstands and rapid descent

At 10:40 PM 6/6/96 -0700, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:

>        Some mention of jackstands leads to thoughts about proper methods and
>material when working under one's truck or car.
;
Living in earthquake country, I strongly agree with Bill's safety suggestions.

i would like to add a few suggestions on top of his.

1. On dirt and asphalt always use a board under a jackstand. Use thick
plywood.  Its better to have the same board under all the stands or under
two of then than a different one under eash stand.

2. Working on a gentle slope may allow you to have more stable work area if
place the car long direction to the slope; put an anchor up hill of the car
and run a cable between the anchor and the car.  I have a 1 inch pipe
pounded a couple feet into the dirt and use a come along to the frame.  I
live 1 mile from the surface epicenter of the '89 7.2 Loma Prieta quake.
My TR3 was on 4 jackstands on a slope when it happpened.  My house was
trashed but the TR stayed up on the stands.  It helped that my car was
lengthwise to the earth movement.

3. I don't give the car a nudge, I give it a good shake on a couple of
different axis.  If it seems even a little unstable I'll reset the stands.

I do not want to die laying under my car unable to take a breath of air.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:58:49 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: List Problems: Author ID

Sounds like your mailer is hiding the header info.  Here's what I got from you:

X-Authentication-Warning: relay.gte.com: postman set sender to
<LRO-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net> using -f
From: Rick.Crider@trellis.net
X-To: lro@land-rover.team.net
Date: 6 Jun 1996 02:17:46 EDT
Subject: List Problems: Author ID
X-edited-by: LRO-Lite

So the Reply-to is set to LRO, but the from is you.  Depending on mailers,
you can set how this is handled (-f option on some mailers).  Try to find
an option to display the whole header.  On eudora, the icon says "blah blah
blah" and clicking on it shows all the header info.

Good Luck!
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: Guy Arnold <GUY@facade.adm.clarkson.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:00:48 EDT
Subject: Overdrive Installed

Well I finally found time to install my new Fairey OD by Superwinch 
from RN (thanks to the restoration discount from RN the price was 
right). The only problems with the installation was getting the 
proper location to cut the hole through the transmission cover. I was 
off by a small bit and had to modify the hole a small amount. The 
other small problem was when I removed the end cover of the transfer 
case the studs came out of the case along with the nuts. No big 
problem I thought because I would just install them again with the OD 
unit. I found that because of the clearances the studs have to be in 
the case before the OD is married to the transfer case. The last 
problem was that the stud on the outside of the OD unit (nearest the 
frame) can not be tighten with a regular 15mm wrench because there is 
no room to swing the wrench. I resorted to alittle LRO's solution. I 
took an old 9/16 wrench that I nevered used and cut it in half. I 
then used my grinder to enlarge it to 15mm and now I have a special 
wrench for installing my OD unit.
The OD unit definitely increased the total transmission noise but I 
justed turned the stereo up. It is nice to be able to cruise at 55mph 
and have the tack only read 2400rpm. I am keeping it to 55 and under 
for the first 500 miles as per Superwinch's recommendation. 
Now I feel more comfortable making some longer road trips with the 
"Green Machine".

Guy Arnold
1973 Series III swb
1960 MGA 1600 roadster

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:02:06 -0500
From: David William Scott <birddog@mindspring.com>
Subject: Brakes

Is there any problem with running the 11 inch 109 brakes on the back of an
88 and the regular size on the front?  Thanks for the guage rebuilder
address.  regards birddog.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 15:56:54 +0200
From: Jean Risse <jris@oce.nl>
Subject: Re: some questions about servicing

At 13:33 5-06-96 -0700, you wrote:
>Disco-centric, but figuring some of the questions are meaningful to
>non-plushies. Was changing some fluids recently:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>especially at the price of $10/US quart especially if I am going to
>go wading up to my toes. Is this a good price and is Valvoline any
>good?

No, it is not worth it. The oil doesn't stay in there long enough to proof
it's major quality aspect (lasting > 10000 km.) Because the oil seals will
always "leak" a bit, the oil level needs to be topped up regularily.
Don't know about quality differences between Valvoline and others.

>Q2: I wanted to check and replace my transmission fluid and diff
>fluid, but I couldn't find a filler hole or check hole even after
>looking at my manual (which only said to refill it). How do I check
>and fill?

The filler hole and check hole are the same.
Diffs:It's located on the diff. housing, somewhat above the middle. Front
side on the front axle, rearside of the rear axle.
Transmission: on the right hand side.
Fill untill you spill. (diffs and transmission)

>Q3: Having done this work on my back I am considering jack stands.
>I have looked at several briefly, and feel nervous to say the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>ones, or are they all the same? Sears?
>Q4: Stupid question of the day: I assume there are rear swivels but

No. At least not on a Defender. To my knowledge they are equal to the ones
on disco's.

>is their a need to renew the fluid in the back wheel area or is

You will have to grease the bearings by removing the hub things (sorry, dont
know english word, but it's the black round plate in the middle of each
wheel with five bolts)

>that handled by the axle 90w? Also, if that is true, why is it
>necessary to fill both the front diff as well as the swivels?

Good question! Been wondering about that as well. It's one of the
Everything-I-always-wanted-to-know-about-Land-Rovers-but-were-afraid-to-ask
questions, I guess.

By the way, if you're into these 'minor' jobs on your car, it will probably
get worst. It's worth getting a LR Workshop manual. Not only because of it's
practical use, but it's a great piece of mind if you find yourself puzzled
by early '50 enineering on a sunday afternoon, when shops are closed and
friends are gone...

Jean Risse 

>-- 
>Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838
>least. I don't particularly relish the idea of becoming driveway
>relish. Are these things really that sturdy and who makes good

________________________
This note does not necessarily represent the position of Oce-
Nederland B.V. Therefore no liability or responsibility for what-
ever will be accepted.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:03:24 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: 4 feet of water vs. a Disco (Longish)

> Gene's swimming story deleted. <

Excellent story!  I'm surprised the ECU made it, because it must have been
under water.  Thanks for sharing.         -Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: "Gary Stamp (MS Mail)" <GStamp@tctrd1.crosfield.co.uk>
Subject: air con and my rad
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 16:20:00 gmt

Hi chaps and chapesses,

My first mailing so lets hope your reading this !

My 1985 RR overheats !

There may be a chance it has the wrong rad with air con fitted. Does anyone 
know how I can tell ?

/Gary

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: BBList
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 11:28:00 DST

My prevoius note re the BBList "sent to digest" should be ignored. Thanks to 
a fortuitous mail error the post to the digest bounced and thus saved me 
some embarassment (Thanks, O mighty gods of cyberspace). Several others 
bounced too, so please check if you haven't received the list and send me a 
current Email address. (If you don't get this note, call me?????)

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:51:17 -0400
Subject: Re: BBList

Trevor,

I got the warning message, the message that supposedly had the attachments,
and the retractions, plus this.  No list though.

'til later,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:14:05 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Mich. L-R & Broken down in PA blues...

Hi everyone!  I'm back, albiet a day or two late, from my trips.  A
wonderful time was had despite having a bit of trouble with my IIa.

MICHIGAN ROVER

First, while in Michigan I attended a couple of concerts at Pine Knob.  On
Saturday   while looking for a parking spot, one of the ladies I was with
suggested "Why don't you park across from that Land-Rover."  Sure enough, a
Series III 109 was sitting there.  Steve, the owner, ran up to introduce
himself.  He told me that he doesn't know of another Series vehicle in the
area, and was really surprised to see me.

Steve had quite a crowd with him -- a friend was driving Steve's blue
w/zebra stripes Range Rover!  Unfortunately, Steve won't be able to make
the OVLR as he's getting married that weekend and will be honeymooning
during the Owls Head.  He's going to get in touch with me though for info
about the Mid-Atlantic, and I think we can "bring him into the fold!"

BREAKDOWN BLUES

Our story starts as I'm driving through Ohio.  A random thought crossed my
mind -- I decided that I really should order and carry the transfer gear
and cover plate for the transmission in case of overdrive failure...

(This is a dramatic device we call foreshadowing.  Or maybe it was a
premonition!)

About two hours later, a little west of DuBois, PA, the tranny began to
make a funny "spinning" noise, and the Landy lost propulsion so I quickly
pulled off of the interstate.  I tried all of the tricks -- engaging 4WD,
low range, reverse, with no luck.  A cellular call to Doug Main confirmed
my worst fear -- I really should be carrying that stuff to take the
overdrive offline!

I checked the BB list and didn't find anyone in the area.  Calls to both
DAP and Rovers North failed to locate any Series Vehicle owners in the area
so I was feeling a bit alone.

Anyhow, to make a long story short, AAA took care of the towing and the
flatbed driver was most helpful in helping me to locate a mechanic willing
to do the work the next day -- as opposed to next week.  (I know, I could
have done it myself, but not knowing the area I was lacking for a work
space.)  This driver even gave me a lift to the local "Ramada Lite" where a
room was available for $35/night.  Not bad, and I caught some movies on the
free HBO.  There was a good, and reasonably priced, "home cookin'"
restaurant within walking distance of the motel, so fears of a day of
Arby's and Burger King were quickly laid to rest.

Bruce at DAP already had the parts gathered and packed (based on my call
from the roadside) so they were on the way Red Label as soon as I phoned in
the mechanics address.  If you're ever stuck in the area of mile marker 80
on I-80 in PA, ( USA) give Mike Himes a call.

Mike Hime's Automotive
R.D. 1, Box 48E
Corsica, PA 15829
(814) 3036

He'd even worked on a Series vehicle previously for a now deceased
resident.  And his $20/hr labor rate is most reasonable, at least to
someone who lives in the shadow of NYC!  Mike had me ready to go by 6PM the
following evening, but I decided to stay another night rather than drive 6
hours in the dark and rain.

Early the next morning -- bright and sunny -- I was on the road.  I found
that I was basically able to maintain speed, 60-65MPH even without the OD.
The ride was a little noisier, but that's hardly noticable with the top
down.  Gas mileage was down a bit, but not really that noticable.  (I don't
track it exactly, only by time between stops.)

All-in-all it wasn't too bad.  But the expensive part, rebuilding the OD,
is yet to come...

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Mich. L-R & Broken down in PA blues...

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

> on I-80 in PA, ( USA) give Mike Himes a call.
> Mike Hime's Automotive
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Corsica, PA 15829
> (814) 3036

Hi Jeff,

Great story, glad it all worked out well, and we have another data point 
for a decent mechanic.  Speaking of which, I realize it's a rural area and 
all, but isn't there more to the telephone number?

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network |                               *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:30:11 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Mich. L-R & Broken down in PA blues...

Whoops -- If you really wanted to call Mike Himes. you'd probably need the
WHOLE phone number.

Mike Hime's Automotive
R.D. 1, Box 48E
Corsica, PA 15829
(814) 849-3036

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg        Purple Shark Media              Rowayton, CT
                       jeff@purpleshark.com
                        ==================
                Bimbo-limbo is where I've been...
  I'm looking for a smart woman in a real short skirt
          A smart woman who knows how to flirt
                                                       --Jimmy Buffett

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: Gettin' a Lift

Corcerning jackstands, Michael Caradine sez "One solution for me is using an
old set of tire rims and placing them under the wheels of the vehicle."

I do the same thing with cinderblocks.  The neat thing is I can drive onto
the blocks in low 1st.  On level ground, I push blocks up to the leading
edge of all four wheels, lock the hubs, put her in low range and ease out
the clutch.  The truck feels like it is going straight up!  Gotta be careful
not to drive too far, and off the end of the block.  Not too tough, though.
Be sure to keep it in gear. I used this method when I rebuilt the tranny
brake recently.  Had plenty of room to work.  Wooden chocks were insurance
against rolling. 

Driving off is a bit exciting, too!  

Scott Fugate
1970 IIA
1989 RR

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:38:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Gettin' a Lift

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, M Scott Fugate wrote:

> Driving off is a bit exciting, too!  

	Not as exciting as driving off the end of wheel ramps in an
	Austin Mini by mistake... :-)  Even worse if there are witnesses
	about.  Can't get any useful suggestions from them, nor help
	because they are laughing so hard...

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AAE.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:50:11 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Gettin' a Lift

Scott Fugate writes:

> I do the same thing with cinderblocks.  
snip
Yikes!
WARNING!
Cinder blocks are *very* unsafe for parking cars on. They have little 
strength when used on their sides (ie. with the holes horizontal).
And even upright I wouldn't trust them. They can have cracks that 
severly weaken them that can be less than obvious. They get their 
strength when made into walls with motar. Alone they are junk, IMHO.
By some wooden blocking if you don't trust jackstands alone. It's 
cheap compared to having a lung fixed that's been punctured by one of 
your ribs that broke when your LR fell on you.
Sheesh. Gives me the creeps just thinking about it.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:47:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Gettin' a Lift

NEVER, NEVER, EVER USE CINDER BLOCKS !!!!!!!!!

Even when arranged on edge, the block have fracture zones (yes a closet
geologist speaking) which WILL cause the block to fail when supporting a load
such as a car/Rover/etc.  May not happen now, but it will eventually.  The
blocks are designed to be mutually supportive in a wall configuration where
the load is distributed evenly.  Lotsa weight in one localized site causes
shearing between the cinders/gravel/matrix leading to failure.

PLEASE spend the bucks and get quality 3-5 ton, welded construction,
ratcheting jack stands.

'til later,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:36:00 -0500
Subject: lifts, stands, chocks, etc.

I alway use a minimum 3-ton jack stand and chock the two wheels on both
sides of the opposite end of the Rover - i.e., if working on the front
both rear wheels get chocked. For chocks I've selected good examples 
from my split wood pile.

I also give the Rover a good hard shake - at least as hard as anything I 
would go with a wrench or other lever - before getting under it.

Dumb Thing I've Done #1: My rover lives on a raised slip next to the 
driveway. It has a gentle slope of a little over a foot at the entrance
end, but then is level when the truck sits. I was adjusting the mixture
and other work on the carb about a week after I bought it, and so was
running it in neutral. I didn't put wheel chocks at the tires. I ran 
inside to grab a tool or something, and when I came out the Rover had
rolled off the slip and impaled itself into the side of our 4 month old 
Saturn wagon. $600 in damage to the saturn, no damage to the Rover. Had
a good time explaining it to the insurance agent...

Whenever I do *any* work on it now, I put the chocks in.

Dumb Thing I've Done #2: Again with the slip. When replacing the front
exhaust pipe, I had to raise the truck up very high in order to get the
pipe out and the new one in. To get the clearence I needed, I put the
rear wheels on the end of the slip at the bottom of the slope. Between
the front and rear wheels, I put a pair of drive up ramps facing
backword and *on the slope*, and then backed the truck onto the ramps.
When I was done, the Rover was at greater than a 45 degree angle to 
level. I set the brake, put it in gear, and chocked the rear wheels,
gave it the shake test & everything, but even still I only had it up 
there long enough to get the old pipe out and the new one in place 
(but not bolted to anything). It was very scary.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Magpantay, Larry" <lmagpant@med1.medsch.ucla.edu>
Subject: Testing/waving
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 12:32:00 PDT

Hi All,
This is just a test to see if it'll get posted. I sent  another e-mail a few 
days ago and didn't see it in the postings. Anyways, a couple of days ago 
while I was walking down Santa Monica Blvd after coming out of the gym in 
W.Los Angeles, I saw a Black '95 D90 approaching down the street. I stick my 
thumb up in front of me to let him know that I think he's driving a cool 
truck. He saw me and he waved back. Imagine that, I got a wave back and I 
wasn't even driving any of my rovers. He probably thought I was strange 
giving him a thumb up. That was actually surprising cause there are so many 
Discos & Rangies out here in the West Coast that a lot of these owners don't 
wave & might think weird of you if you wave at them. But, I always wave at a 
fellow Series or even a 90 especially when I'm driving my rover.

Larry Magpantay
'73 Ser III 88" (fade)Pastel Green(& wounded tranny)
'94 NAS D90 Coniston Green

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Date: 06 Jun 96 16:48:40 EDT
From: Richard Maynard <101723.414@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Split chargers

So Ian and Ian want to know about split chargers...

If you just want more energy available for starting, just wire the two in
parallel.  Assuming you're after something a little more ingenious, read on.
The usual set up is an 'auxiliary' battery to run things (stereo, lights, etc)
when the engine is stopped, but leaving the main battery fully charged to start
the engine in the morning.  To recharge the auxiliary battery, it just needs to
be connected to something at a higher potential (greater voltage) - like an
alternator.  The problem is that the main battery will also be at a higher
potential (because it hasn't been used) and so if the two are connected before
the alternator is running, then the main battery discharges into the auxiliary,
and you get two flat batteries.

As far as I know, there are (at least) two ways of avoiding this.  The one that
caravans use (or have done so in the past) is to connect the two batteries via
the normally open contacts on a relay.  There are two choices about where to
connect the coil of the relay.  The first is just to a feed which is live when
the ignition is on (assumes ignition on = engine running = alternator charging).
The second is the 'I' (or field) terminal (on older alternators, anyway).  This
is the terminal that is connected via the charging light to a 12V supply - when
the alternator isn't running, the terminal is at 0v and earths the charging
light, so it comes on.  With the alternator running, the terminal is at 12v, so
the light goes out.  Connect this terminal to your relay, and the auxiliary
battery will start charging when the alternator starts working.

The second approach uses a big lump of ally with some diodes in it.  The diodes
don't let current flow from the main battery into the auxiliary battery or vice
versa.  I have no experience of this system.

You can also get clever electronic gizmos that work out which battery needs
charging/charge the main battery first/run a fridge/make the tea/get the grit
out of your brake linings etc.

Hope thats been vaguely helpful!

Rich

1977 SIII 109 Safari

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: Re: Bronco vs. Defender
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:45:05 PDT

Rich:

Actually, I've always thought that the early Bronco kind of looks like a
Defender. I guess owning your D90 is like owning a brand new early Bronco,
except better.

There's a place around here called "BTB Products" that sells parts for FJ40
Land Cruisers as well as rebuild complete vehicles. The owner tells me that
some customers spend $30-$50k for a full restoration. My first reaction is,
heck, for that much money, why not save the trouble and just buy a Defender? 

P.S. You D90 is leaking already? I thought you've only done 18K miles.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:38:43 +1200
Subject: Re: Brakes

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: vandecar@nwlink.com (Van Decar)
Subject: Re: D90 Inoperative Radio

Need some help:
The factory installed radio in my 1994 D90 is acting up.  It is a "Clarion"
radio and is labeled "Made for Land Rover". 

 The LCD display is blank and there is no music from the speakers.  There is
power to the radio and speakers, I can hear the cassette mechanism and
popping from the speakers.  The radio lockout code is OK and the fuses are
good.  It is a "Clarion" radio and is labeled "Made for Land Rover".  

At the moment I am at Altus AFB, Oklahoma and it is three hours to the
nearest LR dealer and so I'm open to suggestions.  Don't need a paper weight
however.  ;) >Land-Rover-Owner List &  Land Rover Owner Daily Digest List.

Thanks and warm regards,

Chris Van Decar            Blue  '94 D90 #1057
vandecar@nwlink.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:32:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I have found that the easiest way to get the rubber gasket out of the 
oil housing is to use a dental pick.  The one I use is stabbed into the 
rubber and then flipped out.  It works fine.  
How do I subscribe to the real time list again? I don't like the digest 
mode and would like to switch back but I can't seem to get it to happen.
I started working on my gas tank after the thread on the senders.  I have 
both the diesel and the gas sender.  One thing that was strange was that 
when I checked the sender while out of the vehicle, it seemed to read 
backwards on the ohm meter.  Installed, it worked fine.  I cleaned up the 
tank and gave it a coat of rust preventer.  The kind that is a spray on 
rubber.  I cleaned the sender on the wire wheel and grounded it and now 
it works just like new.  Dave VE4PN

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:31:00 -0500
Subject: sucking air

Well. Just when I thought I might move on from my frame over adventure...

I had another sort of adventure on the way home from work. Over the span
of about 10 blocks of city driving I lost my brakes. First the fade, then bonk!
I'm hitting the floor. Uh Oh. 

I only had to run one red light in traffic before I could get it off the main
drag and on to quiet side roads (honk! honk! slight panic, thank god there are
other drivers who pay attention...).

Limp down side roads for a while. Then I ran out of gas.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 22:01:17 -0400
From: Richard Ruffer <rruffer@interserv.com>
Subject: Re: D90 Inoperative Radio

Chris Van Decar wrote:
> The LCD display is blank and there is no music from the speakers.  There is
> power to the radio and speakers, I can hear the cassette mechanism and
> popping from the speakers.  

I haven't experienced this problem with mine. Have you tried disconnecting the battery 
to see if it resets itself and asks for your code?

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 #634 (Blue)

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 21:26:35
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Sucking air II

I only had to run one red light in traffic before I could get it off the main
drag and on to quiet side roads (honk! honk! slight panic, thank god there 
are
other drivers who pay attention...).

If ever faced with a situation where your brakes fail, the old tried and true 
method of stopping is to simply turn off the engine while in gear. You'll 
stop real quick.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:28:28 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: July 4th Rover Rally

Dear All,
        One more time in case somebody missed it...
        DownEast/ July 4th Land Rover Rally, here in Mid-Coast Maine, info.
brochures with directions, times, events, places, campgrounds, etc. is
ready to go.
        Anyone interested in coming, especially to the Off Road Day, should
call or email me so they can get on the RSVP list, and get the info.

        July 5, Jeff Aronson Rovers North editor hosts a walking tour of
Vinalhaven island.
        July 6, ECR's Off Road Day. Closed course off road for all
abilities. Huge BBQ, Rovers North Off Road School will be there for
demonstrations and tips. Rover balancing obstacle, water, mud, rocks,
trees, etc. New longer course this year. 5.00 per head for the day. Course
has various obstacles and options from easy and non damaging for the
beginer to more difficult stuff for the seasoned, all are welcome from the
newest Disco to the oldest SI.
        July 7, DownEast VIII, Rover Rally at the Owl's head Transportation
Museum. Proving to be the largest gathering of Rovers in the East, 120 last
year, more alreay confirmed for this year! All types of Rovers, as well as
a great militray Air show, and military vehicle show as well. FREE to those
who arrive in Rovers.
        Common campground for Rover fans, dinners, lots more...
        Thanks hope to see you all there!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:35:10 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Bearing cross-overs

Dave McKain wrote:

>does anyone know of any bearing (engine/tranny/diff) cross
>reference numbers from Timken....

Bearings have now been standardized across many manufacturers, in that part 
numbers are actually dimensions (though which, I do not know).  Here are 
some older bearing numbers:

Inner wheel             Timkin 359s/4
Outer wheel             SKF K-11162
Swivel pin bottom       Timkin 21075
Swivel pin cup          Timkin 21212
Crankshaft (std)        AE B4324SA
                        Federal Mogul 6061m
Camshaft                AE C4044s
Con Rod                 Federal Mogul65190cp
                        AE M3275 SA
Thrust Washer           AE "Glacier" W2087L
Small End Bush          AE S4575L

As long as we're at it, here are some oil seal numbers

Differential            GACO m/l 175275 1/2
                        National 473236
Trans output            National 6828e
Hub                     National 410694

Cheers

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:19:03 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: LR for rent in the BVI

Hi all,
You may recall that a few months ago someone posted a request for info on 
renting a Land Rover in the Virgin Islands. I phoned around and located a rental 
SIII in Tortola (which is probably the only rental LR in the Caribbean) but 
never got any feedback. I'm going to be there next month. Please let me know how 
it worked.
Allan Smith
St. Lucia

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:55:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: July 4th Rover Rally, OVLR Birthday Party...

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Mike Smith wrote:

>         One more time in case somebody missed it...

	The Downeast is the largest LR event in North America.  This is
	largest in Canada.  It has traditionally been a Series event, and
	included aspects that are not mentioned, nor discussed in a PC
	environment (ie the Saab pull).  But FYI... :-)

	  Thirteenth Annual OVLR Birthday Party
	  (http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/upcoming.html)

Date:     June 21 - 23, 1996
Place:    Silver Lake -about sixty miles west-southwest of Ottawa
          (http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/bp_dir.htm for directions)

Cost:     $15.00 per person over 12 years old
     	  $8.00 per child aged 6 through 12
     	  Children under 6 are free

Gen'l:    This is the same site as last year's event.  There is
          room to camp "inland" on the property.  The property is
          located about half a mile from the Silver Lake Provincial
          Park, so there is a more civilised campground available
          for those who prefer showers.  For the more degenerate,
          there is also a motel very close by with both rooms and
          cabins for rent (1/8 of a mile).  Apparently fishing can
          be done in the Lake.  Bring your own canoe.

Who: This event is open to all Land Rover enthusiasts.  However,
     noting a rise in attendance levels over the past few years, we
     require pre-registration for this event.  We must have
     accurate counts of people so preparations can be made.  For
     safety, if pets must accompant you to the event they must
     remain tied on a short leash at all times.

Registration Deadline:   Your registration must be received by
                         June 10th in order to guarantee entrance
                         to the OVLR Birthday Party.  Form can be found at
			 http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/bp_preg.htm
		**	 Because of Canada Post, if you intend to
			 come up, send an email message to:
			 dkenner@emr.ca, or phone one of the numbers below

Note:     If you wish to camp at the nearby provincial park please
          contact the Ontario Provincial Parks Authority for Silver
          Lake for more information and reservations at (613) 268-
          2000.  If the park is full, the next closest is Sharbot
          Lake Provincial Park at (613) 335-2814,  They also handle
          reservations for Silver Lake.  The Silver Lake Motel
          adjoins the Birthday Party site.  For reservations call
          the Silver Lake Motel & Cottages at (613) 268-2511

General Schedule: 

Thursday: Keen people arrive...

Friday:   Participants arrive  There are no organised activities
          and everyone looks after their own meals.  The
          registration desk will be open after 4pm.  It wil be
          located near the kitchen trailer.  Please be sure to sign
          in and pick up the event package.

Saturday: Breakfast is the participant's responsibility 
          Registration continues.  Daparture for the first off-road
          is at 10 am.  All vehicles participating must pass
          accepted safety standards.  First aid kits and fire
          extinguishers are recommended in each vehicle.  Helmets
          are requested to be worn by children.  Children are not
          permitted on the Heavy Off-road course.  Lunch (hotdogs
          and hamburgers) will be provided by OVLR.  The afternoon
          will consist of another off-road and other activities. 
          The light off-road is expected to take about two hours to
          complete.  Dinner will be provided by OVLR (roast pork,
          potato pan fries and salad)  The day will close with a
          social evening.  get to know fellow Rover enthusiasts.  

Sunday:   Breakfast (eggs and toast) provided by OVLR.  Auctioning
          of Land Rover accessories.  OVLR clothing will be
          available for sale throughout the weekend.  Contact
          Christine Rose (613) 256-1598 for special orders.

For more information, call Jason Dowell at (819) 595-4593 or Jerry
Dowell at (819) 827-2932, or email me at dkenner@emr.ca

	For other LR vents on the east coast, there is the BSROA
	Fall Heritage Rally and the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally.
	Contact Jim Pappas and Sandy Grice respectively for each of these
	events (held in the Fall)

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:10:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: sucking air

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 harincar@internet.mdms.com wrote:

> Limp down side roads for a while. Then I ran out of gas.

	Call Dave Bobeck.  You are obviously down on your quota of sacrificial
	small furry mammels... :-)

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