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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 21:18:24 +0900
From: Alan Logue <Logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: June LROI Article

In the June LRO there is an article on page 94 about an RAC patrol Disco.
On page 97 it shows a photo of a small washing sink on the back door. The
name I can make out is TEAL.
Does anyone know an address to write or fax to to get the info on one
ofthese as this looks exactly what I want for my little expedition wagon.

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.
Alan
  |          |
  |          |				Alan Logue
 _|__________|_____			South Australia
| | |_____|  | |_____\_|_____|		Fitted For Radio
| [] 4MP COY []|     |        |  	Military Police
|   ____       | FFR | ____   |		Long Wheel Base
|__//  \\______|_____|//  \\__|		1978 Model

    \__/               \__/

No matter where you are bogged, the RED CAPS will find you!!!

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 21:18:30 +0900
From: Alan Logue <Logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Cold Start Switch.

I've just got back from a great trip crossing the Simpson Desert and found
no end of messages on Cold Start lights, Idiot lights etc.

I bought an ex Australian Army 6 cyl LWB which had the cold start sensor
blanked off as part of its original configuration.

I put it back on simply because its a great reminder to push the choke in
when the engine warms up, and not waste fuel and foul plugs.

The system simply uses a switch located on the choke cable, and a sensor (on
the 6 cyl, its at the front of the engine) which closes a contact to earth
when the engine reaches normal operating temp. With the choke pulled out,
the circuit is made and the orange light glows. When the choke is pushed in,
its breaks the circuit and the globe goes out. Simple really.

The sensor for the 6 and 4 is the same, but I don't know about the 8

Just thought I'd pass this on.
Alan.
  |          |
  |          |				Alan Logue
 _|__________|_____			South Australia
| |  _____   | |    \   _____		Ex Australian Army
| | |_____|  | |_____\_|_____|		Fitted For Radio
| [] 4MP COY []|     |        |  	Military Police
|   ____       | FFR | ____   |		Long Wheel Base
|__//  \\______|_____|//  \\__|		1978 Model
    \__/               \__/

No matter where you are bogged, the RED CAPS will find you!!!

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 08:05:47 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: sucking air

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 harincar@internet.mdms.com wrote:

> Limp down side roads for a while. Then I ran out of gas.
 Call Dave Bobeck.  You are obviously down on your quota of sacrificial
 small furry mammels... :-)

See my response on the list, please. No small mammals involved this time around.
Plenty of half baked misguided advice though...

Dave

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 08:01:38 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: sucking air

harincar@internet.mdms.com wrote:
> Well. Just when I thought I might move on from my frame over adventure...
> I had another sort of adventure on the way home from work. Over the span
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> of about 10 blocks of city driving I lost my brakes. First the fade, then bonk!
> I'm hitting the floor. Uh Oh.

Tim,

Why not turn off the engine, shift to a low gear and let the compression (what little
there is) stop you?

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 08:13:40 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETMAIL.ushmm.org>
Subject: sucking air

>>Well. Just when I thought I might move on from my frame over adventure...

>>I had another sort of adventure on the way home from work. Over the span
of about 10 blocks of city driving I lost my brakes. First the fade, then bonk!
I'm hitting the floor. Uh Oh. 

.....snip............

>>Limp down side roads for a while. Then I ran out of gas.

Im sorry Tim but I cant help chuckling to myself at the thought of you driving 
around aimlessly, unable to stop 'til you run out of fuel...you could've just 
shut 'er off ya know...:)

Did you check the level in the Master Cylinder? It sounds like you have a BIG 
leak somewhere. When my clutch went out it was the same way. I was in NJ at my 
'rents house and had convinced my mom to ride in the Rover for an early 
afternoon shopping jaunt. On the way there I was having difficulty downshifting.
On the way back I was having difficulty upshifting. That night i did a spot of 
offroading on the powerline clearcuts a few miles away and got stuck. By the 
time i got out there was NO clutch whatsoever. A simple bleed and fill was the 
remedy, and then weekly topping off of the M/C. Iwould suggest to you from 
previous experience that if there is a leak you probably will not be able to see
it. You may however be able to hear it if you listen near all the junctions 
while somebody pumps the pedal frantically. (you can show them how to do this:))

First ask yourself this question: "Did I replace all of my brake cylinders when 
I did my rebuild?"

If the answer is no then you may want to check for leaking cylinders. The best 
way to do this is to clamp off the various flex hoses one by one until you feel 
an increase in pedal resistance. When (if) you do, then the cylinder you just 
clamped off is probably the culprit. (Could be the flex hose conection 
downstream of the clamp too, so check that it's *rock* tight.) M/C must be full 
to effectively perform this test. If the M/C is full and you still don't get 
pressure back then it could be the seals on the M/C. Is that the noe that has to
be pressure bled? If so then you can probably bleed it for test purposes by 
lossening the "out" hose just ever so slightly so that it lets a little fluid 
out, then tighten before the pedal is released. (wear your glasses, don't want 
an eyeful)

Then ask yourself this next question:

"Did I get the funny little copper sealing washers for the flex hoses?"

If the answer is no, then you need to place an order. 

Keep checking for leaks and shine flashlight into the top of the pedal box. You 
might see fluid on the bulkhead that has leaked out of the M/C. Look for 
evidence of leakage around the wheel cylinders as well. A leaking cylinder can 
often still work, but little by little the fluid gets out until you have zip for
brakes. With the single system that means there is no more pressure at ll in the
system. With dual sytem you would still be able to stop *somewhat*.

I gotta jet, bro, good luck...sheesh, you got it rough, pal :)

Dave

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Recommended Mechanic
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 08:30:00 DST

Jeff Berg's helpful and reasonably priced mechanic has been added to the BB 
list under the heading recommended mechanic. Anyone else on the list who has 
similar experiences let us know as it will help fill gaps in the list 
coverage. Is there anyone on the list who would like to volunteer to convert 
it to a simple spreadsheet or database format? If so please let me know.

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:40:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Carawagon

does anyone know if Carawagon are still trading,
and if so,  know their address / tel / fax ?

Lloyd

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 08:54:19 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Progress at last...

it's about time...

I finally am making some progress on my frame over. After a great start, getting
the whole thing stripped down in  a day, the poor girl languished for about five
weeks while I concentrated on finding a new place to live, and then spent a week
and then some with my *estranged* SO. This past weekend saw Bill Adams and 
myself fishing dropped tools out of the bilge of his sailboat while installing 
the freshly painted motor. This of course made me sick, so I was out of 
comission Monday. Fortunatley I had the good fortune of having a *new* rear axle
casing appear in my backyard, so I took the opportunity Monday of stripping all 
the gunk off it. Tuesday I had to take another day off to recuperate, so i 
brought it over to the garage and set about swapping everything over from the 
old axle...So one day and two nights of work and I've got one axle rebuilt (the 
front one's ok), and both painted. Also painted all my new shackles and spring 
mounting plates and u bolts, and installed all the polybushes 'cept for the rear
springs. BTW I got the Old Man Emu polybushes from BP and they're pretty neat 
looking as well as really easy to put in, but I wonder how good theyre going to 
be since the metal tube in the center doesnt *quite* make it out to the end of 
the bush. There's about 3/32" of poly that sticks out...hmm. Any ideas? Also the
ones in the springs don't quite go in all the way, I suspect this has something 
to do with the fact that they are old springs.

So this weekend should see the new frame up on wheels again, and hopefully my 
bulkhead will return from the welder soon, it was supposed to be this weekend, 
but his nanny died so he's got to look after his little ones...

I've got a spare right side fuel tank that a friend was going to toss, that 
could be repaired, is it possible to use it for a left side aux. tank? It seems 
like you'd only have to cut some holes in the bodywork and get a spare filler 
neck. I guess the hole for the filler tube on the tank would be located 
differently and would require a longer hose but aside from that am I missing 
anyhting? (Besides the obvious :))

Cheers

Dave "I promise not to turn this into a miniseries" B.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:07:46 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: LWB brakes on the back of a SWB

I wouldn't put larger brakes on the back than the front as this makes
it more likely to lock the rear wheels before the front.

Shortly after this happens you may wish you had bigger rear view
mirrors :-)

Cheers, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x5209     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: Testing/waving & bad D90 FI ECU
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 09:12:00 CDT

Anything's possible...  I have had people driving Hondas or other such   
vehicle that yell "Nice Truck" or "Nice Jeep" while driving by.  I just   
wave back.  Yet, this morning, I passed a '95 Black D90, a '95 RR   
classic, and a Discovery (year?) and didn't get a return wave from any of   
them.  And then, I pulled into the parking lot at work and a guy in a new   
RX-7 stopped behind me and tells me that he has a D90 too with a winch   
that he "loves to beat the shit out of".  In the midst of all this   
recognition/non-recognition, my Fuel Injector ECU became temporarily   
unconscious on the way to work and my engine died.  I eventually got it   
started, but while trying to start it, I got no response from the gas   
pedal.

Talk about a mixed-emotion morning.

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767, currently un-named (but thinking of naming it Lucas)  

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:23:33 -0400
Subject: OD Demise

Jeff Berg's OD expired, and in his writing about it, I think I remember
reading he's going to rebuild it. When mine went last year, I replaced only
the 'male' output spline gear from the tranny to the 'female' OD input
collar. During disassembly/evaluation, I fit a only a new tranny output gear
with "bluing" on it to the old OD input, and after examination with a 3D
geological microscope (at 36X), could not justify the expense of a new main
shaft for the OD unit, which I believe is the only way to get the OD input
(female) splines. I now positively, absolutely carry the spares for OD
removal, however. On the otherhand, it's gone almost 20K since then, and
all's well. I'm curious- what was the condition of the 'anti-chafing'
lubricant upon your disassembly? I think the reason for mine's demise was a
bunch of 'snatch extractions' of derelict vehicles (which weren't even mine),
general tranny wear/slop (i.e. 'hammering'), and possibly, though it was most
likely a coincidence, the addition of synthetic oil ("thin" -might have
washed the anti-scuff stuff?).
One more thing- I ordered both 'lockers' for the castellated tranny output
shaft. (no books here, so no numbers). One was for the Fairey OD and the
other for standard application. I could detect *no* difference between the
two, other than the price, which coincidentally is better than the price of a
Sam Smith Oatmeal Stout!
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 06:25:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Split chargers

On 06 Jun 96, Richard Maynard <101723.414@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>The second approach uses a big lump of ally with some diodes in it.  The diodes
>don't let current flow from the main battery into the auxiliary battery or vice
>versa.  I have no experience of this system.

This is the system used on many  boats and motorhomes and the same as I have on 
my Rover.  You can get such a "battery isolator" at any marine supply or camper 
supply store.  The advantage here is simplicity:  you don't have to worry about 
different switches or anything like that.  Both batteries get charged by the 
alternator, but each battery supplies different parts of the electrical 
system...i.e. one for starting, the other for various accessories.  A word of 
caution, make sure that both systems are separate (no lights wired to both 
batteries) otherwise you will be draining both batteries equally an you won't 
have power available to start the engine.

Hope this helps....

Regards,
Eric
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:29:38 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Brakes

 David William Scott writes:
>Subject: Brakes
>Is there any problem with running the 11 inch 109 brakes on the back of an
>88 and the regular size on the front?

I think that this would make the rear wheels lock up under heavy braking. A
better way is to put LWB brakes (backing plate, cylinders, shoes, drum etc)
on the front of an 88 and leave the rear set alone. I think this was covered
in a recent LRW mag article.

 Tom
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Thomas D.I. Stevenson                          gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Fouling Project
University Marine Biological Station,      Tel 01475 530581
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland.       Fax 01475 530601
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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:30:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, David Place wrote:
> I have found that the easiest way to get the rubber gasket out of the 
> oil housing is to use a dental pick.  The one I use is stabbed into the 

the last 2-3 times i have gone to the dentist, i have managed to
bum 4-5 old, used (but sanitized in a sealed
pack) dental picks off the guy.  he asks me what i
use them for and i try to answer with my mouth full of tools.
with insurance picking up all but about $10 and me getting the
free tools, it *almost* makes it ok.  they are *so* handy, and
if i break one, no big deal -- just wait 6 months.

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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
         "...you are what you drive..."
- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental)  - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)                   - 87 RR      (wife's)
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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:34:56 -0500
Subject: re: sucking air

> Tim,

> Why not turn off the engine, shift to a low gear and let the compression 
> (what little there is) stop you?

I thought of this, *after* I was through the intersection. :-( I mean, its
not like I don't use similar technique while driving in snow and ice -
downshifting instead of using the brake, etc. Up to that point, I had
*some* (very small) amount of brake, and it was also just one of those
deals where the light cycled at *exactly* the wrong instant. I won't lie
and say that there wasn't any panic working here, but I did have enough 
sence to try and warn the people who's light just changed.

My reservoir was *dry*, so I likely had brakes until I ran out of fluid,
and the M/C filled with air. Then I had problems... So I have a leak
someplace. Of course, it was raining, so everything was all wet anyway.

I replaced the two adjusters on the rear wheels last weekend. Thats
going to be the first place I look (rear wheel cylinders) to see if
I somehow hosed something up. Wheel cylinders are all new, so are all
the lines. I rebuilt the M/C, and there was no fluid anywhere on the
bulkhead or by the pedals. Clutch half of the reservior was full.

Grrrrr.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:08:04 -0700
Subject: Waving

Just a quick experience....

This morning, driving to work....passed a black Disco going opposite direction. 
Out of some faint hope, I flashed the lights.....all of a sudden, everything on 
the Disco lights up....driving lights, fogs, everything.  Either I got a wave 
from a Disco (my preferred assumption) or Old Man Lucas was recognizing his 
bretheren.  Any Disco owners with electrical fires aroun Bedford, NY this 
morning? ;)

Rgds,
Eric
_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 10:15:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Brakes

>>I think that this would make the rear wheels lock up under heavy braking. A
better way is to put LWB brakes (backing plate, cylinders, shoes, drum etc)
on the front of an 88 and leave the rear set alone. I think this was covered
in a recent LRW mag article.

Wouldn't that still leave things out of balance? You still wouldn't want the 
front brakes locking up too early either. Seems to me the best bet would be to 
use 4 109 rear backing plates and shoes with the 88 size cylinders, or use the 
109 standard set up with the twin wheel cylinders on the front. Why just change 
one axle? Also while your at it, doesn't the 109 have a larger bore M/C?

Dave

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  7 Jun 96 10:12:14 EDT
Subject: How much of a bear is it to replace doorposts?

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Brakes
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 15:31:27 BST

> >>I think that this would make the rear wheels lock up under heavy braking. A
> better way is to put LWB brakes (backing plate, cylinders, shoes, drum etc)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> 109 standard set up with the twin wheel cylinders on the front. Why just change 
> one axle? Also while your at it, doesn't the 109 have a larger bore M/C?

I think it was the March or April issue of LRW/LRO. I found the article useful,
as it gave an idea of what I'd find when I took my (original 109") brakes
apart!

I understood the main change was from single cylinder to double cylinder 109",
to give more braking power. This became standard later on (Late SIII??).
The 109" rear brakes are single cylinder IIRC (ie. the change in drum diameter
will make a small change, but pressure due to the cylinders will be approx. the
same).

The article was about converting a Lightweight.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109" FFR)

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: BVI rental
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 10:46:14 EDT

Allan Smith wrote:

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:19:03 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: LR for rent in the BVI

Hi all,
You may recall that a few months ago someone posted a request for info on 
renting a Land Rover in the Virgin Islands. I phoned around and located a rental 
SIII in Tortola (which is probably the only rental LR in the Caribbean) but 
never got any feedback. I'm going to be there next month. Please let me know how 
it worked.
Allan Smith
St. Lucia

Hey Allan-'twas I you gave the advice to.  Just got back from that wonderful
trip this week, and had been planning to write the main list about it....still
catching up on real work, though.

The rover we rented was indeed the one you located for us.  In the event that
you lost the info, it was from International Car Rental, tel 1 809 494 2516.
Nice folks, really, but you know, it seemed they all were down that way.   

The rig was a 4 cylinder 90 of mid eighties vintage.  At first I was a tad
disappointed that it wasn't a series rig, preferably of the bottle opener
at the ready variety, but it did at least have that oh so familiar 4 cylinder
ring (with an exhaust leak for amplification) and, better still, it had
*brakes*.  As you probably know, the roads there are pretty hairey-twisty 
turny and steep as all hell-fun to drive, but maybe not with 4 drums and a 
single master.....

It wasn't a complete roach, by any means.  A tad rusted on the (painted) body
cappings (one was shot), the usual faded paint, but solid underneath and no
major dents.  Exhaust was "schibed", but that only made for more enjoyment
while tooling up the hills.  Only significant mechanical problem was a leaking
clutch master cylinder.  Held for us through our stay on Tortola (just 4 days
there) but was going in the end.  You might ask them for a bottle of 
fluid should you take the rental and perhaps a 7/16" spanner as well.....
Oh, and timing or carbueration may have been slightly off as it gave lots
of pops and sputtering going downhill off throttle.

A bit about cost.  You can certainly rent cheaper.  Lots.  We spoke with some
folks who rented a Heep (or a Suzuki or somesuch) who paid something on the
order of $25/day.  We paid $50, and that was with a discount.  (Rates are 
something like $57/day, $150/3 days, and there is a break at a week, methinks.)
That does not include insurance, which they will only waive if you have
MC or Visa GOLD.  Typical rental rates for most other smaller Jap 4WD rigs
were something like $36/day.  However, if you want to go "in style" (YMMV!)
and better still, if you want to get some respect from other Rover drivers
on the island, then go for it.

As I recall, someone also suggested renting a Morris Moke.  Only one on the
island, however (we did see it), according to some locals.  Plenty of those
Grundel (sp?) things that are not that much unlike a VW thing (even sounded
like they had a horizonally opposed engine in them, but I never looked
closely).  Also saw a derilict Canadian made Mini Vee-single cylinder (250cc?)
2 stroke powered rig that looked fun as hell to drive. 

Oh, other Rovers.  Lots of 'em.  Mostly SIII 109 pickups.  All over the place.  
Typically decked out with cab tops, and most all the soft tops we saw were
sans sides or rear-nice way to go in that environment.  Don't think we saw
a single 109 or 110 5-door, but there were a few high capacity PUs about.
Very few 88s....met a chap, Elmoe Scutliffe, with a '68 SIIa, military
framed (it seemed-no rear PTO, removable X-member), who had one and chatted for
an hour or so about it.  He'd had it since '72, and it sported one of the
older plates on the island (VI 434, I think it was).  His dad had one before
him and spread the bug....not unlike myself, actually.  Also, in the firehouse
is a 110 fire tender, and we got to see it in action. 

If you do go, I strongly reccommend that you check out a new eatery in Cane
Garden Bay.  OK,OK, that's a major touristy spot, for sure, but it *is*
off season so it really isn't that bad by any means.  Besides, there's a
cane distillery there-so you *have* to go!  The place is called "Netty's
Diner", and it's a no-frills inside/outside come druel as you like kinda
place.  Netty, who owns the place and keeps her husband at work in the
"kitchen" (which does exist, formally, but is supplemented by the grill
out behind the place), is a wonderfully kind woman who makes a point of
stopping in at each and every table for a chat.  They have the absolute
best BBQ chicken or ribs (I had the ribs-twice) on earth.  She ain't talkin'
when it comes to the formula, though.......

Ah, and one other thing.  If you ask politely (and are willing to go by their
schedule) you may be able to take the Rover to Vigin Gorda for about what you'd
pay for the people ferry plus a cab ride or two once there.  Well worth the
trip, I'd say, especially if you are into snorkeling.....the Baths and Devil's
Bay, on the south side of that island, are (although populated with tourists)
about the best place to snorkle going.  You cannot take it to Cooper Island, 
though.....got no roads there, anyway, but a boat trip there for a stay or
just for dinner or even just a drink is highly reccommended.  (Say hey to the
staff for me if you go.)

Best regards, and thanks much for the tip,
rd/nige
dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com

ps replies direct, as I'm no longer on the list due to firewall problems.....

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Date: 7 Jun 1996 07:49:56 -0700
From: "Bob Frey" <frey@smtp.pvr.com>
Subject: Re(2): D90 Inoperative Radio

 ------ From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net, Thu, Jun 6, 1996 =
------ 

 The LCD display is blank and there is no music from the speakers.  There =
is
power to the radio and speakers, I can hear the cassette mechanism and
popping from the speakers.  The radio lockout code is OK and the fuses =
are
good.  It is a "Clarion" radio and is labeled "Made for Land Rover". 

I had a similar problem with my D-90 radio. Moisture had corroded the =
connector assembly between the faceplate/control panel and the radio =
chassis. At first it was intermittant and I could get the radio to =
operate by pressing or pulling gently on the faceplate around the left =
side of the cassette compartment. Eventually I dissassembled the radio, =
cleaned all internal connectors and applied a lubricating contact =
cleaner. I don't recommend doing this yourself unless you've got some =
electronics assembly/disassembly savvy as a screw up will void the =
warranty.

Bob Frey
D-90 "Red" #859

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 08:28:57 -0400
From: cmw@tiac.net (cmw)
Subject: Mail problems

Hi all.

I've had some ISP problems for the last two weeks.  I haven't gotten
anything from anyone -if anyone sent anything please resend- Thanks.

Chris
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 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886            
  |___\_|_]__]  '69 109" RHDwOD 2.6 Dormobile       
    (o)    (o)   -I don't need bearings anymore, just an engine.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri,  7 Jun 96 10:05:35 MDT
From: William Dan Terry <terry@frii.com>
Subject: Re. Some question about servicing

One of my LR-related afflictions are Lotuses. I have to use the standard 
jack just to get the car high enough to put the floor jack under. And then 
jackstand points are minimal. The trick I found was to drive over the 
front yard drainage ditch (surburbia) long-wise. Unless a fault line 
opened up beneath me, I had little concern that the car would fall on me. 
Of course, this doesn't do a lot for working around the wheels, but center 
work was much nicer without the worry.

Peace, William

"Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."

____________W__i__l__l__i__a__m_____D__a__n_____T__e__r__r__y______________

  How do we acquire wisdom along with all these shiny things? (David Brin)

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  Director of Technology, NetPubs International
  Software Designer - MINERVA Development Team, Booz, Allen & Hamilton

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:26:20 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: LR parts for sale

All, 

A friend has some parts off a abandoned 67 SIIA 88 Rebuild project.  All parts 
are in NH

The frame is okay, needs a rear cross member and some patching. 

Truck Cab										$200

Tailgate with all hardware						$150

Roof with lift-up (split) Tailgate					$150

Koidak Mark 4 heater							$100

Front grille / Breakfast							$50 

Good engine 60,000 can be seem running		$300
Gearbox / Transfer box							$150 

Or both for 										$400 

Axles and diffs									$50 ea 	 

all body panels etc								depends. 

Or if you want the thing,  Entire vehicle			$1000 

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From: "Magpantay, Larry" <lmagpant@med1.medsch.ucla.edu>
Subject: FW: Tranny trouble?
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 09:32:00 PDT

Hi All,
   Last time I used my Ser III off roading was last fall and I noticed that 
the tranny's layshaft bearing was making lots of noises especially during 
deceleration. Since then I hardly use my truck, sometimes on weekends to run 
errands.  Decided to hold off in getting it fixed more for $$$ reason. The 5 
yr old battery keeps on dying for not being used often. Last Sun., I decided 
to go to Sears for a Die Hard battery. But before that, I noticed that too 
much black smoke was coming out of the tailpipe while warming up the engine. 
 I pulled the spark plugs out only to find out that it's so black from 
running too rich. Changed the plugs, adjusted the carb mixture, checked the 
timing and it was running great again.
   Decided to trek to Sears about 4 miles away and was happy to hear the 
engine running so well. But I noticed that the tranny is making louder 
noises even while slowly accelerating. Half-way to my destination, the noise 
got louder, some clunking and bit more whining noise. Then the rover slowed 
down drastically almost to a stop and when I tried to accelerate some more, 
it felt like the hand brake was on. Finally I had to stop to the side  and 
let it idle for a while. Decided to drive back home so I turned around & 
slowly crept home, driving on 1st & 3rd cause it wouldn't go into 2nd gear 
anymore. I was mad and sad for my truck :-(. Parked the truck in front, 
packed my gym bag, and went to the gym with my other car.
   Since I got displaced from my house cause of the Northridge quake, I 
don't have any garage to fix it. Called this guy Pat in Palmdale so he 
agreed to open the box and see how much damage I've caused. This weekend, 
I'll have it towed flatbed to Palmdale, which is about 70-80 miles from 
where I live.
   Did I totally damage the tranny for driving it home? How could the tranny 
go bad so soon when Scotty up north overhauled it 5 yrs ago and I put in 
less than 15,000 miles on it? Should I swap to a Ser IIA tranny to exchange 
the convenience of Ser III Synchro-mesh for the strength of a IIA? Any 
opinions and advise would be appreciated.

Larry Magpantay
e-mail: lmagpant@med1.medsch.ucla.edu
'73 Ser III 88" Pastel Green(faded)
'94 NAS D90 Coniston Green #484 

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:54:25 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Brakes

You wrote: 
>Wouldn't that still leave things out of balance? You still wouldn't want the 
>front brakes locking up too early either. Seems to me the best bet would be to 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>one axle? Also while your at it, doesn't the 109 have a larger bore M/C?
>Dave
Well yes and no.  
The braking power wouldn't be matched, but the front would be much less likely to lock up than 
the rear.  Momentum is transferred forward when braking ("porpoising").  This puts a greater 
force on the front brakes than the rear.  This is part of the reason some vehicles have front 
discs and rear drums or some motorcycles have dual front discs and single rears.  So mismatched 
brake sizes are OK from the physics point of view.  The dynamics of the brake lines and fluid 
volumes are another matter though. 

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 16:08:58 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: LR parts for sale

Tailgate with all hardware      $150

Roof with lift-up (split) Tailgate     $150

I want the tailgate and the "lift up tailgate". If I have to take the roof with 
it then fine. Who are you and how can I reach you? I'll be in NH soon to pick up
16" wheels from somebody, are you the same person? Call me at home please if I 
get 'em, as i am leaving now and wont see the email again till monday...

thanks

Dave Bobeck
dbobeck@ushmm.org
202 488-6588 M-F 7-4
703 528 8727 the rest of the time

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 16:16:05 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Brakes

Well yes and no.  
The braking power wouldn't be matched, but the front would be much less likely
to lock up than 
the rear.  Momentum is transferred forward when braking ("porpoising").  This
puts a greater 
force on the front brakes than the rear.  This is part of the reason some
vehicles have front 
discs and rear drums...snip...

I thought that had to with the fact that there's more weight up front. I was 
just thinking that while you do want more braking power up front, it would still
be possible to upset the balance somewhat. So what would happen anyway. I guess 
it would be like not having any brakes at all in the rear?

Dave "just wondering out loud" B.
SIII 88 with standard brakes, stops "on a BIG dime" 

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:01:18 -0500
Subject: re: brakes

Brakes are for wimps.

:-)
\

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@dk-online.dk>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:59:48 +0000
Subject: Re: TECTOL

> Has anyone out there used a product called TECTOL (I hope the spelling's
> right) to rustproof the chassis and underbody area?
> Can you tell me whether it's good, bad or indifferent?

Tectyl actually. Made by Valvoline.

If used on rusty surfaces, emove rust and pre-treat with Tectyl-ML.

Used it two years ago on a new tank. Tank is now as rusty as the old 
one.

YMMV

Waxoyl seems to be preferred by Landy owners.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:05:06 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: brakes

>>Brakes are for wimps.

:-)

Yeah, wimps with no facial lacerations. 

Dave "touche" B.

\

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:01:04 -0500
Subject: Re:  Re[2]: brakes

> Yeah, wimps with no facial lacerations.

Battle Scars.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:06:16 PST
Subject: Re: Recommended Mechanic
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R. Whitehead)

Trevor,

Another recommended mechanic on the western side of the Rockies is as
follows

Marty Davis
4311 E Pollack
Phoenix, AZ

(602) 437-9491

He has the largest yard of Series Is this side of the Rockies. Has
1/2acre lot full of Land Rovers and Land Rover parts, as well a few
Landies in his back yard. He is reasonable and meticulous. Has been
working with Land Rovers and assorted British vehicles all of his
driving life.

Cheers

Chris Whitehead

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:55:52 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Progress at last...

Dave Bobeck's big day off....

>the freshly painted motor. This of course made me sick, so I was out of 
>comission Monday.
....etc,etc,etc.....

>I've got a spare right side fuel tank that a friend was going to toss, that 
>could be repaired, is it possible to use it for a left side aux. tank? 
-

Yup... you need to get an outrigger for the front of the tank and have that
properly welded to the frame. Since the outrigger is basically a "C" shaped
affair, anyone with a bit of welding skill could probably fabricate one
using the right side outrigger as an example. Then, you need to cut the
proper holes and you'll need a filler neck with assorted hoses and hardware.
The last thing you need is some sort of valve to switch from one tank to the
other. The Rover valve is an expensive beast here in the States.. so you can
try mail order from the UK or look for a US made substitute. My '71 has dual
tanks and the PO used a Ford valve to switch tanks. Haven't a clue as to the
part number...

Cheers
Mike

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Date: 	Fri, 07 Jun 1996 18:15:21 -0700
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Back from UK

Well I'm back from a month or so in the UK. Dropped by the ARC National Rally.
It was a little disappointing. Just alot of mucking around a farmers field.
Had a
good talk with the guy from Zues gear conversions. I also toured the factory
at Solihull. If you ever get a chance to take it, do. It was very good. 
73, Chris

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Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 21:35:39
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Island hopping in the BVI

	Can't say much about the landbound aspects of Tortola or Virgin Gorda save for 
the one night spent there before boarding a chartered sailboat for a week of 
cruising. This was several years ago before the place was really "discovered" and the 
transportation situation on the islands was far from modern. There were few  
passenger cars and those were small and usually thrashed British steel such as Minis 
and Morrises. Obviously the Japanese invasion hadn't taken place and the Moke was de 
rigeur for crossing the mountain tops. Took a cab that was a Ford Granada (real 
junk). Can't forget landing on Beef in that DC-9. Wow.
	Hearing about the Baths and other landmarks brought back fond memories of that 
island group, but I have moved on to the undiscovered places. I hate crossing anchor 
lines at night especially when I was there first.
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: daviscar@darius.concentric.net.
Subject: calling charles wolfe 

C. R. Wolfe M.D.				Emergency Medicine
Setters & Grouse				Duluth Clinic
New Independence, MN				Duluth, MN

Where are you you do not answer you mail.

Does anyone out there know him?

Has he been captured by the Master for his next regenaration?
I still would like the questions about his 109 that is for sale answerd.

Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches

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Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 21:53:43
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Bobeck's mal de mer

	I have to give Dave a public thanks for helping me with the boat last 
weekend. He came up with the solution to the problem of the stuck cutless 
bearing in the shaft log that gave so much grief. Using a bit of boatyard 
improvisation and scrounging, he made a tool out of a slightly curved chunk 
of 1" stainless stanchion rail (I didn't ask where he got it, I heard the 
sawzall going and then he showed up with this thing). This proved to be the 
real deal, as a few sharp raps with Mr. 2-pounder sent the old mess flying 
astern. This required Dave to sit in the engine bay and I fear it was simply 
too much for his constitution to be within such proximity to 30 years of 
collected bilge goo. Undeniably this is true devotion to the task at hand 
when personal safety and health are blatantly disregarded. I applaud his 
efforts and quick thinking in saving the day at great personal expense. I 
hope to repay him in kind with some effort to rebuild what we rendered 
asunder that weekend in April.
	BTW, be very glad you were not born a crab cake and had the misfortune 
to meet Mr. Bobeck in any professional capacity.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: 7 Jun 96 21:43:40 -0500
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Date: 7 Jun 96 22:53:54 -0500
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Date: 8 Jun 96 00:35:44 -0500
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 23:07:31 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Waving

I had the strangest thing happen last week to.  I took the 109 out on a
5ish mile run, got waved at by two Range Rovers then will going through the
parking lot someone looked at my car and shouted out "Great Range Rover!"

First time another Rover owner waved in probably 600 Rover passings.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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