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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: V8 and unleaded fuel
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 20:40:07 +0930 (CST)

 Leon H. Akong writes:

> to be uncommon in other parts of the world, but around here, of the 
> half dozen or so Stage 1s  are all 88s.  About three of these are 
> canvas top (including my mine), and most of the other are air-conditioned.

OK I'm Intrigued, are you sure that these are stage 1's ? 

The Land-rover parts and workshop manuals for the stage 1 never mention 
an 88" the offical factory description for the stage 1 was series "III 
109 V8".  The idea of A/con is intriguing too, is this factory air???  
Still it's near the end of stage 1 production who knows.

Do they have the LT95 full time 4x4 4spd g/box transfer, drum brakes, 
leaf springs, etc.  I'm actually wondering if they are some sort of 
hybrid or conversion.  A real 88" stage one would be neat though. :-)

> un-leaded fuel with this Rover 3528  V8 engine??

The Stage 1 V8 was 8.13 CR and will run quite happily on 91 ron unleaded 
fuel, even lower if you wish/need.  They were designed for UK 2 star, 
which i believe is/was around 89-91 ron (Andy, Mike ???)

I use 89-91 ron ULP in my stage 1 all the time, doesnt seem to mind...

Most other Rover V8's however have a higher CR, so you would need to 
adjust the timing accordingly.

Hardcastle states that all post ( uuhhmm mid - late 70's,  Jan help...) 
rover V8's can use ULP, but there is a rumour/suggestion/belief that 
rover didnt get the valve seat metallurgy absolutely worked out until 
84-85 or there abouts.

The CR should be stamped on the block near the engine number. ( LHS, near 
dipstick tube and below exhaust manifold, should be easy to check.

hope this is of some help.

I'd really like to know if these are real stage 1 88's or just 
hybrid/conversions...

cheers

Daryl (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:32:06 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: V8 and unleaded fuel

>fuel, even lower if you wish/need.  They were designed for UK 2 star,
>which i believe is/was around 89-91 ron (Andy, Mike ???)

We reckon about 95 octane.Aint never heard of ron Darryl,who is he?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:07:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Subject: Re: Rover military paint

On Thu, 23 May 1996, Karl Kurz wrote:

> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:02:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
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> Boston before anyone noticed.
>   Karl Kurz
	Machiasport, Maine
 
_____________________________________________________________
1986 Audi Quattro  --  sensible cruising unit 
1964 Mk8 SWB British military radio lorry  --  quaint
1961 MB Unimog 404s cargo  --  for the serious work
-------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: OD propshaft
Date: Fri, 24 May 96 09:26:00 DST

David Cockey wrote
I remember ads for and articles about such devices in the 70's and early 
80's
when fuel prices were high. Don't know if any are still available. They were
simple two speed boxes which went between the trans and prop shaft.  A major
drawback for a LR, particullarly a 88 is that anything added behind the
trans/transfer case would shorten the rear prop shaft. I suspect the 
U-joints
would complain in short order. Also as I recall the prices were not cheap,
probably no less than a Superwinch OD.

What I had in mind was a prop shaft that incorporated the OD as part of the 
shaft between the UJs with a reaction strut to the frame .

Like this:

UJ           ODrive         UJ
UJ          ODrive          UJ
UJshaft ODrive shaftUJ
UJ          ODrive          UJ

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:39:06 -0500
Subject: Re: RR Tire size

On 22 May 96 at 10:41, Walter C. Swain wrote:

 
> On Wed, 22 May 1996, Andy Woodward wrote:
> > >My 88 Rangerover needs new tires -- does anyone know of a suitable
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> Rgds,
> Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 

I have to agree about the Wranglers.  I had a sudden flat on the rear of my 
JGC due to what I think was 
a cut sidewall while doing about 50 mph on a rough dirt road.  By the time 
I could stop the sidewall on one side had completely disappeared and the 
tire looked like the remains of a grass skirt after a luau.  I took out my 
Swiss Army knife and easily cut it off the rim, and there was only enough sidewall 
and cord there to hold in air and nothing else.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:38:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Capstan Winch?

On Fri, 24 May 1996, Frank Bokhorst wrote:

> A capstan winch seems just the right piece of obsolete technology
> to decorate the front of my 1957 Series I, but how obsolete is it?

	Concept is still used on boats...

> I have found one to buy, but the owner (honest fellow that he is)
> tells me it is not suitable for dragging yourself out of the mud.

	Your basic Fairey is rated for 4,000 pounds thereabouts.

> It has a shear-pin that snaps too easily under such loads, and it
> is a nightmare to replace the shear-pin.  Even with two spare pins,
> how useful is this winch?  Any comments, or experiences to tell of?

	Couple around here.  They seem to work, but you do blow away
	the occassional shear pin.  The bigger problem here is finding
	manilla or hemp rope.  You really do not want to use plastic
	types of rope.

> Perhaps the answer is to avoid steel cable and use only stretchy 
> rope?

	You don't use steel cable on one of these winches...

	Rgds,

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:02:44 +0000 (WET)
From: Peter Venters <venters@atm.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Frank (bokkie@uctvms.uct.ac.za) asks about shear pins in "obsolete" capstan 
winches on the front of Series 1 s...

The capstan winch which I had on mine (1955 series 1) for a while was a
Aeroparts device; I dont know if the shear pins are in the same place on
the Fairey device which is more common. There are two shear pins on mine; 
one is part of the drive shaft to the winch from the starter dog, one is
part of the capastan itself. The first one is the weakest one of the two; 
it is something like a 1/4inch diameter brass pin with the diameter
reduced to about half that at each end. They are not too difficult to
replace, so long as you get the outer and inner parts of the shaft (which
the pins connect to operate the winch) lined up, and so long as you can
get at the underneath of the winch (ie just in front of the front chassis
cross member). I found it helpful to line up the holes using a steel
version of the shear pin which I made up. If you make such a pin, it will
also allow you to hand crank the engine without risking breaking the shear
pin; it should not be used for winching of course :-)

I was able to quite happily winch 1.5 ton objects (guess which) up steep
1:2 or 1:1 slopes, with a thick nylon rope. The only times I broke a 
shear pin was either hand cranking before I made the steel pin, or when 
attempting to bash the pin in before the holes were lined up. 

I did find it rather tricky to operate the winch.  It was very easy to
melt the rope, easy to get one turn overrunning another and virtually
impossible to slip the rope on the capstan when loaded. All this may well
have been due to my incompetence, so I dont know whether it is generic to
that kind of winch. The rather flimsy nature of the engage mechanism on
the Aeroparts winch was also a bit of a problem.  All this led to some
quite exciting moments, but that may not be what you had in mind :-)

Um...after that, I don't suppose anyone wants an Aeroparts winch going 
cheap ?! (oh yes - and its near Oxford, UK   :-)  )

All the best,

Peter.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:03:54 +0000
Subject: Series speedos

To return to a much talked-about topic, I have an answer to the age-old 
question "Speedos, what do I do to get mine to read right?"

The series speedos are calibrated to read xx revolutions to a mile, as 
determined from the rear ouput shaft.

If you look at the front of a speedo (the white-on-black face) there is 
some writing across the bottom, ending in a number.

The number is the number of revolutions of the output shaft to one mile.

I've seen 1536, 1404 & 1375.

The question for you is: if you change your tyres from 205's to 750's, 
do you want a higher or lower number of revolutions to a mile?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:00:06 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Series speedos

>The question for you is: if you change your tyres from 205's to 750's,
>do you want a higher or lower number of revolutions to a mile?
Pleese teecher....lower,if the tyres are bigger.The old express locos
would travel much further in one revolution of the big driving wheels
than the equivalent goods locos with little ones.
But then,you're too young to remember that.....:-)
cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:55:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: your mail

On Thu, 23 May 1996, Boehme, Doug wrote:

> down so I decided to turn on the heater.  I moved the fan switch from off   

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> caused this and should I be concerned about it happening in the future?   
> correctly.)

My first guess would be sabotage from a still pissed Jeep owner.
I'd consider checking for strange ticking sounds.
your line of  "since I wasn't stranded by this..." was funny  Good thing 
in your case.

Don't be such a putz.

Russ W.

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:35:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Roof access Ladder for sale

On Thu, 23 May 1996, ASFCO@aol.com wrote:
>      I have a spare Galvanized Roof Ladder for sale....
>If you're interested..send me an e-mail
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Steve Bradke    72 S lll 88
>                       68 S lla 88
Sure, what are you asking?  I built my rack myself but I haven't had the time to 
fabricate a ladder yet.

Regards,
Eric

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OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:35:39 -0700
Subject: Re: V8 and unleaded fuel

On 24 May 96, "Leon H. Akong" <akongj@tstt.net.tt> wrote:
>--Cyberdog-AltBoundary-004E227C

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>located in 
>	http://www.city.net/countries/trinidad_and_tobago/

I've bee using unleaded in my v8 engine of the same vintage and I've had no 
problems over the past 50,000 miles or so.  I beleive (correct me if I'm wrong 
someone) that all Rover built v8 can run unleaded with no ill effects.

BTW....a Stage 1 88" (implying factory built)....not a custom built deal?  I'd 
be interested in seeing a picture.

Eric

_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:29:38 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@comox.island.net>
Subject: Re: More engine trouble...

Richard Marsden wrote:
 
> If its not the distributor, any suggestions?

If its been out could it have been reinstalled one tooth out?

Greg

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: MOT on 18 month old 110 CSW 10 seater
Date: Fri, 24 May 96 16:37:58 BST

>          Help !
>          This is my first mail to the list so forgive any stupid questions.

Don't. I'm always posting them, and I'm interested in the answer...
(I have about 4/5 diferent seating numberages (as it were) for my vehicle)

Richard
(ex-Gurkha SIII FFR 109 with random working cylinders and seating capacity)

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:13:23 -0500
Subject: flames...

Wow, we haven't had this good of a flame war since the list split into 
new models vs. series stuff. And hey, I didn't even start this one...

...

Seems I let all the smoke out of my voltage regulator. Now I'm getting too
much power. But, for the first time my lights have all been nice and bright!

Tim
---\
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: More engine trouble...
Date: Fri, 24 May 96 17:05:39 BST

> Richard Marsden wrote:
> > If its not the distributor, any suggestions?
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> If its been out could it have been reinstalled one tooth out?
> Greg

The distributor itself hasn't come out - just the head. My brother decided
to do a lot of this early stuff (point adjustment,etc). Checking inside
the distrubutor is a job for the weekend. (Wet tonight, but it is a long
weekend as its Whitsun).

Shame I don't have the engine running, got an electric fan to fit (as well
as a fuel tank!).

Richard "Gawd what is a distributor - oh well I'll find out tomorrow..."
Marsden 

(ex-Gurkha SIII FFR with special Rover Patent Random-Cylinder Engine)

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:20:25 GMT
From: Andy Purser <apurs@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: More engine trouble...

At 10:48 AM 5/24/96 +0000, you wrote:

 Serious trouble starting and staying going.
>I did managed to get it going for a short while, and I heard a ticking
>from the general direction of the distributor.
Dear Sir, 
     I recently had to replace a distributor for the same purpose. My rover
would not keep the timing set, it would change a little daily. Finally one
day, about 4 miles from home it started to backfire, lost power, and dropped
the road speed down to 15MPH. I turned around and headed for home. Once in
my driveway she died for good, not to crank again! I found that with the
rotor cap off, I could grab the rotor arm and "wiggle" it from side to side
and up and down. A used distributor, reset of the timing and I was back on
the road. NOTE: I had to use a long narrow brush and a magnet to get the
metal shavings out of the engine block. It turns out the Pilot Bearing was
the culprit after over 200,000 miles.

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:11:09 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Fw: Land Rover Images

In case anyone missed this...

---- Forwarded from David Downing <76163.1442@compuserve.com>: 
Announcing... New mexico DeTours Web Site.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/New_Mexico_DeTours

Specializing in safari styled daytours to backcountry destinations
in vintage Land Rover Series vehicles, New Mexico DeTours wil begin
operations in early 1997.  

[...snip]
---- End of forwarded message ----

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:11:01 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: flames...

harincar@internet.mdms.com wrote:
> Seems I let all the smoke out of my voltage regulator. Now I'm getting too
> much power. But, for the first time my lights have all been nice and bright!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> harincar@mooregs.com
> '66 IIa 88 SW

I'm curious, what WAS the final problem there?  I can't figure out what would cause 
your symptoms.

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: Robot10@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:58:33 -0400
Subject: First experience

Folks, I recently had the pleasure of riding in and even driving the vehicle
I want, a 67 109. 

I must say, the experience of riding in this vehicle on the typical Chicago
highway (we have two seasons, winter and road repair) was exactly like
sticking your head into the engine compartment of a volkswagon beetle
(running burning and leaking oil) whilst being beaten (none too gently) on
the small of the back with a shovel.

Driving the vehicle was all that and more, as the steering, transmission,
overdrive and clutch all operated with the flawless efficiency of the post
office.

I was shaken by this brief trip, but certainly not overly surprised.
Apparently these are the endearing qualities of the average rover...

Certainly I was disenchanted of any notion of purchasing and using this
vehicle as a daily driver, as my commute (round trip) is in excess of 110
miles per day. I don’t have sufficient insurance coverage to deal with the
burden of all those trips to the chiropractor.

The owner of this sturdy beast referred to it simply as “bitch”. I asked him
if he was online here, but he assured me in no uncertain terms that he
considered computers effeminate. About ten minutes into my test drive one
front wheel began to vibrate with the intention of disengaging itself. We
stopped and the owner crawled under the vehicle with a pair of crescent
wrenches. (both of which he apparently used as hammers) After much cursing
and beating we returned to the road. 

Even after all this, gentle folk, I still want one of these vehicles, but I
will probably save it for special occasions, like causing overdue pregnant
women to deliver. I have my eye on a 97 Bronco Expedition. Child safety and
placement of baby seats is also a concern of mine, I never heard any response
to the question about those matters posted earlier.

Robot 10@AOL.com

“The British drink warm beer because Lucas also makes refrigeration
components”

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:07:19 -0400
Subject: Re: First experience

get a Defender or Discovery....

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:18:55 -0400
From: Charles Edward Kingsbury <ckingsbu@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hello everyone!  I've been lurking here for a few weeks now and enjoy all
the L-R talk.  I normally live in Kenya but have been in the States for the
last two years finishing up my Ph.D.  With the freeing up of the Kenyan
economy there has been a reduction of import duties and sales tax on used
vehicles.  I have therefore considered purchasing a reconditioned L-R in UK
and having it shipped to Kenya.  I have also heard that there is quite an
industry in Dubai in the importing and then re-exporting of used vehicles.  

What I would like help with making contacts with businesses or individuals
in UK [or Dubai for that matter] that are in the business of refurbishing
and exporting L-Rs.  AVON LANDROVER SPECIALIST near Bristol, England seem to
be the right type of company for this.  THEY NEVER ANSWER THEIR E-MAIL.
I've sent them 5 messages.  Does anyone know this company?  Do you have any
recommendations concerning them?  They seem to be the parent company of an
Atlanta, GA company called RENEWED TRADITIONS.  I asked for information from
them but only got standard information about current vehicles they have for
sale in the States.  

What I actually need is a LWB 5-door L-R.  It must have a 4 cyc engine,
either petrol or diesel.  Any other suggestions or advice you might have
would be appreciated.

Chip Kingsbury
303-04 Pennell Circle
Tallahassee, FL  32310
e-mail:  ckingsbu@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
phone:  (904) 576-4072
fax:    (904) 644-1595

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Date: Fri, 24 May 96 13:42:01 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: First experience

Robot 10@aol.com wrote:

 

>> riding in this vehicle  was exactly likesticking your head into the engine 
compartment of a volkswagon beetle(running burning and leaking oil) whilst being
beaten (none too gently) on the small of the back with a shovel.

You sound like a sincere masochist...you'll do just fine 

>>the steering, transmission,overdrive and clutch all operated with the flawless
efficiency of the postoffice.
Apparently these are the endearing qualities of the average rover...

I beg to differ... my 88, despite it's rusted out underbelly, was mechanically 
well maintined and was a pleasure to drive. Everything worked fine, with solid 
pedal pressure on the brakes and clutch, and nice tight steering. Some of the 
systems weren't so hot when I got 'er, but all was fairly easy to rectify. When 
things started to go (brakes and clutch, mostly) I found it became a bit of a 
chore sometimes. Mostly it bothered me because I knew how easily they could be 
repaired/maintained. The endearing qualities I think are (among others)the 
ruggedness, the noise, the leaks, the bumps, the looks(woo-woo, sexy) and the 
satisfaction of knowing you are driving a superb vehicle that can go anywhere. I
think Land-Rovers are made to be driven, not to sit around in a state of 
disrepair and only get used for trips around the block. 

>>Certainly I was disenchanted of any notion of purchasing and using this
vehicle as a daily driver,

I would be too. It's feasible though if it's structurally sound and the price is
right.

>> as my commute (round trip) is in excess of 110
miles per day. I don’t have sufficient insurance coverage to deal with the
burden of all those trips to the chiropractor.

You couldn't afford it either, with that kind of petrol bill :)

>>The owner of this sturdy beast referred to it simply as “bitch”. I asked him
if he was online here, but he assured me in no uncertain terms that he
considered computers effeminate.

Sounds like he's got a problem with women in general.

>> one front wheel began to vibrate with the intention of disengaging itself. We
stopped and the owner crawled under the vehicle with a pair of crescent
wrenches.After much cursing and beating we returned to the road. 

Happened on mine too. 30 hours and one swivel ball rebuild later, I was back on 
the road... wish I knew all it needed was a couple of whacks with a crescent 
hammer... er..wrench.

>>Even after all this, gentle folk, I still want one of these vehicles, but I
will probably save it for special occasions, like causing overdue pregnant
women to deliver.

Never know when a Landy can be put to use...the classic workhorse.

>> I have my eye on a 97 Bronco Expedition. Child safety and
placement of baby seats is also a concern of mine, I never heard any response
to the question about those matters posted earlier.

My guess is that it's not really happening. I've been trying to get my brother 
to let me take my nephew offroading. He says nine months is too young :)
Well, he'll be a bit older when I'm done the rebuild...

Cheers
Dave "Too busy to work on my Rover, wah" B.
Arlingotn VA

PS- Trevor Easton please email me your address so I can give you new BB list 
info...

>>The British drink warm beer because Lucas also makes refrigeration
components”

so why do Americans drink warm beer?

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:15:50 -0500
Subject: voltage

Nate inquires...

> I'm curious, what WAS the final problem there?  I can't figure out 
> what would cause your symptoms.

My symptoms are caused by an untrained electrition and Lucas electrics.
A most dangerious combination :-)

Really, though, I'm sure its all still fallout from my Small 
Electrical File (tm). When the ignition grounded through the heater
lead, (and here I'm a little fuzzy) the supply lead in the voltage
regualtor (A) burned through as well.

If you look at the back of the VR, there are metal bands that go from
the spade connectors to the workings of the VR itself. On mine, the
band burned through. 

I imagine that at the point just before the band separated, the guts
of the VR were getting nice and cooked. I'd taken it on two short
test drives since I repaired the band, and on the third I noticed
the ammeter pegging at +30 when I'm at high revs (hence my nice,
bright lights). Normal is about +15 or so after you first start
up, then settling to about +2 or so.

The question that remains in my mind is "was it not normal before the 
third test drive, and I didn't notice it?" which leads to "is 
something else still wrong thats going to burn up the new one after
I install it?"

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:00:32 -0700
From: jimmyp@netcom.com (jimmy patrick)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>Does anyone know this company?  Do you have any
>recommendations concerning them?  They seem to be the parent company of an
>Atlanta, GA company called RENEWED TRADITIONS.  I asked for information from
>them but only got standard information about current vehicles they have for
>sale in the States.

I went to AVON LAND ROVER SPECIALIST while I was living in England. They
had a nice redone 63 88' for sale that I was considering. I think they have
the facilities to fix up the vehicles and an abundance of spares to use in
fixing them up. The price was a bit dear, but not out of line for one that
had been fixed-up a bit. I didn't buy that one I looked at because it was
the first one I checked (can't go buying the first one you see can you??)

The vehicles he had on his lot were not restored, but rather just cleaned
up quite a bit. They seem to know their stuff and might be a good place to
start. It would be interesting to know if anyone has bought one from them
and could provide us with more info....

cheers,

jimmy

--
Jimmy Patrick
jimmyp@netcom.com
                                                 

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 21:19:57 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Used Land Rover

Dear Olafur,

>Im considering to bye me a 1965 LR - all i know about him is that he has
>always been well looked after - The thing is the engine has NOT been turned
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>look out for, for example: 
>i)   Could the engine be *grown* stuck??

Definitely could be. However, if there was oil in the engine and it was not 
too old, the stuck pistons could be unstuck using pressurized air. Anyway, I 
would take a well-charged battery and try to start the engine; if it turns, 
stuck pistons are not a problem. Change the oil as soon as possible, and 
these engines are not suitable for synthetic oil, they need a comparatively 
thick mineral oil.

>ii)  Isn=B4t likely that hoses and all rubber would be crumbled (whatever
>concept used!!!)

Rubber ages, especially if exposed to sunlight. If the car was in a garage, 
that should not be too much of a problem, either. You can check by squeezing 
radiator hoses with your fingers - if they return to round, things are not 
too bad. Most of these hoses are easy and (relatively) cheap to replace, 
anyway. You will probably need new tyres, too. 

>iii) brakes

Brake pistons might be stuck after all this time. The clutch cylinder might 
have a similar problem. To check the brakes when the vehicle can not be 
driven is not so easy. You might take one wheel after the other off, remove 
the brake drum and have somebody else step on the brake; both pistons on 
each wheel should work. If only one works, the other one might be repaired 
(a repair set is fairly cheap). A less reliable, but easier method is to 
jack up one wheel at a time, with the transfer box in neutral, spin the 
wheel as fast as possible and have somebody else step on the brake. The 
wehhel should stop immediately. Also make sure the bleed screws are there, 
and are not corroded to the cylinders, that is very common and makes it 
necessary to replace the cylinder, which is expensive. The brake lines might 
be corroded (depending on how new the brake fluid was when the car was put 
into storage), and I would replace all rubber brake hoses.

>iv)  all the other things!!!

The most important consideration would be the frame and the bulkhead (the 
steel part between the front seats and the engine). If they are badly 
damaged by rust, it would be very expensive and time-consuming to 
repair/replace them. This is especially important in Iceland, where 
everybody lives close to the sea; salt is very corrosive. The door posts 
might be corroded, too, and the window channels.

Basically, you will know that a thirty year old vehicle is generally 
speaking more of a hobby than something really reliable for everyday use. I 
don't know what the LR situation in Iceland is like, I don't remember having 
seen a lot of them there, but parts will be expensive and maybe not 
available locally. Since you are not a member of the EU and you probably 
still have your 300 % duty on cars and parts, maintaining your car might get 
a little dificult.

>One thing more!! - HOW MUCH petrol should an original petrol engine in a car
>like this us??

Depending on how and where you drive, and depending on the shape the engine 
and the carburettor is in, between 15 and 25 litres per 100 km - but the 
lowest-grade petrol will do. Still expensive, if I remember correctly.

Looking forward to maybe seeing you next year on our third Iceland vacation 
- bless and Servus
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 19:36:06 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: DownEast Rally July

Dear All,
        Been flooded with emails about the July 4th weekend Off Road day,
and DownEast Rally here in Maine, July 5-8.
        A detailed list of the different days events will be posted in the
digest soon. A reprint of that same information will be coming out in the
next Rovers North Newsletter, due out very soon. These will give you the
general info. on events and where and when.
        I think this is the largest event in the US, so you better not miss
it! Well over 115 Rovers last year, more this year.
        Basic run down...
who... All Rovers and their owners, Series I to newest Range Rover, even
Rover cars.
where...Mid coast Maine, Rockland and Camden area.
when...Scheduled events are from the 5th to 8th of July, 1996.
        Island walking tour, Fri. 5th
        Off Road Day, Sat. 6th
        Owl's Head Musuem Rover show, and Militray Air show, Sun 7th
        Other things happen on the 8th, to be decided yet.
why...because we like you
what do you have to do...
        1. SHOW UP
        2. If you plan to attend the Off Road Day and BBQ, you MUST
pre-register by calling ECR at 207.594.8086, or email me at
ecrover@midcoast.com. This is a must so we can get a good head count for
food and things like that. You can pay at the gate on Sat., but there will
be a list at the gate, of those who have pre-registered, so do it!
        3. If you want general information, such as where to stay, what is
the designated *Rover* campground, where will the group dinner be, etc.
etc. Call 207.789.5303

        If needed I will post directions, ways around heavy traffic routes
into Maine, and even send out a flyer about the details of the rally. But
all that will be at your request, so as not to waste the time of others.
        So let me know what you need, and I'll try and get it to you.

        I hope to see and meet a lot of you at the Rally, and put a Rover,
and a face, to your email address.
        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:16:31 -0400
Subject: Re: OD propshaft

I had forgotten how inventive Trevor can be:

>What I had in mind was a prop shaft that incorporated the OD as part of the 
>shaft between the UJs with a reaction strut to the frame .

IF the OD mechanism was light enough and a suitable torque reaction system
could be devised then it would work. Two potential pitfalls. Adding weight in
the middle of a rotating shaft can lead to the shaft whipping and self
desctructing. Also, the torque reaction system would need to be more than a
simple strut. A single strut would introduce a side load onto the shaft when
reacting the torque. BTW, the torque which would need to be reacted would be
the difference between the input and output torque. This is a clever idea
though.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

 

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

On Fri, 24 May 1996, jimmy patrick wrote:

> >Does anyone know this company?  Do you have any
> >recommendations concerning them?  They seem to be the parent company of an
> >Atlanta, GA company called RENEWED TRADITIONS.  I asked for information from
> >them but only got standard information about current vehicles they have for
> >sale in the States.

> I went to AVON LAND ROVER SPECIALIST while I was living in England. They
> had a nice redone 63 88' for sale that I was considering. I think they have
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> had been fixed-up a bit. I didn't buy that one I looked at because it was
> the first one I checked (can't go buying the first one you see can you??)
 
> The vehicles he had on his lot were not restored, but rather just cleaned
>up quite a bit. They seem to know their stuff and might be a good place to
>start. It would be interesting to know if anyone has bought one from them
> and could provide us with more info....
 
There was a fellow on the list down in Texas.  The name Law comes to mind. 
I contacted him after he first posted a few questions and it turned out
that he had bought a 1969 109 SW sight unseen from AVON and had it shipped
to Houston.  When he went to pick it up, it had a V8 of some kind in it,
but nobody at customs noticed anything out of the ordinary.  He seemed to
have all kinds of problems, and I noticed a few months ago that he was
offering a 1969 109 for sale.  Haven't heard anything since.  I suspect 
that they will benefit from having somebody at this end keeping an eye on 
quality control.

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network |                               *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
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Date: Fri, 24 May 96 14:03:56 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: voltage

Tim H. writes:

>>The question that remains in my mind is "is something else still wrong thats 
going to burn up the new one after I install it?"

Well, of course, Tim. 

Silly, silly, man...:)

Dave "What is normal for these things?" B.
SIII SWB. "Five easy pieces"

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 20:13:50 -0500
From: rlyeager@io.com (Lee Yeager)
Subject: Re: 95 Disco Dash Replacements

At 2:52 PM 5/23/96, LRO Shop (North America) wrote:>To change subscription
write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>The same thing happened to me not once, but twice!  In fairness the second
>one did not peel.  It just wouldn't snug down with result that it creaked
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>control.  LR needs it big time and as a Brit I can say that.
>Good luck with it.

I unfortunatley did not see the original correspondence that prompted the
above reply, so I am not really sure that I have the same problem, but let
me describe it.  In sitting at a stop light the other day in my wife's 95
Discovery, I could'nt help but notice that the leading edge of the
dashboard (where it almost meets the windshield) seemed to be curling in a
couple of different spots.  In asking her (my wife, that is)
what she had done to "screw up the truck's dash", she explained to me that
she had noticed it herself and had wondered if it was supposed to be that
way or not.  Well I have not had an opportunity to view another unit to
compare.  My question to you is  "does this sound like the same problem
outlined above" and if so, is the advice the same, that being "leave it
alone, it's probably not worth the trouble".  I suppose if it never got any
worse it would'nt be a problem, but if it curls up like one of those old
mosquito coils, then I really will have a problem.

I would appreciate any help on this, please respond to either
rlyeager@io.com , or rly@io.com

thanks

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