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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 09:11:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Defender 90 Oil Pump

When I first got my 95 NA Defender 90 I took it off road and had leak in my
oil pump as told by the dealer who replaced it free of charge under warranty.
 Now it appears that I have the same leak when I drive hard or long periods
it is leaking from a bolt above and removed from the oil filter and drips
onto the transfer case.  Anybody else know about this problem ?

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 06:41:49 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Problem with direction lights on my LR 88 D

At 10:13 AM 5/19/96 -0700, Olivier MULLER wrote:

>Unfortunately, direction lights do not work any more. After a complete
>control of lights and dashboard, it seems to me that everything is OK. I
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>Can someone give me more details on the place where should be this
>blink-central and what kind of test I should do to find the bug ?

Open up the centre instrurment panel.  You will find a small metal cylinder
with wires connected at one end.  If it is the original style, it has a tab
at the top and is screwed into the bulkhead.  If you remove it before you
get a new one, make a drawing of the bottom connectors and note which
colour wire goes to which connector.  When you replace it, make sure the
connectors are tight and clean.

You really Do want a factory manual.  Good luck getting your directional
lights working again.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 09:48:55 -0400
Subject: Re. Tyres

Chris Stevens asked for recommendations for tires to fit his new 16" wheels.
I suppose it depends on which 16" wheels and to which use you'll put them.
 The wheels seem to have originally come in two widths # 231601PM for
6.50X16" tires and #NRC7578PM for the wider 7.50X16".  To confound matters
the metric system is now apparently used to size tires.  I purchased the
NRC7578PM wheels from Rovers North some time ago.  Mark at RN recommended
235X85R16 Cooper Discover Radials or BF Goodrich All Terrain or BF Goodrich
Mud Terrain tires.   Since my primary use is on paved roads I opted for
Michelin LTX M/S tires in 225X75R16.  To my surprize they have worked very
nicely in the mud of the north Georgia mountains.  I still have a lot to
learn  about off road driving but understand that sometimes narrower tires do
better in such conditions.   I'm happy with them, your mileage may vary...
erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Ga.
'73 Ser. III  88"

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 06:09:22 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Problem with direction lights on my LR 88 D

At 10:13 AM 5/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Unfortunately, direction lights do not work any more. After a complete 
>control of lights and dashboard, it seems to me that everything is OK. I 
>think the problem is coming from the blink-central which should be in the 
>motor. 

I think you mean the flasher unit.  Mine was located behind the instrument
panel and was a simple pull-old-one-out-plug-new-one-in job.  The units are
cheap (I bought my replacement for less than $5 at a local auto parts store.)

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:48:48 GMT
From: Andy Purser <apurs@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Re. Tyres

Hello,
     In reference to the request for information on 16" tires here is a
brand I haven't heard anyone mention. While searching for BF Goodrich Mud
Terrian tires, I located BRIDGESTONE MUD DUELERS in P235/75 at about $100.00
cheaper! I bought a set and found them to be very aggressive off-road and
very QUIET on road. I really don't know who they will compare with the BF
Goodrich in the longrun ( I've always preferred the latter) but I am very
happy with the price vs. service thus far. Just food for thought! 
A. Purser
1973 Ser. III 88" P'up

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@dk-online.dk>
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:16:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Problem with direction lights on my LR 88 D

>From:             Olivier MULLER <o.muller@micronet.fr>

> (Note : I still have not the technical book. Is there a way to get it, or 
> a part of it, on the web ?)

Not the original shop manual. 

Bookspeed might be a good place to look for out of print shop
manuals. (Old fashioned paper versions).

Mail: bookspeed@bookspeed.win-uk.net
WWW: http://www.bookspeed.co.uk./cars/

Price could be 15-35 pounds plus 6 pounds shipping.

If they don't have it, try to contact a french LR-dealer who's 
been in the market for some time. Ask him how much he wants
for running his own manual through the copier. You might even
get a french version that way.

>You really Do want a factory manual. 
>TeriAnn

Really!

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: houniet@mail.xs4all.nl
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:26:11 +0000
Subject: Moaning sound.

Hi techies,
I'm having problems with a '69 SIIa 109:
It makes a moaning sound when I come to a standstil, I first thought 
it was the torsion bar on the front, but it's also started doing it 
when standing still.
I lost some cooling liquid recently due to a leak, and when i 
refilled it it moaned quite a lot. It's very difficult to trace the 
exact origin of the sound, but it seems to be coming from somewhere 
left front.
Is my landy just very tired, or is it complaning about a lack of 
use???
Who can help?
Thanks in advance,
floris houniet.

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:46:20 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Direction lights

Olivier wrote:
>Perhaps do you know that now, in France, we have to pass a technical 
>control for our cars every two years if the car is older than 4 years. 
>This control becomes more and more severe, taking in account all the 
>lights, pollution, brakes, shock-absorber, etc...

Lucky guys - we have them every year, no matter how old the vehicle is!

>I have now to pass it for my LR 88 D who stays in the park for a long 
>time without running.

When you say 88 D, is that a Diesel? Could not be a Defender, but all the 
Series vehicles came in 88". Or is 88 the year?

>Unfortunately, direction lights do not work any more. After a complete 
>control of lights and dashboard, it seems to me that everything is OK. I 
>think the problem is coming from the blink-central which should be in the 
>motor. 

On my S I, it is a little blue box that sits under the dash. Maybe taking it 
out and shaking it helps. However, this should be an extremely cheap job at 
your local garage (unless they are called the French equivalent of Skinner 
like that shipping agent we heard about).

>(Note : I still have not the technical book. Is there a way to get it, or 
>a part of it, on the web ?)

Easy to get from a bookshop in the UK, or from the LRO bookshop. If you let 
us know details about your vehicle, I could email you the necessary info.

Good luck, and may it be cheap
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: 19 May 96 14:26:11 EDT
From: Richard Maynard <101723.414@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Lights

>Any other thoughts on the lights?

In my experience, problems with the lights are usually down to poor earth
connections.  It gets particularly bad with LRs because of their owners' habit
of driving them through big puddles.  The lights get water in them, and
corrosion sets in.  This can be a problem especially with the rear lights - its
worth checking the rubber seals to see if they leak too badly.  (Another place
for the smoke to leak out...)

Cheers,        ASCII art goes here ->

Rich          109 SIII Station Wagon
               London, England.

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:50:21 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Moaning sound.

At 07:26 PM 5/19/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi techies,
>I'm having problems with a '69 SIIa 109:
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>left front.
>Is my landy just very tired, or is it complaning about a lack of 
>use???

I can see it now, "Exorcist (Series) IIA".

Assuming the problem is not spiritual, how about some more information.
Does the sound appear when the vehicle is cold and has not been used, right
after the vehicle is started, or only after the vehicle is nice and warmed
up?  Does the sound come when the vehicle is absolutely stationary with the
engine off, or is some combination of engine running/vehicle moving
necessary?  Is the sound accompanied by any escaping coolant?  Is the sound
associated with any use of accessories (heater, etc.)?

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From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 00:42:07 +0000
Subject: Re: Moaning sound.

Here's some more info:
I've been collecting some data on the moaning sound, but just as I 
think that I've ruled out when it does and doesn't happen, it happens 
when it shouldn't.
Anyway, usually it happens when:
I come to a standstill, that's what got me thinking it might be the 
torsion bar settling, but it also happens standing absoloutly still, 
and more often with the engine cold.
It does only happen with the engine running so my last bet is the 
thermostat vibrating as it opens....??? 
I don't have servo assisted brakes, so it can't be that, i suppose it 
could have something to do with the waterpump, but why would it moan 
when having come to a standstill.
Maybe I accidently put holy water into my devil beset landy... That 
would explain all the smoke ...
Maybe I can make a recording and post it ! (I'll first play it 
backwards to check for demonic messages!)
Floris 'twilight zone' Houniet.
Ye old 109 SIIa Ambulance. 

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Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:25:07 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Air suspension on a Defender?

At 23:30 18/05/96 +0200, jean wrote:

>I am considering fitting an air suspension system instead of the existing
>set. The standard weight of the car has increased with about 300 kilos and
>when going on trips I add another 2-300 kilos.

>I have the following reasons for the conversion:
>- Comfort. Since the car can carry 1100 kilos, the spring suspension is
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>- Bottom clearance. I would like to be in control of that. (As low as
>possible / as high as needed)

>Do these arguments make any sense?
>Is there anything else I should think of?
>Is there a brand that performs exceptionally well under heavy duty
>circumstances?
>Anything else?

I have a 1985 110 3.9L diesel which has done 270000 km, many of them on 
rough Australian outback "roads".

As for shock absorbers, I've had a pretty good run out of Bilsteins,
more than 150000 km so far.  The Bilstein people say that the seals are
lubricated by a deliberate slight oil weep.  Mine do have slight oil
leaks, so I recently took them off for testing and they are still good,
so with new bushes they went back on.  In Australia they can be rebuilt
for ~half of new cost when they do wear out.

110's (and RR's) used to have a self energised Boge Hydramat self levelling
system for the rear suspension which allowed softer rear springs to be used
while still maintaining load carrying ability.  Is this still an option?

If you're worried about body roll, in Australia and I'm sure 
around the North Sea coast in UK, there are firms who engineer quick 
detachable sway bars.  If they aren't detachable they reduce wheel travel
(droop) off road.

I'm not sure of the air suspension you're talking about, but I do
know of systems with an air bladder which sits inside the spring coil
which are pretty harmless.  Other basic systems use inflatable shock
absorbers which in extreme conditions can cause breakages of the 
shock mountings due to higher loads.

Regards

James Carley
Sydney, Australia
'85 110

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 21:50:17 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: 29 mpg carb

A slight exaggeration.  But I documented 27 mpg on one run.  Filled the tank 
in Virginia Beach (standard 12 gal tank).  Ran 'til I ran out - west of 
Lynchburg.  27 mpg.  No lie.  Averaged around 22 mpg.  (That was *before 
roof racks and external sun visor, though.)

This was the Holley 2494 that was originally fitted to IH Scouts from '61 to 
'64.  After then, an automatic choke was fitted.  So basically, you are 
looking for something that went out of production in '64.

I was *quite* pleased with that little carb.  Adapting it to the Rover 
involved elongating the two bolt holes on the base by 1/64" and fitting a 
small arm to lenghten the throttle arm.  I'd still be using it today, but 
when the Rover was taken off the road for a long rebuild in '84, I left it 
full of fuel.  Three years later, it was one lump of gunge.  Cheers

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: A good saturday
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 23:12:08 -0400
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Sounds like fun!

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From: 	Ron Franklin[SMTP:oldhaven@biddeford.com]
Sent: 	Saturday, May 18, 1996 9:18 PM
Subject: 	A good saturday

I just got back from having a great day driving my 88 into some really 
beautiful places around Merrymeeting Bay here in Maine to pick up trash 
which volunteers had gathered and bagged along the shore as part of a 
cleanup.  Some of the areas were two wheel drive accessible, but most weren't, and my LR was the 
vehicle which could get in and close to the caches of junk.  Some of the 
other people had $wd vehicles which might have made it but it would be hard 
to throw castoff muddy tires into a new Blazer.  I should have taken a 
picture of it with an old bedspring and two tractor trailer tires tied to the 
roof.

The highlight of the day For the Rover was lashing the rear hitch to a 
tree and pulling a dump truck out of a mud hole not 
once but three times as it made trips to pick up parts of an old building 
we removed.  Those Koenig PTO winches really work, and the engine didn't 
even lug down under the strain.  (I was watching around my raised hood 
though) 

 The highlight of the day for me was watching an eagle in its nest, (from 
a proper distance) out on a point  we drove to for some trash 
collecting, while beyond, Spring was starting to green up the tidal marsh of the Bay.

I really enjoy the opportunity to use these things for the hard work they 
were built for, and the fact that I drive a  31 year old, cranky, cosmetically 
challenged vehicle which hates Interstate highways doesn't matter at all 
today.

Rgds,
Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Misc
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 23:05:28 -0400
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I notice that new clubs seem to be springing up at a dizzying rate! Any =
Land Rover/Rover club - old or new - please contact me (Jim) at:

BSROA
P.O. Box 342
North Scituate, MA 02060

To arrange for a newsletter exchange. We'd love to hear from fellow LROs =
in different parts of the country and globe. We currently exchange with =
two U.S. clubs, one Canadian, one Dutch, one German. We want more!

Day one of BSROA May HEY DAYS event was spent on the beach at =
Provincetown. A beautiful day - I definitely have a *REDNECK!* My D90 is =
now sporting a beautiful new burgandy-colored Bimini top made from the =
finest German canvas - product of Chris Laws of Badger Coachworks - =
really nice, Chris!

The Nat'l Seashore *inspector* flunked Al Kelly in his Rioja Red 4.6HSE! =
They would not issue him a permit due to the low-profile tires! Al plans =
on equipping the 4.6 with stock 4.0 rims and some (Trac Edge?) decent =
off-road rubber.

We performed two kinetic recoveries at the *squeeze play* spot on the =
beach. This is a narrow strip of beach which presents a nice sidehill in =
deep wet sand and has about a foot dropoff to boot. The right gear and =
proper throttle is critical here or you WILL bog.

Leaving the beach proper was interesting. All of the Rovers made it up =
the hill with little or no trouble... this yahoo (earlier seen careening =
all over the beach at about twice the speed limit) was trying to get up =
the hill in his GC Laredo and bogging with roostertails each time! Yours =
truly and M. Hughes loafed by him and on up the hill in the D90s --- =
SEVERAL times. Even backing down the hill and circling him. That guy was =
not very happy! Heck, we'll offer help to any brand when they're in =
trouble - `cause most of us aren't too proud to accept help from any =
brand when we're in trouble! But this guy knew all the answers. I don't =
even think he was in lo-box! That poor engine didn't sound too good. =
This truck was brand new! So he finally gets up the alternate hill with =
a better slope. At the top he gets out and I went up to tell him (ha!) =
*way to go!* He says, "well, my new Dodge truck woulda gone right up =
that hill... this thing's my wife's!* Yeah, sure. I couldn't believe =
this guy. He'll probably trade it in soon for the next fad item... =
Scary.

Tomorrow at Heritage Plantation for static vehicle display and videos =
shown in the auto museum roundel.

Pilgrimage Tour group leaves for U.K./ARC rally on Wednesday.
Thursday, 23 May: Tour of Dunsfold Land Rover Museum.
Friday - Sunday 24-26 May: ARC International Rally
Monday - Thursday 27-30 May: Lost Wales tour with David Bowyer Off Road.

Full report upon return.

cheers
Jim
`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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From: 	Lloyd Purser[SMTP:apurs@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: 	Friday, May 17, 1996 10:16 PM
Subject: 	Beach Land Rover & New club in North Carolina

Hello,
     Has anyone out there heard of BEACH LAND ROVER, a dealership past =
or
present. I have a 1973 88" Series III which displays this logo, but with =
no
town or state. The Land Rover is currently in NC and was found in NC. I =
am
the 4th owner in this state, but I can't locate any information in NC on =
a
BEACH LR. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

     Also, I am trying to organize a club for LR's in NC to be called =
the
North Carolina Land Rover Owners Association. Out of 5 members so far, 4 =
of
us recently took 4 rovers to a British Car Show in Statesville, NC.  We =
want
to do more to include weekend excursions and trail rides in nearby =
National
Parks. If anyone is interested e-mail me direct-@-    =
apurs@worldnet.att.net

Thanks in advance.

Andy Purser
1973 SIII 88" Pickup

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:52:24 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Temperature Gauge on Disco

        I have noticed that my 3-week-old Disco's temperature guage never
registers higher than then minimum.  I mean it doesn't ever move from where
it is in the morning when I start it cold.  Is this normal?  I drove from
home (Palo Alto, CA) to Point Reyes National Seashore yesterday, and it
still didn't register any temp. change.  I guess the radiator does contain a
lot of water, and the Northern California coast is a bit cooler than the
Sahara, but I think this is a bit odd.  Do other Disco owners have the
gauges that register temperature changes?

Chris

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 22:57:28 MST
From: ROB MODICA <rmodica@east.pima.edu>
Subject: LROI price for USA

Dixon writes
--
        There is Land Rover Owner, a British magazine at 57 quid a year
        (new price for North America, a 20BP drop), Land Rover World
        magazine at 40.80 quid a year.

I just received my renewal letter from Land Rover Owner dated 30 April and the
one year price was 71 quid!!!  What gives?  Is that a club membership or a
special for Canada?  Where did you get the 57 qiud price?

Rob Modica	'51 SI 80"	'60 SII 109' Safari
Tucson AZ	'94 Disco 5spd 	"Casper"

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Valves?    (oh, and what is this engine thing?)
Date: Mon, 20 May 96 9:39:26 BST

Oh, what an eventful weekend!

My problems weren't the carburettor at all. Well, it might need cleaning,
but it is by no means the main problem.

I'll explain the symptoms:

Uneven running gradually increasing over a period of weeks to jumpy running.
Lack of power.  (Trouble getting past 30 mph - got stopped by the police
on Saturday on the M25 for going too slow!)

Initially points were bad. Many people told me this - they were adjusted
yesterday. A bit better. Cleaned the spark plugs. Nos 1-3 had some fairly
heavy deposits (symptoms of how I've been driving it??), and No.4 was as
black as the ace of spades.  Checked sparks - all work.
Still firing on 3.   Compression is down slightly on No.4 (don't know
the figures, it was my brother that did it)

Suspect valves?  I know sod-all about taking engines apart, but tonight,
I'm going to take the rocker box off and have a look inside. Hopefully its
just a stuck valve. If not it sounds like all the possibilities are quite
serious (cylinder head off time).

Hints, tips, words of advice? What tools am I going to need?
Feeler gauges, valve compressor, guess a pressure gauge for good luck.

Oh, whilst testing the engine, I managed to back it into a nice big ditch
on a farm in Kent. Nice steep slope - didn't have the engine power, ditch on the left, you guess the rest. Had a tow from a tractor, but the rope snapped
- really bad position after that (1 wheel out, and resting the roof on 2 trees)
. Used a fork-lift truck and 2 tractors in the end.
Quite amusing after the event, and no doubt something I'll be reminded of
at every future clan gathering...   (yes, photos were taken but not by me)

Damage? Some greenery is still attached to the bottom of the diffs, another
small dent on the wing, a battered fuel tank (already leaking and out of
action), and my souvenir dent on the hard-top popped itself out!

Richard
(SIII 109 FFR + new MoT, more dents & the Rover Patent 3 Cylinder Engine.)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Weird power problems.
Date: Mon, 20 May 96 9:50:45 BST

> I hope someone out there has an idea on this. Recently I have taken my 
> 101 on longish motorway runs and I found that although initially it would 
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> linkages, no obvious problems. This obviously makes driving anything more 
> than short distances a problem.

I'm probably wrong (knowing sod-all about engines), but sounds a bit like the
early symptoms of my current problem. I was suspecting the carburettor, and I
have a new fuel pump, and my points were re-adjusted, but I'm currently
firing on 3 cylinders   - valve trouble???  :-(
Originally uneven running, the running is currently very jumpy.
Also, the problem developed over probably about 2 months.

Richard
(SIII FFR 109 with the Rover Patent 3-Cylinder engine)

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:14:54 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Valves? (oh, and what is this engine thing?)

>Hints, tips, words of advice? What tools am I going to need?
>Feeler gauges, valve compressor, guess a pressure gauge for good luck.

Tried a new condenser? And/or coil?
Oh,and a set of casters on the roof if you're going to keep up *that*
behaviour:-)
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:24:26 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: RE:  fragile Defender radiator

>A recent job involved removing the front grille from the 90. While I had
access 
>to the radiator I decided to remove an accumulation of grass, using a very
soft 
>brush. To my horror the copper zig-zags between the horizontal water channels 
>simply collapsed at the first touch. They are so fragile that they could be 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Allan Smith
>St. Lucia

When we finally sold our old lab SIII the fins were completely gone from the
radiatiator; all that remained were the vertical tubes. It's a common
problem for cars on the island.
The lack of fins didn't seem to cause any problems, even when running
stationary, although it has to be said it rarely gets very hot here.

 Tom
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Thomas D.I. Stevenson                          gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Fouling Project
University Marine Biological Station,      Tel 01475 530581
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland.       Fax 01475 530601
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Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:33:16 +0100 (BST)
From: "T.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Problem with direction lights on my LR 88 D

>Unfortunately, direction lights do not work any more. After a complete 
>control of lights and dashboard, it seems to me that everything is OK. I 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Can someone give me more details on the place where should be this 
>blink-central and what kind of test I should do to find the bug ? 

The flasher unit is located behind the dash panel. It is usually a sort of
metal can with two or three spade terminals emerging from it. It should be
secured to the bulkhead with a little bracket, but can also be found hanging
loose in the mass of wiring.

 Tom
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Thomas D.I. Stevenson                          gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Fouling Project
University Marine Biological Station,      Tel 01475 530581
Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland.       Fax 01475 530601
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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Where is the frame number on SIII 109?
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:09:26 +0200 (METDST)

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